Who Will Be the Next Customer of the Embraer E2?
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E2 Business Case - 0:53
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Outro - 11:02
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The Embraer E2 is a stunning plane. Its slender frame, sweeping wingspan, and massive engines make it one of the most unique looking jets in the sky. But as it stands today, you’d be hard pressed to actually see one in person, since only 86 units have been built so far.
But that shouldn’t be the case for much longer. Since 2020, Embraer has doubled down on E2 production. And its backlog has grown by a whopping 40%. With the program gaining steam - and an arms race for new planes emerging - it begs the question: who will be the next customer of the Embraer E2? Let me explain…
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What do you think of the rudder bolt issue on the Max now? Will you be making a video on it?
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Nice video but pronunciation of Embraer sounds pretty funny and needs a little work 😉
It's flat without the over emphasis on "Em" and gap separating it into two words 👍
I flew on SAS Embraer 195 I've not been in a more comfortable and Quiet plan befor :)
Have you flown a380?
@@MusicalMemeologyA380 definitely beats that. But for single isle only the A-220 can compete.
No I've not Only flew Airbus 320 1 time 737 700 32 times 737 800 10 times Dash 8 Q400 2times dash 8 Q200 4times and Embraer 195 2 times@@MusicalMemeology
I flew a United E195 and felt the same
I flew the E2 190 with Widerø. Quiet and modern, but horrible horrible HORRIBLE legroom. Ryanair makes itself look like a premium carrier with that kind of legroom.
I have a fondness for Embraers. I hope the plane is a success for a long, long time.
Flew on KLM E195-E2 a few months ago and it was definitely one if not the most comfortable flight I have ever been on
LOT Polish Airlines is looking to order 50 regional airliners. They are a current EJet customer. They operate all the variants of EJets right now. They might order more than 50 planes since they have a goal to grow 50% more of there current fleet size .
Fully agree! I fly quite often with LOT, many European routes with their Embraers and it’s my favorite regional jet experience, I prefer them way more than Airbus A220 which I also often use on routes with Swiss and Air Baltic. I hope LOT will extend their fleet with newest E2s soon.
i have flown the Royal jordanian E195\E2 and its hands down the best plane i have ever flown it soo comfortable and quite better than the a320 neo and the b737 i have never expected this for a smaller jet maker like embraer
It isn't a smaller jet maker . Is the third biggest in the world only behind Boing and Airbus and they make all kind is jets including military ones.
IMO, after the recent merger, Hawaiian Airlines could be a new Embraer E2 Customer. While Hawaiian is not an history operator of the E-Jet, their new partner Alaska is, so there could be some shared group orders & training resources. A New Fleet of E195-E2 could serve as a suitable replacement for the venerable Boeing 717 used on Hawaiian's interisland services, with over a dozen more seats.
Are the PW GTF engines going to survive the high-frequency cycles?
@@AirShark95 I wouldn't know. However, if it would be a problem, the A220, the E2's Primary Competitor, also uses a P&W GTF & would also suffer similar consequences.
I’d hate to see the 717’s go, but its about damn time tbh
Contrary to your opening statement, I can consider myself extremely fortunate, as Porter Airlines flies the E195-E2 into CYYC daily. It is a beautiful aircraft and I love capturing it when planespotting.
I travelled every other week last year on KLMs or SAS E195 and it’s by far the most comfortable plane out there. Super quiet, spacious cabin, large windows, perfect air pressure… everything you want I a jet. Even prefer it over the A220
I think South African Airways and other regional African carriers could be a good candidate given their route networks and relationship with Brazil
Very true. These would be a great choice for South Africa
I would expect Lufthansa city to be one of the costumers for the E2
Lufthansa has already closed the deal with Airbus (tons of A220)
A220 is a beautiful plane, good choice Lufty @@joaomonteironeto7645
@@joaomonteironeto7645And Swiss (part of the Lufthansa group) already operate their A220-100s out of London City.
Lufthansa said it can still buy E2.
Another reason Saudia might buy the E2 is that there are a large number of secondary cities in Saudi that could be served by a smaller plane. Also, allow them to operate greater frequencies between major centres during off peak times. Another interesting candidate might be Ethiopian. Addis Adaba is a “hot and (very) high airport” so the extra thrust would be useful. Plus allow them to connect secondary cities in Africa to their hub.
Totally agree with your predictions. Here in Canada Porter bought 75 Brazilian (195 E2) made planes and not the Canadian made Bombardier C series (aka, A220). Why is that ? And they reserved 25 more E2 . They increased their flight routes by 220 % last year. According to Porter the fuel saving of these planes are better than want Embraer advertised .
I read the reason why Porter chose the E195-2.
1. They needed the planes immediately and it will take a few years if they went with A220.
2. Embraer gave Porter a deal they can't refuse, this is a bit of a speculation but given Embraer's desparate position, there might be an ounce of truth.
3. Porter's way of giving the middle finger to the Canadian/Ontario government for not allowing them to fly A220 jets out of Toronto's Billy Bishop airport. Perhaps this is just a tongue in cheek comment by many. I guess no one will be so childish as to decide buying planes based on giving the middle finger.
It’s political. They canceled their c-series order after political pressure. Bombardier, the pride of Quebec wasn’t allowed to survive after having the gall to build the best plane on earth… because Quebec is supposed to be a banana republic that needs English Canada to hold its hand… those Quebec folks can’t possibly do anything well… phook Canada
I see an E2 everyday where I am. Aurigny and G-NSEY, absolutely love it
The sad thing is US regional carriers are still ordering the ole E175s bc of the outdated scope clause agreements
Spicejet can be an E2 customer. The reason the airline is even surviving is because of it tries to fill all the seats in every flight and also it looks for offbeat airports in india where not many airlines fly into. For that reason it heavily relies on Q400 as of now and the E2 can be a good alternative.
United should buy 50 E2, combination of 190 and 195 variant and ditch max 9 and 10.
I'm betting Hawaiian. It's the perfect replacement for their 717s.
I strongly agree with this...
You have Alaska owning Horizon which operates the E175 making the E2-195 a strong canadate for replacing the 717s of Hawaiian. The maintenance and training for the aircraft is already "brand" established within Alaskan...
The entire experience of flying BA’s E190 from LCY is massively superior to fly A320/21 from LGW or LHR. Think I would happily pay 50% more for the ticket.
I’d be excited to fly the e195-e2 from lcy
i haven't been into aviation for like 4years or more but this man just makes my day, and gives me knowledge about aviation.
If the scope clause ever gets amended, there will be an Imediatamente huge order for the e2.
Gorgeous airplane
I can see Finnair getting E190-E2 for Norra subsidiary to replace their existing E190s when the time comes.
I think Hawaiian/Alaska will replace the 717's with the E2 195. It makes much more sense than using larger, more expensive 737's and Alaska does not want Airbus.
I remember seeing articles of Scoot planning to purchase E2. Being a budget airline, the more fuel efficient the aircraft is, the more profitable they get. And maybe the E2 will be use to fly to smaller airports in south east asia such as in Malaysia, Indonesia and the Phillipines.
not planning but purchased, 9 e2 is joining scoot fleet in March this year
Royal Jordanian is a E2 customer
Saudita Arabian are going to assemble the KC390 there. Maybe a big purchase from Saudia is on the horizon
With Helvetic Airways operating for Swiss, there is alraedy a service to LCY carried out by an E190E2. My suggestion is that their E195E2 as well as KLM's will follow up soon with the new certification. This will open up more capacities without stuffing more flights in the already tight flightplan, which is also limited by the operational opening hours of the airport.
i wish the US regionals could get the scope clauses adjusted to remove aircraft Gross Weight adjustments
Royal Jordanian has recently acquired the e-195-e2, so your hypothesis on the plane being popular in the middle east is starting to make sense
Seems like Hawaiian Airlines can use them as well if they wanted to replace their 717s
These aircraft are mad underrated, especially in looks
I just ordered 3 for myself. Hopefully I will get it sooner
Haahuaua
With the backlog for Airbus planes and Boeings current issues it’ll be interesting to see if 737 operators rake a hard look at Embraers.
The A220-100 is also certified to operate to fly in/out London City airport.
Correct and they are working on getting the 220-300 certified as well
Nice video! Makes total sense. I haven't flown the E2 yet but plan on flying on Porter Airlines to give their no middle economy seat service a shot!
I would like to see Southwest Airlines order the Embrear 195 E2. Southwest Airlines could get a good discount from Embrear. Sure the training costs would be a little bit higher but it would be more fuel efficient than a Boeing 737 700 and could open new routes where there is not as much demand as a Boeing 737 700.
I think BA could do a lot to ease congestion at LHR with the E2. They could use it for more point to point routes (from MAN or EDI) to popular destinations in Europe. Smaller and highly efficient could help legacy carriers provide a network more similar to low-cost airlines while competing with service / loyalty schemes etc.
As someone who lives in London. I hope ur right about the BA + e2 + London City formula
I love that plane it looks so nice
A tough one for me. Both Boeing 737 series and Airbus A320 series are currently being overused in Indonesia, yet still struggling in terms of fulfilling the demands by departure times well. I believe now is Embraer's time to repair their brands by bringing their E2 into Indonesia and compete against Airbus A220, which had already arrived to Indonesia for flight demonstration, as well as COMAC ARJ21, which had been used by Transnusa.
COMAC has no legs. The only plus they have is a low price. Pay peanuts, you get monkeys
Yea, our neighbour startup Sky Airlines and Scoot had already bought one. So, maybe Wings? Or Citilink? Or a new startup airline please 🥺
Heck that's such a hot paint job it could be a bit of decor at a psytrance festival AHHH i love it
A plane built with excellence got to be everywhere. Go Embraer!
for british airways to fill all possible slots at london city, they would only need 10-20 E2 jets. That's not significant for Embraer. Something from Saudia (or an India airline!) who are both looking to expand their aviation industry rapidly and would place hundreds of orders would benefit Embraer a lot more.
I think Alaska airlines could also buy some
Any thoughts on Alaska Air Group taking on the E2 as a replacement to the Hawaiian 717's? Seeing as how they very likely won't follow the suit of both Delta and QantasLink with the A220, I feel like it would make significantly more sense than the 737 MAX 7 on those thin island hopping routes; especially since they already operate E-jets through Horizon Air 🤔🤔
Coby, I love your channel man. Always very objective and news updated. Cheers.
Any high density market with emphasis on primarily wide body service would be a prime candidate. Especially locations with multiple airports. I'm surprised the orient wasn't focused here as well. Airlines could turn aircraft more frequently using the E2, especially during non peak hours and then supplement with larger aircraft in high demand hours. This could be a win-win for many airlines.
I think you’re looking over the region who wants to fly every mission in a narrowbody jet: Latin America, specially South America. But neither LatAm nor Avianca, even COPA have shown interest on the a220. Avianca just duped all their smaller single aisle (ATR, a318, a319, MD-87) and a330s. I believe they are checking out the Azul model to see if the E2 is well-suited to do the job. Also take a look at Avianca, they are technically from Colombia, but with some planes still registered in Brazil. Maybe an Embraer plane could be bought without or reduced tariffs.
Hawaiian could get the E2, being similarly sized to their aging 717s. If the merger with Alaska is green lit, then they could also benefit from Horizon Air's existing Embraer technicians and what not (to an extent though, since Horizon has E175s and not the new E2). Although that same argument could make them go to the 737 MAX
There is going to be a problem with the max how is it going to do the intense Hawaiian inter-island travel. You need to do a Southwest Airline service pattern since Leap-X is not designed for inter-island Hawaii travel. Keep running it the same route over and over Leap X will start to break down easily
Great video, thanks
Amazing analysis
My guess would be either Lufthansa or LOT
Yeah, looks nice!
Amazing video again Coby !
Good work!
Very cool video! Hope you get some rest! Thanks.
How come the first E190 is listed twice? Probably the 2,300 nautical-mile range goes to the E195...
In both Saudia and BA case, Airbus A220-300 or even A220-500 seems to be better choice than Embraer E2-195. The A220 is more expensive than the E2 but more flexible with longer range and more seats. A220 has most merits of E2.
JetBlue might benefit.
Seems certainly an good option for BA, you did miss another London Airport (London Southend SEN) before Covid had flights by Easyjet, Ryanair, Flybe , Loganair, unfortunately only Easyjet have returned with limited services, but hopefully one day more carriers will return.
I'm actually thinking maybe United will be one of the next customer's of the E2s because they are operating alot of E jets wich they might want to swap with something more fuel efficient
London City has a 5.5 degree glideslope, that's why it's so challenging.
I’ve been flying on Saudia for a while now and I can say that the A320’s and A321’s they currently deploy for domestic use are almost always full. They’ve even started upgrading a lot of domestic A320 routes to A330R’s because of such high demand. However, this only applies when you’re traveling from a big city like Jeddah or Riyadh to smaller cities within Saudi. The only way I can see the E2 operating efficiently in Saudia’s fleet is if it’s used only between these smaller cities, and not to/from major cities. This was actually how they used the E170 way back then. But overall I do agree with your take. Keep up the good work 👍🏼
Awesome plane.
I have had a couple flights on the 175 e1 I was very impressed. I thought as with a lot of smaller airplanes that they would be pretty rough with turbulance. That was not the case even though we were flying over the rocky mountains. I started buying stock in the company because of my experience.
Cody all you said about the Middle East operation was true, but the best killer factor right now for this E2 or generally planes with the new Prat and Whitney engine it the engine itself. The airline I work for has delayed the E2 because of engines. If you see in India a320 with PnW engine are grounded and no solution found til now. Even the A220 in region are struggling with engine. I have meet with couple of captains who flew A320 PnW told me engine shutdown in mid cruise or some in climb phase.
Prat and Whitney doesn’t have a solution for it. I wish they had because those engine are very fuel efficient even compared to Leap 1A/B engines.
I was going to say this! The engine option alone is more than enough for middle east carriers to avoid the aircraft. They would prefer reliable CFM engines.
Wow
The E2 high thrust seems like a baby 757. It will find niches in hot/high and restricted airports.
O Embraer 195 E2 é sem dúvidas, o melhor avião da sua categoria
❤❤embraer 195é 2 é um avião muito refinado parece que voam de terno eles passam aqui perto de casa saindo o aeroporto Internacional de confins máquina top luxo
1. *Stansted
2. I like the use case for JetBlue. I don't buy that the A220 will be the successor to the aging 190s. They need something for thinner routes.
Apparently, it will only be a matter of time before the even larger A220-300 will be able to fly into London City.
The E195-E2 is much larger than the a220, 737 and a320
@@LucasSanRFS I was using larger in the sense of passenger capacity.
nice Video
E2 is a good regional jet while A220 with 1000NM range advantage can be a lot more than that. For modern long and "thin" route aviation it's not really a competition. For regional flights the difference is less
❤❤vos embraer almentar a capacidade de combustível do 195é 2 ai, vai acabar esse chove e não molha do 195 é 2 com o a220😂😂😂
Skywest might be a great contender. Side note, I personally love the look of this aircraft, in some ways it give me 757 vibes and I'm sure this is a pilot's plane with the performance numbers.
SkyWest had ordered the E175-E2, but then they cancelled the order because of scope clause restrictions on MTOW
@@EuropeanRailfanAlt Interesting. I don't suppose you know why the weight restrictions exist?
@@wizardmix Yeah I have no idea
@@wizardmix It's part of what defines the difference between regional service and mainline service as it relates to contracts with the pilots' union.
I'm not sold on Saudia... but BA seems like a good idea.
I believe that Hawaiian Airlines will be a customer of the E2 in the coming years. With HA being acquired by Alaska Group, who owns Horizon Air (which operates a good amount of E-170/175 jets), this would make the replacement of the B717 with eh E2 more feasible. It would make training, maintenance, etc. easier, not to mention the E2 is of a similar size and obtains a similar capacity to the 717. Sure, they could deploy the B737 Max 7, but its economics/operating principles don’t really make sense for Hawaiian. It’s also a decently larger aircraft. They could also go with the A220, but I find this unlikely as Hawaiian will likely be retiring its fleet of Airbus jets (A330-200’s and A321neo’s), much like Alaska did.
What about Hawaiian/Alaska? They need replacements for the aging 717's.
Would make sense for SkyWest to pick these up since they already use Embraer jets for regional American, united, and Alaska air flights.
They can't. The scope clause won't allow it.
@@krazykris9396 Custormers and companies seriously need to start pressuring for a revision of the scope clause.
It's hurting the profitability and progress of flight service in the US due to arbitrary political decisions. American customers deserve better.
And I'm sure if there's a will, there's a way. It's just a matter of adjusting policies.
I wonder if this can handle the inter island running in Hawaii which is very intensive cycles
They are perfect for the job. Look at Binter Canarias
Beat livery around!
I've been on it! 😏
Awesome 😎
I've flown London city many times and makes sense, just not BA as LCY is their only use. Swiss, Italia and others use "city" & service many other small airport so they would have flex in using them. Fly to/from Milan(Linate), Lugano, Orly, Warsaw, Oslo etc and on to the other Zurich "city" & Munich Rome or hubs like Amsterdam. BAE 146 4 engine "jumbolino" used to be popular for its short runway abilities.
Hopefully Alaska, they need to get rid of all that Boeing garbage!!!!!!!!!!
737 MAX is actually the risky option.
I think BA is way more likely to buy the E2, with its Cityflyer fleet full of E190s that are all at least 10 years old. Saudi Arabia is aiming for like 100 million tourists by 2035 or whatever, if they really succeed, their airlines will need big planes even for regional flying, 737 or A320 at the smallest. Also Coby, I look forward to potentially meeting you at the Singapore Airshow! I'm an aerospace student in Singapore and my institution my be able to organise a day out to the airshow for us.
The E2's yoke is giving me Concorde vibes
good
Great video as always. I can really tell the difference now that you've gone full time. Just a minor note, and sorry to be a pedant, but it's Stansted Airport, not Standsted.
3:23 should there be two E190 bars at the bottom? or one E195 and E190?
What about QantasLink (even though they have an A220 and many more coming), Alliance or Airnorth
I think Republic airways, because they have one of the worlds largest fleets of only Embraer planes, could probably buy a lot to help serve more US routes
But that darn scope clause
They desperately want the E175-E2, like all the other US regionals, but the plane's weight falls outside the US regional airlines scope clause, making it economically unattractive. I believe they previously intended to buy 100 of them, before dialing back. Embraer just needs to lighten the plane or weight for a scope clause revision in the next few years to allow the E175 E2 to comply. But if it does comply, all the US regionals will get their chequebooks out and the E2 order book will triple overnight. Heck, they are still ordering new E175s to meet their fleet needs.
would be interesting to fly on the E2. I abhor the Delta Connection (Republic) E175s so it can only get better LOL
For London City, you could have also mentioned having that short runway the E2 would be better than the A220 having a shorter takeoff performance. Both having a similar bypass ratio whilst the E2 is a lighter aircraft, it would have a shorter takeoff and landing distance, leaving it as the better option for their runway.
A220-100 has maximum takeoff weight of 63t, vs 61t for the 195-E2. For 2t of difference, A220-100 can flight 135pax (vs 132) to 3450nm (vs 2600nm). This difference in performance is explained by the use of more modern materials (composite wings and Al-Li mainframe) and a more aerodynamic design. Major airlines can then negotiate a price when they combine their A220 purchases with other models. They also know that buying A220s opens the door to the extended A220-500 model.
195-E2s remain an attractive purchase for low-cost or ultra-low-cost companies looking for short- and medium-term, low-cost solutions.
@@beuvue I think you missed the point entirely. The A220 is not approved to operate from London City as it is a larger aircraft than the E2.
@@aydoyt Google "Swissair A220 London City"
@@aydoyt The A220-100 is approved and Airbus are currently working on getting the -300 certified for LCY operation
From manufactures data.
A220-100: takeoff field length 1219m (1463m max), landing field length 1356m (1387m max).
175-E2 takeoff 1370m, landing 1350m.
195-E2 takeoff 1520m, landing 1420m.
I think worth mentioning as a possible reason why airlines have been apprehensive about the E2 is the P&W GTF reliability issues. This specifically with the Gulf carriers as the degradation is increased in dusty environments. Just thought it’s worth a mention as there is no other engine option for potential buyers.
Same thing for the A220, at least for now as there's not a second engine option for the A220.
BA seems like a good bet indeed.
Would love to know your opinion why royal Jordanian bought the e2 new airplane?
Other smaller airlines who are unable to secure 737 or A320 slots might go for the E2 due to its relatively smaller backlog, maybe?
I feel luck bc where i live i have the chance to see one everyday
3:54 Why did he pronounce Saudia like that?