More Of Warhammer 40K's Biggest Misconceptions DEBUNKED!
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2:58 Misconception 7
5:18 Misconception 6
10:18 Misconception 5
15:03 Misconception 4
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27:35 Misconception 1
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Heresy, heretic, blasphemy!
If you start a fundraiser for the rare xenos book, I'll totally throw in 20 bucks because I *know* you'll make content out of it.
That octopus with the barrel reminds me a lot of Storm Seeker. "BARREL O BARREL O BARREL OF GROG!"
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Obligatory down vote for pushing Sh1t: Mobile Cancer.
I think the trailer for Space Marine II did a good job of showing the awe and shock of a guardsman seeing an Astartes. When they land, he's just dumbfounded, mouth hanging open. I imagine it would be a lot like a WWI soldier about to get overrun and the Archangel Michael himself dropping down out of the sky to save you.
recently watched a short film from Serbia about the "Attack of the dead men", which was kinda that but in reverse ^^
@@Nerobyrne nah, that's just your average day for the Deathkorps of Krieg :P
@@Nerobyrne
OSOWEIC THEN AND AGAIN
ATTACK OF THE DEAD HUNDRED MEN
FACING THE LEAD ONCE AGAIN
HUNDRED MEN
HARGE AGAIN
DIE AGAIN
@@farkasmactavish Was literally listening to this earlier today 😂
Yes! That trailer gets that detail so right! I love it.
“…And of course, humanity and the Skaven” is going to be an under appreciated line. 😂
I laughed.
Empire and Bretonnia: 😢
Very clever 🤣
Had me cackling lol
Based PancreasNotWorka moment.
"No one has read all the lore."
Luetin09 :EXTERMINATOUS THE FLORIDA MAN!
I have now laughed at this comment 3 different times when scrolling through the comments. 😂😂😂
I can hear it in Leutin09's voice! Neat.
"No SANE human being can know everything there is to know about 40k." (At 34:22)
"Ah, carry on."
@@archapmangcmgfl.... Regenerate back
Lutein09 be like hold my citadel paint bruh...A war hammer chad if there ever was dropping lore bombs like abbadon on Sunday
The best way that I've heard the ratio of Astartes to Guard went like this:
If the Space Marines are the tip of the spear, then the Guard are the rest of the spearhead, the spear shaft, and the person holding it".
100% chance of this guy's next requisition order from the Departmento Munitorum being rejected for slandering them
I've also heard the following to explain the Astartes to Mechanicus to Militarum ratio:
Without the Space Marines, the Imperium would fall in a year;
Without the Mechanicus, it would fall in a month;
Without the Guard, it would fall in a day
20:56
Here's the excerpt for anyone curious. It's always crazy when 40k dips into real world history. It's from Dan Abnett's Pariah.
‘Let me show you this,’ he insisted, before I left. A trio of small, beige items came out of a cabinet and were laid out on a cloth. They had been white once, but age had darkened them like bone. Their surfaces were worn, but I could still make out the trace of silver on the engine bells, and the red markings along the fuselage.
‘Toys?’ I said.
He nodded.
‘Playthings. Models made for a child’s amusement.’
‘They are of weapon rockets? Missiles?’
‘Rockets,’ he said. ‘For spaceflight. Don’t look so surprised, Mamzel Raeside. The first steps from Terra were said to have been taken using chemical rockets.’
‘I am aware of history, sir, even though the detail of the oldest eras is lost in the mists. But really? Vehicles this crude?’
He smiled again.
‘I do not think they ever flew,’ he said. ‘I think these are simplified models of possible machines. A primitive idea of flight. But I show them to you because of their age. Your employer is very fond of the oldest things.’
‘How old?’ I asked.
‘It can only be estimated,’ he said. ‘They pre-date the ages of Strife and Technology. I think they come from the Pre-System Age, from the first millennium of the Age of Terra.’
‘What? Thirty-eight or thirty-nine thousand years ago?’
‘Perhaps. Vessels like this first took our species into the unknown,’ he said. ‘They first took us Blackwards. The family name behind this business comes from that outward urge.’
‘I think my employer will appreciate these,’ I said. ‘What price do you ask?’
‘I will write it down,’ he said.
‘And the markings on the side of the rocket ships,’ I asked. ‘The letters in red? What does C.C.C.P. mean?’
‘No one knows that,’ he said. ‘No one remembers any more.’
That's a good one. And absolutely amazing that those toys survived 39k years, and that there's still people that even remember that a Pre-System era even exist, when the Dark Age of Tech alone is practically myth and legend.
And in terms of language drift and how Gothic works compared to contemporary English (we hear them speak english but they should be speaking a very strange language, honestly), it's a minor miracle that they can recognize the letters on the side.
@Kalebfenoir it does make some sense since I can only assume they are both fairly well educated. The shop owner even said the shop's name can trace its history very far back. The beginning of space flight would have been a common subject with pictures. That being so widespread would have made it very likely to survive the test of time and be pieced back together with enough pieces.
@@KalebfenoirThat's why I want to believe that the "toy rockets" are actually highly accurate scale models, but the concept of spacecraft in 40k is so far removed from our own that they can only imagine these models as caricatures as opposed to actual representations.
As for "pre-system" era; for anyone knowledgeable enough, Terra being the birthplace of humanity is relatively common knowledge, couple that with the Imperial Creed's dogma that it's humanity's divine right to conquer the galaxy implies the fact that humanity didn't always inhabit the stars is an established concept. So at bare minimum a number of 40k humans would know that humanity was once confined to Holy Terra (aka "Age of Terra"), but the exact details of our initial expansion would be largely unknown.
As for recognizing the letters, almost all 40k art depicts humans using latin script (and to some extent greek script), as well as both roman and arabic numerals. So unless we interpret all these depictions simply as translations for the audience's convenience, we'll just have to assume that these writing and number systems have indeed survived the test of time to some degree.
@@Medved725I think you might forget how many wars Terra went through during the fall of the Dark Age of Technology. The fact there's literally ANYTHING left over from that period, let alone anything older, is amazing.
Also, think of how plastic degrades over time. These fragile little rocket toys, made of plastic and maybe bits of metal in typical 1970-80s style, are still there 39k years later. They must be as fragile as spun sugar. But the care that their owners have for them, to even manage to maintain the stickers and paint on the sides? Amazing.
I'm pretty sure the Gothic we read in games and on machines and stuff is 'translated' for our benefit. Gothic is supposed to have been this far-distant blend of current languages, so it might be a distorted mix of english, russian, chinese, japanese, spanish, and more... all run through a grinder and spit out the other end. Accents might still exist, because colony worlds might have have come from varied groups OR solo groups that wanted to 'preserve cultural identity', but Gothic itself is like what English is now; a hodgepodge of words and phrases taken from other languages to form one. Done for longer than current english has ever existed.
I dread the day when I read of someone in 40k who studies ancient languages, and brings up terms from OUR current internet culture, but without the background to understand them. LOL. I'll be laughing so hard and cringing when it's deliberately used improperly by the author through the character.
Like if 'Yeet' was revived as a term for throwing, but without knowledge of where it came from.
There's also the esteemed B-Dog Cawl speaking about The Three Ursines Law and Gul du Lac Zonality. They really know really really little of those ages past, like THAT Arkhan Land believing with all his might that monkeys had stingers in their tails.
In a novel, some Skaven accidentally dial up contact to an Eldar Craftworld via a Skryre device before recognising an Elvish tongue, they subsequently panicked and destroyed their device.
Elf tongue do have a specific texture and consistency. Ask Guilliman, allegedly
@@GarGhuulOr Teclis.
I'm sure I've read that Skaven travelling through gnawholes have accidently ended up in different universes, I've got a diarama idea for a load of skaven trying to steal a WW2 V2 rocket through a gnawhole in reality as some nazi solidiers run away in horror.
I don't believe you. This is another false lie.
@@maltheri9833 as opposed to true lie, like Guilliman's experience with an elf tongue
I've heard worst than numbrer 7: That the Warhammer Fantasy universe happens AFTER 40k.
No the Fantasy/Sigmar setting is essentially just the exact same IP but with a setting change, it’s essentially just an AU
@@Kahn101there were connections inbetween the two but i’m pretty sure they got retconned out
@@Cthulhuwarlord Things don't usually get retconned in the 40k universe. Not in the traditional sense anyways. They just kind of aren't mentioned again unless it becomes convenient.
@@vulkegthe connection to fantasy was actually Retconned one of the fee
Would make more sense since Slaanesh is born in 40K lore and exists in old world.
reading about the governance of the imperium itself for the first time also makes me realize that life in the imperium is very much depends on what planet you came from, from each planet in the imperium, imperium at large only requires you to pay your designated tithe and stay loyal, they don't give af about how you govern your own planet, imperium is so vast that conducting centralize rule from Terra is impossible, hell Imperium can't even enforce common currency throughout it's realm
you can either be born in a civilized planet where your life is valued, your administratum cares about you and your life is overall good, or you can be born on a knight world orfeudal world, where your life would be simple but pretty fulfilling, or you can be born in a soul grinder that is lower class of hive world or daily struggle for survival in a feral world, all are possible
Even on Hive worlds, situations are not always the same for everyone. On Alecto (the setting for the Warhammer Crime Serie), life is kinda similar to Night City in Cyberpunk. Lot of tech, the lower classes have access to amenities, bars and even clubs where peoples dance much like modern clubs...
But at the same time they are impoverished much like IRL lower classes, and the horror of servitors is so mundane nobody actually see them as anything but tools
But it's not to the point of grimderpness, yes lives are cheap and yes you can lose your life to some random gangers who wants your pocket money but the same is true IRL and the chances are still fairly low enough that it probably won't happen to you personally regardless.
I think I found one lie GW wants us to belive and that is "price increase"
Capitalism, son. Gotta up the profit margin on Annual report sheet somehow every year.
At this point, it's cheaper to get a 3D printer, get the material for a model, and 3D print it out than buying it off GW
@@oldtimegames96it’s insane how much they overcharge for minis lol
Yeah, 2k for just a Titan body (which does not include armaments and a bloody head). I would rather print my own than buy from greed workshop@@Cthulhuwarlord
@@Cthulhuwarlord I know bro. $2000 for just a titan's body. No head, no weapons, nothing. Just a body
I used to just see Salamanders as "the flamethrower guys". Then I started learning more and really vibed with their philosophy of sacrifice to protect the helpless and maintaining more of their humanity than other chapters. Now they're my favorite chapter!
Also, Brooks does a great job balancing the humor of orks with how terrifyingly brutal and destructive they can be.
I'm the only 40k fan in our house but my daughter (whose usual area of obsessive interest is Dr. Who) is nevertheless a Vulcan stan. As a Night Lords/Iron Warriors girly myself the arguments are legendary and we know no peace...
well thats you, the salamanders are memed as the ones with fire and who put civilians above everything else, thats what they are have you watched the tts? , the memes arent wrong
this video is such bs, who the hell even believed half of these? and then other half arent even correct
@@azuredystopia3751There is only war.
There was a time when Fantasy was part of the 40k universe. It didn't last long but there was a short story of a Space Marine (Kaldor Draigo) landing on the planet as well as a GSC finding it also. Currently the two are in completely different universes and the aforementioned stories were retconned.
A couple other people have mentioned this. You wouldn't happen to know the source of the story? I would love to read it and it would probably make for a good video.
@@weshammer You can actually read the connections in 1st and 2nd Edition of WFRP books.
The Flanderization of the Guard often comes to mind. Many think that recruitment is just giving your average Joe/Jane a Lasgun and Flak Armor and sending them out to the front lines, when in reality, Even rank and file Guardsmen are extremely well-trained and disciplined, with the numerous regiments and branches being highly specialized.
I believe that is often due to them often being shown dying en masse whenever they are displayed.
It’s probably because the regular fanbase only knows the existence of Cadians and Kriegers, because those are the two most mainstream ones portrayed in just every single 40k media. There are hundrends to thousands of different Guard regiments and Im not talking about JUST the Catachan, Tallarn Desert Rider, Vostroyan First Born, etc, there are so many other variations that it’s just crazy how under depicted they are. I guess GW sticked with Cadians being involved in literal everything, probably because they looked the coolest and the normal looking ones, or more like the ones we can relate to the most since they looked familiar, when compared to the Guard Regiments that looked like Commanche warriors, Aztecs and what not
I heard somewhere that the normal guardsman is the equivelant of Special Forces soldiers, feel free to correct me
@@hnafe6239Ah, this sentence only applies to some troops such as Catachan Krieg Cadia and Mordian, their training is the same or better than modern armies
4:44 pancreasnowork probably just had an aneurysm hearing that line XD
more like busted a nut
"No, book"
-Ultarman
I can't deny that image is really funny
i love that one lol and the one before it, "space book says no"@@ExtremeEnthusiast704
You're all living in lies, this setting is actually Warhammer 42k...
Doesn't the chronstrife muddy those waters?
41.99k 😂
Misconception: Alpharius is not dead. On Pluto, Dorn was fighting a legionnaire while a 5-man squad was dressed in those black suits' stagehands wear & doing SFX around them. When the fight was done, they told Dorn "Good Job" & just left.
”No sane person can learn everything there is to know about WH40” well good thing im crazy
I gotta say, I really liked the fact that when Omegan asked “you intend to keep me in the shadows?” Alpharius responds “or you me.” at first I thought he was doing it to save himself, but after admitting he could be the one in the shadows, it showed it truly was just a tactical idea.
The thing about Primaris Marines is that a lot of Space Marines players wanted GW to put out lore-accurate Space Marine models, but probably expected them to just be bigger and tougher Marines with their existing units intact (Tactical Squads, Devastator Squads, Assault Squads, etc.) and then learned that they wouldn't be able to use these new models in that same way, as GW had come up with a lore reason why the new Space Marines were bigger and stronger than their predecessors, effectively upending the entire faction.
The faction that I slept on the most was actually all of Chaos. I didn't think that demons and sorcery really had any place in a sci-fi setting, and all the legions just seemed grossly incompetent and non-threatening. For all of Abaddon's crowing about how he was this supreme leader anointed by all four gods of Chaos, he just lost time after time after time for 20 years of real time like the villain of a Saturday morning cartoon, and he and the Black Legion were portrayed as the greatest danger to the Imperium for so long without giving any real indication that he could conquer his way out of a wet paper bag.
It wasn't until my local gaming group started picking put Chaos gods and I was left with Slaanesh that I really began to look at the Emperor's Children as being anything more than pathetic layabouts addled by sex, drugs, and rock & roll. My opinion of them really changed when I read Fulgrim and suddenly found the legion tragic and compelling, and now I can't wait for them to get a new codex so that I can finally find out what they've been up to all this time.
Misconception 7:
There are way more hints and leads that implicate that WH Fantasy and 40k are connected.
It's just that GW had to split the Universe in 2 Franchises back then, because the Fantasy fans were afraid to be left behind and forgotten because of 40K. But GW retconned only some Lore, that linked them together, so some hints are still there.
1. There is some implication that the Slaan could be the Old Ones of 40k. In 40k they created the Orks, feature prominently in Necron history, and are mentioned in passing in Eldar mythology. In Fantasy, they (maybe?) arrived from beyond the stars and created all life on the planet.
They used to be part of the same universe, with the Warhammer Fantasy world being a place where the Old Ones did a lot of tests with genetic engineering and creating different races before they decided to make the Orcs and the Eldar. That's been ret-conned out however.
2. The liber chaotica is written from a fantasy perspective yet includes descriptions of chaos space marines. In that book, there’s two pages devoted to a vision someone had about “Armored giants wearing terryfing weapons of sound” and the pictures clearly showed Noise Marines
3. In some old Warhammer Fantasy stories, sorcerers, travelling through the Warp on Discs of Tzeentch caught glimpses of the W40K 'verse.
4. In the early editions, there were implications that the Chaos Wastes in the north of Fantasy’s world connected to somewhere in the WH40K
5. In the Game White Dwarf, The WD 100 includes the scenario "The Floating Gardens of Bahb-Elonn", which mentions that the Pygmies are the descendants of a crashed spaceship before the Slanns arrived on this world.
6. Realm of Chaos : The Lost and the Damned mentions that the Known World is a planet cut off from the rest of the Imperium due to important warp storms("The Warhammer World is bound by storms of magic so that it remains isolated form the other wolds of the human galaxy"). It also has some ambiguous mention of a scenario with a crashed spaceship, and another with "The Obsidian Crag", a mysterious place full of weird technology in the Chaos Wastes (obsidian is quite often associated to the Slanns). And of course one of the divine reward was to transport a Chaos band to and fro from the Known World and the galaxy.
7. The WD 108 contains a scenario about a warp gate linking the Known World to some random planet, which has unleashed an Ambull in some cave in the Empire.
8. The Star Boat, a novel by Stephen Baxter, has a Norse expedition to the Chaos Wastes to recover a Slann spaceship. Sadly it never got published.
The two Warhammer RPG supplements released on the internet, Realm of Sorcery and Realm of Divine Magic, by Ken Rolston, also tried to expand somewhat on the links between the two universes, but were unfortunately never published either.
9. After the 3rd edition of Warhammer and the 1st edition of 40k, those references sort of disappeared. Perhaps they did not know too much what to do with it (they couldn't really have the Imperium invade or whatnot), or maybe it was the change of staff (Andy Chambers usually said he doesn't like to reveal too much the inner workings of the universe back when he was the head honcho). A few still remained, such as technological objects popping up (like in the Albion campaign), identical demons in both universes and the description of a Thousand Son in some chaos scholar's book.
10. The Book "Realm of Chaos - Slaves to Darkness" linked the Worlds in 1988. Therefor the WH world lies in between some Worpstorm in the 40k Universe. But later GW did everything to break that Link again.
But with the reincarnation of the Squats (drinking space Dwarfs) maybe they reconnect with the WH world.
11. Albion campaign for Warhammer. When the campaign ended, each race were given extra magic weapons according to their number of victories. Several of these "magic" weapons are clearly from Warhammer 40k, including a flametrower, a powerfist and other stuff.
12.According to the old fluff the big hint that the warhammer world is in the eye of terror is Sigmar as for games workshops official policy of denying this. One thing is Sigmars "birth" was signalled by a comet. This was his cryo vat tank entering the atmosphere.
You don't need to jump through hoops to prove it with hints. GW outright stated multiple times in recent WDs that the settings are connected via the Warp, being part of a single universe. They even stated that that Slaanesh was born in 40K and moved to WHFB. I can hunt down the sources if you want.
@@WitcherCrowyes
Plus one of the books implies a Grey Knight visits the fantasy world.
@@TheLegPumpkin
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The images are from a 2018 june WD and a April 2023 WD
Alpharius' Primarch novel, as told by Omegon. :)
The fun thing about this is that the "unreliable narrator" is a stylistic divice that's more common than we might think in literature.
It was even used by Tolkien when writing "The Lord of the Rings".
So yeah this wouldn't be out of the ordinary, for literature or the Alpha legion's primarch(s) ^^
The emperor claiming ignorance regarding Omegon's existence doesn't mean much. I'm not saying that he was a creation of the emperor, just that the husk on the golden throne has never been a trustworthy source of information.
"I was here the whole time!" is such an Alpharius/Omegon move. But I love every Alpha Legion reveal, even the cheesy ones.
Ahh yes, Alpharius, my favorite loyalist primarch.
Alpharius, who is really omegon right now, or maybe still Alpharius, is my favourite loyalist primarch.
This is a lie. That was a lie.
Remember people, never get your knowledge from memes!
But Robot Gorillaman and Sexy Space Elf tho!!
Thats true
Exactly!!! Failbaddon is not canon and i will die on that hill.
Depends on what it is like all the political memes I’ve seen are way more reliable then any news channel on tv
You mean Exterminatus doesn’t happen hourly? Next you’ll tell me the Inquisition doesn’t keep score to see who can issue the most.
"...and a tasteful disregard for human life..."
The Astra Militarum in a nutshell - they are indeed nothing if not tasteful.
its missing the mention of sundering firepower the only complain
Wes really just summarised the mechanicus as "work smart, not hard"
The admech is a cult of Engineers who distrust scientists. That's how I see it.
They only operate on trusted, workable platforms. Might create new slightly different gadgets using what already exists, but they won't create entirely different prototypes of ground breaking tech on their own unless they discover that it was done in the past.
Realistically speaking I think the average techpriest is significantly smarter than the average person and peoples keeps underestimating them at their own risk.
I have a brother who works in coding. And if I have learned anything from him, it's the fact that entire field is probably only a few decades away from donning red robes and talking to the computer's machine spirit in a prayer written in binary.
i like that the primaris in some stories are treated as the "rookies" and the firstborn are instead the veterans on the battlefield, and how their arrogance is the source of severe punishment, and that they can be easily outclassed from seasoned soldiers despite all their upgrades.
7: It's heavily implied that fantasy and 40k are in the same multiverse, linked via the realm of chaos.
There's an example of the Skaven picking up eldar signals via their Far-Squeekers in the end times. Its also heavily implied that some Fantasy characters encountered Kaldor Draigo as a 'Silver Knight '. It's practically impossible for the two realities to meet outside of the depths of the warp. Whilst technically true that they are not in one universe, there are very tenuous links.
04:50 "The orcs and the orks"...and the orks and the orks and the orks, orks, orks, ORKS, ORKS, ORKS...
"Primaris is not replacing First Born"
*Then proceeds to explain how First Borns are turned into Primaris and all new marines are Primaris.*
Had they just gone "This is true scale marines in Mrk 10 armour" people wouldn't have thrown a fit.
In the Starwars Empire we have the same misconception of the Stormtroopers being the basic foot soldiers. That's one of the reasons why I like Solo. That movie displayed a regular battlefield situation after the replacement of the clone troopers.
"in the grim dark future ...everything sucks!" lol
The Emperor may not have made Omegon, but he did make 21 Primarchs.
The Prototype.
Primarch Zero.
The Angel.
13:50 Best Boy Pascall finally getting recognition he deserves and the game he is in also getting it.
"Primaris aren't replacing the old Marines!"
*Proceeds to explain how the Primaris Marines are replacing the old Marines*
ikr! I'm sitting here looking at my first-born models, which are being phased out in the rules, and thinking "I didn't know GW was going to stop by and help you guys cross the Rubicon Primaris."
They aren’t replacing them in a literal sense
"Fantasy and 40k isn't the same universe... They have the same Chaos Gods and races though" Kappa
Human and skaven, as the great man-god has tell-tell. 😂
"What are your thoughts on Primaris marines?"
Their bodies make a good base for true-scale Firstborns
"There isn't a single person alive who has read all off it".......
Somewhere Luetin is saying "hold me beer". Or more likely, "hold me tea"
YES! I thought Wh40k was Warhammer Fantasy in the future. Took me a while to realize that Wh40k is totally different
To be fair, old lore of both warhammer50k.and Warhammer Fantasy heavily implied that.
Isn t it true that the Chaos Gods are the same in both universes (kinda hard to ignore or deny that, looking at their names, lore and demons).
So, isn t it more correct to call them different universes (Warhammer fantasy and Warhammer AOS, who are clearly connected and Warhammer 40k) in the same setting, then two totally different franchises?? 🤔
@@davidjankraayveld7784Supposedly the Warp is shared between the two. It's one of the reason the End Times story about a 'Silver Knight' had people thinking it was an Astartes.
@@woaddragon The old lore didn't imply the old world was Ancient Terra. Rather, it was strongly hinted to exist somewhere in the 40k galaxy, cut off by warp storms. Certain "magical items" suspiciously looked like a power fist, chainsword, or boltpistol. It was also mentioned somewhere (citation needed), that Terra and the Old World were not the only planets with that particular configuration of continents, implying that either the Old Ones, the Eldar, or Humanity had a certain preference when terraforming planets to be habitable.
Everyone knows 2000 AD is past 40k
Not sure if this came from a meme or not, but I was under the impression that the Adeptus Mechanicus was just as...flexible...with following their own rules as many other branches of the Imperium are. That while, yes, the ban on active experimentation is present for the exact reasons Weshammer describes, that doesn't stop a techpriest from experimenting in secret and when they come up with something useful just claiming they found a hitherto unknown STC, and the rest of the Mechanicum just shrugging and going "Sure, okay, whatever."
Sort of ties in with the Flanderization of both the Mechanicus and the Imperium as a whole: yes, there's a lot of dogma and restrictive laws and a great number of people will try to enforce those laws to the detriment of Mankind, but there's also an equally large number of people who either know how to navigate the loopholes and use that to expedite things or who tell the stuffy enforcer "screw the rules, there's a crisis we have to stop!" Which is kind of a shame considering one of 40k's most beloved characters, Ciaphas Cain, is a master of both.
Majorkill is so pissed right now
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he always is. it's called "beein australian"
@@aschenbechermannmost Australians find him cringe cos we all know a guy like him and they're not exactly popular
I sense the machinations of The Hydra throughout this video
Fun fact: the tau were originally supposed to be the 40k version of the lizardmen. But one person at GW was super into anime...
Hmm maybe that's why we have the kroot now coming back and they are all frog and lizard like?
That makes sooo much sense!
Weebs ruining everything as usual
Factions that have been flanderized too much by the community? The Thunder Warriors. Practically everything the community knows about them is that they were genetically unstable, and that's now a defining trait that has gained mythical proportions.
I like the idea that the thunder warriors were built to be brutish, harsh, solely weapons of war. That the space marines were intended to be something more sophisticated, men who could think, lead and build something from the spoils of the reconquest. You see this in the Khan’s warrior poets, Aurelian’s pious devotees, Vulkan’s humane paladins, and the artists and artisans of the Phoenician.
@@Damien_N Yeah, but when we actually read anything involving the Thunder Warriors, the instability is at best just a MacGuffin. It doesn't make them combat ineffective, it doesn't jeopardize the Emperor's cause, it's just something that motivates their actions like in The Outcast Dead or Dreams of Unity, or is mentioned in passing as concerning in Valdor: Birth of the Imperium. Or is completely absent, like in The Last Church. From a few scraps the community has extrapolated that they were like extra psychotic mentally challenged post-heresy World Eaters suffering from the Red Thirst.
@@Dimetropteryx irl genetic instability should lead to some serious health issues and definitely cancers. I always thought that they were unable to live long enough or healthy enough for space wars
Please correct me if possible
@@nolanbaker2360 You're not wrong, but the Imperium uses pretty much everything and everyone. Unaugmented humans, Ogryns, servitors etc, it doesn't care about who it drops in the meat grinder.
"In the Grim, Dark Future...everything sucks!"😅
I like to believe that Alpharius and Omegon are indeed one soul. And that their special warp power is to "split up" amongst their sons. If Alpharius dies (and he did die), his soul just takes over one of their sons and turn him into a primarch. Kinda like that Emperor's Children swordmaster, Lucius when he gets defeated. Thus Alpharius Omegon cannot die unless both of them dies at the same time. And that why all their legionnaires state "I am Alpharius" ... cos they literally are. No reference for this... just my brainstorming xD
Something that does irriate me is that, Raven Guard are displayed as My Chemical Romance fans who are all emos, yes im aware that Corax said "Nevermore" as he left, which is a Edgar Allen Poe reference, yes I'm aware they have black hair, but that doesn't actually explain what the Raven Guard get up to or how they do things
The night lords are more emo than the Raven Guard. The only thing they’re missing is the underage suicide
it's a legion of rambos. like from First Blood. I know I'm old, man, but the MCR raven guard jokes are absolutely ancient as well and I find it hard to believe that all those sweaty nerds (read: my people) from the early to mid 00s were people who also had not seen First Blood.
That has to be a completely insane thing to believe, no? Like the RG broods a lot, they are RAVEN GUARD. That's like, on the freaking tin lmao. But emo? Idk man, it speaks to a fundamental misunderstanding of that subculture to me, but what do I know. Closest thing to "Emo" in the setting are probably the Lamenters or the Blood Angels. Not the Raven Guard, whose characterization is always that of battle hardened guerilla fighters with severe issues with traumatic stress.
Edit: note the bit in First Blood when the cop messes with Rambo about his hair. I think it is similar to aformentioned nerds going all "LOL LOOK AT THE EMO SWOOSH" when joking about raven guard. it's probably important to note that these all come from a place of losing to a faction and wanting to make fun of them. It's funny that the only thing people can really make fun of RG for is the hair lol, and everyone always just puts beaky helms on em anyway.
No one can tell what we're doing because we're stealthy😂😂😂😂
Also..WE LISTEN TO TYPE O NEGATIVE WHEN WE ARE PURGING. We Leave THE MY CHEMICAL BRO-MANCE SHITE TO THE IRON HANDS😂😂😂😂
Tau as a whole was flanderized for me. Far sight and shadow sun contrast helped me understand the tau as both a whole and as individuals
"Humanity and the Skaven"
You're not wrong.
I believe i am alpharius
I play nids. I don't care enough about the biomass to have any misconceptions.
Honestly, the whole "A good chunk of the Impirium is not AS BAD as you think" seems to no longer be the case after the events of the Psychic Awakening.
Like, things were bad before but now even planets that were relatively well off are now feeling the heat that was building up for 10K years. Hell even the Ultramar system thar was constantly advertised as the place where citizens have some of the best lives in the Impirium and are super loyal is currently facing rebelions and revolts because after 2 Tyranid invasions and the plague wars people just cant take it anymore (and even before that slavery was still a thing there and if you want to consider the Calgar comics as canon the average life expectancy was less than 40 years).
Also, let us not forget that even if most worlds are considered "peaceful" or "civilized" and have a middle class in them getting by just fine it doesnt mean that life there is good. For example, Krieg was never invaded but that doesnt make life there any good.
Pluss, the overwelming population of humans lives in Hive Worlds. It doesnt really matter if for every 100 "nice" worlds you have one Hive World, because the Hive World is gonna have more people in it than all of them putt together (pluss hive Cities exist even in non Hive Worlds).
There is also the presence of the Ad Mech and the Ecclesiarchy and all the shenanigans they pull on the daily depending on how much control they have.
Living on a forge world is like living in a concentration camp. The ad mech are so so evil.
@@PhthaloGreenskin there is no baseline human on the forge world
5:00 I love that humanity is equivalent to the skaven lmao
- drown your enemy with numbers? Check
- using questionable tech? Check
- constant infighting over power? Check
And what number is the primarch that rules over humanity? That’s right , 13
I don't think I'm ever gonna get used to the imperial guard now being called astra militarum.
It stinks of 'change for copyright' reasons that G.W is infamous for.
I think they did the same with Eldar being changed to aeldari.
I once been told an outlandish fable, that Custodes have always been female.
Tbf, fantasy Tales of the Old World does have a student wizard being astral projected through a 40Kish scene just b4 he sacrificed his teacher's mind to gain more power w/o the "side effects" or "gifts."
that does line up with the idea that it's a parallel universe.
Could also be time travel, of course, but usually astral projection takes you to other spacial areas, not temporal ones.
@@Nerobyrne I think they had it in mind to be same universe in the beginning but later decided against it. I'm a big fan of the fantasy but finally started watching 40K content years ago because it was mainly what was available so I guess it makes sense they would just want them more separate due to fantasy fall off.
GW does play a part in the fladerization, but not because they want. Is a matter of logistics.
The lore exists to sell toys, there is not a problem with that, the problem is that, due to the primary objective of selling a toy, the presentation of faction cannot be too deep. The rulebooks and codex books are the primary source of written information for newcomers and they can only dedicate so much space of thos books to lore. Rulebooks try to show the most immediate situation for the galaxy, and having over 20 factions, just three of four pages to each are A LOT to a book that needs to fit in a box and be shiped to stores worldwide. Codex books have similar problems, because it´s only one faction, yes, but also includes lore about the units, characters and subfactions, which usually talks about their style to rage war and maybe two or three defining traits.
So, unless you want to expend hours upon hours of reading Black Library books, you will only have a very basic notion of the universe.
BUT ALSO, this are the problems of the english-speaking community. As for the spanish-speaking community, is far, FAR worse. Very few books are translated, and sometimes, those translations are garbage. The flanderization turns into the goddamn norm.
And let´s be honest: many a warhammer book is absolute trash.
But not REQUIEM INFERNAL!
Please Wes, you have to read Requiem Infernal!
I thought Khorne worshipers and World Eaters were bland ragers.
Then I read the Angron Primarch novel, and Angron became one of my most favorite characters in Warhammer, and I love World Eaters a lot more.
"Humanity and the Skaven" Ikik Claw is Belisarius Cawl confirmed
Wait a second...
Claw... Cawl...
Nah, they'll all be called primaris space marines in the future. Just like the Eldar are called the Edlari or whatever and the Imperial Guard is now the Astra Militarum.
GW ran into some legal trouble that things like, "Eldar", "Space Marine" and "Imperial Guard" are not distinct enough entities that they're easily trademarkable or copyrightable.
There is already another term for Space Marines, it is Astartes (or Adeptus Astartes). Primaris is not there for trademark reasons and is exactly as he described it and whether they be first born or primaris they are both referred to as Astartes in Black Library publications and other media.
@@nathanthom8176 Sure, but they didn't want to have to use adeptus astartes for everything (Astartes is actually not trademarkable or copyrightable because it's a Sumerian goddess or something like that). Hard to copyright stuff that's basically public domain.
But no, a few years back GW got on the bad end of some UK copyright reform and had to shore some things up, and if you can do that and sell new stuff, why wouldn't you?
@@geofff.3343 it isn't just Astartes though, it's Adeptus Astartes (Astarte is the Hellenic derived spelling of the goddess not Astartes, which is formed using Latin like the other Imperial faction names) and you specifically stated Astra Militarum which came about at exactly the same time as the change to Adeptus Astartes. It is also worth noting that Primaris is hardly even used as a descriptor in media other than when you specifically have first-born interacting with them and Astartes or Space Marines is used.
Hell go and look at how they have reduced the term primaris in the new Codex: Space Marines (notice it's still called that), it's not in any keywords any more and only mentioned in any character sheets of older models that have it on the box of the model and all new units they release do not have Primaris in the name of the model being sold (Infernus, Desolation Squads ect).
Sure maybe they intended at some point to have Primaris be some new trademarkable add on but if they did they have since given up on it.
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This Gigachad read about the pain glove and took it personally. ⚔️✊
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Getting a head start with 160 done already. I’m actually doing them and I’ll have a video showing it@@The_Ragequit_Cannon
Blanket statement about the Orks:
They are the worst case of Athlete’s Foot in the Milky Way Galaxy.
Sorry, I couldn’t resist the urge to make a bad joke today.
@@kevinfennel9030 That was a rash decision. lol
"Firstborn aren't being replaced by Primaris"
Goes on to explain the exact method by which Primaris replace firstborn
"I have a lot of respect for GW as a company"
Lmao
GW's publishing philosophy: "Knowledge is power. Hide it well."
18:20 "less collateral damage", not unless the marines malevolent can help it
I love alpharius and omegons' conversation so much. Like you can tell, it's one person having a conversation with himself.
Look, I'll die on the bright blue hill that is the Ultra Marines, but when you first exposure to 40K is Captain Titus, can you blame me?
My condolences, Titus existed in spite of his chapter and his own man betrayed him to the Inquisition.
@@korstmahler Yeah, but he's coming back, baby!
Titus just exemplifies a lot of that pre-heresy constant falsification that made the Smurfs so much fun. The whole Theoretical, Practical mindset.
Leandros was far too in love with the theoretical.
@@korstmahlernot really, the ultramarines aren’t all uptight like that
Easily one of my favorite flanderizations comes with the Raven Guard, as they're just the edgy, bird-obsessed stealthy marines to a lot of the community. However, people forget that Corvus Corax's teachings of the Trifold Path of Shadow has stealth as only one of the three main aspects of the Raven Guard; the other two being ambush and vigilance. And in viewing the Raven Guard's successor chapters, you can see where different chapters specialize in different paths and fight in vastly different ways.
The Raptors are masters of the Path of Vigilance through their use of practicality in warfare and their constant state of preparedness ensuring they're ready for anything. Meanwhile the Iron Ravens serve as masters of the Path of Ambush, attacking enemies in the least stealthy way imaginable: out-of-nowhere drop pod assaults to defeat the enemy quickly and suddenly through ambush.
What's interesting is that the Liber Chaotica shows that there are 40k factions operating in the Warhammer Fantasy world. Specifically listing their mechanical mounts, and showing chain swords in fantasy as cursed relic weapons. It's the only "official" piece of lore that shows anything from 40k manifesting in the fantasy world. Now, I'm fairly confident it's been ret-conned, but hey, still a neat bit of lore
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At 33:09 - is that your library, Wes? If so, that´s impressive!
Osp did a video called "planet of hats" where they explained that when worldbuilding you can create a stereotype for a group of people and have not a single character that's like that, which is how it is a lot in the real world, a group is faceless, but a person is not.
One of the most popular misconceptions I’ve seen is that Abbadon tried and failed to break through Cadia 12 times before (eventually) succeeding. You can say it’s a “Flandarization” by turning him into a cartoon villain that constantly fails but capturing Cadia was explicitly not the primary objective of most of the Black Crusades and some of those he did just outright win in terms of what he was attacking and what the goals were. It’s not a “cop out” either since those details have been around since 2E and also it’s a parallel with the historic Crusades since many of those also didn’t have the immediate objective of capturing Jerusalem even if their immediate objective was intended to aid in the eventual capture of Jerusalem
Fantasy being ancient earth has some interesting implications considering Tolkien mentioned his work was inspired by “long lost history”
That GW cares about their customers.
The 40k/Fantasy on one world idea never made sense to me. 40k has made it clear it uses the actual history of Earth in regards to Terra and the Emperor, and Earth doesn't have orks, lizard men, rat men, etc. living alongside humans, and fantasy has no record of the Emperor living within the Empire of Man.
And the idea of the entire galaxy being populated by one planet only for then humanity to forget all the other races exist and then "discover" them is weird.
Earth in the real world has Lizard People. :)
Chaos gets flanderized extremely hard too, and I don't think anyone gets flanderized harder than Slaanesh. She Who Thirsts is all about excess and stimulation; loud music, indulging in food, laziness, zealotry, and so many others fall into the things Slaanesh can and does snare people with, on top of serving as an example of the end state of hedonism in the Eldar's cautionary backstory.
But instead Slaanesh is reduced to 'sex lol', and drugs if you're lucky.
One of the more popular jokes is "How many tits / penises Slaanesh has", not "what type of music Slaanesh listens to", so yeah.
I can't really blame people when all Slaanesh gets for models are Boobimonsters. Where are the models that represent excess of gluttony? I can think of one model for Age of Sigmar and that's it. Slaanesh needs more variety in it's model design.
The funny on the first item concerning the disconnect over time of WarHammer Fantasy and WarHammer 40,000 is that the two games were marketed originally as the distant past and even more distant future in the same universe, as you said. Something about parrot beak Space Marine helmets (unrelated) and a means in getting the existing paying customers of WarHammer Fantasy to get into the new game and reduce the numbers of soft bound books and newer hard bound books with “WarHammer 40,000 Rogue Trader.” Games Workshop didn’t have quite the writing staff in those earlier days that they do now.
I don’t fully remember why the Skaven did not make the leap into WarHammer 40,000, I want to say there was a dispute of some form with Citadel miniatures, but I could be wrong. Dwarves and Ogres became part of humanity in WH 40K, and part of that choice had to deal with the various species within the Orks. Again, this is going back to when Games Workshop would send out Addendums on a constant basis, and later published them in their monthly magazine.
I will say, I miss the old squad level, percentile dice game that was a mixture of Squad Leader and Twilight 2000, but then it was only Space Marines and Orks.
Yes, the Orks were a faction I wrote off because I was never a fan of the original minis, but after reading a few books, and borrowing a codex, they became a more entertaining faction (for me). Happily singing parodies of songs “Waaaah” or “What a Beautiful Waaaah” along with so many others in a match, priceless. This said, comedy Orks are just too much fun and are more my preference, especially when there are those Douglas Adams and Thomas Sharpe moments were there really is a bit more thought to them than just, “fightz?” (With puppy-dog eyes and a slowly tilting of the head to one side.)
The Tau and Kroot originally looked great, but man, any need for high damage or magical damage and you pretty much had to retreat with the greatest of quickness. The Necrons were another faction that didn’t function as well as the flavour text read.
It Is time brothers and sisters. 🌌
I'm legitimately so hopelessly addicted to the lore of 40k, I was originally a die hard loyalist Space Marine fanatic, but have since become a daughter of chaos, and I think almost every faction and race unbelievably fascinating and worth learning about ~
nurgle makes that hard one😂
Honestly, I'm mostly the same. I vibe more with the Salamanders because of their care for human life and the fact that they're one of the few legions that can go home and see their loved ones, but when it comes to Chaos, I rock with most of their forces. The World Eaters are my people (blood for the blood god), but I feel bad for Mortarian and the Death Guard but ESPECIALLY the Thousand Sons. If there was no risk of death or being mind-fucked by the warp, daemons, or the fact that the entire legion are psykers, I'd give Magnus a hug. The only faction I know the least about is probably the Emperor's Children and Slaanesh's forces
A correction to #2. The distinction between first born and Primaris will indeed disappear, but they'll all be Primaris, not Space Marines, because the former is a copyrightable name and the latter is not.
In regards to the first misconception about 40k and Fantasy ... Back in the early days of the tabletop, Chaos Lords in Fantasy could be given a Bolter as a gift from the Chaos Gods. So they are sooorta connected. (but more multiversal than time-wise)
*Lost and the Damned (1990) . Page 77 under Cosmic Monoliths: "The Warhammer world is bound by storms of magic so that it remains isolated from the other worlds in the human galaxy. Elsewhere, the forces of the Imperium tenaciously fight the influences of chaos* No they were actually connected at one point.
the most amazing thing about RAID is that it still has enough paying players to fund ad campaigns ^^
I love my copy of the Liber Xenologis book the art work is truly incredible. I was very lucky to be able to get mine from my small store here in Maryland.
The way I've looked at Warhammer Fantasy and 40k is that its like the different Final Fantasy games. They share aspects (chocobos, currency etc) but they are completely separate universes.
about hive cities: it's completely stupid that with the technology to create spaceships and all the other high tech stuff in the imperium, somehow they still suffer from pollution and have to do so much manual labor and haven't resolved pop-density. they should have fusion reactors, machines that do nearly all the manual labor (you know, like we have today!), and have mega air-conditioning and resource recycling capabilities
Tbh the issue with Primaris marines is two-fold
The first and most important to me is that it’s making such a stark distinction between one era of 40k and another. GW already made it way harder to collect firstborn miniatures by discontinuing some kits, so if I wanna play a game in a specific conflict (say 2nd War of Armageddon or the Badab War) then it’s going to ruin my immersion if I see Primaris marines running around those conflicts. So unless GW plans to milk the Horus Heresy even further by adapting the Scouring, then we’re at the mercy of eBay prices and questionable 3rd party products
Secondly, I just don’t like the Primaris design. Too bland, too stocky, take up a lot of table space (more so than the upscaled CSM) and the lack of customisation that tactical squads had is… supremely lame. Doesn’t help that I dislike their design so much that it’s hard to enjoy space marines when the primaris are constantly plastered across everywhere. Easy to lose your enthusiasm if you prefer firstborn designs and there’s so little of it in the latest media
Ok, ramble over
the firstborn designs were so so much worse until recently tf you on?
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 Nope nuh uh. look at the heresy kits they released. mark shits through giggle armor>>>>>tacticus mark 69
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 I have a soft spot for MK7 power armour and nothing can top it for me
@@Hugme778 heresy kits
Not the original kits, the heresy kits are newer so they are better
Space marines needed a range refresh anyways might aswell improve the looks, you do realise all the models would of been replace with newer models anyways? Also old models are still playable, you can still play fine cast models, you can still play first born
Nothing about this is greedy or new, gw has been doing this for literal years
I agreed on most of your points. However, I do disagree about the Primaris. Sure the old guard can cross the rubicron and become Primaris, but there's even a quote from one of the blood angels who straight up claims that they are being phased out. Whether it's from a story or, far more likely, profit driven idea, Primaris will eventually replace most if not all of the original characters.
At that point all the characters will be living primaris and everione will stop calling them primaris, just astartes.
Is like the regular astartes just grew a foot and lets forget there was ever 2 kinds for a while.
@@leandrocastello309 I'm not really talking about the titles or physical changes, but moreso how all the beloved characters of the setting will vanish. Yes we'll get new ones, but people are resistant to the idea of moving on. It's like how people still compare the new Star Wars trilogy characters to the Original Trilogy characters. There's a distaste for losing the old characters for new.
@@ajax2985If you're talking about characters like Marneus Calgar and other chapter masters, it seems to me that they all became primaris marines. If you're talking about human characters, it's obvious that if they advance the timeline they're going to disappear
Whilst I agree somewhat that the Mechanicus dogma serves a purpose as a safe-guard, they are also rigid about it to the point it may be to their detriment. Bellisarius Cawl being regarded as a bordeline Heretek by the more dogmatic member for bending the rules being an example. Or in general when new improvements are made it needs to be carefully reframed as a rediscovery by hand-waving and misdirection to distract those ready to bring out the pitchforks and torches at the mere idea.
"Rrespect for Games Workshop, specifically for their ability to recognize the value in world building even though it doesnt ...."
That aged like Milk.
Except the only reason the Imperium is holding on is Cawls boatload of "heresy". The "we shouldn't invent new stuff" is just a way to keep the progress stuck. Dumb stuff, Rowboat Girlyman even calls them out on it.
My understanding with Primaris is it was an effort to scale and proportion correct SM but that made too much of a visual distance to be left without some kind of lore reason.
Itd make sense they'll stop distinguishing because the goal was to update.
Naw, how else do you think GW was going to get everyone who already had Space Marine armies to be forced to buy new Mini's for the new 'Primaris' Armies. Its a was to monetize existing factions to get people to buy something they already have and replace their existing armies at $40 a mini.
@@jamesmartin8005 no? first off your using usd which is just complete bs, use sterling because its a british company and the products obviously cost more in other countries
2nd off.. it was to fix them? like the old models were small n crappy, and the were all gonna get replaced anyways, what gw did was like "yknow what lets fix them by also increasing the sizes"
you realise you can still play the old marines just fine? you dont need to upgrade if you dont want too
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 Yeah Im sure they did it with all the good intention...
@@PoorManatee6197 they do this anyways and have been doing it for the past 50 years, are space marines metal?
I loved the outlook on the mechanicus and innovation. I have been following the lore for many years and it never clicked that it would have taken them until 50k to reinvent some of the things they were looking for
Total Guardsmen have been numbered in the QUADRILLIONS on some occasions. You just can't win with 40k.
So Ad mech is basically engineers with no scientists... haha. And like come on, technology always comes at a price, but that doesnt mean you shouldn't innovate. I disagree with Ad Mech's view, as you can do both. If we use this view point then we should've just tried to find Leonardo da vinci's burnt books for contraptions rather than finding them ourselves. That would slow down innovation significantly
The difference between 40k and our world is that there aren't four super Satans.
Imagine this: you get inspiration on how to improve a lasgun. You spend years of your life working on it and eventually get testing. You set the gun to fire on a target only for it to explode and to open a portal to the warp with a Lord Of Change stepping out. The Daemon reveals that it was he who gave you the inspiration and that it was all part of his master plan to invade your planet, after which he turns you into paste with his magic. Suddenly Innovation doesn't seem so safe.
The only reason why Tau, Necron and Leagues Of Votann get away with innovation is because either they have dim souls or none.
Unless your Cawl
@@numnaut1314 Cawl has been around for long enough to know far more precisely what not to mess with.
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"There is no blanket statement that you can make about the empirium in any way shape or form accurate"
Weshammer
Well actually sir you said it yourself, humanity in 40k is just the skaven
good lore books be as rare as an STC these days
for the Mechanicus I heard somwhere that they don´t invent because they have to worry to let in a demon that get´s attracted to it so they use what they have/found just because they can be sure that no demon was involved in creating that stuff