Thank you, PJ and Tony. I'm glad to hear that AD is not bending the knee. I knew if we were talking about the original AD, there would be no way they would agree to this. I am so glad that the vision is still as it was before Ilco bought AD. #Lockboss. I feel much better knowing AD is on our side as locksmiths... #Lockboss
I might just be an advanced diag user next week. I like that response. No doubt, their tool is the best, there is a price to pay for that. But their tool just works.
Thank you AD! NASTF booted me and I didn’t appreciate how they ran audit on my company tracking my IP when I was on vacation and my customers needed keys and I shared keycodes with subcontractor. They suggested I make my subcontractors be a W-2 employee or to have someone at shop login and report the form. You can’t do that with a one person shop. And we need vacations. There rules are too Strict and it forces extra admin work that I don’t have time for. The positives I’m now more skilled than ever w/o NASTF🎉
Yea, I could go out of town and hand my phone over to a trusted locksmith friend, make the necessary steps to get the job done so the customer is serviced. If the customer's car gets stolen, I would be dealing with the police, insurance, lawsuit and reputatiion clean-up, not NASTF. At some point it's all about money.
Fantastic video by CLK. Finger on the pulse of the industry subject. I really appreciate you taking the time to use RUclips as a platform to talk with industry professionals about current relevant questions. Thank you. #LockBoss
Thank you, PJ and Tony for discussing this. I'll admit that I got a NASTF account as an all keys lost backup while I learned lishi, but with my 2 year period/renewal coming up I've had a lot of internal debate if there's a big enough ROI to cough up another 2 years. #Lockboss
@eurowerx4267 that's not a sound reason. Just because i may be able to afford it, doesn't mean it's a good investment if the return on investment doesn't justify it.
I just want to fix cars as a hobby. Flashing modules using j2534 is something I occasionally have to do to get stuff to work. NASFT would put an end to my work, stuff would have to be sent out to the dealer for items like PCM reflashing. I am not going to get licensed, carry insurance, and pay $500 for a login.
Trust me there are alot of us in the same situation. I've been going back and forth with many tool manufacturers and there are options out there. Just have to wait and see who joins first as tool manufacturers and nastf are keeping a tight lip on who is joining and who is not. Meanwhile new aftermarket tools are rolling out in Europe and be here soon that does the same job, that means these big firms are.going to lose a lot of income while some small firm from across the world will make millions in the first few months.
I’m not a locksmith I’m just a hobby lock picker, but I enjoy these videos that give a little insight into what having a locksmith business is like and the various day to day topics of discussion amongst locksmiths. This guest was great! Another great video, PJ! #Lockboss
I don’t think any toolmaker will say if they will be applying the nastf vsp- imagine how much sales they will lose if they say they are going on board with it
@IowaLockDoc I have been looking to buy a new key programmer. After watching this, it looks as though my next programmer will be a Smart Pro. Let's just hope AD stands their ground and doesn't cave.
@shawncovert751 it'll take a while for all of this to take hold, but my guess is four to five years. This is step one. Step two is to verify users to weed out criminal use. Eventually, every time a key is added, all keys lost...whatever, they'll want a record for your service. Name, rank and serial number provided with the VIN and a transaction code and other details (GPS location, etc) before you are allowed to proceed. This way you can be held liable if the duplication is used for unlawful purpose. Follow the money and I'm sure you'll find an insurance company and a lawyer in deep conversation.
@@shawncovert751This is step one. Step two is to verify users to weed out criminal use. Eventually, every time a key is added, all keys lost...whatever, they'll want a record for your service. Name, rank and serial number provided with the VIN and a transaction code and other details (GPS location, etc) before you are allowed to proceed. This way you can be held liable if the duplication is used for unlawful purpose.
Thanks a lot for this video! I was truly worried about what can I do for keeping my business growing but with this NASTF thing complicate it more! But thanks for SmartPro, I will buy one programmer
Great video - a thanks to PJ, the CLK team, and especially Tony. Guess my plans on buying a smart pro later this year is going to be moved up a few months. Just wish to know if APP is planning on doing. #LockBoss
#Lockboss. Always enjoy your videos, and I look to watching for your videos on Thursday, Sunday and especially Tuesday. I don’t do automotive but it is good to be aware of what is going on in the industry. We really appreciate you and all of CLK how you really care about us and the industry! Thank you #Lockboss !
Im glad AD did this video. I wish the other key programming manufacturers like Autel, Xhorse, and others will let us know. If they will participate in the program or not in a timely manner and not just spring it on us at the last moment. #LockBoss
It is considered a voluntary agreement. I would think Autel would follow the crowd of AD. Unfortunately, we will have to watch and wait. Most importantly, vote with your money. Whoever bends the knee, don't renew and don't buy another
This is step one. Step two is to verify users to weed out criminal use. Eventually, every time a key is added, all keys lost...whatever, they'll want a record for your service. Name, rank and serial number provided with the VIN and a transaction code and other details (GPS location, etc) before you are allowed to proceed. This way you can be held liable if the duplication is used for unlawful purpose.
I believe Autel will participate as they participate in other diagnostic programs like AutoAuth, as well as their obd being a j2534 pass-through, it can connect to a laptop with dealerships software. The Chinese manufacturer pass-through devices for all the manufacturers, so I assume they will participate.
@jacobnbr11 if that the case why did kia and hyundai got hit so hard with there lack of security due to the even of the key boys. They had to find a solution if not those lawsuits will hurt them badly.
Thsnk you PJ & Tony for keeping us all informed on how NASTF is trying to extort more money from all locksmiths ... Yall keep up the good work .... #lockboss
The smart pro seems like the programmer that can do almost any vehicle or a huge number of them anyway. I hope to get busy enough with automotive to justify buying one but at the moment I’m not quite there at the moment. Good info, I’m always fully informed about any products I am thinking about buying because of the #LockBoss videos and comments from fellow locksmiths that answer any questions you may have.
Thanks, PJ and Tony. Excellent information; I don’t currently work with autos, but I have considered it. I will wait and learn more before making a decision. #Lockboss
I am considering buying a new programmer. But my question is, do I need to hold off until we know more about which companies are going to participate in the program? Also, How will this affect the programmers I already have?
I see NASTF and J2534 programming as yet another tool in my arsenal to be able to serve more customers that the aftermarket programmers have not caught up with yet. Yes, those customers with the newest vehicles will have to pay a premium to make up for extra incurred costs, but it will still be far less expensive for them than going back to the auto dealership. Thanks, PJ! #AccessLockKeyLLC #HaulinBrass #LockBoss
I appreciate your perspective. I’m a younger guy, only got into programming and calibrations a couple of years ago. I’ve developed an interest in automotive locksmithing as it is very trade adjacent so it is frightening to see that a monumental change like this is going on just as I’m looking to get started. But at the same time due to my age and experience and also lack there of, I feel I have a very progressive outlook on the future of automotive repair and I agree with your perspective. Being educated on Vehicle diagnostics/programming and immobilizer/ security work is a huge opportunity for the people lucky enough to be on the forefront especially with the future of autonomous vehicles on the horizon
Thank you guys for the info I'm a new locksmith looking to take over a 27yr plus locksmith business and news like this scares me about my future your knowledge is amazing !! #lockboss
Hey PJ, I haven't heard anyone talk about the possibility of this program enabling aftermarket tools to expand their coverage on newer cars. I made keys for a 2023 F-150, 2024 Mazda 3 and CX-30, 2023 Promaster, and a bunch of CanFD GM models last week. All of these cars required dealer software and NASTF. Seems like the aftermarket tools are not keeping up as much as they did in the past. Any thoughts? #LockBoss
I love my SmartPro, and I do have my NASTF credentials but I just want more info from NASTF on what exactly is changing and will be required in the future. Ever hopeful that business as usual continues. #lockboss
Nothing will change for you as far as NASTF goes. Some programmers are going to require a login that you already have. If you don't need any codes you will proceed as normal. If you need a code than the normal D1 needs to be filled out. It's really about which programmers are going to be involved in this. We have 2 Smart Pro's. We have many Autel's also. I am hearing Autel is going to do this. Smart Pro to me is the best programmer out there. It's not our first goto though. We use the Autel's so we don't use a token and this is kind of lazy but the Autels are easier to get out of the case. lol Run run 80 to 150 automotive locksmith calls per week. We are busy so we try and be efficient on every call. We don't even Lishi. We either use a code broker or NASTF if we need a code unless the lock comes out easy and fast.
PJ, Will you be contacting the other programmer companies to see if they will be joining with NASTF? I see this causing some key programmer tool companies to lose a lot of customers and money.
Thank you PJ and Tony. Good information! I don't like how NASFT is trying to jam it down your throat. The extra costs are going to raise everyone's prices! Seems like there are government employees working for NASTF - slowing the job down and causing extra work in order to get the job done! Always getting in the way and forcing additional cost and paperwork to everyone. They are trying to drive the little guy out of the business! #Lockboss
I will be giving NASTF and ultimatum to allow my access back or force a lawsuit on Autel to buy back all my machines if they don’t allow me back. The customers own the vehicles not the OEMs and not their decision and they are making on behalf of the vehicle owners
I'm trying to become a member and they are just making it completely impossible for me. I've been in the automotive industry 19 years. Just started getting in the keys and spent a few thousand dollars on equipment. I have a suspended driver's license and they will not accept a Pennsylvania photo ID
It will knock out the guys running around with no insurance, no locksmith license and a bad criminal history. If you're doing the newer stuff, you should already be setup with NASTF. I guess we will see how it plays out. I could see a guy in China with a work around in 2 weeks and a big run on the SmartPro's for now😁 #LOCKBOSS
This is step one. Step two is to verify users to weed out criminal use. Eventually, every time a key is added, all keys lost...whatever, they'll want a record for your service. Name, rank and serial number provided with the VIN and a transaction code and other details (GPS location, etc) before you are allowed to proceed. This way you can be held liable if the duplication is used for unlawful purpose. Follow the money and I'm sure you'll find an insurance company and a lawyer in deep conversation.
I have a California Locksmith License for Over 25 yrs, background check & required to verify vehicle ownership, pay $250 a year for my License! This profitable ( non profit) non governmental organization is blackmailing! Class action Lawsuit from us whom already have been vetted! More money charged to customers because of an illegitimate criminal organization!
If NASTF is going to go along with this BS then I won't no part of them! Who gives a rats butt if one has insurance or not or even a locksmith license? It's becoming a money pit for someone to sit behind a wall(NASTF) and come up with more stupid rules and then say it's "voluntary". That's a load of BS! I'm not going to carry a million dollar insurance policy because NASTF requires it. It's none of their business if I'm a convicted felon who paid the price and is now out trying to scratch a living. It's none of their business. All this is doing is punishing the law abiding citizen and there will always be the thieves no matter what. The cost alone that NASTF is talking about is utter BS that will have to be passed on to the customer. This sh*t already costs enough. There are certain cars that are being stolen at a higher rate than others so the car companies can fix their own problems. I'm hangning onto my carbureted vehicle and no computer for as long as I can because this crap is going too far!! Let freedom ring!
As a non Automive Locksmith I find this discussion with Tony as quite interesting and informative. I have no idea what NASTF actually stands for as a "novice" #lockboss in this area
Im a sole properietor run. Disabled vet. I cant hokd a drivers liscence. But ive been making it work since 2012. Taxi, paid drivers bus etc adapt and overcome. Advance diag. Standing with locksmiths. Im selling all my autel and switching over. Many thanks AD. Thanks Pj and CLK SUPPLIES. One of my first suppliers since 2012.
Thanks for the info! NASTF has its place, hope it’s not a money grab but I’m sure the auto manufacturers are breathing down their necks about it. #lockboss
This is step one. Step two is to verify users to weed out criminal use. Eventually, every time a key is added, all keys lost...whatever, they'll want a record for your service. Name, rank and serial number provided with the VIN and a transaction code and other details (GPS location, etc) before you are allowed to proceed. This way you can be held liable if the duplication is used for unlawful purpose. Follow the money and I'm sure you'll find an insurance company and a lawyer in deep conversation.
This is why we pay for car insurance and this is a result of our justice (injustice) system not doing their job because they are bought off by George Soros. This is a Ponzi scheme by NASTF non governmental organization not elected by the people making decisions for the people. NASTF doesn’t like locksmiths they represent the OEMs and not the people who buy the cars which is their property. Realize this is unconstitutional like a gun registry. Eventually you will be tracked and monitored and back door reported to OEMs to see how much money they are losing in the name of security. Then you will be canceled and locked out of automotive work. Just like the patriot act, nothing patriotic about it. NASTF is from Colorado one of the most liberal states run by crooks. Enforce the current laws that are actually constitutional.
I don't understand English very well, my question, doubt is: smartpro will not be affected for now or will it not be necessary to register with a locksmith license for the functions of lost keys and add keys?
Great info #lockboss From the video I watched yesterday it sounds like APP is going to go with NASTF. Doesn’t matter that much to me I guess as I’m already a NASTF VSP and have been using it at times when needed. It’s one of those things where if you need it, worse case, it’s good to have.
Glad to know they are sticking to business as usual. It might be my misunderstanding of the conversation (listening while i workout) or my distrust of alphabet agencies, but it sounds like all that is the motivation of the NASTF is greed 🤑. Most agencies like this don't want people to have the ability to be self sufficient or have an alternative to their solution. Just my opinion though #Lockboss
I have a NASTF account, some times you just need to run a VIN to get a key code. so taking out the part of having to upload data online after is great. Less work for me #Lockboss
Is autopropad and Autel lonsdor and Smartbox will be included in this program or no if someone can answer thanks pj #lockboss. I am licensed insured and I have NASTF but I’ve never used my NASTF I hate their system. It’s very confusing. Hope this programmers does not use nasfs as locksmith we already have to much headache we don’t need more
On the road to getting licensed in Oklahoma, just got the rest of my equipment from you guys. No pics yet 😢not ready. Failed my test last week to get technician. (Know I have to get manager test and application and company application as well but I already invested all of my moneys… 11k… and no going back…) But going back this week to test again. Will definitely be back with updates. Wish me luck. 😅 #LockBoss
AD: "We don't have any...a connection with NASTF" also AD: required NASTF credentials to bypass Ford alarm systems. AD: NASTF is a "sanctioned code broker" no it's not. NASTF doesn't sell the codes. NASTF gives you the ability to access information from OEMs.
AD has zero connections with NASTF, AD doesn't use NASTF servers at all. They have their own server for Ford, same with anything else that needs an online connection.
Autel was the first to sign up and then snap-on and the rest followed. I just hope the Chinese market starts stocking up because they will make millions in a few months selling tools that don't require nastf and autel and snap-on will lose quite a bit of yearly subscriptions.
Maybe I'm missing something here. I've watched a few videos on this. They're trying to make it harder for unqualified/shady people from programming security functions right? So what's the problem you all have with this?
Sounds like communism. We come so far from our founding father’s definition of property rights. OEMs want to control a citizens right to property after the citizen paid for a vehicle. They need to get back to servicing the people not tread on peoples right. Don’t forget service is where they make most of their money. This is a sneaky way for OEMs to increase their quarterly earnings. Any aftermarket programmer who wants to go along with NASTF will be put out of business due to boycott. So try it and see what happens. 😢
That's $500 i didn't plan on spending... i use lishi to figure out the cuts to my vehicles. Codes on ignitions, codes on doors, etc... so if i wanna continue to feed my family, I'm forced to join and pay this corporation annually.. how hard would it be to just add a few more security measures to the machines? Or to just shut them down when they're reported stolen? That doesn't make money, that's why.
The issue people don't follow that and start crying. Like what happen with autel when they required to be online the whole time or get online once a day. People complain lastly there being sold to anyone. You can buy them in ebay or Amazon no requirements
@@juansautodiagnostic6199 ok, simple. In order to use an autel machine, you have to first sign up and be approved by autel after proving to them youre an actual locksmith. Same as you have to do with any supplier, or to advertise on Google or yelp our anything else... This could be done via email and then the many wouldn't have to pay a completely separate entity money for the bad acting of the few... Ive now been a member of nastf for a little over a month and have not used their services one single time. And don't plan to. Because i don't need them.. Being forced to need them and actually needing them is different.
Interesting, but i also knew it was a matter of time before the auto industry tried to corner the market on key programming. Wonder how much more locksmiths that are willing to pony up the high costs of the licensing etc..will be raising their prices. Luckily there are a lot more older vehicles out there, but that wont last for long. #Lockboss
Another hit on the auto industry and the right to repair. The solution to this problem is harder laws, bigger bails, and longer jail time for thieves. And you will see how crime in thefts drops super fast.
If you making a key for a client especially AKL you have to get proof that is the owner. If you a business you should already have a LLC or equivalente and business insurance. 428 isnt much compare to tooling and substitutions. That just a couple doller more per key.
Let's face it, nearly anyone can be a programmer. With little to no training, nearly anyone can program another key. No offense to Billy (Ian) and Lily, they can do it, and it shouldn't be a complicated process to program a key. But it's just as easy for the criminals to do it too. Money talks, and when insurance companies talk to manufacturers and theft deterrence is mentioned and analyzed, they talk about stuff like this. Everywhere you go, the big brother approach prevails. Who are you, why do you need access, prove you are who you say you are. I'm guessing that it is ultimately the goal to verify users. And if Ilco/AD want to receive manufacturers information necessary to make programmers...in exchange, they will need to put in some type of user authentication protocols that safeguard the programmer tool from being used for nefarious purposes if stolen.
I don’t think it’s the dealers as much as the manufacturers. Some of the dealers in my area tell people to call me for their key needs, especially for vehicles older than six years or so. #LockBoss
@@davidturner6509My money is on insurance companies and lawyers. There is concern about how easily criminals can make a copy of a key and simply drive off.
Not licensed ? I’m over qualified then, I’m certified in Automotive EEPROM and have a certificate. Don’t need OBD Programmer. So that’s means I’m more qualified than a dealer and your dealers are told by your OE overlords to not service vehicles over 5 years because your up to 2 months backed up on appointments and rarely have keys in stock causing your customers to wait days weeks and months before they can go to work. I don’t need NASTF posing as a fraud government agency tell me how to run my business and my customers business. I’ve never met a person who likes a dealership. But they love locksmiths cause we get them back on the road the same day.
I hope this gets rid of the $50 key makers in my area. They most likely don’t have insurance or anything. These cheap people been ruining the key market these past few months 10 popped up the last 6 months in my area
True but I have one guy that makes transponder key for $35 and even dodge proximity fobs for $60. The same guy calls me for help when he messes up just like when he bricked a Honda a few weeks ago 🙃 but of course I charge him lol
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Thank you, PJ and Tony. I'm glad to hear that AD is not bending the knee. I knew if we were talking about the original AD, there would be no way they would agree to this. I am so glad that the vision is still as it was before Ilco bought AD. #Lockboss. I feel much better knowing AD is on our side as locksmiths... #Lockboss
All this talk at NASTF about stolen tools, whatever happened to password protection? Advanced Diagnostics already protects it's equipment, cheerio!
I don't know. Even Dexter didn't password protect his computer...lol
@@robertcalkjr.8325 Then Dexter is a moron.
no kidding. What a cop out. My AD and Autel tools have PW protection. come to think of it, I need to check on how to do it with my APP
@@coreyh7323 I have my APP password protected as also with every other technical device and computers
I believe it’s not much of stolen tools but how easy it is for anyone to purchase them
Thank you AD for keeping us independent of the car manufacturers #Lockboss
I might just be an advanced diag user next week. I like that response. No doubt, their tool is the best, there is a price to pay for that. But their tool just works.
As a start up, I was worried about this. Now, as far as AD is concerned- it’s business as usual for this #lockboss. This helps me being a AD consumer.
Business as usual is a good thing. Thanks #lockboss !
Thank you AD! NASTF booted me and I didn’t appreciate how they ran audit on my company tracking my IP when I was on vacation and my customers needed keys and I shared keycodes with subcontractor. They suggested I make my subcontractors be a W-2 employee or to have someone at shop login and report the form. You can’t do that with a one person shop. And we need vacations. There rules are too
Strict and it forces extra admin work that I don’t have time for. The positives I’m now more skilled than ever w/o NASTF🎉
This #Lockboss is seriously considering getting out of the automotive game altogether, other than lockouts. It's gotten ridiculous.
Yea, I could go out of town and hand my phone over to a trusted locksmith friend, make the necessary steps to get the job done so the customer is serviced. If the customer's car gets stolen, I would be dealing with the police, insurance, lawsuit and reputatiion clean-up, not NASTF. At some point it's all about money.
Fantastic video by CLK. Finger on the pulse of the industry subject. I really appreciate you taking the time to use RUclips as a platform to talk with industry professionals about current relevant questions. Thank you. #LockBoss
Thank you, PJ and Tony for discussing this. I'll admit that I got a NASTF account as an all keys lost backup while I learned lishi, but with my 2 year period/renewal coming up I've had a lot of internal debate if there's a big enough ROI to cough up another 2 years. #Lockboss
Thanks a good point.
It’s about $20 a month, you can afford it😂
@eurowerx4267 that's not a sound reason. Just because i may be able to afford it, doesn't mean it's a good investment if the return on investment doesn't justify it.
I just want to fix cars as a hobby. Flashing modules using j2534 is something I occasionally have to do to get stuff to work. NASFT would put an end to my work, stuff would have to be sent out to the dealer for items like PCM reflashing. I am not going to get licensed, carry insurance, and pay $500 for a login.
Trust me there are alot of us in the same situation. I've been going back and forth with many tool manufacturers and there are options out there. Just have to wait and see who joins first as tool manufacturers and nastf are keeping a tight lip on who is joining and who is not. Meanwhile new aftermarket tools are rolling out in Europe and be here soon that does the same job, that means these big firms are.going to lose a lot of income while some small firm from across the world will make millions in the first few months.
Advanced Diagnostics is sticking it to the man! #lockboss
I’m not a locksmith I’m just a hobby lock picker, but I enjoy these videos that give a little insight into what having a locksmith business is like and the various day to day topics of discussion amongst locksmiths. This guest was great! Another great video, PJ! #Lockboss
Great #lockboss video pj . Definetly a volatile 🌋subject with various view points.
I don’t think any toolmaker will say if they will be applying the nastf vsp- imagine how much sales they will lose if they say they are going on board with it
I was thinking the same thing!
At some point they'll have no choice but to comply.
@IowaLockDoc I have been looking to buy a new key programmer. After watching this, it looks as though my next programmer will be a Smart Pro. Let's just hope AD stands their ground and doesn't cave.
@shawncovert751 it'll take a while for all of this to take hold, but my guess is four to five years.
This is step one. Step two is to verify users to weed out criminal use. Eventually, every time a key is added, all keys lost...whatever, they'll want a record for your service. Name, rank and serial number provided with the VIN and a transaction code and other details (GPS location, etc) before you are allowed to proceed. This way you can be held liable if the duplication is used for unlawful purpose.
Follow the money and I'm sure you'll find an insurance company and a lawyer in deep conversation.
@@shawncovert751This is step one. Step two is to verify users to weed out criminal use. Eventually, every time a key is added, all keys lost...whatever, they'll want a record for your service. Name, rank and serial number provided with the VIN and a transaction code and other details (GPS location, etc) before you are allowed to proceed. This way you can be held liable if the duplication is used for unlawful purpose.
Thanks a lot for this video! I was truly worried about what can I do for keeping my business growing but with this NASTF thing complicate it more! But thanks for SmartPro, I will buy one programmer
Great video - a thanks to PJ, the CLK team, and especially Tony. Guess my plans on buying a smart pro later this year is going to be moved up a few months. Just wish to know if APP is planning on doing. #LockBoss
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#Lockboss. Always enjoy your videos, and I look to watching for your videos on Thursday, Sunday and especially Tuesday. I don’t do automotive but it is good to be aware of what is going on in the industry. We really appreciate you and all of CLK how you really care about us and the industry! Thank you #Lockboss !
#lockboss, now this question needs to be ask to Autel and APP, to get their point of view.
autopropad just had a 2 hour video with nastf and other locksmiths. ruclips.net/video/kCa2Ws9StwE/видео.htmlsi=--f2mEntCMXr1z1l
Im glad AD did this video. I wish the other key programming manufacturers like Autel, Xhorse, and others will let us know. If they will participate in the program or not in a timely manner and not just spring it on us at the last moment. #LockBoss
It is considered a voluntary agreement. I would think Autel would follow the crowd of AD. Unfortunately, we will have to watch and wait. Most importantly, vote with your money. Whoever bends the knee, don't renew and don't buy another
This is step one. Step two is to verify users to weed out criminal use. Eventually, every time a key is added, all keys lost...whatever, they'll want a record for your service. Name, rank and serial number provided with the VIN and a transaction code and other details (GPS location, etc) before you are allowed to proceed. This way you can be held liable if the duplication is used for unlawful purpose.
Lol xhorse a Chinese company to speak on the topic that's funny.
I believe Autel will participate as they participate in other diagnostic programs like AutoAuth, as well as their obd being a j2534 pass-through, it can connect to a laptop with dealerships software.
The Chinese manufacturer pass-through devices for all the manufacturers, so I assume they will participate.
@jacobnbr11 if that the case why did kia and hyundai got hit so hard with there lack of security due to the even of the key boys. They had to find a solution if not those lawsuits will hurt them badly.
Business as usual. So far so good. #Lockboss
Great tutorial on nastf very informative the more clk puts out to the lockboss community the better we are as a lockboss community #lockboss
#LOCKBOSS Always informative and up-to-date as much as possible. Thank you
Thsnk you PJ & Tony for keeping us all informed on how NASTF is trying to extort more money from all locksmiths ... Yall keep up the good work .... #lockboss
Does Smart Pro work on the newer Fords 2022 and up ?
Hmm, you will want to check the mykeyspro app for specifics on this
The smart pro seems like the programmer that can do almost any vehicle or a huge number of them anyway. I hope to get busy enough with automotive to justify buying one but at the moment I’m not quite there at the moment. Good info, I’m always fully informed about any products I am thinking about buying because of the #LockBoss videos and comments from fellow locksmiths that answer any questions you may have.
I don't do automotive but its great to hear what's going on in the locksmith world. Keep up the great videos PJ. #LockBoss
I feel a little better after watching this, but should I invest any more in the automotive business ?? #lockboss
Thanks, PJ and Tony. Excellent information; I don’t currently work with autos, but I have considered it. I will wait and learn more before making a decision. #Lockboss
I am considering buying a new programmer. But my question is, do I need to hold off until we know more about which companies are going to participate in the program? Also, How will this affect the programmers I already have?
If you are licensed no you dont have to. If you are not licensed but have a passion for this then id definitely recommend you to wait
I see NASTF and J2534 programming as yet another tool in my arsenal to be able to serve more customers that the aftermarket programmers have not caught up with yet. Yes, those customers with the newest vehicles will have to pay a premium to make up for extra incurred costs, but it will still be far less expensive for them than going back to the auto dealership. Thanks, PJ! #AccessLockKeyLLC #HaulinBrass #LockBoss
I appreciate your perspective. I’m a younger guy, only got into programming and calibrations a couple of years ago. I’ve developed an interest in automotive locksmithing as it is very trade adjacent so it is frightening to see that a monumental change like this is going on just as I’m looking to get started.
But at the same time due to my age and experience and also lack there of, I feel I have a very progressive outlook on the future of automotive repair and I agree with your perspective. Being educated on Vehicle diagnostics/programming and immobilizer/ security work is a huge opportunity for the people lucky enough to be on the forefront especially with the future of autonomous vehicles on the horizon
It's a growing percentage which is good in some ways bad in others. Keep us posted on where your are now.
Thank you guys for the info I'm a new locksmith looking to take over a 27yr plus locksmith business and news like this scares me about my future your knowledge is amazing !! #lockboss
Thanks PJ and Tony!
Hey PJ, I haven't heard anyone talk about the possibility of this program enabling aftermarket tools to expand their coverage on newer cars. I made keys for a 2023 F-150, 2024 Mazda 3 and CX-30, 2023 Promaster, and a bunch of CanFD GM models last week. All of these cars required dealer software and NASTF. Seems like the aftermarket tools are not keeping up as much as they did in the past. Any thoughts? #LockBoss
Could nastf just b stirring the pot to see what happens
Thanks PJ, Clk Supplies and Ilco and advanced Diagnostic. #Lockboss
I love my SmartPro, and I do have my NASTF credentials but I just want more info from NASTF on what exactly is changing and will be required in the future. Ever hopeful that business as usual continues. #lockboss
Nothing will change for you as far as NASTF goes. Some programmers are going to require a login that you already have. If you don't need any codes you will proceed as normal. If you need a code than the normal D1 needs to be filled out. It's really about which programmers are going to be involved in this. We have 2 Smart Pro's. We have many Autel's also. I am hearing Autel is going to do this. Smart Pro to me is the best programmer out there. It's not our first goto though. We use the Autel's so we don't use a token and this is kind of lazy but the Autels are easier to get out of the case. lol Run run 80 to 150 automotive locksmith calls per week. We are busy so we try and be efficient on every call. We don't even Lishi. We either use a code broker or NASTF if we need a code unless the lock comes out easy and fast.
PJ, Will you be contacting the other programmer companies to see if they will be joining with NASTF? I see this causing some key programmer tool companies to lose a lot of customers and money.
It's always a good idea to keep up with what's going on in the #Lockboss Community. Thank You for a very informative video.
Thank you PJ and Tony. Good information! I don't like how NASFT is trying to jam it down your throat. The extra costs are going to raise everyone's prices! Seems like there are government employees working for NASTF - slowing the job down and causing extra work in order to get the job done! Always getting in the way and forcing additional cost and paperwork to everyone. They are trying to drive the little guy out of the business! #Lockboss
Big thanks for the latest info. Thanks to Tony and PJ. #Lockboss
I will be giving NASTF and ultimatum to allow my access back or force a lawsuit on Autel to buy back all my machines if they don’t allow me back. The customers own the vehicles not the OEMs and not their decision and they are making on behalf of the vehicle owners
Great job!
I'm trying to become a member and they are just making it completely impossible for me. I've been in the automotive industry 19 years. Just started getting in the keys and spent a few thousand dollars on equipment. I have a suspended driver's license and they will not accept a Pennsylvania photo ID
Is it true that Tony was forced to resign from A.D. after this interview?
It is not, Tony still works at ilco/AD! -PJ
Thanks PJ , as always excellent #LOCKBOSS information
It will knock out the guys running around with no insurance, no locksmith license and a bad criminal history. If you're doing the newer stuff, you should already be setup with NASTF. I guess we will see how it plays out. I could see a guy in China with a work around in 2 weeks and a big run on the SmartPro's for now😁 #LOCKBOSS
that is what i was helping for
This is step one. Step two is to verify users to weed out criminal use. Eventually, every time a key is added, all keys lost...whatever, they'll want a record for your service. Name, rank and serial number provided with the VIN and a transaction code and other details (GPS location, etc) before you are allowed to proceed. This way you can be held liable if the duplication is used for unlawful purpose.
Follow the money and I'm sure you'll find an insurance company and a lawyer in deep conversation.
I have a California Locksmith License for Over 25 yrs, background check & required to verify vehicle ownership, pay $250 a year for my License!
This profitable ( non profit) non governmental organization is blackmailing!
Class action Lawsuit from us whom already have been vetted! More money charged to customers because of an illegitimate criminal organization!
If NASTF is going to go along with this BS then I won't no part of them! Who gives a rats butt if one has insurance or not or even a locksmith license? It's becoming a money pit for someone to sit behind a wall(NASTF) and come up with more stupid rules and then say it's "voluntary". That's a load of BS! I'm not going to carry a million dollar insurance policy because NASTF requires it. It's none of their business if I'm a convicted felon who paid the price and is now out trying to scratch a living. It's none of their business. All this is doing is punishing the law abiding citizen and there will always be the thieves no matter what. The cost alone that NASTF is talking about is utter BS that will have to be passed on to the customer. This sh*t already costs enough. There are certain cars that are being stolen at a higher rate than others so the car companies can fix their own problems. I'm hangning onto my carbureted vehicle and no computer for as long as I can because this crap is going too far!! Let freedom ring!
I use autel and xtool xhorse how about Those tools. In my State of NC locksmith has to be licensed. # Lockboss
As a non Automive Locksmith I find this discussion with Tony as quite interesting and informative. I have no idea what NASTF actually stands for as a "novice" #lockboss in this area
Stand For National Automotive Service Task Force
It stands for B.S
Im a sole properietor run. Disabled vet. I cant hokd a drivers liscence. But ive been making it work since 2012. Taxi, paid drivers bus etc adapt and overcome. Advance diag. Standing with locksmiths. Im selling all my autel and switching over. Many thanks AD.
Thanks Pj and CLK SUPPLIES. One of my first suppliers since 2012.
I'll buy all the autel equipment that you have.
Great video, interesting times! #Lockboss
Thanks for the info! NASTF has its place, hope it’s not a money grab but I’m sure the auto manufacturers are breathing down their necks about it. #lockboss
Nice info PJ. #Lockboss
This is step one. Step two is to verify users to weed out criminal use. Eventually, every time a key is added, all keys lost...whatever, they'll want a record for your service. Name, rank and serial number provided with the VIN and a transaction code and other details (GPS location, etc) before you are allowed to proceed. This way you can be held liable if the duplication is used for unlawful purpose.
Follow the money and I'm sure you'll find an insurance company and a lawyer in deep conversation.
This is why we pay for car insurance and this is a result of our justice (injustice) system not doing their job because they are bought off by George Soros. This is a Ponzi scheme by NASTF non governmental organization not elected by the people making decisions for the people. NASTF doesn’t like locksmiths they represent the OEMs and not the people who buy the cars which is their property. Realize this is unconstitutional like a gun registry. Eventually you will be tracked and monitored and back door reported to OEMs to see how much money they are losing in the name of security. Then you will be canceled and locked out of automotive work. Just like the patriot act, nothing patriotic about it. NASTF is from Colorado one of the most liberal states run by crooks. Enforce the current laws that are actually constitutional.
Interesting #Lockboss conversation.
Well, this could really upset the entire industry. I wonder if there could be an anti-trust issue in the future if this goes too far. #lockboss
I don't understand English very well, my question, doubt is: smartpro will not be affected for now or will it not be necessary to register with a locksmith license for the functions of lost keys and add keys?
Great info #lockboss From the video I watched yesterday it sounds like APP is going to go with NASTF. Doesn’t matter that much to me I guess as I’m already a NASTF VSP and have been using it at times when needed. It’s one of those things where if you need it, worse case, it’s good to have.
Thanks for all the info giys #Lockboss
Glad to know they are sticking to business as usual. It might be my misunderstanding of the conversation (listening while i workout) or my distrust of alphabet agencies, but it sounds like all that is the motivation of the NASTF is greed 🤑. Most agencies like this don't want people to have the ability to be self sufficient or have an alternative to their solution. Just my opinion though #Lockboss
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I have a NASTF account, some times you just need to run a VIN to get a key code. so taking out the part of having to upload data online after is great. Less work for me #Lockboss
So you can walk up to a car, copy the VIN and get the key code without the owners consent??
@@jimr549 Unless you plan on steeling it why would you? Your obviously not going to get paid if you don't have consent.
😂😂😂😂 it contradicts the purpose of nasft, and reasoning behind all this b.s they want less thieves and now you can scan a bin and get a code 😂 lol
Good to hear this news. #Lockboss
A #Lockboss loves "Business as Usual".
Thanks for putting out this information. #lockboss
What about Autel & Xtool programmers? #Lockboss. #Everett Keys.
Is autopropad and Autel lonsdor and Smartbox will be included in this program or no if someone can answer thanks pj #lockboss. I am licensed insured and I have NASTF but I’ve never used my NASTF I hate their system. It’s very confusing. Hope this programmers does not use nasfs as locksmith we already have to much headache we don’t need more
Autel will be IN for sure
On the road to getting licensed in Oklahoma, just got the rest of my equipment from you guys. No pics yet 😢not ready. Failed my test last week to get technician. (Know I have to get manager test and application and company application as well but I already invested all of my moneys… 11k… and no going back…) But going back this week to test again. Will definitely be back with updates. Wish me luck. 😅
#LockBoss
Good luck. Im not a locksmith but one day i wish to become like you.
AD: "We don't have any...a connection with NASTF"
also AD: required NASTF credentials to bypass Ford alarm systems.
AD: NASTF is a "sanctioned code broker"
no it's not. NASTF doesn't sell the codes. NASTF gives you the ability to access information from OEMs.
AD has zero connections with NASTF, AD doesn't use NASTF servers at all. They have their own server for Ford, same with anything else that needs an online connection.
Good interview #lockboss
Glad to hear about this Topic PJ. there has been alot of commentary and assumption about this from many forums. #lockboss
W for ilco and the Smart pro!
#lockboss I am concerned. I do not want to sign up for NASTF and cannot afford to buy a SmartPro. I'm hoping Autel doesn't participate.
Same here!
Autel is already on board with it
@@philh9238 I'm glad to know that. I was looking at buying an iM608 pro 2, but it looks like I will be going with the Smart Pro now.
Autel was the first to sign up and then snap-on and the rest followed. I just hope the Chinese market starts stocking up because they will make millions in a few months selling tools that don't require nastf and autel and snap-on will lose quite a bit of yearly subscriptions.
@@Jorge-kn8oj I guess I will be selling my km100. I'm glad I found this out now. I was looking at buying an iM608 Pro 2.
Thanks For the info #lockboss
Maybe I'm missing something here. I've watched a few videos on this. They're trying to make it harder for unqualified/shady people from programming security functions right? So what's the problem you all have with this?
They are making it harder for the locksmith and it cost you to be a member for something you don’t really need
Thanks for the info #Lockboss
#Lockboss , thanks for the video!
Great video. #Lockboss
So, basically, all these companies are just turning total control of their key programming tools over to NASTF?
Sounds like communism. We come so far from our founding father’s definition of property rights. OEMs want to control a citizens right to property after the citizen paid for a vehicle. They need to get back to servicing the people not tread on peoples right. Don’t forget service is where they make most of their money. This is a sneaky way for OEMs to increase their quarterly earnings. Any aftermarket programmer who wants to go along with NASTF will be put out of business due to boycott. So try it and see what happens. 😢
Good info! #LOCKBOSS
Some of us literally have crystal balls. They just aren't very effective. 😂
I dropped mine :(
Great video! #lockboss
That's $500 i didn't plan on spending... i use lishi to figure out the cuts to my vehicles. Codes on ignitions, codes on doors, etc... so if i wanna continue to feed my family, I'm forced to join and pay this corporation annually.. how hard would it be to just add a few more security measures to the machines? Or to just shut them down when they're reported stolen? That doesn't make money, that's why.
The issue people don't follow that and start crying. Like what happen with autel when they required to be online the whole time or get online once a day. People complain lastly there being sold to anyone. You can buy them in ebay or Amazon no requirements
@@juansautodiagnostic6199 ok, simple. In order to use an autel machine, you have to first sign up and be approved by autel after proving to them youre an actual locksmith. Same as you have to do with any supplier, or to advertise on Google or yelp our anything else... This could be done via email and then the many wouldn't have to pay a completely separate entity money for the bad acting of the few... Ive now been a member of nastf for a little over a month and have not used their services one single time. And don't plan to. Because i don't need them.. Being forced to need them and actually needing them is different.
If that's the case, my tool will be useless because I'm not willing to jump through all those hoops.
#lockboss great video
Interesting, but i also knew it was a matter of time before the auto industry tried to corner the market on key programming. Wonder how much more locksmiths that are willing to pony up the high costs of the licensing etc..will be raising their prices. Luckily there are a lot more older vehicles out there, but that wont last for long. #Lockboss
Who in this world leaves their im608 on the front seat with the window down.
Nice video #Lockboss
Another hit on the auto industry and the right to repair. The solution to this problem is harder laws, bigger bails, and longer jail time for thieves. And you will see how crime in thefts drops super fast.
If you making a key for a client especially AKL you have to get proof that is the owner. If you a business you should already have a LLC or equivalente and business insurance. 428 isnt much compare to tooling and substitutions. That just a couple doller more per key.
Let's face it, nearly anyone can be a programmer. With little to no training, nearly anyone can program another key. No offense to Billy (Ian) and Lily, they can do it, and it shouldn't be a complicated process to program a key. But it's just as easy for the criminals to do it too.
Money talks, and when insurance companies talk to manufacturers and theft deterrence is mentioned and analyzed, they talk about stuff like this.
Everywhere you go, the big brother approach prevails. Who are you, why do you need access, prove you are who you say you are.
I'm guessing that it is ultimately the goal to verify users. And if Ilco/AD want to receive manufacturers information necessary to make programmers...in exchange, they will need to put in some type of user authentication protocols that safeguard the programmer tool from being used for nefarious purposes if stolen.
Locksmith Are Not Licensed In Automotive Trade. So In The End They Are Run Around Program Key. But Dealership Want To Stop Locksmith From That.
I don’t think it’s the dealers as much as the manufacturers. Some of the dealers in my area tell people to call me for their key needs, especially for vehicles older than six years or so. #LockBoss
@@davidturner6509My money is on insurance companies and lawyers. There is concern about how easily criminals can make a copy of a key and simply drive off.
What are you talking about, locksmith are not licensed in automotive trade? I’m licensed
Not licensed ? I’m over qualified then, I’m certified in Automotive EEPROM and have a certificate. Don’t need OBD Programmer. So that’s means I’m more qualified than a dealer and your dealers are told by your OE overlords to not service vehicles over 5 years because your up to 2 months backed up on appointments and rarely have keys in stock causing your customers to wait days weeks and months before they can go to work. I don’t need NASTF posing as a fraud government agency tell me how to run my business and my customers business. I’ve never met a person who likes a dealership. But they love locksmiths cause we get them back on the road the same day.
Thanks #Lockboss
I hope this gets rid of the $50 key makers in my area. They most likely don’t have insurance or anything. These cheap people been ruining the key market these past few months 10 popped up the last 6 months in my area
You can't get to everybody plus it up to the consumer who they choose that's commerce😢
True but I have one guy that makes transponder key for $35 and even dodge proximity fobs for $60. The same guy calls me for help when he messes up just like when he bricked a Honda a few weeks ago 🙃 but of course I charge him lol
#lockboss time to buy AD
nastf already has plans for companies like ad who will not participate
Nastf come up with a very great idea. All aftermarket tools should participate in that process.
Not gonna happen though.
No is B.s! Power, greed, control.
I think you should have explained just what NAFTS IS #LOCKBOSS
How to #LockBoss program programmers.....
have a great day
Interesting...#LOCKBOSS
basically AD says F U-self to NASTF. way to go AD even I don't have it. LOL