it's really not that bad if you just want to beat the campaign and have fun, poe1 frogs just make it seem intimidating to others because they want to feel smart while they follow their softcore build guides
@@DoNotFearTheReapa I mean, discover an extremely niche interaction from the forums and making a build out of it does make me feel smart. Warcry stacking spider necro back from 3.10 was insane
I think people overlook stun threshold stat, Unwavering Stance is likely meant for shield characters, since incoming damage while blocking builds up stun. If there's an item or skill that allows to block even red attacks, this might be really good.
Looking at Avatar of Fire the orientation of dmg conversion os different now, poe1 is:phys>elem>chaos, poe1 is any direction, so you can convert chaos back to fire, or probably other elements or even phys.
"Cannot be stunned" cannot exist with active block. Also, they think I won't Path all the way to Vaal Pact on my Blood Mage? You underestimate my autism, GGG!
Unwavering stance - there will still be skills you can use to move away from attacks. You'd just have to be sure to avoid it completely and not need the i frame and you'd have to use a skill slot if you don't already have a usable skill already in your build. But with high life too your stun threshold would be silly.
very astute observation of urs. mind enliughtening me on how the fuck ur gonna get a significant amount of es when u are building 800 strength for ur weapons? dumb ass?
unwavering stance isn't bad if you are sword and board. It basically doubles amount you can block with no downside (you aren't gonna dodge roll anyways) Even an 80IQ andy could see thats what it's for.
i love how quin was arguing about attribute requriements when you could have opened any poe2 gameplay and looked at an item ingame and he would have seen a flat number like in poe 1 xD
the thing im thinking is, what are the str requirements for those top base two handed maces... it just sounds way too powerful for there to not be a big downside. and where do you get that strength from? you might need t1 strength on every piece of gear, speccing out of damage clusters and going for attribute nodes etc.. or you sacrifice the top bases for mid tier bases with good rolls?
Gemling 2handed swords for weapon switch. Because gemling is also high strength attribute class. Swords are 50/50 str dex requirement. I might go witchhunter first then gemling on late game. Like i did to deadeye to warden ascendancy because 2x tinctures is OP.
@Drogash the thing is it would be hard to play melee first on this game early on. Remember there is no 6 portals on map. They did a survey on what class die the most on poe2 test, monk rank the highest warrior is 2nd. Monk though is the coolest.
For blood magic, we'll have to see the life to mana ratio. If % hp regen is enough to cover the cost of a 6-link attack, blood magic will be a no-brainer. No need to invest in mana at all on gear and passives saves some affixes and points for something else. On the site that shows skill gems, an attack like sunder is 44 mana at level 12, so let's say 88 with support gem cost multipliers. 88 health each attack, with at least 2 or 3 attack per seconds is around 176 to 264 health lost per second. This is 5 to 7% of a 4000-6000HP health bar for a level 12 gem. A level 20 might cost a lot more. I guess we'll see once we have more data.
well youll just have to get leech from somewhere if it really cant be solved with just regen. Im excited to see how leech will feel with the base duration being 1 second now
This kinda sucks, it would have been much more fun to watch Quin play the game blind for the first time. Like it's just early access, who cares about solving the game before release? Imagine if Quin saw all of these things for the first time when he started the game up instead. Mathil is just playing D2R and not caring one bit about learning PoE2 until release. Sorry but that'll be so much more fun to watch.
I mean, first thing I'm gonna do in the game is spend hours reading the tree. So I could start Dec 6th, or start now. Prefer now. Quinn probably the same.
I mean better now than sit for hours stalling on launch looking at the tree. I know most will anyway and tree / skill gems aren't really huge spoilers. Looking at boss guides / uniques and other guides I would consider spoiling yourself.
abount giants blood quin looks at poe1 items where the highest are arround baselevel 69 we saw some crossbows preview with a base level of 93 needing like 300dex or some shit so these will be alot harder too equip with this note
Can you dual wield a sceptre with a 1H assuming you have the attributes for both? If so a gemling merc could stack strength and take giants blood for a 2H in one hand and a sceptre in the other. Or am I being autistic.
Lol theres already so much I dont get. Bro said I'd prefer a hot style flask... like I'm taking overleech. Wtf is overleech? And I like ele equalibriam. That's fun to think about lol that reworded from poe1 and more understandable. Right away, I guess something like explosive arrow is going to want on hit cold damage... that inflicts fire exposure for the explosion. In poe, just 1 spell inflicts exposure to the other 2 elements as far as I know so you want any onhit element other than fire. Actually, I guess that more restrictive in poe 2 because you can only have frost on hit.... or I guess maybe you want cold and lightening still cause the lightening damage will buff the on hit cold damage of the next shot.... GGG is so good at making games Lol
I am really confused about how attributes work, there is supposed to be a Cap on how many support gems of each type you can use based on your attributes, so it's confused that Using a Red Skill gem Gives you 5 Strength...... because then gems you had equipped would be self for filling it's own requirements wouldn't it...?? that just seems strange to me... And having to have 880 strength seems out of hand.... .. I mean we don't know numbers but thats every node being strength, every gem ( if they contribute to strength ) being red... every armor stacking strength, and now.... you have no room for Dex or Int and you'll really suffer for trying to Gem your gear appropriately given u can only have 1of each type on your character at once..
It seems out of hand because you're comparing it to PoE1 attribute values. Maybe attributes on gear go much higher. We don't know what the numbers are relative to. I do have some degree of confidence that attributes won't be as restrictive as you might be implying, because then the gemling legionare ascendancy just seems insanely more versatile than all the others
So it must be the case that we can't swap between keystones with weapon set points, right? There's no way Vaal Pact would be on the tree in that form if you could turn it on and off. Way too powerful.
I have to assume leech is still hard capped to 20% of your life per second. Old Vaal pact was busted because leech was uncapped so you could regen your whole health every server tick.
he based his idea on needing str for both weapons on what the guy said, and what was listed as the highest str requirement for a 2handed weapon that we know about. the guy said it would require 850+ str to dual wield the highest tier 2 handed maces, and the highest we have seen so far in poe2 is 220(?). this would only require 440 str, so why did the guy say 850+? so, its either the system has changed, or this guy doesnt know what hes talking about.
They might only have unintentionally summed up the doubled attribute requirements, it happens by mistake and that needs to be clarified. In a way it is simply a base "100% increased attribute requirement", dual wielding attribute requirements in principle works the same as in current POE.
Honestly in this case I think it should be a combined stat requirement. Just doubling and taking the highest of the two doesn't make sense and honestly it's not even really a downside.
If you check on POE2DB the highest level item I can see is a staff with a 205 INT requirement. So we can guess on that item, the highest weapon stat for STR is around 205 or higher. If you take Giant's blood expect to need around 500 STR on maces.
@@OrionDuCrosthey are additive for gems, i doubt that they are additive for gear, otherwise you would need to get like 500 of each stat to just equip all gear on your character
@@OrionDuCros It would make no sense for weapon attribute requirement to be added together before the multiplier The way keystone is phrased, you'd expect for weapons to have double attribute requirement, I don't know where this dude got 4x Your character needs to be twice as strong to be able to hold 2h weapon in one hand, whether you dual wield or not doesn't matter - if one of his arms is strong enough to do it, the other one should be equally as strong. Considering that numbers in the game are squashed compared to PoE1, I just don't see the requirement totaling 800+. It's 400-ish at best.
@@OrionDuCros We can only speculate for now so we just have to wait on EA and hopefully we get a much more reasonable attribute requirements for our gear when taking this keystone.
@8:00 if a weapon needs 200 str to equip one 2hdr and for Giant's Blood you need double the strength to equip another 2H then that would be 400 Str for 1 weapon thus 800 str total for TWO 2 handers. Edit, this is assuming the top tier weapon NEED 200 str to begin with. They may be only 100 if stats are reduced over all.
As poe HC player i must stay, poe2 looks simplier for dummies.... Looks like for dumb D4 people, no flasks, no crafting ur gear (links, sockets, etc.). They just trying make game more accessable... Whole name and "new game" is also only marketing move. Its like new seasson (just look at all keystones 90% of them are at poe1) LOL.
The point is to get rid of the over-complex mechanics while keeping the depth. So you get to the same end point but cutting off all the convoluted stuff. That way the game difficulty can move from setting up your character because of the over the top complexity, to actual gameplay.
I love how you cite links and sockets as "complexity" Really need to ponder a lot whether I want my chest with 5 sockets and 4 links or 6 sockets and 6 links Thank god I found an exel spreadsheet explaining this stuff or I would be lost!
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awwww yes, moar blind knowledge to the list
The guy in chat spamming what about making a unique that makes roll a blink as if it wasn’t allready in the game… 😂 bro didn’t watch the reveal vod
chat truly reflects the streamer.
I have a feeling 2Hander + Shield is going to be WAY better for Giants Blood then people realize.
Hammer of Gods Ignite will be a thing so we´ll see...
Two Handed energy Blade with huge ES Shield
seems like playing this new arpg is like joining a cult
it's really not that bad if you just want to beat the campaign and have fun, poe1 frogs just make it seem intimidating to others because they want to feel smart while they follow their softcore build guides
@@DoNotFearTheReapa I mean, discover an extremely niche interaction from the forums and making a build out of it does make me feel smart. Warcry stacking spider necro back from 3.10 was insane
Huh?
The cult is casual Diablo dads who insist Diablo 4 is the best game ever. Fits right in with their 420 hour work-week.
This is definitely a cult, once you are in, you won’t be able to leave
I think people overlook stun threshold stat, Unwavering Stance is likely meant for shield characters, since incoming damage while blocking builds up stun. If there's an item or skill that allows to block even red attacks, this might be really good.
Looking at Avatar of Fire the orientation of dmg conversion os different now, poe1 is:phys>elem>chaos, poe1 is any direction, so you can convert chaos back to fire, or probably other elements or even phys.
"Cannot be stunned" cannot exist with active block.
Also, they think I won't Path all the way to Vaal Pact on my Blood Mage? You underestimate my autism, GGG!
13:52 - Yay I made it into the video! :D
Unwavering stance - there will still be skills you can use to move away from attacks. You'd just have to be sure to avoid it completely and not need the i frame and you'd have to use a skill slot if you don't already have a usable skill already in your build. But with high life too your stun threshold would be silly.
Dreamcore making 20 videos about passive tree nodes is so funny
Hes goated in this phase of EA
Quin playing poe for 50years and still can't read 2 lines of text is amazing. 22:20
2 2-hands weapon + Instant leech + life regen over es, sound solid
very astute observation of urs. mind enliughtening me on how the fuck ur gonna get a significant amount of es when u are building 800 strength for ur weapons? dumb ass?
Avatar Of Fire is an amazing option for Sorceress and Withch-Infernalist ascendancy.
I really hope we can get to that.
I feel like we will get either a unique item or a unique gem that will let you get avatar of fire
@@joshdangit1612 I really hope so. Also hope there are some charms that add damage.
The items that replaced 3 flasks. Under the belt.
22:15 didnt boneshatter inflict a damage debuff on yourself? wouldnt that be a great node
Gotta get those papi chaos zwei handers, big pp
Guys guys TwoHanded Energy Blade with huge ES Shield offhand 👀
unwavering stance isn't bad if you are sword and board. It basically doubles amount you can block with no downside (you aren't gonna dodge roll anyways)
Even an 80IQ andy could see thats what it's for.
Alberons has "Deal no, non-chaos damage" it would be like putting brutality on elemental build :D
i love how quin was arguing about attribute requriements when you could have opened any poe2 gameplay and looked at an item ingame and he would have seen a flat number like in poe 1 xD
Gemling with duel wielding 2 two-handers might be the way
the thing im thinking is, what are the str requirements for those top base two handed maces... it just sounds way too powerful for there to not be a big downside. and where do you get that strength from? you might need t1 strength on every piece of gear, speccing out of damage clusters and going for attribute nodes etc.. or you sacrifice the top bases for mid tier bases with good rolls?
Gemling 2handed swords for weapon switch. Because gemling is also high strength attribute class. Swords are 50/50 str dex requirement.
I might go witchhunter first then gemling on late game. Like i did to deadeye to warden ascendancy because 2x tinctures is OP.
i was thinking more like a Gemling Warrior and not going crossbow end game build somthing to respec into and try out
I'm really liking the gemling lore too. insane
@Drogash the thing is it would be hard to play melee first on this game early on. Remember there is no 6 portals on map. They did a survey on what class die the most on poe2 test, monk rank the highest warrior is 2nd. Monk though is the coolest.
Where can i copy his notes?🤣
For blood magic, we'll have to see the life to mana ratio. If % hp regen is enough to cover the cost of a 6-link attack, blood magic will be a no-brainer. No need to invest in mana at all on gear and passives saves some affixes and points for something else.
On the site that shows skill gems, an attack like sunder is 44 mana at level 12, so let's say 88 with support gem cost multipliers. 88 health each attack, with at least 2 or 3 attack per seconds is around 176 to 264 health lost per second. This is 5 to 7% of a 4000-6000HP health bar for a level 12 gem. A level 20 might cost a lot more. I guess we'll see once we have more data.
well youll just have to get leech from somewhere if it really cant be solved with just regen. Im excited to see how leech will feel with the base duration being 1 second now
I've been thinking of gemling legionaire giants blood dince day 1 but now that Quin is doing it I feel like it will be trash
Would it allow you to use a 2H in one hand and a sceptre in the other? 🦴
Does avatar of fire also convert poison and chaos degen? And bleed?
This kinda sucks, it would have been much more fun to watch Quin play the game blind for the first time.
Like it's just early access, who cares about solving the game before release? Imagine if Quin saw all of these things for the first time when he started the game up instead.
Mathil is just playing D2R and not caring one bit about learning PoE2 until release. Sorry but that'll be so much more fun to watch.
People have different ways to enjoy stuff, you do you
I get that. But to be honest. As soon as he starts rhe game he can just open up the tree and look at all this anyway.
I mean, first thing I'm gonna do in the game is spend hours reading the tree. So I could start Dec 6th, or start now. Prefer now. Quinn probably the same.
I mean better now than sit for hours stalling on launch looking at the tree. I know most will anyway and tree / skill gems aren't really huge spoilers. Looking at boss guides / uniques and other guides I would consider spoiling yourself.
abount giants blood quin looks at poe1 items where the highest are arround baselevel 69 we saw some crossbows preview with a base level of 93 needing like 300dex or some shit so these will be alot harder too equip with this note
Unwavering Stance = No Roll Gameplay ❤
L rolling
Can you dual wield a sceptre with a 1H assuming you have the attributes for both? If so a gemling merc could stack strength and take giants blood for a 2H in one hand and a sceptre in the other. Or am I being autistic.
Asmongold would never take these off lmao
Is Dreamcore Mark Roberts?
Lol theres already so much I dont get. Bro said I'd prefer a hot style flask... like I'm taking overleech. Wtf is overleech? And I like ele equalibriam. That's fun to think about lol that reworded from poe1 and more understandable. Right away, I guess something like explosive arrow is going to want on hit cold damage... that inflicts fire exposure for the explosion. In poe, just 1 spell inflicts exposure to the other 2 elements as far as I know so you want any onhit element other than fire. Actually, I guess that more restrictive in poe 2 because you can only have frost on hit.... or I guess maybe you want cold and lightening still cause the lightening damage will buff the on hit cold damage of the next shot....
GGG is so good at making games Lol
There better be a build with dual wielding 2h axes..
of course
I am really confused about how attributes work, there is supposed to be a Cap on how many support gems of each type you can use based on your attributes, so it's confused that Using a Red Skill gem Gives you 5 Strength...... because then gems you had equipped would be self for filling it's own requirements wouldn't it...?? that just seems strange to me...
And having to have 880 strength seems out of hand.... .. I mean we don't know numbers but thats every node being strength, every gem ( if they contribute to strength ) being red... every armor stacking strength, and now.... you have no room for Dex or Int and you'll really suffer for trying to Gem your gear appropriately given u can only have 1of each type on your character at once..
It seems out of hand because you're comparing it to PoE1 attribute values. Maybe attributes on gear go much higher. We don't know what the numbers are relative to. I do have some degree of confidence that attributes won't be as restrictive as you might be implying, because then the gemling legionare ascendancy just seems insanely more versatile than all the others
Gems do not give you +5, they're summing +5 to requirement to equip next gem of the same colour
So it must be the case that we can't swap between keystones with weapon set points, right? There's no way Vaal Pact would be on the tree in that form if you could turn it on and off. Way too powerful.
I believe Jonathan talked about this and you're right, it'd be too powerful with keystones so you cannot allocate them with those points.
yea you can't swap keystones with the points
I have to assume leech is still hard capped to 20% of your life per second. Old Vaal pact was busted because leech was uncapped so you could regen your whole health every server tick.
I hope 😈 form can be permanent😂
If weapon A requires 440 Str and the other requires 400 Str, you only need to satisfy the 440 Str requirement to equip both.
he based his idea on needing str for both weapons on what the guy said, and what was listed as the highest str requirement for a 2handed weapon that we know about. the guy said it would require 850+ str to dual wield the highest tier 2 handed maces, and the highest we have seen so far in poe2 is 220(?). this would only require 440 str, so why did the guy say 850+? so, its either the system has changed, or this guy doesnt know what hes talking about.
In poe 1
They might only have unintentionally summed up the doubled attribute requirements, it happens by mistake and that needs to be clarified.
In a way it is simply a base "100% increased attribute requirement", dual wielding attribute requirements in principle works the same as in current POE.
Honestly in this case I think it should be a combined stat requirement. Just doubling and taking the highest of the two doesn't make sense and honestly it's not even really a downside.
You better not start with my build.
what's your build?
no one talking about Pantheon tf?!
If you check on POE2DB the highest level item I can see is a staff with a 205 INT requirement. So we can guess on that item, the highest weapon stat for STR is around 205 or higher. If you take Giant's blood expect to need around 500 STR on maces.
Since dream core said 850, attribute requirements might be additive so you would need 205 for one and 205 more for another, doubled is 810.
@@OrionDuCrosthey are additive for gems, i doubt that they are additive for gear, otherwise you would need to get like 500 of each stat to just equip all gear on your character
@@OrionDuCros It would make no sense for weapon attribute requirement to be added together before the multiplier
The way keystone is phrased, you'd expect for weapons to have double attribute requirement, I don't know where this dude got 4x
Your character needs to be twice as strong to be able to hold 2h weapon in one hand, whether you dual wield or not doesn't matter - if one of his arms is strong enough to do it, the other one should be equally as strong. Considering that numbers in the game are squashed compared to PoE1, I just don't see the requirement totaling 800+. It's 400-ish at best.
@@OrionDuCros We can only speculate for now so we just have to wait on EA and hopefully we get a much more reasonable attribute requirements for our gear when taking this keystone.
@8:00 if a weapon needs 200 str to equip one 2hdr and for Giant's Blood you need double the strength to equip another 2H then that would be 400 Str for 1 weapon thus 800 str total for TWO 2 handers. Edit, this is assuming the top tier weapon NEED 200 str to begin with. They may be only 100 if stats are reduced over all.
No, it is a requirement not a cost. It would still be 400
Doesn’t work that way, it’d still be 400 str as far as we know
it doubles the initial requirement, it doesn't double every time you equip a 2 handed weapon on each hand lol
Crazy how dumb people are about this. We have 0 reason to think it will be doubled again for the second weapon equipped. Lol
LMAO WHAT? you mean if it needs 200 str it needs 400. period. end of story. the 2nd one also 400. lmao bro did u even play poe before holy shit
D4 BAD
As poe HC player i must stay, poe2 looks simplier for dummies.... Looks like for dumb D4 people, no flasks, no crafting ur gear (links, sockets, etc.). They just trying make game more accessable... Whole name and "new game" is also only marketing move. Its like new seasson (just look at all keystones 90% of them are at poe1) LOL.
Dumb take and entirely factually wrong.
The point is to get rid of the over-complex mechanics while keeping the depth. So you get to the same end point but cutting off all the convoluted stuff. That way the game difficulty can move from setting up your character because of the over the top complexity, to actual gameplay.
I love how you cite links and sockets as "complexity"
Really need to ponder a lot whether I want my chest with 5 sockets and 4 links or 6 sockets and 6 links
Thank god I found an exel spreadsheet explaining this stuff or I would be lost!
@@lori977 getting a four link but shit colours while leveling, knowledge diff I guess? idk what jiri was thinking
You're correct. They want to bring in the casuals.