What they don't dwell on in the film is that the crowds stripped ad desecrated the helicopter crew's bodies and then dragged them, naked through the streets. CNN broadcast it. I was in the Current Operations command post at XVIII Airborne Corps HQ at Fort Bragg as all of this went down. I cannot tell you how utterly helpless and infuriated we all felt as we watched this happen to brothers-in-arms--and we could not do a damn thing. Can you imagine what the families felt? This explains why the Rangers and Delta guys were expending so much effort to recover any U.S. bodies before the Somalis got to them. I was not even on the ground in Somalia, but the scenes on CNN haunt me to this day. "No man left behind."
The surgeons were able to reattach the thumb for the soldier who was shot while carrying his rifle. They were also able to reattach the hand that Othic picked up after the truck was hit with the RPG for a different soldier.
Right I was gonna note that, he picked up the hand because he was gonna get it back to who it belonged to not to do anything ominousj or anyuthing like that.
19:25 remember "No Man Left Behind" Later when they are cutting the Black Hawk apart to get the bodies out it's taking too long so they decide to cut the bodies apart instead, still "No Man Left Behind"
None of the Humvees had any protection in 1992 other than a small shield for the roof gunner. Armored Humvees with bullet resistant windows and kevlar in the doors, floor, and roof weren't made until they were needed in Iraq in 2004.
The doors were supposed to be bullet resistant but weren't so muc as advertized. The shields for the gunners were available but not used. It could have been worse, they had planned to take the doors off so they could get in and out faster.
Hussein Mohamed Farrah, son of General Aidid, emigrated to the United States when he was 17 years old. Staying 16 years in the country, he eventually became a naturalized citizen and later a United States Marine who served in Somalia. Two days after his father's death, the Somali National Alliance declared Farrah as the new president, although he too was not internationally recognized.
There are a bunch of army ranges named after Shughart and Gordon they both posthumously received Medals of Honor-the first since Vietnam-for their heroic actions
I watched a podcast with a man named Tom Satterly on the 30th anniversary of this incident. He said a few days later men came to the gates with Rashad’s full of body parts. It was the crew of Super 6-4 and Delta Snipers Shugart And Gordon. They had been torn apart by the mob. He then stated to this day one of the wife’s of those men can’t use trash bags in her home. The thing he still can’t figure out is was it to say “oh look what we did” Or a way to say here’s your men please don’t seek vengeance.
Another interesting thing about this aided guy his son was a US Marine who was sent to fight his father. His father declared a ceasefire while his son was in country and it was peaceful once his unit was sent home on rotation fighting resumed. Then when Mohammad Farrah Aidid was killed the son took over the tribe in Somalia.
Actually all the African countries were already fighting and killing each other before the Europeans came. The fighting between clans and tribes has been going on for thousands of years now and some of them still to this day never ever seen a white person. The Europeans made it worse though.
The femoral artery/surgery scene makes my skin crawl every time because; the gore of it, the sorrow I feel for the young soldier dying,the medic who feels responsible,everyone else etc. Just gut-punching!
Another true story with a packed cast: "We Were Soldiers" (2002) *True Story* based on the book "We Were Soldiers Once . . . And Young" by reporter Joseph Galloway and Lieutenant General Hal Moore "Lone Survivor" (2013) *True Story* directed by Peter Berg "Patriots Day" (2016) *True Story* directed by Peter Berg "Deepwater Horizon" (2016) *True Story* directed by Peter Berg "Pain & Gain" (2013) *True Story* directed by Michael Bay
It was filmed in Morrocco! Mostly Casablanca and Rabat, which are both coastal cities. I visited in 2009. A few streets definitely popped out of my memory from the movie!
18:43 Keith Jones the little bird pilot, rescuing Daniel Busch, did the same thing back in the day's. I'm talking about the person you see in that scene. It's not an actor. That's the real army aviator. The army send him to support the filming, he was asked to portait himself and he did.
There were several factions in Mogadishu, Aidid's was the strongest at that time. Not everyone had radios and what they did have only worked moderately well because of all the buildings and radio traffic. It isn't shown innthe movie, but some of the confusion was caused by two different people giving directions to different crash sites. One was the main helicopter but the other was trying to send the convoy to Durant's crash site since they had no backup and were getting swarmed. Not many people seemed to have studied maps either. The man driving the Humv with Blackburn had studied the most and he was kind of the convoy navigator. Without him it was a bit harder to get around. The main problem was that most of the streets were too small for the Hummvs and the big trucks to maneuver in or even fit down. The Somalis were also very good at setting up roadblocks and doing it fast. This wasn't really shown in the movie but they were a problem.
Great movie, great reaction. If you like this movie and you haven’t yet watched Brian De Palma’s Casualties of War, I think you’d like it. Another all star cast. Michael J.Fox really stands out in this one. He surprised me. EDIT: hello from Manitoba ❤🇨🇦!!
So many famous faces in this movie, glorious shots,real grit, such a shame it's based on true events. Thanks again for another entertaining reaction....as if I'm watching with my third cousin and Auntie up north.☺️💚
They knew that the Somali gangs had the RPGs. What they didn't know was that Al Qaeda had very recently sent trainers to teach them to use the RPGs against helicopters. That came as a nasty surprise.
I have the impression that this should be a typical brawler. The "great" Americans come in helicopters, the Somalis are on drugs and are not opponents. We're back home for the baseball broadcast, there's hamburgers and salad. Well, I would say that it was all a huge mistake. RPG in masses, Assault rifles and other similar weapons, poor reconnaissance, completely unsuitable vehicles that could not be used to break through a barricade. I don't believe that a single American soldier would have made it back to the base if it hadn't been for the helicopters with their first-class crews. Where was a plan B in case the operation ran into massive difficulties? The completely pointless sacrifice of the Delta snipers with no hope of success. Sometimes you have to protect soldiers from themselves. The whole thing works well as a hero story (without any value) for those who who are sitting on the couch and have never been on such an assignment. When I saw the images of the desecration of the bodies of the two Deltas, I was absolutely horrified at what had led to it. For me, soldiers are people and not consumables. I'm glad that soldiers managed to get out of this hell. Presidents such as Clinton should be careful about ordering the withdrawal of heavy weapons, for example, if they have no idea what is going on. It is precisely for this assessment that there are specialists called military. You could see the value of amateur politicians.
what about the all the civilians they kill because of the soldiers fear and panic. they fought a people who have more experience and knowledge of a war, and they kidnap the wrong clan leaders.
1:35. Um what. Litterally about the worst situation you could referance. Mogadishu litterally used to be one of most desirerable and afluent places on Earth. The modern equivilent to getting oos and ahs going to Fiji or Bora Bora mixed with totally modern city. Hawaii's heyday. An idylic, desitination vacation or residence of comfort and luxury. And then the world's largest war happened and destroyed it a... nope. 35 years of being Italian (they bought the place, cash money, no war or violence), WW2, and then 20 years of being British, still pretty nice. What happens in 1960? Independance. Just over 3 years later and it's at war, and it's almost 30 years of escelation by factors and drawing in several contries coming in and out and cycles of being attacked/guerilla operations/cross border bandit raids/Civil Wars/man made AND incompetent famines/genocides BEFORE we get to 1992. Somalia and that region in general (area and the histories right before and after) might be the worst example of saying European or Western (or "foregin" really) influence was "bad" for a place.
Did you just not understand the point he was making? Outside powers came in and forced disparate tribes and ethnic groups together, then held them together with force. That never ends well.
@@lizd2943 And neither did you. Mogadishu, zooming out to "Somalia" and further to that paticular region (whatever you call it depending on your scaling and/or timeframes) wasn't shit forever. I only talk about "civilized behavior" past WW1 when more of the world than not decided on what acceptable, sociable, cizvilized behavior more or less meant. Past that, only a single solitary group of people have anything aproaching a reasonable clain to have never having blood on their hands in recorded history. Italty bought from a regional lord before that. Britan reached and controlled it in '41. Was is quasi controll/charged/guardiashiped after the war till 60. Before that if they weren't waring with everyone/neighbors, they were controlled by larger powers to the south or north who were doing it elsewhere. Point being, it was closer to Stone Age in both infrastructure and sensibility until the Italians imigrated and fairly rapidly modernized the country. Litterally 15 years later and it was one of the most opulent and sopshisticated cities on the planet attracting the elite of the world. There really aren't a ton of "good" examples in Africa. A bad point would be to bring up Congo, sure. Fine. A better point might be the fall of the Arab Golden age where the historical tables were flipped fairly breifly and most if not more of the "decent" ideals and important scientific and worldy discoverys florished and were celebrated originated in that region, but were talking about or more of a millennium depending on the dates you refer to and doesn't quite fit the time frame people are complaing about.
@@lizd2943 Litterally how? Recorded history -> 1877. War lord begs Italy for Protectarate status. -> 1905. Italy buys the land they've been protecting off another Warlord who won it in a war who got a far flung region that he doesn't have a connection to. 1919 -> Treaty of Versailles More of the world than not decideds this is how the world should behave. In the late 20's it's little more than just under a dozen farming villages and is opened to imigration, and by the mid 30's it's already a cosmotoliton metropolis full of European high societies. 65 years, spanning the pre-Industrial Revolution to modernity of regional stability, improvment and being caught up. Within 3 year's of running the show themselves, things are descending into chaos because of their support/ing of, what we now call terrorism in 4 neighboring border countries. In '69 the democratically elected lead is dead, constitution disolved, government disbanded, and went back to the tribal/regional waring they were up to previous for most of history. Like I said, Somalia might just be THE worst example to use bringing up "Europeon Colonialism". Africa ain't it. You need to go to the Pacific and Asia, bits of the Americas for that.
Very nice reaction movie.. As an Egyptian and African i can say that, for the records those actions were much more complicated that it has been shown in the movie, i were old enough to read and watch the news about the events in Somalia and what is going on with the UN and The World at that time. USA wanted something that couldn't ever found in Somalia and it just caused the death of so many of the solders. As it was Civil war indeed from the 80s but USA never wanted Adid because he is not consider one of guys that USA like very much and it will be much better to be outcasted from the picture. and for that the USA entered the civil war to eliminate him or capture him. This civil war was between the High Generals and their solders that the Somalian president outcasted them to gain control and power. And the UN played the dirty work with it's forces that they were distribute the food in the same zones that considered dangerous to capture the scenes of any forces trying to steal the food to control the food to his army and the lands under his control, so that it will be the reason to send UN forces to Somalia and gain some of the benefits from being there.
The American Empire never tires of meddling in other country's wars and making things worse in the end. The Empire needs to end and take care of their own country instead.
What they don't dwell on in the film is that the crowds stripped ad desecrated the helicopter crew's bodies and then dragged them, naked through the streets. CNN broadcast it. I was in the Current Operations command post at XVIII Airborne Corps HQ at Fort Bragg as all of this went down. I cannot tell you how utterly helpless and infuriated we all felt as we watched this happen to brothers-in-arms--and we could not do a damn thing. Can you imagine what the families felt? This explains why the Rangers and Delta guys were expending so much effort to recover any U.S. bodies before the Somalis got to them. I was not even on the ground in Somalia, but the scenes on CNN haunt me to this day. "No man left behind."
That's so heartbreaking!
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The surgeons were able to reattach the thumb for the soldier who was shot while carrying his rifle.
They were also able to reattach the hand that Othic picked up after the truck was hit with the RPG for a different soldier.
Right I was gonna note that, he picked up the hand because he was gonna get it back to who it belonged to not to do anything ominousj or anyuthing like that.
19:25 remember "No Man Left Behind"
Later when they are cutting the Black Hawk apart to get the bodies out it's taking too long so they decide to cut the bodies apart instead, still "No Man Left Behind"
You can blame the Europeans from 500 years ago, but at some point you have to start blaming people for their own actions.
"All we're missing is Pacino..."
He played the coffee machine.
Dunk-a-cino!
None of the Humvees had any protection in 1992 other than a small shield for the roof gunner. Armored Humvees with bullet resistant windows and kevlar in the doors, floor, and roof weren't made until they were needed in Iraq in 2004.
The doors were supposed to be bullet resistant but weren't so muc as advertized. The shields for the gunners were available but not used. It could have been worse, they had planned to take the doors off so they could get in and out faster.
Think of that young medic at 30:45. Only 19 years old. The responsibility in his hands. A teenager.
That was actually a Delta Force medic. There were several of them there.
He was a Delta medic and a Sergeant. He was defintly older than 19
"Who isn't in this movie?"
BEST COMMENT EVER!!!
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Chuck Norris. It would be over in 5 min
It’s an all star cast of actors in this one
Hussein Mohamed Farrah, son of General Aidid, emigrated to the United States when he was 17 years old. Staying 16 years in the country, he eventually became a naturalized citizen and later a United States Marine who served in Somalia. Two days after his father's death, the Somali National Alliance declared Farrah as the new president, although he too was not internationally recognized.
"Gordy's gone, man. I'll be outside. Good luck."
There are a bunch of army ranges named after Shughart and Gordon they both posthumously received Medals of Honor-the first since Vietnam-for their heroic actions
Great reaction! Near the beginning, you mentioned the Rwandan genocide. "Hotel Rwanda" could be worth a reaction, if you've not already seen it.
I'll 2nd that, Hotel Rwanda is a must; I'll also recommend Kingdom feat Jamie Fox
@@djkchur I third! Hotel Rwanda is one of the greatest films of the last few decades.
I watched a podcast with a man named Tom Satterly on the 30th anniversary of this incident. He said a few days later men came to the gates with Rashad’s full of body parts. It was the crew of Super 6-4 and Delta Snipers Shugart And Gordon. They had been torn apart by the mob. He then stated to this day one of the wife’s of those men can’t use trash bags in her home. The thing he still can’t figure out is was it to say “oh look what we did” Or a way to say here’s your men please don’t seek vengeance.
Another interesting thing about this aided guy his son was a US Marine who was sent to fight his father. His father declared a ceasefire while his son was in country and it was peaceful once his unit was sent home on rotation fighting resumed. Then when Mohammad Farrah Aidid was killed the son took over the tribe in Somalia.
Great music in this movie 🍿
Actually all the African countries were already fighting and killing each other before the Europeans came. The fighting between clans and tribes has been going on for thousands of years now and some of them still to this day never ever seen a white person. The Europeans made it worse though.
The femoral artery/surgery scene makes my skin crawl every time because; the gore of it, the sorrow I feel for the young soldier dying,the medic who feels responsible,everyone else etc. Just gut-punching!
Crazy disturbing and real , great Movie
Another true story with a packed cast:
"We Were Soldiers" (2002) *True Story* based on the book "We Were Soldiers Once . . . And Young" by reporter Joseph Galloway and Lieutenant General Hal Moore
"Lone Survivor" (2013) *True Story* directed by Peter Berg
"Patriots Day" (2016) *True Story* directed by Peter Berg
"Deepwater Horizon" (2016) *True Story* directed by Peter Berg
"Pain & Gain" (2013) *True Story* directed by Michael Bay
Amazing film. War is hell.
This was so sad, and reality of it! Rest in peace in all soldiers who was lost. I remember the news coverage about this.
Nicks mum knows how many random actors in any film 😂
Nick knows way more than I do! 😅
It was filmed in Morrocco! Mostly Casablanca and Rabat, which are both coastal cities. I visited in 2009. A few streets definitely popped out of my memory from the movie!
Shugart and Gordon are in the deck.
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This movie puts me on a rollercoaster of emotions. The acting is amazing.
Also, your mother always looks so lovely! 🙂
She does, doesn't she? 😁
Thank you! 😊❤
@@Jen-Mom You're welcome!
Nice sweater Nick!
Thanks! Mom and I bought a few shirts for the Vancouver Olympics in 2010.
18:43 Keith Jones the little bird pilot, rescuing Daniel Busch, did the same thing back in the day's. I'm talking about the person you see in that scene. It's not an actor. That's the real army aviator.
The army send him to support the filming, he was asked to portait himself and he did.
Love this movie! It’s fairly accurate to the real life events depicted. 🍻
I had such a weird reaction, I didn't see this until I'd played a lot of CoD MW2 and I could identify most guns by their sound.
There were several factions in Mogadishu, Aidid's was the strongest at that time.
Not everyone had radios and what they did have only worked moderately well because of all the buildings and radio traffic. It isn't shown innthe movie, but some of the confusion was caused by two different people giving directions to different crash sites. One was the main helicopter but the other was trying to send the convoy to Durant's crash site since they had no backup and were getting swarmed.
Not many people seemed to have studied maps either. The man driving the Humv with Blackburn had studied the most and he was kind of the convoy navigator. Without him it was a bit harder to get around. The main problem was that most of the streets were too small for the Hummvs and the big trucks to maneuver in or even fit down. The Somalis were also very good at setting up roadblocks and doing it fast. This wasn't really shown in the movie but they were a problem.
Great movie, great reaction. If you like this movie and you haven’t yet watched Brian De Palma’s Casualties of War, I think you’d like it. Another all star cast. Michael J.Fox really stands out in this one. He surprised me. EDIT: hello from Manitoba ❤🇨🇦!!
Hi! 😊❤🇨🇦
So many famous faces in this movie, glorious shots,real grit, such a shame it's based on true events.
Thanks again for another entertaining reaction....as if I'm watching with my third cousin and Auntie up north.☺️💚
Excelente👍
They knew that the Somali gangs had the RPGs. What they didn't know was that Al Qaeda had very recently sent trainers to teach them to use the RPGs against helicopters. That came as a nasty surprise.
All I can see when I look at Yurek is Scotty Smalls from Sandlot.
Fantastic movie... stacked Cast... top 10 "american" war movies.
I have the impression that this should be a typical brawler. The "great" Americans come in helicopters, the Somalis are on drugs and are not opponents.
We're back home for the baseball broadcast, there's hamburgers and salad. Well, I would say that it was all a huge mistake. RPG in masses, Assault rifles and other similar weapons, poor reconnaissance, completely unsuitable vehicles that could not be used to break through a barricade. I don't believe that a single American soldier would have made it back to the base if it hadn't been for the helicopters with their first-class crews. Where was a plan B in case the operation ran into massive difficulties? The completely pointless sacrifice of the Delta snipers with no hope of success. Sometimes you have to protect soldiers from themselves. The whole thing works well as a hero story (without any value) for those who who are sitting on the couch and have never been on such an assignment. When I saw the images of the desecration of the bodies of the two Deltas, I was absolutely horrified at what had led to it. For me, soldiers are people and not consumables. I'm glad that soldiers managed to get out of this hell. Presidents such as Clinton should be careful about ordering the withdrawal of heavy weapons, for example, if they have no idea what is going on. It is precisely for this assessment that there are specialists called military. You could see the value of amateur politicians.
what about the all the civilians they kill because of the soldiers fear and panic. they fought a people who have more experience and knowledge of a war, and they kidnap the wrong clan leaders.
Ewan MacGregor and Scotland not Wales lol
They were talking about Ioan Gruffudd...who is also in this film and, yes, is from Wales.
its 16:10 wide ....hahahah!" lttle bit small!" ....all people ;);); );)
00:30 Zimmer mit Z nicht mit S
Zimmer with a Z not with a S. Try it with TSimmer that will be closer to the correct pronunciation
1:35. Um what. Litterally about the worst situation you could referance. Mogadishu litterally used to be one of most desirerable and afluent places on Earth. The modern equivilent to getting oos and ahs going to Fiji or Bora Bora mixed with totally modern city. Hawaii's heyday. An idylic, desitination vacation or residence of comfort and luxury. And then the world's largest war happened and destroyed it a... nope. 35 years of being Italian (they bought the place, cash money, no war or violence), WW2, and then 20 years of being British, still pretty nice. What happens in 1960? Independance. Just over 3 years later and it's at war, and it's almost 30 years of escelation by factors and drawing in several contries coming in and out and cycles of being attacked/guerilla operations/cross border bandit raids/Civil Wars/man made AND incompetent famines/genocides BEFORE we get to 1992. Somalia and that region in general (area and the histories right before and after) might be the worst example of saying European or Western (or "foregin" really) influence was "bad" for a place.
They seem to be pretty much reflexively anti-western civilization...makes me kinda sad to see it.
Did you just not understand the point he was making? Outside powers came in and forced disparate tribes and ethnic groups together, then held them together with force. That never ends well.
@@lizd2943 And neither did you. Mogadishu, zooming out to "Somalia" and further to that paticular region (whatever you call it depending on your scaling and/or timeframes) wasn't shit forever. I only talk about "civilized behavior" past WW1 when more of the world than not decided on what acceptable, sociable, cizvilized behavior more or less meant. Past that, only a single solitary group of people have anything aproaching a reasonable clain to have never having blood on their hands in recorded history. Italty bought from a regional lord before that. Britan reached and controlled it in '41. Was is quasi controll/charged/guardiashiped after the war till 60. Before that if they weren't waring with everyone/neighbors, they were controlled by larger powers to the south or north who were doing it elsewhere. Point being, it was closer to Stone Age in both infrastructure and sensibility until the Italians imigrated and fairly rapidly modernized the country. Litterally 15 years later and it was one of the most opulent and sopshisticated cities on the planet attracting the elite of the world. There really aren't a ton of "good" examples in Africa. A bad point would be to bring up Congo, sure. Fine. A better point might be the fall of the Arab Golden age where the historical tables were flipped fairly breifly and most if not more of the "decent" ideals and important scientific and worldy discoverys florished and were celebrated originated in that region, but were talking about or more of a millennium depending on the dates you refer to and doesn't quite fit the time frame people are complaing about.
@@Zenon0K That's a nice wall of text but it rather sidesteps the point.
@@lizd2943 Litterally how? Recorded history -> 1877. War lord begs Italy for Protectarate status. -> 1905. Italy buys the land they've been protecting off another Warlord who won it in a war who got a far flung region that he doesn't have a connection to. 1919 -> Treaty of Versailles More of the world than not decideds this is how the world should behave. In the late 20's it's little more than just under a dozen farming villages and is opened to imigration, and by the mid 30's it's already a cosmotoliton metropolis full of European high societies. 65 years, spanning the pre-Industrial Revolution to modernity of regional stability, improvment and being caught up. Within 3 year's of running the show themselves, things are descending into chaos because of their support/ing of, what we now call terrorism in 4 neighboring border countries. In '69 the democratically elected lead is dead, constitution disolved, government disbanded, and went back to the tribal/regional waring they were up to previous for most of history. Like I said, Somalia might just be THE worst example to use bringing up "Europeon Colonialism". Africa ain't it. You need to go to the Pacific and Asia, bits of the Americas for that.
Very nice reaction movie..
As an Egyptian and African i can say that, for the records those actions were much more complicated that it has been shown in the movie, i were old enough to read and watch the news about the events in Somalia and what is going on with the UN and The World at that time.
USA wanted something that couldn't ever found in Somalia and it just caused the death of so many of the solders.
As it was Civil war indeed from the 80s but USA never wanted Adid because he is not consider one of guys that USA like very much and it will be much better to be outcasted from the picture.
and for that the USA entered the civil war to eliminate him or capture him.
This civil war was between the High Generals and their solders that the Somalian president outcasted them to gain control and power.
And the UN played the dirty work with it's forces that they were distribute the food in the same zones that considered dangerous to capture the scenes of any forces trying to steal the food to control the food to his army and the lands under his control, so that it will be the reason to send UN forces to Somalia and gain some of the benefits from being there.
The American Empire never tires of meddling in other country's wars and making things worse in the end. The Empire needs to end and take care of their own country instead.
In 2019 alone US gave $47 Billion to aid impoverished countries. So you say that should be cut off?
@@YakacrakamambA Absolutely. That money can go to free medical care and free college for American citizens.