Ben Hogan's Magic Moves | Backswing
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![BEN HOGAN GOLF SWING LESSONS [The Ben Hogan Backswing]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MPNLxFC_8Zg/mqdefault.jpg)
Well done Eric. Clear and easy to see. Perfect for an 85yr. old golfer to implement. Wish I could have seen this many years ago . Many thanks.
Thanks, Russ!
Man this is my back swing to a tee, had many people try and get me above my shoulders but I have always been better just below shoulder height, makes me feel better that my back swing can work
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Another great one Eric! That’s exactly what I’ve been working on with the help of you and Steve. This has really helped using this backswing along with a setup that puts the hands on the inside of left thigh with the shaft and left arm in a straight line. I’ve found that by using these two techniques has somehow made it easier for the downswing to come from the inside. Another bonus is that it has helped with early extension. It seems to automatically help in shallowing the downswing without having to manipulate your arms to achieve the same thing. 👍👊
Love it! Thanks for the kind words, John!
I'm too steep. I must give this a try. Makes perfect sense and more online thru the shot. Thank you Eric.
You got it, John! hope it serves you well!
Saturday at the golf course I was pulling my approach shots to the left. I think it’s because at 5’8” I was going too high with my hands in the backswing. I’ve been focused on bending at the knees a half inch lower so that I can dramatically feel my weight on my left side. Surrendering control to my left side creates a much more dynamic rotation in the downswing. So with high hands I was coming across the ball and pulling to the left. With lower hands I can better externally rotate my right elbow and hit through the ball.
Excellent Eric. I like the checkpoints very much. Anxious to try.
hope it helps!
Fabulous video, am trying to incorporate this in my backswing, feels far more powerful to me.
Thank you! Nice!!
Great stuff EC, well thought out, well explained, and spot on for erstwhile arm lifters like me.
Appreciate it!
Why doesn't anyone talk about this! Such a great video! I'm wondering, what are the negatives of just taking it inside all the way?
Thanks :)
Usually you get an equal and opposite effect on the way down from the forces you put on the club in the backswing. So if you go too under going back lots will go to "over" coming down. Best to try and stay right on plane if you can
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Love the Hogan analysis videos. Thanks for sharing, Eric.
Appreciate it!
Great video, I try to tuck my elbow into my side to help from coming over the top. Thanks
Thanks Eric!👊
S&T is certainly not for everybody BUT man when I stick to these concepts or lower and around and the other videos you have done with Steve boy do things go less sideways. Thanks for the video Eric!
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This was really good.!! Thanks.
Thank you, Vincent!
Swing looks very compact will give it a try
hope it helps!
Eric: In your slow motion explanations of the Hogan swing your hands are lower in the backswing (flatter) than when you demonstrate it at full velocity. Here you revert back to what looks like your standard swing with arms higher across the chest. Why?
Old habits :)
Sometimes I lift too much when I dont complete my backswing turn....thats a flaw of mine I need to keep an eye on
Hi Eric, my son and I (UK) both love your videos, thank you!! Seems to me that in order to mimick this beautiful swing, especially keeping the trail elbow pointing to the ground in the backswing, one needs to have the back of the lead hand pointing to the sky throughout, which will then surely then fan the clubface open?? I just can't see how getting the hands behind the trail shoulder can result in anything else, or am I missing something here plse?
Many thanks
Andrew
Thanks, Andrew!
If I'm understanding you correctly the issue here is your thinking of the lead arm/elbow.
If the right elbow points more down (external) you do that INDEPENDENT of the left arm/shoulder.
So the lead shoulder should stay DOWN and left elbow toward the ground as well.
Likely when you are making your right shoulder point down (external) you are lifting left shoulder and making left elbow point away....thats no good.
Hope that helps
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@@CogornoGolf
Hi Eric, thanks for the response! However, I'm moreso referring to Ben's trail elbow here. In other words, and as we know, it's quite a flat backswing, but in order to get the hands behind the trail shoulder in the backswing, surely you've got to keep the TRAIL elbow pointing down throughout?
In order to achieve above, and keep backswing flat, will there not be some lead forearm rotation in said backswing?
Thanks again
Andrew
Hey Andrew!
You would not need to keep the elbow down (external) to get the depth.
You could have the elbow(humerus) more out (internal) and still have plenty of depth (hands behind shouldeR) with trail shoulder retraction.
OF course there will be SOME forearm rotation.
I'm still not sure I'm 100% understanding or explaining well but hope that helps :)
Working on just this right now. I've listened to too many pros telling me my hands have to be higher, if I do that it is a death sentence - I CANNOT get my arms dropping inside. To be honest, I'm kinda upset that I've wasted so many years listening to bad swing thoughts that have brought me further away from my old baseball swing which suited me best.
Hey Matt! Hope you got back on track my friend.
I don't think there is a one size fits in terms of top of swing, but certainly if you found a way that works good for you I wouldn't deviate too far!
@@CogornoGolf Thanks Eric I'll keep working at it. The feeling of bringing my hands low, and keeping the clubface pointed down, and letting the clubhead drop down behind me with a bowed left wrist, And turning through the shot (say that 5 times fast) is going to need a "couple" more buckets to feel right.
Right on, brother.! I wasted a year trying to develop more power using a higher swing plane and all it did was increase dispersion. A flat swing plane works far better for me! You just have to learn how to twist the palm down on the downswing to create lag and square the face to the target while shifting the weight forward, or you will slice every time
Terrific instruction Eric.
Appreciate it Peter!
Great lesson today!
Thanks, Doug!
Good vid. Can you maybe also do an analysis of Colin Montgomerie? I feel that his swing does not get enough attention, that it is so much about these newer guys swinging more like a correct robot.
That would be a fun one...he certainly had some interesting moves and ways to make them work!
I’m confused about which modification to use for the driver and long irons, is it with the right arm straighter and right elbow higher to give more depth?
Thats ONE option Ralph yes.....your body should continuing turning longer the longer the club so the hands/butt of club should continue moving more UP and BACK
Excellent tip..ty
Thanks, Jerry!
Eric, when you go from higher to lower, does your shoulder plane change or is it just the arm plane?
Hey Samuel!
Could be either or both.
Shoulders tilted 90* to back line
Left arm around shoulder plane
Those are good checkpoints to start with
@@CogornoGolf Thanks!
Hi in relation to the ball where should the eyes aim or focus with the irons they said about an inch in front of the ball. Where should the eyes look with the woods and the hybrids ❤️👍🏾⛳️
I would keep the eyes ON the ball for all clubs
Thanks 👍🏾⛳️
It seems that by keeping your hands low, the swing gets shorter is that true. Thanks
Hey Jose!
Lower hands pre sets the wrists more hinged.....but I haven't seen a 1:1 correlation with swing length either way
Thx Eric 👊🏼
Our pleasure!👊
I took video of myself at the range and saw that I was way too high at the top of the backswing which caused an over the top swing. I came across this video, and the hands over the toe line at club parallel was my wtf!? Moment because I know my hands have never been in that position at club parallel. I took another vid with hands over toes and I was on f$&@ing plane!!! I will take this to the range and put it into practice tomorrow, I’ll report back with results.
Update: instant results! I was able to stay on plane and make way better contact. Was hitting my 7 iron 180-190 consistently, no slices or pulls.
Hope this helps ya!
This may be a good one for you as well:
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@@CogornoGolf perfect, thanks man, you earned a new subscriber.
Stupid comment maybe, but with driver for example, I feel its easier to have the hands high and then just let them fall as I start the downswing with my hips/lower body. If the driver gets on a too flat angle I often block the ball and the shaft feels harder to work on a more flat angle. Maybe IM doing something wrong.
Hey Hansi!
That can work...there are certainly lots of world class players who go higher and like that better. No issues if that works best for you!
Hi Eric what's your opinion on the stack and tilt system.....
Hey Rodney!
I have seen nothing but great golf swings from the students of stack and tilt coaches I know.
So I don't really care about theory or hearsay...I care about results.
@@CogornoGolf
Thanks as always for you honesty....
Your right palm stays up at impact or closing at impact towards release?
Hey John! It should close....pronation. I talk about that in detail here: ruclips.net/video/Kcr0qREfUzg/видео.html
I like the arms lower than the shoulder and deeper.
That works for a lot of people!
Great option. Just keep the backswing low and you can just go swing through. No need for the upright modern pro rerouting stuff.
Agreed!
I do agree with you. The external rotation of the right arm was his magic move. But man that is hard to match up and I wouldn't reccomend it.
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if you all really want to understand hogans swing type in christopher hudson it might change your ball striking
Phew! My arms were lower and hands deeper but my club pro has now got me steeper. Confused...
It depends on how you transition on your down swing. If you drop your hands during your down swing, you are probably getting stuck and push or flip you shots. Therefore your club pro have you go higher so it allows you to drop your hands in the slot. Hogan doesn’t drop his hand, he takes back and rotates through with his hips as his hands are already bin the slot. Another term for a single plane swing. It’s meant to be simpler.
Interesting. My swing is flat as well and my golf coach advised me NOT to change it.
You can hear a thousand different theories and techniques on the internet. Pick one and stick with it. If you trust your club pro, I would listen to him because he is seeing your swing and giving specific advice for you.
Hey Martin!
I do not think there is a one sized fits all approach but the checkpoints I gave in this video and throughout all of our backswing videos are a good starting point!
I thought Mike Malaska told you using check points was not a good idea?
Hey William!
I don't think so. Checkpoints are the GOLD....the point is you want to hit those IN MOTION!
But its okay to learn those motions statically then add motion later
Is this also true. If you have a low or FLAT backswing, YOUR ALREADY SHALLOW?! No need to shallow the club any further
That's a nice way to do it! We made a video on that topic here!
ruclips.net/video/IH0QkFVeVzA/видео.html
True, just make sure not to steepen
Eric, love your videos but this one confuses me. Seems like it's inconsistent with a your video I watched a few weeks ago titled
"No More Flat Backswing Or Over The Top Downswing". If you suffer from too much over the top wouldn't you want to "do the opposite" like you describe in that video Vs. trying to get shallow on the back swing? I realize you probably can't go wrong emulating Ben.
Thanks for the videos!
Chuck
Hey Chuck!
Sorry for any confusion.
That video was about the SHAFT
This video is about the LEAD ARM.
You don't want the SHAFT too flat on the way back but you want some ARM depth!
Hope that helps!
@@CogornoGolf thanks Eric makes sense.
Here are the main issue with golf. Most people are not flexible or athletic/strong. Hogan was. Most people try to hit the ball using their arms, not their body. This imprints an initial flight on the ball. They then spend decades fighting that initial imprint with more mistakes that makes them inconsistent. The old adage of the easier you swing the further i goes, is the ONLY rule that should ever be taught and remembered. If you want to hit it further, you need to just speed up the lower body, not the upper body! People ask me, "how can I hit it further" I give them some strength and flexibility tests. If they fail those I say, "you cant until you fix those issues"
Appreciate you watching!
Man, telling tour average golfer to get the hands lower at the top is a death sentence.
Thanks for your feedback Craig!
Such a shame coaches have to justify certain movements and positions Professionals get into cause some idiot in the comments will say “Well Matt Wolff has a certain club path why can’t I”. Haha.
The reason being he is talented and works hard and most of us play a few times a week and practice for about 10 minutes then smash driver for 30 minutes!
RUclips and golf videos should never compare us average golfers to Professionals EVER!
And if you are watching this then for sure your above a 10 handicap with some exceptions of course!
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My natural swing I didn’t realize it lol
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All of that makes sense but I’m not sure ppl take into account Hogan was 5’9”. I would think the taller you are the more it wouldn’t work for you…. Just sayin🤷♂️
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Shorter people swung flatter because standard length clubs were too long.
Hey Matt! Thats definitely a variable!
You say keep your hand lower than your shoulder but when you swing, your hands are higher. Just saying.
I agree!
Keep in mind Ben's clubs had incredibly flat lie angles by today's standards . At least 8 degrees flat in the irons and over 12 degrees flat in the driver.
Trying this with modern lie angles will be trainwreck.
I happen to think modern lie angles are far too upright and there is an explanatory history why that is not good.
Flatter lie angles go straighter. Anyone know why? It's yet another non intuitive thing in golf....
Yep-Good point!
Bradley Hughes believes flatter lie angles are best.
@@guitar1950 And he's correct.
Absolutely correct. You really need at least 3° flat to begin with.
Your interlock grip does not work with. Hogan takeaway
Thanks for your feedback and for watching the channel!
I don't mean to be rude. I think your over explaining and under demonstrating. Your losing your audience focus.
Thanks for the feedback Robert!