Well, that's disappointing. I was really hoping to see some competition for the Quest. Hopefully in the near future they will not just market their standalone for business.
Yeah major disappointment. That leaked cloth fitness headset was awesome. I was really hoping that was real. Vive Focus 3 looks cool too but I don't understand who they think there market is for that.
Appreciate you mentioning directly to Vive that you think there's a market for a consumer version of the Focus 3 at a Quest 2 2x price point. I think you're right, and I would definitely buy something like that even at a $800-$900 price point.
@@Nekotaku_TV hopefully u can play with knuckles controllers if u have some base stations, I heard you can use the index controllers with the oculus quest 2 so I'm sure if u were planning on getting the vive focus 3 and were planning on playing it with the index controllers then I'm sure they will have that option to merge those two. Provided that u have some base stations on u for the controllers
It would be really cool but they need to make some solutions for heating and battery. I think 120Hz should be the new standard for VR but this could generate a lot of heat in the long run. The battery swap feature is really cool and I would like to see it in Quest 3.
I upgraded to the Vive Pro 2 from my original Vive, ordering it during the release event. It is an excellent update, comfortable fit and amazing resolution. I detached the ear pieces (the box had plastic covers to protect the contacts thankfully), not because they were bad, but because I use a full ear wireless headset with 7.1 surround and boom mic. I had the controllers / base stations from my old Vive and they work very well. Coming from an original Vive was a huge step up in quality and res. 120 Hz (Varies depending on resolution) / 120 degrees of FOV. You will need a powerful graphics card to run this 5K beast. With a 3090 it is phenomenal.
What I find most impressive about all this is that everyone detests Facebook but they always blow us away so much that we look the other way. HTC is well liked but they literally never fail to disappoint
HTC don't know what their doing. Stick with Quest & PSVR2 ! Between them they will bring proper VR gaming experiences and advanced, seamless VR software.
Facebook doesn't bother me, if I log into my xbox with xbox live it doesn't degrade the platform or give me a lesser experience so logging into Facebook does what in a degrading sense?. its just a means of logging in I don't see the problem. the thing I find contradictory is most people that moan about this have a Facebook account.
I'm not really sure why anyone would buy the full Vive pro 2 kit for $1400 when you can buy the headset from HTC and the base stations and far superior Index controllers from Valve for $1380.
@@ZoKKeRFreAK Not right now, but that's likely due to the chip shortage. Assuming they get their supply lines sorted out that won't be an issue by next year.
@@ZoKKeRFreAK I got mine from a regular online shop for hardware and it's still available. At the vive website it seems available, too. But both prices are at 200 instead of 160€.
@@evolicious there are plenty of games for the quest that could be ported over relatively easily, plus there is wireless PCVR which is a huge selling point in itself.
@@Arsonist00 yeah I agree and how portable it is I can just take it to my friends house and just play with them that's huge for me and it's both pc vr if you have a pc and it's a stand alone so best of both worlds
I have my quest 2 and only use it for pc vr because I like the wireless and inside out tracking ..I would buy focus 3 ..wish we started having 200 fov as the norm tho
The vive pro 2 is what I am interested in. I have the index currently and the bump in resolution seems promising and being able to use my existing trackers and controllers makes it an easy upgrade
@@evolicious I would use my existing index controllers and trackers as I mentioned. The FOV difference is negligible (especially since its not a static 130 on the index) but the resolution is a significant increase. Weight is basically the same on them as well.
@@blindsay still missing out on BMR and comfort. I wouldn't hold my breath for the pro 2 actually being better overall, but would be great as the highest quality wireless HMD.
@@evolicious Comfort is completely subjective and personal, BMR are just fancy over the ear speakers. Audio is much easier to modify to your preference but the screen you cannot change. I had a Rift S for a while which had garbage for audio.
This was the best VR news since the valve index controllers. I love my vive pro, and the index was a no go since it's not wireless. I have 4 quests for my family, but no tracking works as well as the Steam VR system. Vive knocked it out of the park for me, by marrying the best features of the index, with the wireless adapter and increasing the resolution; while eliminating the Screen Door effect. I say Good Job to HTC.
@@Carnyzzle I still don't understand that argument completely. If the quest is essentially a smartphone with a few extra bells and whistles strapped to your face I don't really understand how it's not possible to strip back to the essentials for a comfortable consumer experience but design a product that is modular and has opportunity for future attachments and upgrades. We have the tech to make it cheaper and I still don't buy that Facebook is subsidizing quest 2 revenue with data sales
@Carnyzzle the materials and manufacturing required for the bare minimum of comfort and functionality in a headset would only cost the consumer like $4-500 in order for companies to make a profit without third party bs. Hell Vive could have given us the enterprise device for $8-900 and marketed it as a pro standalone and would have made bank
Fun thing is that Mike literally dropped this video a minute before the "VIVEgone for Bruhsiness" started where these were presented officially for the first time... 2:51 HP Reverb "114" FOV :D 3:56 600 extra bucks for the old Wands (who _wands_ these anymore?) and the base stations, ooofff! 5:58 Finally someone does this. Had the idea a while ago already to have quadrophonic audio in the headstrap for better spatial sourround sound. 6:25 That display will be sick especially for flight simming. And finally we'll have a better FOV without using the Index with just 1600px vertical res or the Pimaxes. But the hardware requirements to run that will sick be as well :D 6:49 That is some awesome feature IMHO. 7:05 I imagine the thing having a regular battery at the front as well, otherwise the hot swapping wouldn't work. And having just the rear one only wouldn't cut it either. 7:37 That's great, so it's clearly not entirely business only. I hope they'll somehow make this thing a consumer headset as well, I mean, basically it would just need to have a store for games on it and wireless link. A stripped down "light" version would be nice as well, but I'd also like to have the _option_ to go for the full thing. Also, when I got that right, the thing isn't locked behind a subscription model and you don't have to own a company to be able to buy the Focus 3 which is a good thing already. Yeah, it's expensive, but I'm sure there are people who would buy it if it could be fully used for gaming.
I just placed Vive Pro 2 on preorder. I have been using the original Vive since it launched. The one thing I didn't know until watching this video was if I needed to buy new bay stations. So glad to know I can use the ones i have, so for me this will be a great upgrade at min cost.
Why in the world are they still using the Vive Wands? I thought we'd moved on from that style. Just look at literally any other current headset, and analog sticks are a must for one.
Love the look of the Focus and yeah, a stripped down version bundled with Vive Port would have been exactly what the market needed right now. Disappointed overall []-(
Sitting through Vive Event: This is boring *Notifications* ‘Everything you NEED TO KNOW about Vive Event’ “I would rather watch my favorite RUclipsr explain it than watch this lady.” *click*
@El Triunfo showing the appreciation for the hardwork of our host here. and showing that he was actually watching the vivecon as well while letting us know he's quite an enthusiast:P
I've been holding out on a PC VR upgrade because I wanted something compatible with the Vive Wireless adapter that I already invested in, however it is important to note that the Pro 2 specs say that the display is limited to 90Hz when using the wireless adapter. Still, might be worth it for the big jump in resolution over the now 5 year old Vive.
@@quagthias According to the main Vive Pro 2 page, the answer is sadly no. Not only is it limited to 90Hz instead of 120Hz, it is 2448x1224 resolution. Somehow lower than the original! It says 3264x1632 support is coming soon but, while slightly higher than the OG Vive Pro, that's still not the full 4896x2448.
@@quagthias It is well hidden. Only the 90Hz bit was on the spec page when I looked. I had to find the resolution bit by scrolling down the main product page where they have all that stuff trying to show off features in a flashy way.
@@sleev1091 unfortunately i live in Australia, so i can’t get an index. I never would have bought the original vive pro if i was able to get an index. I do however have the Etee controllers preordered, so i won’t have to use my vive wands much longer
@@ssj3vegett0 primarily because of warranty issues, and the fact that i can’t spend that amount of money at the moment. Maybe later on though, of my vive pro starts to fall apart even more
@@sleev1091 exactly. for me this makes perfect sense. why would i need controllers from htc, unless they were way better thean the index controllers, which is alomost impossible ;-)
Very disappointing that we still have no competitor for Facebook and Quest, the stand alone market seriously needs it. I would definitely put £500 or so down for a consumer version of the Focus 3
Upgraded to vivepro 2 today and used the promo code which worked perfectly (UK). It's the FOV, refresh rate and 5k that does it for me the build quality on the headset has always been very good. I would have liked the headset to look different. Updated looks will have given a wow factor just for aesthetics and maybe lighter but hey it is what it is. I already have the wireless add on which of course is supposed to work with the new headset. So a 5K wireless headset hmmm I wonder what It will be like. Can't wait! Thanks for the vids Mike 😁
I'm pretty pissed that they're still including the Vive wands with the Vive Pro 2. Those controllers lack the capabilities that Oculus Touch derivative controllers have. They could've made SteamVR versions of the Focus 3 controllers or licensed the Valve Knuckles since they're incuding Base Station 2s anyway. But they didn't. They're still using those tired, lacking controllers. When you're paying that much for the full kit, finger tracking should be a minimum requirement.
@@Some-guy-on-the-internet it makes me wanna puke that they are actually still offering those wands in a bundle. Like I get that they probably have an abundance of unused stock(no one wants them), but they gotta iterate on them or something. It's always one step forward two steps back with them
@@St1ngerGuy it's mind-boggling isn't it? How many chances should we give Vive? They literally have a golden goose of an opportunity to compete with Oculus and they keep mucking it up
Sticking to those Vive wands just feels so dated, HTC loves to make new headsets but they haven't updated their controllers in ages (no the cosmos does not count IMO). Still more viable upgrade paths for valve index or old Vive hmd users isn't a bad thing. I would say that this is more than I expected from their headset announcements, but not by much. The quest definitely needs competitors but I don't think it's going to be HTC anytime in the near future in the standalone market.
delighted to hear that the wireless kit also works with the new vive pro 2. for me, as i already own lighthouse tracking, index controllers and the vive pro wireless kit, the vive pro 2 seems to be the perfect upgrade.. im eager to see the reviews once there out.
I read an article that said the HTC Vive Focus 3 is a DIRECT competitor to the Quest 2 and I was like what is this guy smoking? In order to be a direct competitor to Quest 2 it would need to be priced the same or near the same price as the Quest 2. It looks like the Quest line of VR headsets will continue to be the King of VR headsets for the average consumer for MANY more YEARS to come!!!
I'm very happy they announced a vive pro 2. Just upgraded to 4 x 2.0 base stations. I have the wireless adapter as well. I'm wondering if that compression may improve the wireless adapter functionality as well.
Not disappointed, just intrigued. Oculus hasn't been resting on their laurels, they are working hard pushing development and updates to the Quest 2, and courting triple-A devs for content. The rumoured Quest Pro or Quest 3 will most likely feature similar specs when it's ready. Either way is cool to see HTC Vive back in the game positively and showing how far enthusiast consumer VR hardware has come.
Yeah, ill wait for something that is an actual upgrade and doesn't cost double the price just for a resolution increase. What I want are better lenses, a lighter headset, a mic that isn't garbage, audio that compares to index, and eye/face tracking integrated into the headset. If it wasn't for the HP omnicept inside-out tracking that would be the best headset for me but they need lighthouse tracking for me to buy. Still waiting for headsets like this and I'm not giving a cent more until it comes.
They are at this point for me just an expensive toy , like a playstation or xbox. I am a rift 2 owner and happy with that . My next purchase will be a quest 2 because i want the wireless option . Plan on buying two of them so i can send one to my daughter who is about 2000 km away . it will cost about the same price for two Quest 2 256 gb as it would for one of the vive . And i don't have a problem with facebook .
@@australianews I never tried the rift S. But I do have a normal Quest. 4 of em actually for my family. I think I'm just upset at oculus for releasing the Quest 2 in just one year after the Quest 1 and the Rift S. And of course the Facebook requirement. They have a great headset, but something sounds monopolizing and not looking after the consumer to me. I don't know.... The Quest 2 is a great deal (just seems fishy). So I'm hoping Steam VR doesn't disappear, because to me it's for all the other brands. Like (android vs IOS), only in VR it's (SteamVR vs Oculus). Oculus is taking over.
@@yeshuasmc7436 I buy about half my rift s games from Steam and some you have to use the steam VR to play them . Even if you are in Oculus when you start the game , steam loads the game . To start a steam game it is better to start the steam home first . Starting a steam game from oculus stuffs up the loading sometimes . I think it is the steam updater i should shut it off. As for quest 2 i have no idea on that yet .but i did just place the order for two of them .
Whats your PC specs at the moment? I have an RTX 2070 and an i7 8th gen core processor so I'm sure I'm fine if I buy the vive pro 2. Hopefully its compatible with my PC specs!!!!
For those of us without (and having no interest in) a gaming PC but want PCVR quality experiences that mobile processors just can't deliver, I wish a company would produce a VR headset and base station bundle. The base station would be relatively small but contains desktop quality chipsets and streams the video / audio to the headset through direct and automatic wireless pairing and would also serve as a charging station for headset and controllers when docked on to it.
OMG I'm so excited! Similar to the Valve index, but better. That's a dream right there friends. And everyone hates the Vive Wands (Controllers), and would consider it a downside, but I absolutely CHERISH them! :D
If I felt the need to upgrade my HMD, I'd go with the Vive Pro 2, but I'm still happy with my Index for now. The high prices are nothing new from HTC, so unfortunately not overly surprising. I was really hoping to see a lower price for an all-in-one HMD, but maybe in a few months to a year. FB needs to have competition, there's no doubt about it.
I play a lot of simulators so if I got a VR headset this sounds great due to the high resolution. Being able to see dials and readouts clearly is very important specially for flight sims like DCS world. If I could obtain one for review that would have been amazing as these are way out my price range. Not sure about still using the base units, I think the inside tracking is the future.
encouraging direction. Hopefully enterprise actually invests in these headsets and then consumers will eventually get some of those next-gen developments (trickle-down). I'm not upset. Quest Pro will be a step forward. Privacy doesn't bother me because I don't spend tons of hours in VR. Let enterprise beta test some of this early adopter tech. VR needs many perspectives to really be great.
dude the market is screaming for a quest 2 competitor and htc has something really mindblowing stuff out there. I dont understand why they dont make this one step, the market really wants a facebook less SVR Headset... Im dissapointed :(
Facebook log in doesn't really change the accessibility and most people have a Facebook account i don't see the dilemma or drawback with Facebook to be honest.
Few questions: 1. Can you play games on the VIVE Focus 3? 2. Can you use the VIVE Focus 3s controllers with other VIVE headsets like Pro 1 or 2? 3. If "No" for question 2 are VIVE making any new controllers for the Pro 1 and 2. I know Valve Index knuckles are a good substitute I own a pair but I'd like a natural controller that doesn't feature finger detection as my hands sweat too much and mess with my gameplay as I can't let go of things all too often.
I just wish that something like the Vive Focus 3 got some kind of commercial version. It looks so awesome and would be so awesome for standalone gameplay. I would definitely pay $600 for a stripped down Vive Focus 3 made specifically for gaming. Absolutely I would. I also wish I had the money for the Vive Pro 2. I’m only using a Quest 2 right now and that is so awesome for standalone, but I’m not happy with the performance on PC using Quest Link. The slight delay and the compression bothers me a lot, so I want a high end no compromises PC VR headset. The Vive Pro 2 looks awesome for that (but I’d definitely be getting the Knuckles controllers over the Vive wands, and that is even more money). I’m gonna wait until I get a career going and my own living situation sorted out after college (I have one more year of that) until I start purchasing high end stuff like this, but by then I’m sure there will be an Index 2 or something else along those lines. And by then I’ll probably be having to upgrade my PC even more.
I'm considering upgrading from my original Vive to the Vive Pro 2. But I'll definitely wait for your review of it first (assuming you'll get one for review)
I hope you've got a beasty GPU. On my 1060 6GB I could run everything on the vive with ease, but everything looked like I had vaseline smeared on my eyes. Got an index and its a massive difference, but now my PC struggles to keep up on a lot of games. To go even further for a pro2, be prepared to shell out for a new GPU or face horrible performance
My only hope is that the Focus 3 controllers are available separately, and use SteamVR Base station tracking. Those coupled with the Index would be the definitive experience for me.
This is cool and is better by resolution to the valve index but 300 extra $$$ unless you get the controllers and base stations. So if you get the base stations for free somehow and buy the valve controllers this a great deal
im going to buy this upgrade. the upgrade from first to pro was such a good upgrade, and i bet this upgrade will be worth it as well. people are just hating cause its htc. no matter what they release people will hate and "not buy"
I'm waiting for the Vive Pro 2. I just hope the colors will be as bright as my Og Vive with Deluxe strap. I returned the Index because it was too dark & the extra FOV was filled with blur & god rays. Even the knuckles are screwed up. Holding a one handed weapon the barrel is off to the right by about 10°. You think someone at Valve would have designed the controller to somewhat aim like a weapon. IMHO Valve screwed the pooch. So here's to hoping the Pro 2 will be an improvement.
I'm upgrading to the Vive Pro 2, I've been hanging out for a headset with a max IPD up to 72mm, the others are all too small at 68mm max. Not fussed about stand alone headsets.
That won't happen unless you don't want to actually play games or move your hands behind your head or to your sides. And PSVR2 is adding realistic haptics to their VR controllers and triggers, which will be more immersive and you'd also miss out on with hand tracking.
Thats not possible and won't ever be a thing. First to mention is inherent occlusion. Then you also need physical buttons, locomotion controls and a physical pistol grip to hold with a trigger. Go look at quest hand tracking, its a dumb gimmick that o ly works for navigating menus, you could never use it for playing any games (not that anyone would want to in the first place)
really wish the vive pro 2 had some wireless functionality, i know the og adapter was a thing but that was a bit rough; with a PCIe card and large antenna for 300 bucks
Thats how 60ghz has to work, and the vive pro 2 is compatible with the wigig adapter. The antenna is the smallest you can make it without occlusion issues.
The adapter still IS a thing, and that's what makes this so cool. The index, or Pimax or Reverb don't even have this option. Steam VR still has the best tracking system, especially for motion seat where trackers are in play. This is awesome.
@@BlitzStudiosIsinsideyourhome You don't like the weight? I wear it alot, never bothered me. I hope adapter 2.0 comes out using 802.11ay. Supposedly that can send out 40 gigabits per second compared to the current 8 gbs of 802.11ad. Then we can really push some resolution and refresh rate.
Considering how much we all spend on identity protection packages these days, having FB pool your personal data in order to save 300-400 dollars for the OQ2 is ridiculous. If the Focus 3 was available for gaming and non-business apps (e.g. going for a walk with a friend, watching a movie, travelling around the world virtually on Google, participating in some tabletop gaming like Demeo etc.) I would get it immediately. The reason I have not got a VR headset yet is because I will not get a FB account. I know the price I'll pay for having one is not worth it in the long run.
going to hold out with my quest 2, see if i can wait for quest 3 -predicted for 2022 , this release shows what display panel/resolution we’ll be getting & at a great price from oculus
Fyi, the great price is because of how valuable the data they steal off your kit is worth to them. Go look at how expensive monthly their "non-intrusive" quest 2 is.
I’m quite tempted to get something to run some high quality PCVR games, but I feel this headset it just kind of “off” on what we all wanted? Like, the specs look great, but only the headset specs seem updated, like, a controller update would’ve been nice, seems a bit bittersweet.
Really want that 120 FOV standalone headset, but that “for business user” statement makes me feel bad.It’s not just about the price, but the support for gamers will be very limited, most likely just a wireless steam VR headset without any entertainment apps from the standalone system itself
This is an awesome improvement. Once I upgrade my cpu i7 6700k I might be able to run it lol, my gpu I have a 6700xt. Soo in the future I will definitely grab one. The price sucks tho.
WAIT!!!! Will the Vive Focus 3 have 120hz ? Just like the Valve Index or Oculus Quest 2? Will this be a feature that Vive will add as an update to the headset much like how Facebook did with the oculus quest 2 ? Don't get me wrong 90hz is great but with those visuals I would prefer playing it at 120hz if the headset even has that option which I'm hoping It does!!!
Facebook/Quest hardware is Kryptonite to people who love liberty so that's a no go for me and a reason to be waiting for something good to come out of HTC and/or Valve. I went wireless a few years back, only a month after when I got my original HTC Vive and absolutely love that decison. I have absolutely no plan to wearing a leash again and will wait until something compliant with my needs hits the market.....My old HTC Vive sure has been a good investment and amazingly futureproof. Give me a full feature wireless Vive Pro 2 and I'll happily drop a thousand dollars to upgrade, but not until then. :-)
@@realpoorman3154 You don't know what tech I'm using. I'd scale back my tendency to make assumptions if I were you. Long live the Penguin and the Gnu!!! :-)
@@foxpupyou sound like a clown you do realize google owns RUclips and you have a RUclips account aka a google account and you on something that can be tracked right now but but liberty right go off the grid to have you liberty buddy
@@realpoorman3154 Your tendency to make assumptions is amazing. What makes you so sure I'm even using a trackable device? There are lots of options, not just i-phones and droids. Sometimes people actually use real computers and some of those computers are 100% the servants of their users unlike Windoze, and Macintosh. Not everyone uses Google Chrome either. You assume so much that you end up knowing less than nothing.
if the tracking is up to snuff a striped down version of the focus 3 would be great, also with 120hz with a dedicated pc wireless dongle............with those I would happily pay the same as the vive pro 2 ($800 usd) if it could deliver (800 usd for focus 3 gamer edition, with controllers, 120hz, and usb wireless pc transmitter). some built in headphones would also be nice too. I think there is a gamer edition of the focus 3 full package at $800 with wireless pc dongle would appeal to many enthusiast
Hi, I am considering the vive pro 2 as my first VR set. Which other bits do I need to play Half Life 2 Lynx? i.e controller / base unit? Can you post the item links please. Is vive pro 2 wireless out of the box like the quest 2? Is quest 2 better?
Really like the look of the Focus3 and the swap-able battery is a great idea. I made a cartridge for an extra battery on my Quest which I can swap over when it gets low so I don't have to stop playing to recharge. I like the higher resolution but I didn't hear anything about having direct video throughput with a cable like the new Pico neo has and without that it's not really going to provide images at that resolution. I'll be sticking with my OLED ogQuest it seems. Might look at the Pico Neo when it comes west?
Thanks for the info, this is everything of note from Vivecon so no one has to waste their time watching it, they can just be disappointed faster. HTC has abandoned consumer VR at this point and that just saddens me.
I really just want a quality PCVR headset with 4k OLED and good FOV. It doesn't exist right now. Someone could make a lot of cash with such a rig. The immersive quality of OLED is magical, and it's just missing from all the current gen headsets. I'd drop $1000 on it today if it existed.
OLED is flawed and the worst display technology for VR. Literally no one wants to use garbage dirt cheap displays that have massive pixel persistence and latency for a platform that requires low latency and very fast pixel response.
I always ask myself: is the enterprise market this huge and demanding of HTC Headsets, that HTC can live just from that? I can't see a benefit of upgrading my Index to an Vive Pro 2 (just the resolution - but that's not worth the cost)... Eyetracking would have been a killer feature together with the Face-Controller though...
Yes. Just buy the Base Station 2.0 and a pair of index controllers. Please do not buy their package. The vive wands are horrible, and honestly... No VR controller beats the index, which makes this the best VR news in a while. The option to do wireless pc VR with higher than index fidelity.
I have vive pro wit da blue controllers n 2.0 base stations that came with it.was thinkin of selling it,duno how to go about sellin it as be hard 2 sell the headset alone.might just but the headset so and index controllers
Everything I needed to know was that neither one is for my budget xD
Same bro, same.
Sticking with quest 2
Well, that's disappointing. I was really hoping to see some competition for the Quest. Hopefully in the near future they will not just market their standalone for business.
The ceo of htc stated their next standalone would not compete with quest 2
I knew there wasn't gonna be one, just curious what it would be like
coming from an index i already have all the steam vr gear. paired wiht an rtx 3090 im totally vibing with the pro 2. just pre-ordered it :)
@@jonathanelkin3830 same its a big upgrade over the index in my opinion as a already have the controllers and basestations
Yeah major disappointment. That leaked cloth fitness headset was awesome. I was really hoping that was real. Vive Focus 3 looks cool too but I don't understand who they think there market is for that.
Appreciate you mentioning directly to Vive that you think there's a market for a consumer version of the Focus 3 at a Quest 2 2x price point. I think you're right, and I would definitely buy something like that even at a $800-$900 price point.
The price point is not bad... if they had included controllers with it.
One has horrible controllers, the other doesn't have outside out tracking... Worthless.
@@Nekotaku_TV hopefully u can play with knuckles controllers if u have some base stations, I heard you can use the index controllers with the oculus quest 2 so I'm sure if u were planning on getting the vive focus 3 and were planning on playing it with the index controllers then I'm sure they will have that option to merge those two. Provided that u have some base stations on u for the controllers
If Facebook chose the vive focus 3 spec and put it in a quest 2 pro I'd pay £600-£800. 120⁰ FOV and IPD.all the way up to 72mm would swing it for me.
Yeah, but only if it had 120hz (and even if it didn't I'd probably still get it but for a little less)
It would be really cool but they need to make some solutions for heating and battery. I think 120Hz should be the new standard for VR but this could generate a lot of heat in the long run. The battery swap feature is really cool and I would like to see it in Quest 3.
@@SoMNoMW I'd take a wider FOV then 120hz personally. You have to make trade offs somewhere, 90 fps is pretty good.
I upgraded to the Vive Pro 2 from my original Vive, ordering it during the release event. It is an excellent update, comfortable fit and amazing resolution. I detached the ear pieces (the box had plastic covers to protect the contacts thankfully), not because they were bad, but because I use a full ear wireless headset with 7.1 surround and boom mic. I had the controllers / base stations from my old Vive and they work very well.
Coming from an original Vive was a huge step up in quality and res. 120 Hz (Varies depending on resolution) / 120 degrees of FOV. You will need a powerful graphics card to run this 5K beast. With a 3090 it is phenomenal.
What I find most impressive about all this is that everyone detests Facebook but they always blow us away so much that we look the other way. HTC is well liked but they literally never fail to disappoint
HTC don't know what their doing. Stick with Quest & PSVR2 ! Between them they will bring proper VR gaming experiences and advanced, seamless VR software.
@@Art-Sin neither of those devices are anything like the dedicated vr system experience.
Facebook doesn't bother me, if I log into my xbox with xbox live it doesn't degrade the platform or give me a lesser experience so logging into Facebook does what in a degrading sense?. its just a means of logging in I don't see the problem. the thing I find contradictory is most people that moan about this have a Facebook account.
Love or hate Facebook all you want, you gotta admit that they know what they're doing when it comes to vr
@@dazlee3449 How much are you being paid by Facebook?
I'm not really sure why anyone would buy the full Vive pro 2 kit for $1400 when you can buy the headset from HTC and the base stations and far superior Index controllers from Valve for $1380.
Can you even buy the stations? Are they in stock now?
@@ZoKKeRFreAK Not right now, but that's likely due to the chip shortage. Assuming they get their supply lines sorted out that won't be an issue by next year.
Agree, I don't know why they won't update their dated controller design.
@@Arsonist00 I had the same controller in 2017 when I first started this VR c****
@@ZoKKeRFreAK I got mine from a regular online shop for hardware and it's still available. At the vive website it seems available, too. But both prices are at 200 instead of 160€.
Such a missed opportunity with the focus 3. Even if they pitched it at 800-900 there will be people who would pick it over the Quest 2.
It has no games other than fake vr crap from the andriod store, lmfao. No one wants it.
@@evolicious not true not everyone has a pc to do pc vr so the quest 2 is perfect 👌 for that reason alone
@@evolicious there are plenty of games for the quest that could be ported over relatively easily, plus there is wireless PCVR which is a huge selling point in itself.
@@Arsonist00 yeah I agree and how portable it is I can just take it to my friends house and just play with them that's huge for me and it's both pc vr if you have a pc and it's a stand alone so best of both worlds
I have my quest 2 and only use it for pc vr because I like the wireless and inside out tracking ..I would buy focus 3 ..wish we started having 200 fov as the norm tho
The vive pro 2 is what I am interested in. I have the index currently and the bump in resolution seems promising and being able to use my existing trackers and controllers makes it an easy upgrade
No BMR, same bulky and heavy HMD, old outdated controllers, HTC QC and support, smaller FOV. It could be a downgrade compared to the Index.
@@evolicious I would use my existing index controllers and trackers as I mentioned. The FOV difference is negligible (especially since its not a static 130 on the index) but the resolution is a significant increase. Weight is basically the same on them as well.
@@blindsay still missing out on BMR and comfort. I wouldn't hold my breath for the pro 2 actually being better overall, but would be great as the highest quality wireless HMD.
@@evolicious Comfort is completely subjective and personal, BMR are just fancy over the ear speakers. Audio is much easier to modify to your preference but the screen you cannot change. I had a Rift S for a while which had garbage for audio.
This was the best VR news since the valve index controllers. I love my vive pro, and the index was a no go since it's not wireless. I have 4 quests for my family, but no tracking works as well as the Steam VR system. Vive knocked it out of the park for me, by marrying the best features of the index, with the wireless adapter and increasing the resolution; while eliminating the Screen Door effect. I say Good Job to HTC.
Dang... first their phones, now their headsets. HTC is going to get outpaced if they keep playing it safe with these incremental updates RIP
it's too expensive, they basically gave up selling to normal people
@@Carnyzzle I still don't understand that argument completely. If the quest is essentially a smartphone with a few extra bells and whistles strapped to your face I don't really understand how it's not possible to strip back to the essentials for a comfortable consumer experience but design a product that is modular and has opportunity for future attachments and upgrades. We have the tech to make it cheaper and I still don't buy that Facebook is subsidizing quest 2 revenue with data sales
@@rapidey3movement360 It's data sales to third parties, store sales and personal advertising from Facebook
@Carnyzzle the materials and manufacturing required for the bare minimum of comfort and functionality in a headset would only cost the consumer like $4-500 in order for companies to make a profit without third party bs. Hell Vive could have given us the enterprise device for $8-900 and marketed it as a pro standalone and would have made bank
It's like they want people to screw themselves, as if they don't do that already.
I’ll keep my quest 2 and virtual desktop
cool :D
dont forgret airlink
@@mufradr airlink still doesn't work with a lot of GPUs unfortunately
@@NeytozINF I didn't know that luckily it works for my friends that just got it
@@RawWrath Good for them! I wasn't so lucky, but VD works great
Fun thing is that Mike literally dropped this video a minute before the "VIVEgone for Bruhsiness" started where these were presented officially for the first time...
2:51 HP Reverb "114" FOV :D
3:56 600 extra bucks for the old Wands (who _wands_ these anymore?) and the base stations, ooofff!
5:58 Finally someone does this. Had the idea a while ago already to have quadrophonic audio in the headstrap for better spatial sourround sound.
6:25 That display will be sick especially for flight simming. And finally we'll have a better FOV without using the Index with just 1600px vertical res or the Pimaxes. But the hardware requirements to run that will sick be as well :D
6:49 That is some awesome feature IMHO.
7:05 I imagine the thing having a regular battery at the front as well, otherwise the hot swapping wouldn't work. And having just the rear one only wouldn't cut it either.
7:37 That's great, so it's clearly not entirely business only. I hope they'll somehow make this thing a consumer headset as well, I mean, basically it would just need to have a store for games on it and wireless link. A stripped down "light" version would be nice as well, but I'd also like to have the _option_ to go for the full thing.
Also, when I got that right, the thing isn't locked behind a subscription model and you don't have to own a company to be able to buy the Focus 3 which is a good thing already. Yeah, it's expensive, but I'm sure there are people who would buy it if it could be fully used for gaming.
I just placed Vive Pro 2 on preorder. I have been using the original Vive since it launched. The one thing I didn't know until watching this video was if I needed to buy new bay stations. So glad to know I can use the ones i have, so for me this will be a great upgrade at min cost.
Its base stations NOT bay stations lol
Finally!!! An upgrade for my Index!
Why in the world are they still using the Vive Wands? I thought we'd moved on from that style. Just look at literally any other current headset, and analog sticks are a must for one.
Because they know everyone buys index controllers anyways, isnt worth of research and desing competive controllers.
Love the look of the Focus and yeah, a stripped down version bundled with Vive Port would have been exactly what the market needed right now. Disappointed overall []-(
I feel ya mate []-/
I've waited for a while to check on what htc is working. guess I'll have to get myself a quest 2 :/
I know you might be sad about Facebook requirment but trust me the headset is great
@@birdah8 yeah looks like I'm getting a quest 2. I hate the Facebook login but it definitely is an amazing headset especially from the price
Can't believe you waited this long to get one.
Wait for Decagear, they may be a good cheaper competitor.
@@That_Guy42 what if he doesn't have a pc? (like the main reason people buy the quest)
Sitting through Vive Event: This is boring
*Notifications*
‘Everything you NEED TO KNOW about Vive Event’
“I would rather watch my favorite RUclipsr explain it than watch this lady.” *click*
@El Triunfo showing the appreciation for the hardwork of our host here. and showing that he was actually watching the vivecon as well while letting us know he's quite an enthusiast:P
@El Triunfo if you need to ask a question like this I am surprised you figured out how to use youtube.
@El Triunfo Did you know that toddler watch RUclips?
@El Triunfo Took you long enough. Maybe the ball pit at Chucky's cheese is more of your speed.
@El Triunfo Geez thanks, you're better than grammerly. Can I pay you with Chuck E Cheese tickets?
I've been holding out on a PC VR upgrade because I wanted something compatible with the Vive Wireless adapter that I already invested in, however it is important to note that the Pro 2 specs say that the display is limited to 90Hz when using the wireless adapter. Still, might be worth it for the big jump in resolution over the now 5 year old Vive.
Also wondering if the wireless adapter allows full resolution. The Specs say DisplayPort 1.4 or higher with DSC is required for Full Resolution mode
@@quagthias According to the main Vive Pro 2 page, the answer is sadly no. Not only is it limited to 90Hz instead of 120Hz, it is 2448x1224 resolution. Somehow lower than the original! It says 3264x1632 support is coming soon but, while slightly higher than the OG Vive Pro, that's still not the full 4896x2448.
@@sysfailure Ah thank you I didn't see that at the very bottom of the page
@@quagthias It is well hidden. Only the 90Hz bit was on the spec page when I looked. I had to find the resolution bit by scrolling down the main product page where they have all that stuff trying to show off features in a flashy way.
I think you try to fit 'Whilst' into every one of your videos. :)
it’s literally his accent what lol
They STILL haven’t thought to make new controllers for pcvr? Really? That’s just sad.
Immediately lost any interest in the new vive tech.
You can at least still use Valve Index knuckles controllers if you buy the headset on its own and order the controllers from Valve.
@@sleev1091 unfortunately i live in Australia, so i can’t get an index. I never would have bought the original vive pro if i was able to get an index.
I do however have the Etee controllers preordered, so i won’t have to use my vive wands much longer
@@Aiana3D why not have a friend in us have ut ship to them , then you pay to have it shipped to you . It’s more expensive but you would have it
@@ssj3vegett0 primarily because of warranty issues, and the fact that i can’t spend that amount of money at the moment. Maybe later on though, of my vive pro starts to fall apart even more
@@sleev1091 exactly. for me this makes perfect sense. why would i need controllers from htc, unless they were way better thean the index controllers, which is alomost impossible ;-)
Way better video than the Vive event Matteo streamed earlier 🤣
Very disappointing that we still have no competitor for Facebook and Quest, the stand alone market seriously needs it. I would definitely put £500 or so down for a consumer version of the Focus 3
Upgraded to vivepro 2 today and used the promo code which worked perfectly (UK). It's the FOV, refresh rate and 5k that does it for me the build quality on the headset has always been very good. I would have liked the headset to look different. Updated looks will have given a wow factor just for aesthetics and maybe lighter but hey it is what it is. I already have the wireless add on which of course is supposed to work with the new headset. So a 5K wireless headset hmmm I wonder what It will be like. Can't wait! Thanks for the vids Mike 😁
Vive is a joke at this point. Going through the trouble of interacting with consumers in discord/twitter only to come out with a bs enterprise headset
Not to mention all their marketing material is games...but it's for enterprise. Their marketing department apparently didn't get the memo.
Vive is that kid in class that tries to do serious topics for his project and makes the most goofest powerpoints
And after that he says hes serious
I'm pretty pissed that they're still including the Vive wands with the Vive Pro 2. Those controllers lack the capabilities that Oculus Touch derivative controllers have. They could've made SteamVR versions of the Focus 3 controllers or licensed the Valve Knuckles since they're incuding Base Station 2s anyway. But they didn't. They're still using those tired, lacking controllers. When you're paying that much for the full kit, finger tracking should be a minimum requirement.
@@Some-guy-on-the-internet it makes me wanna puke that they are actually still offering those wands in a bundle. Like I get that they probably have an abundance of unused stock(no one wants them), but they gotta iterate on them or something. It's always one step forward two steps back with them
@@St1ngerGuy it's mind-boggling isn't it? How many chances should we give Vive? They literally have a golden goose of an opportunity to compete with Oculus and they keep mucking it up
Nice to see they balanced the Focus 3 with the battery. Hope other future VR wireless headsets follow.
Sticking to those Vive wands just feels so dated, HTC loves to make new headsets but they haven't updated their controllers in ages (no the cosmos does not count IMO).
Still more viable upgrade paths for valve index or old Vive hmd users isn't a bad thing.
I would say that this is more than I expected from their headset announcements, but not by much. The quest definitely needs competitors but I don't think it's going to be HTC anytime in the near future in the standalone market.
Dude when I saw the price I was like 😔 ye this headset ain’t gonna sell much quest 2 definitely first pick.
love your content
Cheers Joshua! []-)
delighted to hear that the wireless kit also works with the new vive pro 2. for me, as i already own lighthouse tracking, index controllers and the vive pro wireless kit, the vive pro 2 seems to be the perfect upgrade.. im eager to see the reviews once there out.
I read an article that said the HTC Vive Focus 3 is a DIRECT competitor to the Quest 2 and I was like what is this guy smoking? In order to be a direct competitor to Quest 2 it would need to be priced the same or near the same price as the Quest 2. It looks like the Quest line of VR headsets will continue to be the King of VR headsets for the average consumer for MANY more YEARS to come!!!
The valve index is yet the best overall
I AM HYPED OUT OF MY MIND!!!
Haha what are you most hyped for? []-)
Ok
For this? Man, the vr community is desperate, lol
@@VirtualRealityOasis increased pixel density for crisp sniper vision!
@@TheLonelyViper Need to see those enemy feet through the scope ;)
Let's hope they release a Focus 3 for consumers for 600-800$. This would be a fair price compared with the Quest 2.
Vive CON! Who would have expected such transparency.
"The vive focus 3 is only for business"
Me with a dad who has a business: hehehehehe
I'm very happy they announced a vive pro 2. Just upgraded to 4 x 2.0 base stations. I have the wireless adapter as well. I'm wondering if that compression may improve the wireless adapter functionality as well.
Bit of a naff year for anyone wanting to upgrade their PCVR setup all the decent GPU's are out of stock and unavailable to order
Not disappointed, just intrigued. Oculus hasn't been resting on their laurels, they are working hard pushing development and updates to the Quest 2, and courting triple-A devs for content. The rumoured Quest Pro or Quest 3 will most likely feature similar specs when it's ready.
Either way is cool to see HTC Vive back in the game positively and showing how far enthusiast consumer VR hardware has come.
Yeah, ill wait for something that is an actual upgrade and doesn't cost double the price just for a resolution increase. What I want are better lenses, a lighter headset, a mic that isn't garbage, audio that compares to index, and eye/face tracking integrated into the headset. If it wasn't for the HP omnicept inside-out tracking that would be the best headset for me but they need lighthouse tracking for me to buy. Still waiting for headsets like this and I'm not giving a cent more until it comes.
They are at this point for me just an expensive toy , like a playstation or xbox.
I am a rift 2 owner and happy with that .
My next purchase will be a quest 2 because i want the wireless option .
Plan on buying two of them so i can send one to my daughter who is about 2000 km away .
it will cost about the same price for two Quest 2 256 gb as it would for one of the vive .
And i don't have a problem with facebook .
With the adapter the Vive Pro is wireless. It's awesome too.
@@yeshuasmc7436 The cable does not worry me on the rift s .
I have it overhead .
But the only space i have to set up the PC and rift is too small .
@@australianews I never tried the rift S. But I do have a normal Quest. 4 of em actually for my family. I think I'm just upset at oculus for releasing the Quest 2 in just one year after the Quest 1 and the Rift S. And of course the Facebook requirement. They have a great headset, but something sounds monopolizing and not looking after the consumer to me. I don't know.... The Quest 2 is a great deal (just seems fishy). So I'm hoping Steam VR doesn't disappear, because to me it's for all the other brands. Like (android vs IOS), only in VR it's (SteamVR vs Oculus). Oculus is taking over.
@@yeshuasmc7436 I buy about half my rift s games from Steam and some you have to use the steam VR to play them .
Even if you are in Oculus when you start the game , steam loads the game .
To start a steam game it is better to start the steam home first .
Starting a steam game from oculus stuffs up the loading sometimes .
I think it is the steam updater i should shut it off.
As for quest 2 i have no idea on that yet .but i did just place the order for two of them .
I just hope the PC specs for Pro 2 doesn't change, or it will cost me more than just buying a new headset 😭
Whats your PC specs at the moment?
I have an RTX 2070 and an i7 8th gen core processor so I'm sure I'm fine if I buy the vive pro 2. Hopefully its compatible with my PC specs!!!!
Just run it on a lower res in steam vr?
@@tylerdurden6917 if I doesn't work with a 2070 then it's not worth a purchase at all lol
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 that's the thing my dude!!! Lol I have to know !!!!
I was able to get a 3070 for 949 euro’s, otherwise i would have not be able to run the vive pro 2
I happy with those announcements. None of this XR bullsquish, HTC is fully committed to Virtual Reality
My god I want that consumer vive focus, please htc make that happen!
For those of us without (and having no interest in) a gaming PC but want PCVR quality experiences that mobile processors just can't deliver, I wish a company would produce a VR headset and base station bundle. The base station would be relatively small but contains desktop quality chipsets and streams the video / audio to the headset through direct and automatic wireless pairing and would also serve as a charging station for headset and controllers when docked on to it.
Thats not how any of this works. You are talking about high latency solutions for a product that needs far less latency to work.
Pre ordering right now
For the moment I'm good with my Quest2
OMG I'm so excited! Similar to the Valve index, but better. That's a dream right there friends. And everyone hates the Vive Wands (Controllers), and would consider it a downside, but I absolutely CHERISH them! :D
If I felt the need to upgrade my HMD, I'd go with the Vive Pro 2, but I'm still happy with my Index for now.
The high prices are nothing new from HTC, so unfortunately not overly surprising. I was really hoping to see a lower price for an all-in-one HMD, but maybe in a few months to a year. FB needs to have competition, there's no doubt about it.
I’d buy Focus 3 for $6-700 today! If Virtual Desktop would work on it, it would be a dream machine.
I play a lot of simulators so if I got a VR headset this sounds great due to the high resolution. Being able to see dials and readouts clearly is very important specially for flight sims like DCS world.
If I could obtain one for review that would have been amazing as these are way out my price range. Not sure about still using the base units, I think the inside tracking is the future.
encouraging direction. Hopefully enterprise actually invests in these headsets and then consumers will eventually get some of those next-gen developments (trickle-down). I'm not upset. Quest Pro will be a step forward. Privacy doesn't bother me because I don't spend tons of hours in VR.
Let enterprise beta test some of this early adopter tech. VR needs many perspectives to really be great.
Well get them anyway, these are mostly creature comfort upgrades that will be added once the price makes sense, and price of tech always goes down.
dude the market is screaming for a quest 2 competitor and htc has something really mindblowing stuff out there. I dont understand why they dont make this one step, the market really wants a facebook less SVR Headset... Im dissapointed :(
Facebook log in doesn't really change the accessibility and most people have a Facebook account i don't see the dilemma or drawback with Facebook to be honest.
i’m still vibin with my quest 2 and my link cable
why dont you use virtual desktop?..
*AirLink
@@Ailasor my internets bad and i just prefer the stable Link Cable
Few questions:
1. Can you play games on the VIVE Focus 3?
2. Can you use the VIVE Focus 3s controllers with other VIVE headsets like Pro 1 or 2?
3. If "No" for question 2 are VIVE making any new controllers for the Pro 1 and 2. I know Valve Index knuckles are a good substitute I own a pair but I'd like a natural controller that doesn't feature finger detection as my hands sweat too much and mess with my gameplay as I can't let go of things all too often.
im sorry but why is the vive pro 2 not using oled screens. surely there cant be any screen door with that resolution
I just wish that something like the Vive Focus 3 got some kind of commercial version. It looks so awesome and would be so awesome for standalone gameplay. I would definitely pay $600 for a stripped down Vive Focus 3 made specifically for gaming. Absolutely I would.
I also wish I had the money for the Vive Pro 2. I’m only using a Quest 2 right now and that is so awesome for standalone, but I’m not happy with the performance on PC using Quest Link. The slight delay and the compression bothers me a lot, so I want a high end no compromises PC VR headset. The Vive Pro 2 looks awesome for that (but I’d definitely be getting the Knuckles controllers over the Vive wands, and that is even more money). I’m gonna wait until I get a career going and my own living situation sorted out after college (I have one more year of that) until I start purchasing high end stuff like this, but by then I’m sure there will be an Index 2 or something else along those lines. And by then I’ll probably be having to upgrade my PC even more.
Ouch ... $750 US for the same 4 year old HMD with a new screen? They clearly don't care about moving VR forward or selling volume.
They never did in the first place
That was fast :)
I'm considering upgrading from my original Vive to the Vive Pro 2. But I'll definitely wait for your review of it first (assuming you'll get one for review)
I hope you've got a beasty GPU. On my 1060 6GB I could run everything on the vive with ease, but everything looked like I had vaseline smeared on my eyes. Got an index and its a massive difference, but now my PC struggles to keep up on a lot of games. To go even further for a pro2, be prepared to shell out for a new GPU or face horrible performance
its shit
mr.MYSTERIOUS,YT source?
No standalone competitor to quest 2, what a shame. Daddy Zucc for life
My only hope is that the Focus 3 controllers are available separately, and use SteamVR Base station tracking.
Those coupled with the Index would be the definitive experience for me.
The FOV is still disappointingly low, but this is looking good enough to finally jump into the VR craze
This is cool and is better by resolution to the valve index but 300 extra $$$ unless you get the controllers and base stations. So if you get the base stations for free somehow and buy the valve controllers this a great deal
Consumers: Make this and we will give you money.
Company: No, we will make this thing instead that you can't afford.
Vive Pro 2 pre ordered specifically for Sim Racing. Reverb G2 for sale soon assuming the Vive Pro 2 delivers!
im going to buy this upgrade. the upgrade from first to pro was such a good upgrade, and i bet this upgrade will be worth it as well. people are just hating cause its htc. no matter what they release people will hate and "not buy"
They're hating because it's overpriced compared to the competition, and the fact that the htc pro base price doesn't even come with controllers
@@BlitzStudiosIsinsideyourhome htc got quality
@@BigDaddyMacc but the valve index is much better
@@BlitzStudiosIsinsideyourhome NOPE IS NOT
@@BigDaddyMacc yes it is lol
Always great content!
I'm waiting for the Vive Pro 2. I just hope the colors will be as bright as my Og Vive with Deluxe strap. I returned the Index because it was too dark & the extra FOV was filled with blur & god rays. Even the knuckles are screwed up. Holding a one handed weapon the barrel is off to the right by about 10°. You think someone at Valve would have designed the controller to somewhat aim like a weapon. IMHO Valve screwed the pooch. So here's to hoping the Pro 2 will be an improvement.
The resolution needs a 3090 to drive, base station detection is old tech vs inside out tracking.
I'm upgrading to the Vive Pro 2, I've been hanging out for a headset with a max IPD up to 72mm, the others are all too small at 68mm max. Not fussed about stand alone headsets.
The Pro 2 will be my next headset.
My pc can barely run minecraft while you are able to run vr and at 4k. Thats insane compared to my 2012 dell pc
at 1400€ for the full kit, HTC is really making the Index look like the much better buy.
Yes. Please do video about pico neo.
I am at peace with HTC catering to the higher end and business users. Every part of the market that gets serviced benefits the market as a whole.
When hand tracking gets good hopefully the controllers will just be bracelets you can wear which teach movement.
YEAH THAT WOULD BE SICK
How do you move then
That won't happen unless you don't want to actually play games or move your hands behind your head or to your sides. And PSVR2 is adding realistic haptics to their VR controllers and triggers, which will be more immersive and you'd also miss out on with hand tracking.
Thats not possible and won't ever be a thing. First to mention is inherent occlusion. Then you also need physical buttons, locomotion controls and a physical pistol grip to hold with a trigger.
Go look at quest hand tracking, its a dumb gimmick that o ly works for navigating menus, you could never use it for playing any games (not that anyone would want to in the first place)
@@TheProwler44 no, it wouldn't.
Valve needs to cook up Index 2.0
Hell no, they are right where they need to be. No one is going for the vive pro two unless they have the gear for it
Valve is more invested in getting source 2 tools developed and the 60ghz adapter for the Index right now.
really wish the vive pro 2 had some wireless functionality, i know the og adapter was a thing but that was a bit rough; with a PCIe card and large antenna for 300 bucks
Thats how 60ghz has to work, and the vive pro 2 is compatible with the wigig adapter. The antenna is the smallest you can make it without occlusion issues.
The adapter still IS a thing, and that's what makes this so cool. The index, or Pimax or Reverb don't even have this option. Steam VR still has the best tracking system, especially for motion seat where trackers are in play. This is awesome.
Hopefully they'll make an adapter 2.0 where it's smaller and lighter
@@BlitzStudiosIsinsideyourhome You don't like the weight? I wear it alot, never bothered me. I hope adapter 2.0 comes out using 802.11ay. Supposedly that can send out 40 gigabits per second compared to the current 8 gbs of 802.11ad. Then we can really push some resolution and refresh rate.
@@yeshuasmc7436 Maybe not the weight but just the size cause it's fairly big, at least for me
Considering how much we all spend on identity protection packages these days, having FB pool your personal data in order to save 300-400 dollars for the OQ2 is ridiculous. If the Focus 3 was available for gaming and non-business apps (e.g. going for a walk with a friend, watching a movie, travelling around the world virtually on Google, participating in some tabletop gaming like Demeo etc.) I would get it immediately. The reason I have not got a VR headset yet is because I will not get a FB account. I know the price I'll pay for having one is not worth it in the long run.
Yeah you not going to be in vr for a loooong time
going to hold out with my quest 2, see if i can wait for quest 3 -predicted for 2022 ,
this release shows what display panel/resolution we’ll be getting & at a great price from oculus
Fyi, the great price is because of how valuable the data they steal off your kit is worth to them. Go look at how expensive monthly their "non-intrusive" quest 2 is.
@@evolicious what data do they get off my kit? That I play games?
6:57 Lithium Battery attached to the back of the skull...yep, killer feature.
you have one in your pocket almost all the time and that's fine?
I see what you did. the quest 2 one is on your face, so blinding feature?
Wow know what I'm glad I bought the quest 2
I’m quite tempted to get something to run some high quality PCVR games, but I feel this headset it just kind of “off” on what we all wanted? Like, the specs look great, but only the headset specs seem updated, like, a controller update would’ve been nice, seems a bit bittersweet.
Bruh the cosmos 3 just broke my heart why cant be for gaming too
Because HTC doesn't have a platform for it to play any games on it.
Really want that 120 FOV standalone headset, but that “for business user” statement makes me feel bad.It’s not just about the price, but the support for gamers will be very limited, most likely just a wireless steam VR headset without any entertainment apps from the standalone system itself
This is an awesome improvement. Once I upgrade my cpu i7 6700k I might be able to run it lol, my gpu I have a 6700xt. Soo in the future I will definitely grab one. The price sucks tho.
WAIT!!!!
Will the Vive Focus 3 have 120hz ? Just like the Valve Index or Oculus Quest 2? Will this be a feature that Vive will add as an update to the headset much like how Facebook did with the oculus quest 2 ? Don't get me wrong 90hz is great but with those visuals I would prefer playing it at 120hz if the headset even has that option which I'm hoping It does!!!
Well, if it uses the same screens as the Pro 2 it should be able to reach 120Hz.
Facebook/Quest hardware is Kryptonite to people who love liberty so that's a no go for me and a reason to be waiting for something good to come out of HTC and/or Valve. I went wireless a few years back, only a month after when I got my original HTC Vive and absolutely love that decison. I have absolutely no plan to wearing a leash again and will wait until something compliant with my needs hits the market.....My old HTC Vive sure has been a good investment and amazingly futureproof. Give me a full feature wireless Vive Pro 2 and I'll happily drop a thousand dollars to upgrade, but not until then. :-)
Liberty you on google with a phone that’s tracking you and speak about liberty you good
@@realpoorman3154 You don't know what tech I'm using. I'd scale back my tendency to make assumptions if I were you. Long live the Penguin and the Gnu!!! :-)
@@foxpupyou sound like a clown you do realize google owns RUclips and you have a RUclips account aka a google account and you on something that can be tracked right now but but liberty right go off the grid to have you liberty buddy
@@realpoorman3154 Your tendency to make assumptions is amazing. What makes you so sure I'm even using a trackable device? There are lots of options, not just i-phones and droids. Sometimes people actually use real computers and some of those computers are 100% the servants of their users unlike Windoze, and Macintosh. Not everyone uses Google Chrome either. You assume so much that you end up knowing less than nothing.
@@foxpup nvm see your RUclips channel clearly a Bunk Prepper China virus classy
if the tracking is up to snuff a striped down version of the focus 3 would be great, also with 120hz with a dedicated pc wireless dongle............with those I would happily pay the same as the vive pro 2 ($800 usd) if it could deliver (800 usd for focus 3 gamer edition, with controllers, 120hz, and usb wireless pc transmitter). some built in headphones would also be nice too. I think there is a gamer edition of the focus 3 full package at $800 with wireless pc dongle would appeal to many enthusiast
love ur vids
Hi, I am considering the vive pro 2 as my first VR set. Which other bits do I need to play Half Life 2 Lynx? i.e controller / base unit? Can you post the item links please. Is vive pro 2 wireless out of the box like the quest 2? Is quest 2 better?
Really waiting for the Wireless Steam VR test with this!
so its a bit better than the reverb g2, but double the price, wow ;P
I’d probably swap the controllers out with the valve knuckles controllers for the ultimate experience
Really like the look of the Focus3 and the swap-able battery is a great idea.
I made a cartridge for an extra battery on my Quest which I can swap over when it gets low so I don't have to stop playing to recharge.
I like the higher resolution but I didn't hear anything about having direct video throughput with a cable like the new Pico neo has and without that it's not really going to provide images at that resolution.
I'll be sticking with my OLED ogQuest it seems.
Might look at the Pico Neo when it comes west?
Thanks for the info, this is everything of note from Vivecon so no one has to waste their time watching it, they can just be disappointed faster. HTC has abandoned consumer VR at this point and that just saddens me.
Hey! Fellow Deca lover. Love your content.
I really just want a quality PCVR headset with 4k OLED and good FOV. It doesn't exist right now. Someone could make a lot of cash with such a rig. The immersive quality of OLED is magical, and it's just missing from all the current gen headsets. I'd drop $1000 on it today if it existed.
OLED is flawed and the worst display technology for VR. Literally no one wants to use garbage dirt cheap displays that have massive pixel persistence and latency for a platform that requires low latency and very fast pixel response.
I always ask myself: is the enterprise market this huge and demanding of HTC Headsets, that HTC can live just from that? I can't see a benefit of upgrading my Index to an Vive Pro 2 (just the resolution - but that's not worth the cost)... Eyetracking would have been a killer feature together with the Face-Controller though...
Are the controllers and base stations that there launching in august exactly the same as the old ones?
Yes. Just buy the Base Station 2.0 and a pair of index controllers. Please do not buy their package. The vive wands are horrible, and honestly... No VR controller beats the index, which makes this the best VR news in a while. The option to do wireless pc VR with higher than index fidelity.
I have vive pro wit da blue controllers n 2.0 base stations that came with it.was thinkin of selling it,duno how to go about sellin it as be hard 2 sell the headset alone.might just but the headset so and index controllers
@@darrenpatton7250 That's a tough one. It might be a hard sell, but hardware is coming hard to find... so maybe not.