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Being told someone no longer wants contact with you should result in self-reflection. Someone thinks you are so damaging that they don't want you in their life. Does that not maybe make you question what's up? Maybe question what you might have done? Nah, fuck that, it's the other person's fault, clearly... Hate the deflection
It’s just kind of sad to be honest, I mean my brother is Christian and even he will not go see my dad. I am gay and he called me the slur and my brother just left with his daughter. My mom was so mad at him but she understood on some level. Yeah you believe in a god that despises humanity, l don’t know why you do that. You want your triage here is the worst thing you can have. Believing all people deserve eternal suffering.
It's truly wild to me that they think they're not toxic when every time they see someone suffering they are strategizing ways to use that pain as a backdoor to convert you.
I remember providing aid to people and when we got back I was told that I was doing something wrong because if people were not willing to talk about Jesus I would still help them. I was told in no uncertain terms that the only reason we were doing this was to spread the word of God. I still think this is the most angry I have ever been just hearing this because, it’s disgusting. If we were not there to help people as our primary concern then Christianity how we are practicing it is simply wrong. If we are not there to help and we are the servants of Christ then that means Christ is not there to serve. We’re just lying to people including ourselves and I just can’t follow that. It’s why I find it so hard to say when I became an atheist. Perhaps that’s where I stopped believing in God an just started calling the good of humanity God out of fear of losing what I thought was the foundation of my morality. I realized they served nothing and I served my will for reducing pain in the world. But that’s not Christian faith it’s secular.
Really appreciate you reenforcing my antitheism, I was starting to go down the more lib stance of no we should tolerate these religions .. . and no, no we should not.
Right there with you. After a while it just gets tiring and you just get complacent and disheartened. But you're right, it damages people every day, it keeps atrocities normalized, the longer it goes on, the harder it is to free people from.
Being abused by an authority figure is abuse, go figure! Why do you think more people aren't trusting churches with their kids. But my sister didn't need religion to create a deep-seated distrust in her. Her kids are now going through church because she would have been shunned out of childcare if she didn't join that church when she moved there. Nobody deserves that.
My kids (actually adults now) and I are no-contact with my parents. The issue stems from their religious beliefs but boils down to my parents being bigots and my dad being manipulative and abusive. They believe all LGBTQ is a choice and all will burn in hell for it. One of my kids Is Bi. For obvious reasons they never came out to them. We as a family decided that if we don’t feel comfortable telling them then they have no place in our lives.
My parents made us go to Catholic Church every Sunday until my 20s. But I knew I should have been born a girl since I was 3 so I was just learning what my parents believed. I can't tell you how many times I was told indirectly I was going to hell. I didn't know words like Transgender, but I still had the intuition to know that's the kind of thing being preached
Raised atheist/agnostic... i know how you feel with the weird culture shock, constantly having to come to terms with the larger Xtian beliefs of many around me.
As someone who has deconstructed to answer Jake's question as to why you never think about it, if you're raised in the religion you're taught to terminate those thoughts if you have them. You're taught to wave it off as mysterious ways and that any bad is worked for some overall good endgame.
The fact they don't realize how abusive their "put down, put up" game of "You're sinner, but if you just brain off and obey us you are safe" doctrine is.. It's genuinely sad. But also infuriating. When *really* taken seriously, that doctrine leads to two kinds of people. Those who are utterly broken and desperate and think they don't even deserve to be saved... Or people who assume they're saved and that they're special chosen ones who are always in the right.
Raised christian, wanted to understand my place in the universe, studied the bible/theology/philosophy; went from christian to antitheist in about 3 years I'd guess
i think finding your own personal reason for existing and being part of the universe is so much more beautiful than regular religious beliefs and like new age spiritual stuff like "one with the universe" type vibes. i do somewhat belief in the whole "oneness of the universe"
Not sure if I count as a "gold star" atheist. I never believed, so I never had to lose any belief, but I was churched a bit. My family tried out a few Northern Baptist places. Some had racks of Chick Tracts. Some had crazy internal drama. For example, when the elderly organist was out of options and eventually decided she wanted to live apart from her senile husband who was becoming violent, they called her names and chased her out. We once invited a church over for some big religious get-together at our house, but the pastor started to abuse the neighbor's dog with a hose and got into a fight. The police came. My cousin eventually got involved with some church I'm not familiar with, which was associated with a militia. Long story short, money was stolen from the sick and elderly to pay for an armory. I had no idea bulletproof vests existed for babies. That resulted in some prison time. I don't know, maybe Michigan churches are just weird. But my grandfather was Methodist in Michigan and nothing like these stories seemed to happen to him.
honesttly, because i had so little contact with organized religion when i grew up, it took me a long time to truly grasp how big of a part it plays in a lot of people's lives. like, neither my parents nor my grandparents habe been particularly religious (my one grandma once was like 'well yeah its not as if the bible was meant literally, its just similes and metaphors for stuff', based
I didn't really encounter religious people until my teens, I always thought of religion as more of a mediaeval thing. I don't even know how many generations back in my family I'd have to look to find a religious ancestor of mine. The Internet was what taught me how many religious people there still are.
Pfft that’s insane but good i guess that you never encountered any kind of religious people until you were a teen, but what roads were you walking that led you to come across those sort of people when you were 15?
@@derpstick5467 When I went to a new school there were some kids in my class who were seventh day adventists. It took me some time to realise they were actually serious about it.
i never told my dad to not talk to me. I just stopped talking to him. my dad was the classic religious nut bag except he wasn't racist or violent. but thats it.
My dad’s not perfect because nobody is but he has done a lot of work to break family curses and religiously and violence is one of them and I’m super proud of
I grew up in a cult where they controlled all aspects of your life. My parents would make sure that I attended every time the doors were open. I gave my parents several chances to treat me with dignity and respect, and they, my dad was the most egregious, laughed at who I was (I'm a trans lesbian). The first time I took a break from them, I got daily I love you messages from my mum. I'm fully convinced that they don't know how to love properly.
I'm so sorry. I think you're right. It seems that your parents are so in love with their own idea of being righteous that they don't care who they stomp on to prove how "godly" they are. The only way to "win" that game is not to play, unfortunately...
My mom is still very religious. We don’t see eye to eye on the god question. But she still genuinely try to understand me and my POV. She still accepted my sister when she came out at queer. She has apologized about more Christian authoritative parenting practises she employed UNPROMPTED. I say that all that to say, if your apostate adult children are sending you no contact letters, you must be a pretty shitty parent outside of your religion (but probably justified/informed by it)
4:11 I was raised in a cult. When i was younger I discovered skepticism and began applying it. I came to the conclusion that the Christian god is evil, but it had been beaten into me to never question god, so it didn't occur to me to question whether god even existed until i was a full adult. I prayed to a god that i knew for a fact was evil into adulthood. I am a proud anti-theist and a gnostic-atheist. Depending on your upbringing, it just may not ever occur to you to question. (Edited for time stamp.)
I wonder how you could argue to know a god does not exist. Either way I bet it would make a neat podcast or something. I am a 40 something trans woman spiritual atheist...
@@aprilk141 you can know a specific god doesn’t exist. You can be a gnostic atheist specifically toward Zeus or Yahweh. Those gods we know do not exist. Same with probably every specific god humans have come up with. But you’re correct. You can’t actually _know_ that no gods at all exist. You can pretty sure. It’s incredibly unlikely any do, but to say you know, that you’re gnostic, is to lay on yourself the same burden of proof as religious people, a burden you cannot meet.
@@aprilk141 Any being I'd recognize as a god is inherently contradictory or incoherent. I say any being I'd recognize because there isn't just one kind of thing people call a god. Someone could argue that Marvel's Loki is a god but I wouldn't accept them as a god. They possess none of the attributes I associate with a god, and everything that would have god attributes is incoherent. I don't have certainty; I proportion my beliefs to the evidence, and all available evidence says no god.
@@joearnold6881 You contradict yourself. You say we can know specific gods don't exist then immediately say "specific gods humans have come up with." Those are the Only gods. Gods, as a concept, are entirely a made up human idea. I don't need certainty to claim knowledge an neither does anyone else. I might be wrong, that doesn't mean I don't know. In the future some new definition of a god might pop up, but it wouldn't be what I mean when I say god.
@@aprilk141How is the even possible. I'm a trans woman too and I used to say spiritual, but then I realized that's as dubious of a concept as believing in a god.
A lady once asked me what church I went to, I said I don't & her response was, but you're so nice. I was in shock that she would say something that evil.
It’s just so strange, like they have had the ability to see people who are not Christian as humans. My dad is like _”I love you, I gave you money!”_ yet that’s not love though. You don’t know how to love people outside the faith.
@n0etic_f0x my dad's the same way & it's annoying because I can see a glimpse of human in his eyes, he just won't bring it forward. So sad & frustrating
I was born a nihilist (as in I was born with all the lack of belief of a nihilist, I did not know the word until later). I was never baptised and my parents are both "ignostic". I pretty much instantly became hyper aggressive against religion. I can remember arguing against the existence of God when I was 6. It has always been clear to me how insane these beliefs are.
Raised agnostic /atheist and went to a Unitarian Universalist congregation. A literal church for agnostics... "not to think alike, but to walk together." If anyone is looking for a good progressive community that only talks about Christ on Xmas and Easter, as in "now we're going to talk about the christian mythos"... anyway, its good people. Terribly wholeseome and often dull, but thats what church is about no?
Church should be about crypts in the basement where spooky stuff happens. Yet another reason evangelicals suck. They usually have no basement crypts where you might get to fight a lich.
My deconstruction did not come with actual deconstruction but with intellectual irony. In fact my deconstruction occurred when i learned how little almost everyone understands about the religion. It took actually learning how christian doctrine works for me to shed my burdens. The issue a lot of people faultier on is when leaving the religion you loose any sort of objective moral standing and that can be tough for people who desire feeling good about themselves or ones decisions and direction. The moment i was alone with myself and i started the Jungian journey as they say, was the moment i actually got the point of what Jesus functionally does for people. The irony is that once you confront yourself and put in the work you actually become what Christianity wants you to be. The "complete" person would without the liturgical Skinner box that is the Church actually uphold what the doctrine tries to teach us. After all It is just ancient psychological alchemy.
My deconstruction was literally just me in my early teens walking myself through the concept of God from a logical perspective. I was not raised particularly Christian or particularly Secular so when I developed greater reasoning skills I was able to think for myself.
Same. I have a spread that I make with walnuts and cheese. You take about twice the volume of nuts to cheese and blend it until it’s like sand then put it in a pan pour hot oil over it to fry the nuts and melt the cheese. Then just spread it on bread or use it as a topping for chicken.
21:00 I was technically raised atheist, since my parents don’t believe in any all-seeing god, but I was raised to believe in cosmic spirits and interdimensional reincarnation.
Our house was mostly secular and sometimes my mom's friends or acquaintances were more religious. Not really going to church after my grandma died, I was too young to really remember much of that, and sometimes at grandpa's there was prayer at Thanksgiving before we ate. Most of seeing the really nasty, pushy stuff from religion was in college funny enough. Like "why did she say we need to convert everyone on campus? that's kinda rude to the other religious clubs" and that's me tonning down/simplifying how I felt about that at the time.
Honestly this should happen to Frank every time he talks. Frank if your all good religion is wicked then you are lying about it and you know it. If you don’t have an answer, and you don’t it simply can’t be true. If you want to admit that you follow an evil god okay we can talk but if not you are just brazenly lying to me.
I think I got religious trauma from my gramma. I never realized how lost in the religion sauce she was when I was younger, but she talks about heaven and hell all the time and stuff like that. Don’t remember a lot. I push out a lot of stuff from when I was younger cause I also have a lot of autism trauma from growing up autistic within a whole lotta neurotypical junk. I know my religious trauma wasn’t from my actual church, cause the actual bad stuff didn’t start going on or at least wasn’t noticed until after I stopped going. But my gramma also got a lot worse after 2016, cause now she’s also a hardcore MAGA and even deeper in the religion. Just to be clear, I have never been religious, I just went to church when I was younger cause I wasn’t about to be left by myself while my mom and brother went to church.
Cthulhu was also supposed to be unpronouncable and people tried sounding it out based on how it's written (I could be wrong, of course, I think there was a quote from Lovecraft where he expressed how he wanted it to pronounced).
*beating their chest* they howl, "im not a monkey youre a monkey" *pointing and panting* 'mocking laugh/wooping' "YOUR MONKEY IM MAN NOT MONKEY SCREEEEEEA"
This narrative from Christians baffles me. They're literally saying, "I am seen as such an unpleasant individual that my own family isn't speaking to me anymore, it must be everyone else who's wrong!"
That’s literally the woke crowd and I’ve seen it in person lmao. Yall love projecting. It’s truly sad. Hope you one day get your mental health back (probably unlikely).
I’m not afraid to tell a Christian they are in a death cult that worships a dead messiah. When they tell me that Jesus isn’t dead he was resurrected, I just say “so was Lazarus.. is he God as well?”
Jake, can you actually demonstrate why you think religion is harmful? Why do you think religious people are "freaks" and "weirdos"? I don't really see how you can claim to be someone's friend, and claim you love them, when you believe they're a freak or a weirdo for believing in a diety. You said at one point of the video "what if we just did science, and didn't make up any of this stuff" but where do you think science came from? The scientific method was invented by a Muslim man, the University was invented by a Muslim women, the Renaissance and Enlightenment were largely made possible by Muslim people striving to attain and preserve knowledge.
There is something deeply upsetting, and I think fundamentally ubsurd about this reddit atheist mindset toward religion. Of course, no one is bound to stay in contact with a family member who has a toxic religious views (and I do believe toxic relgion exists, for certain) but the notion that anyone and everyone who practices religion should be a 'social paraia" is innately toxic in and of itself. While religious belief is not for everyone, and all should have a right to that choice, swinigning in the opposite direction where everyone must reject notions about the metaphysical, lest they be ostrisized is innately bigotted, and just plain idiotic. This sort, of gnostic, fundamentalist atheism is horrifically ironic, in that they seemingly have forgotten the main function of skeptisim, and the main problems with the way religion has been used as a mechanism of control. Many people view atheism as a sort of 'freedom from religion" and while it is fine for you to feel that way, you cannot force that 'freedom' onto others, just as you cannot force people to accept christ as their savior. While some religion can manifest itself in toxic ways, there are plenty of people, for whom their relgion is a sort of freedom. "Do their beliefs harm others? Are they doing anything wrong? " is what you have to ask, and if you're unable to substantiate that they are, with anything aside from vauge notions about 'sky daddies' or "irriationality" then you truly have no reason to oppose their existence, than mere bigotry.
Calling one of the religions that's responsible for some of the worst acts of bigotry in history "toxic" isn't bigotry, It's just calling a spade a spade, You need to give up that persecution complex of yours my dude, it's making you say some really stupid stuff LOL
@@emoryogglethorp8180 'persecution complex' seems to insinuate that you believe I am a christian. I am not. regardless, the idea that christianity is why bigotry, is a narrow view of the matter at best. Though these things may often coincide, they're not mutually inclusive. The thought that most "insert the bad thing here" was done by religious people is innately flawed, as MOST people have been religious through out all of human history. The reason for bigotry is as myriad as the stars in the sky. if someone holds to a religious belief, like chrisitanity, but has elected to void the more problematic parts of their scripture, and the more hateful sects of their faith from their own social group, then there is no problem. If you'd obstinately refuse this, and insist still that to be christian is somehow inherently wrong, then your issue with religion is not the bigotry that it supposedly spawns, but religion it's self. You are just being a bigot, in the most literal sense of the word.
No one is forcing anything onto anyone. But for the person who believes religion and theism is directly harmful to the believer or the people around them, it is immoral to remain quiet and let them continue to harm themselves or others. There is a powerful distinction between, "You *shall not* be religious," and, "You *should not* be religious, and here is why." Calling it Reddit atheism is disingenuous when the more accurate description is something closer to questioning and prompting self-reflection. Let's take your question, "Are they harming anyone?" and apply it to any faith where they think being LGBTQ+ is sinful. The believer who thinks being anything other than male/female and heterosexual is one who, through their words or unspoken deeds, causes harm to those who do not fit those molds. I know: I am a crisis counselor for the queer community, and receive calls all the time from young people terrified of their parents if they find out. Even someone who keeps those beliefs quiet can inadvertently express their bigotry through their actions and microaggressions. And for the believer who wholeheartedly disagrees with their faith's stance on queer folk, is the antitheist not obligated to discourage them from contributing to their congregation's continued spreading of a gospel that fundamentally disagrees with the existence of certain types of people?
@@MagicalMedic right, I acknowledged that there are harmful forms of religion where bigotry and hate are baked into it fundamentally. My issue is the insinuation that these are essential to religion it's self, or are even essential to christian, jewish, or muslim beliefs. While scripture in each describes homosexuality as a sin, many of these faiths will leave these out of their interpersonal faith. Furthermore, bigotry toward queerness is not an intrinsic thing to religion. Plenty of reactionary atheists exist, who appeal to nature, even if they're wrong substantively, and philosophically. As for the authoritarian bit, I don't believe that saying someone is immoral, and should stop holding faith for their religion is fundamentally different from just saying "you cannot be religious". What is proposed by jake, and often times by these pseudo-intellectual reddit atheists, is a sort of social ostracization for religious people. Not bigots, not people who use religion as a toxic mechanism of control, just all religious people, period. There usually isn't room in their discussion for this distinction, as they believe they're intrinsically one in the same. That is a fundamentally authoritarian belief, even if you do not believe in using the power of the state to crack down upon them.
Why? Christians are the main topic. This is like telling a person who is bashing FPS games to bash platformers. He's on a topic. Let him hold that topic.
If you're really that hungry for critiques of other religions you could just look some up. I assure you there is no shortage of critiques of whacky ideas, christianity just happens to be among the loudest of them.
It's so funny how they cry when they get disowned and excommunicated suddenly their own tactics are soooo cruel.
The victim narrative they spin when they get cut off says it all
Being told someone no longer wants contact with you should result in self-reflection. Someone thinks you are so damaging that they don't want you in their life. Does that not maybe make you question what's up? Maybe question what you might have done? Nah, fuck that, it's the other person's fault, clearly...
Hate the deflection
It’s just kind of sad to be honest, I mean my brother is Christian and even he will not go see my dad. I am gay and he called me the slur and my brother just left with his daughter.
My mom was so mad at him but she understood on some level. Yeah you believe in a god that despises humanity, l don’t know why you do that.
You want your triage here is the worst thing you can have. Believing all people deserve eternal suffering.
It's truly wild to me that they think they're not toxic when every time they see someone suffering they are strategizing ways to use that pain as a backdoor to convert you.
I remember providing aid to people and when we got back I was told that I was doing something wrong because if people were not willing to talk about Jesus I would still help them.
I was told in no uncertain terms that the only reason we were doing this was to spread the word of God. I still think this is the most angry I have ever been just hearing this because, it’s disgusting.
If we were not there to help people as our primary concern then Christianity how we are practicing it is simply wrong.
If we are not there to help and we are the servants of Christ then that means Christ is not there to serve. We’re just lying to people including ourselves and I just can’t follow that.
It’s why I find it so hard to say when I became an atheist. Perhaps that’s where I stopped believing in God an just started calling the good of humanity God out of fear of losing what I thought was the foundation of my morality. I realized they served nothing and I served my will for reducing pain in the world. But that’s not Christian faith it’s secular.
Really appreciate you reenforcing my antitheism, I was starting to go down the more lib stance of no we should tolerate these religions .. . and no, no we should not.
Right there with you. After a while it just gets tiring and you just get complacent and disheartened. But you're right, it damages people every day, it keeps atrocities normalized, the longer it goes on, the harder it is to free people from.
Being abused by an authority figure is abuse, go figure! Why do you think more people aren't trusting churches with their kids.
But my sister didn't need religion to create a deep-seated distrust in her. Her kids are now going through church because she would have been shunned out of childcare if she didn't join that church when she moved there. Nobody deserves that.
My kids (actually adults now) and I are no-contact with my parents. The issue stems from their religious beliefs but boils down to my parents being bigots and my dad being manipulative and abusive. They believe all LGBTQ is a choice and all will burn in hell for it. One of my kids Is Bi. For obvious reasons they never came out to them. We as a family decided that if we don’t feel comfortable telling them then they have no place in our lives.
As a formerly very religious person, I cannot thank you enough for using truly hostile words against it now. Do not tolerate religion. Do not.
My parents made us go to Catholic Church every Sunday until my 20s. But I knew I should have been born a girl since I was 3 so I was just learning what my parents believed. I can't tell you how many times I was told indirectly I was going to hell.
I didn't know words like Transgender, but I still had the intuition to know that's the kind of thing being preached
Everyone agrees cults are bad but everyone in a cult denies that theyre in one
Raised atheist/agnostic... i know how you feel with the weird culture shock, constantly having to come to terms with the larger Xtian beliefs of many around me.
As someone who has deconstructed to answer Jake's question as to why you never think about it, if you're raised in the religion you're taught to terminate those thoughts if you have them. You're taught to wave it off as mysterious ways and that any bad is worked for some overall good endgame.
The fact they don't realize how abusive their "put down, put up" game of "You're sinner, but if you just brain off and obey us you are safe" doctrine is.. It's genuinely sad. But also infuriating.
When *really* taken seriously, that doctrine leads to two kinds of people. Those who are utterly broken and desperate and think they don't even deserve to be saved... Or people who assume they're saved and that they're special chosen ones who are always in the right.
Raised christian, wanted to understand my place in the universe, studied the bible/theology/philosophy; went from christian to antitheist in about 3 years I'd guess
i think finding your own personal reason for existing and being part of the universe is so much more beautiful than regular religious beliefs and like new age spiritual stuff like "one with the universe" type vibes. i do somewhat belief in the whole "oneness of the universe"
This video just reminded me that I misclassified Jake among my RUclips categories on the awesome PipePipe app.
Not sure if I count as a "gold star" atheist. I never believed, so I never had to lose any belief, but I was churched a bit.
My family tried out a few Northern Baptist places. Some had racks of Chick Tracts. Some had crazy internal drama. For example, when the elderly organist was out of options and eventually decided she wanted to live apart from her senile husband who was becoming violent, they called her names and chased her out. We once invited a church over for some big religious get-together at our house, but the pastor started to abuse the neighbor's dog with a hose and got into a fight. The police came.
My cousin eventually got involved with some church I'm not familiar with, which was associated with a militia. Long story short, money was stolen from the sick and elderly to pay for an armory. I had no idea bulletproof vests existed for babies. That resulted in some prison time. I don't know, maybe Michigan churches are just weird. But my grandfather was Methodist in Michigan and nothing like these stories seemed to happen to him.
3:50 Haha, my spouses reaction to my deconstruction was, "We should divorce."
Platinum star atheist here. ⭐
I'm a little late, but I am excited to see you cover this video. These are the two apologists that I have the hardest time not hating.
honesttly, because i had so little contact with organized religion when i grew up, it took me a long time to truly grasp how big of a part it plays in a lot of people's lives. like, neither my parents nor my grandparents habe been particularly religious (my one grandma once was like 'well yeah its not as if the bible was meant literally, its just similes and metaphors for stuff', based
I didn't really encounter religious people until my teens, I always thought of religion as more of a mediaeval thing. I don't even know how many generations back in my family I'd have to look to find a religious ancestor of mine. The Internet was what taught me how many religious people there still are.
Pfft that’s insane but good i guess that you never encountered any kind of religious people until you were a teen, but what roads were you walking that led you to come across those sort of people when you were 15?
@@derpstick5467 When I went to a new school there were some kids in my class who were seventh day adventists. It took me some time to realise they were actually serious about it.
cashew based parmesan is great, and yes I like the cashew taste in it. I also love that almond based dip called bitchin' sauce.
i never told my dad to not talk to me. I just stopped talking to him. my dad was the classic religious nut bag except he wasn't racist or violent. but thats it.
I love this channel
Just a heads up your Twitter link in your yt bio is incorrect
sometimes I feel like the only man in the world who had a good dad, like an actually good dad
This should be the norm, not the exception.
@@afreyjar_1989 Sadly...
My dad’s not perfect because nobody is but he has done a lot of work to break family curses and religiously and violence is one of them and I’m super proud of
14:10 - "Fix their theology" - Yep. Here's your problem: you don't understand nor want to recognise the problem: you.
who?
@@LORDOFGLOOP Alisa, based on the timestamp
@@LORDOFGLOOP The woman in the video that Actual Jake is commenting. How is that not clear with the timestamp and citation?
@skyinou yeah, I dunno how I missed the timestamp
fell asleep like ten minutes after asking the question, though, might hint at the issue
@@LORDOFGLOOP Ahah, hope you slept well then. 😄
I've always gone with more of a Rill (gill) YAY!
The idea is that it’s not supposed to be pronounceable, so whatever what you want, works
No contact = deconstructed
Hilarious and embarrassing
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Google cannot translate this and that's great 😂
Cool, now do Islam you Vaush clone 😂. Bro is scared and doesn’t want that real heat. Picks targets who would never fight back. Tough guy over here 🤡
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I grew up in a cult where they controlled all aspects of your life. My parents would make sure that I attended every time the doors were open. I gave my parents several chances to treat me with dignity and respect, and they, my dad was the most egregious, laughed at who I was (I'm a trans lesbian). The first time I took a break from them, I got daily I love you messages from my mum.
I'm fully convinced that they don't know how to love properly.
Woo! Cult buddies! Glad you got out.
@@tentalagim Likewise.
Getting out of the cult is hard. Getting the cult out of you can be more difficult.
@@afreyjar_1989 while its hard, its worth it.
I'm so sorry. I think you're right. It seems that your parents are so in love with their own idea of being righteous that they don't care who they stomp on to prove how "godly" they are. The only way to "win" that game is not to play, unfortunately...
People don't go NC from their parents lightly. If your kids do it, it's for a reason, and it's time to take a step back and re-evaluate yourself.
My mom is still very religious. We don’t see eye to eye on the god question.
But she still genuinely try to understand me and my POV. She still accepted my sister when she came out at queer. She has apologized about more Christian authoritative parenting practises she employed UNPROMPTED.
I say that all that to say, if your apostate adult children are sending you no contact letters, you must be a pretty shitty parent outside of your religion (but probably justified/informed by it)
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I was raised in a cult. When i was younger I discovered skepticism and began applying it. I came to the conclusion that the Christian god is evil, but it had been beaten into me to never question god, so it didn't occur to me to question whether god even existed until i was a full adult. I prayed to a god that i knew for a fact was evil into adulthood. I am a proud anti-theist and a gnostic-atheist. Depending on your upbringing, it just may not ever occur to you to question. (Edited for time stamp.)
I wonder how you could argue to know a god does not exist. Either way I bet it would make a neat podcast or something. I am a 40 something trans woman spiritual atheist...
@@aprilk141 you can know a specific god doesn’t exist.
You can be a gnostic atheist specifically toward Zeus or Yahweh.
Those gods we know do not exist. Same with probably every specific god humans have come up with.
But you’re correct. You can’t actually _know_ that no gods at all exist.
You can pretty sure. It’s incredibly unlikely any do, but to say you know, that you’re gnostic, is to lay on yourself the same burden of proof as religious people, a burden you cannot meet.
@@aprilk141 Any being I'd recognize as a god is inherently contradictory or incoherent. I say any being I'd recognize because there isn't just one kind of thing people call a god. Someone could argue that Marvel's Loki is a god but I wouldn't accept them as a god. They possess none of the attributes I associate with a god, and everything that would have god attributes is incoherent. I don't have certainty; I proportion my beliefs to the evidence, and all available evidence says no god.
@@joearnold6881 You contradict yourself. You say we can know specific gods don't exist then immediately say "specific gods humans have come up with." Those are the Only gods. Gods, as a concept, are entirely a made up human idea. I don't need certainty to claim knowledge an neither does anyone else. I might be wrong, that doesn't mean I don't know. In the future some new definition of a god might pop up, but it wouldn't be what I mean when I say god.
@@aprilk141How is the even possible. I'm a trans woman too and I used to say spiritual, but then I realized that's as dubious of a concept as believing in a god.
A lady once asked me what church I went to, I said I don't & her response was, but you're so nice. I was in shock that she would say something that evil.
Maybe nextime just say you go to the church of gigantic butt plugs, but say it with a french or german accent?
It’s just so strange, like they have had the ability to see people who are not Christian as humans.
My dad is like _”I love you, I gave you money!”_ yet that’s not love though. You don’t know how to love people outside the faith.
@n0etic_f0x my dad's the same way & it's annoying because I can see a glimpse of human in his eyes, he just won't bring it forward. So sad & frustrating
Because they tie Morality to Religion. So they can't fathom how someone can be non-religious and a good person.
Whenever people ask me where I go to church I just say “people still go to church?.. weird”.
Nick Cave's "Death is not the End" is sung with what I can only describe as horror at the prospect.
The scariest part is that there’s a Frenchman in the song.
I was born a nihilist (as in I was born with all the lack of belief of a nihilist, I did not know the word until later). I was never baptised and my parents are both "ignostic".
I pretty much instantly became hyper aggressive against religion. I can remember arguing against the existence of God when I was 6.
It has always been clear to me how insane these beliefs are.
Raised agnostic /atheist and went to a Unitarian Universalist congregation. A literal church for agnostics... "not to think alike, but to walk together."
If anyone is looking for a good progressive community that only talks about Christ on Xmas and Easter, as in "now we're going to talk about the christian mythos"... anyway, its good people. Terribly wholeseome and often dull, but thats what church is about no?
Church should be about crypts in the basement where spooky stuff happens.
Yet another reason evangelicals suck. They usually have no basement crypts where you might get to fight a lich.
or find community outside of religion? don't need to bring magical thinking into it
@@Verisimilitude-o3q this is almost that. It's an agnostic church, my guy. Look 'em up.
My deconstruction did not come with actual deconstruction but with intellectual irony. In fact my deconstruction occurred when i learned how little almost everyone understands about the religion.
It took actually learning how christian doctrine works for me to shed my burdens.
The issue a lot of people faultier on is when leaving the religion you loose any sort of objective moral standing and that can be tough for people who desire feeling good about themselves or ones decisions and direction.
The moment i was alone with myself and i started the Jungian journey as they say, was the moment i actually got the point of what Jesus functionally does for people.
The irony is that once you confront yourself and put in the work you actually become what Christianity wants you to be.
The "complete" person would without the liturgical Skinner box that is the Church actually uphold what the doctrine tries to teach us. After all It is just ancient psychological alchemy.
My deconstruction was literally just me in my early teens walking myself through the concept of God from a logical perspective. I was not raised particularly Christian or particularly Secular so when I developed greater reasoning skills I was able to think for myself.
Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nfah Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
source on that parm cashew stuff you were talking about? pls and ty 🖤
Same. I have a spread that I make with walnuts and cheese. You take about twice the volume of nuts to cheese and blend it until it’s like sand then put it in a pan pour hot oil over it to fry the nuts and melt the cheese.
Then just spread it on bread or use it as a topping for chicken.
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I was technically raised atheist, since my parents don’t believe in any all-seeing god, but I was raised to believe in cosmic spirits and interdimensional reincarnation.
Our house was mostly secular and sometimes my mom's friends or acquaintances were more religious. Not really going to church after my grandma died, I was too young to really remember much of that, and sometimes at grandpa's there was prayer at Thanksgiving before we ate. Most of seeing the really nasty, pushy stuff from religion was in college funny enough. Like "why did she say we need to convert everyone on campus? that's kinda rude to the other religious clubs" and that's me tonning down/simplifying how I felt about that at the time.
Honestly this should happen to Frank every time he talks. Frank if your all good religion is wicked then you are lying about it and you know it.
If you don’t have an answer, and you don’t it simply can’t be true. If you want to admit that you follow an evil god okay we can talk but if not you are just brazenly lying to me.
But what does God need with a Starship!?
Surely substitutionary atonement is supposed to be "this guy died for your sins, so don't worry about them."
I think I got religious trauma from my gramma. I never realized how lost in the religion sauce she was when I was younger, but she talks about heaven and hell all the time and stuff like that. Don’t remember a lot. I push out a lot of stuff from when I was younger cause I also have a lot of autism trauma from growing up autistic within a whole lotta neurotypical junk. I know my religious trauma wasn’t from my actual church, cause the actual bad stuff didn’t start going on or at least wasn’t noticed until after I stopped going. But my gramma also got a lot worse after 2016, cause now she’s also a hardcore MAGA and even deeper in the religion. Just to be clear, I have never been religious, I just went to church when I was younger cause I wasn’t about to be left by myself while my mom and brother went to church.
R’lyeh isn’t supposed to be pronounceable, so say it however you want
Cthulhu was also supposed to be unpronouncable and people tried sounding it out based on how it's written (I could be wrong, of course, I think there was a quote from Lovecraft where he expressed how he wanted it to pronounced).
@@bleakautomaton4808 Heh, when in doubt, humans love saying things phonetically.
*beating their chest* they howl, "im not a monkey youre a monkey" *pointing and panting* 'mocking laugh/wooping' "YOUR MONKEY IM MAN NOT MONKEY SCREEEEEEA"
I will accept their insults as valid only if I get to fling poo at the angry Jebus chimp.
This narrative from Christians baffles me. They're literally saying, "I am seen as such an unpleasant individual that my own family isn't speaking to me anymore, it must be everyone else who's wrong!"
That’s literally the woke crowd and I’ve seen it in person lmao. Yall love projecting. It’s truly sad. Hope you one day get your mental health back (probably unlikely).
You and this man are the same.
I’m not afraid to tell a Christian they are in a death cult that worships a dead messiah. When they tell me that Jesus isn’t dead he was resurrected, I just say “so was Lazarus.. is he God as well?”
also...if he was resurrected, then where the hell is he??? i mean surely if jesus was alive rn...he would say smth ?? lol
@@jannecapelle_art There are like thousands of people claiming/claimed to be jesus though 🤷♀
@@poigntless oh yeah true, good point. maybe everytime that happens, they believe it and are disappointed all over again when its not lmao
Jake, can you actually demonstrate why you think religion is harmful?
Why do you think religious people are "freaks" and "weirdos"? I don't really see how you can claim to be someone's friend, and claim you love them, when you believe they're a freak or a weirdo for believing in a diety.
You said at one point of the video "what if we just did science, and didn't make up any of this stuff" but where do you think science came from? The scientific method was invented by a Muslim man, the University was invented by a Muslim women, the Renaissance and Enlightenment were largely made possible by Muslim people striving to attain and preserve knowledge.
I'm 14 and this is deep
so true bestie❤️🔥
There is something deeply upsetting, and I think fundamentally ubsurd about this reddit atheist mindset toward religion. Of course, no one is bound to stay in contact with a family member who has a toxic religious views (and I do believe toxic relgion exists, for certain) but the notion that anyone and everyone who practices religion should be a 'social paraia" is innately toxic in and of itself.
While religious belief is not for everyone, and all should have a right to that choice, swinigning in the opposite direction where everyone must reject notions about the metaphysical, lest they be ostrisized is innately bigotted, and just plain idiotic. This sort, of gnostic, fundamentalist atheism is horrifically ironic, in that they seemingly have forgotten the main function of skeptisim, and the main problems with the way religion has been used as a mechanism of control.
Many people view atheism as a sort of 'freedom from religion" and while it is fine for you to feel that way, you cannot force that 'freedom' onto others, just as you cannot force people to accept christ as their savior. While some religion can manifest itself in toxic ways, there are plenty of people, for whom their relgion is a sort of freedom. "Do their beliefs harm others? Are they doing anything wrong? " is what you have to ask, and if you're unable to substantiate that they are, with anything aside from vauge notions about 'sky daddies' or "irriationality" then you truly have no reason to oppose their existence, than mere bigotry.
Calling one of the religions that's responsible for some of the worst acts of bigotry in history "toxic" isn't bigotry, It's just calling a spade a spade, You need to give up that persecution complex of yours my dude, it's making you say some really stupid stuff LOL
@@emoryogglethorp8180 'persecution complex' seems to insinuate that you believe I am a christian. I am not. regardless, the idea that christianity is why bigotry, is a narrow view of the matter at best. Though these things may often coincide, they're not mutually inclusive. The thought that most "insert the bad thing here" was done by religious people is innately flawed, as MOST people have been religious through out all of human history. The reason for bigotry is as myriad as the stars in the sky.
if someone holds to a religious belief, like chrisitanity, but has elected to void the more problematic parts of their scripture, and the more hateful sects of their faith from their own social group, then there is no problem. If you'd obstinately refuse this, and insist still that to be christian is somehow inherently wrong, then your issue with religion is not the bigotry that it supposedly spawns, but religion it's self. You are just being a bigot, in the most literal sense of the word.
No one is forcing anything onto anyone. But for the person who believes religion and theism is directly harmful to the believer or the people around them, it is immoral to remain quiet and let them continue to harm themselves or others.
There is a powerful distinction between, "You *shall not* be religious," and, "You *should not* be religious, and here is why." Calling it Reddit atheism is disingenuous when the more accurate description is something closer to questioning and prompting self-reflection.
Let's take your question, "Are they harming anyone?" and apply it to any faith where they think being LGBTQ+ is sinful. The believer who thinks being anything other than male/female and heterosexual is one who, through their words or unspoken deeds, causes harm to those who do not fit those molds. I know: I am a crisis counselor for the queer community, and receive calls all the time from young people terrified of their parents if they find out. Even someone who keeps those beliefs quiet can inadvertently express their bigotry through their actions and microaggressions. And for the believer who wholeheartedly disagrees with their faith's stance on queer folk, is the antitheist not obligated to discourage them from contributing to their congregation's continued spreading of a gospel that fundamentally disagrees with the existence of certain types of people?
@@MagicalMedic right, I acknowledged that there are harmful forms of religion where bigotry and hate are baked into it fundamentally. My issue is the insinuation that these are essential to religion it's self, or are even essential to christian, jewish, or muslim beliefs. While scripture in each describes homosexuality as a sin, many of these faiths will leave these out of their interpersonal faith. Furthermore, bigotry toward queerness is not an intrinsic thing to religion. Plenty of reactionary atheists exist, who appeal to nature, even if they're wrong substantively, and philosophically.
As for the authoritarian bit, I don't believe that saying someone is immoral, and should stop holding faith for their religion is fundamentally different from just saying "you cannot be religious". What is proposed by jake, and often times by these pseudo-intellectual reddit atheists, is a sort of social ostracization for religious people. Not bigots, not people who use religion as a toxic mechanism of control, just all religious people, period. There usually isn't room in their discussion for this distinction, as they believe they're intrinsically one in the same. That is a fundamentally authoritarian belief, even if you do not believe in using the power of the state to crack down upon them.
Kwl now say Islam is bad, Judaism is bad
Why? Christians are the main topic. This is like telling a person who is bashing FPS games to bash platformers. He's on a topic. Let him hold that topic.
That persecution complex of yours really has you thinking atheist only talk about christians, your religion forces some weird blind spots on you LOL
Jesus this, Moses that, Abraham hit me with a whiffle ball bat.
If you're really that hungry for critiques of other religions you could just look some up. I assure you there is no shortage of critiques of whacky ideas, christianity just happens to be among the loudest of them.
both are cringe