What to do when winning a lane: - The enemy should get NO xp: you cut all the trees with quelling blade so they can't leech xp - Last hit from AHEAD of the creep wave where the other carry can't even get close to the wave - Buy boots and no more stats (stats is for contesting last hits, for uncontested last hits you don't care) - Kill their tower efficiently by creating a triple wave. The trick is to wait for the siege creep wave, ONLY kill the range creep and nothing else, and a triple wave will build up - After you won the lane, TANK up. The only way they get back to the game is killing you. For example, dragon lance, BKB as a viper
A lot of this applies to LoL as well... Wave management is a little harder since you can't kill your own minions to control said waves... but knowing how to play around the tower minions is the same. Knowing how to zone enemies is also key. Buying boots to control spacing more when stronger is also key in lane. Getting tanky when ahead and those behind being forced to build glass cannon is also common. For all these games diverged and developed over the last 10 years... They still are not that different.
@@nocturnaljoe9543 It's a meme. Aui_2000 got kicked from EG a week after TI5, which Arkosh mimicked in its tweet firing him right after their loss in the TI10 qualifiers.
He's basically talking about macro game. Understanding your objectives and item timings pushes you up several ranks if you can get that right. You can beat a team more mechanically skilled than you if you just have a better understanding of macro game. Players that don't take objectives will basically wait for you to get enough farm to win the game. And that's the whole point of this video. The game was way harder than it needed to be because they played safe just to get a higher networth and then ended up giving back a lot of their advantage to the morphing. This can be game losing and without macro understanding you won't even realize you're about to lose.
@@clarkmeyer7211 im a former ancient player dropped to crusader coz of many meta changes but my spiderman senses was right. Morphling is recovering even tho he had a bad start. Every right click on the ground, every last hit you get, when to farm, when to push or when to rosh is very crucial. Its like each movement you're making should be calculated. No room even for slightest mistake. 1 false move and you lose.
@@dota2go802 well almost. I'd say 1 false move MORE than your opponent the worse it is for your chance of winning. obviously the draft determines how unforgiving mistakes can be but overall I think players struggle to progress because the are trying to hard to improve small details while forgetting the basics. in other words there are so many guardians that can manta dodge a projectile but don't know when to pull a wave.
@@clarkmeyer7211 thats literally my point tho but I agree with that. I dont know if tournaments are the reason for this. I mean take a look.. Most people who watch pro scene are playing the game as well. Whats the impact? Only major movements will be remembered. But they dont know how important these pros doing before amd after engaging to team fights. They never recognize that theres a pattern for better farming like stacking your own if you are aware of the timer. very small detail like that can make a huge difference between good and bad players. It may not secure your mmr but it will sure improve your skill as a player. If you do it constantly youll win most of the games than losing.
Damn this coach is good.He should compete in TI. Haha seriously though, this is the most detailed analysis I've seen in like forever. Hopefully we can see more of this awesome content in the future.
One thing that makes you unique from other Dota RUclipsrs is that in your videos is that not that you only explain the things much better and easier for the viewers to understand but also you've a very good sense of humor, love your content man keep it up.
These analysis videos are so informative. Coz to learn a few mechanics and processes you need to play a hero or a role for years and years but you get to learn this from others and the reasonings and then impliment them into your gameplay.
i remember watching some top play video for league (like 10 years ago) where one of the plays was someone slow pushing a lane by killing only part of the creeps in the wave and then joining a team fight, making so it triple/quadruple waved and did a lot of structural damage if unanswered. The idea of slow-pushing is quite mind-blowing if you never considered it before. The doubling/tripling of waves is a pretty useful tool for an offlaner especially against non-wave-clearing safelane heroes who can get overwhelmed under their tower. It's frequently seen with timbersaw since he tanks the wave but doesn't push it that fast before level 6 and it means if the carry doesn't aggro the creeps back multiple times for their tower to help them clear the wave, they end up getting overwhelmed.
@@roach7616 lol sure I mean so many people know I think it’s fine to say. It’s BSJ is Pale horse, gremlo is Jenkins, Shaggy is Canus Vulpis, I forget the 4 name but I believe it used to be capitalist originally but for awhile now it’s been Newsham, and the 5 used to be god Z before Aui2000 and if Jenkins doesn’t want people to know he can delete or hide this comment
@@TG-jv8lf I completely thought it was a meme that BSJ and jenkins were in the squad and surprised they got pretty good results in the lower DPC. thanks for info!
This is the best series, so we can see the argument that you guys made, if just 1 person analyzing it seems bias but with the two of you guys presenting it like this, it's much more enjoyable to watch and learn and seeing the game much broader.
Honestly the additon of both of you to the talent at dota commentary has really raised the bar, and has made the whole experience way more fun and insightful, somehow at the same time
0:23 holy shit 20 seconds in and I'm already out of breath Also after watching the rest, god-level insight and analysis, thank you both for this lesson!
I was actually wondering why no one ever talks about killing the range creep on a lane to create a heavy push. Very easy way to ensure that the other two lanes are being pushed while grouping to push one lane with aegis or using it defensively while the opponent is grouping for a highground push. I've been doing it for years, while playing support yet never heard about it from any guy posting video guides on youtube. Is it that precious to share with others?! WP AUI!
This is the difference between High mmr content creators and real pro players. Bsj and the guy from liquid has the same vibes as this one. You can really see what makes them a pro.
@@MichaelSotoCE the game doesn't show it but ranged deal a lot more damage to melee creeps than their damage number shows. It is way more valuable (and easier) to kill them than killing one or two melee. Furthermore, ranged can hide behind melee creeps
@@MichaelSotoCE yes exactly. The plan is to *not* lose creeps to the *enemy's creep wave*. You basically buy time for another wave to arrive, effectively making it a "double wave". If the enemy does not respond at all, with rotations, the tower will most likely die (in lower ranked pubs).
As someone from SEA that supported EG from before AUI's time up to now. I'm really happy how he mentioned SEA players would've known how to play the scenario. Thanks AUI 💕
6:20 I recently started playing league of legends, to see how the games compare. Turns out slow pushing is huge there, being a staple of their wave management. Can't wait to apply what I've learned from league to dota.
Not trying to throw shade at folks or anything, but I really like and appreciate Aui's approach to coaching and the game itself. Dude's really humble, and you can feel his passion about the game, plus the 200IQ on top. I've seen other top tier players trying to explain mechanics, and they often come off as egocentric, or on a high horse. Like, bruh we don't have the time to play 10 hours per day every day and try and test every single mechanic or learn every little detail in game. Sometimes we need some external help, and I'm honestly happy that folks like you, Jenkins; Aui, and Sunsfan are out there to help us out getting better.
You don’t know it well enough .. you think you do. The games at divine 5 bracket is totally totally very different from any other bracket based on the way they play. In a divine 5 game they start kicking the pos1 from his lane at 6 minutes into the game and then occupy the jungle so there’s no space for the pos1 to farm. Then they will slowly do that and they are in the right part of the map till you realiZe that shit you picked the wrong hero for the game and it’s over . 15 min the game is over and they are pushing high ground . Game ends in 25 minutes . While in divine 1-3 bracket there’s still this idea of pos1 can safe nc till 20 minutes then while thr offlaner, mid and support will run around making space and game ends in 40 minutes .
@@johnnychannarong5484 I was just watching some Immortal game previously it's actually 60min long 🤣 By your logic those divine player wouldnt Know about high tier neutral gear 🤣 Great job in dishing myth to make u looks cool.. Ppl. Just take advantage because most. Ppl just an ancient from sea like me.. So what do I know.. I am ancient 🤣 they are divine.. But we sometimes meet few. Divine player.. But the ironic part sometimes. There is legend player that actually play better.. What they need to. fix the most is that match making system.. Making u stuck in ur bracket because for. Every win u get.. There's always more. Free. Lost
I hope sir jenkins can do some DOTA podcast with a Guest in SEA professional players. this will increase your reach and know the perspective of players in SEA
love this kind of content Jenkins. I'm only subscribed to you, but i wish i had a bit of spare cash so i could chip in. You put a lot of effort into getting quality content out for the viewers.
Serouisly I was thinking the video won't give that much informations but now I regret not watching it. I like how he's explaining how they play against the morph
rep[ly to this cemment if u think i should get coach by another ti winer like artezy or peter dragon
I can coach you if u want I'm a professional feeder
Rtz would be nice
Let me coach you, I am herald 2 king, much information is available,.
u should definitely get coached by ti winer masao on anger management in dota
Give me dragon claw pls
fullscreened and was not disappointed
Jenkins is a stud not sure what he was rattling on about at the beginning
You're really good at getting into the mind of Gremlo
ty
can you convince Aui to make more of these videos on his own channel so I can subscribe to him instead? thanks in advance
ye
trying my best. he will be making stuff soon
Does it reads: "can you convince him to make more videos like this so I can unsubscribe from your channel and subscribe to his channel instead?"
@@tulgaenkhtaivan8174 this is how i see it from his wordings
That's rude.
it just goes to show how much players that eat live and breathe dota know more and understand more about this game than the usual chad
But a chad picks warlock - makes aghs , makes orb and have fun
What to do when winning a lane:
- The enemy should get NO xp: you cut all the trees with quelling blade so they can't leech xp
- Last hit from AHEAD of the creep wave where the other carry can't even get close to the wave
- Buy boots and no more stats (stats is for contesting last hits, for uncontested last hits you don't care)
- Kill their tower efficiently by creating a triple wave. The trick is to wait for the siege creep wave, ONLY kill the range creep and nothing else, and a triple wave will build up
- After you won the lane, TANK up. The only way they get back to the game is killing you. For example, dragon lance, BKB as a viper
A lot of this applies to LoL as well...
Wave management is a little harder since you can't kill your own minions to control said waves... but knowing how to play around the tower minions is the same.
Knowing how to zone enemies is also key.
Buying boots to control spacing more when stronger is also key in lane.
Getting tanky when ahead and those behind being forced to build glass cannon is also common.
For all these games diverged and developed over the last 10 years...
They still are not that different.
@@ArkAngelHFB nb
don't forget denying them creep pulls and camps by body blocking
ah yes, ti winner Aui_liedie
"Arkosh is a joke team"
'It's real to me damnit!'
This video was terrible. It didn't end with Aui_2000 being kicked of his own stream.
@@KenshiroPlayDotA wtf
@@nocturnaljoe9543 It's a meme. Aui_2000 got kicked from EG a week after TI5, which Arkosh mimicked in its tweet firing him right after their loss in the TI10 qualifiers.
@@KenshiroPlayDotA Ty for educating me on this very important topic.
black widow reference? lol
Aui is awesome, like-able, and extremely knowledgeable about the game.
He makes a great coach! Love his casting as well.
and he has nice clothes
"I doubt you fullscreened it" - ...clicking on the fullscreen button
its really interesting to hear someone explain some game mechanics that you already know how it works but cant explain to others in detail
U didnt know all the things he said, no1 has ever said details of tower and lane trades like this and all the details
@@WhitePerson- You know you could just figure it out by yourself right, some people don't have to learn how to play dota only from yt lol.
@@scytheofvyse1264 if u figured shit like this on your own you would be a high immortal level player
@@eloelo6944 unless you just didn't play ranked xD
@@eloelo6944 In fact, I am immortal rank.
Some of the concepts Aui talks about is literally too complex for my legend brain to comprehend
samee lolol
He's basically talking about macro game. Understanding your objectives and item timings pushes you up several ranks if you can get that right. You can beat a team more mechanically skilled than you if you just have a better understanding of macro game. Players that don't take objectives will basically wait for you to get enough farm to win the game. And that's the whole point of this video. The game was way harder than it needed to be because they played safe just to get a higher networth and then ended up giving back a lot of their advantage to the morphing. This can be game losing and without macro understanding you won't even realize you're about to lose.
@@clarkmeyer7211 im a former ancient player dropped to crusader coz of many meta changes but my spiderman senses was right. Morphling is recovering even tho he had a bad start. Every right click on the ground, every last hit you get, when to farm, when to push or when to rosh is very crucial. Its like each movement you're making should be calculated. No room even for slightest mistake. 1 false move and you lose.
@@dota2go802 well almost. I'd say 1 false move MORE than your opponent the worse it is for your chance of winning. obviously the draft determines how unforgiving mistakes can be but overall I think players struggle to progress because the are trying to hard to improve small details while forgetting the basics. in other words there are so many guardians that can manta dodge a projectile but don't know when to pull a wave.
@@clarkmeyer7211 thats literally my point tho but I agree with that. I dont know if tournaments are the reason for this. I mean take a look.. Most people who watch pro scene are playing the game as well. Whats the impact? Only major movements will be remembered. But they dont know how important these pros doing before amd after engaging to team fights. They never recognize that theres a pattern for better farming like stacking your own if you are aware of the timer. very small detail like that can make a huge difference between good and bad players. It may not secure your mmr but it will sure improve your skill as a player. If you do it constantly youll win most of the games than losing.
Damn this coach is good.He should compete in TI. Haha seriously though, this is the most detailed analysis I've seen in like forever. Hopefully we can see more of this awesome content in the future.
Yep i thought i had a thorough and powerful understanding of it all and this ninja starts talking about creep timings and power spikes -_-
It’s Aui2000, he is a TI winner 😂
@@Skrunch123 its a goddamn Joke bro, of course he knew lmao
KEKWait
lol
One thing that makes you unique from other Dota RUclipsrs is that in your videos is that not that you only explain the things much better and easier for the viewers to understand but also you've a very good sense of humor, love your content man keep it up.
Happy to get new doto knowldge
Sad to see no outro
as a pos 1 player, I learned a lot from this, many thanks Jenkins and Aui !
Got back to this video after aui winning another TI as a coach omg
Wanted Arkosh to go to TI for the memes but the games were entertaining so it's all good.
These analysis videos are so informative. Coz to learn a few mechanics and processes you need to play a hero or a role for years and years but you get to learn this from others and the reasonings and then impliment them into your gameplay.
Aui validating sea players at 17:00 is best thing happening to me all day
It’s almost like he’s Asian!! Weird
reciving one party invitation
jenkins: damn ur popular
What do you mean by his popular? I don't understand
@@naqibr93 that he is famous nd gets a lot of invites nd friend requests nd shit
@@stormspirit-8983 You clearly didnt get it. Didnt you? LOL!
@@naqibr93 if u r jokin ... then this is a bad joke buddy cause whats funny bout that
@@stormspirit-8983 ur= your, u're = you're
This video is genius, the intro the setup and the content are all awesome!
This might be one of my favorite videos of yours. More pro coaching!
This Gremlo guy makes a great focus for the coaching
i remember watching some top play video for league (like 10 years ago) where one of the plays was someone slow pushing a lane by killing only part of the creeps in the wave and then joining a team fight, making so it triple/quadruple waved and did a lot of structural damage if unanswered. The idea of slow-pushing is quite mind-blowing if you never considered it before.
The doubling/tripling of waves is a pretty useful tool for an offlaner especially against non-wave-clearing safelane heroes who can get overwhelmed under their tower. It's frequently seen with timbersaw since he tanks the wave but doesn't push it that fast before level 6 and it means if the carry doesn't aggro the creeps back multiple times for their tower to help them clear the wave, they end up getting overwhelmed.
AUI lowkey spoiling who's in Arkosh lmao
Lol right! Although I mean at this point anyone who is a big pro dota fan knows the players on arkosh
@@TG-jv8lf can u inform me on who the players are? been wanting to know for so long lmao
@@roach7616 lol sure I mean so many people know I think it’s fine to say. It’s BSJ is Pale horse, gremlo is Jenkins, Shaggy is Canus Vulpis, I forget the 4 name but I believe it used to be capitalist originally but for awhile now it’s been Newsham, and the 5 used to be god Z before Aui2000 and if Jenkins doesn’t want people to know he can delete or hide this comment
@@TG-jv8lf I completely thought it was a meme that BSJ and jenkins were in the squad and surprised they got pretty good results in the lower DPC. thanks for info!
Huh? I don’t get it guys
goddammit aui you blew everything up
and we thank you for the amazing analysis
Aui makes this game a science. Impressive stuff!
very insightful. Thank you Aui and jenkins
The man, the myth, the legendary TI techies player himself 🙏
And he actually praise SEA pubs XD
This is the best series, so we can see the argument that you guys made, if just 1 person analyzing it seems bias but with the two of you guys presenting it like this, it's much more enjoyable to watch and learn and seeing the game much broader.
*Is about to watch a BSJ video*
*Jenkins teleports to my YT recommendations*
Me: ok ok I won't do it again
wow! good for you Jenkins! love all your vids! hope to see more of this coaching vids from pro players hehe
"I personally have an affinity with the Gremlo player" hmmm
need more like this, do really help to understand what to do in team play
I learn a lot of things here but we cannot implement this in our pubs most of our games but its a great strat
Honestly the additon of both of you to the talent at dota commentary has really raised the bar, and has made the whole experience way more fun and insightful, somehow at the same time
0:23 holy shit 20 seconds in and I'm already out of breath
Also after watching the rest, god-level insight and analysis, thank you both for this lesson!
Same
Outstanding !! please keep on doing this type of content
i hope gremlo doesn't find out you've been talking shit about him with aui
Lol viper is actualy jenkins while luna is actually BSJ.haha
Very useful and beautiful explained. Ty for the video, jenkins!
Also, I fullscreened since the moment I clicked the video.🖤
Aui is a level headed saint of a person and is absolutely to be trusted.
I'd love to see more videos in this format, very informative and entertaining :)
17:39 I wonder what kind of BS Pale Horse did. Mason did a lot of BS is true though.
I learned some great stuffs! Thank you for sharing this coaching session
I was actually wondering why no one ever talks about killing the range creep on a lane to create a heavy push. Very easy way to ensure that the other two lanes are being pushed while grouping to push one lane with aegis or using it defensively while the opponent is grouping for a highground push. I've been doing it for years, while playing support yet never heard about it from any guy posting video guides on youtube. Is it that precious to share with others?!
WP AUI!
This is the difference between High mmr content creators and real pro players. Bsj and the guy from liquid has the same vibes as this one. You can really see what makes them a pro.
So you mean you kill the enemy ranged creep only but don't push the other creeps? Just cs them?
@@MichaelSotoCE kill the enemy ranged creep first, so it has less time to deal damage to your creeps, thereby pushing the lane.
@@MichaelSotoCE the game doesn't show it but ranged deal a lot more damage to melee creeps than their damage number shows. It is way more valuable (and easier) to kill them than killing one or two melee. Furthermore, ranged can hide behind melee creeps
@@MichaelSotoCE yes exactly.
The plan is to *not* lose creeps to the *enemy's creep wave*. You basically buy time for another wave to arrive, effectively making it a "double wave".
If the enemy does not respond at all, with rotations, the tower will most likely die (in lower ranked pubs).
dude i keep watching this and already know this video is underrated
learned alot, great vid
new BROKEN strats
a lot
Content is just getting better and better
Next vid idea.
I got coached by Osama, he blew my house!
very helpful video, thank you Jenkins. Hopefully you get another TI coacing.
Aui feels like talking to a teammate here 🤔🤔🤔
hmmmm
As someone from SEA that supported EG from before AUI's time up to now. I'm really happy how he mentioned SEA players would've known how to play the scenario. Thanks AUI 💕
16:56 Feel Pride being a SEA player.
were pucking aggressive hahahahaha
SEA: Toxic? yes. Give up? haha nice try nerds
Only if youre in the immortal bracket
As I remember they would always refer to the Phillipines when it comes to dota 2 toxicity right?
This Audi 2000 series is actually a really good explainer
"Damn, you're popular"
6:20
I recently started playing league of legends, to see how the games compare.
Turns out slow pushing is huge there, being a staple of their wave management.
Can't wait to apply what I've learned from league to dota.
Jenkins: Coached by AUI2000, proceeds to point at someone else.
HAHAHAHA
Right. Was that a joke or he genuinely doesn't know.
@@rokrupnik how could he not know when he is literally talking to him? And for someone so long in the pro scene
Second was pieliedie, i guess
@@TheK073 pld played with gorgc(team bald reborn)
from archon to legend rank just from watching your videos thank you Sir Jenkins
Ah yes in sea we hv 5 core n all play without abandon
I want to send this TI champ in my game in my team,and see him be op when 4 Russian just suka blyat and troll each other xD
Not trying to throw shade at folks or anything, but I really like and appreciate Aui's approach to coaching and the game itself. Dude's really humble, and you can feel his passion about the game, plus the 200IQ on top. I've seen other top tier players trying to explain mechanics, and they often come off as egocentric, or on a high horse. Like, bruh we don't have the time to play 10 hours per day every day and try and test every single mechanic or learn every little detail in game. Sometimes we need some external help, and I'm honestly happy that folks like you, Jenkins; Aui, and Sunsfan are out there to help us out getting better.
Once more mmr just a number, even more when high ranked plebs don't know those lane tricks.
I love the part of the analysis where the visage player is really handsome
-nobody, literally nothing
-jenkins: oh wow, I never thought about it
Full screened and I am very happy now.
I dont even play this game but I like watching these videos
Wait, I already do all of that stuff, why am I still 4k?
Youre against immortal smurfs
staring from 2k sea server
20 Loss, 250 ping
You don’t know it well enough .. you think you do. The games at divine 5 bracket is totally totally very different from any other bracket based on the way they play. In a divine 5 game they start kicking the pos1 from his lane at 6 minutes into the game and then occupy the jungle so there’s no space for the pos1 to farm. Then they will slowly do that and they are in the right part of the map till you realiZe that shit you picked the wrong hero for the game and it’s over . 15 min the game is over and they are pushing high ground . Game ends in 25 minutes . While in divine 1-3 bracket there’s still this idea of pos1 can safe nc till 20 minutes then while thr offlaner, mid and support will run around making space and game ends in 40 minutes .
@@johnnychannarong5484 I was just watching some Immortal game previously it's actually 60min long 🤣
By your logic those divine player wouldnt Know about high tier neutral gear 🤣
Great job in dishing myth to make u looks cool..
Ppl. Just take advantage because most. Ppl just an ancient from sea like me.. So what do I know.. I am ancient 🤣 they are divine..
But we sometimes meet few. Divine player.. But the ironic part sometimes. There is legend player that actually play better.. What they need to. fix the most is that match making system.. Making u stuck in ur bracket because for. Every win u get.. There's always more. Free. Lost
I have learned a lot from this!! Thanks!
Wow, that was juicy!
super good, he is so clear and straight to the point
Hello jenkins good to see your face not in anime attire, love to see us back in the octillionaire grindset for making videos
More with AUI pls, I learned so much.
Best dota2 content since 2020.
Thanks junkens.
a year later he's TI winner as a coach. What a beast
My mind was blown 🤯 after understanding this new concept.
The slow push idea is really good, I am definitely going to have to use this.
Literally Jenkins intros and outros are the best
Very informative man, thanks!
I can't seem to climb on archon using support but man this valuable info on boots vs. stats in laning is real help. thanks
Whats worth more than a safelane tower?
You, you're worth more than a safelane tower
Hey!! I have subbed long ago and been following throughout videos and even TI
This is so helpful man thank you
should make more coaching vids Aui, will help raise the general skill level of the game
always full screening for you jenkins!
Very informative!
Watching this while taking a break from OG vs Nigma LB finals for WEU qualifiers
I hope sir jenkins can do some DOTA podcast with a Guest in SEA professional players.
this will increase your reach and know the perspective of players in SEA
Best advice always coming from you shoutout from philippines i always learn something new from you
* double clicks and fullscreens *
Jenkins: I wouldn't fullscreen this.......
* double clicks again *
super educational video, learned stuff thats applicable even at my trash mmr
love this kind of content Jenkins.
I'm only subscribed to you, but i wish i had a bit of spare cash so i could chip in.
You put a lot of effort into getting quality content out for the viewers.
love this, I learned so much from this
amazing content as always ❤️ sending love from the philippines
I fullscreened it, then you pointed it out and I started feeling bad for myself.
This video is really really good. Awesome analysis by Aui
Jenkinssss brotheeeer!!!!! I subscribed you since you were 10k HAHA somuch love from philippines brother
Being greeted with your face covering my phone screen at the start of the video was very delightful
Serouisly I was thinking the video won't give that much informations but now I regret not watching it. I like how he's explaining how they play against the morph
him being taught teaching me. thank you
I loved watching your videos man...right now im eating while watching perfect for my day
I love the sarcasm kenjins
Thanks for the videos!