No hate please I think people are underestimating Ichigo’s power, people scale the bijuu bomb to nuke/montain levwl and in all fairness thay isn’t all that impressive to Ichigo if you take into consideration his fight with ulquiorra where it was stated that any espada level 4 or under could destroy las noches just by using there resurreccion which has been calculated in several videos to be size of the state of Victoria in Australia, and Ichigo in vasto lorde form was tanking these destruction level attacks by ulquiorra segunda etapa without even being scratched and may I add, ulquiorra is the only arrancar to aquire a second release which means these attacks could be even more destructive. Ichigo is the pinnacle of unmatched unimaginable raw untamed physical prowess, Ichigo trained for 3 months non stop to achieve his final getsuga tenshoy, if you remeber dangai Ichigo was massively more powerful than vasto lorde Ichigo and he was casually crushing mountains from not even laying contact upon them just the sock waves from half arsed swings with his sword. Also he casually broke through hado 90 with a swing of his wrist which is the black coffin and it was used by a trancended aizen who's power was so overwhelming that regular humans would disintegrate from being near him and hado 90 is basicaly warps space and time, not saying it's a black hole, but ichigo broke out of Yukio fulbring power which after claiming a portion of ichigo's fulbring he is able to create his own seperate pocket dimension. In the 1000 year blood war arc Ichigo re aquired his mugetsu power just in Base shikai, and now had the power boost from his quincy and hollowfied form and now on top of that with his bankai. Ichigo is far faster than speed of light if you think about back in the soul society ichigo is stated to be as fast as lighting, and now adding all his countless battles and obviously improving and getting stronger from these experiences/also his transformation boost so be fair ichigo in the end of the arancar arc should be at least the speed of light if not more, also in the final arc Lilotto evades the ashwalen which is a ray light, Shunsui Evades Lille Barro's Light Ray, and Ichigo destroyed Lilotto and her friends comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/bleach-speed-of-light-feats-1759181/ and is obviously far stronger than Shunsui. Literally Ichigo was fighting on par with a being capable of destroying all the world’s in the bleach verse until he used his all mighty to break Ichigo’s bankai which he even said was so powerful he couldn’t take any risks or make any errors. Not saying Ichigo is stronger but many people down play ichigo let's hope screw attack do these shonen legends justice and give us an epic fight.
StephenB95 Calculations especially from fans have no true meaning without it being officially stated by the author, The Manga, or a data book. I'm just laying down the feats as it is shown and the hado 90 feat isn't that impressive either as we don't know how big that small pocket of space is just that its able to disintegrate things that is inside it. I just later down some misconceptions people have with ichigo in terms of feats. If you scale him based in the feats shown he's literally at best continental just by feats. While Naruto has shown to be even stronger. I was by no means downplaying ichigo whatsoever I have volumes 1-63 and read the fights especially the ones against Aizen and Ywach many times and its just how the feats turn them out to be. And like I said in the video if there were more feats for ichigo then he would have been much easier to scale. Also just because his Bankai was able to cut Ywach does not mean he has the same power as Ywach does. Nonetheless I can't disagree that ichigo is indeed a powerful opponent and character in general but when his feats aren't at least well displayed in the source material then its impossible to scale him with such little information.
InfiniteSession I agree kubo build up ichigo's powers to be amazing but than left us down by not executing his powers in terms of feats, really wanted a see when ichigo went bankai they showed various sence of different characters in there own world's like earth, soul society, etc nd so on wondering what's that incredible power and it's starts suffocating everyone from his spiritual pressure
StephenB95 yeah but that power known as reiatsu is an OP move just like the truth seeking orbs Naruto has so idk if they would put that in but even so I'm sure screw attack will try to even out the playing field for both sides at least I hope.
InfiniteSession True Naruto can use the truth seeking orbs to erase anything and Ichigo could crush naruto with his spirtual pressure, it really is a great match up in my opinion just imagine ichigo in hollowfied quincy form with bankai vs naruto in sage of six paths mode charging at each other. That would be amazing.
There is no evidence that it was a black hole since it acts nothing like one. A black hole is a center of gravity that pulls and sucks everything in its vicinity, even light. This is not the case with hado 99. Hado 99 is more similar to a truth seeking orb except hado 99 can be physically broken out of and doesn't require to have a hax ability to counter it. Truth seeking orbs can't unless you don't touch it. All in all. What we saw in the fight merits more towards a black box that erases whatever is inside it except you can physically break out of it if you are strong enough.
Esam Jabbarov yeah and that is without any sage mode enhancements. I would say true Bankai ichigo is more or less equal when Naruto uses Bijuu sage mode but just so I wouldn't get the hardcore bleach fans too angry I said Sage of Six paths mode Naruto can be put to be equal to True Bankai ichigo (just so they wouldn't get angry lol).
SlowRkers No, Not even. Ichigo strongest attack(mugetsu) was at best shown destroying a mountain range. And since we never got an official statement or visual proof how far it went we can only assume it destroyed multiple mountains to possibly an island. Honestly its impossible to talk to bleachtards at this point tho so you can take whatever I said however you want.
InfiniteSession same goes to to Narutards. Somehow loves to twist facts into their favour just to prove a mortal can beat a Grim Reaper, an Ascended Grim Reaper at that.
We have agreed to collaborate to make a part two for this, in order to address any comments you may have from this one. As well as go into some more depth if we are able to.
I personally believe Ichigo wins, because his feats are just more powerful compared to Naruto and has to counter to what Naruto has, but Naruto doesn't have counters to what Ichigo has.
@@infinitesession5439 I mean Ichigo is there busting multiple infinite sized universes but Naruto is there busting the one at max. Even if you wanna say no uni stuff for either, literally Ichigo destroyed a solar system sized dimension by accident.
@@infinitesession5439 When he was trapped in Yukio's pocket dimension he did. Pre Fullbring amp Yukio can create a pocket dimension that has a star in it.
Hey, so on Ichigo's hill and or mountain feat I was wondering does anyone think it might just be the framing of the characters? Like you know when you're close to the camera you're the same size as the leaning tower of Pisa, because it does say in the manga that he blew away a "mountain" right?
Tyson Holgate perhaps but then again there hasn't been enough evidence to support that otherwise in the scene where the mugetsu is launched we would have at least seen some mountains destroyed by them but sadly we never did.
aron Guillen Fukasaku said that in order to even use sage mode Naruto has to balance the amounto of sage energy he can take in. And to make chakra he already admits 50% spiritual energy and 50% Physical energy to make chakra and therefore to create jutsu. And fukasaku said that to even use sage mode you have to put in an equal amount of that energy in order to activate it and gain its abilities. He said if you add in too little it won't work and if you add in too much you'll turn into a stone frog. Thats why sage mode is so hard to master and thats why no one but Naruto and Hashirama were able to use it properly because they have very large chakra pools which allow them to keep using that much energy. Hence why jiraiya and minato couldn't master it because their own chakra pool wasn't large enough like Naruto's and Hashiramas.
aron Guillen the reason its a 50 times power boost is because it is literally adding a whole other 50% of raw energy into Naruto increasing his stats 50 times or so because let's say his ability is for example with just physical and spiritual energy mixed 100% or 50+50=100 for His overall stats and abilities. You just have to add in 50 more to say his ability increases this. Now we can say this to be true because fukasaku lifted up a giant stone statue waaaay bigger that Him. And in the pain fight Naruto was able to lift a giant rhino let's say at least 50 times bigger than a normal one because it was so big it was compared to the frogs that Naruto summoned and we all now how freaking huge those frogs are. Naruto was able to lift and throw that's thing high into the air like it was nothing: •The rhino's size compared to Naruto: www.google.com/search?q=naruto+throwing+a+rhino&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjd_ZyW9qzXAhUCSSYKHSRFBeAQ_AUIEigB&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=0S14EIrXP3kdkM: •Naruto throwing said rhino: www.google.com/search?q=naruto+throwing+a+rhino&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjd_ZyW9qzXAhUCSSYKHSRFBeAQ_AUIEigB&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=P4NBF95p5tVHKM:
aron Guillen here's a comparison to the frogs and the beasts summoned by pain they are all pretty much the same size. www.google.com/search?q=naruto+throwing+a+rhino&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjd_ZyW9qzXAhUCSSYKHSRFBeAQ_AUIEigB&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=pVCwQ-QZ1W8lZM: •Here you can see one pain standing on the rhino just how have seen Naruto standing on the chief toads head which is pretty similar in terms of size. www.google.com/search?q=naruto+throwing+a+rhino&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjd_ZyW9qzXAhUCSSYKHSRFBeAQ_AUIEigB&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=zGnmfBS_moOlKM:
Infinite session. I see it makes sense. So i was woundering naruto when he uses kurama chakra does he have to gather half of sage energy to equal that chakra naruto has in his body. So in KCM2 if he wants to use sage energy he has to gather equal amounts of sage energy as there is chakra
why didnt you mention the fact that hollows can grab humans (grandfisher did that to karin i believe and and fishbone d did it to karin aswell man she is popular with the hollows) and if that works why shouldnt it be vice versa
Black Wolf well to some people they would argue that Karin has spiritual awareness and can then sense them so I had to use characters who couldn't see or sense them at all to prove my point.
InfiniteSession true true but then you can argue how does some normal person even get spiritual awareness? we know that keigo karin chad orihime and the bunch got it because of ichigo but wjat about don kanonji? honestly how did this guy got his spiritual awareness? ichigo cant be the answer because he was famous for a long time and you cant say he is filler, because of his weirdness, because he isnt. so it might be possible that one argue naruto has that spiritual awareness aswell because of kurama and uzumaki clan (known for their chakra i believe)
7:45, when hollow masked ichigo can tank an attack that can destroy an area the size of California and his dangai form is way way stronger than that, country level isn't that far off a statement
Becasue I only saw naruto doing ftl feats at the end whereas Ichigo was doin it before shiki😑 so if u can’t prove that Ichigo can just speed blitz’s, only at vasto lorde I have in milions times faster then the speed of light. As for ap and dc Ichigo stated in the hell verse movie that if he let the monster take over he woul destory the world, that’s af 50% so then if that’s the case we can say that kurama is relitive to white, even tho I’m low balling white. And most of narutos powers come form kurama. Ichigo has 2 other major and stronger forces, Quincy powers and soul reaper power. With the Quincy powers he is able to absorb the reshi in the area and if he’s able to do that he can never become weak, or lose any energy. In bleach dura = reshi and reshi = dc and ap. Yhwach absorbed the soul king , the soul king being an ultimate being. And Ichigo one shot Yhwach with 1/3 of his powers so unless u can prove other wise then yes it pretty easy to see Ichigo literary solos the verse until hago and the only reason hago is cuz oh his izanagi other then that he would get destroyed no diff. If u want to have a debate with scans just add me on disc
First off the raikage is stated to move at relativistic speeds and in the manga he was said to move like flashes. Which is why sasuke couldn't keep up with the raikage and decided to surround himself with amaterasu flames. The mangekyo sharingan can react to people moving at lightning speeds or otherwise 270,000 mps (meters per second) or 603,972 Mi/h (Miles per hour). The raikage moving at relativistic speeds puts him at 2/3rds the speed of light or otherwise 299,792,458 mps or 670,616,629 Mi/h. Especially since he's seen as synapses of light to his subordinate when facing sasuke. This explains why sasuke can't even react to him. According to the databook when he performs the lariat (he uses his full power) and moves at relativistic speeds. Naruto in KCM1 (Kurama Chakra Mode 1) was able to blitz full powered raikage going at his top speed and meant to kill Naruto. This means Naruto is either moving at very high relativistic speeds (almost hitting light speed) or just about the speed of light. Naruto lore explains the more chakra one has the faster and stronger they become. And Naruto enters KCM2. Which at least doubles his strength and speed from before because in kcm1 he only had access to a fraction of kurama's chakra and with KCM2 he now has full access to all of kurama's chakra. So now he's at least 2x the speed of light or 2x faster than light. Bare with me because Naruto still has 3 other mode upgrades from here. Naruto after being able to use KCM2 combines it with his sage mode. Sage mode is able to increase one's overall abilities, strength, speed, reaction, durability, etc. By at least 10x. This is proven due to Jirobo and Sakon and Ukon stating in their curse mark 2 forms that they were 10x more powerful than before (this was a statement discussed twice). More proof of this is when Naruto uses giant rasengan with sage mode and it's several times bigger than when he first introduced it. Another is with the rasenshuriken, where it is shown to be able to destroy large hills when it is first introduced. However when he uses it in the pain arc he launches it across an entire mountain range in 1 sec. And it blows up an entire mountain. Thus making sage mode at least a 10x booster. KCM2 is already making Naruto move at 2x the speed of light. So by combining KCM2 with SM is Naruto with KCM2+SM. This makes him 10x the speed of light. Hold up cuz we're still not done. This is because Naruto still has a few more modes. This time with 6 paths sage mode. This mode gives him at least around a 10-20x overall boost due to the SM explanation i gave before but its a little different because this is a much higher form of Sage Mode. Now this can be proven because Naruto in KCM2 is able to casually make 1 bijuu bomb that matches 5 combined bijuu bombs from 5 other tailed beasts. Each bijuu bomb from everyone aside from 9 tails can destroy 1 mountain. This means KCM2+SM is able to destroy at best an island because KCM2 is already able to destroy a mountain range with his causal bijuu bomb. The SM gives him a boost of 10 so this means he can destroy around 50 mountains in KCM2+SM (this is KCM2+SM at its max). Now what does all this destruction mean? Well it contributes because in Naruto lore the more chakra you have the stronger and faster you are. So 6 Paths Sage Mode is able to destroy multiple island sized meteors which make up the entire country of frost (in Naruto they call countries Lands so technically its called Land of Frost). This means Naruto goes from KCM2+SM (island level) to 6 Paths Sage Mode (country level). This is also proven to be true because Naruto dodges the Light Fang at point blank range with no issue. He need to move his body faster than the light can reach hi. So with his upgraded form of 6 paths mode he's at least 20x the speed of light. Yet there is even more. Because everything said here is Naruto with only half of kurama. Yes thats right only half. After the war arc he gains the other half making him at least 2x as powerful. So now pretty much all the other modes he's been using is boosted by 2x at least now. Which coincidentally isn't even Naruto's last form lol. In Boruto Hokage Naruto recently got a new mode that makes even stronger than any of his modes to date. He gains speed and strength that can outperform someone who casually beat him in his strongest previous form which is the 6 Paths Sage Mode with a full kurama (in war arc he only had half). This Mode is called the Baryon Mode (its unquantifiable as to how much his speed is from here because he only used it briefly but my guess is that its at least 5x more powerful than his previous mode). With that said we have other feats (that don't need scaling) through light novels where Naruto in base mode dodges photon beams.
@@idreesmalik1267 Ichigo never oneshotted ywach lol. He legit lost because he got shot by an arrow that sealed ALL his power which gave icbigo the ability to cut him down. The mere fact that your entire argument ignores this fact proves your statements to be completely false.
That's not what some people are saying. Some say Naruto stomps, even when stated facts about Toriko. Some people think that Toriko would be vaporized by the truth seeking balls.
Jeff E but him being disintegrating from the truth seeking balls is accurate as no one without sage energy its self can touch it. Its stated several times in the Manga
You mean Inaccurate right? and yeah Toriko punched a guy clear across a earth that is 3x the size of our earth and caught him from behind, also he cut a piece off of that earth with jet knife (I believe) that busting attack would destroy our earth because that piece that toriko cut off is equal to our earth.
Do you even maths bro? An 50% increase is not x50 is half of what you have already and including 50% natural energy would make the total composition of chakra at 33.33% each physical, spiritual and natural energy
Pallav Kashyap you forget that if he infuses to little it doesn't work so he already has to equal his nature energy to the same level he produces his spiritual and Physical energy. Thats how sage mode works, hence making it so difficult to use in the first place. By balancing it all. And as fukasaku said before if you put it too little then it won't work and if you put in too much you'll turn into a stone frog.
Ive made a post today about ichigo and naruto on a debate group. So i asked why is ichigo destroying an below average mountain so amazing. If we take a look at naruto in KCM 2 no sage mode. Naruto smackee 6 mountian lvl nukes as easy as ichigo did one mountian. KCM already have more physical prowess then ichigo. Also ichigo destroyed azien hado. Im not trying to lowball but ichigo literally used less energy destroying a hado then he did the mountian. I believe with mountian lvl DC azien hado can be broken as we seen.
Im not trying to low ball but remember azien fragger. A multi mountian fragger did hurt ichigo and injured him to the point it couldnt be used . naruto would have smacked it like it was a fly . this is also another example as to way ichigo dangi is obviously mountian to multi mountain is durability and DC. Mugetsu is maybe islsnd lvl at best. You guys can say what you want but there is no excuse to theses facts i said.
aron Guillen Exactly that exactly what I said in the video but people don't seem to be taking that into consideration. I'm glad you made this comment 😊.
Halloween's Calling remember that since blur vene is one of his abilities from his Quincy heritage, and since he doesn’t know how to use those abilities. He most likely has no control over them and possibly is unable to use them. I’m still catching up with bleach manga but from what I’ve read and heard from other fans who have done research this seems to a fact. Again I am trying to catch up so please wait for infinitesessions reply.
Halloween's Calling Those can't be called mountains as they weren't exactly that big as you can still see Ichigo and Aizen. The mountains where you see mugetsu being used are in fact real mountains because they dwarf all the surroiding areas and Forrest's around while when ichigo and Aizen destroyed the "mountains" they weren't that big compared to the mountains shown when mugetsu was used. Also Blut vene is an ability that Ichigo has but he does not know how to use them as when Ywach tried to kill him he casually tried to stab him without much effort on his neck and to their surprise he subconsciously activated it without knowing he ever was able to use it. His regenerative powers haven't been shown since the fight with ulquiorra so we can't say for sure if he can still use them anymore. Nonetheless its still isn't as powerful as Narutos regerative powers as he instantly healed as soon as Sasuke stabbed him with a chidori and that was in part 1 of the series.
faulty pixel scaling and "feats means everything" logic. you're taking hand drawn images too seriously, and not paying attention to the actual story, which is what's important. ichigo didn't have as many feats as naruto simply because he didn't have as much screen time, it does not mean he is weaker by any means. without the almighty ichigo was capable of matching Yhwach's power, and that power is capable of destroying entire realities and recreating them all over again, one of those realities is our reality, and guess what, we live in a vast universe. nothing in naruto can compare to the soul king power
Saif Alhadithy of course feats mean everything thats how you make a battle like tho lol but I see your point and I wasn't pixel scaling at all (i dont believe in that) lol I was just saying how we never saw how far ichigo's mugetsu went so we can't say for sure how far it went so we can only speculate from what we see.
i mean like it or not that is exactly like pixel scaling. you can't just determine how potent a fictional attack is by looking at how "far it went". a good example of this is what's going on currently in dragonball super, their attacks should very well be in the galaxy+ range and yet the explosions they are making are as big as a city block. pointless argument. you can understand how strong their attacks is by understanding the lore, not by looking at how big it is.
Saif Alhadithy I understand the lore but I specifically said that mugetsu was never stated in the Manga, data book, or author how powerful it was, therefore we can only speecualte from what we see, unless you can tell me exactly how powerful that attack is? Not to mention that is his most powerful attack cuz you know There's no meaning to putting Final Getsuga Tensho if that wasn't his full power in that form.
And since the Manga and lore its self says his true shikai form is equal to his final Getsuga Tensho form then Hus Bankai at max only gets a 5-10 power up boost since thats what yoruichi said how a Bankai's power scales to. You also forget that Ywach got his almighty and immortality taken away because of the arrow Uryuu shot into him. But I'll respect your opinion if you think ichigo wins no prob. 😊
I can't tell you exactly how powerful mugetsu is, because as you said there was not enough information on it. It is his strongest technique so far, true, however, the only time it was used was when he was in a much weaker form compared to EOS. "Dangai ichigo" is simply the small fraction of his power that has been trained for 3 months and mugetsu is just a technique, which if used with his full power would have been alot stronger than what we saw against aizen. Anyways, It doesn't matter how strong mugetsu is, really. What matters is how strong Yhwach was and the fact that ichigo was matching him (before using Almighty) and that it was stated in the canon light novel that ichigo was supposed to be the new soul king. In the lore ichigo is supposed to have enough power to maintain entire realities much like Yhwach, who as i said could destroy said realities and recreate them all over. Now tell me if naruto is anywhere near that powerful of an entity
Naruto will mop Ichigo clean He is incarnate of god Has hashirama cells Has all 9 beasts chakra Sage mode Can summon giant frogs Won against an actuall god at 18 Surpass every hokage
Strength Doesn't really matter how much someone can destroy the environment in the bleachverse. If we were to go by how much ichigo has shown to be able to destroy, his vasto lorde form would be stronger than mugetsu, which is far from the case. Mugetsu was just a really focused slice with less area of affect than ichigos ceros. So strenght is gonna be hard to decide Speed: And ichigo is at the bare minimum light speed. An espada in hueco mundo was able to dodge light itself. No light based attack or something, just light Endurance and healing factor Ichigo survived a hole through the chest with some of his organs completely vaporized, which is about equal to naruto . And if we take fan calcs into consideration, ichigo could tank an attack capable of destroying an area greater than California, since ulquiorras first resurrection was able to destroy las noches and his second ressurection is atleast a 5 times multiplier to his power and this ulquiorra could spam his lances like it was nothing. And ichigo tamked that attack like it was nothing. Also i don't see naruto's healing being able to do anything when ichigo was able to massively weaken an immortal being And you keep forgetting that ichigo was surpressed most of the time and was as strong as mugetsu/dangai(depends on interpretation) and his final bankai being atleast a 100 times multiplier. To dangai/mugetsu
@@infinitesession5439 when i said bankai i mean hollowfied true bankai. And bankai ×10 and hollow×10(or 100, since his hollow was able to overpower two ×10-5 multipliers by ulquiorra) is a ×100 multiplier to his true shikai
@@blazethehedgehog1159 Because I was comparing both through feats only. Also if I recall I put Naruto around moon level (which he is through solid feats). If we really Scaled them they would be multi planetary. I also Scaled them both down like that because People more often than not want to downplay their feats. So by comparing feats only was how the winner was decided. Tbh Naruto has more impressive feats than ichigo does through the source material. However looking at them objectively the main reason Naruto would win is due to vast experience in fighting techniques and a diverse arsenal. Something i think ichigo has an incredibly hard time fighting against.
Too bad they nerfed Ichigo in the battle. They honestly thought Ichigo was not faster than the speed of light and such. It's sad how they had no idea how to check his actual feats.
7:45, when hollow masked ichigo can tank an attack that can destroy an area the size of California and his dangai form is way way stronger than that, country level isn't that far off a statement
Dujean Hickling the thing is he didnt tank the blast its self he was able to block it as a spear and we don't know if it had the same amount of power as its blast. So he didnt technically tank the attack.
No hate please
I think people are underestimating Ichigo’s power, people scale the bijuu bomb to nuke/montain levwl and in all fairness thay isn’t all that impressive to Ichigo if you take into consideration his fight with ulquiorra where it was stated that any espada level 4 or under could destroy las noches just by using there resurreccion which has been calculated in several videos to be size of the state of Victoria in Australia, and Ichigo in vasto lorde form was tanking these destruction level attacks by ulquiorra segunda etapa without even being scratched and may I add, ulquiorra is the only arrancar to aquire a second release which means these attacks could be even more destructive. Ichigo is the pinnacle of unmatched unimaginable raw untamed physical prowess, Ichigo trained for 3 months non stop to achieve his final getsuga tenshoy, if you remeber dangai Ichigo was massively more powerful than vasto lorde Ichigo and he was casually crushing mountains from not even laying contact upon them just the sock waves from half arsed swings with his sword. Also he casually broke through hado 90 with a swing of his wrist which is the black coffin and it was used by a trancended aizen who's power was so overwhelming that regular humans would disintegrate from being near him and hado 90 is basicaly warps space and time, not saying it's a black hole, but ichigo broke out of Yukio fulbring power which after claiming a portion of ichigo's fulbring he is able to create his own seperate pocket dimension. In the 1000 year blood war arc Ichigo re aquired his mugetsu power just in Base shikai, and now had the power boost from his quincy and hollowfied form and now on top of that with his bankai. Ichigo is far faster than speed of light if you think about back in the soul society ichigo is stated to be as fast as lighting, and now adding all his countless battles and obviously improving and getting stronger from these experiences/also his transformation boost so be fair ichigo in the end of the arancar arc should be at least the speed of light if not more, also in the final arc Lilotto evades the ashwalen which is a ray light, Shunsui Evades Lille Barro's Light Ray, and Ichigo destroyed Lilotto and her friends comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/bleach-speed-of-light-feats-1759181/ and is obviously far stronger than Shunsui. Literally Ichigo was fighting on par with a being capable of destroying all the world’s in the bleach verse until he used his all mighty to break Ichigo’s bankai which he even said was so powerful he couldn’t take any risks or make any errors. Not saying Ichigo is stronger but many people down play ichigo let's hope screw attack do these shonen legends justice and give us an epic fight.
StephenB95 Calculations especially from fans have no true meaning without it being officially stated by the author, The Manga, or a data book. I'm just laying down the feats as it is shown and the hado 90 feat isn't that impressive either as we don't know how big that small pocket of space is just that its able to disintegrate things that is inside it. I just later down some misconceptions people have with ichigo in terms of feats. If you scale him based in the feats shown he's literally at best continental just by feats. While Naruto has shown to be even stronger. I was by no means downplaying ichigo whatsoever I have volumes 1-63 and read the fights especially the ones against Aizen and Ywach many times and its just how the feats turn them out to be. And like I said in the video if there were more feats for ichigo then he would have been much easier to scale. Also just because his Bankai was able to cut Ywach does not mean he has the same power as Ywach does. Nonetheless I can't disagree that ichigo is indeed a powerful opponent and character in general but when his feats aren't at least well displayed in the source material then its impossible to scale him with such little information.
InfiniteSession I agree kubo build up ichigo's powers to be amazing but than left us down by not executing his powers in terms of feats, really wanted a see when ichigo went bankai they showed various sence of different characters in there own world's like earth, soul society, etc nd so on wondering what's that incredible power and it's starts suffocating everyone from his spiritual pressure
StephenB95 yeah but that power known as reiatsu is an OP move just like the truth seeking orbs Naruto has so idk if they would put that in but even so I'm sure screw attack will try to even out the playing field for both sides at least I hope.
InfiniteSession True Naruto can use the truth seeking orbs to erase anything and Ichigo could crush naruto with his spirtual pressure, it really is a great match up in my opinion just imagine ichigo in hollowfied quincy form with bankai vs naruto in sage of six paths mode charging at each other. That would be amazing.
StephenB95 yeah it would
I love these videos bro
13:55 ok yes he stopped the bombs form the tailed beasts but did ichigo also “block” a move form aizen that was on the same level as a black hole?
Black coffin that’s the name
There is no evidence that it was a black hole since it acts nothing like one. A black hole is a center of gravity that pulls and sucks everything in its vicinity, even light. This is not the case with hado 99. Hado 99 is more similar to a truth seeking orb except hado 99 can be physically broken out of and doesn't require to have a hax ability to counter it. Truth seeking orbs can't unless you don't touch it. All in all. What we saw in the fight merits more towards a black box that erases whatever is inside it except you can physically break out of it if you are strong enough.
Half Kurama is = to final getsuga tenshou woow looking through this is just amazing keept it up
Esam Jabbarov yeah and that is without any sage mode enhancements. I would say true Bankai ichigo is more or less equal when Naruto uses Bijuu sage mode but just so I wouldn't get the hardcore bleach fans too angry I said Sage of Six paths mode Naruto can be put to be equal to True Bankai ichigo (just so they wouldn't get angry lol).
Half of Kurama = Final Getsuga? That's like comparing our moon to the sun. Kurama is strong but ichigo can bitch slap that fox with his eyes close.
SlowRkers clearly don't come here spouting head canon. if you wanna debate about Ichigo beats Naruto than just give the call
SlowRkers No, Not even. Ichigo strongest attack(mugetsu) was at best shown destroying a mountain range. And since we never got an official statement or visual proof how far it went we can only assume it destroyed multiple mountains to possibly an island. Honestly its impossible to talk to bleachtards at this point tho so you can take whatever I said however you want.
InfiniteSession same goes to to Narutards. Somehow loves to twist facts into their favour just to prove a mortal can beat a Grim Reaper, an Ascended Grim Reaper at that.
We have agreed to collaborate to make a part two for this, in order to address any comments you may have from this one. As well as go into some more depth if we are able to.
I personally believe Ichigo wins, because his feats are just more powerful compared to Naruto and has to counter to what Naruto has, but Naruto doesn't have counters to what Ichigo has.
You do realize featwise Naruto is superior right???
@@infinitesession5439 I mean Ichigo is there busting multiple infinite sized universes but Naruto is there busting the one at max. Even if you wanna say no uni stuff for either, literally Ichigo destroyed a solar system sized dimension by accident.
@@Shinigami-gm9mf he never destroyed a solar system sized dimension by accident lol.
@@infinitesession5439 When he was trapped in Yukio's pocket dimension he did. Pre Fullbring amp Yukio can create a pocket dimension that has a star in it.
@@Shinigami-gm9mf are you seriously comparing Yukio pocket dimension as a solar system????
Hey, so on Ichigo's hill and or mountain feat I was wondering does anyone think it might just be the framing of the characters? Like you know when you're close to the camera you're the same size as the leaning tower of Pisa, because it does say in the manga that he blew away a "mountain" right?
Tyson Holgate perhaps but then again there hasn't been enough evidence to support that otherwise in the scene where the mugetsu is launched we would have at least seen some mountains destroyed by them but sadly we never did.
Where did you get 50 percent powee boost. I dont see it stated
aron Guillen Fukasaku said that in order to even use sage mode Naruto has to balance the amounto of sage energy he can take in. And to make chakra he already admits 50% spiritual energy and 50% Physical energy to make chakra and therefore to create jutsu. And fukasaku said that to even use sage mode you have to put in an equal amount of that energy in order to activate it and gain its abilities. He said if you add in too little it won't work and if you add in too much you'll turn into a stone frog. Thats why sage mode is so hard to master and thats why no one but Naruto and Hashirama were able to use it properly because they have very large chakra pools which allow them to keep using that much energy. Hence why jiraiya and minato couldn't master it because their own chakra pool wasn't large enough like Naruto's and Hashiramas.
He has to balance have i understand but where do you get 50 times boost from just balancing have your chakra and sage .
aron Guillen the reason its a 50 times power boost is because it is literally adding a whole other 50% of raw energy into Naruto increasing his stats 50 times or so because let's say his ability is for example with just physical and spiritual energy mixed 100% or 50+50=100 for His overall stats and abilities. You just have to add in 50 more to say his ability increases this. Now we can say this to be true because fukasaku lifted up a giant stone statue waaaay bigger that Him. And in the pain fight Naruto was able to lift a giant rhino let's say at least 50 times bigger than a normal one because it was so big it was compared to the frogs that Naruto summoned and we all now how freaking huge those frogs are. Naruto was able to lift and throw that's thing high into the air like it was nothing:
•The rhino's size compared to Naruto:
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•Naruto throwing said rhino:
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aron Guillen here's a comparison to the frogs and the beasts summoned by pain they are all pretty much the same size.
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•Here you can see one pain standing on the rhino just how have seen Naruto standing on the chief toads head which is pretty similar in terms of size.
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Infinite session. I see it makes sense. So i was woundering naruto when he uses kurama chakra does he have to gather half of sage energy to equal that chakra naruto has in his body. So in KCM2 if he wants to use sage energy he has to gather equal amounts of sage energy as there is chakra
why didnt you mention the fact that hollows can grab humans (grandfisher did that to karin i believe and and fishbone d did it to karin aswell man she is popular with the hollows) and if that works why shouldnt it be vice versa
Black Wolf I forgot about that but I was still able to make my point clear though.
Black Wolf well to some people they would argue that Karin has spiritual awareness and can then sense them so I had to use characters who couldn't see or sense them at all to prove my point.
InfiniteSession true true but then you can argue how does some normal person even get spiritual awareness? we know that keigo karin chad orihime and the bunch got it because of ichigo but wjat about don kanonji? honestly how did this guy got his spiritual awareness? ichigo cant be the answer because he was famous for a long time and you cant say he is filler, because of his weirdness, because he isnt. so it might be possible that one argue naruto has that spiritual awareness aswell because of kurama and uzumaki clan (known for their chakra i believe)
Black Wolf true
Black Wolf BTW? What did you think of my video though?
ScrewAttack forgot that Naruto and Bee Tanked the juubi Wave by wrapping up in a ball
jetjaguar lunaricefangs true!!!!🤔
7:45, when hollow masked ichigo can tank an attack that can destroy an area the size of California and his dangai form is way way stronger than that, country level isn't that far off a statement
Naruto tanked an attack that split the moon that is far more impressive
@@Crow-nc1oo a HOLLOW MOON.
@@watercow5666 3 truth seeking orbs, not 9 and naruto wasnt in his strongest form.
@@momotheone9700 already changed my scal9ng for naruto. Have him at yalaxy-low multi universal attack potency and durability
Can u tell me any feats that show naruto being at least 10 times faster then light
Becasue I only saw naruto doing ftl feats at the end whereas Ichigo was doin it before shiki😑 so if u can’t prove that Ichigo can just speed blitz’s, only at vasto lorde I have in milions times faster then the speed of light. As for ap and dc Ichigo stated in the hell verse movie that if he let the monster take over he woul destory the world, that’s af 50% so then if that’s the case we can say that kurama is relitive to white, even tho I’m low balling white. And most of narutos powers come form kurama. Ichigo has 2 other major and stronger forces, Quincy powers and soul reaper power. With the Quincy powers he is able to absorb the reshi in the area and if he’s able to do that he can never become weak, or lose any energy. In bleach dura = reshi and reshi = dc and ap. Yhwach absorbed the soul king , the soul king being an ultimate being. And Ichigo one shot Yhwach with 1/3 of his powers so unless u can prove other wise then yes it pretty easy to see Ichigo literary solos the verse until hago and the only reason hago is cuz oh his izanagi other then that he would get destroyed no diff. If u want to have a debate with scans just add me on disc
First off the raikage is stated to move at relativistic speeds and in the manga he was said to move like flashes. Which is why sasuke couldn't keep up with the raikage and decided to surround himself with amaterasu flames. The mangekyo sharingan can react to people moving at lightning speeds or otherwise 270,000 mps (meters per second) or 603,972 Mi/h (Miles per hour). The raikage moving at relativistic speeds puts him at 2/3rds the speed of light or otherwise
299,792,458 mps or 670,616,629 Mi/h. Especially since he's seen as synapses of light to his subordinate when facing sasuke. This explains why sasuke can't even react to him.
According to the databook when he performs the lariat (he uses his full power) and moves at relativistic speeds. Naruto in KCM1 (Kurama Chakra Mode 1) was able to blitz full powered raikage going at his top speed and meant to kill Naruto. This means Naruto is either moving at very high relativistic speeds (almost hitting light speed) or just about the speed of light. Naruto lore explains the more chakra one has the faster and stronger they become. And Naruto enters KCM2. Which at least doubles his strength and speed from before because in kcm1 he only had access to a fraction of kurama's chakra and with KCM2 he now has full access to all of kurama's chakra. So now he's at least 2x the speed of light or 2x faster than light. Bare with me because Naruto still has 3 other mode upgrades from here.
Naruto after being able to use KCM2 combines it with his sage mode. Sage mode is able to increase one's overall abilities, strength, speed, reaction, durability, etc. By at least 10x. This is proven due to Jirobo and Sakon and Ukon stating in their curse mark 2 forms that they were 10x more powerful than before (this was a statement discussed twice). More proof of this is when Naruto uses giant rasengan with sage mode and it's several times bigger than when he first introduced it. Another is with the rasenshuriken, where it is shown to be able to destroy large hills when it is first introduced. However when he uses it in the pain arc he launches it across an entire mountain range in 1 sec. And it blows up an entire mountain. Thus making sage mode at least a 10x booster. KCM2 is already making Naruto move at 2x the speed of light. So by combining KCM2 with SM is Naruto with KCM2+SM. This makes him 10x the speed of light.
Hold up cuz we're still not done. This is because Naruto still has a few more modes. This time with 6 paths sage mode. This mode gives him at least around a 10-20x overall boost due to the SM explanation i gave before but its a little different because this is a much higher form of Sage Mode. Now this can be proven because Naruto in KCM2 is able to casually make 1 bijuu bomb that matches 5 combined bijuu bombs from 5 other tailed beasts. Each bijuu bomb from everyone aside from 9 tails can destroy 1 mountain. This means KCM2+SM is able to destroy at best an island because KCM2 is already able to destroy a mountain range with his causal bijuu bomb. The SM gives him a boost of 10 so this means he can destroy around 50 mountains in KCM2+SM (this is KCM2+SM at its max). Now what does all this destruction mean? Well it contributes because in Naruto lore the more chakra you have the stronger and faster you are. So 6 Paths Sage Mode is able to destroy multiple island sized meteors which make up the entire country of frost (in Naruto they call countries Lands so technically its called Land of Frost). This means Naruto goes from KCM2+SM (island level) to 6 Paths Sage Mode (country level). This is also proven to be true because Naruto dodges the Light Fang at point blank range with no issue. He need to move his body faster than the light can reach hi. So with his upgraded form of 6 paths mode he's at least 20x the speed of light.
Yet there is even more. Because everything said here is Naruto with only half of kurama. Yes thats right only half. After the war arc he gains the other half making him at least 2x as powerful. So now pretty much all the other modes he's been using is boosted by 2x at least now. Which coincidentally isn't even Naruto's last form lol. In Boruto Hokage Naruto recently got a new mode that makes even stronger than any of his modes to date. He gains speed and strength that can outperform someone who casually beat him in his strongest previous form which is the 6 Paths Sage Mode with a full kurama (in war arc he only had half). This Mode is called the Baryon Mode (its unquantifiable as to how much his speed is from here because he only used it briefly but my guess is that its at least 5x more powerful than his previous mode).
With that said we have other feats (that don't need scaling) through light novels where Naruto in base mode dodges photon beams.
@@idreesmalik1267 how can Vasto lorde be millions of times faster than light? That makes no sense in any credible scaling.
@@idreesmalik1267 Ichigo never oneshotted ywach lol. He legit lost because he got shot by an arrow that sealed ALL his power which gave icbigo the ability to cut him down. The mere fact that your entire argument ignores this fact proves your statements to be completely false.
@@infinitesession5439 so then this would put him relitive to 100x the speed of light? Correct or would u say higher
ichigo is planetary plus
No tf he ain't 😂
Most of this Naruto fans haven't even read the bleach manga...I'm a NARUTO fan too tho
@@desserah4243 yeah
Im a bleach fan but i respect you for giving him respect
Hey guys new Death battle idea!! Toriko vs Naruto! now this would be a battle. Who would win this battle?
Jeff E Toriko would massively stomp bro.
That's not what some people are saying. Some say Naruto stomps, even when stated facts about Toriko. Some people think that Toriko would be vaporized by the truth seeking balls.
Jeff E lol those people are called Severe Narutards and can't scale or use feats properly and are just extremely biased in general.
Jeff E but him being disintegrating from the truth seeking balls is accurate as no one without sage energy its self can touch it. Its stated several times in the Manga
You mean Inaccurate right? and yeah Toriko punched a guy clear across a earth that is 3x the size of our earth and caught him from behind, also he cut a piece off of that earth with jet knife (I believe) that busting attack would destroy our earth because that piece that toriko cut off is equal to our earth.
Do you even maths bro? An 50% increase is not x50 is half of what you have already and including 50% natural energy would make the total composition of chakra at 33.33% each physical, spiritual and natural energy
Pallav Kashyap you forget that if he infuses to little it doesn't work so he already has to equal his nature energy to the same level he produces his spiritual and Physical energy. Thats how sage mode works, hence making it so difficult to use in the first place. By balancing it all. And as fukasaku said before if you put it too little then it won't work and if you put in too much you'll turn into a stone frog.
Ive made a post today about ichigo and naruto on a debate group. So i asked why is ichigo destroying an below average mountain so amazing. If we take a look at naruto in KCM 2 no sage mode. Naruto smackee 6 mountian lvl nukes as easy as ichigo did one mountian. KCM already have more physical prowess then ichigo. Also ichigo destroyed azien hado. Im not trying to lowball but ichigo literally used less energy destroying a hado then he did the mountian. I believe with mountian lvl DC azien hado can be broken as we seen.
Im not trying to low ball but remember azien fragger. A multi mountian fragger did hurt ichigo and injured him to the point it couldnt be used . naruto would have smacked it like it was a fly . this is also another example as to way ichigo dangi is obviously mountian to multi mountain is durability and DC. Mugetsu is maybe islsnd lvl at best. You guys can say what you want but there is no excuse to theses facts i said.
aron Guillen Exactly that exactly what I said in the video but people don't seem to be taking that into consideration. I'm glad you made this comment 😊.
aron Guillen i agree with you as well
Halloween's Calling remember that since blur vene is one of his abilities from his Quincy heritage, and since he doesn’t know how to use those abilities. He most likely has no control over them and possibly is unable to use them. I’m still catching up with bleach manga but from what I’ve read and heard from other fans who have done research this seems to a fact. Again I am trying to catch up so please wait for infinitesessions reply.
Halloween's Calling Those can't be called mountains as they weren't exactly that big as you can still see Ichigo and Aizen. The mountains where you see mugetsu being used are in fact real mountains because they dwarf all the surroiding areas and Forrest's around while when ichigo and Aizen destroyed the "mountains" they weren't that big compared to the mountains shown when mugetsu was used. Also Blut vene is an ability that Ichigo has but he does not know how to use them as when Ywach tried to kill him he casually tried to stab him without much effort on his neck and to their surprise he subconsciously activated it without knowing he ever was able to use it. His regenerative powers haven't been shown since the fight with ulquiorra so we can't say for sure if he can still use them anymore. Nonetheless its still isn't as powerful as Narutos regerative powers as he instantly healed as soon as Sasuke stabbed him with a chidori and that was in part 1 of the series.
In the data books it said Kaguya is Star level
faulty pixel scaling and "feats means everything" logic. you're taking hand drawn images too seriously, and not paying attention to the actual story, which is what's important. ichigo didn't have as many feats as naruto simply because he didn't have as much screen time, it does not mean he is weaker by any means.
without the almighty ichigo was capable of matching Yhwach's power, and that power is capable of destroying entire realities and recreating them all over again, one of those realities is our reality, and guess what, we live in a vast universe. nothing in naruto can compare to the soul king power
Saif Alhadithy of course feats mean everything thats how you make a battle like tho lol but I see your point and I wasn't pixel scaling at all (i dont believe in that) lol I was just saying how we never saw how far ichigo's mugetsu went so we can't say for sure how far it went so we can only speculate from what we see.
i mean like it or not that is exactly like pixel scaling. you can't just determine how potent a fictional attack is by looking at how "far it went". a good example of this is what's going on currently in dragonball super, their attacks should very well be in the galaxy+ range and yet the explosions they are making are as big as a city block. pointless argument. you can understand how strong their attacks is by understanding the lore, not by looking at how big it is.
Saif Alhadithy I understand the lore but I specifically said that mugetsu was never stated in the Manga, data book, or author how powerful it was, therefore we can only speecualte from what we see, unless you can tell me exactly how powerful that attack is? Not to mention that is his most powerful attack cuz you know There's no meaning to putting Final Getsuga Tensho if that wasn't his full power in that form.
And since the Manga and lore its self says his true shikai form is equal to his final Getsuga Tensho form then Hus Bankai at max only gets a 5-10 power up boost since thats what yoruichi said how a Bankai's power scales to. You also forget that Ywach got his almighty and immortality taken away because of the arrow Uryuu shot into him. But I'll respect your opinion if you think ichigo wins no prob. 😊
I can't tell you exactly how powerful mugetsu is, because as you said there was not enough information on it.
It is his strongest technique so far, true, however, the only time it was used was when he was in a much weaker form compared to EOS. "Dangai ichigo" is simply the small fraction of his power that has been trained for 3 months and mugetsu is just a technique, which if used with his full power would have been alot stronger than what we saw against aizen.
Anyways, It doesn't matter how strong mugetsu is, really. What matters is how strong Yhwach was and the fact that ichigo was matching him (before using Almighty) and that it was stated in the canon light novel that ichigo was supposed to be the new soul king.
In the lore ichigo is supposed to have enough power to maintain entire realities much like Yhwach, who as i said could destroy said realities and recreate them all over. Now tell me if naruto is anywhere near that powerful of an entity
Naruto will mop Ichigo clean
He is incarnate of god
Has hashirama cells
Has all 9 beasts chakra
Sage mode
Can summon giant frogs
Won against an actuall god at 18
Surpass every hokage
Nah he loses
I would say Naruto is at least planetary Ichigo is multi continental
@Ichigo Kurosaki Yea I don't agree with that scaling wise ichigo should be planetary as well. Feat wise he's barely at large country level.
Strength
Doesn't really matter how much someone can destroy the environment in the bleachverse. If we were to go by how much ichigo has shown to be able to destroy, his vasto lorde form would be stronger than mugetsu, which is far from the case. Mugetsu was just a really focused slice with less area of affect than ichigos ceros.
So strenght is gonna be hard to decide
Speed:
And ichigo is at the bare minimum light speed. An espada in hueco mundo was able to dodge light itself. No light based attack or something, just light
Endurance and healing factor
Ichigo survived a hole through the chest with some of his organs completely vaporized, which is about equal to naruto . And if we take fan calcs into consideration, ichigo could tank an attack capable of destroying an area greater than California, since ulquiorras first resurrection was able to destroy las noches and his second ressurection is atleast a 5 times multiplier to his power and this ulquiorra could spam his lances like it was nothing. And ichigo tamked that attack like it was nothing. Also i don't see naruto's healing being able to do anything when ichigo was able to massively weaken an immortal being
And you keep forgetting that ichigo was surpressed most of the time and was as strong as mugetsu/dangai(depends on interpretation) and his final bankai being atleast a 100 times multiplier. To dangai/mugetsu
@@watercow5666 Not really Naruto has had a hole in him as well. Heck even adult Naruto had multiple holes in him and regenerated them like nothing.
@@watercow5666 How can his bankai be a 100x multiplier when the established rule in the story for a bankai's release is 10x stronger maximum?
@@infinitesession5439 when i said bankai i mean hollowfied true bankai. And bankai ×10 and hollow×10(or 100, since his hollow was able to overpower two ×10-5 multipliers by ulquiorra) is a ×100 multiplier to his true shikai
Ichigo is multi-planetary
So is Naruto
@@infinitesession5439 not the point
@@blazethehedgehog1159 then what point are you trying to make?
@@infinitesession5439 you lowballed Ichigo to continental at best and Naruto planet(which he is)
@@blazethehedgehog1159 Because I was comparing both through feats only. Also if I recall I put Naruto around moon level (which he is through solid feats). If we really Scaled them they would be multi planetary. I also Scaled them both down like that because People more often than not want to downplay their feats. So by comparing feats only was how the winner was decided. Tbh Naruto has more impressive feats than ichigo does through the source material. However looking at them objectively the main reason Naruto would win is due to vast experience in fighting techniques and a diverse arsenal. Something i think ichigo has an incredibly hard time fighting against.
Ichigo is weak a. Only thing he has is speed. Speed alone can't win against someone who can sense attacks.
All he has is speed?...wow I don't even know what to say I'm outta here
? My opinion is ichigo
ichigo will win
Hands down!!
Too bad they nerfed Ichigo in the battle. They honestly thought Ichigo was not faster than the speed of light and such. It's sad how they had no idea how to check his actual feats.
You can dream
Bitch
Never.
Go somewheres else Bleachtard
7:45, when hollow masked ichigo can tank an attack that can destroy an area the size of California and his dangai form is way way stronger than that, country level isn't that far off a statement
Dujean Hickling the thing is he didnt tank the blast its self he was able to block it as a spear and we don't know if it had the same amount of power as its blast. So he didnt technically tank the attack.