Why are there so many ad hominem comments here? I have read Nussbaum, took a course with her, and read some of her work closely and critically. If one has an argument against what she says here, then it should be given, not stupid comments about accents and ignorant comments about her supposed haughtiness.
As the Yin incorporates a little of Yang so it is vice versa, Thank you Martha for being a poet of understanding the logos that we have in the Yang aspect of Emotions.
I don't think anger never comes with that wish to sympathize with others. And sometimes is a useful resource to communicate our own boundaries. And sometimes it works. Are there "types" of anger? ...
I would love to hear the professor discuss the butterfly effect which has to do with chaos theory. Natural Law is the only true law which requires righteous anger. As above, so below, it cannot be prevented but only delayed. Debt ( negative) must and always is repaid ( positive)
"Anger is popular"? Anger contains a "pleasant hope" for retribution, punishment? Not the recognition and correction, re-balancing, of transgression? Ahimsa was about non-anger, not non-violence? The furyes were not the only cthonic forces operating in Greek religion. Hubris and Nemesis seem more apposite to her theory of "status" transgression and restoration. There is a "pleasant hope" in her race-centric focus of anger. A hope that it would translate well to the problems of Jews and Muslims in Israel/Palestine. I much prefer a theory I've heard is attributed to Adam Smith the philosopher/economist. Beneficence - do good to others. Justice -punishment of others. Justice was "required" in order for the catharsis of anger (resentment and hate) back to beneficence. The question then becomes if the punishment not only fits the crime, but if it fits the trangressor and the transgressed. That question, today, is decided by democratic governments. So it must further be asked if democratic governments are doing a good job of making and enforcing the laws of internal justice; or if they are distracted by economics and foreign entanglements so as to neglect justice. Justice within reflects justice outside, or as Jesus put it: "take the beam out of your eye..." before remarking on the mote in another's eye.
Придите ко мне все труждающиеся и обременённые, и я успокою вас. Возьмите иго моё на себя и научитесь от Меня, что я кроток и смирен сердцем, и найдёте покой душам вашим, ибо иго моё благо, и бремя моё легко. Глубокое значение этого. Всё беспокойство только от несмирения. Если быть готовым ко всякому унижению, то какое спокойствие! И как легко! и научитесь от Меня, ибо я кроток и смирен, унижен сердцем. Будьте смиренны, и тогда только найдёте покой душам вашим.
I wish somebody could have asked her about Christ's treatment of figs and pigs. The money-changers I can understand. I feel angry about them myself. But figs and pigs! What had they done?
nothing. I thing there is a misunderstanding. sometimes it is helpful to have someone to talk to about questions like this, who is really into the genealogy of the new testament and it's relation to the old testament and so on. I would not be alble to solve this issue you have with this picture over youtube. also my skills are not that sophisticated so I could try it in a concise way. but I am sure there is someone where you live. even in sciences when you prefer. (stay with the key message when in doubt. it's hard but more distinct)
+Nursen Nursen ... I get a lot of JWs coming to my door because I live near one of their 'Kingdom Halls', and I have asked them, but didn't really get a satisfactory reply.
oh my god!!!! ;-D you need assistance for sure. avoid such people and also if you e.g. try to get in contact with a theologian or read a book than try first those that are not too tightly linked with an institution they feel obligated to (although e.g. David Steindl-Rast is and example of someone who is connected with an religious institution as monk and still detached. therefore sometimes attacked by very orthodox scenes of his own church. he is someone I appreciate for other reasons). I have found some persons to relate to here in europe in the german speaking regions. there approaches really did help me understand some issues I had with some texts, but most of the time, while they where explaining something else or somethng more general. not always the story I that was bothering me at that time. unfortunately I cannot give you any names or text to reed in english as those are german texts and professors. just take into account that pig's had a negativ connotation that didn't exclusively relate to the standing of pig's in judaism per se. as animals held to provide the roman legions there is a very political statement in this narrative. and if that relates to the very origin narrative to what really happened there or an additional political message woven into the text is hard to tell. that is why I would rather suggest, when in doubt, measure the message of the new testament with the core message that is given in the sermon of the mount and in the key scenes in the garden of Gethsemane, on the cross.... no matter how hard that might seem in context of one's own life
MsNussbaum is a pontificator, moralism is not logical but appealing to emotio. It is ridiculous to say that anger is aifight or flight mechanism, No anger is the reaction when the gulf between expectation and reality. It is an ontolgical issue. Aristotle was inapable of understanding this and neither is MsNussbaum
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She is such an inspiration. Incredible thinker and use of literature in philosophy is done so well. A real genius.
Thank you Professor.
Why are there so many ad hominem comments here? I have read Nussbaum, took a course with her, and read some of her work closely and critically. If one has an argument against what she says here, then it should be given, not stupid comments about accents and ignorant comments about her supposed haughtiness.
As the Yin incorporates a little of Yang so it is vice versa, Thank you Martha for being a poet of understanding the logos that we have in the Yang aspect of Emotions.
Excellent quality . This is a good summary of Nussbaum's views on Anger. Thank you very much for uploading
Also, why think that anger excludes the possibility to think also about the pain and not just about the social status?
Aristotle's definition of anger 11:58
very erudite, thank you for sharing!
Elite, thank you for sharing
I don't think anger never comes with that wish to sympathize with others. And sometimes is a useful resource to communicate our own boundaries. And sometimes it works. Are there "types" of anger? ...
Well, after watching the entire lecture, I have a query.
What is she drinking at 56:25?
I would love to hear the professor discuss the butterfly effect which has to do with chaos theory. Natural Law is the only true law which requires righteous anger. As above, so below, it cannot be prevented but only delayed. Debt ( negative) must and always is repaid ( positive)
"Anger is popular"? Anger contains a "pleasant hope" for retribution, punishment? Not the recognition and correction, re-balancing, of transgression?
Ahimsa was about non-anger, not non-violence?
The furyes were not the only cthonic forces operating in Greek religion. Hubris and Nemesis seem more apposite to her theory of "status" transgression and restoration.
There is a "pleasant hope" in her race-centric focus of anger. A hope that it would translate well to the problems of Jews and Muslims in Israel/Palestine.
I much prefer a theory I've heard is attributed to Adam Smith the philosopher/economist. Beneficence - do good to others. Justice -punishment of others. Justice was "required" in order for the catharsis of anger (resentment and hate) back to beneficence. The question then becomes if the punishment not only fits the crime, but if it fits the trangressor and the transgressed. That question, today, is decided by democratic governments. So it must further be asked if democratic governments are doing a good job of making and enforcing the laws of internal justice; or if they are distracted by economics and foreign entanglements so as to neglect justice. Justice within reflects justice outside, or as Jesus put it: "take the beam out of your eye..." before remarking on the mote in another's eye.
I subscribe to this philosophy
this could be summed up: anger is not in your best interest, it is a flawed/irrational concept.
Is it a concept?
Придите ко мне все труждающиеся и обременённые, и я успокою вас.
Возьмите иго моё на себя и научитесь от Меня, что я кроток и смирен сердцем, и найдёте покой душам вашим, ибо иго моё благо, и бремя моё легко.
Глубокое значение этого.
Всё беспокойство только от несмирения.
Если быть готовым ко всякому унижению, то какое спокойствие!
И как легко! и научитесь от Меня, ибо я кроток и смирен, унижен сердцем.
Будьте смиренны, и тогда только найдёте покой душам вашим.
I wish somebody could have asked her about Christ's treatment of figs and pigs. The money-changers I can understand. I feel angry about them myself. But figs and pigs! What had they done?
nothing. I thing there is a misunderstanding. sometimes it is helpful to have someone to talk to about questions like this, who is really into the genealogy of the new testament and it's relation to the old testament and so on. I would not be alble to solve this issue you have with this picture over youtube. also my skills are not that sophisticated so I could try it in a concise way. but I am sure there is someone where you live. even in sciences when you prefer. (stay with the key message when in doubt. it's hard but more distinct)
+Nursen Nursen ... I get a lot of JWs coming to my door because I live near one of their 'Kingdom Halls', and I have asked them, but didn't really get a satisfactory reply.
oh my god!!!! ;-D you need assistance for sure. avoid such people and also if you e.g. try to get in contact with a theologian or read a book than try first those that are not too tightly linked with an institution they feel obligated to (although e.g. David Steindl-Rast is and example of someone who is connected with an religious institution as monk and still detached. therefore sometimes attacked by very orthodox scenes of his own church. he is someone I appreciate for other reasons).
I have found some persons to relate to here in europe in the german speaking regions. there approaches really did help me understand some issues I had with some texts, but most of the time, while they where explaining something else or somethng more general. not always the story I that was bothering me at that time. unfortunately I cannot give you any names or text to reed in english as those are german texts and professors. just take into account that pig's had a negativ connotation that didn't exclusively relate to the standing of pig's in judaism per se. as animals held to provide the roman legions there is a very political statement in this narrative. and if that relates to the very origin narrative to what really happened there or an additional political message woven into the text is hard to tell. that is why I would rather suggest, when in doubt, measure the message of the new testament with the core message that is given in the sermon of the mount and in the key scenes in the garden of Gethsemane, on the cross.... no matter how hard that might seem in context of one's own life
Nietzsche's sublimation.
I think my professor hates me.
MsNussbaum is a pontificator, moralism is not logical but appealing to emotio. It is ridiculous to say that anger is aifight or flight mechanism, No anger is the reaction when the gulf between expectation and reality. It is an ontolgical issue. Aristotle was inapable of understanding this and neither is MsNussbaum
that makes no sense
What do you mean that Aristotle's position is the same as Ms. Nussbaum? Are you basing that on this speech or on a reading of Aristotle?
Nussbaum speaks like the stereotypical high british society intellectual.
She thinks she's still hot. Hahaha
She is tho
you are pathetic, and your stupid videos suck hahaha
How is that relevant?
misogynist much?
She is hot.
I'm sorry, but listening to nussbaum is just, 'ugghhhhhh'.
and you are free to not listen? or...