The Framework Laptop - An Honest Review.
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- After over a week working on the Framework DIY Laptop, I'm going to share what I learned.
Framework Website - bit.ly/frameworkDIY
Special Thanks to Wayfinder Coffee Co. for allowing me to film in their café. If ever in Colorado Springs be sure to check them out. - wayfindercoffee.com/
Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
1:35 - Ordering / Customer Service Experience
3:16 - Framework Laptop Models
3:50 - Setup / Assembly Process
4:30 - Design and Form Factor
4:51 - Build Quality
5:08 - The Display
6:36 - Camera and Microphone
7:26 - The Keyboard
7:38 - The Touchpad
8:02 - Fingerprint Reader
8:08 - The Speakers / Headphone Jack
8:53 - Expandable IO / "Thunderbolt 4" Ports
10:08 - Overheating Expansion
10:22 - Developer Program
10:38 - Battery Life
11:23 - WIFI / Bluetooth
11:30 - Is Intel Tiger Lake the Right CPU?
13:42 - Performance Benchmarks
14:29 - Are CPU Temps Too High?
15:24 - Fan and Fan Noise
15:46 - Pros and Cons
17:24 - Great Product?
18:11 - Who is the Target Customer?
19:38 - No Dedicated Graphics?
20:35 - Off to a Good Start.
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I misspoke at 9:30 and said 40 gigabytes per second when I meant 40 gigabit per second. That's like a level 8 mistake.
Ahh, Geek joke, that's worse than your typical Dad jokes.
more like a level 1000 mistake😅
Double pun... A byte is 8 times a bit and the scammer technician reference. I AM A MICROSOFT LEVEL 12 TECHNICIAN!!!
how dare you?
And this was an appropriately level 9 apology. Kudos!
Even though I really like the performance of Apple's M1 and am deep in the "ecosystem", I'm so incredibly tempted to get the Framework instead of the upcoming new MacBooks just to support them.
Do it! 😁
Please do! Am doing the same.
I am betting the M1 will suck less power than an intel processor. If you are considering solar and off grid then this might be a consideration. I just like to NOT waste power on anything at home if I can turn it off or down. I am the guy checking the power usage on the Electrical Company website every day.
@@moviestudioland Actually you can lock the Intel CPU to a 15W TDP while the M1 has no user configuration and will operate up to 40 watts at load. The M1 has better performance par watt but the 1165G7 can use a lot less power thanks to user set power levels.
@@ElevatedSystems This really isn't true at all
The M1 does not and cannot use 40W even at max load. The entire M1 mini only draws 39W under max load and that includes the inefficiencies in it's power supply, the RAM, and other system components.
The maximum TDP of the M1 is thought to be about 15W under maximum CPU load, maybe a little more if a GPU load is applied as well. This is equal to the Intel with power tuning. When you factor in that the M1 completes tasks faster and uses less power at idle it will overall use significantly less power than the Intel system. You also have to factor in that the Framework laptop has to spend more energy than an M1 laptop on cooling, RAM, and IO. This is especially true given most systems spend the majority of there time at idle.
The MacBook Air doesn't have to spend any power on cooling since it doesn't even have a fan, which also effectively lowers it's TDP for prolonged workloads.
Which isn't to say that the Framework laptop isn't something you should support. It is a very good idea in and of itself. What it needs (and really all laptop PCs need) is better, more efficient processors. Ideally something as efficient and powerful as an M1 - or better. Luckily many companies are looking into making ARM processors for PCs and you can already buy Windows laptops with ARM Snapdragons and Linux laptops with cheaper ARM SoCs.
You can also further restrict the Intel CPU but it would effect performance and maybe even efficiency. Some CPUs actually use less power running short workloads at higher clockspeeds and then returning to idle more quickly than doing it slower and spending less time in idle.
I've ordered mine. First time that I am using such a new company's product. But I just had to support them because Framework's values are something I strongly believe in. I don't know what the future holds for the company, but based on the merits of this laptop alone, without future upgrades, I still want it for the upgrade-ability. I'm doing my part.
do they have presence in India?
No they are obly available in usa for now abd this guy seems to be from the US
@@samikjain5837 Canada
Just one correction. Even if it fails, the laptop is still more upgradeable and repairable than an Apple product and most laptop computers you can buy. The vast majority of it's parts are stuff you can buy from intel and other manufacturers and we know that some 3rd party ports will be made. At least temporarily.
So even if it fails, we can still upgrade and repair our PC much more than the other guys.
Totally agree. You can swap not only ram and ssd, but also whole motherboard to i7 with better boosts and more cashe. So - even CPU is upgradeable for most buyers (those with i5), even if Framework fails to deliver more options. And yes, other notebooks allow to swap motherboards, but these manipulations are way more complicated and can cause troubles.
Modular does not matter unless you CAN replace the motherboard or CPU board with upgraded CPU.
@@moviestudioland Still easier to repair though. And you can upgrade the RAM and SSD. If you didn't buy the highest spec model you could upgrade to the current top of the line motherboard, though that's not likely to be a cost effective upgrade.
For me, the fact that the keyboard is easy to replace is a big plus. It's not, for example, like the Inspiron 13 7368 I have, where you have to disassemble just about EVERYTHING to get to the keyboard so you can replace it. (The battery, heat pipe and fan, motherboard, I/O daughtercard, and power connector have to come out, and you have to remove the display.) In contrast, you can get to the keyboard on the Framework by just removing the top deck. (Lots of screws, but that's typical in a thin and light where the keyboard itself doesn't have a rigid baseplate and instead depends on the keyboard deck of the case for stiffness.) I'm notorious for wearing the things out; I've had to replace the keyboard in just about every laptop I have ever used as a daily driver.
@@moviestudioland you say that as if your hating on the product, but the issue is that you literally cannot source socketable mobile Cpus anymore. Even if you could, it would make the device thicker, which would kill the entire point of this product and all of its mass market appeal. Ideally, in 5 years they can have a "framework pro" which can be a bit thicker and have a socketable CPU, but having that as your one single product would kill them in an instant.
We won't really know that it will be truly upgradable until it's been out a while. So many technologies we take for granted today didn't exist 3-4 years ago. Mainstream portable laptops don't really benefit from marginal upgrades, so we have to see if you can actually keep the majority of this laptop intact in 4-5 years when you're ready for a serious performance boost. That said, repairability is a great thing to have in a laptop, and for DIY types and for businesses with IT departments, I think this could be wonderful. In the class of mainstream laptops, though, I don't really see why I would ever want this computer when Apple laptops are similarly priced, have good service options, tend to perform better, and can be sold at a very reasonable loss in 3 years. However, when Framework makes a gaming laptop, that's where things like upgradability will really start to matter, and that's where I'll be interested.
This is the one tech product released this year that I want to truly be successful.
Same here. This will be my next laptop.
Great video. That is a beautiful machine. I disagree slightly about the potential customer. I am not the “fixer upper” type of buyer, but following clear, detailed instructions is not a deal breaker if the project is worthwhile and occasional. This the type of organized, simple but quality product Apple buyers will purchase too.
Like I said it's not 100% the case but I'm glad to hear there may be a larger customer base for this laptop concept.
From the Framework forums, it feels like there are a decent number of Thinkpad users hoping to break free from Lenovo, but with increasing awareness of how we are destroying the planet, there may be more people who want something like this thinking that it's better for the environment. Whether it actually is better for the environment is up for debate, but I certainly don't like the idea that if something goes wrong with for example a macbook, you're often encouraged to basically junk the whole thing and get a new one, because even if it can be repaired, the cost of the repair is usually very high (or you've paid $300 for Applecare...). What Apple does with broken laptops I don't know, but I assume they are recycled somehow.
@@andyp123456 Apple can do better as far as repairability, but so can a lot of tech companies. My experience with Apple is they last a long time and are usually resold or passed down to a family member. As far as the environment goes, there are a lot of companies churning out cheap, disposable Chromebook type machines that have a lot more to answer for than Apple.
Maybe.... hopefully... there is also just the chance that you are kind of an example of a logical exception....
After all, you are also the type of consumer who would watch these kind of videos...
Of course, I think he went a little to far to say that only those who'd like to mess with or build their own PC would like this.
Instead, I'd think that this goes towards that group, along with those who support right to repair and people who like the idea of a repairable laptop that's still thin and good.
I'm likely to replace my 2012 MBP with one of these as I'm a principled kinda guy and Apple has really pissed me off with their modus operandi in recent years (on top of product quality dropping).. gonna be tough going back to a Windows OS though..
I'd still really like an AMD motherboard option to pop into my machine later, but Intel Tiger Lake is by no means a dealbreaker. Great video! Waiting for mine in Batch 3
It's still in the early phase
If they take off, there might be an AMD MoBo option
With Alder Lake and DDR5 just around the corner, it's difficult to support this product. These motherboards are going to age very poorly.
@@RandomPlaceHolderName Just replace the motherboard and ram then, it was literally made to do that.
@@totallynotbluu Wasteful imo. As a premium device, I doubt there will be much of a market for 4c/8t used motherboards in 2 years time. Whereas if you were to purchase an interim 6-8 core U variant AMD machine, it could easily find a new home in 2 years time.
@@RandomPlaceHolderName Could imagine a 2nd hand market developing around those boards, instead ending in expensive, energy intensive recycling centers or on a landfill.
This laptop seems like an amazing first product for a company. Framework is definitely at the top of my list when my current laptop croaks.
3:57 For anyone watching this later on, Framework mentioned in a blog post that the Wi-Fi card will be pre-installed on newer DIY Edition batches, 8th batch and later if I recall correctly.
10:08 Framework also mentioned in the same blog post that they're adding a heatsink to the flash drive!
I didn't know they included an STL to print your own enclosures. That is very intriguing, now I've got another reason to get one of these.
Not only an STL, but additional helpful material and even sometimes support in their forum as well. And they are working on a platform to sell third party modules through their website.
If I didn't prefer the durability of the Aluminum frame I would probably be tempted to print a clear case when I got one, just because I miss when electronics had clear cases to show off their cool inner bits
I like it. I would hook it into an eGPU dock with at home.
I do agree with them not putting dedicated graphics in a 13in laptop. I've have not seen a decently priced 13in that has a decently powerful GPU that is also well cooled.
For me just being able to cut off the camera+microphone is awesome. I'll never be anxious someone is listening
I've personally never understood this, because if someone has infiltrated your system that far anyway, they know every key stroke you've ever made and all your passwords and information. They really don't care about your face lol
@@DeeJaysWord I don't understand your point. Yeah they know all my data and so on but can't watch me constantly
Fantastic video! Very informative, well researched and well produced. This is the caliber of content I expect to see from youtubers with millions of subs
Really excited to see where Framework goes from here. Definitely one of the most interesting laptops I've seen in a long time
Thanks for the great review! It really puts things into perspective. For me, I bought the laptop for a lot of the same reasons, but also to support a concept I want to see more of in the laptop market. Really hoping they do well enough with this first concept to branch into ones for other purposes such as gaming as well!
Excellent review. Thank you! Looks like a solid product. Really grateful that you addressed the build quality and performance.
This was one of the best laptop reviews I have seen on RUclips. Instant subscribe from me. I look forward to your future videos, and seeing your channel grow. I especially like that it wasn't the average laptop review on RUclips. You covered the basics, and then continued to address other things that I may have been wondering or curious about. I come away from the video satisfied that I know what I need to know about this computer. Thanks 👏
Great review! Very good format. Detailed and succinct at the same time. Good analysis/observations. Keep it up and hope you get more subs
One of the most important aspects of this is, of course, their promise to supply schematics to repair shops to allow them to repair the thing.
Great review. The information you're conveying is right on the money for what I'm looking for in a product review. I enjoyed your comments on the design decisions. The videography and audio are pleasant and moves along at a nice cadence. Keep this up!
this video and the thunderbolt video, finally made me buy the laptop . i cannot wait to diassemble and configure the parts. thanks brother.
Finally an actual review of this product! 👏👌 Thank you & subscribed.
Can't believe i missed this guy for so long. You earned yourself a subscriber with your honest revews
Great video, first time seeing your channel, but I like your review you give pros and cons and good reasons and you cover a lot of product, even more than linus tech tips, yours is more informational and well covered. Thank you.
Great review! I don't have a need for a laptop at the moment for myself (just desktop and phone for now), but I've been closely following Framework since Feb and had two friends preorder them. Second batch both, one shipped so far.
Personally, I plan on waiting until either an Alder Lake board releases or a Ryzen board releases. I'm too heavy of a multitasker for 4 cores to do it for me for now.
Really excellent breakdown.
This Laptop will make a lot of sense for businesses that are using it far from normal repair resources. It might go well with a Star Link modem. The Configurable connections are great as it could save on dongles and you’d only need to put the Hdmi/DP on it when needed.
I found your channel through your Framework content - absolutely love it! :) Definitely subscribed.
damn for a channel with only 14.5k subs this video really was above and beyond what i was expecting, good job!
Holy B-Roll Bro! You are crushing the videography in this one Bro.
Great video, exactly what I was looking for, not focusing on only the repairability but just like for a normal laptop on the performance
I could get the base model right now, but I think this company is worth the support so I'm saving up for the middle option. Rooting for framework to make it!
Same
so do you got one or waiting for the 16?
Your video design quality is excellent. Sir, you deserve more subs!
As soon as the have a version with AMD parts it's on my "absolutely must save for" list, I can't overstate how much my tinkerer side wants a repairable/upgradeable laptop so that it can live just as long as my desktop
Solid review... thanks for sharing!
I love my Framework. Very high quality and it is exactly what I wanted (ultra-thin and light). Highly recommended to anyone in the market for a new personal or productivity machine, especially when portability is a factor.
Thanks for the great review!
This is a great review of the framework laptop. Thanks
I'm so ready to pre-order of these!
Outstanding review. Nice job.
Just got one for Christmas. Legitimately one of the best laptops I’ve ever used, even without considering the upgradeability. It is a very nice, very well made laptop. And on top of it, I love it. Framework deserves their appraise
Nice review.. looking forward to my batch 3..
This is a really high quality channel! Sub well earned.
I love this device! I truly hope that they manage to stick around for the long run. Their value proposition is quite unique, and geeks like me are not a massive market segment, but I would love to see them succeed. Hardware is a tough game. People may point to the likes of System76, Slimbook, Tuxedo Computers, etc as examples of smaller hardware companies finding a sustainable market. It should be stated though, that while those companies do have some manufacturing capability, most of their laptops are OEM designed and manufactured, rebranded and distributed under the new brand. The Framework Laptop is a custom design and requires bespoke manufacturing.
I have a Batch 2 system, which I ordered as the base pre-built and then added some parts. I received it at the end of July and it has been my primary portable computer since then. (I also have a desktop system that I use regularly for gaming and some other purposes.)
One reason I went with the Framework is that I already had 32 GB of RAM in the laptop I was replacing, in the form of two DDR4 SODIMMs. I haven't sold the old laptop yet, but when it goes it will have the 8 GB module that came in my pre-built Framework. I also moved out the 256 GB SSD (which will go into another computer) and bought a 2 TB SSD to replace it (not from Framework because the marketplace had not yet opened; it is open now). The Framework concept meant that I could get that RAM and SSD capacity at a lower cost than if I had gone with an ultralight where those components are soldered down. (Try pricing out an XPS with 32 GB and 2 TB!)
(Why the prebuilt rather than a DIY? I can use all the parts so it ended up being less expensive for me. If I hadn't had a use for the included RAM stick and SSD I would have gone DIY. Since I replaced the SSD I had to reinstall Windows anyway but my machine was already licensed.)
I have already convinced one less technical person to buy one. She came to me looking for advice on a new laptop and was shopping for systems in this price class. She had been considering a Surface Laptop, a system that is the antithesis of the repairable Framework; when I brought over my Framework and showed how simple it is to repair should that ever be needed, she was sold. I'll probably end up doing those repairs if they happen; I'm fine with that.
I first used it with a Logitech wireless mouse, but later shifted to a Microsoft Bluetooth mouse to get the port back. I've tried some Logitech Bluetooth mice and wasn't happy with any of them. The cheap Microsoft mouse is a good replacement for Logitech's M325: small, simple, and inexpensive (under $15 delivered in the cheapest color, pastel blue). I also convinced my friend to buy one. I am neither a Microsoft fangirl nor an anti-Microsoft crusader; when they make a product that suits my needs I'll buy it, which is why I advocated against buying the Surface Laptop but in favor of Microsoft's mouse.
Framework got just about everything right for a system in this class. I have read the comments by people who want a larger screen, dedicated graphics, and a Ryzen option; I agree that a laptop with all of those things would be a fine second product for Framework, but it wouldn't hit my personal sweet spot for a system that is easy to carry.
This slide-in dongles is absolutely genius! All tablets, laptops and all-in-one pc's should have them!
Great video and definitely the most thorough review I’ve found of this laptop so far. Did you happen to do any testing with any other OS or in windows 10? My biggest concern right now is battery life and under 5 hours of active use isn’t workable for me sadly, but I’m guessing the windows 11 beta isn’t as optimized for battery as it will be at release.
Actually Windows 11 is a lighter OS than Win 10 and has less background processes so is better for battery life.
That's a bummer... I was hoping to see all-day battery life on such a device
Well, maybe next time
I'm a CompSci student whose Dell laptop battery recently failed. I'm getting a Framework so I can reuse my Dell's parts in something I can *actually buy a replacement battery for*
Great, detailed, unbiased review!
A just ordered one from batch 8 in the UK. I'm glad they've made it this far! Thanks for the useful review. Everything is within my expectations so far. I've made all the same choices you did except I'll probably put Linux on it, at least at first.
I suppose if Framework fail it's still possible for others to make accessories or build on the concept. Maybe.
One idea I have is that as my kids get older I might get more Framework laptops and parts can be handed down. If they manage to make a bigger, more powerful base model but many of the parts are still interchangable, that could be useful. I know it's been useful in a multi-PC household being able to swap parts around, even if just for doing diagnosis.
Love the batched driver install.
A couple years down the road when Framework releases a gaming laptop... Yeah I'm all over that. My current laptop is still in good condition (only like 3 years old) but when I'm ready for a new one, if Framework is still here, I'm getting one!
It is astonishingly good for a debut
Modular design is awesome!
I want to thank you from my heart for making this video .It's super helpful and knowledgeable .
Very detailed ,well explained ,well covered topics very honest review .Thank you .
I am a novice in the field of technology and I have been doing some research to find myself a great budgeted lap top since past 4 days and I did happen to learn alot about laptops and there was always something I didn't like in every lap top .Then I thought is it possible to make our own laptop according to our configuration? and then I surprisedly came across Frame work and was very happy .
Then I had a question about upgrading Framework to AMD and you explained it very nicely . You did a great job .
We should suport this company and I am ordering mine today to support .I believe in this company and I am sure they will do very well . I wish they had a bigger screen laptop .
The best part that made me very happy and proud is that the founder and CEO of Framework is Nirav Patel who is an Indian. Best of luck to Framework .
Vandematram ,Jai hind
Great video and great seeing you out and about with your new laptop!
The Framework laptop to me is the best secondary device for a pc enthusiast. What I mean by this is that this a great laptop for someone who already has a beefy desktop at home and want something that is ultra portable to do some work on. For me I am still going to compile my code at home, but when I am out and about I can use the Framework to write code.
I definitely liked the review and will consider it for my future laptop! And will probably recommend for clients, specially clients with many laptops where you might want to upgrade or "cannibalize pieces" later in the lifecycle!!
First vid of yours I've stumbled across, CJ. Like the style: no-nonsense! I'm not from the States, but I love placing your accents; you're not from Colorado, right...? :-D
No I'm originally from New York.
This is a great video very detail up to the point. I hope Framework succeeds, I would like to see a DIY laptop in the $500 range, as much as I like it I can not afford it
I'm really looking forward to this being available outside North America.
Looking forward to their eventual expansion into phones and tablets with the same design concept. Especially looking forward to stuff optimized for Linux.
I think upgrading the GPU will be far less important than changing a worn port or the hinge, the keyboard, the fan etc... So having the GPU soldered is not a big deal. Even having the RAM soldered is ok. I don't usually upgrade that often and I haven't had a faulty processor or RAM module. If it's working during the warranty usually they work for at least a decade. But having the ability to fix everything else makes me feel super calm!
I do think the form factor is a big selling point, many peoples have been waiting to see such a configurable model this thin finally.
I must disagree with you: the Framework is for everyone (not only the Geeks). Framework has made available tons of guides to replace, upgrade, and even recently released the Marketplace.
I hope they are successful enough to make the next gen and Gaming one!
Really awesome review. Thanks for taking the time and chance on Framework to do this review. 👍
My pleasure!
That glue bit was so funny 🤣
Ok got to be honest this is one of the best review i have seen for this product, i even go far as to say this is good as or even better than Linus review.
I'd be very interested in a module that can support a wireless mouse and have a passthrough USB A. No idea if that's even possible, but I love the idea of being able to use a wireless mouse without burning a port. Although, I haven't tried any Bluetooth mice before
If finances allow framework will be my next laptop. Not using my laptops for professional purposes, so even my lower spec'd framework build is probably overkill. But I like a snappy laptop when I need to use one. Plus I really just want to support what they're doing.
the drivers part you mentioned offhand is huge for me because installing windows onto a laptop has always resulted in missing driver issues whether it be the ability to use my headset mic or even being able to access my bluetooth functionality. drivers. huge.
Holy moly those DIY ports are the main seller for me.
Love the nice video, but looks like some clips are out of color but the main shot is amazing!!!!!!!
LTT just came out as a new SHareholder in Framework.
That's gonna open a LOT of doors in the industry for them
I'm nostalgic of my old Dell Inspiron 9400 with replaceable CPU and replaceable GPU. Still using it today with Windows 10.
I truly want an AMD model with touchscreen. Right now I don't need an upgrade, but hopefully in a couple of years when I need an upgrade, the company is still online and fully operational.
Thank you
Watching this video now, I can see Framework adding prebuilt zen4/4d configurations when those come out since they'll have rdna2 built-in graphics, and by then AMD will be supporting TB4 standards, hopefully
The Mic and Camera hard kill switches, are what some me!
What do you think it would take to mod an equivelant sized touch screen into the labtop?
Think that Framework could make a somewhat larger mobile workstation next, with the same level of expansion and modularity?
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I would love to see a 4 speaker upgrade, and a heatsink fan upgrade.
I hope Framwork goes with a Flip Convertable with a good pen tech - I would hit Buy in a moment
How good will this be just for coding that doesn't deal with large database or heavy graphic?
The Intel Xe GPU is actually pretty capable. I got the I5 model and its Geekbench 5 compute score (Vulkan) was only 1000 points less than a GTX 960M (10498 vs 11453). I know I know, GTX 960M isn't particularly new or powerful, but it was once a mainstream dedicated mobile GPU nonetheless. Fedora 35 has been running super smooth and responsive on the device, and I am very satisfied.
However if you compare it to the new iGPUs in AMDs 6000 series CPUs, it loses by a lot. Which is why I'm waiting for the next generation mainboard from framework, hoping they offer AMD options
does the CPU throttle on battery power or the same as plugged in ?
Does anyone know if this product could have a fanless variant? . It would be tempting for the MacBook Air crowd
I'm supporting them by purchasing one. My 2011 Macbook Pro is starting to have everything go bad at once, and as much as I like the Mac OS, their newer machines are way too un-serviceable for me to consider buying one. Even if they were serviceable, the Macbook keyboard are not reliable enough. The keyboard is still working on my MPB even though the wifi, mike and battery are all dying.
MacBook keyboards are actually great now.
I think it would be cool if they could make a slightly bigger case - and it became the equivalent to an ATX case - ie it's been around for 26 years. You can build in it and keep upgrading it forever.
Maybe Framework can make reality what Razor conceptualized a while ago and make a desktop with thunderbolt modules for PC components!
As soon as they ship to Europe i am IN.
As all the parts will still be sellable as replacement parts for broken devices not even upgrading seems too much of an issue.
I think you kinda miss a bit when discussing the target market.
This computer is perfectly acceptable in the EU market for example. Apple products are not as liked here in the EU as they are in the US, mainly because of how hard it is to get Apple to actually fix their own products when they broke.
Also, as Louis Rosman referred, the Framework laptop is easily reparable by any third-party reparable service. This for me is a big win, specially to those clients who are tired of paying big bugs just because Apple and other computer sellers are unwilling to fix their own products, forcing their clients to buy new ones.
wow..didnt know that 100C thing was normal behaviour for that intel chip. nice review.
Since 100 C is "normal" for this, is there software that can alert me if the CPU is going into thermal throttling? Because if there was ever an actual problem with the cooler, I'd want an automated warning or something. Especially on a laptop where I can get to the cooler easily and airblast it (or replace if broken)
You can install HWiNFO and add the cpu temp to the tray.
I am loving all your reviews. Why is this channel not competing the LTT?
*It needs a larger touchscreen and more I/o ports and it would have a market with more users, particularly with those who run Hauptwerk software which requires 64 mega of RAM and a movable, upgradable computer.*
Nice review! I was looking forward to see a performance and use test beyond the usual (and well deserved) "oooh, it's serviceable!".
If I may, there's a part that is inaccurate, contradictory with the rest, and maybe misleading:
"If Framework becomes another casualty, I'm left with a laptop that's just as serviceable or upgradeable as an Apple product."
Even if the company disappeared and never built new modules or specific components, you'd still be left with a much more modular and easy to open laptop, with no damn glue, with good documentation, user-friendly guides and lots of off-the-shelf upgradeable or swappable components. So, even in that case, it'd still be in a totally different league compared to an Apple product.
Answer this. If Framework is no more how would I upgrade this laptop to a 12th gen intel, or replace the battery when it degrades, or replace a cracked display or blown speaker? I can replace generic SMDs and generic components on any laptop, but much of the Framework is still proprietary.
@@ElevatedSystems I agree with all that. It's just that leaving it at the same level of an Apple product in terms of serviceability. even in that case, seemed excessive to me.
@@eldelacajita At this point in time 3rd party and aftermarket replacement components are easy to get for most Apple products. I can basically rebuild an entire MacBook if I need to. The process sucks but it can be done.
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can you upgrade this laptop to a 12th gen intel ? i mean without the whole motherboard change..
Sad to hear that the speakers are not front-facing. Are they at least of good quality? How do they sound in Linux vs Windows? It is good that they are replaceable, but I wonder if the audio chip is also replaceable.
bizzarly enough, my productivity needs are more geared towards a 16:9 ratio as I work with tiling terminals, and having 4 terminals tiled on the screen, I wouldn't have enough width, and lines would wrap so much more and would be painful to read.
I would also prefer ryzen, just to get more cores because I actually need them, but I can do without, not a big requirement for me.
so yeah, if they get a 16:9 ratio one out there, I'll definitely grab it, might take a few years before they manage it, but I believe in them. I just hope my current laptop lasts that long
I laughed so hard seeing an ad for an HP laptop before this video
And then an ad for a chrome book in the middle of the video