I uploaded this video before I heard the news, but RIP to Paul Harrell. He and his work will be an inspiration for many years to come, and he will be missed.
I followed Paul for several years and was my favorite shootist and will miss his professionalism. I ran across your channel awhile back and enjoy your content so you have some big shoes to fill. I noticed your reloading equipment have you ever thought about some reloading content ?
@bananaballistics - you actually have a lot in common with Paul. Obviously, your senses of humor are quite different, but Paul always tried to take a scientific approach to his comparisons. I see a lot of that same tactic in your videos. Thanks for keeping up the testing, as it never gets old. Godspeed to Paul, and good luck to you in the future.
@@bdr32965 flat trajectory? Its pistol. Even if ya shoot it 50 yds most handgun usage at 30 ft or less. We like to shoot 55 gallon barrels @ 200 yds with 45&44 mag.
For those unfamiliar with the 41 Mag, the way I understand it, is that back in the day when most police agencies were carrying 38/357 revolvers, they were wanting something with a little more "ooomph" but were wary of the 44 Mag recoil. The 41 was developed to bridge the gap between the 357 and 44 mags. Unfortunately, the 41 required the larger frame as the 44 which negated some of the benefits of a larger caliber for service duty. Since 357 and 44 ammunition was more readily available, the 41 never caught on with most handgunners.
You’re correct for the reason it was developed. But it was too close to the .44. Larger pistol with near the same recoil as the .44. When it came out it was better than the .357, but you get the .44 for little more penalty in recoil.
If I remember the .41 magnum was created by 2 famous gun guys and was supposed to be much softer shooting, but the ammo manufactures thought the ammo needed to be hotter to sell and it ruined the whole idea behind the .41 magnum. The later idea behind the .40s and 10mm were inspired by the original .41 magnum idea, but again in the case of the 10mm it became hotter when ammo manufactures loaded it hotter to sell more.
I'm a 40-year .41 mag owner. Bullet selection is the key to the caliber. This round has been under loaded since cops freaked out at the recoil in the 1950s. Loaded down and stuffed with cheap-o bullets, which is where the "10 mm is equivalent to a .41 magnum" comparison nonsense came from. Forget major makers and anything with a lead-core & hollow-point if you're hunting. For hogs (or deer) go straight to Buffalo Bore: 230 grains, Hard Cast Semi-Wadcutter, Muzzle Velocity 1,450 FPS, Muzzle Energy 1,074 FT LBS. Now you've got a .41 magnum.
Agreed. .41 mag can easily hold it's own against the .44 mag, with all but the heaviest bullets. And it has a much flatter trajectory. Handloading is the key. Not "Reloading",,, Handloading. There's a difference. Reloading is simply copying some form of factory spec cartridge. Handloading is optimizing your loads for a specific firearm. Best accuracy is most important to me. Power, or economy may be your thing. There are no wrong answers, as long as you're Safe. Factory loads offered, SUCK. their biggest mistake,, was not offering a ".41 Special" for children and women to shoot. By sharing the same case, people could easily mix up lower powered rounds, with the Full on Magnums, scaring the crap out of anyone not expecting it. My biggest gun regret, is selling my flat top old model Ruger Blackhawk, in .41 Mag.
@@RoysFineGems Children, women and the FBI. "Look ma! No Hands! I reloaded my brass but without using my hands." I still hunt with my Blackhawk...with a 2x Leupold scope on top. And that's pronounced "Loo-pold" not "Leo-pold," as so many are apt to do. GEESE! One Bugs Bunny cartoon short, and everyone thinks Markus Friedrich Leupold was a musical orchestra conductor. ruclips.net/video/dIC1h86i7BE/видео.html
@@lawrenceallen8096 for .41 magnum, I have a 14" Contender barrel with 1.5-3.5 Weaver. Due to grip angle, the Contender puts the recoil strait back, with very little "pivot". Felt recoil is much less in my Super Blackhawk, with full power .44 magnum loads. The plow handle grip allowes the gun to pivot. Of course owning one, you know exactly what I mean. I remember in the Early 80s, shooting that blackhawk, all the time. Spitting out as many as a hundred or more in a single session. I've never been able to fire more than 20 at a time with the contender. And even firing just a few, I feel it in my wrist and elbow, for the next few days. I've got several barrels for it. My favorite is an 18" 30-30 barrel. With the hottest loads I dare shoot,, it's recoil is not as severe as the .41 Not being limited to flat point or round point bullets, it takes a "good" old cartridge, and turns it into a little race pony. But I will always miss that Blackhawk. Cheers friend!
@@RoysFineGems Yep. The old "hog leg" design of single actions did have a purpose. When you get good the gun rolls back up, and you cock the hammer simultaneously while you roll it back down into shooting position. I don't claim to have mastered that skill. Also, with the scope, it's not practical... which is more about just being precise on target the first time. I also hunted with a Thompson Contender (Iron sights), 30-30... a friend's. Nice rig. Good deep woods deer tool. CHEERS, back at ya.
I just love the fact that you shoot... ordinary. You're not some range master who hits center each and every time. You vary, you miss, but you often hit spot on.
Agreed… shooting wet clay makes such cool and visually pleasing shapes. Long been one of my favorite demos. The box of sand is another snoozer that could be replaced with this.
I’ve heard a lot of people claim that 10 is like the king of all rounds. 41 mag and 44 mag out of closed chamber builds a lot more pressure than the revolvers, got to get a carbine in 44 and 41. You will be surprised how nice a 16 inch barrel is with a 44. I have a 44 mag level action and absolutely love it
@@Grooove_e I recently bought one made by Rossi, because I couldn't find a Henry at the time, but I haven't yet had the opportunity to take it out and shoot it. What kind of range can you expect with it?
I love my 41 mag handguns as well. Handloading is fun and easy with this caliber. I had a Desert Eagle in 41 with an alloy frame...super-rare, but not nearly as much fun to shoot as a S&W 57 or Ruger Blackhawk! That round is made for big wheelguns. Great video: Paul would have approved!
I hunted deer & Elk with a 10” Super Blackhawk in Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico for 3+ decades. The muzzle velocity was pretty snappy and noticeably faster than the shorter .44 magnums. Too many years have passed to be certain , but I believe we were seeing 15% + higher velocities from the 10” model. Then again, they say memory is the second thing to go, and I can’t remember the first…. Oh BTW, I had 250 .44 special brass for reloading. I used .44 special almost exclusively for target shooting. I always used .44 mag. for pistol silhouette shooting.
You might consider trying the Taofledermaus patented lead plate as a target. It shows really good splatter patterns and on rare occasions certain projectiles go all the way through.
That's a pretty anemic load for the .41 Mag (1128 fps). I get around 1400 fps with a published handload using H110/W296 out of a 6.5" Ruger Blackhawk. It goes around 1700 fps out of my Marlin lever action.
All the .41 mag. Slugs that I have shot are 1250 fps. or greater. Did Bananaman use a low pressure handload ? My 10 in. TC/ Contender pushes as hard as any .44 mag. Pistol shot.
Love my 41 magnums!!! I have an old Texas Sheriff S&W 57 with a 4" barrel and a Ruger Super Blackhawk Bisley Hunter stainless with a 7.5" barrel and scoped. Good luck and stay safe!!! 😉😉😉
Honestly, you have introduced me to stuff I have never heard of in the most nonchalant fashion. I am certainly not an expert but I never in my life have heard of 41 magnum, and it’s presented as if it’s just as common as .44 magnum. It was the same story for .338 Lapua and 6.5 Grendel, no other gun channel (that I have seen at least) ever mentioned it, and you’re the only one. I love your work, it’s unique from all else I’ve seen. Been a subscriber since about 30k for you, keep up the great work. Much love from Tennessee.
I love 10 mm but to be realistic 44 has a lot more power even with cylinder gap. The problem is that 99% of 10 mm you find out there is loaded down to 40 specs. True 10 mm is pretty damn peppy but I would not say it is even close to 44. Closer to .357.
I Love the simplicity of your videos! Everything that can be done in a home shooting range and Still Leave it up to the Viewers thoughts! Have you ever thought about doing voice overs for media! Your voice is very distinctive yet calming and capturvating!
Firepower is defined as the total amount of energy you can get down range over a set period of time (like a bear or boar charging you)...so, while I love my DE 44 Mag, it just doesn't compare with the firepower of my 10MM Glock 40
10mm is not a magnum round like the others, and unfortunately suffers from manufacturers watering many loads down. Know what you're buying. A proper 10mm delivers around 800ft/lbs. It does approach some 41 magnum performance but not anywhere close to 44 magnum.
10mm is an amazing round and I agree with you, but note that he did use a full power 10mm. It tends to be watered down because most people prefer the lower recoil and those rounds sell better as a result.
@@knurlgnar24 I wasn't referring to the video, rather the argument between 10mm and others. Some overhype the round while others claim it's no better than a .40. Both are somewhat true. I did see his was a full power round. I also took a quick look online and found multiple factory loads reporting 500 ft/lbs or less. Thats the numbers on the box, and we all know those are inflated.
Back in the 1980s, you could call Bullet companies like Speer,Sierra, Nosler and they would send you computer printouts of any caliber, barrel length, and Bullet weight for ballistics and comparison. The .41mag outperforms 44mag and most other pistol caliber cartridges. With the perfect diameter and 170gr -300gr bullets, 41mag, it is still hard to beat as a very manageable handgun or even lever gun caliber
I’ve long heard this “41 mag outperforms 44 mag” thing, but not once have I seen any real evidence for it. It doesn’t stand up to reason, a larger diameter cartridge with more internal volume running at the same pressures is somehow worse? It doesn’t add up
@jacobackley502 Kinetic energy is 1/2MV^2 so the mass of a .41 will be a bit less than the .44 slug, but the velocity will be higher, and velocity in the equation is squared. So in terms of energy, a .41 can outperform a .44. Would there be any meaningful difference on a game animal? I doubt it.
@@thomassuit7450 So you presuppose the 41 to have higher velocity. My point here is that with the wider bore, there’s more surface area on the back of the projectile for gases to act on, so with the same pressure (force over surface area) multiplying against a larger surface area to get total force of the propellant accelerating the projectile is higher for the 44. This means that holding projectile and charge weight as constant (which between the two, it’s not constant, the 44 has higher bullet weight AND charge weight), then the 44 would still be more powerful. It will send a larger projectile faster than the 41, there’s not really any way around it
@@jacobackley502 Yes, that is correct. My point was for cases where the bullet weight was not the same. This was something the original developer stated. But Wait! .44 is only .03 of an inch bigger than .41. That extra surface area around the sides of the slug creates a huuuuuge amount of extra drag going against the inside of the barrel. ;-)
The reason they say 10mm is similar to .357 mag is because it was being compared to what Law Enforcement was using (ammunition) in their service revolvers in the 1980s. So, if you were a cop in the late 1980s and you switched from .357 to 10mm, you would get similar performance ballistically, with more than double the capacity. I only heard one guy compare 10mm to .41 mag, I think he just meant diameter since 10mm is also .40 cal
Also if you look at hotter ammo choices both 10 and 357 are fairly close to each other energy wise. Now if you reload that’s where 357 really shines because of case capacity.
I don't know if it's true since most comparison videos don't test all ammo, but from comparisons I see it seems like 10mm is more comparable to 357 magnum out of a pistol. Even if the results are still undefined, it's nice to have double the capacity for 10mm in a Glock than 6 rounds in a revolver. But magnum rounds see a pretty substantial performance boost out of a rifle. As with all calibers, there is always some compromise and some specific use case that makes one preferrable to the other in all the various situations.
The water jug destruction is more a velocity test. The XTP bullets are designed for controlled expansion in gel equivalents of human torso. None of the handgun calibers will do much to the steel plate. To test the effect use 3/16ths and MDF instead of plywood. If you want a cheap penetration test use 2x1gallon jugs, 3/16ths steel, and 2x1 gallons.
my Taurus tracker 44mag 4in barrel with 3in rifling, last inch is gas port and chamber. my normal deer hunting/self defense load is 180gr xtp 13.5gr longshot powder 1352 fps with 731 ft/lb energy . my black bear/ boar load if necessary 240gr xtp longshot 11.5 gr 1125 fps /674 ft/ lb or gc 240gr hardcast flat face. papa wishing you well 😊
That's a good test. ❤ Highly scientific. I'm very impressed with the 10mm. That's why it has been my EDC for the last 2 years. Keep up the great work Double B. 🎈🥳🎈
*Suggestions for the splatter test* Could you add a clear tube to the top of the jug and judge the height the water gets in the tube? Add dye to the water to make it more vibrant? Or just switch to soda jugs and call it The Tribute
I watch all your videos and I understand the splash test but unless you switch the 6in of sand to 3in/4in of sand just to see what will happen but if you just don't want to deal with the sand anymore it's fine but if you could please freeze the water gallons first so you get not just a more accurate spread pattern but it'll be more explosive, entertaining and easier to measure. I will continue to enjoy watching either way but watching ice explode vs water is more entertaining. Thanks for listening to me and continue to stay safe.
Great comparison video... 3 of my favorite calibers! BTW, what model Timney trigger is that you're using on the G40? I haven't checked their website in a while, but last I heard they weren't offering their Glock triggers for Large Frame Glocks. Glad the hear it's available as I'd love to try one in my G40.
If a handgun round has to penetrate 5" of wood, chances are very good if will not have enough velocity to penetrate deep into a bear. The other much more important issue is how many rounds can you fire and hit center mass on a charging bear ? Depends on your skill, amount of practice, distance and the recoil of the handgun in question, all which affect the speed of follow up shots. No right or wrong answer because everyone is different.
I have a .44 Mag DE, a Glock 21 that I have a 10mm conversion for, and a S&W .41 Mag. The problem with the .41 Mag is the ammo selection. The Hornady .41 load even seems to be meant for rifles. Of course, a 4” barrel on a magnum is never going to adequately represent what it can do. Because .44 and .41 don’t need to cycle an action in most guns chambered for them, they are often loaded light. But when you’re shooting a Desert Eagle, you’ll notice that most factory .44 doesn’t cycle it very well; you have to get defense rounds to do the trick. Sig V-Crowns used to have a .44 Mag offering, and those cycled my DE very reliably. I have noticed that plenty of 10mm range ammo is not full-power, but they tend to be closer to what full-power loads are than you get from factory revolver rounds. In any case I don’t know of very many situations where any of these rounds won’t do what you need them to do so long as you’ve chosen the right load and the right gun.
Thank you for finally doing my beloved .41mag, you should try some of the Buffalo bore 265gr hard cast, I ended up buying the mold so I could roll my own.
One obvious difference was the muzzle rise of the 10mm vs. the .41 and .44; it was far less, and back on target more quickly thanks to the return forward momentum of the slide - as applies to any automatic cartridge - bringing the muzzle back down when it slams to a stop. That is what makes follow-up shots so much faster with an automatic - completely apart from the effect of the single-action trigger vs. a double-action revolver. Only a very experienced revolver shooter has any hope of matching the rapid-fire capability of a semi-auto when firing a revolver, and it takes a strong grip to do so - at least in part because of the revolver's inferior grip ergonomics. When added to the vastly higher magazine capacity of the semi-auto compared with the revolver's cylinder limits, AND the rapid reload capability of a semi-auto compared to even using a speed loader with a revolver, the semi-auto wins hands down. Maybe that explains why NO modern military issues revolvers to troops in the 21st century. You'd be far more well-prepared against a charging pig - 2- or 4-legged - with the 10mm than even the .44 Magnum cannon.
still taking the 10mm, had the same initial wound channel as the 44, but most of the extra energy from the 44 just went to more penetration, which after a certain point makes no difference because it becomes overpenetration. additionally, 10mm is more common these days and significantly cheaper, even if its in the form of softer loads. and being a semi automatic cartridge, you get significantly higher capacity and fire rate over revolvers, yielding a higher damage potential per load. with many 10mm pistols carrying 15+ rounds compared to the 44s meager 6 round average. and the 41 magnum is one of those rounds that almost an online shopping excusive, you will almost never find it on the shelf of the average gun store, maybe a gun show if you're lucky
The original 10mm full house load. Is exactly the same power as 41 mag. But for some reason the modern factory load load is at or slightly more power than 40 s and w.
@@LBrawn federal is the worst offender about that, if you look at the numbers on the box it's barely over 1k fps, it's should be over 1200 fps for a proper 10mm load, and the bastards still charge nearly 10 bucks more a box for it compared to other brands like s&b or magtech
@@LBrawn No it’s not. A full load 220 grain hard cast 10mm will produce around 700 ft lbs of energy. The 230 grain 41 Mag is around 1075 ft lbs of energy. A full load of 44 Mag that fires a 340 grain hard cast will carry over 1,500 ft lbs of energy. Everyone wants to talk about the 10mm full load and compare that with the .41’s and the 44’s target loads. If that’s the case, then yes, they are comparable. When all three are maxed out, you see the .44 doubles that of the 10mm. I have two 10’s, and I love them both (rock island 1911 and Glock 29). So I’m not trashing the 10mm. It’s a terrific cartridge. But it has not, will not, ever be comparable the two magnum revolver cartridges when it comes to energy and power. The numbers don’t lie.
Apparently the factory 10mm loads are reduced quite a bit from how they were originally. The ammunition manufacturers reduced the loads due to the heavy recoil of the original loads. It would be interesting to test original load specs to current load specs.
Both the 41 and the 44 can muster over 1000 foot pounds of energy. The 10mm can achieve the same energy as the 357. If you do not believe it to the so, just calculate the energy that you can get from the max velocities with a simple formula: Square the velocity of the projectile and Multiply by the weight of the bullet in grains and the Divide by 450240 and VOILA, you have the energy in foot pounds.
My first magnum was the 41 6". Carried it for years. I should have bought the 4". Also had the 8 3/8 . I did not keep it long. I preferred EDCing my 41 over a 357 Python. The 10 is no slouch. I would go 10 mm if I had to chose today
I got no dog in the fight, but that 41 seemed a bit tame compared to other reviews. all 3 are serious cartridges, and a 44 is just MORE. I think the 41 mag vs 10mm loads become a big factor.
The biggest thing about these comparisons are when the 10mm was released, and today. back in the 80's with the powders and projectiles available at the time, the 10mm and .44 mag were comparable. with todays modern loads, the 10mm and .41 mag are comparable with the .44 mag coming out ahead. The same can be said about 9mm vs .45 acp in the 80's with what they had available .45 acp was doing better for most of the tests, today the premium rounds for both function roughly the same, so most people with go with a 9mm for more rounds in the mag.
From what I understand when just looking at the numbers, 10mm is closer to being equivalent to 357 magnum. Still not a slouch, but 44 is stretching it.
@@jasonlommen4769 Don't get me wrong, 10mm is my favorite carry caliber because of its versatility, but all the same it is important to be reasonable about recognizing limitations.
I'm stoked to see tests on the .400 Legend. I think they are marketing it all wrong. They should be calling it 10mm Ultra Magnum. Real shame the AR15 rifles and 20-30rd mags haven't materialized yet. The Turkey's Opinion did some tests with custom 165gr solid loads that were smacking 2700f/s and over 2800ft/lbs from a 16", meaner than anything in an AR15 footprint that can fit doublestacked for high capacity mags, more energy than a bunch of AR.308 footprint loadings using longer barrels. The .400 Legend is the ultimate QCB under 300yrd AR15 combat round, in my opinion...if the rifles, mags and loadings existed.
.40 cal. 165 grain bullets?! Why?! What happened to sectional density and ballistic coefficient if the said bullet is supposed to be fired at 200-300 yards?
10mm was developed because the FBI was looking for more power than the 9mm. There was a shootout in Florida back in the 80's involving bank robbers and the FBI. Granted the bank robbers wore homemade body armor but the FBI issued 9mm did absolutely nothing to stop those guys. When the FBI tested and reviewed the 10mm, it proved too powerful for most of their weak wristed agents, so it was dropped. Thank.God for Colt to develop the Delta Elite. Dornaus and Dixon who made the first guns chambered in 10mm fell onto bad times due to production numbers and bad magazines. The 10mm is a Great cartridge adept to many tasks. I am glad to see it continue to gain favor among many shooters and collectors.
Propper way to carry, minimum of two, always have a good back up, and a third just in case 😂 , my EDC is a Glock 33 gen3 and a 327 magnum pocket carry or OWB and a 709 or 740 slim IWB or pocket carry holster 👍
It's going to lose, but it absolutely should be compared/contrasted. They get cross shopped, and used for similar purposes. The 10 will usually win the capacity/ease of shooting argument, but it is good to see the numbers and physical evidence of what you are giving up when you with one over the other.
It does compare to 357 mag but 41 mag when properly loaded beats 10mm and it’s not a question. Assuming banana ballistics was using Hornady ammo , for whatever reason Hornady really down loads revolver rounds 357 and 41 really show it too because they rate those rounds with 8 and 10 inch barrels which is unrealistic. 125 grain out of a 4 inch should be 1450 fps minimum. Hornady has to use a 8 inch to achieve 1450-1500
10mm can make "LOW END" 41 mag numbers, which is impressive for an auto-loader. The 41. mag gives you five, or six rounds. The 10mm gives you 15 rounds or more, and you can rattle off 6 rounds per second, into a paper plate sized target at 25 yards.
I find the 10mm to be similar to .357 Magnum, in energy on target. Not all 10mm are created equal; black talons are, or were subsonic, .357 is loaded to lower pressures since the 60’s.
I do love my 10 mm "System" and do not believe that it even approaches the power of a 44 Mag. I am also a former big game hunter and wish to tell you that using either for bears is an absolute last resort. Having taken a Kodiak Grizzly with a 300 Win Magnum with approximately 3000 foot pounds of energy from about 95 feet and watching him running 200 yards with no heart is what made me decide to trade in my rifles for a camera. If I had to use ANY pistol in that hunt I would not be here today.
@@Edras03 Definitely was terrifying he weight an estimated 1000 pounds and was over 10 feet tall, also ran at an estimated 25+ MPH while I can't hardly run at all.
@@timt8029 The Kodiak are the largest Grizzlies by far still, smaller than the Polar bear, the one I was allowed to harvest helped feed a village on the coast of the Bering sea for a whole winter. The estimates I mentioned are those of the professional guide who helped me right before the bear got to us by blowing a whistle (like a football referee) which caused him to stop and stand up allowing me to accurately place the shot. Without that "trick" I may not be with you now. He was so damn quick I could not find a reasonable shot and would have to take my best which could possible have just pissed him off. One other thing about bears, they usually do not kill their prey, they just eat you to death-fun!
@@steventrostle1825 I've heard that black bears will run when wounded but grizzlies will come at you.. Glad you made it. If I had to pack a handgun in Kodiak country, would probably be my .475 Linebaugh. I have heard that when they run at you it's alarmingly fast.
I have never had a 10mm but i do own a S&W .44mag model 29 with a 11" barrel and a Springfield XDm. 40cal and a S&W Sub nose .38cal 5 shot with 2" barrel. They all do me fine.
41 mag was the 1st handgun i ever shot at 9yo. It almost knocked me on my butt and thought i jave got to get me one of these. I got my dream s&w with 6" barrel, ended up scoping it and its my favorite hunting gun.
I uploaded this video before I heard the news, but RIP to Paul Harrell. He and his work will be an inspiration for many years to come, and he will be missed.
Amen.
Paul is how I found your channel 😢
@@lorneiggulden7123how? Did they do a video together?
I followed Paul for several years and was my favorite shootist and will miss his professionalism. I ran across your channel awhile back and enjoy your content so you have some big shoes to fill. I noticed your reloading equipment have you ever thought about some reloading content ?
@bananaballistics - you actually have a lot in common with Paul. Obviously, your senses of humor are quite different, but Paul always tried to take a scientific approach to his comparisons. I see a lot of that same tactic in your videos. Thanks for keeping up the testing, as it never gets old. Godspeed to Paul, and good luck to you in the future.
10mm is great for when you want a decent amount of power, _and the ability to carry more than six rounds._
I like the 10mm for the combination of power and ballistic performance. It is a good all around caliber, especially with a pretty flat trajectory.
@@bdr32965 flat trajectory? Its pistol. Even if ya shoot it 50 yds most handgun usage at 30 ft or less. We like to shoot 55 gallon barrels @ 200 yds with 45&44 mag.
I Still Would Love The First Smith and Wesson 610 Revolver series!!!
For those unfamiliar with the 41 Mag, the way I understand it, is that back in the day when most police agencies were carrying 38/357 revolvers, they were wanting something with a little more "ooomph" but were wary of the 44 Mag recoil. The 41 was developed to bridge the gap between the 357 and 44 mags. Unfortunately, the 41 required the larger frame as the 44 which negated some of the benefits of a larger caliber for service duty. Since 357 and 44 ammunition was more readily available, the 41 never caught on with most handgunners.
If Dirty Harry had carried a .41 Mag, things would be much different.
@@DirkDiggler6903 funny you should say that because that’s what Clint was using for the filming
@@lkj0822g my S&W model 57 was my brothers service revolver in the early 70’s
You’re correct for the reason it was developed. But it was too close to the .44. Larger pistol with near the same recoil as the .44. When it came out it was better than the .357, but you get the .44 for little more penalty in recoil.
If I remember the .41 magnum was created by 2 famous gun guys and was supposed to be much softer shooting, but the ammo manufactures thought the ammo needed to be hotter to sell and it ruined the whole idea behind the .41 magnum. The later idea behind the .40s and 10mm were inspired by the original .41 magnum idea, but again in the case of the 10mm it became hotter when ammo manufactures loaded it hotter to sell more.
eagerly waiting for the 22LR vs 10mm video
@@BusinessmanDelmar LMAO
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10mm vs .223 would be a good video. I assume you just rounded off the .003''. Hardly makes a difference really.
@@knurlgnar24 he was making a joke, it was no rounding error… 😂😅
Go to your room, mister.
I'm a 40-year .41 mag owner. Bullet selection is the key to the caliber. This round has been under loaded since cops freaked out at the recoil in the 1950s. Loaded down and stuffed with cheap-o bullets, which is where the "10 mm is equivalent to a .41 magnum" comparison nonsense came from. Forget major makers and anything with a lead-core & hollow-point if you're hunting. For hogs (or deer) go straight to Buffalo Bore: 230 grains, Hard Cast Semi-Wadcutter, Muzzle Velocity 1,450 FPS, Muzzle Energy 1,074 FT LBS. Now you've got a .41 magnum.
..... and the bleeding heart liberals said, " you could kill someone with something like THAT" !
Agreed. .41 mag can easily hold it's own against the .44 mag, with all but the heaviest bullets. And it has a much flatter trajectory. Handloading is the key. Not "Reloading",,, Handloading.
There's a difference. Reloading is simply copying some form of factory spec cartridge. Handloading is optimizing your loads for a specific firearm. Best accuracy is most important to me. Power, or economy may be your thing. There are no wrong answers, as long as you're Safe. Factory loads offered, SUCK. their biggest mistake,, was not offering a ".41 Special" for children and women to shoot. By sharing the same case, people could easily mix up lower powered rounds, with the Full on Magnums, scaring the crap out of anyone not expecting it. My biggest gun regret, is selling my flat top old model Ruger Blackhawk, in .41 Mag.
@@RoysFineGems Children, women and the FBI. "Look ma! No Hands! I reloaded my brass but without using my hands." I still hunt with my Blackhawk...with a 2x Leupold scope on top. And that's pronounced "Loo-pold" not "Leo-pold," as so many are apt to do. GEESE! One Bugs Bunny cartoon short, and everyone thinks Markus Friedrich Leupold was a musical orchestra conductor. ruclips.net/video/dIC1h86i7BE/видео.html
@@lawrenceallen8096 for .41 magnum, I have a 14" Contender barrel with 1.5-3.5 Weaver. Due to grip angle, the Contender puts the recoil strait back, with very little "pivot". Felt recoil is much less in my Super Blackhawk, with full power .44 magnum loads. The plow handle grip allowes the gun to pivot. Of course owning one, you know exactly what I mean. I remember in the Early 80s, shooting that blackhawk, all the time. Spitting out as many as a hundred or more in a single session. I've never been able to fire more than 20 at a time with the contender. And even firing just a few, I feel it in my wrist and elbow, for the next few days. I've got several barrels for it. My favorite is an 18" 30-30 barrel. With the hottest loads I dare shoot,, it's recoil is not as severe as the .41 Not being limited to flat point or round point bullets, it takes a "good" old cartridge, and turns it into a little race pony. But I will always miss that Blackhawk. Cheers friend!
@@RoysFineGems Yep. The old "hog leg" design of single actions did have a purpose. When you get good the gun rolls back up, and you cock the hammer simultaneously while you roll it back down into shooting position. I don't claim to have mastered that skill. Also, with the scope, it's not practical... which is more about just being precise on target the first time. I also hunted with a Thompson Contender (Iron sights), 30-30... a friend's. Nice rig. Good deep woods deer tool. CHEERS, back at ya.
I'm really glad you put in the 41 mag, it's a great one that doesn't get mentioned often.
I just love the fact that you shoot... ordinary. You're not some range master who hits center each and every time. You vary, you miss, but you often hit spot on.
"I should red dot all my guns"
Toilet man, "or just learn to shoot better " love toilet man!
-me with a Romeo 5 on my NES Zapper...
"Toilet man" has a name.
He is Plantain Plinker.
A Plantain is a fruit that is similar to a banana.
So that's what they call toilet humour?
I like iron all the way.. sleek and trim , like my woman ,,😊
Switch the splatter test to clay.
I like that better than the current splatter test.
Good idea
Second this
Agreed… shooting wet clay makes such cool and visually pleasing shapes. Long been one of my favorite demos. The box of sand is another snoozer that could be replaced with this.
@@ArmchairDeity Did you even watch the video? The splatter test replaced the box of sand...
I’ve heard a lot of people claim that 10 is like the king of all rounds. 41 mag and 44 mag out of closed chamber builds a lot more pressure than the revolvers, got to get a carbine in 44 and 41. You will be surprised how nice a 16 inch barrel is with a 44. I have a 44 mag level action and absolutely love it
Agreed about the 44 mag lever action. Its great for deer hunting in places where they only allow straight walled cartridges.
I swear the Henry Big Boy .44 is one of the most painful rifles I've ever shot
@@adabsurdum5905 like...recoil wise?
I got into 10mm in the late 90’s. There were all kinds of exaggerations about it back then, and now two, I suppose.
@@Grooove_e I recently bought one made by Rossi, because I couldn't find a Henry at the time, but I haven't yet had the opportunity to take it out and shoot it. What kind of range can you expect with it?
Another fun video. You are right about Paul, he will be missed, RIP...
I love my 41 mag handguns as well. Handloading is fun and easy with this caliber. I had a Desert Eagle in 41 with an alloy frame...super-rare, but not nearly as much fun to shoot as a S&W 57 or Ruger Blackhawk! That round is made for big wheelguns. Great video: Paul would have approved!
Id like to see a 454 vs 50 ae test . Haven't seen one on any guntuber video
I hunted deer & Elk with a 10” Super Blackhawk in Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico for 3+ decades. The muzzle velocity was pretty snappy and noticeably faster than the shorter .44 magnums. Too many years have passed to be certain , but I believe we were seeing 15% + higher velocities from the 10” model. Then again, they say memory is the second thing to go, and I can’t remember the first…. Oh BTW, I had 250 .44 special brass for reloading. I used .44 special almost exclusively for target shooting. I always used .44 mag. for pistol silhouette shooting.
You might consider trying the Taofledermaus patented lead plate as a target. It shows really good splatter patterns and on rare occasions certain projectiles go all the way through.
I don’t know what brand of ammo you’re using for the .41 magnum but it is very weak.
4:08 There is Terry just clowning around as usual! Taking up space and time!
I’ve been really worried about Terry’s scoliosis lately.
In 10mm Try using 180 grain Underwoon XTP bullets for a real penitration comparison in Gel. Pete.
Yes, use heavy hardcast lead bullets for deep penetration.
Or their 200 grain hardcast.
That's a pretty anemic load for the .41 Mag (1128 fps). I get around 1400 fps with a published handload using H110/W296 out of a 6.5" Ruger Blackhawk. It goes around 1700 fps out of my Marlin lever action.
Exactly what I was saying. That load he used is extremely weak.
I have the exact same setup. Love them both.
All the .41 mag. Slugs that I have shot are 1250 fps. or greater. Did Bananaman use a low pressure handload ? My 10 in. TC/ Contender pushes as hard as any .44 mag. Pistol shot.
Love my 41 magnums!!! I have an old Texas Sheriff S&W 57 with a 4" barrel and a Ruger Super Blackhawk Bisley Hunter stainless with a 7.5" barrel and scoped. Good luck and stay safe!!! 😉😉😉
I love my S&W model 57. It was my brothers service revolver in the early 70’s in Amarillo Texas
Honestly, you have introduced me to stuff I have never heard of in the most nonchalant fashion. I am certainly not an expert but I never in my life have heard of 41 magnum, and it’s presented as if it’s just as common as .44 magnum. It was the same story for .338 Lapua and 6.5 Grendel, no other gun channel (that I have seen at least) ever mentioned it, and you’re the only one.
I love your work, it’s unique from all else I’ve seen. Been a subscriber since about 30k for you, keep up the great work. Much love from Tennessee.
I've shot a 338 Lapua magnum ever since Beretta USA became the importer of Sako rifles. That's close to 20 years.
@@indigomer Kentucky ballistics has a video with the .41 Magnum
I saw my first. .41 Mag. in 1964 at age 10 y/o.
In 1984 I purchased my first one !
You can see that 44 mag bullet flying to the target too! Great shots with the video!
RIP Paul.
Another amazing video slick quick and action packed. Love the channel man.
I love 10 mm but to be realistic 44 has a lot more power even with cylinder gap. The problem is that 99% of 10 mm you find out there is loaded down to 40 specs. True 10 mm is pretty damn peppy but I would not say it is even close to 44. Closer to .357.
And let's face it they are All just hole punchers. If you don't have any accuracy, it's a moot point.
I Love the simplicity of your videos! Everything that can be done in a home shooting range and Still Leave it up to the Viewers thoughts!
Have you ever thought about doing voice overs for media! Your voice is very distinctive yet calming and capturvating!
Firepower is defined as the total amount of energy you can get down range over a set period of time (like a bear or boar charging you)...so, while I love my DE 44 Mag, it just doesn't compare with the firepower of my 10MM Glock 40
Exactly. I agree 100%
What a joke.
Aw the 41 magnum, my favorite handgun cartridge.
The 10mm Ammo you buy off the shelf isn't full power 10mm. You gotta order it from places like double tap to get the real full power 10mm.
He was also comparing 210 grain bullets in the .41 to 155 grainers in the 10mm
Double tap, underwood, buffalo bore, S&B are some of my favorites
This reminds me how much I love XTP bullets.
Nothing like a little bit of smooth elevator jazz in the background mix with my morning large caliber pistol performance comparisons...
10mm is not a magnum round like the others, and unfortunately suffers from manufacturers watering many loads down. Know what you're buying. A proper 10mm delivers around 800ft/lbs. It does approach some 41 magnum performance but not anywhere close to 44 magnum.
10mm is an amazing round and I agree with you, but note that he did use a full power 10mm. It tends to be watered down because most people prefer the lower recoil and those rounds sell better as a result.
@@knurlgnar24 I wasn't referring to the video, rather the argument between 10mm and others. Some overhype the round while others claim it's no better than a .40. Both are somewhat true.
I did see his was a full power round. I also took a quick look online and found multiple factory loads reporting 500 ft/lbs or less. Thats the numbers on the box, and we all know those are inflated.
Awesome comparison. All three great cartridges. 👍
Thanks for the tip - I got an order of ammo from Midway and they rocked!
My man is rocking a beautiful 657 Mountain Gun!
Back in the 1980s, you could call Bullet companies like Speer,Sierra, Nosler and they would send you computer printouts of any caliber, barrel length, and Bullet weight for ballistics and comparison. The .41mag outperforms 44mag and most other pistol caliber cartridges. With the perfect diameter and 170gr -300gr bullets, 41mag, it is still hard to beat as a very manageable handgun or even lever gun caliber
I’ve long heard this “41 mag outperforms 44 mag” thing, but not once have I seen any real evidence for it. It doesn’t stand up to reason, a larger diameter cartridge with more internal volume running at the same pressures is somehow worse? It doesn’t add up
Absolutely !
@jacobackley502 Kinetic energy is 1/2MV^2 so the mass of a .41 will be a bit less than the .44 slug, but the velocity will be higher, and velocity in the equation is squared. So in terms of energy, a .41 can outperform a .44.
Would there be any meaningful difference on a game animal? I doubt it.
@@thomassuit7450 So you presuppose the 41 to have higher velocity. My point here is that with the wider bore, there’s more surface area on the back of the projectile for gases to act on, so with the same pressure (force over surface area) multiplying against a larger surface area to get total force of the propellant accelerating the projectile is higher for the 44. This means that holding projectile and charge weight as constant (which between the two, it’s not constant, the 44 has higher bullet weight AND charge weight), then the 44 would still be more powerful. It will send a larger projectile faster than the 41, there’s not really any way around it
@@jacobackley502 Yes, that is correct. My point was for cases where the bullet weight was not the same. This was something the original developer stated.
But Wait! .44 is only .03 of an inch bigger than .41. That extra surface area around the sides of the slug creates a huuuuuge amount of extra drag going against the inside of the barrel. ;-)
Awesome channel. Keep up the great work 👍🏻
The reason they say 10mm is similar to .357 mag is because it was being compared to what Law Enforcement was using (ammunition) in their service revolvers in the 1980s. So, if you were a cop in the late 1980s and you switched from .357 to 10mm, you would get similar performance ballistically, with more than double the capacity. I only heard one guy compare 10mm to .41 mag, I think he just meant diameter since 10mm is also .40 cal
Also if you look at hotter ammo choices both 10 and 357 are fairly close to each other energy wise. Now if you reload that’s where 357 really shines because of case capacity.
@usa-rb5fi Exactly, we're talking personal defense ammo vs (full house) loaded for bear ammo. And, cops don't walk around "loaded for bear".
I don't know if it's true since most comparison videos don't test all ammo, but from comparisons I see it seems like 10mm is more comparable to 357 magnum out of a pistol. Even if the results are still undefined, it's nice to have double the capacity for 10mm in a Glock than 6 rounds in a revolver.
But magnum rounds see a pretty substantial performance boost out of a rifle.
As with all calibers, there is always some compromise and some specific use case that makes one preferrable to the other in all the various situations.
The water jug destruction is more a velocity test. The XTP bullets are designed for controlled expansion in gel equivalents of human torso. None of the handgun calibers will do much to the steel plate. To test the effect use 3/16ths and MDF instead of plywood. If you want a cheap penetration test use 2x1gallon jugs, 3/16ths steel, and 2x1 gallons.
Would absolutely love to see this repeated with carbine length barrels.
A Hi-point carbine in 10mm vs 2 lever guns
.41 mag is soooo good. I wish it was more popular. But, well...Dirty Harry happened.
Great video..I really enjoyed it..u have a great channel..keep em coming brother
I'm stoked you did the 41 mag. I might not ever buy one, but 41 mag will always have a place in my heart.
I absolutely love my S&W model 57.
my Taurus tracker 44mag 4in barrel with 3in rifling, last inch is gas port and chamber. my normal deer hunting/self defense load is 180gr xtp 13.5gr longshot powder 1352 fps with 731 ft/lb energy . my black bear/ boar load if necessary 240gr xtp longshot 11.5 gr 1125 fps /674 ft/ lb or gc 240gr hardcast flat face. papa wishing you well 😊
That's a good test. ❤ Highly scientific.
I'm very impressed with the 10mm. That's why it has been my EDC for the last 2 years.
Keep up the great work Double B. 🎈🥳🎈
I don’t know why, but I just love your delivery style.
*Suggestions for the splatter test*
Could you add a clear tube to the top of the jug and judge the height the water gets in the tube?
Add dye to the water to make it more vibrant? Or just switch to soda jugs and call it The Tribute
10mm will compare to a .41 I've heard many times, but never heard anyone claim it can hold to a .44 mag
Great video as always I want to see the 10 mm vs the 357 Magnum... And also I would love to see the 45,/70 vs the 444...
WhoteeWho just released a clay block comparison between the 4570 & the 444 a few days back.
@@peternorton5648 thank you
I watch all your videos and I understand the splash test but unless you switch the 6in of sand to 3in/4in of sand just to see what will happen but if you just don't want to deal with the sand anymore it's fine but if you could please freeze the water gallons first so you get not just a more accurate spread pattern but it'll be more explosive, entertaining and easier to measure. I will continue to enjoy watching either way but watching ice explode vs water is more entertaining. Thanks for listening to me and continue to stay safe.
Great comparison video... 3 of my favorite calibers! BTW, what model Timney trigger is that you're using on the G40? I haven't checked their website in a while, but last I heard they weren't offering their Glock triggers for Large Frame Glocks. Glad the hear it's available as I'd love to try one in my G40.
Case capacity is king. Don’t let anyone convince you otherwise.
Nice guns. Happy to say that I’m content with my sw mp 2.0 performance center 10 mm. Thank you for your reviews.”👍”
If a handgun round has to penetrate 5" of wood, chances are very good if will not have enough velocity to penetrate deep into a bear. The other much more important issue is how many rounds can you fire and hit center mass on a charging bear ? Depends on your skill, amount of practice, distance and the recoil of the handgun in question, all which affect the speed of follow up shots. No right or wrong answer because everyone is different.
Would love to see a comparison between .357 mag and .45 LC.
love the vids, not a fan of splatter test,
I always enjoy your videos. Keep it up, and please say "hello" to Terry. 😆👍👍👍
Wonder the difference between 41AE and 41 magnum
I have a .44 Mag DE, a Glock 21 that I have a 10mm conversion for, and a S&W .41 Mag. The problem with the .41 Mag is the ammo selection. The Hornady .41 load even seems to be meant for rifles. Of course, a 4” barrel on a magnum is never going to adequately represent what it can do.
Because .44 and .41 don’t need to cycle an action in most guns chambered for them, they are often loaded light. But when you’re shooting a Desert Eagle, you’ll notice that most factory .44 doesn’t cycle it very well; you have to get defense rounds to do the trick. Sig V-Crowns used to have a .44 Mag offering, and those cycled my DE very reliably.
I have noticed that plenty of 10mm range ammo is not full-power, but they tend to be closer to what full-power loads are than you get from factory revolver rounds.
In any case I don’t know of very many situations where any of these rounds won’t do what you need them to do so long as you’ve chosen the right load and the right gun.
Thank you for finally doing my beloved .41mag, you should try some of the Buffalo bore 265gr hard cast, I ended up buying the mold so I could roll my own.
One obvious difference was the muzzle rise of the 10mm vs. the .41 and .44; it was far less, and back on target more quickly thanks to the return forward momentum of the slide - as applies to any automatic cartridge - bringing the muzzle back down when it slams to a stop.
That is what makes follow-up shots so much faster with an automatic - completely apart from the effect of the single-action trigger vs. a double-action revolver. Only a very experienced revolver shooter has any hope of matching the rapid-fire capability of a semi-auto when firing a revolver, and it takes a strong grip to do so - at least in part because of the revolver's inferior grip ergonomics.
When added to the vastly higher magazine capacity of the semi-auto compared with the revolver's cylinder limits, AND the rapid reload capability of a semi-auto compared to even using a speed loader with a revolver, the semi-auto wins hands down. Maybe that explains why NO modern military issues revolvers to troops in the 21st century.
You'd be far more well-prepared against a charging pig - 2- or 4-legged - with the 10mm than even the .44 Magnum cannon.
Total bullshit post.
No comparison in the gel. Magnums mopped the floor with the 10 mm. Crazy penetration.
still taking the 10mm, had the same initial wound channel as the 44, but most of the extra energy from the 44 just went to more penetration, which after a certain point makes no difference because it becomes overpenetration. additionally, 10mm is more common these days and significantly cheaper, even if its in the form of softer loads. and being a semi automatic cartridge, you get significantly higher capacity and fire rate over revolvers, yielding a higher damage potential per load. with many 10mm pistols carrying 15+ rounds compared to the 44s meager 6 round average. and the 41 magnum is one of those rounds that almost an online shopping excusive, you will almost never find it on the shelf of the average gun store, maybe a gun show if you're lucky
The original 10mm full house load. Is exactly the same power as 41 mag. But for some reason the modern factory load load is at or slightly more power than 40 s and w.
@@LBrawn federal is the worst offender about that, if you look at the numbers on the box it's barely over 1k fps, it's should be over 1200 fps for a proper 10mm load, and the bastards still charge nearly 10 bucks more a box for it compared to other brands like s&b or magtech
@@LBrawn
No it’s not. A full load 220 grain hard cast 10mm will produce around 700 ft lbs of energy. The 230 grain 41 Mag is around 1075 ft lbs of energy. A full load of 44 Mag that fires a 340 grain hard cast will carry over 1,500 ft lbs of energy.
Everyone wants to talk about the 10mm full load and compare that with the .41’s and the 44’s target loads. If that’s the case, then yes, they are comparable. When all three are maxed out, you see the .44 doubles that of the 10mm.
I have two 10’s, and I love them both (rock island 1911 and Glock 29). So I’m not trashing the 10mm. It’s a terrific cartridge. But it has not, will not, ever be comparable the two magnum revolver cartridges when it comes to energy and power. The numbers don’t lie.
Apparently the factory 10mm loads are reduced quite a bit from how they were originally. The ammunition manufacturers reduced the loads due to the heavy recoil of the original loads. It would be interesting to test original load specs to current load specs.
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Both the 41 and the 44 can muster over 1000 foot pounds of energy. The 10mm can achieve the same energy as the 357. If you do not believe it to the so, just calculate the energy that you can get from the max velocities with a simple formula: Square the velocity of the projectile and Multiply by the weight of the bullet in grains and the Divide by 450240 and VOILA, you have the energy in foot pounds.
Thanks, man.
I think the 10 mm did better than expexted agaist some much bigger competition.
My first magnum was the 41 6". Carried it for years. I should have bought the 4". Also had the 8 3/8 . I did not keep it long. I preferred EDCing my 41 over a 357 Python. The 10 is no slouch. I would go 10 mm if I had to chose today
5:36 love the overdub
I feel confident if I put a coat of white paint on my t shirt it will stop any of these rounds. Other colors, not so much
3 coats would stop the 20mm CWIZ
I have used a 41 mag S&W model 59 for hunting for years, my fav hunting pistol. 180gr hollow points.
I got no dog in the fight, but that 41 seemed a bit tame compared to other reviews. all 3 are serious cartridges, and a 44 is just MORE. I think the 41 mag vs 10mm loads become a big factor.
Gran Torino Clint Eastwood voice fudd banter is great.
Never heard of the 41 mag till today!
How young are you?
You need to tell us more details on the ammo you use. Ammo choice is just as relevant as caliber.
The biggest thing about these comparisons are when the 10mm was released, and today. back in the 80's with the powders and projectiles available at the time, the 10mm and .44 mag were comparable. with todays modern loads, the 10mm and .41 mag are comparable with the .44 mag coming out ahead.
The same can be said about 9mm vs .45 acp in the 80's with what they had available .45 acp was doing better for most of the tests, today the premium rounds for both function roughly the same, so most people with go with a 9mm for more rounds in the mag.
Love the splatter test addition. Maybe add food coloring so the distance is easier to track on camera?
44mag is what i go to.
From what I understand when just looking at the numbers, 10mm is closer to being equivalent to 357 magnum. Still not a slouch, but 44 is stretching it.
10mm is beyond.357. Much more versatile too.
@@jasonlommen4769 Don't get me wrong, 10mm is my favorite carry caliber because of its versatility, but all the same it is important to be reasonable about recognizing limitations.
I own a Smith Mod.57 6 inch and with a 265gr. hard cast wad cutter it will rock your world.
Sled looking great
I'm stoked to see tests on the .400 Legend. I think they are marketing it all wrong. They should be calling it 10mm Ultra Magnum. Real shame the AR15 rifles and 20-30rd mags haven't materialized yet. The Turkey's Opinion did some tests with custom 165gr solid loads that were smacking 2700f/s and over 2800ft/lbs from a 16", meaner than anything in an AR15 footprint that can fit doublestacked for high capacity mags, more energy than a bunch of AR.308 footprint loadings using longer barrels. The .400 Legend is the ultimate QCB under 300yrd AR15 combat round, in my opinion...if the rifles, mags and loadings existed.
.40 cal. 165 grain bullets?! Why?! What happened to sectional density and ballistic coefficient if the said bullet is supposed to be fired at 200-300 yards?
10mm was developed because the FBI was looking for more power than the 9mm. There was a shootout in Florida back in the 80's involving bank robbers and the FBI. Granted the bank robbers wore homemade body armor but the FBI issued 9mm did absolutely nothing to stop those guys. When the FBI tested and reviewed the 10mm, it proved too powerful for most of their weak wristed agents, so it was dropped. Thank.God for Colt to develop the Delta Elite. Dornaus and Dixon who made the first guns chambered in 10mm fell onto bad times due to production numbers and bad magazines. The 10mm is a Great cartridge adept to many tasks. I am glad to see it continue to gain favor among many shooters and collectors.
Propper way to carry, minimum of two, always have a good back up, and a third just in case 😂 , my EDC is a Glock 33 gen3 and a 327 magnum pocket carry or OWB and a 709 or 740 slim IWB or pocket carry holster 👍
Good testing, 😊
10mm has no business being compared to .44mag power wise… .357mag, 41mag yeah we can talk. 44mag, nah
That is until you have a 10mm pcc with 30 round mags.
It's going to lose, but it absolutely should be compared/contrasted. They get cross shopped, and used for similar purposes. The 10 will usually win the capacity/ease of shooting argument, but it is good to see the numbers and physical evidence of what you are giving up when you with one over the other.
I was completely shocked by how anemically loaded to 44 magnum rounds were
Compare it to 41!!!!!????? No way
It does compare to 357 mag but 41 mag when properly loaded beats 10mm and it’s not a question. Assuming banana ballistics was using Hornady ammo , for whatever reason Hornady really down loads revolver rounds 357 and 41 really show it too because they rate those rounds with 8 and 10 inch barrels which is unrealistic. 125 grain out of a 4 inch should be 1450 fps minimum. Hornady has to use a 8 inch to achieve 1450-1500
the splatter test is not that easy to judge
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10mm can make "LOW END" 41 mag numbers, which is impressive for an auto-loader.
The 41. mag gives you five, or six rounds.
The 10mm gives you 15 rounds or more, and you can rattle off 6 rounds per second, into a paper plate sized target at 25 yards.
I find the 10mm to be similar to .357 Magnum, in energy on target. Not all 10mm are created equal; black talons are, or were subsonic, .357 is loaded to lower pressures since the 60’s.
Here's a test method to consider: Place a ballistic gel block behind the water jug to test splatter and penetration post splatter.
I do love my 10 mm "System" and do not believe that it even approaches the power of a 44 Mag. I am also a former big game hunter and wish to tell you that using either for bears is an absolute last resort. Having taken a Kodiak Grizzly with a 300 Win Magnum with approximately 3000 foot pounds of energy from about 95 feet and watching him running 200 yards with no heart is what made me decide to trade in my rifles for a camera. If I had to use ANY pistol in that hunt I would not be here today.
That sounds terrifying, I am glad you lived to tell the tale
@@Edras03 Definitely was terrifying he weight an estimated 1000 pounds and was over 10 feet tall, also ran at an estimated 25+ MPH while I can't hardly run at all.
Wow. 10 feet tall. That is amazing.
@@timt8029 The Kodiak are the largest Grizzlies by far still, smaller than the Polar bear, the one I was allowed to harvest helped feed a village on the coast of the Bering sea for a whole winter. The estimates I mentioned are those of the professional guide who helped me right before the bear got to us by blowing a whistle (like a football referee) which caused him to stop and stand up allowing me to accurately place the shot. Without that "trick" I may not be with you now. He was so damn quick I could not find a reasonable shot and would have to take my best which could possible have just pissed him off. One other thing about bears, they usually do not kill their prey, they just eat you to death-fun!
@@steventrostle1825 I've heard that black bears will run when wounded but grizzlies will come at you.. Glad you made it. If I had to pack a handgun in Kodiak country, would probably be my .475 Linebaugh. I have heard that when they run at you it's alarmingly fast.
That .41 magnum loading is midrange at best. My general practice load pushes a 220 grain cast bullet that speed from a 4” barrel.
Yep, a bit of a limp wristed girly hold on that .44 Mag, lol.
Haha!
“Let’s check the ba….. oooooooohhoohoo!!!!”
Never gets old!
I have never had a 10mm but i do own a S&W .44mag model 29 with a 11" barrel and a Springfield XDm. 40cal and a S&W Sub nose .38cal 5 shot with 2" barrel. They all do me fine.
@bananaballistics, which gun/cartridge felt the best in your hand / while shooting?
I value how much the 10 mm opened up more than the depth into the gel, most of the energy went into creating a larger wound.
44 magnum is a great pistol cartridge.
41 mag was the 1st handgun i ever shot at 9yo. It almost knocked me on my butt and thought i jave got to get me one of these. I got my dream s&w with 6" barrel, ended up scoping it and its my favorite hunting gun.