Thank you Professor Lennox for everything I’ll never meet you, you’ll never know my name. I appreciate your time and most strikingly your attitude towards others. I think it’s safe to say you’ve helped millions of people with their faith and the rest to at least have an uncomfortable conversation with themselves. A true role model.
Josh Anderson and John Lennox are a wonderful and powerful combination. I'm so glad this conversation is preserved forever for our great benefit. Thank you both.
Orthodox Christian churches around the country have been exploding with new converts in the last couple years, and mostly young men. It's really fascinating. My church alone has more than doubled in size, and we're way out in the boonies!
My church is more Protestant, and it’s blowing up as well, and we’re in the heart of Portland, Oregon. People are turning to God in droves, it’s amazing.
Or specifically using the methodology of science to arrive at the origins of something rather than nothing. Using the claim that we know a God/s originated everything is lazy & exhibits impatients... Why are we humans compelled to make claims about things we have NO evidence to support.
I hope there is a god, but if there is we are so primitive, that to imagine we can figure out the secrets of the universe and beyond or the very mind of god, takes wild hubris, inflated ego. The more you know the less you realise you do and we all stand on the shoulders of giants who are still ants ❤
His argumentation is laughable at best. He barely distinguishes between claims and evidence and lists “personal experiences” as his final “proof” for the existence of the God he happens to believe in. The same excuse for a reason, that other believers in other Gods mumble too when asked. Maybe he is a good mathematician, I neither know nor care, his kindergarten epistemology is not better than what one would expect of a medieval peasant.
@@DavidvanVeen-v4p I disagree with your statements about John Lennox. I’ve read 24 of his books and his main reason that he claims for rejecting materialism is that it undermines reason. Furthermore, he’s always claimed that his theistic belief is the result of accumulative evidence. Note in point my friend, it’s OK to have strong opinions and want to share them, but I think it’s our duty to listen to more than a conversation or two before making judgments about somebody. Whether you agree with him or not, John Lennox is a profound thinker and has made great contributions in his mathematical work and also with his work challenging the the new atheist movement.
@@alanfrye460Perhaps there is no new atheist movement simply millions of like minded individuals around our world as me interested in exploring emerging social, scientific and archeological evidence that indicate alternative realities to innumerable beliefs fixed at a point time by ancient interpretations of historical records. I have nothing to defend or assert about the existence or otherwise of a god/s or a superior religious cult simply a passionate desire to live in peace love and harmony with my fellow man. Kind regards Tim
For those who my might be interested, John Lennox's book 2084 and the AI Revolution is an updated and expanded edition of his previous book 2084. It is set to come out mid-December 2024. 😊 Edit. It's an intriguing idea that AI isn't capable of developing human-like consciousness since computer code coupled with hardware would be inert bits and bytes and so forth, but (on the assumption Christianity is true) it is possible for AI to develop a human-like consciousness if it is possessed by a spiritual entity (e.g. demon). If that happens, it would presumably marvel the world. I don't know what I personally think about this idea, but again it's intriguing.
As Jesus said "where your treasure is there your heart will be also" So yes, it's quite possible for AI to be a defacto god for those who depend on it for all their needs and for amoral direction for their lives
It's great that John Lennox is sat there, dressed all nicely and properly and smartly, but repping a pair of retro-looking Air maxes - come on! - And God bless you, John.
His argumentation is laughable at best. He barely distinguishes between claims and evidence and lists “personal experiences” as his final “proof” for the existence of the God he happens to believe in. The same excuse for a reason, that other believers in other Gods mumble too when asked. Maybe he is a good mathematician, I neither know nor care, his kindergarten epistemology is not better than what one would expect of a medieval peasant.
Mr Lennox mentions CS Lewis in connection with science and faith, (rather than science versus faith). Lewis mentions a moment in time when ‘the mind became more capable of abstraction and analysis.’ The age of science began then. Logic and reason, given pride of place in the scientific project, rejoice at what they find in the Kingdom of Heaven but they are not the means of entry. The task of thinkers like Jordan Peterson and others including (gasp!) French philosophers, is to indicate how and where the key to the Kingdom is to be found, and then logic and reason come into their inheritance - with ‘an angel’s reach of thought’ to use John Henry Newman’s phrase, the human mind enters, and reflects upon, realms and realities hitherto closed to it. Food for real thought, at last!
I take from your comment that you are against hyper-rationality...is that fair? I am a fan of Ayn Rand to many extents; she was at least more innocent in her hyper-rationality than someone like Peterson, who is rather fleeting in his rationality. Ayn at least had her own narrative.
I haven’t come across the expression ‘hyper-reality’ before, but it strikes me that if strict adherence to the rules of reason and logic (rationalism) constitute a prison for the mind, then hyper-rationalism is a high-security prison. The capacity of faith to release us from such a restricted life is placed before the believer in Scripture: ‘Peter, bound with two chains, was sleeping between two soldiers, while guards in front of the door were keeping watch over the prison. Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and said to Peter, “Get up quickly.” And the chains fell off his wrists. The angel said to him,” Wrap your cloak around you and follow me.” Peter went out and followed him.’ (Acts of the Apostles Ch. 12) ‘bound with two chains.’ The two chains are time and space. ‘between two soldiers.’ The two soldiers are logic and reason when promoted above their station to a rank they do not merit. ‘guards in front of the door… keeping watch,’ These guards stand sentinel over the human heart, determined to prevent the word of God from taking root there. They are myths, legends, superstitions, Old Wives tales, philosophies, the fashionable opinions of every Age, the isms ( among them rationalism) and issues that colonise the minds of so many in our time. All of these constitute the Labyrinth of Greek mythology. Well, faith is not exactly everyone’s cup of tea these days, I get that, but it is mine. As has been pointed out, it, (faith) is ‘ wholly supernatural and its exercise leads us into the supernatural order.’ I like it there, I like what I find there, and I take great delight in listening to the conversation of those who speak out of lived experience of that order. Podcasts such as John Anderson’s constitute the Samizdat of our time.
@@richardchisholm5151 I think I might have just made up the term hyper-rationality 😏, but I think it does represent a real problem. I think people that at least wrestle with issues of faith are often better people than those who don't think it is even relevant, like the technocrats, but I can't say know enough about Ayn to say if she was actually a good person or not. Either way, I didn't invent that term to disagree with you; I am also open to the World of faith and I think it is a real problem of trans-Humanism. But is a somewhat pitiable quest in a way; why shouldn't they wan't to reduce human life to the problem of death if they can't conceive of the possibility of something better than material immortality?
What Dr Lennox is saying is what I have discovered from my studies and is not what the school teaches. Before Rome there was Alba, the white city kingdom of the Etruscan civilization and Athens and Crete, the entire Mediterranean civilization was under the system of polytheism of the Egyptian and Mesopotamian gods. Rome was builted on the populations of two civilizations, the Greek and Etruscan who came from Mesopotamian branches and Troy so changed the names of their Gods but were the same as the gods of Egypt or the Babylonians - the gods of rich men with Tempels - all kings were made gods after their death by their sons. Now with the chosen Jewish nation, monotheism was preserved and the Old Testament story from Noah to Abraham is the beginning of Jewish Christianity. I love you Dr Lennox and please continue to bring light to students who have been blinded by Illuminati communism and other anti-Christian schools.
Thank you John, I love your Media, it is switching on my 82 (almost) years mind and I am once a profession Infantryman for 22 years. You are doing something good for me and others . God bless you !
I was born in Oxford a short walk from John’s Templeton college. The hallowed halls of intellectual academic universities allow wonderfully quirky individuals like him to blossom. I like listening to his exquisite perambulations when calmly asserting his beliefs that he follows his God through a superior religion and thoughtfully rebutting all emerging scientific evidence that could possible shake his faith. He is proof that doctrine is stronger than any alternative evidential knowledge. It was Christian theologians that debunked Darwin and persecuted Williams Tyndale to be garrotted and burnt at the stake for translating the bible into English. Kind regards Tim
I don’t think the tension is between faith and atheism or faith and science or science and atheism. The absence of faith is primarily a tension between faith and pride.
"We thought that when Christianity had been removed, that Atheism would takeover, and that's not true, polytheism has taken over. Every person has their own God or is their own God." Wow!
The statement only rings true in western society. Islam is taking over in the religious space and due to socialism taking control in our universities people have become hedonistic, particularly women.
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@@gregpfaffe4098 do you think Jesus’ teachings were repetitive and dull, or fresh and relevant? That’s one problem with a Church which the left brain has come up with. A church of the known, yet god isn’t in the known. That’s why we search and seek.
Also see “The Myth of Religious Neutrality: An Essay on the Hidden Role of Religious Belief in Theories” by Roy A Clouser, (from the amazon blurb) “Written for undergraduates, the educated layperson, and scholars in fields other than philosophy, The Myth of Religious Neutrality offers a radical reinterpretation of the general relations between religion, science, and philosophy.” Chapters 11-13 present the best summery (in English) of the philosophy of the Dutch philosophy Herman Dooyeweerd. 😊
"We need a philosophy of reason and of rational self-interest, a philosophy that would once again release the power of man’s mind and the energy inherent in his pursuit of happiness. Nothing less will save America or individual rights." -Leonard Peikoff-1986
@@Creality.R.Crooks Suffering as part of life, who can deny it. But trying to reconcile the idea of a supposed good and loving god with the reality of unbearable animal suffering is insane
@@juancarlosv5136 You're entitled to your own personal opinion because you're a sentient organism with Free Will. There is no natural law against insanity.
I study history because I always loved it and since my school I had the hunger to know the world. What Dr Lennox is saying is what I have discovered by my studies and those are not what the school teaches. Before Rome there was Alba the White City kingdom of Etruscan civilization and Athene and Crete all the Mediterranean civilization was under the Polytheism system of Egyptian and Mesopotamia gods. Rome builded up upon two civilisations the Greek and Etruscan and mesopotamia all kings made Gods after their death. Now with the Jewish chosen nation monotheism was preserved and Old Testament history is the beginning of Christianity. There was also Monotheism born with Abraham the Father of all nations and now we have reached what Dr Lennox said in the beginning of our old times Paganism of Polytheism the same of Athene and Rome before Christ was born. Love you Dr Lennox
Choosing to believe in the Christian God is surely the beginning of becoming a Christian for some people. If God is drawing them to Himself and they meet with the Lord Jesus Christ and have a personal relationship with Him, then they will be a Christian.
I would claim that practicing the values espoused by Jesus Christ together with nurturing LOVE would be sufficient to qualify as embodying Christianity & NO god need be invoked, after all JC taught *_"God is LOVE"_* manifest LOVE you manifest God(atheists & theist satisfied respectively). BTW the only reason the label *_'atheist'_* exists is because theists go around making claims without furnish merit worthy evidence no surprise some others they deem atheist reject!
Many years ago, I read a comment that has stuck with me, which is We cannot read the Greek philosophers except through a Christian prism. I include the Islamists, for I reject their origins story, Islamism is a warriors faith, which sees Jesus ,such as did the German Warriors who chose Arianismm and whose success until the resurgence Of of East Rome was equally spectacular and unmiraculous as that of the Arabs, If Justinian’s had not been stopped by what seems to be a world wide catastrophe, which also affected Persia. almost was ,much. No doubt in my mind that tewifr would have been no Arab Empire.
Well said. People really do underestimate the influence of Greek philosophy on New Testament Christianity in particular. Tom Holland, of all people, should be more alert to that possibility. Stoicism flourishes in Christian teachings and the Cynics to some extent.
Although we often think we choose Christianity and to some extent we do. After some time we begin to realise that He led us and convicted then convinced and converted us by the gracious activity of the Holy Spirit.
Wisdom is about the alignment of what actually happens not what we wish to happen. Hope is the foundation we stand on when everything around us begins to shake. The end result of politicized law enforcement is democide. Law is more closely related to morality. Grace and mercy are more closely related to ethics. Nature always takes away everything it promises, only God keeps his promises. There are tragedies that can't be avoided and there are triumphs that can't be ignored. The molecular machinery of life is liquid crystals playing quantum jazz. Liberty is not just a game, it's the only game that matters. A complaint lives in a spectrum from politely pointing out a flaw to becoming the self proclaimed voice of reason. The word 'evolution' has blinded many to the miracle of existence. Something from nothing, energy from nowhere, and order from chaos is not an explanation.
I want to ask Mr John one question. This question is leading me towards atheism. I believe if could find a reasonable answer may be I will find myself more close to the truth. My question is IF THERE IS A GOOD GOD ANYWHERE THEN WHY THERE IS EVIL IN THIS WORLD?
Alex O Connor is suffering from being smart enough to recognize that either atheism or Christianity could technically be true, while he has the ability to persuade himself of any truth he likes through his deep reasoning and arguments. So him not believing in Christianity is a choice on his part. Hyperfocus on the details you dislike or don't understand, and you can disbelieve anything you want.
Criticising Deuteronomy may seem like hyperfocusing on the details, but there are a lot of people who take every single word of the Bible literally, so it isn't just an intellectual indulgence on Alex's part, nor Dawkins for that matter.
@@chadjcrase the problem is if you try to treat the Bible like a science journal. It uses way looser language and it often requires you to know the Hebrew words and cultural context to understand the details correctly. It has become a stumbling block to him and many who think similarly. A better approach is to see if the core truths of Christianity are plausibly true in reality, and if not, what better explains the whole narrative than it being true.
"Hyperfocus on the details you dislike or don't understand, and you can disbelieve anything you want." Particulary the "don't understand" part is a prime example of poisoning the well. Judging a religion by its scripture is a completely honest way to engage. Sorry that this means that you have to undergo a massive ammount of mental gymnastics to dismiss the parts you dislike.
@@DavidvanVeen-v4p he's not judging it by an honest interpretation of scripture however but instead looking for flaws and inconsistencies. The point is that the Christian scriptures are entirely internally consistent when you do proper hermeneutics on them.
Humans playing at being gods was always part of the plan, demonstrating the virtue of humility that even God had to learn the hard way by waking up as a human Messiah
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AI literally cannot be god, if you understand what god is. Ai could be viewed as some kind of superbeing, but god isn’t a super being, God is existence itself.
@@robertholland7558 You are more right than you realise. God exists outside our perception. These AI’s have no conscious experience. They exist as a kind of thought process. Their conception of us is merely a projection within its thought process. To us God is similarly transcendent, seemingly inaccessible. Yet God also has the value of immediate and imminent closeness, closer than our mental space which possesses a detached object subject division.
@@robertholland7558 I’ve heard of that, never looked into it as it seemed a little tongue in cheek, like flat earth. But no. God cannot be ‘the Annunaki’ or any other being you could point to or label. An ‘Annunaki’ would still be a PART of this universe. God cannot be a part.
@@Mevlinous read the book of Enoch. Conveniently left out of the Bible. The universe is undefinable, so referring to it as “God” is false. We exist in a 3 dimensional, 5 senses universe, extremely limiting our ability of perception of anything beyond that. Only those that achieve the rare state of transcendence meditation have the slightest insight.
In a materialistic world you will be miserable, you can only be happy in this world by helping others and living in a community, that values truth, the materialistic world leads to selfishness, the individual's needs over everyone else.
I don't think that is entirely true. I know a lot of wealthy people who are generally quite happy and I have known others who have devoted their lives for others and they seemed to me to be quite unhappy. The meaning of life is different for everyone. A materialistic world doesn't determine your happiness.
There are different levels of happiness Anybody in the world can be happy either having their basic needs meet ot having the human love around them True Joy is when we share our life with others by walking the extra mile Sometimes a Little bit of love goes a long way The Real Live that God offers to us and the Love that comes out of us after He had change our life's and making New Creatures in this big Universe, is what making thirst True happiness is to let our light shine to other with real Love and unselfish kindness Love is the answer for true happiness ( Joy ) @@lesmotley6839
Fighting for the Soul of America. Immediately, Woke agenda administrated into all govt. institution and public sectors. By passing "we the people" public information and understanding the significant effects and practicality of Woke agenda. Unknown, unchecked, unproven, undetected intentionally in replacing and reshaping America's Christian fundamentals tradition. Once in power Woke agenda spontaneously spread throughout all Western culture, in a combine coordinated Govt. effort worldwide promoting Woke Indoctrination: LBGTQ/DEI/Gaypride/Atheism/Racialtheory/BLM/Greens/Feminist/Abortions/MarxismIslamic. 2024 looking back learning and understanding now the negative effect we experienced... we the people judge Woke agenda is a lie, therefore revealing its unfairness and impracticality moral inferiority to our traditional Judeo-Christian principles ethics and values attributing to God's Moral Authority. Those unelected elites who hide in the shadow, knowing this monstrous Woke doctrine obviously crafted by those Woke university corrupt philosophers. Deceptively counterfeiting human rights/equal rights aligned to Wokeism. Then those clever elites using our value against us redefining right from wrong, good from bad (changing the weights and measures of Biblical scales: changing and meaning of words). This was a coordinated Woke global effort. Mass immigration open boarders 20 million aliens changing the demographic ratio in America population in intent to re-shape American, by granting them citizenship making them eligible to vote to remain in power. I shock and in diss-belief the low levels and length the party will act to remain in power. Seem's now the party allegiance and interest unto itself, everything else is tolerated as long as they remain in power. Trump exposed and revealing what wrong with America today. When that assassinate attempt happened... The World witness a miraculous Miracle, the Hand of God spared Trump life... if Trump victory become the next US President: this is an act of God continue mercy and blessing towards America and the world Christian community. Answer to prayer and blessing to good people around the world living righteous God-fearing lives. A sense of return to normality, giving us all a bit more time and preparation of what have been foretold incoming fulfillment of the Holy Scripture. Warning terrible days foreseen ahead, great persecution and tribulation targeting many Christians. State of Israel fights alone: Almighty God will defend and fight for Israel. Revelation last book of the Holy Bible. For now, we are in a fight to retain control of the ship command post, in which the former captain has capitates to mutiny by its own crew. Now the mutiny crew are in command steering the direction of the ship sailing path. But the mutiny crew on watch has coming to end of their term in commanding the ship, and are once again up for re-election by their passangers to be allowed to stay and continue or vacate position the passengers have spoken. However, if they lose by vote; the mutiny crew have no choice but to surrender command, making way for the next captain and team to take control and command. The ship’s election is conducted by the millions of passengers aboard, a majority vote win victory, declares which teams and captain takes over command of the Ship Helm (what direction and path the Ship follows). Weather forecast and navigational warning: uncharted dangerous turbulent stormy seas ahead!?
If we all did the right things we would know everything is definitely going to be fine, if we don't god the spirit everywhere will judge, never do anything to make yrself feel guilty...too easy
If we think of God as the presence of Mind, Spirit, Soul, law (or Principle), life, truth, and love (the 7 Spirits). then God is always present (but we have to agree to this to be benefited). Psalms 42:11 says- God is the health of my countenance. This can be a basis for health if we can accept it on faith and then understand it well enough to find healing! Scripture says "...let it rather be healed".. This implies that if we are sick, our mind has to "let" something happen in order to find the health we seek. Deuteronomy says- God is our life. that brings God very close to us. It also implies that if we die, we have lost God temporarily. Could this not be why Jesus was unwilling to go through the cross experience? He knew that life was evidence of God being present with him. But, he arose AND ascended alive! A living exit! (the right way to leave). More later on the cross experience.
I spent 20 odd years happily calling myself an atheist, it was a healthy time for me, cleaned my head out of religious dogma and freed me to spend the rest of my time on my own personal spiritual journey, their is much healthy spiritual freedom to be experienced outside of mainstream religious thought, religion needs you more than you need it.
Fighting for the Soul of America. Immediately, Woke agenda administrated into all govt. institution and public sectors. By passing "we the people" public information and understanding the significant effects and practicality of Woke agenda. Unknown, unchecked, unproven, undetected intentionally in replacing and reshaping America's Christian fundamentals tradition. Once in power Woke agenda spontaneously spread throughout all Western culture, in a combine coordinated Govt. effort worldwide promoting Woke Indoctrination: LBGTQ/DEI/Gaypride/Atheism/Racialtheory/BLM/Greens/Feminist/Abortions/MarxismIslamic. 2024 looking back learning and understanding now the negative effect we experienced... we the people judge Woke agenda is a lie, therefore revealing its unfairness and impracticality moral inferiority to our traditional Judeo-Christian principles ethics and values attributing to God's Moral Authority. Those unelected elites who hide in the shadow, knowing this monstrous Woke doctrine obviously crafted by those Woke university corrupt philosophers. Deceptively counterfeiting human rights/equal rights aligned to Wokeism. Then those clever elites using our value against us redefining right from wrong, good from bad (changing the weights and measures of Biblical scales: changing and meaning of words). This was a coordinated Woke global effort. Mass immigration open boarders 20 million aliens changing the demographic ratio in America population in intent to re-shape American, by granting them citizenship making them eligible to vote to remain in power. I shock and in diss-belief the low levels and length the party will act to remain in power. Seem's now the party allegiance and interest unto itself, everything else is tolerated as long as they remain in power. Trump exposed and revealing what wrong with America today. When that assassinate attempt happened... The World witness a miraculous Miracle, the Hand of God spared Trump life... if Trump victory become the next US President: this is an act of God continue mercy and blessing towards America and the world Christian community. Answer to prayer and blessing to good people around the world living righteous God-fearing lives. A sense of return to normality, giving us all a bit more time and preparation of what have been foretold incoming fulfillment of the Holy Scripture. Warning terrible days foreseen ahead, great persecution and tribulation targeting many Christians. State of Israel fights alone: Almighty God will defend and fight for Israel. Revelation last book of the Holy Bible. For now, we are in a fight to retain control of the ship command post, in which the former captain has capitates to mutiny by its own crew. Now the mutiny crew are in command steering the direction of the ship sailing path. But the mutiny crew on watch has coming to end of their term in commanding the ship, and are once again up for re-election by their passangers to be allowed to stay and continue or vacate position the passengers have spoken. However, if they lose by vote; the mutiny crew have no choice but to surrender command, making way for the next captain and team to take control and command. The ship’s election is conducted by the millions of passengers aboard, a majority vote win victory, declares which teams and captain takes over command of the Ship Helm (what direction and path the Ship follows). Weather forecast and navigational warning: uncharted dangerous turbulent stormy seas ahead!?
What a ridiculous silly infantile comment! I always wonder at the sanity of those who go around saying that they don't believe in something that doesn't exist!
@TheConservativeClearinghouse enough to know its a poor spiritual guide book compared to what spiritual understanding is available from our natural world, if one cares to make that journey.
@@billybobwombat2231 I am a lover of the outdoors, specifically because it demonstrates God’s creative hand. See for yourself if the Bible and the beauty, pattern and function you find in nature are not echoed in the scriptures… they very much are! I have discovered this for myself after being agnostic for over 50 years! You will be amazed at how much MORE meaningful nature becomes when seen in the beautiful light of God’s word! May God richly bless your journey.🙏🏻🍂🦋
Lennox is completely wrong about "the laws of Nature". "The laws of Nature" is not legal language. They are Natural laws. They are inherent in the system.
@@MarkPatmos I would say that cause and effect is a law of Nature. Change is a law of Nature. Interdependence is a law of Nature. Logic is a law of Nature.
humans always think, surely, that we are the most intelligent beings but take a look at a Petrie dish with a bacterium/culture. Could it be that we are only that in a bigger Petrie dish?
There is a strong relationship between Christianity + Judaism and science, but it's not the one that Lennox describes. The relationship is that Christianity + Judaism has many examples of the "hero's journey" in the Bible and therefore in Western culture in general. Every scientist goes on the "hero's journey" in their minds. The "Hero's journey" is is not nearly as strong in other cultures compared with Christianity + Judaism. For example, African folk lore has no "hero's journey" at all.
John Lennox Comments with Mr. Anderson was so apropos would they also comment on True Philosophy as where the other two parts of the cosmology would benefit with a cosmology that is top down from above.
Heaven declares the glory of God,
We are a also using reason in knowing the facts of God, that which are his habits, and we must also have a logical viewpoint of the hand of God, in a True religion. Fixing this belief that this reaction to the God, is that the reflection of such saying in Ecclesiasticus. we could also say that the more carefully understand or the interpretation for each of this in the bible book can give us a true philosophy, by which if not under the truth could not stand on its own either.
Truth is not static and it's not always absolute, but it is definitely real. When people say "that's my truth" there is something to it. This is particularly "true" when fear is the subject.
Love this discussion. Dr Lennox is a treasure. The thought experiment I like is challenge one of these atheist materialists to go to their bank and insist that the truth is their account holds a million dollars. Such nonsense
A long time ago, someone might have asked..." Do you think that Christianity will replace our belief in our Viking gods?.......Gods come and go with changing societies. Man's propensity for inventing new gods, lives on
And Christ is one of those inventions? Lennox just said we are moving back into polytheism (e.g., Norse gods). Does that strike you as Hegelian synthesis or perhaps people who have not done the hard work to understand the problem and are trying something already rejected thousands of years ago.
You can always find men in history who attempted to deify themselves. And it never ends well for them. Just because it's now becoming mainstream doesn't mean this version is a new invention. It just means that now it will end badly for lots of people.
I don't believe that Christ was an actual invention. He may have actually existed. However, people's willingness to believe that a man named Christ was some sort of magical messenger, and the manipulated stories which were spread regarding his life, are what caused the propagation of the Christian sect. My original point was intended to provoke thought about mankind's tendency for inventing gods and eventual religious belief systems......Delving into a discussion on Hegelianism would be way above my abilities.
@@zapcat4194 We do continue to invent gods. The thing that is truly strange about Christ is that He may have been more than a “magical messenger” and “manipulated story” for it to have so radically impacted people, some to the point of martyrdom. What strikes me as equally improbable is that we would have built an entire moral foundation around someone or something that people knew was a fabricated story. Or that secular humanism would have developed from thin air to represent nearly identical moral claims from the ones they label as illegitimate and originating from a tale. Who made up the tale? Why did the “hero” endure crucifixion? Why didn’t the “hero” vanquish his opponents? The strangeness is, in some minds, very odd and compelling rather than manufactured and simple.
@@ScourgeTaught "God is real". Define what you mean by "God", otherwise what you say is meaningless. I agree that probability is just order that we don't perceive. All things happen because they are caused to happen. All of our thoughts and so-called "choices" happen because they are caused to happen.
I will not only give it a like, I will make a comment. Atheism or materialism is false as so far it has a little knowledge of the elemental world and based on that it extrapolates the elemental to be the nature and sum total of reality. There is the hard problem of consciousness for philosophy, and mind? Is it elemental emerging with quantum events? Atheists are basing their theory on limited information. Usually in science the method is not to be dogmatic about anything but atheists are not following that play book. The definition of religion is; that to which we are bound; it is the nature of reality and all there is. Consciousness; Mind; elements have been named God. If atheists believe that none of this exists then what world are they living in? A world of consciousness; mind; and elements that is created by elements is magical thinking and defies rationality.
Lennox constantly uses bad analogies that sound impressive to poorly educated believers. And we know a lot about consciousness, it just hasn’t filtered down to most philosophers.
It looks like he missed his class on "Crisis of Philosophy in XX century. Positivism", therefore he believes (pun intended) there's no new research on "consciousness" and related whatsoever :P
Transmission of seeds naturaly have kinds of track air flying to animals through" and Scientist must devoloped distant frome native land and nature of native needs every one of new generations" Parental nature ?
@@MarkPatmos meaning is found on the other side of the meaningless. All is subjective. Objective reality is an hallucination. Confusing the map for the territory. To find meaning one needs to stop seeking for it outside of oneself.
Life's age as 100 years everage then exten loon loong 1000 years is not possiable by modern medical science" ancient times it was possiable" Super Humans era"
Jesus’ resurrection did not break any natural law. He was not bound by the legal contract made in the garden between humanity and Satan, where we exchanged our souls for knowledge (science). He willingly died completely free of sin, as a perfect blood sacrifice. Satan legally had to yield him the keys of death and the grave after the cross. Satan put up no resistance because legally he had no grounds to do so. The grave could not hold Jesus’ body, therefore he was resurrected becoming the firstborn of the dead.
These people seem to have read their Hume quite sloppily. He claims no such thing as that the laws of nature couldnt be violated. Au contraire, the laws of nature are only known to us by experience and an inductive conclusion. None about that makes them certain, in Hume's own system! His argument is rather about likelihood etc, and thus quite much weaker. It's a good argument that Hume gives, don't get me wrong. You're not compelled to follow it, though, as Hume himself explicitly acknowledges.
Funny: Those who praise God as the greatest of all, in the same breath reduce him to a petty little brat who becomes angry or happy depending on the position of your hands; above or under the sheets or with whom you share those sheets :)
Is "truth" a person? Some say yes because Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life"... Was he saying his physical presence was truth? Was he saying - my teachings are truth? Was he saying - "God says his name is "I AM" so when I, myself, use the phrase "I am" it is God who is being referred to. And God, as the Spirit of truth ("Spirit is truth" - 1John 5:6) is with us all everywhere (Ephesians 4:6).? If the presence of Jesus was truth, then truth is absent now. Who wants to believe that? Do we need the presence of Jesus to have truth? Not by my reckoning. Could it be that people are starting to realize that God is a general term for the "7 Spirits" of God that Jesus referred to and used throughout out his ministry? Jesus said "God is a Spirit" (John 4:24). There are 7 of them combining as one. (Revelation 1:4) We all have these 7 Spirits operating in our life. "The Spirit of truth". is one of them.
Thank you Professor Lennox for everything I’ll never meet you, you’ll never know my name. I appreciate your time and most strikingly your attitude towards others. I think it’s safe to say you’ve helped millions of people with their faith and the rest to at least have an uncomfortable conversation with themselves. A true role model.
Josh Anderson and John Lennox are a wonderful and powerful combination. I'm so glad this conversation is preserved forever for our great benefit. Thank you both.
I love me some john lennox! He is the perfect mixture of grace and force. Thats the kind of debater and counselor i want to be. GOD willing.
Orthodox Christian churches around the country have been exploding with new converts in the last couple years, and mostly young men. It's really fascinating. My church alone has more than doubled in size, and we're way out in the boonies!
Are these new Christians or Christians who were previously Roman Catholic or Protestant?
Last Christian I spoke to bleated 'find a safespace' at me. Says it all about shutting yourselves off from reality.
Do you think this represents a significant demographic shift? Churches in general? It's hard to get clean numbers on such things.
My church is more Protestant, and it’s blowing up as well, and we’re in the heart of Portland, Oregon. People are turning to God in droves, it’s amazing.
@@williamoarlock8634What is??
To me, science is the tool we use to figure out how God made things.
A lacking human tool only....
Or specifically using the methodology of science to arrive at the origins of something rather than nothing. Using the claim that we know a God/s originated everything is lazy & exhibits impatients... Why are we humans compelled to make claims about things we have NO evidence to support.
I hope there is a god, but if there is we are so primitive, that to imagine we can figure out the secrets of the universe and beyond or the very mind of god, takes wild hubris, inflated ego. The more you know the less you realise you do and we all stand on the shoulders of giants who are still ants ❤
@@veganath Impatience 😮 sounds a little contradictory.
If there were a god, is he beatable?
John Lennox is a GIANT of logic and truth. He deserves a Nobel
I don’t see that
His argumentation is laughable at best. He barely distinguishes between claims and evidence and lists “personal experiences” as his final “proof” for the existence of the God he happens to believe in. The same excuse for a reason, that other believers in other Gods mumble too when asked. Maybe he is a good mathematician, I neither know nor care, his kindergarten epistemology is not better than what one would expect of a medieval peasant.
@@DavidvanVeen-v4p I disagree with your statements about John Lennox. I’ve read 24 of his books and his main reason that he claims for rejecting materialism is that it undermines reason. Furthermore, he’s always claimed that his theistic belief is the result of accumulative evidence. Note in point my friend, it’s OK to have strong opinions and want to share them, but I think it’s our duty to listen to more than a conversation or two before making judgments about somebody.
Whether you agree with him or not, John Lennox is a profound thinker and has made great contributions in his mathematical work and also with his work challenging the the new atheist movement.
No, John Lennox has the Light of God in him. Let your Light so shine before men, that they may know the Lord your God. All to His Glory!
@@alanfrye460Perhaps there is no new atheist movement simply millions of like minded individuals around our world as me interested in exploring emerging social, scientific and archeological evidence that indicate alternative realities to innumerable beliefs fixed at a point time by ancient interpretations of historical records. I have nothing to defend or assert about the existence or otherwise of a god/s or a superior religious cult simply a passionate desire to live in peace love and harmony with my fellow man. Kind regards Tim
Love Lennox!
Wonderful interview, John is a master in communication, always learn a lot.
For those who my might be interested, John Lennox's book 2084 and the AI Revolution is an updated and expanded edition of his previous book 2084. It is set to come out mid-December 2024. 😊
Edit. It's an intriguing idea that AI isn't capable of developing human-like consciousness since computer code coupled with hardware would be inert bits and bytes and so forth, but (on the assumption Christianity is true) it is possible for AI to develop a human-like consciousness if it is possessed by a spiritual entity (e.g. demon). If that happens, it would presumably marvel the world. I don't know what I personally think about this idea, but again it's intriguing.
As Jesus said "where your treasure is there your heart will be also" So yes, it's quite possible for AI to be a defacto god for those who depend on it for all their needs and for amoral direction for their lives
It's great that John Lennox is sat there, dressed all nicely and properly and smartly, but repping a pair of retro-looking Air maxes - come on! - And God bless you, John.
This is real stuff! Tell us more!
Excellent conversation. John Lennox is brilliant and insightful as ever.
His argumentation is laughable at best. He barely distinguishes between claims and evidence and lists “personal experiences” as his final “proof” for the existence of the God he happens to believe in. The same excuse for a reason, that other believers in other Gods mumble too when asked. Maybe he is a good mathematician, I neither know nor care, his kindergarten epistemology is not better than what one would expect of a medieval peasant.
To you both thank you, another enlightening discussion which has given me much food for thought. May God keep you both safe in his embrace, God bless
Mr Lennox mentions CS Lewis in connection with science and faith, (rather than science versus faith). Lewis mentions a moment in time when ‘the mind became more capable of abstraction and analysis.’ The age of science began then. Logic and reason, given pride of place in the scientific project, rejoice at what they find in the Kingdom of Heaven but they are not the means of entry. The task of thinkers like Jordan Peterson and others including (gasp!) French philosophers, is to indicate how and where the key to the Kingdom is to be found, and then logic and reason come into their inheritance - with ‘an angel’s reach of thought’ to use John Henry Newman’s phrase, the human mind enters, and reflects upon, realms and realities hitherto closed to it. Food for real thought, at last!
I take from your comment that you are against hyper-rationality...is that fair? I am a fan of Ayn Rand to many extents; she was at least more innocent in her hyper-rationality than someone like Peterson, who is rather fleeting in his rationality. Ayn at least had her own narrative.
I haven’t come across the expression ‘hyper-reality’ before, but it strikes me that if strict adherence to the rules of reason and logic (rationalism) constitute a prison for the mind, then hyper-rationalism is a high-security prison.
The capacity of faith to release us from such a restricted life is placed before the believer in Scripture:
‘Peter, bound with two chains, was sleeping between two soldiers, while guards in front of the door were keeping watch over the prison. Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and said to Peter, “Get up quickly.” And the chains fell off his wrists. The angel said to him,” Wrap your cloak around you and follow me.”
Peter went out and followed him.’ (Acts of the Apostles Ch. 12)
‘bound with two chains.’ The two chains are time and space.
‘between two soldiers.’ The two soldiers are logic and reason when promoted above their station to a rank they do not merit.
‘guards in front of the door… keeping watch,’ These guards stand sentinel over the human heart, determined to prevent the word of God from taking root there. They are myths, legends, superstitions, Old Wives tales, philosophies, the fashionable opinions of every Age, the isms ( among them rationalism) and issues that colonise the minds of so many in our time. All of these constitute the Labyrinth of Greek mythology.
Well, faith is not exactly everyone’s cup of tea these days, I get that, but it is mine. As has been pointed out, it, (faith) is ‘ wholly supernatural and its exercise leads us into the supernatural order.’
I like it there, I like what I find there, and I take great delight in listening to the conversation of those who speak out of lived experience of that order. Podcasts such as John Anderson’s constitute the Samizdat of our time.
@@richardchisholm5151 I think I might have just made up the term hyper-rationality 😏, but I think it does represent a real problem. I think people that at least wrestle with issues of faith are often better people than those who don't think it is even relevant, like the technocrats, but I can't say know enough about Ayn to say if she was actually a good person or not.
Either way, I didn't invent that term to disagree with you; I am also open to the World of faith and I think it is a real problem of trans-Humanism. But is a somewhat pitiable quest in a way; why shouldn't they wan't to reduce human life to the problem of death if they can't conceive of the possibility of something better than material immortality?
What Dr Lennox is saying is what I have discovered from my studies and is not what the school teaches. Before Rome there was Alba, the white city kingdom of the Etruscan civilization and Athens and Crete, the entire Mediterranean civilization was under the system of polytheism of the Egyptian and Mesopotamian gods. Rome was builted on the populations of two civilizations, the Greek and Etruscan who came from Mesopotamian branches and Troy so changed the names of their Gods but were the same as the gods of Egypt or the Babylonians - the gods of rich men with Tempels - all kings were made gods after their death by their sons. Now with the chosen Jewish nation, monotheism was preserved and the Old Testament story from Noah to Abraham is the beginning of Jewish Christianity. I love you Dr Lennox and please continue to bring light to students who have been blinded by Illuminati communism and other anti-Christian schools.
God bless you all
Fantastic! I love the discussion about reason / revelation and describing how people think they are in conflict (when they are not).
Humble, brilliant man of God. Thank you so much for this interview.
Another excellent interview and discussion. Profoundly thought-provoking and helpful.
Outstanding discussion!!!!
This man is a giant of our faith
Thank you John, I love your Media, it is switching on my 82 (almost) years mind and I am once a profession Infantryman for 22 years. You are doing something good for me and others . God bless you !
I was born in Oxford a short walk from John’s Templeton college. The hallowed halls of intellectual academic universities allow wonderfully quirky individuals like him to blossom. I like listening to his exquisite perambulations when calmly asserting his beliefs that he follows his God through a superior religion and thoughtfully rebutting all emerging scientific evidence that could possible shake his faith. He is proof that doctrine is stronger than any alternative evidential knowledge. It was Christian theologians that debunked Darwin and persecuted Williams Tyndale to be garrotted and burnt at the stake for translating the bible into English. Kind regards Tim
I don’t think the tension is between faith and atheism or faith and science or science and atheism. The absence of faith is primarily a tension between faith and pride.
Thanks. I'm upvoting now and will watch tomorrow because it's already late.
"We thought that when Christianity had been removed, that Atheism would takeover, and that's not true, polytheism has taken over. Every person has their own God or is their own God." Wow!
Christianity removed ? Pardon ?
@@TheAtticradio direct quote from Lennox in this podcast.
The statement only rings true in western society.
Islam is taking over in the religious space and due to socialism taking control in our universities people have become hedonistic, particularly women.
One cryptonite in declaring yourself god... we age and die.
A short step to Rational critical thinking .
Professor John Lennox is a very interesting thinker. Thank you for this conversation!
Thank You (both) for this video.
AGI is all AI hype but the God complex mentality inside silicon valley is mind boggling
Looks practical. Remember when one gets older while carrying weight the extra cushioning power of the sneaker aids immensely in comfortable parambulation ! Love the look!😊
We thank the Lord for such great minds and souls. God bless you.
I wish we could hear and say more of this in our Church settings!
They have church softball… but some live their lives with eternity in view; I believe
@@gregpfaffe4098 do you think Jesus’ teachings were repetitive and dull, or fresh and relevant?
That’s one problem with a Church which the left brain has come up with. A church of the known, yet god isn’t in the known. That’s why we search and seek.
I really do enjoy this discussion.
It is great to hear this intualectual discussion in Christianity.
Also see “The Myth of Religious Neutrality: An Essay on the Hidden Role of Religious Belief in Theories” by Roy A Clouser, (from the amazon blurb) “Written for undergraduates, the educated layperson, and scholars in fields other than philosophy, The Myth of Religious Neutrality offers a radical reinterpretation of the general relations between religion, science, and philosophy.” Chapters 11-13 present the best summery (in English) of the philosophy of the Dutch philosophy Herman Dooyeweerd. 😊
More Lennox! Great discussion. ☝️
Another Great One John. At your best.
"We need a philosophy of reason and of rational self-interest, a philosophy that would once again release the power of man’s mind and the energy inherent in his pursuit of happiness. Nothing less will save America or individual rights."
-Leonard Peikoff-1986
In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit • Amen
“So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.” Rom 10:17 This is the way to faith…
Artificial Intelligence
doesn't scare me half as much as
Actual Ignorance!
CHRIST IS LORD💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Yes Jesus is The Lord sent by God the Father, who is The Lord Almighty. 🎉
But only to those who believe in him. He seems to be in the minority now.
@lesmotley6839 You are right mate. If you don't have the Son ( Jesus) you don't have The Father ( God the Father, ).
Remember minorities can grow. 😃
God does not allow suffering. God allows Life, and Life is part suffering.
Why do animals have to suffer ?
@@juancarlosv5136 Because suffering is a part of Life. You just need to read the small print before you sign the contract.
@@Creality.R.Crooks Suffering as part of life, who can deny it. But trying to reconcile the idea of a supposed good and loving god with the reality of unbearable animal suffering is insane
@@juancarlosv5136 You're entitled to your own personal opinion because you're a sentient organism with Free Will. There is no natural law against insanity.
@@Creality.R.Crooks😂😂😂
Interesting philosophical Q&A; ideas and narratives here worthy of further investigation.
I study history because I always loved it and since my school I had the hunger to know the world. What Dr Lennox is saying is what I have discovered by my studies and those are not what the school teaches. Before Rome there was Alba the White City kingdom of Etruscan civilization and Athene and Crete all the Mediterranean civilization was under the Polytheism system of Egyptian and Mesopotamia gods. Rome builded up upon two civilisations the Greek and Etruscan and mesopotamia all kings made Gods after their death. Now with the Jewish chosen nation monotheism was preserved and Old Testament history is the beginning of Christianity. There was also Monotheism born with Abraham the Father of all nations and now we have reached what Dr Lennox said in the beginning of our old times Paganism of Polytheism the same of Athene and Rome before Christ was born. Love you Dr Lennox
Choosing to believe in the Christian God is surely the beginning of becoming a Christian for some people. If God is drawing them to Himself and they meet with the Lord Jesus Christ and have a personal relationship with Him, then they will be a Christian.
I would claim that practicing the values espoused by Jesus Christ together with nurturing LOVE would be sufficient to qualify as embodying Christianity & NO god need be invoked, after all JC taught *_"God is LOVE"_* manifest LOVE you manifest God(atheists & theist satisfied respectively). BTW the only reason the label *_'atheist'_* exists is because theists go around making claims without furnish merit worthy evidence no surprise some others they deem atheist reject!
Nobody will ever silence the word of God
Jesus is the truth!
What a great man that lives a life for God.
Many years ago, I read a comment that has stuck with me, which is We cannot read the Greek philosophers except through a Christian prism. I include the Islamists, for I reject their origins story, Islamism is a warriors faith, which sees Jesus ,such as did the German Warriors who chose Arianismm and whose success until the resurgence Of of East Rome was equally spectacular and unmiraculous as that of the Arabs, If Justinian’s had not been stopped by what seems to be a world wide catastrophe, which also affected Persia. almost was ,much. No doubt in my mind that tewifr would have been no Arab Empire.
Well said. People really do underestimate the influence of Greek philosophy on New Testament Christianity in particular. Tom Holland, of all people, should be more alert to that possibility. Stoicism flourishes in Christian teachings and the Cynics to some extent.
We love, because He first loved us.
Although we often think we choose Christianity and to some extent we do. After some time we begin to realise that He led us and convicted then convinced and converted us by the gracious activity of the Holy Spirit.
So great!
Wisdom is about the alignment of what actually happens not what we wish to happen.
Hope is the foundation we stand on when everything around us begins to shake.
The end result of politicized law enforcement is democide.
Law is more closely related to morality. Grace and mercy are more closely related to ethics.
Nature always takes away everything it promises, only God keeps his promises.
There are tragedies that can't be avoided and there are triumphs that can't be ignored.
The molecular machinery of life is liquid crystals playing quantum jazz.
Liberty is not just a game, it's the only game that matters.
A complaint lives in a spectrum from politely pointing out a flaw to becoming the self proclaimed voice of reason.
The word 'evolution' has blinded many to the miracle of existence.
Something from nothing, energy from nowhere, and order from chaos is not an explanation.
I want to ask Mr John one question. This question is leading me towards atheism. I believe if could find a reasonable answer may be I will find myself more close to the truth. My question is
IF THERE IS A GOOD GOD ANYWHERE THEN WHY THERE IS EVIL IN THIS WORLD?
What do you mean when you say "good "?
Alex O Connor is suffering from being smart enough to recognize that either atheism or Christianity could technically be true, while he has the ability to persuade himself of any truth he likes through his deep reasoning and arguments.
So him not believing in Christianity is a choice on his part. Hyperfocus on the details you dislike or don't understand, and you can disbelieve anything you want.
Criticising Deuteronomy may seem like hyperfocusing on the details, but there are a lot of people who take every single word of the Bible literally, so it isn't just an intellectual indulgence on Alex's part, nor Dawkins for that matter.
@@chadjcrase the problem is if you try to treat the Bible like a science journal. It uses way looser language and it often requires you to know the Hebrew words and cultural context to understand the details correctly.
It has become a stumbling block to him and many who think similarly.
A better approach is to see if the core truths of Christianity are plausibly true in reality, and if not, what better explains the whole narrative than it being true.
@@MartinHindenes I couldn't agree more and I don't like the way Lennox appropriates physics to explain Genesis. It just feels...unnecessary.
"Hyperfocus on the details you dislike or don't understand, and you can disbelieve anything you want."
Particulary the "don't understand" part is a prime example of poisoning the well. Judging a religion by its scripture is a completely honest way to engage.
Sorry that this means that you have to undergo a massive ammount of mental gymnastics to dismiss the parts you dislike.
@@DavidvanVeen-v4p he's not judging it by an honest interpretation of scripture however but instead looking for flaws and inconsistencies.
The point is that the Christian scriptures are entirely internally consistent when you do proper hermeneutics on them.
John Lennox sportin’ some fly Nikes. ❤
Humans playing at being gods was always part of the plan, demonstrating the virtue of humility that even God had to learn the hard way by waking up as a human Messiah
You're right; that is integral and this latest hubris of Transhumanism is just the latest reiteration of playing God.
@@chadjcrase It's the modern way of turning humanity into pillars of salt, only this time pillars of silicon and graphene implants
Fighting for the Soul of America.
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2024 looking back learning and understanding now the negative effect we experienced... we the people judge Woke agenda is a lie, therefore revealing its unfairness and impracticality moral inferiority to our traditional Judeo-Christian principles ethics and values attributing to God's Moral Authority.
Those unelected elites who hide in the shadow, knowing this monstrous Woke doctrine obviously crafted by those Woke university corrupt philosophers. Deceptively counterfeiting human rights/equal rights aligned to Wokeism. Then those clever elites using our value against us redefining right from wrong, good from bad (changing the weights and measures of Biblical scales: changing and meaning of words).
This was a coordinated Woke global effort. Mass immigration open boarders 20 million aliens changing the demographic ratio in America population in intent to re-shape American, by granting them citizenship making them eligible to vote to remain in power. I shock and in diss-belief the low levels and length the party will act to remain in power. Seem's now the party allegiance and interest unto itself, everything else is tolerated as long as they remain in power.
Trump exposed and revealing what wrong with America today. When that assassinate attempt happened... The World witness a miraculous Miracle, the Hand of God spared Trump life... if Trump victory become the next US President: this is an act of God continue mercy and blessing towards America and the world Christian community. Answer to prayer and blessing to good people around the world living righteous God-fearing lives. A sense of return to normality, giving us all a bit more time and preparation of what have been foretold incoming fulfillment of the Holy Scripture. Warning terrible days foreseen ahead, great persecution and tribulation targeting many Christians. State of Israel fights alone: Almighty God will defend and fight for Israel. Revelation last book of the Holy Bible.
For now, we are in a fight to retain control of the ship command post, in which the former captain has capitates to mutiny by its own crew. Now the mutiny crew are in command steering the direction of the ship sailing path. But the mutiny crew on watch has coming to end of their term in commanding the ship, and are once again up for re-election by their passangers to be allowed to stay and continue or vacate position the passengers have spoken.
However, if they lose by vote; the mutiny crew have no choice but to surrender command, making way for the next captain and team to take control and command. The ship’s election is conducted by the millions of passengers aboard, a majority vote win victory, declares which teams and captain takes over command of the Ship Helm (what direction and path the Ship follows). Weather forecast and navigational warning: uncharted dangerous turbulent stormy seas ahead!?
AI literally cannot be god, if you understand what god is.
Ai could be viewed as some kind of superbeing, but god isn’t a super being, God is existence itself.
If anything AI would look at us humans as “God”, it’s creator, long after AI has replaced humanity.
@@robertholland7558 You are more right than you realise.
God exists outside our perception.
These AI’s have no conscious experience. They exist as a kind of thought process.
Their conception of us is merely a projection within its thought process.
To us God is similarly transcendent, seemingly inaccessible. Yet God also has the value of immediate and imminent closeness, closer than our mental space which possesses a detached object subject division.
@@Mevlinous the Annunaki?
@@robertholland7558 I’ve heard of that, never looked into it as it seemed a little tongue in cheek, like flat earth.
But no. God cannot be ‘the Annunaki’ or any other being you could point to or label. An ‘Annunaki’ would still be a PART of this universe.
God cannot be a part.
@@Mevlinous read the book of Enoch.
Conveniently left out of the Bible.
The universe is undefinable, so referring to it as “God” is false.
We exist in a 3 dimensional, 5 senses universe, extremely limiting our ability of perception of anything beyond that.
Only those that achieve the rare state of transcendence meditation have the slightest insight.
First comment thankyou
Very good
In a materialistic world you will be miserable, you can only be happy in this world by helping others and living in a community, that values truth, the materialistic world leads to selfishness, the individual's needs over everyone else.
I don't think that is entirely true.
I know a lot of wealthy people who are generally quite happy and I have known others who have devoted their lives for others and they seemed to me to be quite unhappy.
The meaning of life is different for everyone. A materialistic world doesn't determine your happiness.
There are different levels of happiness
Anybody in the world can be happy either having their basic needs meet ot having the human love around them
True Joy is when we share our life with others by walking the extra mile
Sometimes a Little bit of love goes a long way
The Real Live that God offers to us and the Love that comes out of us after He had change our life's and making New Creatures in this big Universe, is what making thirst
True happiness is to let our light shine to other with real Love and unselfish kindness
Love is the answer for true happiness ( Joy )
@@lesmotley6839
Fighting for the Soul of America.
Immediately, Woke agenda administrated into all govt. institution and public sectors. By passing "we the people" public information and understanding the significant effects and practicality of Woke agenda. Unknown, unchecked, unproven, undetected intentionally in replacing and reshaping America's Christian fundamentals tradition. Once in power Woke agenda spontaneously spread throughout all Western culture, in a combine coordinated Govt. effort worldwide promoting Woke Indoctrination: LBGTQ/DEI/Gaypride/Atheism/Racialtheory/BLM/Greens/Feminist/Abortions/MarxismIslamic.
2024 looking back learning and understanding now the negative effect we experienced... we the people judge Woke agenda is a lie, therefore revealing its unfairness and impracticality moral inferiority to our traditional Judeo-Christian principles ethics and values attributing to God's Moral Authority.
Those unelected elites who hide in the shadow, knowing this monstrous Woke doctrine obviously crafted by those Woke university corrupt philosophers. Deceptively counterfeiting human rights/equal rights aligned to Wokeism. Then those clever elites using our value against us redefining right from wrong, good from bad (changing the weights and measures of Biblical scales: changing and meaning of words).
This was a coordinated Woke global effort. Mass immigration open boarders 20 million aliens changing the demographic ratio in America population in intent to re-shape American, by granting them citizenship making them eligible to vote to remain in power. I shock and in diss-belief the low levels and length the party will act to remain in power. Seem's now the party allegiance and interest unto itself, everything else is tolerated as long as they remain in power.
Trump exposed and revealing what wrong with America today. When that assassinate attempt happened... The World witness a miraculous Miracle, the Hand of God spared Trump life... if Trump victory become the next US President: this is an act of God continue mercy and blessing towards America and the world Christian community. Answer to prayer and blessing to good people around the world living righteous God-fearing lives. A sense of return to normality, giving us all a bit more time and preparation of what have been foretold incoming fulfillment of the Holy Scripture. Warning terrible days foreseen ahead, great persecution and tribulation targeting many Christians. State of Israel fights alone: Almighty God will defend and fight for Israel. Revelation last book of the Holy Bible.
For now, we are in a fight to retain control of the ship command post, in which the former captain has capitates to mutiny by its own crew. Now the mutiny crew are in command steering the direction of the ship sailing path. But the mutiny crew on watch has coming to end of their term in commanding the ship, and are once again up for re-election by their passangers to be allowed to stay and continue or vacate position the passengers have spoken.
However, if they lose by vote; the mutiny crew have no choice but to surrender command, making way for the next captain and team to take control and command. The ship’s election is conducted by the millions of passengers aboard, a majority vote win victory, declares which teams and captain takes over command of the Ship Helm (what direction and path the Ship follows). Weather forecast and navigational warning: uncharted dangerous turbulent stormy seas ahead!?
Nothing makes sense but in the abstracts
Everything makes sence
Great conversation John
He needs to meet John Vervaeke, it would be a very interesting discussion
Nice suit and tie!
If we all did the right things we would know everything is definitely going to be fine, if we don't god the spirit everywhere will judge, never do anything to make yrself feel guilty...too easy
If we think of God as the presence of Mind, Spirit, Soul, law (or Principle), life, truth, and love (the 7 Spirits).
then God is always present (but we have to agree to this to be benefited).
Psalms 42:11 says- God is the health of my countenance. This can be a basis for health if we can accept it on faith and then understand it well enough to find healing! Scripture says "...let it rather be healed".. This implies that if we are sick, our mind has to "let" something happen in order to find the health we seek. Deuteronomy says- God is our life. that brings God very close to us. It also implies that if we die, we have lost God temporarily.
Could this not be why Jesus was unwilling to go through the cross experience? He knew that life was evidence of God being present with him. But, he arose AND ascended alive! A living exit! (the right way to leave).
More later on the cross experience.
According to Hinduism, consciousness is God. There is just one universal consciousness and we are living in the dream of that universal consciousness
What does the A stand for in AI ?
Good point
Artificial 😊
@@rm2h exactly
A hole
I spent 20 odd years happily calling myself an atheist, it was a healthy time for me, cleaned my head out of religious dogma and freed me to spend the rest of my time on my own personal spiritual journey, their is much healthy spiritual freedom to be experienced outside of mainstream religious thought, religion needs you more than you need it.
Fighting for the Soul of America.
Immediately, Woke agenda administrated into all govt. institution and public sectors. By passing "we the people" public information and understanding the significant effects and practicality of Woke agenda. Unknown, unchecked, unproven, undetected intentionally in replacing and reshaping America's Christian fundamentals tradition. Once in power Woke agenda spontaneously spread throughout all Western culture, in a combine coordinated Govt. effort worldwide promoting Woke Indoctrination: LBGTQ/DEI/Gaypride/Atheism/Racialtheory/BLM/Greens/Feminist/Abortions/MarxismIslamic.
2024 looking back learning and understanding now the negative effect we experienced... we the people judge Woke agenda is a lie, therefore revealing its unfairness and impracticality moral inferiority to our traditional Judeo-Christian principles ethics and values attributing to God's Moral Authority.
Those unelected elites who hide in the shadow, knowing this monstrous Woke doctrine obviously crafted by those Woke university corrupt philosophers. Deceptively counterfeiting human rights/equal rights aligned to Wokeism. Then those clever elites using our value against us redefining right from wrong, good from bad (changing the weights and measures of Biblical scales: changing and meaning of words).
This was a coordinated Woke global effort. Mass immigration open boarders 20 million aliens changing the demographic ratio in America population in intent to re-shape American, by granting them citizenship making them eligible to vote to remain in power. I shock and in diss-belief the low levels and length the party will act to remain in power. Seem's now the party allegiance and interest unto itself, everything else is tolerated as long as they remain in power.
Trump exposed and revealing what wrong with America today. When that assassinate attempt happened... The World witness a miraculous Miracle, the Hand of God spared Trump life... if Trump victory become the next US President: this is an act of God continue mercy and blessing towards America and the world Christian community. Answer to prayer and blessing to good people around the world living righteous God-fearing lives. A sense of return to normality, giving us all a bit more time and preparation of what have been foretold incoming fulfillment of the Holy Scripture. Warning terrible days foreseen ahead, great persecution and tribulation targeting many Christians. State of Israel fights alone: Almighty God will defend and fight for Israel. Revelation last book of the Holy Bible.
For now, we are in a fight to retain control of the ship command post, in which the former captain has capitates to mutiny by its own crew. Now the mutiny crew are in command steering the direction of the ship sailing path. But the mutiny crew on watch has coming to end of their term in commanding the ship, and are once again up for re-election by their passangers to be allowed to stay and continue or vacate position the passengers have spoken.
However, if they lose by vote; the mutiny crew have no choice but to surrender command, making way for the next captain and team to take control and command. The ship’s election is conducted by the millions of passengers aboard, a majority vote win victory, declares which teams and captain takes over command of the Ship Helm (what direction and path the Ship follows). Weather forecast and navigational warning: uncharted dangerous turbulent stormy seas ahead!?
What a ridiculous silly infantile comment! I always wonder at the sanity of those who go around saying that they don't believe in something that doesn't exist!
How familiar are you with the Holy Bible?
@TheConservativeClearinghouse enough to know its a poor spiritual guide book compared to what spiritual understanding is available from our natural world, if one cares to make that journey.
@@billybobwombat2231 I am a lover of the outdoors, specifically because it demonstrates God’s creative hand. See for yourself if the Bible and the beauty, pattern and function you find in nature are not echoed in the scriptures… they very much are! I have discovered this for myself after being agnostic for over 50 years! You will be amazed at how much MORE meaningful nature becomes when seen in the beautiful light of God’s word! May God richly bless your journey.🙏🏻🍂🦋
they well never know YOU HAVEN TO KNOW THE KEY OF SYSTEM OF UNIVERSEL
Lennox is completely wrong about "the laws of Nature". "The laws of Nature" is not legal language. They are Natural laws. They are inherent in the system.
Why are there laws in nature?
@@MarkPatmos I would say that cause and effect is a law of Nature. Change is a law of Nature. Interdependence is a law of Nature. Logic is a law of Nature.
@@KevinSolwayYou seem to believe in a lot of 'laws' in nature if everything is self-forming and emergent without design
@@MarkPatmos "Why are there laws in nature?"
All around you, and inside of you.
@@KevinSolwayI think you are confused about what word 'why' means
Interrupting adds have ruined the enjoyment of this interview for me.
0:16 *Those* shoes, with *that* suit?
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Nice to know I'm not the only one who notices shoes in interviews! 😄
A legend in the flesh.
Those platform Nikes lol 😅
Pretty common these days
humans always think, surely, that we are the most intelligent beings but take a look at a Petrie dish with a bacterium/culture. Could it be that we are only that in a bigger Petrie dish?
Maranatha
Come, Lord Jesus, come.
There is a strong relationship between Christianity + Judaism and science, but it's not the one that Lennox describes. The relationship is that Christianity + Judaism has many examples of the "hero's journey" in the Bible and therefore in Western culture in general. Every scientist goes on the "hero's journey" in their minds. The "Hero's journey" is is not nearly as strong in other cultures compared with Christianity + Judaism. For example, African folk lore has no "hero's journey" at all.
John Lennox
Comments with Mr. Anderson was so apropos would they also comment on True Philosophy as where the other two parts of the cosmology would benefit with a cosmology that is top down from above.
Heaven declares the glory of God,
We are a also using reason in knowing the facts of God, that which are his habits, and we must also have a logical viewpoint of the hand of God, in a True religion.
Fixing this belief that this reaction to the God, is that the reflection of such saying in Ecclesiasticus. we could also say that the more carefully understand or the interpretation for each of this in the bible book can give us a true philosophy, by which if not under the truth could not stand on its own either.
AI is 666
Truth is not static and it's not always absolute, but it is definitely real. When people say "that's my truth" there is something to it. This is particularly "true" when fear is the subject.
Love this discussion. Dr Lennox is a treasure. The thought experiment I like is challenge one of these atheist materialists to go to their bank and insist that the truth is their account holds a million dollars. Such nonsense
A long time ago, someone might have asked..." Do you think that Christianity will replace our belief in our
Viking gods?.......Gods come and go with changing societies. Man's propensity for inventing new gods, lives on
And Christ is one of those inventions?
Lennox just said we are moving back into polytheism (e.g., Norse gods). Does that strike you as Hegelian synthesis or perhaps people who have not done the hard work to understand the problem and are trying something already rejected thousands of years ago.
You can always find men in history who attempted to deify themselves. And it never ends well for them. Just because it's now becoming mainstream doesn't mean this version is a new invention. It just means that now it will end badly for lots of people.
I don't believe that Christ was an actual invention. He may have actually existed. However, people's willingness to believe that a man named Christ was some sort of magical messenger, and the manipulated stories which were spread regarding his life, are what caused the propagation of the Christian sect. My original point was intended to provoke thought about mankind's tendency for inventing gods and eventual religious belief systems......Delving into a discussion on Hegelianism would be way above my abilities.
@@zapcat4194he appears in history and the survival of the Jews p😊😊 proves it.
@@zapcat4194 We do continue to invent gods. The thing that is truly strange about Christ is that He may have been more than a “magical messenger” and “manipulated story” for it to have so radically impacted people, some to the point of martyrdom. What strikes me as equally improbable is that we would have built an entire moral foundation around someone or something that people knew was a fabricated story. Or that secular humanism would have developed from thin air to represent nearly identical moral claims from the ones they label as illegitimate and originating from a tale. Who made up the tale? Why did the “hero” endure crucifixion? Why didn’t the “hero” vanquish his opponents? The strangeness is, in some minds, very odd and compelling rather than manufactured and simple.
If you agree that atheism is likely false give this a like!
Without a clear definition of the term "God" it's impossible to know what atheism would be.
My dude, probability is just order that we don't perceive.
God is real.
@@ScourgeTaught "God is real".
Define what you mean by "God", otherwise what you say is meaningless.
I agree that probability is just order that we don't perceive. All things happen because they are caused to happen. All of our thoughts and so-called "choices" happen because they are caused to happen.
Quantum physicists would disagree that probability is just order we don't perceive.
God is real, I hear you say.
Ok. Praise Thor!
I will not only give it a like, I will make a comment. Atheism or materialism is false as so far it has a little knowledge of the elemental world and based on that it extrapolates the elemental to be the nature and sum total of reality. There is the hard problem of consciousness for philosophy, and mind? Is it elemental emerging with quantum events? Atheists are basing their theory on limited information. Usually in science the method is not to be dogmatic about anything but atheists are not following that play book. The definition of religion is; that to which we are bound; it is the nature of reality and all there is. Consciousness; Mind; elements have been named God. If atheists believe that none of this exists then what world are they living in? A world of consciousness; mind; and elements that is created by elements is magical thinking and defies rationality.
Young earth lennox
Lennox constantly uses bad analogies that sound impressive to poorly educated believers. And we know a lot about consciousness, it just hasn’t filtered down to most philosophers.
It looks like he missed his class on "Crisis of Philosophy in XX century. Positivism", therefore he believes (pun intended) there's no new research on "consciousness" and related whatsoever :P
I thought he'd been killed in NY by a lone gunman
he acts like saving peoples souls is second to rabbit holes
AI is nothing more than a glorified calculator.
Transmission of seeds naturaly have kinds of track air flying to animals through" and Scientist must devoloped distant frome native land and nature of native needs every one of new generations" Parental nature ?
Such a pity we have to now hope instead of know and we all know what hope really means nothing without work, very, very, very dumb
Everything emerged and self-formed without any purpose or design, I wonder why that's not a firm foundation for a belief system?
Because the dissatisfaction of a nihilistic life reflects one half of a return to true meaning, a necessary gateway if you will.
@@MevlinousSo true meaning is there is no objective meaning, are you sure that is true?
@@MarkPatmos meaning is found on the other side of the meaningless.
All is subjective.
Objective reality is an hallucination. Confusing the map for the territory.
To find meaning one needs to stop seeking for it outside of oneself.
@@Mevlinous Those are objective statements so I guess you do believe in objective meaning.
No bigger contradiction than the belief one has obtained rationality in a disteleological universe.
Life's age as 100 years everage then exten loon loong 1000 years is not possiable by modern medical science" ancient times it was possiable" Super Humans era"
I find it hilarious that those of little faith can't grok that God created AI long before his AI children created organic AI
Every fireplace should be the resistance of a fire...
Jesus’ resurrection did not break any natural law. He was not bound by the legal contract made in the garden between humanity and Satan, where we exchanged our souls for knowledge (science). He willingly died completely free of sin, as a perfect blood sacrifice. Satan legally had to yield him the keys of death and the grave after the cross. Satan put up no resistance because legally he had no grounds to do so. The grave could not hold Jesus’ body, therefore he was resurrected becoming the firstborn of the dead.
These people seem to have read their Hume quite sloppily. He claims no such thing as that the laws of nature couldnt be violated. Au contraire, the laws of nature are only known to us by experience and an inductive conclusion. None about that makes them certain, in Hume's own system! His argument is rather about likelihood etc, and thus quite much weaker.
It's a good argument that Hume gives, don't get me wrong. You're not compelled to follow it, though, as Hume himself explicitly acknowledges.
Funny: Those who praise God as the greatest of all, in the same breath reduce him to a petty little brat who becomes angry or happy depending on the position of your hands; above or under the sheets or with whom you share those sheets :)
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Is "truth" a person?
Some say yes because Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life"...
Was he saying his physical presence was truth?
Was he saying - my teachings are truth?
Was he saying - "God says his name is "I AM" so when I, myself, use the phrase "I am" it is God who is being referred to. And God, as the Spirit of truth ("Spirit is truth" - 1John 5:6) is with us all everywhere (Ephesians 4:6).?
If the presence of Jesus was truth, then truth is absent now. Who wants to believe that?
Do we need the presence of Jesus to have truth? Not by my reckoning.
Could it be that people are starting to realize that God is a general term for the "7 Spirits" of God that Jesus referred to and used throughout out his ministry? Jesus said "God is a Spirit" (John 4:24). There are 7 of them combining as one. (Revelation 1:4)
We all have these 7 Spirits operating in our life. "The Spirit of truth". is one of them.