How I plan road trips in EVs
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Totally agree with you on the fast eTron charging curve…it rocks! 🤟. On a road trip to Chicago, I dropped the family off at a restaurant and took the car to charge. I was back with them just a little after the pizzas made it to the table.
This is one of the most cardinal videos from Mr TeslaBjorn... it will get so many views in the years to come... I enjoyed it very much, it's so useful... I've been to Belgrade and to Budapest with my Ioniq (both trips of around 600km, I've done Belgrade in 10hrs instead of the usual 6hrs in an ICE car because there is still a 300km gap without CCS fast charging between Zagreb and Slaovnski Brod, and also I couldn't activate the fast charger in Sisak with my Plugshare app - what an adventure!), and I always say: every such trip is like a road movie featuring yourself in the starring role. Thank you so much, Mr Teslabjorn for this brilliant video!
On board the Ferry Helsingborg You fast charge for 25 minutes. You can aldo use the bro bizz from the bridge. The Ferry is also fully electrical and you save 69km driving
Great tips Björn!
I have driven the Leaf 40kwh 3500km now in july, optimal per day is around 400km. By the time you need fast charge 2nd time its really painful during the summer now when outside temp is around 30C. I would say Leaf in summer can only fast charge once/day, after 400km battery is at around 52-55C. And during the night battery does not cool of completely so in the morning the battery is around 30-33C when you start. So yes Rapidgate is a problem, but the roadtrip was very fun anyway.
Great video, exactly the kind of practical tips that are useful for planning.
Excellent video with great tips. Have done 400km as the longest trip with the Soul EV and even in hot temps around 28 it charges superfast. 20-30 mins at the most to get 82% and then just cruise along again.
Hotels.com is one oft he expensive sites google will show you for booking your hotel.
Only use them to find an Hotel ! I drove to the Hotel and got the room for half the price last time.
A tip for SC at Rade is to instead use Hotel Cordes in Rosengarten, 15 minutes from Rade. They have free destination charger, nice rooms and nice staff
Only 8 minutes detour from the motorway, actually.
Mike Dee yeah, a nice hotel in a nice scenery with a nice staff
Thank you Bjorn for your videos. I started my own and I love road tripping on my tesla model 3 standard range plus from Portugal.
I’m going to Germany on my tesla in august to board on a 9 day cruise. Then I’ll go back to Portugal by the French Alps and Carcassone.
Next year I plan to go to Norway.
Instead of the expensive juice booster (nice product if you are not handy with electricity) you can also make all types of CEE cables yourself to map to your red (or blue) 16A tesla charger.
I did so for less then 250 euro including cables and all plugs from 32A red and blue to 16A red, 16A red and blue to 16A red, schuko to 16A red (with 10A grounded adaptors for UK, Denmark, Swiss and Italy) and a 16A red 25m extension cord to go onto the tesla charger.
Before charging just check the max output of the outlet(switchboard) or adapter and adjust your Tesla's charge speed to those amps in the car before plugging in (with 8A you are always safe any connections mentioned before so if you are not in a hurry your fine).
This year I charged on the grounded 13A dishwasher outlet in my Danish holiday home as the public chargers (on Bornholm, where there is only 1 50kW fast charger on the whole island) where over €0,50 per kW (some over over €1) while that "only" cost €0,38.
Picked up our Model 3 LR AWD last Thursday. Going on holiday next Friday. Looking forward to the trip. During the two weeks we will have 4x 500km stints to various locations. All Germany travel...oh yeah.
Very good video...could have mentioned abetterrouteplanner though 😏. Still good travel guide for EVs.
Congrats!
Charging with Plugsurfing at most stations is the most expensive alternative in Germany
Maingau is usually the best option in Germany (and Switzerland)
@@donfetaful an email to all customers, I've also got one
@@sn1316videos Even after that they are still cheapest most of the time. And they didn't raise prices in Switzerland.
@@donfetaful for Germany only
Happy Birthday Björn !!!
Great video Bjørn. The apps I like to use to find various charging stations are MOOVILITY and Intercharge. I have used standalone apps like Fastned and Ionity to charge the EVs I’ve test driven
Hej Bjørn, despite the few and long transfer periods between Larvik and Hirtshals, you should make that trip some day and go north and east from Hirtshals. Visit Skiveren, Skagen, Hulsig, Råbjerg Mile and many other sights worth visiting and there are camping sites which you might be able to use. The very north of Denmark is quite beautiful in summer time. Cheers!
Happy Birthday, Bjorn!
Thanks for the advice!
I will be doing some trips between Sandefjord and Gjøvik and it is very useful to know the average speed so I can make plans!
Yo... Not much my Tesla brotha. Great tips and these can apply across the pond too. Planning isn't difficult. Many sites and charging out there. Not the wild west anymore for many EVs.
A warning for Leaf and planning sites that calculate times for charging. For ex. Abetterroutplanner.com.
Leaf rapidgate increases charging times significally after even first long charge session. But sites dont calculate that. For ex. my 900km trip with Leaf40 took 18hours in hot summer weather.
Hallstatt has a tunnel, that has a parking lot in the middle (with lake view, so there might be a charger) I was there this spring
I calculated for an e-up.
If I wanted to drive to the sea once a year, it doesn't matter if I drive 120-130km/h top speed or 90km/h.
I would need to charge more often, the arrival time is exactly the same. (5:50h for 390km)
Before anyone asks:
You would need more then 4:30 hours anyway, because of traffic.
Frank if you combine fast charging with 130kph over 390km, your battery will simply blow up from the heat 😂
@@OVarlamov That's not helpful.
It won't blow up in any case, it would charge slower.
I just checked out the possibilities and was surprised by the results.
Around where I live and expect to drive, there are a lot of Bee charges and they were the first I looked at in the Plugshare app. It's pretty ridiculous that the price is set to 13.09 SEK/KWh if you use the Plugshare tag, instead of 5 or 3 SEK/KWh for fast or slow charging with the Bee tag. According to Plugshare, the price is set by the operator of the network, so either Bee don't want people to use anything other than their tag or they just want to rip off unsuspecting tourists. I'm fine with my Bee tag, but I think I'm going to email and ask them about this anyway...
Nice one Bjorn - very interesting.
Can you test the consumption with more passenger's? (Full car. 500-600 kg)?
Just got through a Hamburg traffic jam, can confirm, daytime Hamburg traffic is bad.
Thanks for the great tips and video Bjorn. I've been watching as many of your videos as I can while I wait for my Hyundai Kona to be delivered. . . May 2020 is the projected date, but it could come sooner. However I'm not counting on it right ?. . . .
Anyway, I appreciate the effort you put into your videos man, and look forward to the future ones :)
Regarding how long to charge: I3 charges fast (just below 50 kW) to close to 90%. But I would only use the car around town as it is made for.
Bjorn, I like that 'Whats Upppp" :-) BR
I just finished a 3000km trip from The Netherlands to Norway and back and used the abetterrouteplanner website for the outbound trip but I found it way too conservative (it planned recharges each 100km, while my Ioniq can do 170km) so on the return I used the Plugshare app and planned it myselves. It also saved me a fortune as the abetterroute site has a preference for Ionity which is very $$$$ and the app sucks. In addition, I used the Maingau RFID for the majority of charges. Works flawless.
ABRP is a little conservative (which makes sense) and it optimises total travel time. With the Ioniq, total travel time is minimised by travelling with around 135 km/h, charging from 10% to 75% and having stops every 100 km or so. You can of course travel more slowly (say 120 km/h), always charge to 94% and only stop every 160 to 180 km. It will maybe take a bit longer overall but may nevertheless be more comfortable. Depends on your preferences. Preference for Ionity is because they have a high charging power and redundancy, which makes them more likely to be used by ABRP.
You can also use Maingau on Ionity. Just not recommendable in Denmark and Sweden.
I love the site. The fact it is agnostic to a single EV brand is great. They pull from many charge sources so they are usually up to date.
In Denmark Clever is cheaper if you pay with Plugsurfing (8,43 dkk/kwh) instead of sms (8,75 dkk/kwh)
I paid ~ 2.70 DKK/kWh on Ionity.
Another option is the EasyPark app which you can use to activate e.On Denmark chargers (which are much more reliable the e.On Germany chargers). Cost is DKK 5.40 per kWh.
Clever is working on enabling app payment in their newest app. It seems that they will charge as low as 5,50 dkk/kwh
Ionity is a joint venture of european automakers as far as I know, and they are interested in pushing CCS. CHADEMO being a competing Japanese standard needs to be squeezed out. I think CCS is already established by european law as preferred rapid charging standard.
Any chance you would review a Smart ForTwo EQ? I know you just do motorway cars but finding it really good in urban environments
Björn, when you sleep in the car, for example in Germany, Switzerland or France? Where do you find spots to sleep? I'm planning my first euro road trip in my TM3LR and I want the option to sleep in the car if i don't manage to find an hotel (or safe some money) or really need a nap. Thanks for the great videos!
park4night app
@@alconaft4343 Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.
I'm surprised A Better Route Planner doesn't sponsor you. I wouldn't mind if said so in the video... what's up ABRP?
Do you always overnight at hotels or do you sometimes overnight in the car?
Apps : ChargeMap, Wattfinder (going electric), Plugshare, nextcharge, Stromtankstellen.
:D at plugsurfing i thought i know that Map from somewhere. I live in Hannover:)
rDo you know about an app or web site that shows both superchargers and fastchargers and indicates which is which? And also with routing?
You forgot the average speed for the fiat EV. What was it 20km/h ? 😂
Victor Wood It is probably even less, as Fiat does not sell electric cars😉
How about all these different badges for green zones in Europe? Are they needed for EVs?
Ughhh... Unfortunately so, if you enter the specific areas.
It would really help if there was a sticker valid for the whole of Europe.
With an electric car registered outside Germany, you need the green eco badge if you want to drive within the environmental zones that most large cities have. You need to put stick this to the inside of the windscreen. On top of that, if you want to have the same advantages as a German electric car with an "E" number plate, and your car does not have a special number plate from your country (e.g. green plates for Austria) or is registered outside the EU, you need a blue "E" badge that you stick on the back of the car. In some cities you need this in order to be allowed to charge at a charging station (whenever you have a little car logo with a plug below the blue "P" sign, e.g. Hamburg).
@@MikeDeeee I just checked for that badge. They should shove it up their bum bum, it costs 98 euros.
So I'm guessing I won't see you in Toulouse for a long time yet? ;)
It won't be long before someone offers to rent a trailer with battery packs to extend EV ranges.
Very good video. Usefull
Very good video!
You don't an need app in the UK, we only got 3 chargers ;+) so far behind Norway on EV's
That's harsh. We have more charging stations than petrol stations. Only three of them work, though. :D
Nice thumbnail from bern 😉
Can you charge on a ferry?
Some. I know you can in Ireland to the UK if you ask
uneven tire pressure? :O
do you have a formula for the average speed calculations? I'm planning a roadtrip with Model X Long Range, towing a bigass caravan. The caravan is approx 2000kg.
Probably around 60kph I think. Max speed is 80-90kph ish.
Also consumption will probably be 350-400 Wh/km. So with a X100D probably charging every 2 to 3 hours from 10% to 80% (30ish minutes).
If you want to calculate it properly, it is not easy. The values given by Bjørn are approximate based on his experience. However, I will advise you that you should drive quite slowly in order to minimise total travel time. I would try to travel at the same speed as the lorries. Charging is a bit tricky in many locations, you may have to unhook the caravan in most cases. So I would actively seek out those charging spots where you don't need to do this (Fastned assuming you have the CCS upgrade and some Superchargers come to mind).
It's very hard to calculate. Depends on charging curve, distance between chargers and consumption (which depends on many factors).
To calculate it, you need drag, rolling resistance, elevation, charging curves at different temperatures and chargers, chargers locations, etc.
Or measure consumption with the caravan at different speeds and then try to calculate
Maybe A Better Route Planner will work if you measure consumption at given speed and write it in settings.
@@pmj_studio4065 i've been testing ABRP with 450 w/km at 110km/h as reference. If this is approximatley correct, than the charging stops and time is not to bad. =)
Is the Thumbnail Picture made in Switzerland?
Bern
@@JohnDoe-vx3z Joo vou hani äbä ou denkt.
@@Jens_Morgenegg Only a select few will understand that here...
YO, What'suuuuup
You stated one charging system was called "E-UP" is that a Yorkshire saying? E-UP! : )
e-Up is a car. Not really suitable for long distance travel though.
Instead of the expensive juice booster (nice product if you are not handy with electricity) you can also make all types of CEE cables yourself to map to your red (or blue) 16A tesla charger.
I did so for less then 250 euro including cables and all plugs from 32A red and blue to 16A red, 16A red and blue to 16A red, schuko to 16A red (with 10A grounded adaptors for UK, Denmark, Swiss and Italy) and a 16A red 25m extension cord to go onto the tesla charger.
Before charging just check the max output of the outlet(switchboard) or adapter and adjust your Tesla's charge speed to those amps in the car before plugging in (with 8A you are always safe any connections mentioned before so if you are not in a hurry your fine).
This year I charged on the grounded 13A dishwasher outlet in my Danish holiday home as the public chargers (on Bornholm, where there is only 1 50kW fast charger on the whole island) where over €0,50 per kW (some over over €1) while that "only" cost €0,38.
Instead of the expensive juice booster (nice product if you are not handy with electricity) you can also make all types of CEE cables yourself to map to your red (or blue) 16A tesla charger.
I did so for less then 250 euro including cables and all plugs from 32A red and blue to 16A red, 16A red and blue to 16A red, schuko to 16A red (with 10A grounded adaptors for UK, Denmark, Swiss and Italy) and a 16A red 25m extension cord to go onto the tesla charger.
Before charging just check the max output of the outlet(switchboard) or adapter and adjust your Tesla's charge speed to those amps in the car before plugging in (with 8A you are always safe any connections mentioned before so if you are not in a hurry your fine).
This year I charged on the grounded 13A dishwasher outlet in my Danish holiday home as the public chargers (on Bornholm, where there is only 1 50kW fast charger on the whole island) where over €0,50 per kW (some over over €1) while that "only" cost €0,38.
Instead of the expensive juice booster (nice product if you are not handy with electricity) you can also make all types of CEE cables yourself to map to your red (or blue) 16A tesla charger.
I did so for less then 250 euro including cables and all plugs from 32A red and blue to 16A red, 16A red and blue to 16A red, schuko to 16A red (with 10A grounded adaptors for UK, Denmark, Swiss and Italy) and a 16A red 25m extension cord to go onto the tesla charger.
Before charging just check the max output of the outlet(switchboard) or adapter and adjust your Tesla's charge speed to those amps in the car before plugging in (with 8A you are always safe any connections mentioned before so if you are not in a hurry your fine).
This year I charged on the grounded 13A dishwasher outlet in my Danish holiday home as the public chargers (on Bornholm, where there is only 1 50kW fast charger on the whole island) where over €0,50 per kW (some over over €1) while that "only" cost €0,38.