Claimants 'tricked' out of benefits, says Jobcentre whistleblower
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2011
- A Jobcentre Plus whistleblower has revealed to the Guardian how pressure to cut costs is leading to vulnerable claimants being 'set up' so their benefits get stopped
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#jobcentre #universalcredit #benefits
40 years ago, I had a casual conversation with a benefits worker. He stated casually that he despised benefits claimants. It didn't occur to him that he would be unemployed himself if not for benefits claimants.
Wow, how profound and clever of you! A one off, forty year old casual conversation with some random benefits worker who probably just hated his job lol. I had a casual conversation 30 years ago with a cashier in ASDA who said she hated customers... if only she knew that those customers paid her wages.
@@Harry-jz1dn get outlook
60 years ago I had a conversation with a plumber and it turns out that his name was Barry, I purposely remembered that as I knew this conversation I had where I asked him his name would be important enough for me to one day tell someone else his name 60 years later
Im sick to death of hearing about "scroungers", most people on benefits struggle badly and do want to work. Besides far more benefits go to the elderly and the working family man who still struggles due to the crappy wage and rising cost of living. It's the bankers, the corporations and the government people should be venting at and targeting, their corruption is robbing this country blind and the most vulnerable are hit hardest! This is not a recession its a ROBBERY!
Sadly, this is still true a decade later. The fight goes on
I wonder what would happen if we sanctioned MPs salaries if they did not meet or carry out policies and schemes they promised! Let's make a law to do that and see what happens.
4 real ohhh they r elite unstoppable
Too true.
These poor people have no chance.
Fucking system sucks.
johnny leaf Politicians and the bankers stole the wealth, give an I. O. U. for the future, have people believing in a Lie. And the bankers and the politicians now are long gone with the hard work and wealth of the people and the people are outside in a world that does not exist anymore . Meta - World Beyond... Price payed... Promises not kept. Leaving 2 new choices Revolution and Overthrow of the Swindlers Class or start over again at the bottom of a new ponzi world ? Welcome to your New World...
Absolutely disgusting.I read that staff at job centres were actually having their jobs threatened if they did not sanction. They are totally uninterested in helping people. It makes me cry seriously. What has this country come to?
Yep you are on a target as a doctor assessing people with disability and if you don't deny enough u could lose your job
Yes there's a certain amount of people they gotta sanction for targets
Nobody should punish someone to not ever sanction someone.
@@tayokarate That is so sick to hear.
And nothings changed now They're trying to target a disabled again
It's 2017 now and it's still going on. Getting worse. I'm only realising this as my 19 year old INTELLIGENT, EDUCATED, LAW ABIDING, WELL MANNERED HARD WORKING, SENSITIVE son is going through the mill with them. Actually, I've put a stop to it. His award was £251 for a month. His rent is £318 so not only does he not have enough money to put food in his belly he also doesn't have enough to cover his rent. BUT they expected him to start at Pound Land tomorrow at 4pm until 10pm. He WILL NOT be going. My son is not going through this exploitation...NEVER, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS. I am self employed and I will now work more hours to help support him while he looks for work on his own without the patronising condescending conservative robotic heartless minions sending him into a depression and being another suicide statistic that nobody cares about. I only wish I could help all the other kids, the vulnerable who have no choice. For 2 days I have watched videos, read reports and I am utterly beyond expressing how I feel towards this country. Not just the government but the heartless comments by people who have not experienced (yet) the atrocity of looking for work under DWP in 2017. If this is you, you should be extremely ashamed of yourself. You have no right to judge anyone unless you have walked in their shoes.
Great post .
So much respect for you post ,what a loving parent you are nice to hear
Spot on. Still happening in 2022 too.
who was running the country at the time ? who running it now ? do the maths the rich get rich the poor get poorer cliche ? SOCIALISM FOR THE RICH CAPITALISM FOR THE POOR we dont need elections we need revolutions
People seem to have this misconception that being on the dole is easy but as you can see these people have absolutely nothing!
Being on jobseekers allowance, it genuinely depressed me. I was crying myself to sleep every day. I got a job 2 and a half years ago as a security guard and now I couldn't be happier. The job is simple and my hours are flexible. I'm now studying at university as well.
Good on you, I love hearing stores like that of people turning their lives around.
Well done, Well deserved. I feel similar : )
Yh I know the feeling I've always worked never really had to use job centre but you cried becuase you want to work and you have control when you have money but when you are jobless it's horrible so depressing
@@stephenbutler6819 yes I never want to return to that stage ever again.
Where did you do your security training?
I'm on JSA being made redundant after 20 years, and it's fucking horrible, I'm treated like a work shy lay about and spoken to like a child.
My heart goes out to you Kurt. I sincerely hope that you do not have to endure the wrath of dwp much longer - peace to you and yours my friend.
20 years on benefits?
July713 X are you slow?
@@july713x3 I think he means he was made redundant having been in the job for 20 years.
@@sergioalmasy8722 lol. Thanks. Well the video was abt benefits.
This is 8 years ago,who would have thought it could get worse? yet here we are and it is worse,much worse.
Just came across this video and I am not even from your Country and I feel sick to my stomach listening to this. God save the People!
These are dirty lazy ppl who only want to claim benefits and smoke pot all day
G I N A GK
This is how low our government really is. This country looks after everyone but their own. We even have ex servicemen living on the streets, suffering from ptsd, not getting the help they need. Families relying on food banks etc. It's disgusting.
@@sm9571 whatever
@@sm9571 you ain't a clue mate, not everyone on benefits want to be on benefits, they are a lot of benefit bums but not all people on benefits are there because they want to be some people have no choice, don't tie everyone with the same brush as that's not the case at all
@cheeky Julz enough to feed yourself, tax payers shouldn't hsve to pay for the drugs smoking drinking anything else, ppl should try n work
i agree but my son was tricked out of his JSA the job center worker ask are you still looking because he has adhd he got confused and said no so she cancelled his benefit but he got the last laugh he got a job as a bouncer at a pub where she drank with her friends he said to her in front of her friends she could not come in it was very embarrassing for her
michaelstarwars66 good to hear, they are paid to help, utter disgrace been years since I’ve been on it but wish I could’ve had this because I was treated like dirt in there
yes haha
Karma
Lol
Can't believe that you openly admit that you claim benefits and have failed in life. I can't imagine telling my dad that I had failed that miserably in life.
The worst place to look for a job is the jobcentre...I feel for the ones with learning difficulties, they've got no chance
Well come on....it could a lot worse. You could be Prince Harry. Chew on that!
I've had two male friends pass away due to universal credit, since this video was posted in april 2011.
It's a culling of the poor, they would rather see us all dead than give anyone a penny.
I'm sorry for your loss
Get a job
I would love to see the people who make the decision to sanction benefits try to survive on the dole.
@@tayokarate You ok yer?
@@tayokarate Thanks for the whipped horse. You had me laughing led (revision 2) Wifi bulbs.
i was tricked, my adviser told me about a course so i went on the course like she said and they stopped my money because i wasn't available for work. and when i got a good job starting in 6 weeks time they wouldn't pay me up until i started because thry expected me to apply for minimum wage jobs. but now i have the last laugh because im earning more money than the job center advisers will ever earn
+Shane Draper Well done Shane!!
+Shane Draper you must feel great. I took a minimum wage job because I had to, and it was sheer hell, I was right on the edge because there was nothing left after bills. You are treated with contempt and disgust by these people, and it's so lovely to leave them behind, especially when you get a well paying job as I eventually did.
gOOD ON YOU MATE
Congrats. Best wishes for the future.
What course was it if you don't mind me asking?
People ideally ought to work and earn a living, but most jobs are exploitative and degrading.
Usually you don't magically step out of one job into another. It's often a stop-gap, obviously, because a few weeks can be your descent into spiralling debt and homelessness
Exactly
Workers rights for some?
And underpaid
I have been diagnosed with an incurable disease, they made me come down to sign my job seekers allowance,, I couldn't , I am dying, I haven't the time to mess about with these people, the jobcentre plus staff.. are worthless, I pity them.
Manuel Mendoza why are you not claiming health benefits
Because its not that easy to get benefits with health problems, i have had chronic fatigue syndrome for 6 years and various health problems for 10 plus years, i have to crawl across the floor and cannot use my arms or legs much otherwise they become paralyzed with usage, i get NO health benefits, the government does not care, they do not get it. Do not assume its easy to get health benefits, it is not. Progressive CFS for example is not easy to diagnose and it eventually kills you.
Manuel Mendoza how are you now?
That’s absolutely disgusting 🤬
@@albertosoage4885 @vados because a lot of people dont no about the health benefits. They just think JSA exists etc
I was sanctioned half a dozen times in two years, once for missing an appointment that I wasn`t informed about! The whole benefits system is corrupt.
+catherine birch and what were you sanctioned for the other five times? I have absolutely no sympathy for you.
+Suilven Mountain I was sanctioned 3 times for nothing at all, once for not attending an appointment that I didn`t have, & the other 2 times because of a vindictive advisor. I don`t care whether you have any sympathy for me or not, because your`e clearly one of those psychopaths who think that unemployed people are nothing but scroungers & should be starved to death. some day I hope you find yourself in the position where you need benefits, & get sanctioned, then see how you like it!
+catherine birch Same old same old insults. I am not a psychopath just an ordinary taxpayer fed up of those who milk the system
+catherine birch Don't bother replying to Suilven Mountain. People who leave comments like that are just right wing idiots who don't have to think too hard. People like that just blame Immigrants, Muslims and the Unemployed for all their problems. I'm also guessing Suilven Mountain ain't too bright, people like that are just Sheep who swallow the Tory press hook line and sinker.
+Suilven Mountain If you really have a problem with those who milk the system then why do people like you always ignore the Bankers, Wankers and Politicians who got us in this mess in the first place? People like you have too much fun looking down on other less fortunate people. You should try looking up for a change.
If you are an asylum seeker you get more respect. Its a bloody disgrace how they treat the indigenous people of the UK.
Yep because since leaving EU and Dublin protocol our government is legally obligated to house asylum seekers.
Where'as they not forced to look after vulnerable people as that's what conservative voters chose:(
I am claiming universal credits lost my job due to the covid restrictions I suffered very bad chest pains one day and called an ambulance it also was the same day my phone appointment was due by my work coach, the ambulance arrived the paramedic had me hooked up to a ECG machine in my Livingroom when my work coach phoned my wife answered the call and explained I was with the paramedic on a machine the work coach told my wife If I didn't keep up the phone appointment we would be sanctioned the paramedic even spoke to my work coach with no mercy I still had to take the call in my living room hooked up to ECG and with the paramedic doing tests I then had to end the call as the GP phoned my phone couldn't get me as I was on a call with my work coach the GP phoned my wife then I got rushed in to hospital, this is how bad the system is it doesn't care if you live or die thankfully to the NHS I fine and now looking for work once more
Welcome to the 'War on the Poor'.
5 years later and still no change
I swear this government would bring back the workhouses if they could.
Did u know they used to force benefits claimants to work at poundland for 30hours a week Just to get benefits? They tried it on Me and I refused
Please Miss can I Oliver have some more 😂
As long as they get all the freebies and perks of the job,we don't matter.....
Every single month,without fail they threaten my son with stopping his UC.They know he can’t do anything for himself & all pressure is on me.Elderly, disabled & confused with the system already. The stress is making us both suffer
I think that most people genuinely want to work but the fear that the Jobcentre puts upon people stops or hinders a lot of people from getting to the confident position to feel empowered to find actually work they can sustain over years to come.
I absolutely agree with this.
The Job Centre is brutal and a sadistic, soul-destroying experience.
I only ended up back in the UK no thanks to Brexit, and have been mostly homeless and unemployed since. I have so many stories if these experiences I'd make a film... Never had a problem working abroad, nor so many blocks to getting on with things.
@@D-jj5dy The whole system needs changing towards positive motivation and not punishing someone to feel exploited or abused.
@@D-jj5dy Exactly, that is why the overall system is failing. People are AFRAID to be off benefits. Afraid!
I DESPISE my local jobcentre,
even when I politely ask a reasonable question they become aggressive and refuse to answer, if my appointment is at 12 0clock they Will keep me waiting until 1245,this happened for months, These "advisers"are so miserable and rude, bottom feeding lowlifes
Have you asked to speak to the Manager?
It was originally designed to help those going through hard times but it seems to be causing the hard times .
when you first claim you get a letter telling you that the law says the amount of money you are allowed to live on,,How can they then remove tht money if the law says you need tht amount to live on,
EXACTLY.. IT IS THE LAW.. THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW AND CAN NOT TELL YOU UNDER WHAT LAW THEY ARE ALLOWED TO REDUCE IT..
BECAUSE THEY ARE LYIG... IT IS A CRIMINAL GOVT MAFIA...
VOTED IN BY COWARDS AND BRAINDEAD USELESS HOUSE SLAVES...
THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS BASED ON SLAVERY.. HOW IS FORCE LAWFUL..?? EVER..???
Because you are allowed to earn a bit, up to the amount that the law says you are allowed to live on ! That's why you can earn a bit that doesn't affect your money.
stiglaa tippoty dre monde That's illegal, you only stayed away one night. Them saying any employee would have to fill a holiday form is not right as they book it in advance. Also the dwp only pay you for 6 days a week, (they don't allow for Sunday as it's not a working day), therefore your argument is as follows. I don't get paid for Sundays so l should not have to fill in a form for a day you don't allow for anyway.If you were at work and worked 'til say 5pm Sat, and were off Sunday, you would go away after work Sat and return Sun eve, no form required. I would write to them stating this and ask for my allowance to be paid back.
The question is: Since when did the "law" count to the government? it doesn't... "laws" and so called "regulations" are not there to help or protect you they are there to regulate our lives, they only pile on the "laws" and "regulations" more and more onto our lives to the point we can barely do anything with our lives and it's pretty much got that way.
SINCE NOW... AND ALWAYS
These are the same kind of people that wrap buildings in plastic and tell you to stay put while it BURNS, they don't care as long as they get paid silly wages for doing naff all!!! Its the i'm alright jak mentality!! and a sense of superiority over claimants graduate or otherwise, play the game tick the boxes, keep them happy.....
I've been off the dole since Jan 2016, so happy I left that sad useless place.
I implore you to stay as far away from the dole as you mortally can, as they are only becoming more and more callous as they seek out every single conceivable excuse to avoid paying your pittance.
conservatives: "we have brought down the unemployed", reckon this is what they say to look good but are in fact covering up the fact that those unemployed people have simply left the benefit office without a job or are using other means to make money.
You are part of the normal society. That's what the world wants. Normal. Not people who want to make a life of living off the dole. Those people who have 13 kids so they can get all the dole allowed, and free housing were con artist trying to bilk the system. This actually made it hard for others that really needed help. They wanted a life time of hand outs. No government owes it's people a living. We must all be productive, and in the end we have a much better life. I loved when President Kennedy said in his inaugration speach "Ask not what your country can do for you, but for what you can do for your country". It speaks volumes.
Typical of the Tory government. Stepping on those who are least able to fight back. Such cowards!
I was on a course before and the lady used to work in a jobcentre and she told us they get sanction targets
+wakeup2theNWO They have targets with financial incentives on a lot of things. The Social services have targets on the number of children they can get adopted, as a result, children get taken from perfectly good, happy homes! It's completely scandalous.
+Lucia Tilyard Oh God you WOULD remind me - yes I know (and i sure rather i didn't) Bless, G
Having worked alongside Work Programme advisers for years, I know the tricks JCP get up to. If you cannot make an appointment, you are supposed to ring, but they don't answer the phone, and so sanction you. I was recently made redundant, and they have been pleasant to me in person, being 'one of them', but the appointments re messed up - the phoneline blames the JCP, the JCP blames the phoneline, my money was wrong, but no one is able to sort it out. Being in work is far easier than having to deal with this shit.
Before I got my current job i was unemployed for a short period of time. The job center were the most unhelpful obstructive people I have ever encountered. They treat everyone like it and if someone complains they make out like it is always an isolated case. Nothing gets done about it because the unemployed are demonised so much. Even if you are genuine need of help while finding work, they fix it to make it as unpleasent and difficult as possible to get any money which you are entitled to as a member of our society.
Lets not forget that the government don't mess about dragging their feet when the money is going in the other direction once you do get a job and pay tax! All this not being allowed to film is to stop evidence of mistreatment getting out.
+James Smith You can AUDIO record you know (and there are affordable discreet/covert video cams too)
AtomicBoogaloo
True. Though I have not had to deal with them again for the last 4 years as I am now a happy tax payer keeping them in emplyment.
I know someone who got sanctioned because they didn't apply for enough jobs the same week their father died - they were not allowed time to grieve !
Dear Ian Swan,
When a claimant is signed to their commitment, there is simply no conceivable excuse for them to avoid their fulfillment of said contract. Whether it's an incapacitating injury, agonizing ailments and even the grieving of a close family member or the obvious inability to actually work, they all fall short of the utter importance of finding work in modern Britain. Any failure in the upkeep of the claimant commitment, however slight, will result in the outright and immediate cessation of financial support for the offending claimant's continued existence.
Regards
Iain Duncan Smith
Terrible Tanner - I don't know what planet you live on, but the low-life Tories failed on most of their commitments and budget targets, do they receive any type of punishment ? Absolutely NOT ! They are SCUM !
RE Dear Ian Swan
Whether or not the Tory parties have achieved their targets or not, is really none of the JobCentre's concern. The JobCentre's concern lies purely in setting ludicrous, meaningless targets for the claimant to achieve until their eventual failure to do so, at which point they will receive arguably the harshest punishment possible in the current British law. No mercy will be shown to these filthy scrounging individuals, regardless of their personal circumstances. Even on Christmas day they are fully expected to print off CVs and spend seven hours posting them through the letterboxes of employers, after which they will then attend a four hour interview techniques course, and then they are to flock to their nearest JobCentre where they will needlessly stare at the several empty job sites for eight more hours whilst under heavy supervision. Failure to satisfy any of these admittedly deranged, preposterous targets will result in the abrupt and absolute sanction of their welfare payments; but at the end of the day, the claimant consented to these targets when they signed the claimant commitment, allowing us to bully them into a sanction - not as if they had any alternative.
Regards
Iain Duncan Smith
thats easy money for the dwp to target they swoop on this like flies to shit
...For anyone who didn't or might not understand the context of my comments, basically, the DWP does simply not care.
Universal Credit exists *purely* to deny people their benefits through the claimant commitment. JobCentre staff are frequently informed that "Sanctioning people helps them find work.", using the false concept that they are scroungers who, when their money is cut, will just get a job.
Of course, that isn't the case. UC is so strict that no-one can scrounge. They'll have you so busy rushing from one meaningless appointment to the next, you won't even have time to look for work.
I was sent a letter asking me to attend a job search interview, the venue was in the next town to me, I phoned up and was told to ignore the letter and a new appointment would be sent for my own town, two weeks later I received a letter saying I was being sanctioned a weeks benefits for not attending the interview I was advised not to attend.
we have workers in poverty. more beds in sheds than we ever would have imagined, and our gov has another 25 billion planned in further austerity over the next 10 years whilst they get richer and richer. we need a modern 'storming of the bastille' and we need it now . cut there heads off. sick of their lies, deceit, scandal, corruption, kiddy rape and disregard for the poor while they enjoy champagne? me too. lets organise together..
get involved in the revolution get involved in the movement and join the fight, any fight just get involved. we the people hold the most influence over labour, out of the political parties, so take back power we vote labour then get involved. we must be heard. email and letters to mp's are awesome for this ! as it also inconveniences them. we must get involved.
Lyndon Egan Pitchfork uprisings have happened many times in history, but the effect is only temporary. The same types of ambitious merciless and uncaring leaders emerge time after time, sometimes they're even the ones doing the beheading at the forefront of the revolution. We'd be better off with more public participation to the point of having a government that does what it is told, not what enriches its peers. Check out these democratic movements: home.38degrees.org.uk/ www.opendemocracy.net/
lol!
+MusicalDudeMayhem your absolutly right boss. think i was just annoyed when i wrote that. i'll only support a peaceful movement. like the one in the labour party currently. wonderfull it is too
+Tar Man no pal the gov owes them the oppertunity to better themselves. but its took away all the resources to do so
My advice to everyone who has their benefits stopped is to go out and steal, when u get caught tell police that ur nfa and go to prison and if everyone did that, this pathetic government would soon rethink this corrupt system.
This is 7 years old, but these conditions are still ongoing and even worse than then, the 'decision makers' will use the slightest excuse to sanction any claimant and EVERYTHING has to be done online not really possible when you cannot afford to have an internet account on the benefits paid.
I was sanctioned for almost 3 months at christmas. I got a letter to be sent back no later than christmas day . i got this letter on the last post before christmas. sick
That is very cruel and at Christmas time on top of it! God will bless you eventually even if you don't know Him. These people are cruel. I feel for you even though I am from South Africa not UK. Some luck will come your way.
I am often bamboozled when situations like this arise because I seriously thought that Job Center staff were paid for by the government purse or taxation, therefore they are public servants. What gives the servant the power to be police, court and judge over the master. A job center coach can take away chunks of you entitlement at will if he/she is not happy with your level of obedience. You must do as your servant demands or you will face a penalty. How the hell can any of this be right.
Yeah THEY are the scroungers and 'Benefit Theives' for:
1- taking the salary and not DOING what most peopleregard as their job, and
2- Illegal/dishonest 'sanctions'
a 'sanction' used to be soemthing we did against some evil Govt thats commiting \|crime against Humantity, like Apartheid South Africa - now its a government tool to COMMIT such crime
The government is run by corporations and the central banks, they're fascists. "I was just doing my job"
Not true - the JobCentre staff are employed to do two things:
1) Sanction people by tripping them up
2) Look for more ways to sanction people
As you will have heard if you're currently signing on, any failure to comply or reach the targets set in your claimant commitment results in an immediate sanction, and your petty attempts to protest this will be reported to a 'Decision Maker', who will maybe glance at your plea in a few years if he so wishes.
"How can they do this?" Quite simply, rather than, say, establishing a 'Living benefit', they have you sign a CONTRACT, which means they can then justify swiping your pittance. With this contract, they will trip you up with ridiculous requirements, and when you fail to meet said requirements, they can 'morally' consign you to oblivion.
I said it from the start giving normal ordinary People power to press that button and stop your money it doesn't matter what circumstances you have that in itself must be immoral " surely 😡
The dwp brake the law on a daily bases. Did you know that the claimant has already paid for their benefits and if they have their benefits stopped or reduced without a court hearing and conviction is unlawful, The bill of right 1689 quite clearly states that finds and forfeitures without a conviction in a court of law is deemed as void .Your MP knows about the bill of rights because they use it to protect their freedom of speech in parliament. Jsa and esa are means tested benefits and all means tested benefits are inalienable which means they can not be taken away from you without your consent or a conviction in a court of law , for example fraud. These benefits are funded from general taxation not income tax . That means you have been contributing all your life and will continual to contribute for the rest of your life. This is what makes your benefits inalienable and the government have a fiduciary responsibility to pay you on demand in other words a social contract. Failure to pay is a breach of contract which is unlawful .This information was gathered from freedom of information requests. You have to remember that this government is completely corrupt and unlawful..... good luck and god bless
+John Smith thats a really interesting point of View, but with all the cuuts in legal Aid a hard one to assert and make happen - however if anyone gets a result asserting these rights, thats awesome..]
AtomicBoogaloo I've been trying to get the dwp into court but they always settle out of court just before the hearing . They are just a bunch of criminals and fraudsters and i treat them with utter contempt and there's fuck all they can do about because they know they are acting unlawfully.
John Smith you are great for writing this. most people don't know this especially those who are uneducated
@@JohnSmith-vy4lh its easy saying it .if one been sanctioned what is the process for challenge
@@super8212 You have to go through their appeals procedure which can take many months before it's heard at a tribunal.
If you wish to challenge the regulations then you would have to apply for a judicial review at the high court.
This is exactly the same thing that goes on with German Jobcenters. There they will mail people the summons to appear for an interview two days before so that the notice arrives on the same day as the scheduled interview. That means if you didn't get your mail early enough that day, you're going to miss the interview and they can sanction you and decrease your benefits. Sometimes you'll miss the interview all the same because the mail didn't come early enough too.
+statinskill Ohh nooo - there goes my dream of germany as civilised Liberal Democracy - best of luck, Tschuss !
Sanctions should be banned and people should be re-embursed. Everyone should try to look for work, but theyre not enuff jobs - obviously.
Benefits should be banned.
Jason Lee theres plenty of jobs people who go to a job centre to look for a job don’t have qualifications that means less options
@@Isnt-it-Lovely With that attitude, you should be banned. From planet earth.
That's the tories for you. So whoever voted them it's your vault
I was told I was to go to a job club, I said I can't go, She yes you can, I said I can't, I said if you send me to a job centre I have bipolar with sever anxiety and depression and I have violent intrusive imagines in my head of me being very violent with people and if you put me in a job club I will panic and I will pick up a sharp pencil and either stick it in someone's eye socket or hurt myself as I self harm, I said to her that I'm not a bad person, I am just somone who is at the mercy of my mental health and I said to her if something does happen it would come back to her and she would lose her job and there would be a police investigation and I would just be sectioned, She said to me I think your right and referd me to the DWP to apply for PIP, I am now on full benefits.
The unemployment offices in the US, any state does this to people. Put you in a part-time job at the lowest pay with less than 20 hours a week across town and you either ride a late arriving bus or have no transportation. Transportation costs are out of this world and that's one way with no connecting ticket. The government wants the poor in crisis. No benefits, help, work or shelter.
Wow, the US has over-priced public transport which dependably arrives no less than 30 minutes late? I didn't think anywhere but Britain could boast such woeful inefficiency.
As for the "poor in crisis", crisis would be comfortable compared to what they actually would like. Look up "Victorian Workhouses" - that will give you a basic idea of what they're dreaming of every night.
I'm a 26 year old student who's currently signing on for JSA. They took every conceivable bit of paperwork off me to make sure I'm studying for less than 16 hours a week (I study for 10) I even got them a letter directly from the college stating my hours and course. I got a letter through the door this morning saying they were disputing my claim as I'm in full-time education, so I'm now penniless.
If this is what they do to people who are trying to better themselves, and are looking for work. I'd hate to see what they do to people who don't tow their line.
Despicable ! Should face prison. It's corruption!
My job centre is 4 miles a way,i have no transportation or buses only a mountain bike ,i nearly got killed on icey road conditions skidding in front of an artic lorry because i didn't want to be late for my appointment.Told my coach,they didnt give a fuck and said i was 2 minutes late next time you'll be sanctioned.I said spare it next time i'll probably be dead
Luckily for you, you caught your work 'coach' on a good day.
If that was any other day, I guarantee that you would have been sanctioned on the spot. Take that as a monumental act of mercy, and, if you rely on your pittance, set off four hours early next time.
del boy yeh idiots expect you to be there 10 mins before your appointment but its ok if they keep u waiting 30mins because they talk too much shit
This is a disgrace
This is a Tory eugenics program.
It all by design
truly evil
I went to sign on in Edinburgh once, spent 20 minutes in a queue and that honestly was enough time in the job center... Out of the 10 years I lived in the U.K not a single position was gained through the jobcentre.. I know some folk have no choice, but you're basically signing up to be bullied, abused, threatened and penalised by the government on the whim of a JC employee... Fuckin rammit !!!!
sounds like someone is stealing someone's money via sanctions
i was sanctioned because i wasnt doin enough to look for work even though i just had 3 members of my murdered in a house fire, i just lost 3 members of my family n they expecting me like nothing had happened
The government is taking the piss i think it's time for a change...
Yeah... Call Russel Brandt !!!
i am so angry, the goverment need to be exsposed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!speak out people dont fear
When I was in the jobcentre I heard an advisor say to a young lad well if u don't come in at the time I say...u will be sanctioned...I don't know who the think they are in that place...
this is criminal
This video is almost 4 years old, and nothing's improved. The problem is that they think you don't want to work, because in their eyes, that's why you're unemployed, or have been for such a long period of time. Far from it. I have been overlooked for jobs I have applied for since leaving college last June (7 months at time of typing), despite applying for at least 6 jobs a week. There aren't enough jobs for the amount of people unemployed. Also, the staff shouldn't have had their faces hidden and voices distorted. Show their faces. You wouldn't hide them from the people they sanction.
We aren't people to the DWP.
i was assigned to the work programme despite appealing. all my letters of appeal were consistently ignored (all 30) i went to dalston and hackney mare street JCP but nobody would help me. i went to the ceo's office of DWP appealing but was not allowed to speak to anybody or see anybody about it. j some 4 years later the independent regulatory body for DWP (who are ICE) investigated my 8 year backlog of incompetence negligence and maladministration and specificaly advised that "it was some of the worst abuse they had ever investigated" (stet). i have lost 8 years of my life due to such amibivalence and ruthlessness. ICE upheld nearly all my complaints but i was only able to cherry pick aobut 5 out of maybe 50 atrocities. Its shameful! fortunately for me i could prove phone calls, text messages, visits in person where i got signatures for letters received, as well as emails. A salutory lesson. however just being involved in managing the ICE ivnestigation i spent more than 1000 hours MORE of my time preparing and evidencing everythimg. i am bedriddenn and housebound with a raft of health problems. its a bloody joke
Please tell if you have the time - Did you receive monetary compensation?
Advisers and 'decision makers' in the Job Centre are disgusting creatures. I used to be on Job Seekers Allowance after one of my old jobs refused to renew my temporary contract. I was gutted, but obviously JSA was the only chance I had to survive and pay my way. They were awful with me. I used to log my job searches on my account AND I did Word documents and printed them off for them so that they could see exactly what I was doing. I did this as I really wanted a job. I did a thousand more things than I had to, yet they always moaned at me about something or other. One time I was going to be late, so I phoned them ten minutes before my appointment. Surprise surprise when I turned up at 14:06 (six minutes late) they told me they couldn't see me and I was sanctioned for four weeks! Although it was only two weeks prior to that they had me waiting nearly 45 minutes just for a five minute sign on. The second and last time they took the piss out of me was about five weeks after my sanction finished; I had an interview with someone from the Open University about prospects of going into study (as I have qualifications and wanted to study maths/accounting), I did tell the Job Centre in person and via phone, I was told they had made me a new appointment and that I should get a confirmation email/letter from the university to prove where and what I was doing. I went to the interview, got a letter and took it into my appointment the next day. I was greeted to my adviser telling me that my claim had been stopped and that I had been sanctioned for six weeks for failing to attend my second appointment within the space of three months. Luckily the university accepted me and now, six years later, I am teaching A level business in a local college. The Job Centre - to put it bluntly - are dickheads, and I feel sorry for anyone who has to use that service.
Go you! and yes they are terrible as are most things for the most desperate under the tories
so you were using the dole to study. Most people who study via the OU manage to do so while working. I have no sympathy for you.
Where's your evidence that most people are working when studying at the OU?
Happy christmas! OU website states 70 per cent of people on OU degrees are in full time employment. Other research indicated 3 per cent in addition were over 65 and presumably mostof these people were retired.
Is that full time or part time? Are you sure?
Im just shocked how the Tories won another term in 2015!
+eternallycool its a disgrace the labour party is so right wing. untill j corbyn wins!!
How much is 1 weeks benefits compered to keeping someone in prison for 1 week..because they steal food..because there benefit was cut off???
The poor people with families are suffering no home no food no money there have no hope for the future
why isn't there an investigation by our press high lighting the scandalous universal credit system and the risk it poses to people and the impact to there lives......there should be an outcry people losing their homes not being able to pay for food gas elecy
Universal Credit = Hunger Games!!! ☠️
Can’t we just sue them?
I work full time now but when I was claiming I was sanctioned for missing an interview date for a jobsearch group called CDG. Funny thing is the interview date was changed without my knowledge so it would have been impossible to attend anyway, in my time as a JSA claimer I looked for jobs heavily, never late for an appointment and was nothing but respectful.
How I was treated disgusted me, no money for 2 months so I couldn't look for work at all, starving myself because I couldn't afford to eat, running up debts etc. CDG and DWP. Fuck you!.
how can you kick your own son out on the streets thats not the way to sort things out wtf
Far too many selfish parents about its shocking. I was thrown out of my mums home by my step dad several times for just not liking him mentally abusing my mum. Mum let him do it . Its cruelty. That's what it is.
What a corrupt society we live in, and how do thay make it better thay put the retirement age up .
Yes knowing full well that at 50 employers are no so interested and depending on your health many jobs you can't do
We live in a Tory society. People get what they voted for.I wonder how many of those voted for there own doom?
@@dudedoesntcare2666 and they will vote for it again and again until Labour are finished. There will be no other competing party.
I got a job offer. To start full time. I was happy went to jc told them. They wer happy. But when i questioned what help will i get untill my first wage comes (monthly)? They sed zilch the day you start thats the day u sign off. So i said how do i cope untill then i hav 2 kids and paymeters (electric/gas) n wer do i get the mortgage payment from. Their answer we cant do anything youve got childtax credits do it with that.
How sad is that.
Then they sed people abuse the system.. true but how can she prove that i abuse it. I havent even been claiming for six minths yet. They have to see efforts of wat people are making.
Now i am planning to go back ask the same questions on monday 27/01/14 but record it. N watch out for my video.
I am going to report them take them to court get involved with media n what eva ither routes i can go down..... im pissed off.
U get a job offer then u have reconsider it over 10x before u can make a decsion.
I dnt blame people hu work n get cash in hand. After all the hard work they still c u as a abuser. ..
What a shit organization it is
Of course ya come off benefit if ya got a job dumb ass. Ya can't work and claim until ya wages come through. What are you on? Where you going to pay them back when ya got paid? No thought not.
@Chis O'Connor...Your English is shocking... Do you work for DWP?
Take the job and get off this horrible system. It is cruel people working at these centres and a cruel government.
When you realise your own country to an extent has more sanctions on it that North Korea after another nuclear bomb test.
the job center don't care
trouble these day you could work 100+ hours a week never go out
and still never afford a house ,renting is just as bad
and thats how the powers that be want it
fred bloggs too right. I often worked two jobs to feed my family. When I got one full time and sustainable job as a taxi driver,which I held down for nearly 20 years,I was still in the same struggle day and daily. I'm 42 now and medically unable to work. I probably worked more hours up until the age of 42than most 65 year old recently retired would do,no exaggeration.
fred bloggs - slavery.
Who is working more than one hundred hours a week?
Renting isn't bad in a house share. If you rented a flat yeah it would be expensive.
@@crazycrab9467 security guards.60 hrs basic.then 40 to make ends meet.
Pitiful and heartbreaking
I was sanctioned for 9 months for failing to attend an interview i knew nothing about so with no money went into house breaking but i did stick to the posh houses and only stole enough to cover my benefits and was never told of hardship payments will go back to it if i get sanctioned again
Grow weed instead mate.
Yes Dave, just wrote a post about Hardship (above) it seems it's their policy not to tell you about it which is disgraceful. Let people starve rather than tell them about money they are entitled to. Makes my blood boil.
David Hamilton you should have break into job centre staff houses. So funny.
The thing is the very thing they are trying to do save money, it will cost more money in the end, crime, prison sentences, mental health, depression, people being on medication, people ending up with drug addictions etc, is it really worth it, Don't think so,
Exactly. People turn to crime to feed themselves or starve and wind up in hospital, both of which cost more than just paying.
they dont give ATOS
We need to put DWP workers in prison
This is still going on.
It will lead to crime
I suffer from anxiety and depression, being on job seekers makes it worse. It's hard for me to get on another benefit. It's a horrible situation
Some people can find Jobs very easily, I've not had a proper job since 2011,it's really miserable going to the high street evey few Days Just to break up the boredom
Same here I'm.also autistic and have to go back on it after a year off studying full time
I'm only going back on to help me fund next year as I'm doing one more year then finding a job/further training
I wish I could get a job, but at 59 it is hard. The Jobcentre is useless. I was switched over to UC, from CA. I received £155 on April 1, the DWP stopped eight weeks Carers Allowance off my UC, because they reckon I'm still receiving it, even so it stopped on February 14th. I've asked for a Hardship Allowance, but No because it is only available if you've been Sanctioned.
This was found under the Labour government. Labour did not represent the working class
More people should send videos in about this. Then maybe this unfeeling Tory goverment will take notice.
The Tories will not 'take notice', understand?
The Tory government will only take notice when they start losing votes. Most people have jobs so they don't care. Thatcher's Britain "I'm alright Jack".
These people are fully aware of the callous crimes they are committing. After all, they invented the system, and every time some poor, down-on-their-luck adult, teenager, or even a disabled person they deemed 'fit to work' is forced onto a full-time, wage-less "work placement", it is the Tories who benefit.
I feel so sorry for the young people today. There very few apprenticeships unlike my day in the 1970s. Then you could walk from one trade to another looking for the job that suited you. All this was swept away in the 1980s by Thatcher's government.
It must be very worrying when you have no money for food, no rent being paid so homelessness is a very real possibilty. This is really a very shabby way to treat the next generation.
I attended the job centre for six weeks, not for money, i wasn't entitled because my partner was a student nurse. I simply went believing they could help me find a job i tore through applications like a mad man and every fortnight i would ask the advisor if there was anything going like intern ships, training blah blah, he was not interested all he wanted to do was sign me off and get to the next person, AGAIN i was not there for benefits just another angle to employment but they seriously don't give a shit if you get a job they will make an arse out of you if you don't look but they really don't care about helping you find a job
I really feel quite sorry for the guy walking through the park
I tell my wife, as well be immigrants to get
Free stay in heated hotels ( it is very cold now )
3 hot meals a day
Free cash
Hot coffee……
My wife reply, if you are UK citizens, no way, if you are not “selected “ as immigrants, no way. Great UK
I was thrown off PIP when all of my medical and psychological issues are permanent. They are eighteen weeks behind in opening the applications so I am on basic ESA .
But are you going to appeal?
I got refused cos I was well cos at the 1st assessment I was well groomed and clean. I showed no distress and I clean my flat.
I get anxious if I haven't had a wash for over 2 days and I have to change my bedding every 10 days otherwise it plays on my mind.
I ended up in the psyche ward and finally with help I got it.
Best of luck
I was sanctioned twice because I was busy taking care of my mother and then I was told to taken myself off of benefits because my ex job coach consider going to college part time was the same as full time.
I've been on JSA for 2 years now, I've had 5 sanctions, mostly 2 weeks, however I had a 3 month one from November 2013 to January 2014. I apply for 20-35 jobs a week, I've had around 10 interviews, out of those job interviews only 1 job which lasted 1.5 days.
I left school at the age of 16, went to college for 9 months, and then had to suffer without money from the age of 17 until I was 18. When I was 18 I signed on, and became apart of the stereotype that goes along with it.
I turned 20 just yesterday, and I'm still looking for a job. I end the Work Programme in July, and then from there I will be put into "Mandatory Work", i.e. Slavery. I have never been more desperate for a job.
I have hardly any experience for the jobs I'm applying for, and I'm mostly self-taught, so because I have no official certificate I'm rejected. IMO this country has gone to shit, I can't do fuck all!
I am far from lazy, I travel to Edinburgh & Glasgow each week to hand out my CV into shops, I cold call companies asking if they have vacancies and obviously job search online.
No one wants to hire me, because I DO NOT have the experience they want, despite having the skill set.
I volunteer at my local Credit Union in order to gain experience, but I doubt that will be credible on my CV.
I've never been so low in my entire life.
It must be hard. But maybe volunteering may help you gain experience. I'm not talking about DWP programmes, but things like social services, nhs, schools etc, all need and use volunteers, some of whom go on to careers.
I signed on last year for a total of ten days. I left uni, was unemployed and therefore entitled to JSA. It was hassle from the word go. I was threatened with sanctions at my first signing appointment for saying a particular training course would be a waste of time for me. Then she (lied) saying I'd have to do 35 hours a week searching for jobs (bullshit advisors tell you). Anyway, here I am a year later, a degree in English, working on a production line in a factory. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones (!) as it seems we aren't allowed to dream or pursue an idea anymore. It's weird when you think about it - why the absolute necessity instilled in society about staying in work? Because we certainly don't work to better ourselves and each other anymore. It's become about survival, and it's all going to come down like a house of cards the way it's going.
What kind of work are you looking for? if your a bloke I recommend getting a cscs card and doing labouring on a building site it can be good money £7-10 a hour and its a way to learn something.
I'm thinking about working abroad. They want English speaking people in loads of different countries around the world to teach English. You don't need any quals/certificates, just need to pass a tefl course. It all costs money though - you wouldn;t want to be stranded in Dubai or Cambodia if it wasn't working out! But there are other options. I hear Norway are looking for people to work on the oil rigs too - the money is supposed to be stupendous
This is the same thing happening to my Son but what they don't know is my Son has to care for me and my husband because we are both ill and disabled but i am supposed to be the full time carer but i have been too ill 🤒 to do it and have needed one myself, so my Son is in a predicament but i don't want that life for him. I have been trying to get better but with the problems with the NHS it is impossible.
I feel your pain.
This is all looking v ray dickensian. In Victorian and Edwardian times they had work houses for the poor with deliberately cruel and inhumane conditions to shame and distress the poor into employment . This feels similarly degrading and a war on the socially disadvantaged, the poor and the vulnerable.
the jobcenter sent me for security training at collage and i passed but its £250 for the badge and the job center wont pay for it or help to pay so i can get into work in security that they made me do in the first place..
the collage told me that if this carrys on they we pull the security training from the collage because no one is getting into security jobs... i havnt got £250 to spend on a bit of plastic and im likely to never too. futher more i had to take 7 exams and had to pass them all with zero wrong answers and needed 100% score, and i was told by my instructor to do home work and revise. yet after my collage training the job center threatend to saction me for not looking for work while i was at collage all day every day for 2 months.. its condescending, hypocritical behavior by people who are not in power and dont have any qualifications to make such decisions on peoples lives!!!!!!!! sometimes i often think of waiting for theses people to leave work so i can find out where they live... its gotton that personal because they have made it personal too by having quoters on how many people to saction every week!!!!!!! when someone has nothing to loose its dangerous!!!!!
I was set up to fail by my local jobcentre too they do have a target I have seen it myself
Now the New Community work programme is in effect the unemployed are instructed to work for free ''or'' be Sanctioned, On the Programme you will undertake 26 weeks unpaid work and that could be for a company or Council that would once have paid you.
Your labour will result in zero wages doing nothing but keeping you in poverty, working for the 26 week period will not help pay for food or any utility bills.
A sham of a scheme that offers no help in returning you back to where people want to be, earning money, i wonder how many Counselors or MP's or even DWP - Civil servants would work for free, it wasn't long ago they were threatening to go on Strike over pensions.
Sadly being out of work gives us No voice and treated like criminals, shame on us.
Britain isn't eating, but we're working, sadly without any wages, don't complain, get on with it, as Mr Cameron or Ian Duncan Smith would do.
I'm sure they would
+Gary Steven Nice writing dude, succinct and to-the-point - DO check out Johnny Void, dwpunspun.com and stopworkfare . org - Rock On !
+Gary Steven well if you don't like it get a job
+Suilven Mountain Spiteful.
+NICHOLAS THORNLEY no just fed up with whinging
+Suilven Mountain Big Lack of them, people now work for nothing what with the Community work Programme
So he said they target ,1 vulnerable people, 2 low poorly educated. As for gullible people that's all those people who are first time visiting their local jcb, people who have been putting into the system for years and trusted it only to be bullied. I volunteered and these targets have made many 1st time claimants fall into depression, homelessness and physical anxiety attacks. DWP and JCB are utterly deplorable and these policies have created even more claimants in the long run and making people homeless ends up costing those councils 3 times as much when they end up paying for expensive hostels/private-rentals + cost of people ending up on medical leave I have witnessed people having palpatations and the JCBs offer zero awareness on stress management for its customers.
Yes, it's becoming all too common Anne, .. it falls on the family and friends to help them out. This government seem to think everyone on jobseekers is a freeloading waste of space who don't deserve help. And it has a knock on effect if you are recieiving housing benefit.. that gets stopped aswell. It's maddening!!
It's still the same today.