MC90 Mon Calamari Cruiser vs Allegiance Star Destroyer | Star Wars: Who Would Win
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- A Mon Calamari Cruiser vs an Imperial Star Destroyer... Could it get more classic than that? Today's video features two Star Wars legends ships: the New Republic's MC90 Mon Calamari Cruiser, the first dedicated Mon Calamari warship, and the Allegiance Star Destroyer, a very large and well-armed upscale of the Imperial I Star Destroyer. Who will win in a one-on-one space battle? Find out on today's episode of Star Wars: Who Would Win!
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Remember, the superstructure on Imperial Star Destroyers are HUGE where the bridge is just a tiny room when compared to the size of the superstructure. The superstructure on the MC90 is much more exposed and vulnerable.
That would be true if the bridge wasnt on the exterior
@@snugglecity3500 Or practically Center of mass
Something you left out in the starfighter section is the fact that during this period of the New Republic they fielded E-Wings and K-Wings. These were built side by side with the new dedicated capital ships built for the New Republic.
Zann Consortium Aggressor Class Star Destroyer vs. Imperial 2-Class Star Destroyer.
Fun fact: the aggressor class star Destroyer was originally an imperial project, but when the rebels destroyed the death star in the battle of Yavin IV Tyber Zann found the plans when he was searching for information about the Emperors vaults
Imperial II wins because the Aggressor has no shields.
dragonstormx
the aggressor was the one with the large ion and particle gun in the front. Not the cross shaped one with mass driver turrets. (I forgot the name of it)
Last I checked, most of the Consortium big ships have no shields.
They do, the kelbade and aggressor have shields only the vengence frigate doesn't have it.
That was a great game
With fighter support, the MC90 wins every time. The Allegiance just has too few anti-starfighter emplacements to counter the MC90's ordinary embarked compliment of starfighters. Without fighter support, the Allegiance probably eight times out of ten since it was designed to be a capital ship killer. Not even MonCal shields would survive the sort of battering an Allegiance can delivery.
MC-ISD: While designed by the Mon Cal, the aesthetic is distinctly Imperial, as befitting an imposing policing vessel of the Galactic Empire. Design elements will include superior Mon Cal shielding & engines, and internal command bridge.
About 1200m. Distinctive wedge shape. No massive bridge structure.
Three-tier dorsal superstructure starting at about halfway down the length of the hull and scaling back in thirds.
Top tier serves as an observation, communication & fighter control bridge.
Middle tier serves as a platform for _anti-starfighter_ quad laser cannons, twenty to each beam.
Lower tier has _dual-purpose_ twin turbolasers, ten to each beam.
Mounted directly to the hull flanking the superstructure are quad _heavy_ turbolasers, five to each beam.
Two twin _super-heavy_ turbolasers are mounted forward of lower and middle tiers with twin ion cannon mounted immediately forward of superstructure on dorsal hull ridge.
Armament pattern repeats on ventral hull with three-tiered superstructure serving as enclosed armour for the otherwise exposed reactor dome.
Forward of ventral superstructure is a large open hangar/berth space to accommodate some manner of escort vessel (such as Raider-Class corvette).
In beam trenches along after half of vessel are two flight hangars for embarked wings of starfighters, allowing faster deployment than is typical on an ISD from less obvious kill zones.
Along beam trenches in forward half of vessel are (quantity undecided, likely five each in alternating positions) twin ion cannons and twin super-heavy turbolasers in wide angle casemates.
Additional uniform anti-starfighter armament (quad laser cannons) is scattered across forward dorsal and ventral hull.
CIS HYENA-BOMBER
VS
IMPERIAL TIE-BOMBER
Raul Geerman the Hyena bomber would slaughter a tie bomber it's faster, and more maneuverable, the Tie may be more heavily armed but it's to damn slow
No the tie would win.
T_REX1014 I can respect the choice, but explain man, lol don't leave me wandering around in the dark
soundedsilence32 explain to u what?
T_REX1014 why the tie wins
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The imperious class stardestroyer vs the nebula class please.🙏
Thank you
EckhartsLadder
Mandator Class Star Dreadnought vs Executor Super Star Destroyer
as u said about the SD the mon calamari would make the MC Galaxy Order Class Star Destroyer,
It is 1500meters, has standard ISD mk 1 and 2 life support and etc,
the sheild are better than any other imperial non battlecruier and ssd classes.
it would have 40 ion cannon in 1-4 cannon per turret on the ships upper hull.
it would have 12 octuple turrets like the allegiance and 10quad turrets in the section under and in front of the bridge and in the fron of the ship.
it would have 2 hangars like the venator class on each side and a hanger under the ship it would have 60 TIE fighters 25 TIE inteceptors and another 25 TIE bombers mainly located in the hanger under the ship for planetary bombardment.
it would have the same form as most imperial star destroyers but have some bulb like areas like the mc80-90 has on the ships and the sheild would be stronger than an ISD 2......
and another thing i am not a native English speaker i am student from Norway and pls keep the series going
EckhartsLadder executor ssd vs the mon cal equivalent known as the viscount it was made to directly match up to the ssd
Hammerhead Corvette vs CR90 (5th try)
AdmiralSupreme I wanna see this too...
Think the hammerhead would win, tougher and more armed larger too
He is talking about the Hammerhead from rebels i think not the Cruiser from KOTOR.
If it was the Cruiser Instead of the Corvette version it would be a stomp.
AdmiralSupreme I'd say it's the rebels version so it would be stomped
chris pearson But the hammerhead Corvettes were modified after SWRebels...
Can you do a video explaining the difference in starship weapons. Ion cannons, proton torpedoes, turbolasers, turbolaser batteries etc.
+Benjamin Schröder good idea
That would be a good idea Benjamin Schroder.
ye would love dat to
I like that
@@EckhartsLadder I agree!
To destroy an Allegiance you would just need to stay behind and beneath it, and able to remain there vs. the Allegiance's pitch and yaw rates. Its guns count for nothing if its superstructure is always in the way.
I would totally donate to a patreon. It doesn't matter that this isn't your full time job. You put out content on a consistant basis, thus you deserve some degree of income off it.
Also, thanks for featuring Otaking's TIE Figher short! It is amazing and deserves so much more attention than it has recieved.
Eckharts Ladder The new republic use b-wings and K-wings. The y-wings where phased out a out a year after the formation of the New republic. Also they used e-wings occasionally.
They still had Y wings in reserve fleets and outer rim battle groups
the e wigns were still used in large numbers
Allegiance + Quasar = 100% victory
A Quasar as support vs an MC90... nope two Ton Faulks... which puts 8 TIE Sqn, 2 TIE/Int Sqn and 2 TIE/SA Sqn as back up to the Alkegiamce vs 10 SQN of Alliance fighters and bombers backing up the MC90
I want to know how an MC90 gutted of its fighters in battle would stand up to Allegiance arriving fresh into the fight
Disagree with you on this. The Allegiance went away from fighters to go with super heavy shields. They wanted to go with a style of. "Fights can not hurt us." Type shielding. Fighters and bombers would get fried getting to close to the ship. They would have to wait for the MC90 to take out the shields before they could really do anything to the ship.
But weve seen time and again in the movies, legends and video games that fighters can often fly through deflector shields and deal damage while skirting the hull.
@@paulwasilewski9030 rebel propaganda :D
Harrower Class Vs Gladiator Class
Sith Empire's Finest Dreadnought Vs Galactic Empier's Smallest Star Destroyer!
PELICAN VS LAAT GUNSHIP
yes pls
i would like 2 see this as well i think the pelican would win tho
Sadly the LAAT is really powerful. The Pelican would be salughtered
A.K.A Matt which pelican from which game tho
Halo 4 pelican gunship- that would give the LAAT a run for it's money I think-no shields on either of them-so the SPLAZER would basically be a 1-shot KO-not to mention the missile turrets, the cannon, and machine gun. LAAT may have lasers and missiles-but the splazer I think would destroy it before it got in range
Ok i think i suggested it 3-4 times Covernant Cso-class Supercarrier vs The executor class star destroyer
IRun iix this will get done once the new Halo reference book comes out.
EckhartsLadder ok when will it come out
August
EckhartsLadder perfection
The covenant super carrier is a whopping 28.96km.
Do a "Z-95 (as it excited during the clone wars) vs. the TIE fighter (as it existed during the galactic civil war)"
I am not giving up
lucrehulk class battleship vs. imperial 2 class star destroyer
Lucrehulk would win every time
anno 2070 fan 22 to be honest one isd is enough for it
caleb carithers Well, it depends on which variation, however the ISD still loses because of the amount of Star-fighters Every Lucrehulk ship has (1500), compared to 72 Star-fighters the ISD carries. Furthermore the ISD II doesn’t have a point defense, further playing into the 1500 Star-fighter advantage of the CIS ship. In all honesty though, the only way the ISD can win, is if they can use all their firepower to destroy the ship before it launches its fighters, which will be very unlikely.
anno 2070 fan 22 I can tell you the answer right now
No
TIE Interceptor vs Droid Tri-Fighter
I vote for the Allegiance Star Destroyer, I'm feeling kinda Imperial today, enjoyed the match up! 😉👍
It wasn't bad Jacen Starhunter.
Allegiance is stronger ship. It has some fighters alongside shuttles but help from escort carrier will be adequate.
1. Inexpugnable-class tactical command ship VS Lucrehulk-class
2. Venator-class Star Destroyer VS Harrower-class dreadnought
3. Kom'rk-class fighter VS X-wing starfighter
4. Victory I-class Star Destroyer VS Harrower-class dreadnought
5. Kom'rk-class fighter VS StarViper-class attack platform
The Imperious class star destoyer vs the nebula class
The inset turrets on the edge of the Alleigance-class is actually quite clever. It forces any craft attempting to attack those turrets to either enter their field-of-view or at least be exposed to topside or underside turrets.
Please do the A-Wing vs the TIE Interceptor. That is a very good matchup.
You gotta love those Mon calamari starships
Providence class vs Victory II class please
I think this goes to the Providence. A Providence wins against an Venator, its only weakpoint in this battle ist the extreme starfighter support of the Venator. A Victory has much stronger weapons, maybe even stronger than a Providence, but not much Starfighers (TIEs). Hes kinda equal to the Venator. So it would be like that: The Providence gains air supperriority fast, then uses its starfighters AND firepower to destroy the Victory.
Dude that TIE Fighter short you showed is one of my favorite videos.
You said the MC-90's better maneuverability wouldn't really help. But you also said that one of the MC-90's disadavantages for heavy weapons was that it was designed more for broadsides. Wouldn't the better manueverability help with that?
The main problem for the Allegiance is that it has no anti-fighter capabilities. To me this gives the MC90 a clear advantage. Even if the MC90 is out-gunned it could stay largely out of range and wait for it's bombers to do the job.
Harbinger Class Hammerhead Cruiser vs Thranta Class Hammerhead Corvette ((Or modern hammerhead vs Thranta))
You forgot in the first episode of the clone wars a C70 was able to tank more then a dousen turbolazer shots from two munifisent frigates
I feel the the mon calamari also can concentrate fire power like the imperial star destroyer, just they some will be blocked by the ship, so it's a hybrid. It does not have a pizza shape, but the turnip shape still help it to concentrate fire power, although the angle is not good
Recusant Class Light Destroyer vs Assault Frigate Mark I.
Hammer Head corvette vs Marauder Cruiser, because why not!
Actually, the 3D model created by fractalsponge has a visible docking bay. It is positioned at the exact same place as the secondary bay on regular star destroyer. If the ship was hangarless, it would be impossible to bring personnel into it while in space. Even if it's not big I suppose it would be capable of holding, at least, a diminutive fighter complement, as well as some transport shuttles.
Keldabe-class battleship vs MC80A (wingless). Should be a 'fair' fight.
Harrower - class dreadnought vs. Acclamator - class assault ship
Harrower wins with relative ease
Those structures don’t look like point defense emplacements, but more like structural supports.
can you do General Grievous's Flagship the Invisible Hand vs an Imperial 2 class star Destroyer.
I got a lower decks ad on this vid
Emperor Dalek Flagship vs Star Destroyer
Minton Daleks are too advanced for the Star Wars universe. They have time lord technology, and the Daleks are basically indestructible. The Daleks could kill them by just boarding, let alone a brawling match between the two ships.
Remember that a normal Dalek Saucer has just over 2000 Daleks on board, so the Flagship probably has at least 20,000. and a Dalek can act as a Star Fighter, when not using those Weapons platforms. You can see in Episodes such as Into the Dalek and Stolen Earth just how effective at Boarding ships and invading they are. I think the only ship able to destroy a Dalek ship would be the Eclipse, but we know how Agile the Dalek ships are and they are able to destroy continents easily (Parting of Ways).
The Dalek saucer is also a circle, meaning it has maximum fire power from any angle, meaning it doesn't have to turn around like the Star destroyers do.
The star fighter of the mon calla would tip the balance every time. May the force be with you
Isd 3
Function command variant
Weapon compliment heavy on point defence with 8 primary guns in quad turbo lasers
Extra generators for heavy shedding
Name unending rain
The Mon Calamari Star Destroyer would be of normal size, between 1.5 und 2km long, carry a heavy fighter wing, alot of Landing Crafts and also very very strong armor an shielding. Also it would be sleeker and faster then normal imperial ships. Basicly it would be a bigger Venator class with round lines and the combination of carrier capabilities and Star Destroyer Firepower.... it would be called the “the Kraken Class“ and it would exclusively be in use against targets on which sea food is consumed.
1x Imperial 1/2 class star destroyer vs Small rebel battle group (2x CR90 corvettes, 1x DP20 frigate, 1x GR75 medium transport, 1x EF76 nebulon B frigate.) 1st time trying to get on!
Anything that the ships usually carry, nebulon B has a small hanger on board.
Imperial 2 star destroyer vs lucrehulk droid control ship (2nd try)
Do it for me
God Emperor of Mankind thank you my friend😢😪
If you do this verses I will come back to life
Secutor-Class Star Destroyer vs MC-80 Home One or Resurgent Class or another Carrier like ship
I mean V-19 vs. Tie fighter
Providence carrier vs imperial type 1 star destroyer
actually, the bulk of the mc-90's main weaposn can fire forward, they can also broadside with a lot of their guns too, the ship might have an odd shape, but it follows a very similar design philosophy to the triangle shape star destroyers in that almost all of it's fire power is pointed down the nose.
probably irrelevant but those heavy guns are quad turbolasers, not octuple
XG1 Starwing Assault Gunboat vs. B-Wing
dont forget the moncalamari cruisers can rotate on their axis to expose shields and weapons systems so the shields can recharge when turned away
MC90: *Launches all its fighters > Never even closes to gun range*
Tie Phantom Vs. X-WING
Mon Cal engineers working for the Emoire would likely build ships similar in shape to ISDs and SSDs, but with all the sharp edges rounded off and weapons blisters scattered all over their hulls. More angular and scary-looking than what we see in Legends and Canon, but with their signature flowing style.
And scary tough shields.
And hanger bays chock full of highest quality TIEs (Defenders, Punishers, Advanced, Phantoms, Hunters, etc.), all with Mon Cal shielding as well.
They'd be badass, but make the Empire that much harder to overcome. Imperial Arrogance, Overbearance, and Hubris allowed the Rebel Alliance to form and eventually defeat the Evil Galactic Empire.
With the lack of hangar spaces and the cheap TIE fighter you would think that the Gladiator would be a staple ship in the imperial arsenal and act as an escort vessel for every single ISD, battlecruiser and dreadnought.
V-18 Republic star fighter vs. Standard Tie Fighter
Darth Bane vs Darth Krayt. C'mon people wouldn't this make a mighty match-up. It wouldn't be dramatic to see these two mighty Sith Lords destroy each other in an Epic battle to the finish.
Terminus class Destroyer vs Interdictor class Cruiser
Havoc old republic trooper vs first order stormtrooper please 👍
apple smith Yes Havoc Squad
Could we see a three part/topic video:
1) About The Killiks VS the Trade Federation.
2) Dart Ships and Nest Ships VS Vulture droids and Lucrehulk-class battleship.
3) As well as Killik Troops VS Battle Droids if ether side tried boarding the other.
Malevolence vs Star Trek galaxy class
The Malevolence would destroy the galaxy class it would just have to fire it's ion then use it's 500 turbolasers.
T_REX1014 unless Star Wars shields don’t block transporters.
Please start making more of those videos
I love these series!
Awesome video, very happy to see Versus make a big comeback on the channel lately!!!! :D
Stargate's USS Daedalus vs Imperial Star destroyer
I bet these ships would put up a hell of a fight before they go down.
Dornean Gunship vs Raider Class Corvette
WOW, watching this almost 3 years later, INCREDIBLE how much the video quality has improved over the years
nj
you should put the executor class super star star destroyer up against the resurgent class star destroyer
The 6 turbolasers on each sides are in fact quad heavy turbolasers and the 3 turrets on top are ion cannons
Imperial 1 star destroyer vs Providence class dreadnought
Gr 75 vs Gozanti class cruiser
jesus star destroyers with mon-cal shielding thats a scary thought
The hanger is on the bottom. It's probably the same size as that on the Imperial class, which makes it look smaller on the larger star destroyer.
Look toward the front of the ventral axial batteries. It has blast doors, but there it is.
Does that change your calculus on this matchup?
A good question...for another time
The bridge and shield placement on Imperial ships ain't stupid until you lose your shields
You should do a tank/walker equivalent to this series. Start with forest teddy bear tripwire vs all the imperial walkers
Please Twilight vs. Slave 1
BC 304 vs Imperial-II Star Destroyer
Terminus class destroyer vs the recusent class light destroyer
uss defiant vs millennium falcon
You should do the Alliance vs the preator
Millennium Falcon piloted by Han Solo VS TIE Advanced piloted by Vader
advanced because something something force something
Vader would wipe the floor against the Falcon. We saw what a flight of TIEs was able to do with average pilots.
Secutor dreadnaught vs lucerhulk command vessel
Subjugator-Class Heavy Dreadnought vs. Resurgent-Class Star Destroyer
Subjugator Heavy Cruiser vs Resurgent Star Destroyer
The Allegiance was designed to be a fire support ship, like sitting amidst imperial 1-2 star destroyers, and those who come in firing distance to hurt the sd-s would be pounded into a pulp by the Allegiance. Also it could be used in blitz tactics, there the side turrets would make sense, namely cutting into the enemy fleet, pounding away with it's many guns in all directions while the fighters and smaller, nimbler ships move in with it to carry out either precision strikes or swarming attacks. It's a sturdy enough ship to rush into a weaker enemy fleet, which would make sense for the imperial era.Since it has no hangars, it's hull is probably a lot stronger. Even if the shield is taken out it's possible for the ship to take a beating still. In my mind would rather serve as a ship for diversionary tactics and/or support than anything else. A 1v1 matchup for such a specialized ship is kind of pointless, any properly designed cruiser can take it out 1v1. It was made to be a part of a fleet, otherwise it's a well armed and armored sitting duck, like a WW2 German Elephant tank destroyer against a bunch of footsoldiers, if they can flank it, the tank is dead, even with the later versions having 1-2 machine gun emplacements, they got wrecked by infantry, but at the same time they were devastating against tanks if properly used.
God eckhart that's scary but id imagine that they would build a SD similar to the resurgence class give take a little and it would definitely be a front lines vessel
And what about the 4 proton torpedo launchers of the MC90?
I mean it could cause even more damage to the Alligeance
The Phalanx vs Red vs Blue's "Mother of Invention"
the allegiance class star destroyer is a good ship in a way, but lacking point defense laser's and a hanger bay for fighters combined with its overexposed bridge and important system's and the allegiance leave's a lot to be desired like other imperial star destroyer's
MC 90 would probably carry 2 squadrons of B Wings and 4 squadrons of X wings. The Assertor would die in moments.
On the subject of the Allegiance's lack of weapons compared to its size, it appears the Galactic Empire's battlecruiser doctrine appeared to mimic that of the Imperial German Navy before and during WWI, emphasizing speed and survivability over overwhelming firepower. In both cases (such as the SMS Seydlitz or the Derfflinger-class in the Germans case, and the Allegiance- and Bellator-classes in the Empire) you have ships that are under armed when compared to contemporary ships of similar tonnage, but in return are able to become more durable and retain their high speeds and acceleration respectively.
For example, the German battlecruisers at Jutland lost only one of their own (which was scuttled unmolested and in safety after the battle), and despite often times heavy damage, the remaining four German battlecruisers made it home. This is after sinking three British battlecruisers (which sacrificed armor and not heavy weapons to reach high speeds) during the same battle. Based on what I've seen, it appears the Empire had their battlecruisers sacrifice weaponry in order to retain their survivability, and still reach their high accelerations.
To answer your question about a theoretical Mon Cal Star Destroyer built for the empire, here' my idea: The 3.5km long Titan-class Battle-Carrier. It would be classic Mon Cal design, applied to the Wedge-shape design philosophy of most imperial star destroyers. Its armament would be very liberal for a Mon Calamari design, consisting of 44 quad turbolasers, 66 quad lasers, and 22 quad ion cannons, as well as numerous warhead launchers and point defense lasers scattered all over its hull. In addition, the Titan would support a compliment of 300 assorted TIEs.
Hammerhead corvette vs Nebulon-B Frigate.
50 VICUNT STAR DISTROYR VS The ECLIPSE SUPER STAR DISTROYR
I'm late but the z-95 headhunter (as it was during the clone wars) vs the x-wing
X-wing was just an improved z-95, with twice the firepower, better durability and more advanced tech. This is kinda like a versus between the tie fighter and the tie advanced. The tie advanced is better in virtually every way possible
Mic Clank I want this one
Thanks
Z-95 wasn't that great tbh, the X-wing was a tougher, faster, and stronger. Try the ARC-170; it's essentially another successor to the Z-95, like the X-wing, but it had more firepower, tougher shields, and less agility.
Mic Clank i
Providence class Dreadnought versus Imperial Star Destroyer
@eckhartsladder have you seen the write up that is on Fractalsponge's page about the actual level of weapons systems found on the Bellator, Allegiance, etc? It's a lot more than was originally published.
community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/243600-ship-stats-fractalsponges-imperial-capital-ships/
@@jtonguam Interesting. It states that the Allegiance still has the smaller secondary hangar bay on the forward side.