Where did the Brutes Armor come from? - Lore and Theory
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- In this episode: we discuss why the Brutes wore no armor in Halo 2 and yet wore full-body power armor in Halo 3 when they were only 14 days apart!
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Personally I had always thought the Brutes didn’t have armor to keep them somewhat equal to the elites, and the reason the armor was made so quickly was because Truth had been planning to off the Elites long before Regrets’ death, and was having the armor made and put in storage in secret.
Cool to find out I was partially right.
I also thought the same thing at the beginning of the video.
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Halo 3 odst
brutes using armor
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Dude... Tartarus was an idiot but I'll be damned if he wasn't a true BRUTE
Atriox would fuck him up. Excuse my language.
Your excused
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Can agree. Shocky-shocky hammer is more intimidating than Virgin Tartarus' hammer
Superintendent NM High-tech Warhammer vs Literal giant rock with a handle
That’s interesting because Tartarus himself wore bright red power armor during the fall of harvest. And his other brutes did too. Their armor shields were also seemingly much stronger than an elites with his uncle and 2 other brutes taking the combined fire of like 20 assault rifles at once and not even getting hurt. Why he would trade this out is still insane.
When you're so stuck on traditional and pride, you rarely thing practically
slicer940 Keep in mind the Fist of Rukt (Tartarus’ Warhammer) is a literal rock with forerunner metal on it (they just broke off a piece of rock that the metal was in). Brutes are pretty haphazard when it comes to usage of technology
@@narrowstone5363 But according to the book, the armor WAS traditional. Tartarus's power armor was what made him chieftain. It held just as much meaning to the Brutes as the Arbiter's armor held to the Elites.
He traded it out for an energy shield that laughs off energy swords and heavy artillery. That's a pretty good trade.
Same deal as the arbiter wearing the arbiters armor
I've always wanted to learn more about brutes, thank you for these videos
Just Some Guy without a Mustache you beat me here
I just assumed it was a reton by Bungie. In ODST they are armored also which takes place during the same time as H2. Would loved to have seen them having armor in H2A (even just aesthetically)
TheVargr I always thought that those Brutes were a part of Truth’s fleet (Regret left and Truth jumped in pretty much directly after) and since they were a part of Truth’s fleet & Truth was likely planning this coup they’d be armored as a result
As the Rookie you can find groups of dead Elites while the Brutes have command, implying the Schism already happened/was happening.
As for why these ones have armor, since we didn't see any Brutes on Earth in Halo 2, it's plausible the Brutes attacking Earth already had the armor.
I'd agree it's still a retcon, but a believable retcon.
How many systems and planets did the Covenant have before the Great Schism?
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They inhabited the orion arms which were once humans, probably few thousands
The official lore and website states that they owned most of the galaxy before they fell, so it could be millions or even tens of millions.
What About the brutes from halo odst, since they have the power armor before the death of tartarus. Part of that progressive group?
I'd think so. I imagine most Brute groups didn't have any issue with better armor and weapons
More than likely Truths battle group already had their weapons and armor because he’s been planning a coup for a while. It wouldn’t be hard to believe if he had massive weapon and armor stockpiles that the higher ranking brutes knew about and couldn’t wait to get to when the schism fully broke out
@@ReaperofValhalla but before the death of tartarus?
stijnVDA1994 brutes on delta halo and high charity didn’t have that power armor as they didn’t break it out yet because the elites were still their “allies.” When the Arbitrator was “killed” was when the betrayal fully broke out and not all the brutes had time to rally and rearm. Gotta remember when Arby was sent to the deep abyss and from the time he met up with three jaw was less then a day at most. It takes time to rally and arm a army
@@ReaperofValhalla halo 3 odst was just after the ship of truth left new mombasa in the same time period as halo 2...
Could you make a video on explaining how the Yanme developed their anti gravitational tech and what makes them such great engineers?
They probably didn't develop it, I imagine like most civie tech the San shyum did. As far as they're engineering prowess I have no idea. Bugs usually don't have big brains.
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I thought that there was some explanation about how they traversed from their homeworld and to their moon, which the anti gravitational tech helped with.
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@@Stratonetic oh I didn't know that. Maybe the roaches are smarter than we are :/
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Bees are better organizers. lol
Small hands. Good for fiddly mechanisms.
I have a question: what advantages did ancient humanity have over the forerunners physically or psychologically?
This is a good question ^^^^ they fought a two front war for a decent amount of time so whatever it was it wasn't insignificant.
do correct me if im wrong but they rapidly caught up with the forerunners in terms of tech levels when there was peace although forerunners were better at certain tech mega engineering. also humanity had an alliance with the ancient prophets which you don't see much with forerunners making allies as they fully believed the mantle was their right alone.
It depends on when the story is written and who's writing it. For instance it's sometimes suggested ancient humans at thier peak rivaled the forerunners at thier most wavering, it seems at times they are actually stronger, and at times they are weaker. It changes as the plot requires them
Elliot Lee the concrete advantage was the immortality, humans dosnot have the technology of immortality and the access to the domains. In warfare apparently they are almost the same that varies from autor to autor
Adaptability. Ancient Humanity was able to taken actions quickly to fight off the Flood and Forerunners simultaneously. The Caste system of the Forerunners meant that it took forever for the Forerunners to react and take appropriate steps to deal with the Flood. Eventually when they've decided to quarantine worlds, the Flood had grew strong enough that conventional warfare could no longer contain them.
Given the buildup to replace the Sangheli, I'd imagine that the steps to arm them with equally advanced and or capable gear had already produced a considerable stockpile by the time the change in power was made openly. On top of that, the troops headed for Earth and the Ark would be marked as high priority for the Covenant armories and quartermasters.
I like the brute's armor from Halo wars 2 they just look so badass.
H2A's design makes them look like Wookiees with constant anger issues.
For the Reach Brutes, I'll quote HiddenXperia: "The Brute design in that game just look f***ing peculiar."
Which design do you like more?
I quite like H2A's "wookies on steroids look", nice and Savage lookin. 3's looked okay as well, just shaved.
Agreed. If they were to appear in infinite or any new game, I’d want them to look like a mix between the 2A and 3 brute designs
And then you have the absolute chad Halo Wars 2 Brutes. I absolutely adore their design!
The Banished Brute power armour has that bulky, industrial look. Kinda makes sense since a lot of their armour is salvaged from various material. Atriox in particular, he's using an ODST breast plate as an abdomen piece.
And that red colour theme they have just looks sick and really compliments their design.
@@MEXUS. I always thought the Brutes in H3 had longer snouts. The Brutes in Halo Wars 2 are plump
Reach's Brutes always reminded me of the cave troll from the Fellowship of the Ring movie
I'm so happy this is what won the poll
I wanted the how do ships change course in space
@@ChiyoBebe. I'd imagine they have thrusters on the side
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"How do ships change course in space? Well, they have thrusters on the side."
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Brutes also wore full armor during the Fall of Reach with power armored Chieftains. Brutes were shown wearing power armor in Halo 3 ODST
Unfortunately the Brute units present in New Mombasa post the in-atmosphere slipspace jump of the Solemn Penance bore the powered armour as per the campaign events of ODST. As a result the Brute forces that assaulted Earth were evidently wearing armour prior to the death of Tartarus.
Pointing towards the more long-term machinations of the Prophet of Truth in setting up the civil war? The sangheilli you encounter in ODST are all slaughtered by Brutes prior to Buck's arrival at Tayari Plaza, which ONI seem to somehow already been aware of?
Or
Bungie needed a replacement for the Elite within the enemy sandbox and shoehorned the Brutes into that role. Placing mechanics first and retroactively sorta-kinda tried to make the narrative work? So they all got armoured up in the blink of an eye. ;-)
Great video.
ODST used assets and the entire engine from Halo 3, and given it was meant to be a DLC originally, they werent gonna just make a whole new asset for one DLC
I always wondered how the elites helmets were able to fit their skulls
Brutes the ultimate yeet machine
It's important to note that they were some Jiralhanae wearing similar Armors to that worn by the Sangheili. Notably the Chieftains seen in Halo:Reach.
I'm surprised you'd get this detail wrong... John-117 encountered the Brutes BEFORE Halo 2. Running into them aboard the station Unyielding Hierophant, during the novel 'First Strike'.
Probably just an oversight.
@@srikrishnasrivatsan199 But how does a detail like that slip into the final draft. I know the bulk is a speculation, but fact checking what isn't should have caught this.
Sable Drakon I think it was the way he worded it. I think he meant it was the first time Chief saw Brutes on High Charity rather than seeing Brute for the first time ever.
He can make mistakes. He is already a great content producer and he more than likely won't come up with some shitty excuse for this particular oversight.
I think 00 meant the first time the player sees Brutes as Master Chief.
We know in Reach that the higher-up Brutes had energy shields. So armour was probably distributed on a priority bases. When they took the place of the Elites, factories producing Sangheili armour probably just switched over to Jiralhanae armour. Actually now that I think about it, Truth was probably already making and storing it so he could have his new forces fully-armed for the Great Schism. And the new armour probably had an intended psychological effect. The Brutes are dressed like Elites to show that they are calling the shots now.
It's quite obvious that the Brutes around the capital weren't allowed to wear armor so as to give the Elite Councilors some peace of mind. Other Covenant fleets and units, however, probably allowed Brutes to have armor, or were manned by Brutes with armor. In Halo Wars, 3, ODST, and Reach, some Brutes were wearing armor, as we see clearly that the Brutes of Halo Wars, 3, and ODST had power armor on, and the Halo Reach Brutes had armor for their officers and chieftains.
Man I love this channel much, I've been thinking of the why brutes getting armor since halo 3 came out and you gave the final answer.thank you very many times
I always thought the brutes were space gorillas when I first played halo 2 back in the day
Keep up the videos man. These types of videos helps with the immersion.
The Prophet of Truth prepare them before executing the plan of removing the elites. Probably in that period the upgrade was made in secret.
A brute walks out of the dark, in a small voice: yeah cause sometimes we become sensitive
Jiralhanae - the Sons of Anarchy of the Halo universe 😂
Halo 2 brutes are still the true brutes. They're so fanatical
The simple explanation is retcon/redesign. No lore explanation necessary.
The Brutes in Reach more closely resemble their Halo 3 counterparts, and in the books the brutes are described as wearing armor and power-armor.
They probably got some upgrades prior to/as a result of the Great Schism, but canonically speaking the brutes did not go from being mostly naked to fully armored in 2 weeks. They have always worn armor.
Halo 2 is technically just an outlier in the Brute's aesthetic is all.
I just like to think that the reason they have armor in Halo 3 and beyond is because they didn't have time to render them in Halo 2. I think in one of the ViDocs for Halo 3 they mentioned that it was originally planned but they ran out of time.
I realized what is potentially a plot hole between Halo 2 and 3 How did everyone get from Delta halo to Earth before Chief did when Chief was on a Forerunner keyship that are known for their speed through slipspace. Like the trip there took 3 weeks I think and Chief would have been able to return in just a matter of days
What happened to the Forerunner Key Ship that Truth used in Halo 3?
It was destroyed.
@A Random Internet Box Master Chief sneezed.
@A Random Internet Box it crashed on earth at the start of halo 3
Big fan of the brutes can’t wait to see more lore
What about the Brutes from Halo Reach?
ZACK NEAVE right? It was even in a similar style as halo 3's
I think they were just a small army following Arbiter's fleet to invade Reach. I don't know, it might be a few contradictions in the Halo series. Like, Joe Staten didn't have the idea of brutes yet in Halo CE
Most brutes were basically stark naked from what I remembered. Only Chieftains had armour.
The brutes from halo reach are veiloth
You should do a similar video about how the Banished ended up with power armor that’s far more advanced than any Brute armor we’ve seen before.
Fist of Rukt? More like Fist of *Rekt*
Also I always wondered what those Jackals from the start of Halo 2 did to end up in jail on High Charity.
because of the brutes mentioning feeding the Arbiter to them, I like to think it was for eating someone in the covenant
Much like wooly mammoths are just furry elephants, brutes are just furry hunters
Hunters are made up of colonies of worms.
Very detailed breakdown, the best I've seen. I especially like how you tied in The Banished, the history of the Brutes, and the timeline details from H2 to H3. Good job.
Could've also been something Truth has commissioned in secret?
I don't understand why you don't more views and subscribers. You make interesting and quality content.
The answer to where they got the armor from originally was that Bungie wanted to redesign the look of the brutes, and the Halo 3 brutes were retroactively replacing the brutes in 2. The idea that there is a canonical reason for the change in 2 weeks wasnt a thing.
Fast forward to 2014 and the Devs in charge said that Halo 2 anniversary's style and portrayal of everything is retroactive across the board until the events of Halo 4, meaning that at this time the way the brutes look in Halo 3 do not actually portray how they are supposed to look or interact according to the information given by 343.
I find it strange that anyone inside or outside the company would attempt to find a story explanation behind retroactive Canon like this after it's official discussion.
@A Random Internet Box unlikely, the only chances would be that it would have had to use elements from Halo 2A, which would counter a lot of gameplay choices in 3, which is also part of the reason they didn't make Halo 3A because trying to drum up in universe lore to counter Halo 1-2 would stir too much debate since popular opinion is that Halo 2 is more structurally sound lore wise.
It's easy to forget Halo 3 was the first in a long series of games where there was major lore changes and the studio tried to use the "don't think about/isn't the game fun" excuse to try and sidestep the people who paid attention.
Also, when Halo Wars 2 came out 343 said thier reason for looking almost 1-1 with Halo 2A was because of this very reason. Of you tried to stick the looks of Halo 2 on top of Halo 3 it counters more then it cooperates, and that's part of the reason Halo 3A wouldn't work visually
On the other hand, saying they hypothetically made Halo 3A look completely different to Halo 2A to fit the designs in in Classic Halo 3, it would mean 343 supports bungie's disregard of previous visual Canon and set up and that also aggravate the people invested in how the series looks and feels.
Also to add to this, Fire Team Raven uses the Halo 2A assets and 343 said that is the proper display of Canon assets (until Halo 4 in the timeline), and doubles down on the retroactive replacement of things seen in Halo CEA or Reach etc.
So if you try to compare certain things the established look shows us in Halo 2A, Halo wars 2 to classic Halo 3 (where covenant and human armor, rank, etc. changes) you run into more inconsistency. It's easier for them to just not attempt to explain a Canon reason for the change and just sweep Halo 3's look as inaccurate to the more widely accepted canon.
@A Random Internet Box it's funny I was just rehashing this topic today and thought of you
this is the only video i ever wanted from this channel. Love the brutes they are so cool :)
In all honesty, knowing what the covenant production lines are capable of, not surprising. especially, since the armor in halo 3, didn't have shields.
That music at about 8:20 oh so good
Basically everything in Halo lore is a result of a game designer thinking "this would be neat" and then a writer having to spend weeks figuring out how to explain it in the lore because they know us nerds must have an explanation.
I love your insanely detailed lore, man
Hey installation when can we expect that video on machine infantry. Just curious UwU
We were, until you said “UwU”
Probably next week!
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I know I might be a little late here, but you're telling me that they didn't just use Brute force to get their new armor? lol. love the videos, was introduced to halo long ago in 2002 while watching my older brother play, then we played together up until halo 5.
So are the Brutes, 'Brutally cunning or are they cunningly brutal?'
The simplest answer would be, that we see high charity brutes occupying a largely ceremonial and political role in H2. Those operating as part of the wider military are probably already using the armor at the same time.
Im a new viewer to the channel, love the vids I've seen so far and I was wondering, are you going to do a video on the Forward unto Dawn at any point, Thanks for the great content!
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I love the idea that brutes armor was made to make them weaker so elites would easily be ablento sliaghter them rather than risk hand ta hand with a mack truck meaning brute chieftains with shields arent just the most powerful becuase of there armor but the smartest and probably lead to the brute culture getting more agressive and violent which is whybtartarus and cheiftans seem to be the chillest brutes that never go berserk while all the lowest brutes can easily lose it and just bum rush
So I'm noticing Halo 2 anniversary and Halo 3 is the snouts of the species in which it elongated.
Not sure if you’ve done this yet but can you explain the red energy sword and why the prophets bane is orange not blue like I’ve always wondered why there’s a red energy sword and what the color could mean?
Thanks for the deep lore💙
It just occurred to me, while the brutes at some point being capable of gravity manipulation sounds ridiculous it kind of makes sense, just hear me out. First off they live on a planet where gravity is stronger and therefore easier to notice and measure leading to more interest in the subject. This also means they would need significantly more impressive technology to even have a hope of getting off their planet efficiently. And thanks to their penchant for tribal infighting they'd quickly create a near impenetrable debree field around their planet that would last for millenia.
Whatever was left would then be scavenged for parts leaving only the relatively easy to maintain gravity hammers as symbols of their legacy. And as we have seen they are capable of matching the other races in the setting when it comes to intelligence despite having a culture that rewards sheer physical strength.
My guy said “How” 😂 hood question because brutes are built on brutality and physical bodily harm. But if you think about it they do have those floating worms working for them on the Halo wars 2 game so that could be a way how they upgraded their armor so quick🤷🏾♂️ just a thought
They need to add a brute to mortal kombat!! It would be cool to see Kelly too.
You should make a Video on Known Forerunner Ancilla and generally what they did, where they were found/left ( if that can be/is known ), i know most will end up being monitors but still... do it anyways lol i know they show up in a book or 2, non monitor Ancilla's
I hope that the Halo infinite brutes armor doesn't break apart.
I would like to think different division packs wore armour while some didn't. Wasn't til the final months that Truth must of ordered an increase in mass production of standard issue armour to all brutes.
The brutes in halo2a and the brutes in halo 3 are different breeds?
But what about halo reach you forgot to mention the fact that they had this amor on reach also the fact that higher ranking broots did have shealds
I knew thisI knew this video was on its way thank you
the brutes in Halo Reach had powered armor though...
How did Jul ‘abdama become the leader of the covenant in halo 4 and 5 , and where has the banished been at in halo 5 why aren’t we fighting them to?
Its madama.
M'dama
@@Hades1100 I stand corrected.
@@commanderknight9314 nvm its Jul 'Mdama I messed it up. Got confused with the arbiters name for some reason
The brute power armor already existed before halo 3, it was in halo 3 odst
So here's a Question.
Could the Covenant go Toe to Toe with the Protoss from StarCraft?
Another Question.
Would the Covenant/Human War have been Shorter with the Terran, Protoss, and UNSC Alliance?
The Terrans being Human, but with more Advance Technology like the Battle Cruiser's Yamato Cannon.
You could have just said Bungie needed an enemy to replace the elites and they need armor to achieve similar gameplay to the prior games
lore says that the brute had nuked themselves back into the stone age and were space faring before they ever were found by the covenant. it makes sense that the brute would have had their own armor since they were already an advanced civilization. shit explained in the lore isnt confusing or hard to understand
Damn, if other kinds of brutes would have been in the position of activating the ring, we'd all be in a much different place.
I just assumed it was different packs.
Now we only need the armor humans, not Spartan armour,more like the marine armour and odst armour,and why their armour has not been improve even in halo 5?
If what was stated is true does that mean there is a chance the brutes we play as in awakening the nightmare are possibly related to atriox?
Is the Master Chief a Spartan 1.1 in addition to his Spartan 2 augmentations?
I love the brutes. With your recent video explaining Spartan 5 theories, you mentioned that ONI put some memories in the flash clones. It wasn't perfect but it did work.
Could ONI experiment with figuring out how Brutes work and after a bit of modification to encourage critical thinking, put memories, pro human memories, into a brute? Image waking up remembering a human body only to find you're a brute made by ONI to protect humanity. Is this possible?
Or ONI experiments when they kidnap brutes humans and elites and have them become Spartan would be cool. Have them work together.
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That music was way too loud :(
Hang on. Tarty had the Fist of Rukt retrofitted w/ Covie tech right? Doesn't that make him a hypocrite for adopting technology into his personal weapon?
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Please for the love of huge death machines tell me About when the UNSC and elites had their alliance in their troops all met for the first time without fighting
Were they historically "gravity" hammers? Or just ornate hammers?
God, I fucking love the brutes. Please Halo Infinite... please?
Did Tartarus ever meet atriox?
From Atriox
I hope we get to see more individual aesthetics on the Brutes in Halo Infinite and they're not all just copy-pasted clones of each other.
But wait didn’t the brutes wear ornate power armor in reach?
Which faction would Atriox come from? Considering he assimilated Covenant and UNSC tech and armor, would he been from the pro-tech faction?
Either that or born into the covenant and just used to tech
How did they have this armor in Halo 3 ODST? Because that during Halo 2
Halo doesn’t really make sense. Brutes were in ODST and that takes place during Halo 2
Short answer: it's a video game
Joehanny packs, I have no clue how to spell that. Can be shaven, have beards, decorated beards, can have no tattoos and can have tattoos. Sorry but that is literally the definition of useless information. That is like a realtor saying. Well This is the front door to the place, the door can be in the open position and sometimes even the closed position. And these are the light switches you can have them off or on depends on how you feel.
Just teasing video was great.
Well bydog :)
Great theory but I’m pretty sure Halo 3 ODST throws a huge wrench in this entire theory. It takes place during the events of Halo 2 and the brutes are already decked out in power armour. I think it’s just a huge oversight on Bungie’s part.
was the discord weird noise problem solved?
also brutes suck for trying to genocide me.
But they are more protected without the armour 😂😂
Was covenant government crazy kill elite one of better warrior in halo other than the spartan . We played them with the giant alien monkeys just because their little bit more physically power and not that smart . Elite build covenant Andy for thousands of years , elite is 10 X times more smarter than alien money's and elite have fighting skills to make up being weaker , elite have more power with the Hunter and to help them with more physicall fight.
The real question is wth happened to all that fur
spartans, stronger then humans
sangheli, stronger then spartans
jihnhanle (monkeys) stronger then sangheli
theres ALWAYS a bigger (stronger) fish
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