I spoke to a rep from sig today. He told me they are designing a closed emitter romeo x, however it won’t be out for sometime due to the cost it takes to make/produce the unit and they didn’t believe the majority of their customer basis would be prepared to pay the steep price it would be sold for. He went on to say, the closed emitter optics are mainly marketed for “duty use” as of right now. (I have seen in other forums people have heard they will be dropping greendot versions and closed emitter options soon.) either way, i will be waiting on the closed emitter version.
Old me would've skipped this video review of the Romeo-X Compact, made by someone who carries a .22 for self defense but then again, old me used to think Masad Ayoob was the GOAT for his wealth of knowledge as well, but thanks to the innernet we now have content from like-minded people who offer reviews from an unbiased and informed point of view, such as this channel. ...Great video! It goes into detail, covering many of the things I needed to know but couldn't find the answer to in other reviews. Thanks for the valuable information, now I can finally make an informed decision when getting my next Micro red dot for my X-Macro.
What exactly is the issue with Ayoob? He IS very knowledgeable.. and a .22 for self defense is just dumb. As someone who's actually taken rounds, you are majorly lacking. Sure, you can hit a vital and kill, but not before the bad guy comfortably returns fire because the shit just doesn't hurt.
I agree with your final assessment. For me, I'd like to go all the way with SIG; but they, SIG, won't let me. I run both, SIG and Holosun, and for the money, Holosun can't be beat.... not yet anyway!
The glass clarity on Sig red dots is unmatched in my experience. The aspherical lense that I’ve heard is supplied by Zeiss makes a huge difference compared to every red dot I’ve looked through. The only comparable dot may be Aimpoint but I haven’t looked through one in a long time but I remember them being extremely clear. All other dots I’ve looked through (especially pistol mounted dots) have very noticeable fisheye distortion. Sig is supposed to be making an enclosed version and green dot versions too. For a CC weapon I don’t mind an open emitter but for my open carry 10mm woods gun I definitely want an enclosed dot.
It's weird I've been seeing people saying this lately. I had an RMR type 2 and didn't have any issues with distortion or a fisheye effect but I see tons of people online saying it does. I've seen videos of the distortion and it's BAD, but mine never had that issue.
Thanks for the comparison. I like the idea of the side battery compartment of the X, helps keep the deck height lower. Would like to see them make a X without the integrated rear sight, not needed on my pistols, they already have rears. Wish Holosun would make models/versions with a true RMSc footprint.
I don't understand why they ever made their footprint. NOBODY comes with 507k footprints. It's always shield rmsc and you have to get plates or modify the slide... literally the dumbest/most pointless choice by holosun. And doubling down and keeping the footprint and releasing new optics in said footprint is braindead behavior.
@@JTheraosI totally agree with you. I challenge anyone to look at any of the most popular subcompacts and see where they specify holosun-k optic mount. I can give holosun a pass on existing products (and adapter solution for those), but new products like the scs carry out to be rmsc native. And that’s why I won’t be buying it.
I had the 507k on my CZ RAMI and replaced it with the Romeo X. Lower deck, much better rear sight, more rugged, and it does NOT come from China. I like it a lot. Cheers, Tony
I have 2 eps carry one 6 moa and one mrs. I looked throug a compact X at a store and it was so much clearer for my astigmatism. I waitied until they were back in stock and used my 100 dollar coupon so it's on it's way
Exactly! When we first saw it online we were so excited bc it looked like an EPS carry with an RMSC footprint which would totally DOMINATE. Then when we realized it was an open emitter our heads just exploded with shock. So to us it went from being one of the best optics available to now wondering what is sig actually doing!? However the reticle is clearer and nicer than the Holosun.
What gun do you gun it on and how much of a co witness do you have on factory sights. I’m thinking of putting it on my glock 43xmos. So any thoughts are appreciated
I just don’t get why they wouldn’t have a version without the extra sights kind a looks weird when you have double sights in the back and there’s no reason should’ve made another option
My guess is that sig did this because early versions of 365 had rear sight as part of the cover plate. But on all other small pistols it looks pretty silly to have 2 rear iron sights plus the for. I would also prefer it flat.
I have the new P320 NSF and they don't have screws for optics. Sadly I tried my many screws in the screw box I have and nope! Called Sig and they said that their sealing plate comes with the proper screws but it's out of stock. That really pissed me off after spending $750 on a new pistol that is OPTICS READY. What do you recommend for that particular model?
Two questions. For Glock 43xmos, I like the idea of direct mount to use factory height sights, but another video showed the screws were to long and affect the extractor, do you know if this is correct or sell the correct screw length. Second question is I am also considering the eps carry, but do I get any co witness with factory sights when using the adapter plate and eps carry combo. Thanks
EPS has minimal cowitness. And yes usuallt you run into screw length issues. You can solve this with an adapte plate w proper hardware. We also sell screws the correct length
Thinking about canceling my Sig order of this and placing one for the Holosun 407k. What do you think? Less bulky battery compartment, longer battery life. Cons: shake awake stays on for 10min rather than 2min
@@freedomgorilla1optics planet selling for $310 currently. For $10 less then an eps I’ll take the X compact for the improvements that’s matter to me. Better glass > enclosed emitter. Enclosed is for military operations in dust rain elements etc. the chances of me needing my ccw in the elements is 0.01% vs at the range having nicer glass and more sturdy optic (watch the video of someone denting an ammo can and it retaining 0) matters more then the 0.01% off chance I’m in rain, and then have to use back up iron sights
I think there's a chance the internals are not from China, considering the Romeo X is based on the M17, which can't use Chinese parts in order to be military contract compliant. Assembled in the USA is still better than Made in China, in my opinion. It's why I didn't purchase a Holosun.
I did some research a while back for the Romeo 4T after seeing it used by SAS and Delta guys. It’s a US housing, Zeiss glass, Japanese circuit board, S Korean emitter (possibly Japanese now). Smaller parts I’m not sure but there are claims that there are zero Chinese parts and only uses parts from friendly ally countries. SIG said they are continuously moving more production back to the US so I assume all the US assembled lines use the same imports as the 4T and RM17 that have government contracts. Modern SIG optics are vastly superior to their older SIG optics.
For what you get for the price I totally agree 👍🏻 Now if this was an enclosed emitter, maybe they’d have something really great… I thought it was when I first saw it online
I don't like that Holosun has their own goofy modified RMSC footprint. That was a dumb move by Holosun, I don't likke plates. I just bought a P365X Macro package that came with a RomeoX, the package deal was cheaper and it brought the price of the Sig dot down to $300. LOL at recommending a wheeler fat wrench that POS has broken 2 optics and stripped one of the screws on my barrel clamp on my 1301, don't waste your money on wheeler garbage get a vortex.
Yea at that price point they can keep the Romeo x I’ll stick with holosun 😂 got a company that’s larger then holosun with years to make a solid competitor that can beat the 507k/eps carry and they still can’t. Wild.
lol it is wild. My mind was blown when i realized it wasn’t a closed emitter. For a second i thougt sig just dominated the market. But they missed it by one piece of glass and some glue
![Holosun 507K & 507C Comparison [Plus Green Dot]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/K09CGXPX-Xs/mqdefault.jpg)
I spoke to a rep from sig today. He told me they are designing a closed emitter romeo x, however it won’t be out for sometime due to the cost it takes to make/produce the unit and they didn’t believe the majority of their customer basis would be prepared to pay the steep price it would be sold for. He went on to say, the closed emitter optics are mainly marketed for “duty use” as of right now. (I have seen in other forums people have heard they will be dropping greendot versions and closed emitter options soon.) either way, i will be waiting on the closed emitter version.
It’s out now 👍🏼
Old me would've skipped this video review of the Romeo-X Compact, made by someone who carries a .22 for self defense but then again, old me used to think Masad Ayoob was the GOAT for his wealth of knowledge as well, but thanks to the innernet we now have content from like-minded people who offer reviews from an unbiased and informed point of view, such as this channel.
...Great video! It goes into detail, covering many of the things I needed to know but couldn't find the answer to in other reviews.
Thanks for the valuable information, now I can finally make an informed decision when getting my next Micro red dot for my X-Macro.
What exactly is the issue with Ayoob? He IS very knowledgeable.. and a .22 for self defense is just dumb. As someone who's actually taken rounds, you are majorly lacking. Sure, you can hit a vital and kill, but not before the bad guy comfortably returns fire because the shit just doesn't hurt.
sp2022 isn’t a .22
I agree with your final assessment. For me, I'd like to go all the way with SIG; but they, SIG, won't let me. I run both, SIG and Holosun, and for the money, Holosun can't be beat.... not yet anyway!
Truth
The glass clarity on Sig red dots is unmatched in my experience. The aspherical lense that I’ve heard is supplied by Zeiss makes a huge difference compared to every red dot I’ve looked through. The only comparable dot may be Aimpoint but I haven’t looked through one in a long time but I remember them being extremely clear. All other dots I’ve looked through (especially pistol mounted dots) have very noticeable fisheye distortion. Sig is supposed to be making an enclosed version and green dot versions too. For a CC weapon I don’t mind an open emitter but for my open carry 10mm woods gun I definitely want an enclosed dot.
If this is true and they release a green dot I’m gonna be salty I just got my red dot version lol
Good point!@@Alexonthetube
I do prefer green over red as well. Thanks for the heads up!
I think I'll wait.
It's weird I've been seeing people saying this lately. I had an RMR type 2 and didn't have any issues with distortion or a fisheye effect but I see tons of people online saying it does. I've seen videos of the distortion and it's BAD, but mine never had that issue.
Why? You want your worst case failure to be catastrophic when the seal fails vs an easily correctable getting debris on the emitter?
Thanks for the comparison. I like the idea of the side battery compartment of the X, helps keep the deck height lower. Would like to see them make a X without the integrated rear sight, not needed on my pistols, they already have rears.
Wish Holosun would make models/versions with a true RMSc footprint.
I agree with you, I wish holosun would use rmsc.
I don't understand why they ever made their footprint. NOBODY comes with 507k footprints. It's always shield rmsc and you have to get plates or modify the slide... literally the dumbest/most pointless choice by holosun. And doubling down and keeping the footprint and releasing new optics in said footprint is braindead behavior.
@@JTheraosI totally agree with you. I challenge anyone to look at any of the most popular subcompacts and see where they specify holosun-k optic mount. I can give holosun a pass on existing products (and adapter solution for those), but new products like the scs carry out to be rmsc native. And that’s why I won’t be buying it.
I had the 507k on my CZ RAMI and replaced it with the Romeo X.
Lower deck, much better rear sight, more rugged, and it does NOT come from China. I like it a lot.
Cheers, Tony
I have 2 eps carry one 6 moa and one mrs. I looked throug a compact X at a store and it was so much clearer for my astigmatism. I waitied until they were back in stock and used my 100 dollar coupon so it's on it's way
Sig unlimited warranty doesn’t cover electronics, which is only valid for 5 years.
Thanks for the review/comparison! Everyone is comparing it to the EPS carry, but it’s more similar to the 407/507K. Except for the price!
Exactly! When we first saw it online we were so excited bc it looked like an EPS carry with an RMSC footprint which would totally DOMINATE. Then when we realized it was an open emitter our heads just exploded with shock. So to us it went from being one of the best optics available to now wondering what is sig actually doing!? However the reticle is clearer and nicer than the Holosun.
At first I was kinda wondering why he chose this model of Holosun, until I realized that too.
Great point!
Just got a p365xl and I was in between these two and now I’m definitely going for the Romeo
Great comparison
Thank you!
I like that it has a bigger window than the eps! What one is better? Is it being an open emitter a deal breaker?? What are your thoughts?
It’s nice. Personally for the money you get more with the Holosun
Deck height is the advantage of the Romeo X to me. I have them on several pistols, and can co-witness standard height sights.
What gun do you gun it on and how much of a co witness do you have on factory sights. I’m thinking of putting it on my glock 43xmos. So any thoughts are appreciated
@@JasonGrace-k4r I have one on a 320 X Compact with standard height sights, and it's a lower 1/4 co-witness.
Yes
Sucks it's not a closed emitter. That would have been a done deal for me.
I just don’t get why they wouldn’t have a version without the extra sights kind a looks weird when you have double sights in the back and there’s no reason should’ve made another option
My guess is that sig did this because early versions of 365 had rear sight as part of the cover plate. But on all other small pistols it looks pretty silly to have 2 rear iron sights plus the for. I would also prefer it flat.
Thanks for the review.
Yw!
I have the new P320 NSF and they don't have screws for optics. Sadly I tried my many screws in the screw box I have and nope! Called Sig and they said that their sealing plate comes with the proper screws but it's out of stock. That really pissed me off after spending $750 on a new pistol that is OPTICS READY. What do you recommend for that particular model?
Two questions. For Glock 43xmos, I like the idea of direct mount to use factory height sights, but another video showed the screws were to long and affect the extractor, do you know if this is correct or sell the correct screw length. Second question is I am also considering the eps carry, but do I get any co witness with factory sights when using the adapter plate and eps carry combo. Thanks
EPS has minimal cowitness. And yes usuallt you run into screw length issues. You can solve this with an adapte plate w proper hardware. We also sell screws the correct length
Thinking about canceling my Sig order of this and placing one for the Holosun 407k. What do you think? Less bulky battery compartment, longer battery life. Cons: shake awake stays on for 10min rather than 2min
That con of shake awake is super minimal. The cost of the sig is quite high for what it is. You could get an enclosed emitter EPS for the same price
@@freedomgorilla1optics planet selling for $310 currently. For $10 less then an eps I’ll take the X compact for the improvements that’s matter to me. Better glass > enclosed emitter.
Enclosed is for military operations in dust rain elements etc. the chances of me needing my ccw in the elements is 0.01% vs at the range having nicer glass and more sturdy optic (watch the video of someone denting an ammo can and it retaining 0) matters more then the 0.01% off chance I’m in rain, and then have to use back up iron sights
I paid 203 for my 407K and am very pleased with it. For my X Macro the 6 MOA dot is perfect. I have a extreme astigmatism and it’s clear dot.
Can you co-wintness with the 507K?
I assume the enclosed Romeo-X will be at ShotShow Jan 2025
Not 2024? 😡🤬😞
eps carry & SCS 320
Good video
Thank you
Million dollar question, the Holosun is made in China, the Sig ASSEMBLED in the USA but are the components made in China or Japan?
Way to go paying attention! We don’t know. But our guess is China. Sig is slick w their marketing
@@freedomgorilla1 don’t get me wrong, the Sig dots are some of the best in the business as well, just would like some clarity.
I think there's a chance the internals are not from China, considering the Romeo X is based on the M17, which can't use Chinese parts in order to be military contract compliant. Assembled in the USA is still better than Made in China, in my opinion. It's why I didn't purchase a Holosun.
I wonder if the guns you guys are putting these on, have no parts made in China, lol
I did some research a while back for the Romeo 4T after seeing it used by SAS and Delta guys. It’s a US housing, Zeiss glass, Japanese circuit board, S Korean emitter (possibly Japanese now). Smaller parts I’m not sure but there are claims that there are zero Chinese parts and only uses parts from friendly ally countries. SIG said they are continuously moving more production back to the US so I assume all the US assembled lines use the same imports as the 4T and RM17 that have government contracts. Modern SIG optics are vastly superior to their older SIG optics.
Is the Romeo x closed or open it’s hard to tell by looking
It’s an open emitter, we thought it was closed at first too
I love Sig but Holosun red dot is much better…
For what you get for the price I totally agree 👍🏻 Now if this was an enclosed emitter, maybe they’d have something really great… I thought it was when I first saw it online
I don't like that Holosun has their own goofy modified RMSC footprint.
That was a dumb move by Holosun, I don't likke plates.
I just bought a P365X Macro package that came with a RomeoX, the package deal was cheaper and it brought the price of the Sig dot down to $300.
LOL at recommending a wheeler fat wrench that POS has broken 2 optics and stripped one of the screws on my barrel clamp on my 1301, don't waste your money on wheeler garbage get a vortex.
And BTW 20,000 is still over 2 years, just switch out your battery yearly and your good.
The Holosun is made the way it is for waterproof ratings. Many ppl have no problem w the wheeler fat wrench or vortex
Yea at that price point they can keep the Romeo x I’ll stick with holosun 😂 got a company that’s larger then holosun with years to make a solid competitor that can beat the 507k/eps carry and they still can’t. Wild.
lol it is wild. My mind was blown when i realized it wasn’t a closed emitter. For a second i thougt sig just dominated the market. But they missed it by one piece of glass and some glue
$400 romeo x? i can buy 2 crimson trace on palmetto site same battery run time.
I bet you'd carry range ammo or reloads for self-protection too, huh?
Cheap stuff is not good and good stuff is not cheap!