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FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much for this video, My suggestion for the next one: Dreadnought class heavy cruiser vs Aklimator assault ship
Fourth try, UNSC Infinity vs the Resolute, both ships have their normal crew so he Republic craft would have Admiral Yularen AND Anakin Skywalker at the helm
This is how the scenario plays out: (Enterprise is in a star system with three inhabited planets.) Worf: "Captain, we are detecting a massive vessel at the edge of sensor range." Troi: "Sir, I sense a great disturbance, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced." Picard: "Hail them." Worf: "Channel Open." Picard: "Unidentified vessel. This is Captain Picard of the Federation starship USS Enterprise. May we know your intentions?" ISS: "Surrender your vessel and prepare to be boarded." Picard: (Concerned Pikachu face) "We are a peaceful people. Explorers who reject tyranny and work for understanding between planets. Surely you are the same. We would welcome a delegation aboard to discuss an exchange of knowledge and culture." ISS: "...!" (Close channel) Worf: "Captain, they are charging weapons and launching fighters." Riker: "Shields up! Red Alert! Mr. Worf, tactical report." Worf: "Primary and secondary shield generators, a solar ionization reactor, 72 fighters, 60 ion cannons, Approximately 47,000 life forms detected." Picard: "She's a predator..." Worf: " 60 heavy turbolaser batteries, another dozen or so multiple medium and heavy laser turrets." Riker: "... did you say LASER?" Picard: "Maybe she's NOT a predator, they could fire lasers at us till their reactors run dry... but those ion cannons could be dangerous to our systems." Data: "Sir, tactical analysis of their weapons show that their turrets are limited to a range of 5,000 kilometers." Picard: "Helm, keep us 300,000 km away from the vessel." Worf: "Sir, the fighters have opened fire!" (TIE fighter lasers fill the space around the Enterprise. -- Crew nervously waits for the ship to rock from the impacts.) Picard: "Mr. Worf, report!" Worf: "Sir... they missed." Picard: "You mean there was no damage." Worf: "No sir... they just missed... ENTIRELY. The shields do not register any impacts." Riker: "Helm. Well done on the evasive maneuvers!" Helm: "Sir... we haven't changed course. I was waiting for the command" Picard: "..." (Looks to Riker) Riker: "Riker to Engineering. Geordi, did you maneuver the Enterprise? We just dodged a barrage of weapons fire from 72 fighters." Geordi: "Sir? It wasn't us. I didn't even realize we were being attacked." Data: "Captain, I may have an answer. Scans show that all of their weapons are manually targeted. They can not keep a weapons track on Enterprise at velocities above a quarter impulse. Additionally, their main vessel appears to have minimal maneuvering abilities and little protection aft of the engineering section." Troi: "Captain. The commander of that ship is enraged that his fighters missed and that we're staying out of their weapons range. I sense that he's about to target the outermost planet of the system!" Geordi: "Captain, there are more than 4 million settlers on that world and they don't have planetary defenses." Picard: "Number 1, we need to draw their attention" Riker: "Helm, keep your distance, but use a short warp jump to put us behind the target." Helm: "Aye sir." (Enterprise jumps 300km behind the ISS, leaving the fighter squadron on the other side of the battle field.) "Coming about." Riker: "Mr. Worf, target engines and weapons." Worf: "Engines and weapons targeted." Riker: "Full spread phaser barrage. Continuous fire." (Enterprise fires continuous phased beams at maximum range. ISS tries to maneuver, but Enterprise stays behind and away.) Worf: "Sir, their shields are holding, fighters have regrouped and are making another attack run" Riker: "Continue fire. Target the fighters with photon torpedoes." (Enterprise keeps firing phasers at the ISS while a barrage of torpedoes goes after the fighters. at 500k range) Data: "Captain, scans of their vessel indicate that their systems seem are extremely susceptible to the sort of electrical discharge generated by their Ion cannons. We may be able to simulate a similar weapon." Picard: "Engineering. Can we generate an Ion pulse with the deflector dish?" Geordi: "Yes sir. We can run warp power directly through the deflector control and create a massive ion pulse. It will rupture a few EPS conduits, and we wouldn't be able to jump to warp until repairing them, but it will be one heck of a blast." Worf: "Sir, the fighters are retreating from the torpedoes, but the target vessel is 5 minutes from weapons range of the planet's surface." Picard: "Geordi, how quickly can you create the pulse?" Georgi: "Sir, it'll take me 8 minutes." Picard: "Data, go to engineering and help with the modifications, Number 1, we need to draw the fire of that ship!" Riker: "Yessir." (Riker sits back in his chair and looks at his display) "Helm, move us between the planet and the target. Mr. Worf, keep firing. Full spread of torpedoes as well." Worf: "Sir, their shields ARE weakening, but we are unable to penetrate their defenses." (Montage: Georgi and Data rushing to patch connections through engineering. Troi looks worried. Worf keeps pressing the fire button. Riker steps OVER the chair that Data has vacated and takes his station. - 4 minutes later) Worf: "Sir, we are now entering the target vessel's weapons range." (impacts rock the Enterprise as the ion cannons start striking the shields. Around the ship, control panels explode and lights flicker.) Riker: "Report!" Helm: "Sir, we're losing helm control, impulse engines are offline" Worf: "Shields at 60%" Riker: "Helm, switch to auxiliary controls and use the thrusters to push us back from the target, but keep us between them and the colony." Picard: "Engineering, how much longer?!" Geordi: "Just another minute captain. We're need to adjust the phase compensator to synchronize the plasma flow through the dish with the warp matter/anti-matter stream. If we don't get it right, we're looking at a core breach the moment we fire the deflector" (Impacts continue to rock the Enterprise. Rocks fly out of the ceiling and debris is strewn around the bridge.) Worf: "Shields at 15% ... Captain, we are being hailed." Picard: "Onscreen!" ISS: "Enemy vessel. Stand down and surrender or be destroyed." Picard: "You have made an act of aggression against an unarmed planet. This is nothing short of a declaration of war against the Federation of Planets. We are NOT your enemy!" (More impacts and the lights go out. Riker is thrown from this console by an explosion.) Worf: "Shields are down! Buckling on deck 9, 10, and 11. Casualties reported on all decks." Data: "Captain, the deflector is ready." Picard: (zoom shot) "Fire." (Huge beam emanates from the Enterprise deflector dish and strikes the ISD. Electricity arcs along the hull of the ship, the engines go out and it begins to drift. - In Engineering, smoke pours from the warp core as EPS conduits explode.) Geordi: "Coolant leak! Everybody out!" (Geordi rushes everybody out then rolls past the closing door just as it slams shut. Dr. Crusher rushes to injured crewmen and pokes them with hyposprays.) Georgi: "Engineering to the bridge. The kickback from that shot was worse than expected. We've lost warp power until we can cool the core and repair the damaged conduits. We're showing system faults shipwide." Data: (poking at his tricorder) "Captain, the beam worked. The enemy ship is without power. They are working on restoring systems, but by my calculations it will be at least 30 minutes until they have weapons, shields or propulsion." Worf: "We have another problem sir. The ship is still drifting towards the planet. At it's current velocity, it will impact in 6 minutes." Riker: "A ship that size, moving at that speed, will obliterate all life on the surface." Picard: "Mr. Worf, tractor beam?" Worf: "Negative sir. Weapons, shields and tractor beam are all offline." (Geordi and Data enter the bridge.) Geordi: "Damage control is responding, but it will take at least 10 minutes to get those systems back online." Riker: "Options" (silence) Chief O'Brien: (Over the com) - "Captain, the transporters are still working." Riker: "We can't take an away team over there. 6 people vs. 50 thousand?!" CoB: "I wasn't thinking about beaming over an away team sir." (On the bridge, hangar deck and engine room of the ISD. As people run around trying to restore power, there is an electronic hum and a bright light as three torpedoes materialize and detonate. From the bridge of the Enterprise, the ISD explodes into millions of pieces of debris, each no larger than a shuttlecraft. As the debris hits the atmosphere, it burns briefly before ceasing to exist. In the ready room, the senior staff sit quietly.) Picard: "50 thousand lives. I just ordered the destruction of 50 thousand lives." Worf: "Sir, THEY were the aggressors." Data: "Captain, the math is clear, 50 thousand or 4 million." Riker: "We've recovered their pilots and a few hundred survivors who made it to escape pods before the ship burned up in the atmosphere. We've converted Cargo Bay 1 and 2 into a makeshift brig." Dr. Crusher: "A number of the crew appear to be clones. - Our own casualties are light. Mostly burns and broken bones. Lieutenant Barkley was knocked out when the holodeck exploded." Geordie: "We'll have shields and propulsion within the hour. The deflector and warp core will be operational within four hours. We'll need some time in drydock to fix the burned out systems and repair structural damage." Riker: "We can drop off our prisoners at Deep Space Nine en route to Utopia Planetia. A few of them are talking, but most of them are in shock. I don't think they're accustomed to losing battles. Hopefully Starfleet intelligence can find out where they come from and what they want." Picard: (turn chair and looks out the window of the ready room) "I think... we've not seen the last of this... 'Empire'." (Fade to Black)
Star trek wins Phasers are pinpoint accurate and an exotic damage type, and the Range is a significant factor, ships frequently fire on each other at ranges where they have to request magnification on the viewfinder to identify who it is. "Target their weapons and shield generators" (Cue star trek wrath of khan style internal explosions and heavy internal casualties, star destroyer is crippled and starts moving adrift with visible sparks crawling across it like it was hit with an ion cannon) Enterprise circles around and fires aft Photon Torpedoes on the Thrusters of the star destroyer. Blasting the whole back half of the ship off due to internal explosions and the power of the torpedoes (they use antimatter, effectively are like the antimatter charges used by the covenant, known to detonate for a yield of 20-50 Kilotons each) An unscrupulous captain like Khan or the Admiral from Into Darkness has no problem doing the damage. Id imagine a single photon torpedo being directed at the Bridge Tower of the star destroyer after the shields were down, cratering or blasting the whole apparatus off. Even if the star destroyer managed to open fire, the imperials onboard would telegraph their moves by commanding to surrender and submit to boarding, giving the starfleet crew ample time to target key systems. Evasive maneuvers engaged, very few additional hits, turbolaser arcs of fire avoided - and the Enterprise opens fire while evading causing the above damage to the star destroyer. While gaining a healthy distance from it. Shields likely not drained any appreciable amount. Another issue not often considered is material strength. The alloys used in star wars may seem tougher than modern day stuff but not out of this world in any way - they just have huge infrastructure to spam the material. Meanwhile the stuff used in star trek is so strong its pretty much only undone by disintegrating phasers and antimatter explosions, or literally ramming the damn ship.
I would actually give the fight to the Enterprise for two reasons, maneuverability and weapon arcs. A majority of the Star Destroyers weapons are laterally and forward mounted. IF the Enterprise could use its superior maneuverability to stay BEHIND and above of the Star Destroyer, then it would be an easy kill.
Could just split the ship into the dish and engines parts, the dish area would probably die but the loss of mass and need to power half the ship should help the other half stay behind and hammer at the back
@@RunnerX13 Not in the Wrath of Khan. Spock noted that Khan's thinking was "2 dimensional". And in the Series Finale of The Next Generation, Riker comes in BELOW the Klingons ships with the Enterprise D Dreadnaught.
Star Trek is science fiction fantasy, and it's writers and producers endeavor to show at least some deference to real science and physics. ST takes the trouble to offer somewhat plausible explanations, and establish a set of limitations on canon lore. ST fans demand to know why and how ST lore is and works. ST is about exploration, and improving quality of life for all peaceful species. Space combat takes a back seat in ST. The overwhelming majority on live action canon screen time in ST features peaceful new discovery or peaceful crisis resolution, not space combat. Star Wars is pure and simple space fantasy. Things happen in SW stories just because the writers and producers put it in. SW is like comic books and cartoons in live action on the silver screen, pretty much anything one can make up goes, no need to rationalize or justify, it just is because someone said so. The fans eat it up. Just look at how the SW fans freaked out over meta chlorines when they were introduced in "The Phantom Menace" in an attempt to explain / quantify the nature of the force. SW fans wanted none of it. SW is a lot of space fantasy eye candy, mindless action, cowboys and indians with ray guns (blasters). SW is purely about space fantasy fun, without much care for the how or why of it. IMHO, Star Wars (premiered in 1977) is more fun, but Star Trek (premiered in 1964) is smarter.
Yes, because in star wars it has never happened that a storm trupper's/fighter pilots hit everything but the protagonists it seems that the plot shield is everywhere
Lmao XD. It means scanning the SD's systems to locate and damage the power distribution to their weapons systems as much as possible, to overall decrease the enemy ship's firepower more efficiently than targeting individual weapons.
The one thing no one ever takes into account when matching star wars vs star trek, is the range of the respective weapons. For example, the SSD's turbo lasers have an effective range of 5000 kilometers. But the enterprise's phasers have a range of 300,000 kilometers and a torpedo range of 2.5 million kilometers. In short, a star trek ship would just fall back and pound the ssd into scrap from well outside it's engagement range.
Also, no mention of the Galaxy class's ability to separate the saucer from the drive section and have them operate as two individual entities which will greatly reduce their profile making it even harder for the manually operated turrets of the ISD.
@@jacobnash9755 I'm pretty sure a Galaxy class ship could obliterate any Tie Fighters sent at it very quickly given how quickly they can lock on and fire multiple beams in different directions. Watch this video at the 15 or 16 second mark and watch how it deals with multiple fighter size craft very quickly; ruclips.net/video/d734afLFPds/видео.html
Sounds right to me. EckhartsLadder forgot about the reduced visibility the ISD II has to the rear. With a skilled Captain and helmsman the Enterprise D can sneak in behind, out of targeting arcs of most of the ISD's weapons, and then melt the command section or engines to slag.
Not really. If you want to make the argument the he forgot something, the SD has TIE fighters. They would be able to attack the enterprise at will. And it is incredibly accurate with its hundreds of guns. Just look at the end of Rogue One when Vader arrives. That one SD destroyed most of the rebel fleet.
Actually, not really either. If you follow the targeting ability of the Enterprise's phasers against unshielded fighters as seen in the Season 5 episode 'Conundrum' the Enterprise can wipe out TIE squadrons without much effort. As long as the TIEs stay tight the phaser arrays could even be set for a wider dispersion to simply disable closer groups rather than outright incinerate individual ships. All the Enterprise has to do is to clear a path for short range worp, do a Picard Maneuver or two to get in close to the engines and then blast the SD to slag. - Of course actually pulling this off depends on the quick thinking of the command staff at the time and the reflexes of the helmsman and tactical officers. If any of those aren't up to snuff then the battle remains even.
Also, the enterprise will be able to find the resonant frequency of the SD 2s shields, and change phaser frequency, like seen in TNG, when fighting the Borg they set their phaser frequency to random patterns so they can't adapt as fast.
@BuyingAthlete 78 But it also depends on the person as well. Kirk lost one ship and heavily crippled another that put it out of commission permanently. Picard lost one ship(good riddance) and had another heavily damaged. The only reason why they destroyed the Defiant was because they painted themselves into a corner and sisko was becoming a Mary Sue as was his ship so they knocked him down a few pegs and destroyed the ship. Voy oh good God that was a bad show. The ship not protected by plot armor but by a plot god. Luke should have been killed once once but twice but protected by plot so thick that they just called it space magic. Vader is well Vader, he was protected by plot until he wasn't.
Only the dorsal array has that ability. In fact, the Enterprise-D has 2 blind spots: the ventral hull behind the navigational deflector array, but forward of the aft torpedo launcher as well as above the aft torpedo launcher all the way up to just below the dorsal phaser array
I think that's why it wasn't picked. While he said he wasn't as knowledgeable of the Enterprise-E as that of the -d....there's actually more official information on the Enterprise-E's stats than that of the D. He picked a glass-cannon over that of a dedicated warship.
Now I have watched it and WHAT? This makes no sense. You mention that the Enterprise can fire at greater distances and that it is FAR FAR FAR FAR faster sublight than the Star Destroyer. Thus the Star Destroyer NEVER fires at the Enterprise. You failed to point out that while the Star Destroyer is faster than the Enterprise while in Hyperspace, they can only enter it at specific points, while the Enterprise can warp anywhere it wants.
Technically there is hyperspace in the Trekverse in the form of the Borg conduits. There are other non hyperspace but equally fast if not faster modes of travel in the Trekverse such as the Caretakers Array in Voyager, the wormhole in DS9 and the spore drives in Discovery. That being said I totally agree with your assessment. The firepower used in the Star Wars is phenomenal BUT it does not compare to the firepower in Star Trek. The Trek shields are impervious to laser cannon fire but are vulnerable to phasers and disruptors. If we were to use the Imperial II Star Destroyer firepower against the Enterprise D then most of the star destroyers compliment wouldn't penetrate the Enterprise shields except the blasters which theoretically works on similar principles as a disruptor. In the Trek verse planetary weapons has predate the formation of the Federation which means in theory if the Federation wanted to they could equip each galaxy class ship with said weapons. In Star Trek Enterprise, the Xindi created a probe that was shown to destroy an entire planet. Thankfully the NX-01 captured and destroyed the probe but right after scanning it for its technical blueprints. This was 200 years prior to the Enterprise D construction. The Enterprise D phasers can cut through the Crust of a planet and reach the core which it was shown on several occasions to have done. Penetrating the shields and armor of a star destroyer would be child's play.
@@joeclaridy transwarp is the word you are looking for also it isn't hyperspace. Whilst it is in fact faster than hyperspace transwarp is not in anyway in it's own dimension. Hyperspace is however in it's own dimension
@Sean LAM [13Y1] It doesn't matter. Star Destroyers still can't turn. Go ahead and keep jumping in and out of hyperspace in a straight line... Enterprise would just stay behind it, where no Star Destroyer guns are, and blast away. If the Star Destroyer tries to run it's basically doomed as every single weapons system on it is designed to shoot forward and physically can't shoot backward without shooting through its own hull.
The ships of Star Wars that we’ve seen are mostly for war,, some transports, & shuttles. Star Trek has had war ships, transports, & shuttles too, but had more of a focus on exploration. This drove the technology differently in each universe. I think
Regarding firepower: Lets forget star trek has torpedos for a moment. One overloaded pulse canon from nx-01 made a big crater on a moon, 300years prior to Enterprise D, Enterprise D cut inside a planet's core in moments... I would say those phasers can be insanely powerful jet precise. I don't know what to think about star destroyers weapons, i think i saw star wars ships destroy asteroids, but i don't remember destroying something directly comparable, like a moon, planet etc (excluding death star). Orbital bombardent/making a planet uninhabitable is easy, we have this capability for almost 50 years so its nothing to brag about. Regarding shields: we see star trek ship from tos era forward beeing hit by solar flares, explosions of some nebula gases and other cosmic events etc etc... didnt see anything like that in star wars movies.. please someone correct and point me where cases like this occur. Two totally different universes, too little directly comparable data. Star trek ships feel more advanced and highly adaptable, star wars ships feel like old sea frigates, strong, unmovable and powerful. This comparisons are kinda like asking "what is sweeter, paper or salt?" debatable but neverending :D
The funny thing is you didn't even mention maneuverability and gun placement. Which universe ships are more agile? Star Trek by a mile because of use of inertial dampers. The Enterprise can turn on a dime rotate independently of movement direction. Star Wars capital ships crash into each other all the time because they can't stop or turn or even move enough to force a Rebel fighter to crash into them when the fighter is only feet off the surface of the hull. Then add in weapon placement, Star Trek has shown they can fire effectively in all directions. Slightly reduced toward the rear but no where near undefended. The rear of the Star Wars ships are completely undefended as all they have is the massive engines that dominate the rear of the ship. Hence ultimately with the Enterprise D with the maneuverability advantage and with the ability to fire in every direction and with Star Wars having a blind spot the Enterprise D wins every time. This isn't even a battle for the most part. As for people who want to argue about the fighter screens realize that 1) Tie fighters won't even dent the shields and 2) Star Trek targeting scanners have shown to have pinpoint accuracy tracking multiple targets firing in succession. So even before you try to measure which universe's weapons are more powerful it's a fairly easy determination to say that as long as the Enterprise weapons are powerful enough to eventually cut through the shields/armor of the Star Destroyer the fact there's little to no rear defenses on the Star Destroyer the Enterprise will win each and every time in a 1 on 1 battle.
@@Vermonstered Amen! The guy who made this video was not using his thinking cap. I feel a bit of preference for a particular Universe/Franchise over another. I am not all that surprised fandom biases are a hard thing to overcome.
@@xanderprentice1740 Wouldn't say I forgot, more like why would you want to? There's a fairly big blindspot but fitting two ships in there is more difficult than one. Additionally you don't benefit from having two attack angles in this case so even if it did 'double' (I don't think it does but very well could be wrong as I'm not that technical) the firepower I'd argue the deciding factor in the fight isn't the firepower. It's the ability to sit right behind the enemy and blast away unchallenged even if it takes hours. Death by a thousand pricks is still death. 😜 More firepower would just make the fight end faster and be that much more overwhelming!
No, it can depopulate the surface of the Earth. Even then it has to create a specific set of condition in the atmosphere and ignite the atmosphere to do so.
AngelDyne @-You don't have full understanding of Trek Tech...Why would Starfleet "Nuke" anything...Especially, if such weapons are old an antiquated! Since standard Photon Torpedoes packed an matter/anti matter warhead...equal to 64 , or more megatons....?
Photon torpedos carry warp sustainer engines and have ranges in the hundreds of thousands to 1.5 million kilometer range in the TNG era. The enterprise could make some high speed warp runs outside of gun range and pepper the SD with torpedo barrages. When the shields get weakened, it can park directly behind the wedge and fire into it's back. I agree that the enterprise would be toast if if parked in front of star destroyer, but there is absolutely no way a SD wins in a turn battle with anyone and it's complete lack of weapon coverage on it's flank make it a sitting duck. The SD needs support to cover it's flanks or it loses to anything that is more maneuverable as long as the challenger's weapons are strong enough to break the star destroyer's shields with enough time.
You forgot to take into account deep space scanners and gravity well generators, denying its mid warp jump if a modern star destroyer has those, more exactly Imperial 2.5 model pattern, it can create enough engine drag that would cook the Enterprise if it tried to jump,
@@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723 Why would Star Wars Interdictors have any effect on Star Trek ships? ST vessels routinely go to warp well within planetary gravity wells. There's either much more going on with Interdictors than suggested (i.e. they're just being handwavey), or they would have little to no effect on a ST ship.
@@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723 That's not even necessary! The Federation has the ability to cloak while simultaneously flying through massive matter. Of course the Empire is screwed...
You mean like when Q helped the Enterprise-D on Veridian III? oh, wait... or how about when Q helped the Enterprise-E with the Borg in First Contact, or when he helped them out against the Remans in Nemesis? oh, wait...
First Last: No, I understand Q completely. He does things for his own amusement and doesn't bother with the conflicts of mortals. Robert Brown: No, I disagree with that. If we want to talk most powerful sci-fi franchise ever envisioned, I'd vote for EVE Online or The Imperium of Man from Warhammer 40K. I just don't think that Star Trek, while a great narrative and chocked full of awesome stories, is all that and a bag of chips.
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"WTF, there're shooting lasers at us!" "Just beam a photon torpedo on their bridge". Jokes aside, the Star Destroyer is based on WWI & WW2 Warfare with a doctrine of inaccurate volume of fire, whereas the Enterprise-D weapon doctrine seem to be based on at least the cold war era, with less numerous but highly accurate strikes due to the advances in firing control systems. The SD *may* hit the E, but the E *will* hit the SD every time it fires. The E can strike repeated hits with pinpoint accuracy everywhere on the SD, on the engines, the shield generators, the bridge, pick off the turbolasers one by one, hell, even draw a dickbutt on the hull with a continued phaser beam. I think for that reason alone, the Enterprise has the upper edge.
@@JoannaJedrzejczyksForehead on the ocean. Much different scenario in space where the Enteprise D has superior firing range and overall better projection range than the Star Destroyer and it's tie fighters.
@@chaost4544 Not to forget faster as well. The tos Enterprise phaser range was cited in journey to bable to be 80k range. Torpedoes was stated to have a range of 150k and shown on screen when it Destroyed Nomad a craft the same size as the weakness of the death star at max range. A feat not even Luke could pull off at close range without space magic to make the hit. Nothing on screen has yet to counter those ranges.
@@TheReaverOfDarkness Not through, exactly. Star Wars shields don't surround the ship. Remember when the Falcon was escaping the Death Star and Chewie had to angle the shields to keep them between the ship and the fighters? If the shields don;t fully surround the ship, a Federation transporter can get around them, and boom, antimatter charges on the bridge and inside the main reactor.
@@cory6266 If you've seen many other sci-fi shows and games, it is fairly standard of energy shields that they can be angled if you choose to, enabling a higher amount of strength in the direction of incoming attack without increasing their overall strength. You can also see this in some Star Wars games such as X-Wing. I don't see any reason to believe that any section of the Star Destroyer is ever not covered by SOME shielding. After all, the ships in Star Trek are covered in shielding even when their combat shields go down.
@@TheReaverOfDarkness I have, very many. The difference in SW is, there's a visual representation of Chewie angling the shields, it's displayed on a screen in the Falcon's cockpit, and the shields are two flat planes that maneuver around the ship, with gaps at the edges. And this is true for Star Destroyers as well, considering an A-Wing's tiny blasters were able to take out the deflector generator for the bridge of the Executor. It didn't shoot through the shield, the shield was not angled to guard against that direction at that moment.
Imo your analysis is flawed. An X-Wing fighter, with relatively weak (non-capital ship) and imprecise (point to shoot) cannons , is a potential threat to a Star Destroyer. Compared to the X-Wing, the Enterprises Phasers are by far, far more powerful capital ship weapons, and are by far, far more precise, able to hit small fast moving ships with ease and able hit ships beyond visual range or to target precise systems locations on larger ships. The Star Destroyer has many guns, but they can barely hit a frigate ship in plain sight thats not maneuvering and less than a couple kilometers away. Any engagement thats not a proximity battle is sporadic lucky shots. Sporadic lucky shots are a threat to Star Wars shields but not to Star Trek capital ships. The only way the enterprise would be in real trouble is if it would park itself next to the Star Destroyer broadside so that a large number of gunners would not miss. But the Enterprise has the sensors, combat speed and maneurability to make sure that would never happen and the Star Destroyer is essentially a big sitting duck. Heres how it would play out: The Enterprise scans the Star Destroyer when its beyond visual range and is surprised to see how exposed and easy to cripple is its bridge deflector shield. That its bridge is on an elevated silver plater. And that it has a huge weapons blind spot a few hundred kilometers straight behind it. The Star Destroyer lauches tie fighters to intercept, not realizing that, unlike a Star Destroyer, this ship's capital weapons will not miss them, its like sending lambs to the slaughter. But after a while, as the tie fighter pilots are manually figeting with their controls and turning a knob to prepare for the attack, just before the tie fighters get into range, the Enterprise does not even bother to swat them and warps, instantly appearing all the way to the other side of the Star Destroyer, fires several capital ship phasers into the bridge deflector shield with a quick phaser strike to the main sensor array and a salvo of photon torpedos right into the bridge. The crew guy does not even finish his sentence..."Sir, we just lost our" *boom!* . The clueless gunners are wondering why they cant see the ship that the tie fighter were supposed to attack, before they or the tie fighters pilots know whats happening, the Enterprise warps several hundred kilometers right behind the Star Destroyer and fires on the engines.The star destroyer is now immobilized, mostly blind, confused without command. The Enterprise rapidly manouvers to the ventral side staying beyond visual range and knocks out the ventral shield, largest turrets it can detect, and fires a salvo of photon torpedoes in the exposed hangar, then maneuvers around the large drifting derelict ship and fires on deflectors, turrets, and starts picking off one by one the tie fighters in the distance returning to the Star Destroyer. In the end, the tactical officer says "shields at 90%", and the Enterprise finishes off the Star Destroyer wreckage by teleporting 3 photon torpedoes rigged to detonate in 30 seconds inside the helpless Star Destroyer right next to the still intact main reactor and warps away as a bright ball of light briefly illuminates space in the distance behind them.
The Picard maneuver. If you watch any episode the captains are screaming maneuver this way or that. All things in space being relative though you can’t tell against the backdrop of stars. In maneuverability alone the enterprise would whoop ass and it can split in two.
Mana Because there's no point, the other ship could easily match the movements. But if there are a lot of ships fighting against one ships there is a lot of movement and attack runs, ex: W359
One point to consider in the Star Trek universe are their ships ability to target weapon shots with precision accuracy against specific systems. The advanced sensors that you mentioned in your video would come into play more prominently in that regard.
@@tk5800thesecond Battles like that are only ever talked about. We've never seen those kinds of long-range engagements depicted. Every ship-to-ship battle shown on screen is shown to be within ten km, including the fleet battles in DS9.
Interesting thing about all those precision weapons. The entire weapons array aboard every Starfleet ship is generally controlled by 1 guy. And small, rapidly maneuvering craft like SW snub fighters have been demonstrated to frustrate the weapons operators of all factions. Even the NX-01 Enterprise struggled to accurately target Suliban Cell ships and modified WW2 aircraft. And there was some dialogue related to that kind of tactical engagement where a rookie tactical officer missed a shot against a target that abruptly changed course.
@@imofage3947I mean I wouldn’t something that compared to the D would be like at most a English Frigate from the 1700s compared to a Battleship circa 2022
I would give raw power to the Imperial Destroyer, but precision and tactical versatility to the Enterprise. Federation victories are often done through tactical maneuvers and using scientific equipment to analyze the opponent's vulnerabilities. Even if we assume the Enterprise cannot find a scientific way to bypass Imperial defenses, it could outmaneuver it. Imperial firepower does not travel the speed of light and can be dodged, and the Destroyer is meant for formation fighting and has glaring blind-spots in firepower in its rear, if the Enterprise stays behind it, it will mitigate most of the damage while it uses precision strikes to disable the Destroyer. I don't think the Imperials could cripple the Enterprise fast enough to prevent this.
i think your definition of raw power is a little flawed. star destroyers have never shown a fraction of the firepower potential of a galaxy class like the enterprise.
I would agree I suppose. Star Trek has ample amount of scenes showing high tech: shifting continents, tackling huge cosmic anomalies, but extreme precision as well. Star Wars really hasnt shown such feats, maybe they havent had the opportunity but still...
TheCsel The World Devastators built by the Imperial Remnant in Legends were used to strip planets of all their mass, convert it to energy, and back to matter, constructing entire fleets in the process out of the matter that came out. The Celestials are the upper end of technology in star wars and they constructed systems using black holes, but I'm terms of just feats by the Empire and its contemporaries they have done feats that rival those of star trek, such as utilizing a much faster ftl system, creating a weapon that destoys stars, etc. Star Wars tech may be relatively stagnate compared to Stay Trek, but it isn't inherently inferior to it. Also E rejected using the more ridiculous numbers from both universes, so theres that
the numbers are only ridiculous if there is nothing to back them up. sw doesnt have the proof. EU is dead and not usable. those numbers are indeed ridiculous. when you put the on screen, not legend, feats of sw up against st, sw = epic fail.
john boggs Star Wars Legends is as dead as the non-Kelvin timeline of Star Trek, which is where you are getting your numbers and feats. The main difference is that Disney has only made one good star wars movie, one mediocre, one terrible, as well as one terrible and stupid tv show aimed at toddlers. The Kelvin timeline star Trek movies are however pretty decent. If you are counting the star trek timeline that doesn't count anymore, I can count the star wars timeline that doesn't count anymore. Also the star wars material calls things lasers that aren't rarely is something actually a laser, ion weapons are designed to shut down technology, also star wars has weapons that just straight up undo crystalline materials molecular structure and they also happen to go through shields. Also if star trek really was that much more grounded in reality then it's numbers would be smaller than star wars, at least as depicted. Star Wars also faced the Yuuzhan Vong a species whose technology provided a hard counter to their own and won despite starting the war with every possible disadvantage, something the star trek forces have not done to my knowledge, yes I know of the Borg, but they pretty much just use better more powerful versions of star trek's already existing tech as opposed to actually countering their tech with different tech. The Borg were terrifying, but the Vong were much harder to defeat, if only because the Borg were using tech that was pretty much just more advanced version of the tech star trek was already using.
The Enterprise has been seen on multiple occasions drilling through the crust of a planet, several hundred meters and the time of firing is 1-2 seconds. where as the star destroyers can bombard for several minutes and not breach the surface to any significant level. now this level of power gets shown in shields, if those in the ST universe can do that sort of damage then you figure their primary enemies have the same level of power, which their shields have to withstand showing the vast superiority of the ST universe shields. dont get me wrong, I love both universes, but it is like comparing civil war units vs modern day units.
What a dumb assumption. Turbo laser bombardment isn’t meant for planetary destruction, it’s meant for structural obliteration. Proton torpedoes are the equivalent destroyer of crust, where a single proton torpedo has been shown to crater into planets akin to underground nuclear blasts. Beyond that, a star destroyer, being of larger size is going to have larger power plants in order to run its systems. It’s multiple reactors will have far greater energy reserves than some lowly exploration vessel. Look at this logically: in Star Trek, you are looking at earth some few thousand years ahead of us in our current timeline. They’ve been at peace for almost all of it, focusing their research/development on peaceful technology to aid in exploration. Examples: transporters, genesis life creators, advanced sensors for scanning. By the time of the empire and the OT, the Empire, (formerly the republic), is well over 30,000 years ahead from the Rakatan infinite empire, spending 29,000 years in perpetual warfare. As such, they’ve developed weapons far superior to anything seen in Star Trek. Examples: Darth Angrals harrower class star destroyer from SWTOR, Superweapon projects like the Death Star, planetary shielding, and a long list of super weapons designed around planetary destruction working back for thousands of years. The longest lasting peace was between the war against the brotherhood of darkness in the last Sith wars and the clone wars clocking in at about 1000 years. There’s no way a peacetime exploration navy that’s been around for approximately 3,000 years has the weapons, firepower, or tactics to fight a wartime navy built upon 30 millennia of battlefield experiences and developments. That’s the modern day equivalent of putting Shaolin monks against the US Army. Sure, a shaolin CAN fight well. But they are not warriors, they are not trained military personnel. They don’t exist for the singular purpose of war since it’s inception. And this doesn’t even account for the possibility of running into a force-sensitive individual such as Jedi knights, (or in the more accurate case of star destroyers Sith Inquisitors or lords.) Against the powers of brings like Darth Vader, the enterprise would be destroyed outright.
@@nathanielweber7843 Having bigger power plants means nothing if those power plants are only designed to make electrons flow. The Death Star literally has to be that extreme size to be able to have enough power plants to even fire the laser cannon that is capable of destroying a planet. Star Treks tech allows them vastly more power in a smaller package cause of its quantum controller particle energy tech, allowing something as small as the USS Defiant the ability to destroy planets with phasers alone. The power advantage ST has over SW is simply that orders of magnitude extreme.
@@brickbunny9686 I disagree with your assessment about weapons being orders of magnitude greater: if you look at all of Star Trek against all of Star Wars (including legends), Star Wars has equally potent, if not more deadly weapons. But let’s give you your assumptions. Let’s only talk about the enterprise and star destroyers. Even if everything you say is correct, and a one-to-one battle favors Star Trek (which is disputable at best), the empire can field star destroyers at a rate in excess of ten-to-one. Mega-cruisers like the executor or the eclipse themselves would overmatch star fleet in one to ones. Death Star tech could wipe out earth in less than five minutes. Even if I granted each of your talking points in a one on one, Star Wars still wins the war. But to return to the one v one: you may have a more potent reactor, but we have multiples. At best, it evens out. You are not faster in any significant way, and we have the bombers and fighter screens to make up for any range differentials. Our ion cannons can drain your power faster than you can drain ours by simple mathematics. We have over 60 heavy weapons, you have about twelve. Which ever way you slice this, you don’t outclass the star destroyer so greatly that you have winning certainties. If anything, star destroyers have enough overwhelming firepower to decimate your shields first, but I’m willing to concede that it’s close. Ultimately however, I have the satisfaction of knowing that even if we lose some star destroyers, we still subjugate your pathetic exploration fleet beneath the boot of our might.
@@nathanielweber7843 Wrong. Quantum controlled particle energy systems, intnetionally creating artificial particles optimized to destroy atoms, by the artificial energy particle called Nadeons, being fired at an electron shield is simply a hot knife threw butter, while your ion cannons are merely charged Radon Gas super heated into a weapon, other then that you are only firing electrons against the a particle energy shield. You could fire your electron weapons against a quantum controlled particle energy shield all day with your fleets of Star Destroyers and a single Galaxy Class Starship from the ST universe would slice threw them like a child unleashed into a cookie shop where all the employees quite while the manager was out for lunch. Your entire fleet would be destroyed. Your SW fleets would not be able to do anything to stop a single Galaxy Class ship, even if they tried ramming it with a hyperspace jump. a single galaxy class ship has that much overwhelming power using quantum physics over your SW electron controlled power systems. Even the Tie fighters have no chance. The Galaxy class Star Ship from ST could just Zero Elevation attack and fry them all at once without targeting anything.
@@nathanielweber7843 When you need an entire death star s worth of generators to power a moon sized space station, just to have enough power for a huge freaking laser cannon, just to destroy a planet, that alone shows just how inadequate SW electron power systems really are, verses Quantum controlled particle energy systems of StarFleet ships that can destroy a planet just as easily. A star Fleet ship half the size of your Star Destroyer ones, capable of destroying planets, that require your SW universe space station the size of earths moon to be able to do the same job. Mass produce your Empires fleet all you want, they will be shredded by the sheer orders of magnitude better tech StarFleet has.
The enterprise has used its phasers to drill holes through a planets crust, I'd say that's powerful enough for planetary bombardment. Star trek focuses mainly on science and complex stories, star wars is more fantasy and action, I don't think you can compare the two
Three things that you overlooked: 1 - All but the few heaviest lasers on an ISD are short range defense weapons. Again, playing the video games shows this as well as the older source books. The issue is that, yes, they are a murder-fest if you are at under about 10-15km range, and provide almost perfect anti-fighter screening, but farther out than that, you they are useless. In terms of actual ranged output and also as seen in the recent movies like Last Jedi, even the larger weapons have a hard time dealing damage at a significant range. This is why they are forced to use their fighters. The top speed of an ISD is also absurdly slow being that it is really a fleet carrier and mobile command post. 2: Range. Star Trek ships are used to engaging at thousands of kilometers away. Unless they literally drop in on top of the ISD and are forced to start at zero velocity, all it takes is a quick burst of speed, turn around, and kite at 1000km until the shields are down. Even then, the 3-4 seconds it takes to issues a command and *humans* manning those guns to aim and start firing, the Enterprise is already warped out or at 1/4 impulse. Officially, that's 18,665 km/s. Now you see me, now you simply don't. Absolutely impossible to aim and hit via humans while kiting. 3: Computer Core. The Enterprise has an advanced computer core that automates firing as well as defense and shield balancing on a speed that doesn't exist in Star Wars. Nothing the entire Tie Fighter fleet can throw at it will save them when they can be swatted by phasers at ranges of 100km+ Their official "range" of their weapons is less than 10km. A few might make it to the ship, but it can just short-range warp 100km away in a few seconds. They simply never catch up and get picked off at a rate of several per second since they have no shields. The win goes almost every time to The Enterprise simply because of its absurd speed advantage, ability to warp in seconds without having to plot hyperspace paths, and range of its weapons.
Also the enterprise has the ability to split the disc section from the engine and engineering bay so there for making it 2 targets to deal with the enterprise would easily out manoeuvre the slow star destroyer and will get out of range before the star destroyer could start to deal any damage past the enterprise’s shields not only that the targeting system on the enterprise is far more superior than that of any imperial vessel so it would know where to hit and how far away to be
Riker ‘status?’ Worf; “Enemy has fired weapons. Estimating time to impact. The computer appears to be in error.’ Data: ‘The computer is correct. If we remain here, the fire from those weapons will pass by our location harmlessly in 6 months, 12 days, 9 hours, and 47 minutes.’ Riker: ‘6 MONTHS to impact’ Data: ‘technically, they will never impact as all weapons fire will miss’ Riker: ‘you’re saying they fired 100 warning shots?’ Data: ‘No sir. This appears to be the limit of their accuracy.’ Riker: ‘who are these clowns? Target engines and weapons systems only.’
No, they actually have 60 Turbolasers and 60 Ion Cannons, plus 10 Tractor Beams to ensnare enemy ships. Despite the name, they do not fire lasers, rather they fire a plasma bolt, similar to other Star Wars blasters, using gas as a power source. Laser beams are used to guide them to their target. The Ion Cannons are used to disable enemy shields.
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Star Trek capital ships move way faster than Star Wars fighters. Star Wars weapons are manually targeted. Unless the gunners are Force-sensitive, even hitting the Enterprise would require a miracle.
I mean I'm on the star trek side of this debate but it's not a stretch that the turrets on a Star destroyer would have targeting ais while not being manned. (I am no star wars nerd, in fact I think the entire series is pretty dumb, at least outside of video games, just a personal opinion I see why others enjoy it). In Star Wars Battlefront 2, the good one, not the new one, I'm fairly certain that one of the interior things you can blow up if you manage to land on a ship is a targeting computer. Could be wrong there tho and also I imagine that game isn't exactly considered canon lol.
The main bennefits of Star wars more than anything else is resources, Star wars is in a galaxy where somehow almost every planet seems inhabited and is able to easily be mined. Star Trek habitable planets are very few and uninhabitable planets face large issues to bennefit from any resources possible. Thanks to this Star wars has an unimaginable humanoid resource and item resource.
the troopers manning the turbolasers manage to still hit small fighters such as x wings or the arc-170. The enterprise is fast yes, but its huge, and its saucer section is literally a bullseye with the bridge in the middle, this silhouette only being made larger by the shape of the shields they employ. A single turbolaser firing can miss yes, but what about 80 of them? As the author said this is an extremely unfair fight, in their own right each ship is beyond impressive, however the star destroyer is a WARship, while the enterprise is a science vessel capable of defending itself. Speaking on terms of the crew however, there is absolutely zero question that the enterprise has a vastly more skilled crew, and I believe the federation has better technology as well. That all being said, I actually think this is a close fight, the star destroyer will take pretty damn good damage, however ultimately the enterprise cannot keep up with the blanket of fire that the destroyer puts out... also I disagree with the author in the sense that the fighters would not be effective, sure they have peashooters by comparison but if the enterprise's engines take a hit (which lets be honest we've seen the show, they do) the fighters could swarm and take out the phaser arrays and torpedo tubes with relative ease. Sorry for the essay.
@@Castia158 The Enterprise is a science vessel capable of defending its self ? That is just utter nonsense..... We all know its really just a future version of 'murder on the orient express' / apartment complex really
@@Castia158 Yes but the enterprise is massively faster than any fighter in the Star Wars universe (like absolute velocity being in the range of 1-50% the speed of light) and has massive acceleration advantage over those fighters as well. Not to mention the massive range advantage. In fact the enterprise outs stats a star destroyer in nearly every way possible except for the number of weapons on board, the crew complement, and overall size. I mean if you look at the stats for either you see that the enterprise takes it in terms of shot for shot firepower (this is also by a wide margin), weapons range (this ones like a 60x margin), speed, shield capability, platform flexibility, acceleration, etc. This is like the HMS Victoria versus Type 143a Gepard Class, the Victoria simply does not have the necessary weapons to hit the Gepard Class yet the Gepard can pound it to dust with the 76mm and Anti ship Missiles from out side it’s range. Being a warship doesn’t preclude it from being massively out stated.
Eck I think you're mostly right, but Starfleet crew are trained to view their surroundings in very scientific ways. I think you underestimate the speed at which they would figure out that the Imp2 can't fire behind itself (I'm relying heavily on Data for this one). I think they'd figure it out within the first minute and then take maybe another minute to two at most to get there. That gives the Imp2 a max time of 3 minutes to destroy the Enterprise D, all while its still flying circles around the Imp2. I'd give the Enterprise the 7/10 win tbh.
@@copterinx0468 Lol, I guess. If they had sisko they would just "prophet" them into oblivion so I guess that would be fair. But they still do have way better sensors, and would figure it out
@@bobjoebo8933 Perhaps. But even then, finding the blind spot is different from getting there. Sure, Enterprise is faster, but all the Star Destroyer has to do is turn. If the Enterprise makes a tight circle around the Star Destroyer, the Star Destroyer's weapons will obliterate the Enterprise much faster. If the Enterprise keeps its distance, the Star Destroyer may be able to turn fast enough. It comes down really to just how much faster the Enterprise is and how much punishment it can take. Hard to call. In Rogue One, Vader's star destroyer was able to obliterate a small fleet and disable a previously-functioning capital ship in...a minute? Capital ship vs. capital ship, you don't get a whole lot better than a star destroyer. It would help if the Enterprise had legit fighters, but all they have are those shuttles.
Shields weren't really covered in this video. Shields are such a big part of star trek, but barely are ever even mentioned in star wars. My guess is that the enterprise would have much better shields, but the star destroyer would have a far stronger hull.
Shields are mentioned constantly in The star wars universe. I'd argue star wars Shields are more powerful as they can take quite a beating from heavy weaponry. Episode 8 showed small ships surviving very heavy bombardment from a much larger ship with much heavier weaponry albeit for a short period in close range and for a long period just out of optimum firing range. For episode 5 we see the millennium falcon, a freighter, take multiple hits from a Star destroyer.
@@RetractedandRedacted here's how I explain it... both sides get 1200 shield points ISD = 600 shields in back 600 in front ST = with 12 plates that's 100 per plate
@@nocrtname Well, I'd say it's more of a shield-gating/layering would be seen as obsolete. I mean, ships are hauling butt in the megalight range throwing bolts at you, gating shields would just be pointless. It's like comparing the rind of a watermelon to the skin of an onion. They both work the same function, but one is for durability out in the open, whereas the other isn't really designed for that. If you take ten sheets of paper and compare it to a sheet of paper ten sheets thick, it's hard to see which is better because a hammer can drive a nail through both equally. But when you look at the sheer size of the destroyer compared to the Enterprise, you'll soon see the mistakes. It's not 10 sheets vs 1 sheet, ten thick; its actually a whole darn notebook-thick sheet of paper vs 3-sheets of paper.
FYI...the Borg laser was only effective because the Enterprise's shields were down, otherwise it would not have been able to penetrate the Enterprise D's shields...also the word laser is an acronym, "light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation", so unless light is different in a different galaxy (which it isn't), a laser is a laser is a laser. Shields are designed in both universes to deflect the weapons being used against them. In the SW universe there are lasers, super lasers, ion cannons and various bombs. In the ST universe there are lasers, phasers, super phasers, phaser cannons and various torpedoes. Just comparing the two lists, the SW weapons are inferior in technology to the ST weapons, which means that ST shields would withstand anything a Star Destroyer could throw at it, whereas SW shields would easily be taken down by the Enterprise's phasers...if only because they have never encountered and would have no way to stop more advanced weapons. And size doesn't necessarily translate to power, the USS Defiant could easily defeat a SSD simply because a SSD could not deal with a ship that small and maneuverable and the Defiant's weapons are far superior to the SSD's defensive capabilities. A far more even battle would be between either Star Destroyer and a Omega class destroyer from B5 or a Mercury class battlestar from BSG. Those three universes are very similar in terms of technology...IMHO...
Special note. A single xwing fighter has always shown to be able to defeat the shields of a star destroyer even the super star destroyer. Also note that the star destroyers shields still allowed crafts to magnetically attach to the hull. (Empire Strikes Back). Star Wars universe uses "Matter Collapsing Reactors" basically fancy nuclear and stated fusion drive technology. Some say it's like Romulan Singularity Cores but no evidence of similarity. Star Trek uses anti-matter and fusion reactors, warp plasma capacitors and charged capacity banks. (Mainly Phasers). Also Star Trek impulse speed are faster than even the Melinium Falcon therefore tracking a target manually would be extremely difficult. Star Trek computers are based on subspace technology so processing would be vastly superior than star wars which is still based off Speed Of Light technology like ours. On top of that, the enterprise d had 12 personal shuttle crafts, ten cargo shuttles, five special crafts (Runabouts) and a compliment of worker shuttles. All had shields, deflectors and offensive weapons,(worker shuttles was the weakest and was not warp capable, mainly used to repair ship in space). Here's a really special note. Star Wars had one advantage and that was their communication technology was far more superior as it even surpassed hyperspace speed. That's how I think the Order was able to track in hyperspace the rebel fleet in "The Last Jedi". Here's two big booming advantages that was not adressed, Enterprise had entered the Corona of a star and photon Torpedoes have been fired at distances of close to 92 million miles from a star.
You forgot the Sovereign class. With more powerful shields and quantum torpedoes. If you really want to get ridiulous there is Voyager with Admiral Janeaway's upgrades. What would transphasic torpedoes do to an executor let alone an SD.
Star wars doesn't use laser tho. I love Star Trek and yes the Enterprise would destroy that star destroyer in a few minutes max, but star wars still shoots plasma. So its a small 5000+°C bolt of plasma wich the Enterprise evades 95% of the time. The second the Enterprise would stop moving and stand in Front of the ISD for a few seconds it would be fucked. But it wont do that. Thats why it will win most of the times.
I've said it before functionally the enterprise has the star destroyer out classed in menuverability, and even firepower more then once it's noted that on a planet without shields a constitution class is capable of glassing a planet let alone a galaxy class which is far more advanced. Also there is a range difference and biggest is a precision difference with the ability to fire concentrated and pinpoint accurate shots at the sheild emmiters on the star destroyer where the isd has no answer for. Tie fighters aren't even a factor as they would be cut to ribbons long before they even got in range. Even if you concede the weapons have simmilar levels of power the accuracy and speed at which a phaser can be delivered is staggering as it is not a plasma bolt it is a straight up particle ray and is nearly instanious.
I agree in essence , but a ISD holds 72 tie fighters, which are smaller, faster, and have greater maneuverability. Could the enterprise D take on all 72 tie fighters and the ISD. The other issue is sheer aggressiveness. Picard will be hailing them and firing warning shots while the ISD goes ape on them. I do think the enterprise E would obliterate an ISD. However, the star trek crew would be wiped out by the storm troopers they rescue.
Also, what happens if the ISD decides to launch it’s interceptors or the bombers? The interceptor is much faster and packs a heavier punch while the bomber can devastate the Enterprise with one hit while being more armored.
@Satanic Microchip v3 It would still buy the ISD some time. Also, newer tie fighters have shields and most tie pilots are capable of disabling turrets with ease. It is impossible for the Enty to shoot down all of them without taking a hit, which the ISD would push the advantage and bada bing bada boom, no more enterprise.
@Satanic Microchip v3 ISD still wins hands down. While it is busy with the fighters, the ISD is firing turbolasers, ion cannons, super lasers (big boy guns) one after another, and some ISDs have a big planet killer laser in the front that can penetrate all shields made before a certain date. Chances are, the shields can not stand up to the barrage and the Enterprise would force a retreat.
@Satanic Microchip v3 Also have I mentioned how easy it is to hit the engines? The Enty has her engines on the side while the ISD engines are protected by the front.
And there you go,,,damn snub fighters tear Warz apart but this fool thinks Phaser Banks from 300K kilometers away AND Photon Torpedos can't get through shielding...not to mention REAL SHIELDS!!!
@Shayne Duke Which can't track fast enough to shoot at snubfighters...much less a ship moving at 1/4 the speed of light at an oblique angle. A Star Destroyer could only hit a Galaxy Class if her helm were incredibly stupid or the gunnery crews on the Star Destroyer were unfathomably lucky.
Yes amazing that a handful of x-wings can do what the plot needs them to do for the sake of the plot. It’s like complaining that John McClain would have died when terrorists shot at him with automatic weapons or that air ducts aren’t big enough for a grown man to fit in.
@@crackgoat9780 Care to ask the Imperial Japanese Navy how many ships they lost to a "handful of aircraft"? IJN Akagi's death was decided by three dive bombers; one Miss, one Near Miss, and one Hit. Two 1000 pound bombs from three planes (the only two sizable pieces of ordinance to get anywhere near it) from a whopping three planes sealed the fate of the second most powerful aircraft carrier in the world.
One complication: In one of the Star Wars movies, someone destroyed one of the sphere things on the outside of a star destroyer, which immediately disabled the shields, which led to the destruction of the ship. Federation star ships have excellent sensors and good science/engineering officers who might be able to figure out this vulnerability and exploit it.
You have to either breach the shields first or move under the shields of the star destroyer first. Do you honestly think the shields domes are not covered by the shield they emit?
assuming you mean during the battle of endor with those a-wings, that had only destroyed a portion of the shields you can hear one of the officers say "sir, we've lost our *bridge deflector shields* meaning that they lost the deflector shields to their primary bridge, but honestly i still dont think a star destroyer has a chance against an enterprise
@@thomasc9789 if a Star Destroyer loses its bridge, the ship is down. Star Fleet ships can be commanded from anywhere in the ship. Engineering can take over.
Worf: Captain! The enemy is firing on us! Picard: They are? Worf: Yes sir! They are using some sort of ancient laser based weaponry. Picard: Disable them and then open a comms channel. Worf: Yes sir!
In TOS the Constitution class Enterprise was said to be able to singlehandedly destroy a planet on multiple occasions. The Galaxy class Enterprise of TNG was many magnitudes more powerful than a Constitution class. In order to wipe out a planet the Galactic Empire had to build a massive moon sized weapon. If the Star Destroyer was truly more powerful than a Galaxy Class Starship; why not use a Star Destroyer to destroy Alderaan? It is also important to remember that Star Trek vessels of opposing sides (ex. Starfleet vs. Romulan Star Empire) are often portrayed as having similar fire power. So when engaged in combat; their shields are regularly shrugging off weapons with world destroying potential. It would seem that Starfleet vessels are vastly more powerful than anything in the Star Wars universe; in terms of fire power, defensive shielding, and speed (at least against Star Destroyers.) This is how I see it playing out (provided there is open war already, and the orders are to destroy the enemy, and there is no advanced warning from "the force.") The Galaxy class Enterprise detects the Star Destroyer at extremely long range with it's superior tech, and stops outside of the SD's sensor range. The computer in the Enterprise identifies all vulnerable areas for targeting on the SD, and determines the offensive capabilities of the SD as well. The Enterprise then will potentially reposition to optimize for the attack. It would then likely close distance rapidly firing a full spread of torpedoes, (potentiality photonic, and or quantum depending on the timeframe) simultaneously hitting key defensive systems with phaser fire. The tactics used would largely depend on the Enterprise computer's evaluation of the capabilities of the SD, but could range from a hit and run style attack considering a formidable opponent, or a sit there and Tank the hits approach considering a comparatively weak opponent. In full disclosure; I have never been a fan of Star Wars, and have little knowledge of that universe. I have a substantial amount of knowledge of Star Trek. So my evaluation is based off of what I already know of Star Trek, and what was said in this video. It really seems like a easy win for the Enterprise based on what the presenter said about the Star Destroyer, and that does not even take into account potential transporter trickery. Once you add a "Force User" to the mix; a Star Destroyer becomes much more formidable I think. Without one; it seems doomed.
You're almost right: even if a "Force User" is on the SD it has little to no chance. Because: 1. The Ship computer is highly advanced and could possibly run the Ship without any crewman (it can create life) 2. One letter: Q (You brought good facts to this "Zone of War". Keep it up)
Except if you go by raw stats the each main gun on an ISD is about 2,800 times stronger than a phaser bank on the Enterprise D. Enterprise D has 12 phaser banks, ISD has 60 of those main guns. Plus a complement of 72 TIE fighters to help out. And shields around 20 *billion* times stronger than the Enterprise... If you go by raw numbers from the tech manuals of both universes. It gets a little absurd. They're not really comparable, but from a raw numbers standpoint, all the numbers are bigger in the Star Wars universe, so in direct translation, nothing from Star Trek, not even the Borg, come close. They chose different levels as the "base" level for both universes.
Speed Advantage(Sub-Light, where Combat takes place, in Star Wars anyways...)- Enterprise. Weapons Range Advantage- Enterprise. Sensor Advantage- Enterprise. Target Acquisition and Targeting Advantage- Enterprise. "Micro-jump" Advantage- Enterprise. Ability to Improvise/Adapt(ie, Modulate Shields to cope with Fire, Change Phaser Frequencies to Overcome Shields, use the Transporter, use Shuttles to Distract the ISD and/or Kill the TIEs, etc...)- Enterprise. AND the Fact that the Enterprise is a Exploration Vessel vs a Warship.... Verdict: Enterprise WINS!!! Change My Mind.
You forgot the ISD is crewed by Imperial Clones who couldn't hit the broad side of a planet. I'll take a Red Shirt any day. At least they go out fighting. Who would you pick? Imperial Clones or Spaceball's Morons?"
@@jeffroseborough8160 Imperial "Clones" are NOT Stormtroopers. I'll take the Clone Troopers in ANY Engagement vs "Redshirts"!!! Stormtroopers are a entirely different Variable altogether(and THAT is discounting the Words of Obi-wan Kenobi on Tatooine..... "and these Blast Points, only Imperial Stormtroopers are so PRECISE".). Vader's 501st are NOT a Joke!!! Star Trek wins in Ship to Ship Battles. On the Ground(in Corridors, etc) Redshirts are NOT M.A.C.O. Operatives. Here's a Question: Which Trooper gets the most Plot Armor???? More "Variables to Consider, No?.....
You forgot the hull strengh!!! in into darkness, the uss vengance crashed into a city, destroyed a good amount of buildings and its hull was pretty much intact afterwards. A star destroyer slowly crashes into the Death star and immediatly explodes ... guess that's another point for the enterprise
I agree with a majority of what you said, however I don’t think the Enterprise would win, and even if it did it would only be barely. The Imperial II Star Destroyer has some of the most powerful Turbolaser batteries in the starwas eu and a LOT of them. Not to mention great shielding and a thick hull. There’s also the factor of starfighter complement, imperial star destroyer can carry a good number of imperial tie fighter and interceptors, not to mention bombers. Though the starfighters themselves may not be Good starfighters, but the skill of the average imperial pilot and the sheer number of them will be a large threat to the enterprise. Even with the enterprise more precise phasers, the speed of the average tie fighter most likely will be able to out run their fire. So though the enterprise may be able to move quickly throughout sub Sub light space, the starfighters will collect enough trouble so that they will have to focus on majority of their attention on to not getting bombed by the Thai bombers and their escorts, not to mention this whole time the imperial to start a steward will be moving into range, if it wasn’t already, and firing a majority of its batteries into the enterprise. The enterprise may have speed and more precise weapons, however its downfall is the fact that it’s a jack of all trades type of ship. It is not meant for war, the ISD is a pure bred warship meant for one thing, the complete destruction of other ships. Hell I’d go as far as to say that maybe even a Venetor class start destroyer could go head to head with the enterprise. Perhaps not win, but it would hold up a good fight. And the Venetor was simply a predecessor to the ISD
*States that the Enterprise would lose* *Also states that the Enterprise would have the speed advantage and is probably more effective at range* *Jackie Chan wtf JPEG*
The fact that the Enterprise 1701 (the original series Enterprise) could do serious damage to an entire planet from orbit has already been proven in the mirror universe. In ST-TOS episode “Mirror, Mirror” the mirror Kirk threatens to destroy the Halkon civilization from orbit (and it‘s stated he’s already destroyed other civilizations on other planets in a similar manner) and mirror Spock prepares to do just that (though hopefully “our” Kirk talked him out of it) so it probably was not an empty threat. Also I’m pretty sure Spock would notice if some smaller ship clamped to the outside of the Enterprise hiding but Han Solo got away with that quite easily with a star destroyer. Star Wars sensors suck.
Why would you ever want to be a red shirt in star trek TOS everyone knows thats a death sentence, i love that satire from Galaxy Quest when guy looses it when they go down to retrieve the Beryllium sphere as he made it clear guys like him (RED SHIRTS!) always die
Star Destroyers also have the capacity to destroy civilizations quite easily on their own through orbital bombardment, it would of course take less time if there were more destroyers to entirely sterilize a world (base delta zero) of larger and more powerful one, but a standard ISD could get the job done. I agree with eck’s conclusion, the Enterprise is no pushover but I’d give the Destroyer the edge as it’s simply much more prepared and capable for battle as it’s in a galaxy that’s constantly at war
4:45 They definitely aren't lasers. A laser is a concentrated beam of photons, which obviously travel at the speed of light. Star wars "lasers" clearly do not.
Yep that's what i though a few days ago since i've been listening to a lot of Star Wars theories in the background. SW literally has people collect gas like on Bespin for use in Turbo Lasers, they literally fill containers with them, then insert them in the turrets and those turrets then fire that gas... And Plasma is just that, concentrated, energized gas. Pretty sure they made it this way in the prequels so that it seems plausible to some extent, whilst calling the lasers... Well the originals came a long long time ago xD... Pretty sure they just called the lasers since it sounded cool and shit.
Star Wars weapons were named lasers because that was during the 70’s, when the Internet didn’t exist and sci-fi almost always used laser guns. People started calling them lasers and they couldn’t check it on Google or something, so the name stuck.
No they were lasers because that what the creators of Star Wars intended for them to be. The plasma weapon myth came into existence via the fanfiction of the EU in about 1996 or 97.And was never canon until Disney adopted it in 2014. Until that point all true Canon literature had those weapons as coherent light weapons. Lasers not plasma.
david lawrence You’re ignoring the fact that these so-called lasers do not move at the speed of light, and are visible to the naked eye. They were never lasers in anything but name. If they were, they would be entirely invisible to the naked eye, have a cutting effect rather than explosive, and travel at relativistic speeds. The weapons fire blaster bolts, and they just don’t do that.
Worf " Captain sensors are telling us that the star destroyer has minimal shielding and no weapon to the rear of the ship". Picard" Mr. Data warp us out of here, then come in behind that ship." Riker, " Mr. Worf prepare a full spread of photon and quantum torpedoes. Fire!
I hate myself for knowing this, but Enterprise D didn't have quantum torpedoes. They were limited to Enterprise E, Defiant, and a few others. Other than that, I agree completely the Enterprise would, through faster speeds, better tactics, make short work of a Star Destroyer. Oh, and for Shawn, there was an episode of Star Trek TNG where a group of small fighters without shields (like a tie fighter) were launched against Enterprise D, they had all of 2 seconds on screen before the Enterprise vaporised them.
@Shawn Pruitt yes it has artillery but it's kinetic artillery which is no match for an Enterprise Shield. The Enterprise D has a top and bottom beam array, it can hit many targets at once with pinpoint precision. 72 tie fighters would be gone in seconds. bridge shield generators on the SD would be instantly eliminated due to them being stuck out like sore thumbs. And yes the Star Wars universe uses lasers not plasma. They do use Ion cannons and those eliminate Star destroyers in one hit, particle cannons. Those may pose a threat.
@@joeclaridy Not that I remember. From what I understand, the Quantum torpedoes weren't available until after the Enterprise D had been destroyed, and even then were limited to certain vessels; like the Enterprise E, Defiant, etc...
With great difficulty the Enterprise would take out the star Destroyer. It has 360° weapon arrays that can fire at multiple targets simultaneously with far more accuracy than a turbo laser. Plus the fact that Picard does know a trick in which he leaves a warp double to appear like he is one place and then appear elsewhere in the same system. He did it to save the stargazer. They even crack jokes on the star trek about lasers saying that it didn't even scratch the shields therefore meaning the ship itself can hold up against lasers and drop the shields of the destroyer and basically make the ship into swiss cheese simply because of the fact that the ship has superior tech in both the defensive and offensive areas
" Your likeness will be added to our own " scans star destroyer ..detects Disney influence . backs up in absolute horror " We are so sorry let us just end your suffering " " Starwars - " THANK YOU "" Borg " Fire EVERYTHING "
@@al4lve79ashcraft9 sorry magic doesnt exist in the star trek world and light sabbers cant penetrate energy fields per clone wars movie and in star trek they have personal shields per star trek tng episode a fist full of Datas
I hope someone already made the argument, but I'll state it anyway. ST, specifically the Galaxy-class starships vs. Imperial-class SDs, has a huge speed advantage, which in a tactical theory, is a winning strategy. The advanced sensors of a Galaxy-class, or any Fed ship, would be able to instantly identify the weakness of the SDs aft firing arc, or lack of one. Get in behind an Imperial SD and hammer away at engines and then target the command tower. Game over. Even in SW lore it was a proven strategy. SW X-wing: The Krytos Trap novel ALONE proved that. Also you mentioned the TIE-fighters and you were right when you said they'd be completely ineffective. A combat ready and equipped Galaxy-class vessel would have combat model shuttles at minimum. Even the maximum number that ship could hold would make space dust of every Imperial fighter and then use their speed and agility to pinpoint target and destroy weapon emplacements with a single shot each. ST starships would dominate SW fleets with ease. The only advantage the Empire has is sheer numbers. And that wouldn't count for much once the ST fleets get into a battle rhythm. Love your vids anyway. Keep on keepin' on.
I disagree with you when it comes to Tie-fighters. I may able to defeat a dozen of them but it won't able to handle thousands of fighters. Those Tie-fighters will do some damage to the Galaxy-class.
@@nyc1164 Thousands? How many tie fighters do you think SDs carry? I believe the agreed on number is 72 (6 squadrons of 12 ships each). I googled it and the answer came right up, but I also went to a couple forums. This number seems to work with Vader's Super SD, which had 144 tie fighters. The Enterprise D would be able to handle 72 tie fighters. And yes, a Galaxy Class starship that is knowingly going into battle would serve as a carrier of sorts. In the Dominion War, Starfleet, as stated in this video, utilized fighters. These fighters would be carried by Galaxy Class ships because of the sheer number of shuttle/cargo bays available on those ships.
@criuth I've always found it interesting how Star Trek fans are far more capable of being fans of both franchises, while Star Wars fans, in large part, are incapable of liking Star Trek. That said, I recently converted one of these exact Star Wars fanboys into a Star Trek fan. I first showed him the Tie Fighter animated short that on RUclips. He knew I liked Star Trek and was blown away that I'd be interested in something to do with Star Wars. Then I showed him one of those "modern trailers" of The Wrath of Khan. His mouth was agape. Last I heard he is a hard core Star Trek fan. lol
So I feel compelled to throw in my 2 cents here. First of all I am a much bigger Star Wars fan than I am a Star Trek fan. I think that’s important to state as it lets you know where my bias is. That being said. I see no evidence that more advanced technology is used in the Star Wars universe than the Star Trek universe. Data is clearly more advanced than any droid in StarWars. Star Trek has holo decks, transporters, cloaking devices, time travel, and arguably better medical methods. The Enterprise’s smaller sleeker design would make it a much more difficult target. Plus if need be it could separate into 2 sections. Ultimately, my biggest issue with the Imperial Star Destroyers is that they seem more like intimidating looking carriers. If they are allowed to use their Tie Fighters than maybe we’d have a serious fight, but when considering just ship to ship, well.....; I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a Star Destroyer destroy another ship of any kind. Can I get a fact check on that? I believe it’s implied and assumed that they are credited for having taken out some X-Wings and Y-Wings, but do we actually know that? We do know that blasts from small fighter craft are strong enough to destroy a Star Destroyer’s deflector shields, and that once down, the impact from a small fighter craft is all it takes to penetrate and destroy a Star Destroyer’s bridge. So I think you all know where I’m going with this. Both ships come out of light speed or warp speed. They both throw up their respective shields. The Enterprise moves faster and is harder to hit and has shields that can withstand powerful blasts from other starships. The Star Destroyer is a slow moving sitting duck with 2 easy to target shield generators that can be taken down by a few concentrated fighter class blasts. The Star Destroyer has hundreds of plasma/laser cannons that as far as we know have never hit the broadside of a barn much less a moving ship. So what prevents the Enterprise from locking its phasers on the Star Destroyers 2 shield generators and popping them like darts thrown at a water balloon, and then sending 1 or 2 photon torpedos straight through the Star Destroyer’s easy to hit bridge? I realize there is likely some nuance mixed in somewhere, but isn’t this realistically how most people believe this fight would go down? It’s basically a quality versus quantity fight. The Empire just doesn’t design things that well. Change my mind.
OK black and white... Star Trek ships would annialate star wars ships. I love both universes, but I'm confident the defiant alone could wipe them all out.
One thing, the Enterprise can "come about" and completely reverse heading in seconds. Star Destroyers take minutes to lumber around and reverse heading. For that I think an Enterprise has a huge maneuverability advantage over the SD. That advantage may allow the Ent to disengage and continue to attack from distance.
@@alanmodimages The Doomsday Machine also highlights the Enterprise's shield durability. That machine literally blows up planets with it's energy beams, and the Enterprise survived four hits from it.
Any time Trek crews lose badly enough, somebody goes back in time and rigs the outcome. The Empire already beat them, but that timeline has been erased.
Time wasn't really used as a weapon for the most part. It was used in the tos movie to save the whales, kinda different than used as a weapon. In most cases they try not to change the past. In ST Enterprise they was trying to keep the timeline as unaltered as possible. It was the borg and an unknown alien that started the temerpal(sp) cold war. During voyager there was an alien race that built a time weapon that was destroying civilizations left and right by removing them from time itself. So let's not try that shall we? I just dismantled your argument with TOS, TNG, and voy. As to the main topic SW doesn't have a snow ball's chance on the surface of our sun in winning. Trek out techs Out speeds Out range Over powers Everything in SW in terms of battle. Only thing SW has is going from point A to Point B in a straight line of a predetermined hyperspace lane. Go outside of that lane and they could run into a planet, star, or a singularity. Remember that was the warning he(Solo) gave luke. Care to try again?
You made an error. The Borg cube cut into the E's hull because it managed to adapt to the shield frequency of the Enterprise, thus completely defeating it. The Empire doesn't have that sort of tactic or adaptive technology at all. The Enterprise's shields otherwise would stop and deflect any attacks against it. That and the D's photon torpedoes use a matter/anti-matter reaction that is VERY violent, and the Enterprise carries a f-ton of them, and can fire a massive number of them in one salvo. If properly unleashed a Galaxy Class ship will stomp anything in space, the only ship that does it better is a Sovereign Class ship. The real weakness a Galaxy Class ship has... is those in command of it. The Federation is a generally pacifistic interstellar nation, while the Empire... well.. it goes without saying. The Empire will shoot first, and against such a large ship, with everything it got. Thing is that would also be the last thing it does. Because Federation captains if properly angered... will unleash hell.
Agreed... ST shields have proven time and time again to be VERY durable against energy based weapons... at least plenty of time to retaliate with antimatter photon torpedoes...
@@somehalonerd1176 except for the fact that 1.2 kg of antimatter contain as much energy as the tsar bomb, the biggest nuke ever detonated... And photon topedoes are pretty big...so we can assume something in the Gigaton range of explosive power
I mean, to be fair, the star wars lasers are very rarely anything resembling an actual laser. Every weapon they use seems to have the properties of magnetically contained plasma (I'm something like 90% sure the entirety of Star Wars tech besides holograms and hyperdrive can be explained by extremely advanced magnetics used in weird ways, but that's another subject) so the bit about lasers versus the Enterprise's shield is kind of moot. Better to explain its history against plasma based weaponry.
@@theendersmirk5851 lol so true! Magnetics or perhaps... forcenetics? things in space that go pew pew and you can watch stream across the sky aren't lasers!
The one giant benchmark for weapon power that I would point out for the two universes is what a hand phaser vs. a blaster pistol can do. A hand phaser can literally vaporize people or solid metal objects in less than a second, while a blaster bolt seems to have about the lethality of a large caliber bullet, something in the range of a .50 cal. The levels of power output aren't even remotely comparable. If you assume that the amount of energy that weapons in these universes can put out scales comparably to ship born weaponry then it's not even a contest, Enterprise vs. Deathstar would be closer in respective firepower.
Aetrion @ Absolutely! Primitive by Federation standards, SW Blasters. Blast tech pistols require multiple "ammunition" sources to function. Such as, a blaster battery pack, and Tibanana Gas cartridges...Where, say a Type 2 Pulse Phaser from TOS: The Wrath of Khan had a self-regenerating, internal sacrum krelleid battery...And we seen how POWERFUL it was. When "Possessed" Capt. Terrell Vaporized a science Tech. from the Genesis project...And then proceeded to Disintegrate himself...
Geo @ "Yeah, down with the rabid, Star Waries of the clan FanOBI ! Take THAT Star Wars Fanboy base ! Washed up worse than Anakin Skywalker !" " Trekkies, set Phaser$ to level 7 3/4 ! To flambe ! We still have a lot of "Dark Space Magic" to get rid of !!!!" :-)
It was only that one particular type of phaser that was banned, not vaporizing phasers in general, because that one vaporized in a slow and very painful way so it was considered cruel. A Starfleet issue type II hand phaser has 16 power settings. The first 3 are stun only, no damage. 4 and 5 cause serious injuries, 6 and upwards are lethal, and 8 is enough to completely vaporize a person. Above that you start getting in to ridiculous amounts of damage: Vaporizing several meters thick rock walls, small unshielded vehicles and even entire buildings at setting 16. The reason they typically "only knock someone down" is because they are rarely set higher than stun, or in a war situation, 4 or 5. The Federation is a benevolent organization after all. In fact most phasers have a safety that detects when they are on board a starship and limits itself to the lower settings only. There are plenty examples of hand pasers vaporizing plenty of stuff, including people, on TNG, DS9 and VOY.
Sorry but half impulse( quarter the speed of light ? ) would already be too fast for a manned gun to aim at let alone hit so while Star Wars has higher energy outputting weapons, star trek's speeds in normal space would far outweigh any power differences between weaponry.
Yeah it pretty much comes down to targeting technology. Star Trek has sophisticated computer targeting, capable of specifically targeting individual ship systems on an evading ship moving at extreme speeds. Star Wars tech is pretty much manual aiming. Unless the turret is manned by Vader or another force-user, I don't see them capable of reliably landing shots on any trek ship moving at combat speeds.
They do have sublight engines but they aren't capable of combat at those speeds so it's a moot point. Not only can Star Trek ships scan normal space while in warp, they can scan several minutes out if not further moving at warp speeds. Combine that with being able to drop out of warp at a given coordinate with near pin point accuracy, shoot and reenter warp within a second, star wars' manned guns don't stand a chance.
As seen in multiple episodes, the Enterprise has TACTICAL FTL - sensors mobility and weapons. Hyperspace is faster, but is only useful for strategic level movement. Unless immediately crippled, the Enterprise could fall back, and then move on the Star Destroyer 's flank and unleash photon torpedo salvos that would impact before the Imperials ever saw them coming. They rarely pull this sort of thing in the show, because if your enemy also has tactical FTL it's a wash and you're better off with more power to your shields. The Picard Maneuver is an example of this very sort of thing though. Ignoring this is the only thing that makes this matchup even seem close.
Then force them to fight in a pitched battle, bomb base delta zero their planets so they either leave them being burned or die trying to fight off them.
@01000110 ! Hyperspace is not for tactical movement unless you want to end up inside the nearest planet. Any hyperspace jump requires careful and time consuming calculations while warp is just push a button and go. Yes, once you're in hyperspace, it's far faster than warp, but that only helps with strategic distances.
@01000110 ! In short distances, it makes no difference, cause Warp Drive can also make pretty quick jumps. Deuce at that point. And there is a differnce to. The Fed.units are very maneurable. No chance to get them by this way. And one small structural gap in the imperial shields, finish the battle, once and for all...
Even a Star Trek shuttle could actually go head to head with a TIE Fighter, as the shuttle actually has shields, and TIEs don't. Imagine if this was the D with her two Runabouts. Those even have mini photon torpedo launchers, and near star ship shields.
@@bobjoebo8933 USS Odyssey (Galaxy Class) was destroyed by a ramming attack by a corvette. A much bigger ship was torn to pieces by an Imperial SD as it came out of hyperspace with no apparent damage.
@@hoodaticus Oh that is what you meant. Yeah, that pretty much sucked. Their shields were down but... You're right. But wait the battle of Scarif! 2 star destroyers and the shield generator were taken down by a single hammer head frigate, which wasn't even a real warship (like the Odyssey). There is also the business with the Mon Calamari battleship Hyperspace-ramming into the Supremacy. Not a frigate, but it's relative size is about that. But yes, the the Odyssey was taken down easily
Tribbles!!!!!??? Heck, let's have some fun and beam over the Klingon sisters with batleths after a couple of gallons of blood-wine!!! But not Worf… Worf gets knocked down too much :(
well in terms of infantery combat: phaser vs blaster is simple question phasers can disintegrate person while blaster only do moderate damage so i guess that star trek technology is more advanced
@@itsyvonblitz6819 yeah but still Look at tissue damage Phasers can anihilate anything While blasters seem to be just little more effective than normal guns
@@hotmeatchikenbro5565 Jalen kabemba - And yet they were able to repeatedly hit a fleeing starship to the point its shields collapsed and shut down the main reactor (instead of blowing it up). Thus the Empire is most certainly capable of targeting and hitting the Enterprise....
Data: An extremely large starship just dropped out of warp. Captain: On screen. Worf: They are powering up their weapons. Captain: Raise shields! Worf: They are firing. Shields are holding. Captain: Are there any weaknesses? Data: Their shield generators are exposed. Riker: I suggest a photon torpedo spread aimed for their shield generators. Captain: Make it so. Data: Their shields are down. Captain: Hail them. Data: No response. Captain: Fire at will! And that’s about how it would go from the Enterprise’s perspective. Meanwhile on the star destroyer. Captain: We have located a tiny ship. Should be easy work for us. Vader: Shoot them, make them beg for mercy. Captain: Yes my lord. Vader: Why isn’t it working?? Captain: My lord, it seems they have activated some kind of shield. Vader: We have shields too, why are we losing? Captain: They have disarmed our shields, my lord. Vader: God damn this tiny vessel! And that’s how it would have gone from the Star Destroyer’s perspective. Conclusion: Your logic makes no sense. Star Trek is too technologically advanced in the 24th century than whenever Star Wars took place. They’re still struggling to get food and water on some planets. The Federation has more pressing matters, like the Borg, (which by the way would annihilate a Star Destroyer, but would still be an interesting video to watch.)
Star Destroyer would launch all it's fighters and with that firepower weaken Enterprises shields so Vader and 501st could board where no-one would stand a chance.. Enterprise D (being a scientific and exploration vessel with children on board) against battle hardened soldiers and a Sith Lord.... Picard would surrender when Anakin carved up a few kids again...
WH40K is overrated trash. It can't go faster than light without going nuts. Also trek has the torpedo that can wipe out every world in wh40k in one shot and reformat it. They have no defense against a weapon traveling at warp. ST and SW would both be able to crush wh40k with no problem.
@@valor1omega they can win against the Imperium of Man no arguments there given that well ehen they are hardly a stable empire to begin with. But there are Necrons(who have ancient technologies that can wipe worlds and even close the eye of terror) The Tau who are 1 of the most advanced techno races in the galaxy Eldars who are a broken race with hit and Run ships fast traveling and using fire power and speed to kill their enemies I wont even mention the endless number of the Tyranids and massive sizes+ adaptability Also most races in Wk40 also hold planet wiping technoligies including the Inperium From star trek universe there is the Borg who can stand a chance
@@darkwhispersstories47 if your using 24th century then only the borg can stand a chance due to their sheer size and ruthlessness, SW would be able to wipe them out tho due to the number of ships as well as centralization(its a big machine but once it starts moving, pretty much impossible to stop it). However you take later iterations of ST, wh40k simply would be unable to maintain against such an assault(technically ST if it went completely war-crazy would be the most powerful with weapons such as Trillithium weapons, which would be able to stop all nuclear fusion in a star causing an instant supernova, and if we include non-canon shit then transphasic torpedos would probably dispatch whatever was left), this is the main reason most battles with star trek occur in the 24th century(ships are much smaller compared to other universes however much more maneuverable, better shielding/sensors, and more equipped for general exploration) as otherwise there is no real fight(as then sizes of general star ships match other universes as do numbers, the ships are nearly indestructible(ablative hull), and op weapons)
@@Strangeship1997 Exactly If trek went the path of Star wars but with advance technology instead of of the silly space magic they use in SW, trek would be frightening. They prefer exploration above all else but attack them the they can and do quickly gear up for war that would make a warmonger envious.
Something most people seem to be forgetting is weapon range! I am not an expert, but after doing a little research it seems that the Turbolasers have a max range of about 6,000km while photon torpedos have hit small objects at 90,000km and some sources even say they have a max range of 1 billion km. And that does not seem like a fair match to me. Also: 4 years late to the party just like I always am in rl!
It was mentioned, but there is hardly any canon source for that. You'll also find higher numbers and numbers with ridiculously high weapon yield (Gigaton to Terraton Range with a single shot). In the cross section to rots. There the range of a venator class star destroyer was mentioned to be 10 light minutes.
The technologies are laid out and can somewhat be compared, via their manuals. The shielding in the ST universe would likely absorb the SW weapons. The ST universe also has a range and aiming advantage, while the capital ships are far more maneuverable in the ST universe. ST is OP as compared with SW. You have to keep in mind that the SW universe ships are role based, thusly the fighters. The ST ships are multi-role units and need to be able to hold up in war.
The thing is, each of those photon torpedoes is carrying a chunk of antimatter the size of a human torso. Considering that a piece of antimatter the size of my finger has more destructive power than a dozen of our most powerful nukes, imagine a Star Destroyer trying to fend off dozens of these things all at once.
@@somehalonerd1176 Our best nuclear device has a 0.7% mass>energy conversion. Antimatter has 100% mass>energy conversion. Which means any antimatter warhead is *at minimum* 143 times more powerful than a nuclear device of equivalent mass. Photon torpedoes are capable of carrying an entire human body while still retaining engines and guidance systems. Even if someone argues that a torpedo turned into a coffin would have most of its support systems removed, the antimatter containment would still be *at least* the size of a human torso. Which would put the explosion (using extremely rough napkin calculation) somewhere above the 4000 megaton range. Which means a single photon torpedo is a planet-killer; it probably won't shatter the planet but it is going to kill everything on the surface. Forget Warhammer 40K. In Star Trek, common space battles are slinging Exterminatus-level firepower as a standard attack.
@@lucasoreidopunho3556 Well, that was due to taking out the ventilation shaft of a power source capable of destroying a planet. It was less the torpedo destroying the Death Star and more the Death Star destroying the Death Star.
The Enterprise would simply get on the ass end of the star destroyer and shoot its engines all to help. After that they would just carve it up. The Klingons taught the Federation to weaponize the ship's 6 o'clock.
One quote from the first movie (ep IV)... "It would take a 1000 star destroyers with more fire power..." That said to blow up a planet.... Quote from Star Trek, episode where the planet were romans with enterprise A.... "I hear you don't have to come down, you can destroy the planet from orbit"... These are paraphases not quotes, but still thoes things were said... so not sure you did alot of research on this with the actual shows.
There isn't any reason to suggest that the Borg's cutting beam is a plasma based weapon. In ST: Enterprise it was referred to as a "Particle Beam" which could mean that it's either a disruptor phaser or laser weapon. Given that all plasma based weapons should be able to be blocked by the shields (as the ship needs to be able to safely traverse through dangerous environments, such as plasma storms). Therefore, all we can really say is that it definitely isn't a laser weapon, similar to those in Star Wars, and it might be a phaser or disruptor or something else. It might even be similar to a subatomic disruptor which was seen in Voyager on a 29th century starship, but the Borg may not have been advanced enough to produce those. Therefore, the Borg cutting the Enterprise's hull shouldn't be used as proof that not all laser weapons are ineffective against Federation shields. Furthermore, there are at least a few canon sources stating that lasers in Star Wars are superheated plasma. Also, Data is far smarter than IG-88.
Also, on next gen, The Borg were seen as a species far ahead to that of Star Fleet. The cutting beam was an example of the tecnological difference between them. So much that the cube could cut through the most advance ship starfleet had at the time and for the same reason was that the cutting beam was left unspecified. Now, here he is using it as proof that the sar destroyer can damage a Galaxy class when he also stated that it would only "slightly" be ahead technologically.
Plus let's remember that the Borg cutting beam *only* works *after* the target ship's shields have been brought down first. So, since lasers won't do a thing to Starfleet shields, they'd never get to even try to cut through the hull.
@@hoodaticus Yes because they are going up against an enemy of equal technical capabilities in certain areas. Transporter systems alone would cause problems that a SD could not handle or overcome. The resources on the likes of the enterprise are far beyond anything an SD has. Replicator technology on the enterprise would cause massive problems for the Star destroyer.
@@bighands69 problem is beaming people aboard another ship you can only do about 6 people at time Then you confronted with thousands train troops have had many battles with better soldiers
i remember it being established in an episode of star trek the next generation. the enterprise came across a species with laser based weapons. the enterprise's tritanium hull skin actually reflected enough energy away from the bolts that they didn't even bother to raise their shields.
That’s just lasers. Phasers are lasers. The laser beam is used a transportation device to send photons to the target. It’s good for space technology because once you shut it off it stops moving. It’s the same reason in Star Wars universe why their blasters disintegrate after a distant. You don’t want a weaponized object to keep in moving throughout the galaxy. But lasers by themselves wouldn’t harm any reflective material. It’s how you use the lasers that count. In Star Trek it’s probably the computer that’s measuring the distance so the phasers don’t bounce off. Or maybe they’ve perfected the beam so the photons exploding disrupts it so it can’t bounce off.
@@rdmrdm2659 The beam it uses is technically a laser. The weapon itself is a photon particle beam. The laser is just what transmits it to the location. Like your blue laser in your blue-ray transmits the data.
I think your assessment of technology and the impact it would have on combat is indeed somewhat off-base. I agree with your assessment that Star Wars lasers are not lasers, they are some form of pulsing particle cannon. However, nowhere can you see any of their Star Destroyer weapons having anywhere near the range and power of Star Fleet Phasers. There are multiple shots of point defenses of the Enterprise picking off Jem H'dar fighters, basically just swatting them. Unlike a Star Destroyer, the Enterprises's shields would still work against fighters that are too close. Hyperspace vs warp drive isn't a comparison of technology, it's a comparison of universes. Warp drive is far more powerful tactically, since it is far faster to enter and exit then hyperspace, which requires calculation time, and has major problems around gravity wells. You still fly and maneuver while in warp. The Picard maneuver alone will give fits to any Star Wars vessel, as being able to go into and out of FTL is devastating from a maneuvering standpoint. Star Fleet could basically run, strike, flee, and flank at will against Star Destroyers. If hyperdrive functioned, Star Fleet's far superior sensors would pick it up very quickly, or they'd salvage it off a vessel they defeated, and Star Fleet would have it within weeks, if not quicker. With their vastly superior sensor arrays, charting hyperdrive paths could literally be done on the fly, instead of through real-space scouting and tracking of gravity fields. Scale is not technology. Star Wars literally concerns a united galaxy with zillions of inhabitable planets. Star Trek is about a fraction of the galaxy with far fewer inhabited worlds. Your point about energy sources is... somewhat off. Yeah, if they build something the size of a moon, they can pop a planet. That's a matter of resources and scale, not really tech, and certainly doesn't apply to a Star Destroyer. The Star Trek universe has Dyson Spheres, Satellites that can form energy fields the size of Earth's orbit (first movie), and Genesis bombs that can turn the entire blasted remains of a star into an inhabitable planet (and the Federation still has the tech). As for the Force... Star Trek has psi-users of great power, the problem is that they have been the antagonists, not members of the crew. The Organian Peace Treaty was a real thing, a race literally froze the entirety of the Klingon and Federation fleets in the middle of a war, and imposed the Klingon Neutral Zone on them! The history of the Romulans notes a planet of mind-eaters preying on their ships during the exodus from Vulcan. The Enterprise ran into former Greek Gods and other immortal creatures that could alter reality, and let's not even get into the Q continuum. Again, this is a function of the rules of the universes they live in. If the Force does not exist in the universe of Star Trek, Jedi are just people there. If the Force responds to all psi-users, just how powerful are Vulcans and Betazoids there? We don't know, because these questions have no answers. Nowhere in the Star Wars universe are Star Destroyers displayed with true long range firepower. Their missile tech, a must for space combat, is quite poor. Their point defenses and sensor abilities are feeble in comparison. Their combat maneuverability and speed is far, far too slow. Yes, I will agree that the hundreds of Star Destroyer cannons may equal the full power of the Enterprise's guns. Know what that tells us? That the Enterprise has much, much bigger guns! It will take hundreds of sustained shots to get through the shields of a ship far away, faster and more maneuverable. In return, massively more powerful return salvos are going to be slamming into the Star Destroyer with precision from a greater distance. A single Star Destroyer is doomed. As for sensors and Destroyers... its been shown multiple times in Star Trek that knowing your enemies shield harmonics lets you punch right through them. Yeah, the Enterprise could read a SD's shields and do just that with their superior sensor tech. I will totally waive the transporter technology thing, although it makes for an incredible sneak attack, and if effective, the enemy will literally have no idea how it was done. Combined with cloaking, it would definitely be horrible. Now, could the Federation defeat the Galactic Empire? That's a difference of scale. You're talking hundreds of ships of the Empire versus one of the Federation. In a battle of attrition, the Empire would win simply because the Federation couldn't whelm enough numbers to protect their planets. I believe the Federation would win all the solo battles, but simply lose the war to the numbers of their foes. And it's note worthy to say, if you combine the cloaking and transporter tech trick, Star Fleet would probably win THAT battle, too, one photon warhead at a time to the enemy's reactor core. ----------- In Summation, even if you assume relatively equal shields and total firepower output, the Enterprise wins on range, damage per shot, accuracy, tactical speed, sensor ability, adaptability and simply blows them away on maneuverability. The Empire literally has no chance here. From a math standpoint, its the Enterprise using 10 shots at 10 power with 100% accuracy, while the SD is using 100 shots at 1 power at, what, 10% or less accuracy, at that range? Anything below 100% means the Enterprise will win. This isn't a battleship fight with two powers going at it with broadsides. The Enterprise will pick the angle of attack that minimizes the firepower coming off the Destroyer, can stay there with small warp shifts regardless of how the Destroyer maneuvers, and will simply slam through the Destroyer's shields with higher burst impacts that hit their target every time, unlike the partial fusillades coming off the Destroyer. Enterprise would win the duel. Federation vs Empire, that's a different story, and depends massively on rules calls of the fight. Where it takes place; warp vs hyperspace possible, and how fast the Federation would acquire that tech once they saw it in action; and very tellingly, the whole shields vs transporter tech thing, which could stop the Empire right in its tracks. ==RED
All it would take is a single Defiant or Multi-Vector Escort to destroy an entire fleet of Star Destroyers. Keep in mind that the Galaxy class ship was a diplomatic/Science/Medical relief ship mainly and had almost no weaponry. The defiant was faster and more maneuverable than the X-Wing fighters and packed shielding equivalent to the galaxy class, while vastly outgunning them since they didn't have all the secondary systems to power. It wasn't until thw sovereign class ship that the main capital ships of the star trek universe really had war capabilities focused on.
Galaxy class is a multi purpose starship with ability to be able to change its internal layout depending on circumstances, whether for science or combat, this means it can remove secondary systems if not needed or add if needed. The Sovereign was designed to easier ship to build when compared to the more complex and costly design of the Galaxy class.
Eh. A Nebula Class starship engaged and destroyed a Cardassian warship (presumably Galor class) at somewhere around 300,000km with a single volley of photon torpedoes that hit in roughly 2-3s. Her firepower was roughly equivalent of the Enterprise in a smaller, less friendlier package.. given that ISDs routinely engage in conflicts much much closer, it doesn’t matter how powerful their turbolasers are. If your range is measured in tens or hundreds of kilometres, you’re effectively defenceless against an enemy who’s range is measured in hundreds of thousands of kilometres and can hit you before you even react.
@@dillionedmonds5736 Plus, if the Empire was deemed enough of a threat then the ships would get the ability to use cloaking technology. The primary reason the Federation doesn't have cloaking technology is because of treaties between the stable powers of the Alpha quadrant, but they're willing to cooperate to preserve their mutual interests.
@@dillionedmonds5736 the Galaxy class certainly did not have "almost no weapons" in fact it is shown to be equal if not more powerful than a Defiant class vessel. It is just much larger so is less powerful for it's size. Still more than a match for an ISD
Data could just plot a course at warp 8 where the Enterprise “appears” out of nowhere, launches a torpedo salvo, pops up over here does the same, pops up of there, again and again and again. How does the SSD defend against hundreds of photon torpedoes simultaneously coming from all directions, from an enemy they can’t see? Game over
The Enterprise doesn't have 100s of torps, but the back of a Star Destroyer is uncovered and Trek is all about their scans and work arounds. Identifying their enemy's strengths & weaknesses relative to their own is almost immediate for Trek, but a nightmare for Wars. They just have to immobilize them and then concentrate their Phasers on the rear long enough. The TIEs wouldn't even be a problem. Their shields would neutralize such small wpns and they'd be able to splat them by ramming their shield into them. Warp also means Trek is free to engage, disengage, and resupply at will. The replicator also gives them effectly infinite food & water supplies while Destroyer crews need to resupply regularly for their massive crew compliments.
@@marcmorgan7796 a version of the Picard maneuver was also done by Capt. Lorca, aboard the Discovery, against the Klingon Cleave Ship with the Spore drive 100+ years before before the Battle of Maxia, so it is doubly in the canon. Though Stamets almost died pulling off so many consecutive jumps.
6:35 There is precedence for planetary destruction via Star Destroyers. There's a level in Rogue Squadron 3 where a entire city is wiped out via orbital bombardment from a Star Destroyer. Also you could argue the destruction of Taris from KOTOR while not an Imperial SD, there was 3,000 years of technological improvement, so high odds an Imp SD could destroy a planet in a reasonable amount of time. 4:40 I'm fairly certain it is established Star Wars weapons are plasma based as well as they do require tabana gas to create their energetic bolts. "Laser" is just a common place term that, while incorrect, is understood by people in that universe. For instance Anakin calls Qui-gon's lightsaber as "laser sword" even though it's established they are plasma. Or in the real world people use "clips" when they mean "magazines"
Considering the example you gave about the Romulan attack on a planet during the Dominion War. Given that the Romulans did inflict major damage to said planet, remember the the Enterprise of the Mirror Universe had the capability to destroy a planet with its weaponry as well. Also in TNG series the Enterprise could and did use its Phasers to pacify a highly seismic planet when Data established contact with a pre-warp culture on the verge of being wiped out by their own planet.
I just go by what's on screen. On one side it takes a weapon the size of a small moon to destroy a planet while on the other side it takes a regular sized torpedo, albeit highly specialized, to destroy a star and all it's accompanying planets. Which one sounds more advanced to you? If it's not said on screen or shown on screen it doesn't count because you can make any numbers up you want afterward.
Well, in real physics the only thing that can destroy a star is another star or a black hole. Some piddly little torpedo would probably be atomized by the corona before even penetrating the star itself. And remember: stars are mindbogglingly enormous. To put that in perspective our sun could consume the entire solar system (in normal matter not anti-matter) and it wouldn't even notice. Throw enough anti-matter into the sun and you will make a big explosion but you would need a LOT of anti-matter.
"Well, in real physics the only thing that can destroy a star is another star or a black hole." Well, no, there's no law of physics that says that. What you do need is a large amount of energy, but guess what: there's a large amount of energy stored in the star itself. You only need to harness it. Find a way to turn off the nuclear reactions in the core, the outer layers fall in, and the resulting rebound will release enough energy to take the star apart in an artificially induced supernova. As long as we're in bullshit scifi territory, it's clearly doable.
I think isodoublet was referring to Trek's trilithium missiles and explosives, which destroy stars and planetary systems. Also, the Sun Crusher is currently outside the official Star Wars canon.
@@Acrosurge The trilithium missile from Generations is where my head went to. But that moment also highlights a HUGE problem with physics in the Star Trek universe.
LOL, this again. Sigh. No comparison, star fleet wins. Most Imperial weapons have to be in some kind of visual range to operate. The Enterprise can see you instantaneously at a parsec (3.26 light years) and has a torpedo that can be fired at that distance with it's own AI that can out smart any imperial commander. Lord forbid that a cloaking device gets mounted on the torpedo, then the imperials wont even know it's coming until they are breathing hard vacuum. No amount of shielding will help; no amount of fighter support would even be relevant. Hands down, no contest, the empire is toast. LOL. Thank you for playing, please try again.
We do see in many areas Star Wars tech is miles ahead of Star Trek, it would take the enterprise 60 years to get across the galaxy. Star Wars ships can do it in days to weeks. Also Star wars weapons are not range limited, though we often see them fight at point blank for cinematic flair, in one of the novels some of the missed shots from star destroyers kept going and hit planets in other parts of the galaxy. Finally, Star wars ships also have proton torpedos and Ion canons, federation ships are particularly vulnerable to ion beams/ion canons, which star destroyers have dozens of.
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor mind you if we're talking extended canon then surely we can add the spore drive from STD and transwarp capability. I would also throw in the anti-borg ablative armour generator and transphasic torpedoes into the mix if we're talking time travel :-)
It's apples and oranges, but I think that the ENT's weapons are vastly more powered than suggested: Blowing through the crusts of planets, torpedoes with yields equivalent to multiple-megaton nuclear weapons, and finally the transporters -- if the Enterprise can get the ISD's shields down the fight is simply over by beaming torpedoes aboard or beaming the ISD's crew and key components into space en masse.
@@TiagoDdA S3 E21 the die is cast of DS9 indicates phaser and photon torp equivalents are in the hundreds of Teratons to Petatons. Ive never seen turbolasers having any feats in that range.
another factor not mentioned would be the swarms of Ties being deployed which may not be effective against the Enterprise's shields but would add a lot more targets to be tracked and dealt with
@@kipp1231how do you know it? Tie bombers are made to destroy capital ships how much do you think enterprise could resist against all that fier power, in star wars fighters are made to stop the bombers, its literally a warship against an explorer ship.
The Enterprise Has multi phasic target lock. ruclips.net/video/DsetglZt0s8/видео.html This clip literally shows the Enterprise D destroying Several fighter like drones with minimum shields within 6 seconds. Tie Fighters have zero shields. they could destroy an Entire Tie fighter compliment within 3mins.
@@nuperaa6617 because naming convention does not reflect its capabilities. Like imagine a ww2 Iowa battleship fight off a modern frigate, on paper the higher rank would win but we all knew one programed torpedo under the belly of it would easily sink it.\ Aside from hyperspace, Star Trek has technologically superior weapons, shields, and navigation intel tech.
Picard: "OH, I don't have time for this bullshit... Worf, transport one photon torpedo warhead to the main bridge of that vessel, and set detonation to go off immediately when it materializes on board that craft" "Data, continue with the original heading". The End
I think you're wrong but made an honest try. the reason I say this is enterprise speed agility and range we know star destroyers are slow and the cannons have a specific range like in next to last movie in star wars they had to wait and destroy the rebels ships as they ran out of fuel. which is another factor. star destroyers run on fuel and the enterprise runs on dilithium crystal and matter, antimatter or whatever the warp core is. the first time the enterprise runs into romulans they quickly learned that the romulans had a more powerful weapon but was limited by range. Kirk stayed out of the range of the romulans and fired from a distance eventually destroyed the romulans ship. I think the same would happen to the star destroyer. it's kinda like like comparing the enterprise to a sniper and the star destroyer to a guy with 2 44 magnum revolvers. just my opinion
- those are a different line of star destroyers, which should be evident by the completely different design - honestly thats the only time fuel has been brought up i dont think fuel is a real star wars problem lmao but youre right
@Captain Yankee No, I did watch! He video actually. And all the Enterprise has to do is beam a photon torpedo onto the bridge after it takes down the ISD’s puny shields. While staying out of range and speeding circles around the ISD.
Phaser arrays seem able to apply constant damage and have no travel time as opposed to Star Wars laser weapons. So for me, Star Trek gets the edge. Also, the photon torpedo is more powerful than anything a star destroyer can muster; it causes massive antimatter explosions. The planet ending weapons are also interesting. The Star Wars universe needs a platform the size of the Death Star to blow up planets. The Star Trek universe needs the right torpedo
Picard: "Ok, Data. Maximum Power to the Deflector Array." (According to Trek Tech, that gives the Enterprise a density similar to matter inside of a neutron star). Data: "Power Diverted, Captain" Picard: "Set a course straight through that ship and engage at Warp 1!" ...and the Star Destroyer is ripped apart like tin foil hit by a meteor, and Enterprise probably not having a dent in the hull...
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EckhartsLadder if I remember correctly, Star Wars weapons are actually more plasma based, especially the ship based ones.
Saber (halo reach space fighter) versus republic arc-170
Which Universe is the most powerful?
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My suggestion for the next one:
Dreadnought class heavy cruiser vs Aklimator assault ship
Fourth try, UNSC Infinity vs the Resolute, both ships have their normal crew so he Republic craft would have Admiral Yularen AND Anakin Skywalker at the helm
Should do what happens when a storm trooper and Red shirt get in a fight. The stormtrooper misses every shot but the red shirt still dies
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A classic truth
The red shirt trips and falls.
This is how the scenario plays out:
(Enterprise is in a star system with three inhabited planets.)
Worf: "Captain, we are detecting a massive vessel at the edge of sensor range."
Troi: "Sir, I sense a great disturbance, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."
Picard: "Hail them."
Worf: "Channel Open."
Picard: "Unidentified vessel. This is Captain Picard of the Federation starship USS Enterprise. May we know your intentions?"
ISS: "Surrender your vessel and prepare to be boarded."
Picard: (Concerned Pikachu face) "We are a peaceful people. Explorers who reject tyranny and work for understanding between planets. Surely you are the same. We would welcome a delegation aboard to discuss an exchange of knowledge and culture."
ISS: "...!" (Close channel)
Worf: "Captain, they are charging weapons and launching fighters."
Riker: "Shields up! Red Alert! Mr. Worf, tactical report."
Worf: "Primary and secondary shield generators, a solar ionization reactor, 72 fighters, 60 ion cannons, Approximately 47,000 life forms detected."
Picard: "She's a predator..."
Worf: " 60 heavy turbolaser batteries, another dozen or so multiple medium and heavy laser turrets."
Riker: "... did you say LASER?"
Picard: "Maybe she's NOT a predator, they could fire lasers at us till their reactors run dry... but those ion cannons could be dangerous to our systems."
Data: "Sir, tactical analysis of their weapons show that their turrets are limited to a range of 5,000 kilometers."
Picard: "Helm, keep us 300,000 km away from the vessel."
Worf: "Sir, the fighters have opened fire!"
(TIE fighter lasers fill the space around the Enterprise. -- Crew nervously waits for the ship to rock from the impacts.)
Picard: "Mr. Worf, report!"
Worf: "Sir... they missed."
Picard: "You mean there was no damage."
Worf: "No sir... they just missed... ENTIRELY. The shields do not register any impacts."
Riker: "Helm. Well done on the evasive maneuvers!"
Helm: "Sir... we haven't changed course. I was waiting for the command"
Picard: "..." (Looks to Riker)
Riker: "Riker to Engineering. Geordi, did you maneuver the Enterprise? We just dodged a barrage of weapons fire from 72 fighters."
Geordi: "Sir? It wasn't us. I didn't even realize we were being attacked."
Data: "Captain, I may have an answer. Scans show that all of their weapons are manually targeted. They can not keep a weapons track on Enterprise at velocities above a quarter impulse. Additionally, their main vessel appears to have minimal maneuvering abilities and little protection aft of the engineering section."
Troi: "Captain. The commander of that ship is enraged that his fighters missed and that we're staying out of their weapons range. I sense that he's about to target the outermost planet of the system!"
Geordi: "Captain, there are more than 4 million settlers on that world and they don't have planetary defenses."
Picard: "Number 1, we need to draw their attention"
Riker: "Helm, keep your distance, but use a short warp jump to put us behind the target."
Helm: "Aye sir." (Enterprise jumps 300km behind the ISS, leaving the fighter squadron on the other side of the battle field.) "Coming about."
Riker: "Mr. Worf, target engines and weapons."
Worf: "Engines and weapons targeted."
Riker: "Full spread phaser barrage. Continuous fire."
(Enterprise fires continuous phased beams at maximum range. ISS tries to maneuver, but Enterprise stays behind and away.)
Worf: "Sir, their shields are holding, fighters have regrouped and are making another attack run"
Riker: "Continue fire. Target the fighters with photon torpedoes."
(Enterprise keeps firing phasers at the ISS while a barrage of torpedoes goes after the fighters. at 500k range)
Data: "Captain, scans of their vessel indicate that their systems seem are extremely susceptible to the sort of electrical discharge generated by their Ion cannons. We may be able to simulate a similar weapon."
Picard: "Engineering. Can we generate an Ion pulse with the deflector dish?"
Geordi: "Yes sir. We can run warp power directly through the deflector control and create a massive ion pulse. It will rupture a few EPS conduits, and we wouldn't be able to jump to warp until repairing them, but it will be one heck of a blast."
Worf: "Sir, the fighters are retreating from the torpedoes, but the target vessel is 5 minutes from weapons range of the planet's surface."
Picard: "Geordi, how quickly can you create the pulse?"
Georgi: "Sir, it'll take me 8 minutes."
Picard: "Data, go to engineering and help with the modifications, Number 1, we need to draw the fire of that ship!"
Riker: "Yessir." (Riker sits back in his chair and looks at his display) "Helm, move us between the planet and the target. Mr. Worf, keep firing. Full spread of torpedoes as well."
Worf: "Sir, their shields ARE weakening, but we are unable to penetrate their defenses."
(Montage: Georgi and Data rushing to patch connections through engineering. Troi looks worried. Worf keeps pressing the fire button. Riker steps OVER the chair that Data has vacated and takes his station. - 4 minutes later)
Worf: "Sir, we are now entering the target vessel's weapons range."
(impacts rock the Enterprise as the ion cannons start striking the shields. Around the ship, control panels explode and lights flicker.)
Riker: "Report!"
Helm: "Sir, we're losing helm control, impulse engines are offline"
Worf: "Shields at 60%"
Riker: "Helm, switch to auxiliary controls and use the thrusters to push us back from the target, but keep us between them and the colony."
Picard: "Engineering, how much longer?!"
Geordi: "Just another minute captain. We're need to adjust the phase compensator to synchronize the plasma flow through the dish with the warp matter/anti-matter stream. If we don't get it right, we're looking at a core breach the moment we fire the deflector"
(Impacts continue to rock the Enterprise. Rocks fly out of the ceiling and debris is strewn around the bridge.)
Worf: "Shields at 15% ... Captain, we are being hailed."
Picard: "Onscreen!"
ISS: "Enemy vessel. Stand down and surrender or be destroyed."
Picard: "You have made an act of aggression against an unarmed planet. This is nothing short of a declaration of war against the Federation of Planets. We are NOT your enemy!"
(More impacts and the lights go out. Riker is thrown from this console by an explosion.)
Worf: "Shields are down! Buckling on deck 9, 10, and 11. Casualties reported on all decks."
Data: "Captain, the deflector is ready."
Picard: (zoom shot) "Fire."
(Huge beam emanates from the Enterprise deflector dish and strikes the ISD. Electricity arcs along the hull of the ship, the engines go out and it begins to drift. - In Engineering, smoke pours from the warp core as EPS conduits explode.)
Geordi: "Coolant leak! Everybody out!"
(Geordi rushes everybody out then rolls past the closing door just as it slams shut. Dr. Crusher rushes to injured crewmen and pokes them with hyposprays.)
Georgi: "Engineering to the bridge. The kickback from that shot was worse than expected. We've lost warp power until we can cool the core and repair the damaged conduits. We're showing system faults shipwide."
Data: (poking at his tricorder) "Captain, the beam worked. The enemy ship is without power. They are working on restoring systems, but by my calculations it will be at least 30 minutes until they have weapons, shields or propulsion."
Worf: "We have another problem sir. The ship is still drifting towards the planet. At it's current velocity, it will impact in 6 minutes."
Riker: "A ship that size, moving at that speed, will obliterate all life on the surface."
Picard: "Mr. Worf, tractor beam?"
Worf: "Negative sir. Weapons, shields and tractor beam are all offline."
(Geordi and Data enter the bridge.)
Geordi: "Damage control is responding, but it will take at least 10 minutes to get those systems back online."
Riker: "Options"
(silence)
Chief O'Brien: (Over the com) - "Captain, the transporters are still working."
Riker: "We can't take an away team over there. 6 people vs. 50 thousand?!"
CoB: "I wasn't thinking about beaming over an away team sir."
(On the bridge, hangar deck and engine room of the ISD. As people run around trying to restore power, there is an electronic hum and a bright light as three torpedoes materialize and detonate. From the bridge of the Enterprise, the ISD explodes into millions of pieces of debris, each no larger than a shuttlecraft. As the debris hits the atmosphere, it burns briefly before ceasing to exist. In the ready room, the senior staff sit quietly.)
Picard: "50 thousand lives. I just ordered the destruction of 50 thousand lives."
Worf: "Sir, THEY were the aggressors."
Data: "Captain, the math is clear, 50 thousand or 4 million."
Riker: "We've recovered their pilots and a few hundred survivors who made it to escape pods before the ship burned up in the atmosphere. We've converted Cargo Bay 1 and 2 into a makeshift brig."
Dr. Crusher: "A number of the crew appear to be clones. - Our own casualties are light. Mostly burns and broken bones. Lieutenant Barkley was knocked out when the holodeck exploded."
Geordie: "We'll have shields and propulsion within the hour. The deflector and warp core will be operational within four hours. We'll need some time in drydock to fix the burned out systems and repair structural damage."
Riker: "We can drop off our prisoners at Deep Space Nine en route to Utopia Planetia. A few of them are talking, but most of them are in shock. I don't think they're accustomed to losing battles. Hopefully Starfleet intelligence can find out where they come from and what they want."
Picard: (turn chair and looks out the window of the ready room) "I think... we've not seen the last of this... 'Empire'."
(Fade to Black)
Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ That is precisely what would happen. Well done Bob 👍🏻
I was so into this story. Maybe you should do the video !
Well done! I said that the ISS would win until this! Mind Changed.
Brilliantly done!
I love this
I love that you spend the first ~4 minutes diplomatically saying "calm down everyone, they're both fictional"
Indeed it is needed, both fan groups are pretty aggressive in this topic.
Star trek wins
Phasers are pinpoint accurate and an exotic damage type, and the Range is a significant factor, ships frequently fire on each other at ranges where they have to request magnification on the viewfinder to identify who it is.
"Target their weapons and shield generators"
(Cue star trek wrath of khan style internal explosions and heavy internal casualties, star destroyer is crippled and starts moving adrift with visible sparks crawling across it like it was hit with an ion cannon)
Enterprise circles around and fires aft Photon Torpedoes on the Thrusters of the star destroyer. Blasting the whole back half of the ship off due to internal explosions and the power of the torpedoes (they use antimatter, effectively are like the antimatter charges used by the covenant, known to detonate for a yield of 20-50 Kilotons each)
An unscrupulous captain like Khan or the Admiral from Into Darkness has no problem doing the damage. Id imagine a single photon torpedo being directed at the Bridge Tower of the star destroyer after the shields were down, cratering or blasting the whole apparatus off.
Even if the star destroyer managed to open fire, the imperials onboard would telegraph their moves by commanding to surrender and submit to boarding, giving the starfleet crew ample time to target key systems.
Evasive maneuvers engaged, very few additional hits, turbolaser arcs of fire avoided - and the Enterprise opens fire while evading causing the above damage to the star destroyer. While gaining a healthy distance from it. Shields likely not drained any appreciable amount.
Another issue not often considered is material strength. The alloys used in star wars may seem tougher than modern day stuff but not out of this world in any way - they just have huge infrastructure to spam the material. Meanwhile the stuff used in star trek is so strong its pretty much only undone by disintegrating phasers and antimatter explosions, or literally ramming the damn ship.
@@weredrgn I love both franchises but the Star Wars Ship will melt the Enterprise. But i think the Tech in the Star Trek universe is more advanced.
@@sporkstar1911 maybe, but not the ent D. Even Voyager could destroy the ent D
@@histguy101 well voyager was way more advanced than the enterprise d
I would actually give the fight to the Enterprise for two reasons, maneuverability and weapon arcs. A majority of the Star Destroyers weapons are laterally and forward mounted. IF the Enterprise could use its superior maneuverability to stay BEHIND and above of the Star Destroyer, then it would be an easy kill.
The only answer in favour of the Enterprise that actually makes sense.
Could just split the ship into the dish and engines parts, the dish area would probably die but the loss of mass and need to power half the ship should help the other half stay behind and hammer at the back
You know all space battles happen on the same axis and head to head 😂
@@RunnerX13 Not in the Wrath of Khan. Spock noted that Khan's thinking was "2 dimensional". And in the Series Finale of The Next Generation, Riker comes in BELOW the Klingons ships with the Enterprise D Dreadnaught.
@@LoneWolf0568 it was a joke on 99.9% of sci-fi
The answer ultimately comes down to what imaginary version of physics you are using; star wars or star trek.
I agree with ya. it's sci-fy. along a physics argument I think that star wars is more "believable" then star trek.
Star Trek is science fiction fantasy, and it's writers and producers endeavor to show at least some deference to real science and physics. ST takes the trouble to offer somewhat plausible explanations, and establish a set of limitations on canon lore. ST fans demand to know why and how ST lore is and works. ST is about exploration, and improving quality of life for all peaceful species. Space combat takes a back seat in ST. The overwhelming majority on live action canon screen time in ST features peaceful new discovery or peaceful crisis resolution, not space combat.
Star Wars is pure and simple space fantasy. Things happen in SW stories just because the writers and producers put it in. SW is like comic books and cartoons in live action on the silver screen, pretty much anything one can make up goes, no need to rationalize or justify, it just is because someone said so. The fans eat it up. Just look at how the SW fans freaked out over meta chlorines when they were introduced in "The Phantom Menace" in an attempt to explain / quantify the nature of the force. SW fans wanted none of it. SW is a lot of space fantasy eye candy, mindless action, cowboys and indians with ray guns (blasters). SW is purely about space fantasy fun, without much care for the how or why of it.
IMHO, Star Wars (premiered in 1977) is more fun, but Star Trek (premiered in 1964) is smarter.
Yup, Star Trek is the way to go for everything! Star wars has "Space Jets, and Space Magic !"
JPGgoSIG10 Star Trek is filled with bullshit science as well, it’s far from the hard science fiction of say Isaac Asimov.
Trajan @...But, Not so BS for a scifi serial that uses "Space Jets, and Space Magic...?" Hello , SW...Awaken SW FanOBI.....
You know what’s a better fight then these two space ships duking it out?
Watching the fight between the two different nerd factions in the comments.
LOL
Yah... its quite entertaining... been going on since 77
Thats simple, I've answered this before. Star Trek has several advantages, but they only need 1 letter....Q!
Forest Johnson there are reality warpers in Star Wars too
The way Star Wars is going Disney will probably come up with a galaxy destroyer weapon as a trump card.
The USS Enterprise would have won because they are the protagonists' ship, and the plot demands that the bad guys lose.
literally inescapable.
This is the most true argument on here
Unless it's the beginning of the movie... Protagonist need to suffer first before rising up.
Plot armor. To put it simply.
Yes, because in star wars it has never happened that a storm trupper's/fighter pilots hit everything but the protagonists it seems that the plot shield is everywhere
“Today I’m going to see who can win in a fight: this battleship from Star Wars, or this hotel from Star Trek!”
You only wish your hotel was this armed/mobile
@@taintsweatnope5093 I do. I wish that every day!
@@GameHammerCG 👍
@@taintsweatnope5093 Behold the power of their fully armed hotel station
@@NTryon I just got a vision from Monte Python's The Meaning Of Life and the accounting firm in the hostile takeover
"Worf, target their weapons!"
"Ughhhhh..... Which ones, captain??"
Lmao XD.
It means scanning the SD's systems to locate and damage the power distribution to their weapons systems as much as possible, to overall decrease the enemy ship's firepower more efficiently than targeting individual weapons.
Worf, target the shield generators..
Yes Captain. Now a good phaser shot should remove the entire conning tower
Good one 👍
@Satanic Microchip v3 no
@Satanic Microchip v3 I disagree
The one thing no one ever takes into account when matching star wars vs star trek, is the range of the respective weapons. For example, the
SSD's turbo lasers have an effective range of 5000 kilometers. But the enterprise's phasers have a range of 300,000 kilometers and a torpedo
range of 2.5 million kilometers. In short, a star trek ship would just fall back and pound the ssd into scrap from well outside it's engagement
range.
Also, no mention of the Galaxy class's ability to separate the saucer from the drive section and have them operate as two individual entities which will greatly reduce their profile making it even harder for the manually operated turrets of the ISD.
@@Nicolas_Cage_Bees until Revan just uses the force to crush both ships
@@davidbae5615 Then Q erases all imperials and Force users from existence for hurting his favorite Captain and invading his playground. 😜
@@Nicolas_Cage_Bees don't forget the fighters the SSD carries
@@jacobnash9755 I'm pretty sure a Galaxy class ship could obliterate any Tie Fighters sent at it very quickly given how quickly they can lock on and fire multiple beams in different directions.
Watch this video at the 15 or 16 second mark and watch how it deals with multiple fighter size craft very quickly;
ruclips.net/video/d734afLFPds/видео.html
Um. The biggest intangible: the Enterprise can fly circles around a Star Destroyer. The ISD is a snail. Enterprise can maneuver so much better.
Sounds right to me. EckhartsLadder forgot about the reduced visibility the ISD II has to the rear. With a skilled Captain and helmsman the Enterprise D can sneak in behind, out of targeting arcs of most of the ISD's weapons, and then melt the command section or engines to slag.
Not really. If you want to make the argument the he forgot something, the SD has TIE fighters. They would be able to attack the enterprise at will. And it is incredibly accurate with its hundreds of guns. Just look at the end of Rogue One when Vader arrives. That one SD destroyed most of the rebel fleet.
Actually, not really either. If you follow the targeting ability of the Enterprise's phasers against unshielded fighters as seen in the Season 5 episode 'Conundrum' the Enterprise can wipe out TIE squadrons without much effort. As long as the TIEs stay tight the phaser arrays could even be set for a wider dispersion to simply disable closer groups rather than outright incinerate individual ships. All the Enterprise has to do is to clear a path for short range worp, do a Picard Maneuver or two to get in close to the engines and then blast the SD to slag. - Of course actually pulling this off depends on the quick thinking of the command staff at the time and the reflexes of the helmsman and tactical officers. If any of those aren't up to snuff then the battle remains even.
I totally agree,the Enterprise is faster.
Also, the enterprise will be able to find the resonant frequency of the SD 2s shields, and change phaser frequency, like seen in TNG, when fighting the Borg they set their phaser frequency to random patterns so they can't adapt as fast.
Enterprise D also has overpowered plot armour, the Star destroyer doesn't stand a chance against that overpowered defence 😂
No that would be the overrated defiant.
The crap it shrugged off due to plot armor would have Destroyed or crippled the D.
@BuyingAthlete 78
But it also depends on the person as well.
Kirk lost one ship and heavily crippled another that put it out of commission permanently.
Picard lost one ship(good riddance) and had another heavily damaged.
The only reason why they destroyed the Defiant was because they painted themselves into a corner and sisko was becoming a Mary Sue as was his ship so they knocked him down a few pegs and destroyed the ship.
Voy oh good God that was a bad show.
The ship not protected by plot armor but by a plot god.
Luke should have been killed once once but twice but protected by plot so thick that they just called it space magic.
Vader is well Vader, he was protected by plot until he wasn't.
@@ClarkMakesCringe
Truth hurts ;)
jokes on you vader would be on the star destroyer we have a match.
Bruh, it got wrecked by Klingon Bird of Preys in multiple timelines.
The Enterprise D has phaser strips which gave it a 360° firing arc so it does not require as many weapons
Only the dorsal array has that ability. In fact, the Enterprise-D has 2 blind spots: the ventral hull behind the navigational deflector array, but forward of the aft torpedo launcher as well as above the aft torpedo launcher all the way up to just below the dorsal phaser array
@@BrooklynRedLeg
They can shoot you from both those places.
Xander Prentice the ISD is about 9 times it’s size.
@@robbomegavlkafenryka6158 Less than 3 times its length, actually.
Andrew King size as in tonnage. Doesn’t matter if you’re ship is seven kilometers long if it’s two meters tall and three meters wide.
Enterprise E is a battle ship designed to take on the Borg Dis science
I think that's why it wasn't picked. While he said he wasn't as knowledgeable of the Enterprise-E as that of the -d....there's actually more official information on the Enterprise-E's stats than that of the D. He picked a glass-cannon over that of a dedicated warship.
ArleighTSL yh most likely mate
@@Tullaryx
He isn't even that knowledgeable of the D or it's abilities.
Generation tech knows more about the D than this RUclipsr.
Now I have watched it and WHAT?
This makes no sense. You mention that the Enterprise can fire at greater distances and that it is FAR FAR FAR FAR faster sublight than the Star Destroyer.
Thus the Star Destroyer NEVER fires at the Enterprise.
You failed to point out that while the Star Destroyer is faster than the Enterprise while in Hyperspace, they can only enter it at specific points, while the Enterprise can warp anywhere it wants.
Technically there is hyperspace in the Trekverse in the form of the Borg conduits. There are other non hyperspace but equally fast if not faster modes of travel in the Trekverse such as the Caretakers Array in Voyager, the wormhole in DS9 and the spore drives in Discovery.
That being said I totally agree with your assessment. The firepower used in the Star Wars is phenomenal BUT it does not compare to the firepower in Star Trek. The Trek shields are impervious to laser cannon fire but are vulnerable to phasers and disruptors. If we were to use the Imperial II Star Destroyer firepower against the Enterprise D then most of the star destroyers compliment wouldn't penetrate the Enterprise shields except the blasters which theoretically works on similar principles as a disruptor.
In the Trek verse planetary weapons has predate the formation of the Federation which means in theory if the Federation wanted to they could equip each galaxy class ship with said weapons. In Star Trek Enterprise, the Xindi created a probe that was shown to destroy an entire planet. Thankfully the NX-01 captured and destroyed the probe but right after scanning it for its technical blueprints. This was 200 years prior to the Enterprise D construction. The Enterprise D phasers can cut through the Crust of a planet and reach the core which it was shown on several occasions to have done. Penetrating the shields and armor of a star destroyer would be child's play.
Uhm warp speed is faster than hyperspeed
@@joeclaridy transwarp is the word you are looking for also it isn't hyperspace. Whilst it is in fact faster than hyperspace transwarp is not in anyway in it's own dimension. Hyperspace is however in it's own dimension
@Sean LAM [13Y1] It doesn't matter. Star Destroyers still can't turn. Go ahead and keep jumping in and out of hyperspace in a straight line... Enterprise would just stay behind it, where no Star Destroyer guns are, and blast away. If the Star Destroyer tries to run it's basically doomed as every single weapons system on it is designed to shoot forward and physically can't shoot backward without shooting through its own hull.
@Sean LAM [13Y1] what happened to hyperlanes?
The ships of Star Wars that we’ve seen are mostly for war,, some transports, & shuttles. Star Trek has had war ships, transports, & shuttles too, but had more of a focus on exploration.
This drove the technology differently in each universe. I think
Defiant says hi
Hence their names ("Star trek" for exploration, "Star wars" for battle)
That's the most normal comment
Explorer style craft loading more firepower than a battleship
Regarding firepower: Lets forget star trek has torpedos for a moment. One overloaded pulse canon from nx-01 made a big crater on a moon, 300years prior to Enterprise D, Enterprise D cut inside a planet's core in moments... I would say those phasers can be insanely powerful jet precise. I don't know what to think about star destroyers weapons, i think i saw star wars ships destroy asteroids, but i don't remember destroying something directly comparable, like a moon, planet etc (excluding death star). Orbital bombardent/making a planet uninhabitable is easy, we have this capability for almost 50 years so its nothing to brag about.
Regarding shields: we see star trek ship from tos era forward beeing hit by solar flares, explosions of some nebula gases and other cosmic events etc etc... didnt see anything like that in star wars movies.. please someone correct and point me where cases like this occur.
Two totally different universes, too little directly comparable data. Star trek ships feel more advanced and highly adaptable, star wars ships feel like old sea frigates, strong, unmovable and powerful. This comparisons are kinda like asking "what is sweeter, paper or salt?" debatable but neverending :D
Lets forget the fact that star trek ships have nukes XD
The funny thing is you didn't even mention maneuverability and gun placement. Which universe ships are more agile? Star Trek by a mile because of use of inertial dampers. The Enterprise can turn on a dime rotate independently of movement direction. Star Wars capital ships crash into each other all the time because they can't stop or turn or even move enough to force a Rebel fighter to crash into them when the fighter is only feet off the surface of the hull. Then add in weapon placement, Star Trek has shown they can fire effectively in all directions. Slightly reduced toward the rear but no where near undefended. The rear of the Star Wars ships are completely undefended as all they have is the massive engines that dominate the rear of the ship. Hence ultimately with the Enterprise D with the maneuverability advantage and with the ability to fire in every direction and with Star Wars having a blind spot the Enterprise D wins every time. This isn't even a battle for the most part.
As for people who want to argue about the fighter screens realize that 1) Tie fighters won't even dent the shields and 2) Star Trek targeting scanners have shown to have pinpoint accuracy tracking multiple targets firing in succession. So even before you try to measure which universe's weapons are more powerful it's a fairly easy determination to say that as long as the Enterprise weapons are powerful enough to eventually cut through the shields/armor of the Star Destroyer the fact there's little to no rear defenses on the Star Destroyer the Enterprise will win each and every time in a 1 on 1 battle.
@@Vermonstered Amen! The guy who made this video was not using his thinking cap. I feel a bit of preference for a particular Universe/Franchise over another. I am not all that surprised fandom biases are a hard thing to overcome.
@@Vermonstered you're forgetting the fact that the Enterprise can also separate its saucer section to do double the damage
@@xanderprentice1740 Wouldn't say I forgot, more like why would you want to? There's a fairly big blindspot but fitting two ships in there is more difficult than one. Additionally you don't benefit from having two attack angles in this case so even if it did 'double' (I don't think it does but very well could be wrong as I'm not that technical) the firepower I'd argue the deciding factor in the fight isn't the firepower. It's the ability to sit right behind the enemy and blast away unchallenged even if it takes hours. Death by a thousand pricks is still death. 😜 More firepower would just make the fight end faster and be that much more overwhelming!
I'd like to see a comparison of Thrawn and Picard.
Now that'd be a cool matchup!
That's sexy.
@@3Rayfire Also totally 1 sided. The only commander I'd say could make an ISD beat the Enterprise is Thrawn.
yes i'd like to see this...
Kekko Martin Bruh, in this video eckhartsladder just said the star destroyer is better...
So the US military could defeat a Star Destroyer but the flagship of the Federation fleet couldn't? What sort of logic is that?
Nonsense logic, since Enterprise can easily destroy the surface of the Earth.
No, it can depopulate the surface of the Earth. Even then it has to create a specific set of condition in the atmosphere and ignite the atmosphere to do so.
Damian EckhartsLadder could make the video a victory to the Star Destroyer the Star Destroyer could easily beat the US militairy if it was in space
AngelDyne @-You don't have full understanding of Trek Tech...Why would Starfleet "Nuke" anything...Especially, if such weapons are old an antiquated! Since standard Photon Torpedoes packed an matter/anti matter warhead...equal to 64 , or more megatons....?
That is fanboy logic.
Photon torpedos carry warp sustainer engines and have ranges in the hundreds of thousands to 1.5 million kilometer range in the TNG era. The enterprise could make some high speed warp runs outside of gun range and pepper the SD with torpedo barrages. When the shields get weakened, it can park directly behind the wedge and fire into it's back. I agree that the enterprise would be toast if if parked in front of star destroyer, but there is absolutely no way a SD wins in a turn battle with anyone and it's complete lack of weapon coverage on it's flank make it a sitting duck. The SD needs support to cover it's flanks or it loses to anything that is more maneuverable as long as the challenger's weapons are strong enough to break the star destroyer's shields with enough time.
You forgot to take into account deep space scanners and gravity well generators, denying its mid warp jump if a modern star destroyer has those, more exactly Imperial 2.5 model pattern, it can create enough engine drag that would cook the Enterprise if it tried to jump,
@@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723 Why would Star Wars Interdictors have any effect on Star Trek ships? ST vessels routinely go to warp well within planetary gravity wells. There's either much more going on with Interdictors than suggested (i.e. they're just being handwavey), or they would have little to no effect on a ST ship.
@@huntster1701German Space Magic! Duh!
It's based on comparisons and notes also both Hyperdrive engines have been called Warp drives
@@StallionStudios1234 If you can warp in time, keep in mind rapid or quick warp jumps have caused a cascade failure to most types of engines,
@@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723 That's not even necessary! The Federation has the ability to cloak while simultaneously flying through massive matter. Of course the Empire is screwed...
i don't think Q would let the enterprise lose he likes picard too much lol.
Then Enterprise is just too pretty for God to let it lose.... ;-)
You mean like when Q helped the Enterprise-D on Veridian III? oh, wait... or how about when Q helped the Enterprise-E with the Borg in First Contact, or when he helped them out against the Remans in Nemesis? oh, wait...
@@dieseljester I don't think you understand Q properly.
Jester is a Star Wars fan boy. SW is the ultimate, the greatest, the most powerful sci-fi franchise ever envisioned. Nothing can compare.
First Last: No, I understand Q completely. He does things for his own amusement and doesn't bother with the conflicts of mortals.
Robert Brown: No, I disagree with that. If we want to talk most powerful sci-fi franchise ever envisioned, I'd vote for EVE Online or The Imperium of Man from Warhammer 40K. I just don't think that Star Trek, while a great narrative and chocked full of awesome stories, is all that and a bag of chips.
When the Borg cutting beam sliced into the Enterprise's hull, the Enterprise's shields were in fact depleted at that point
Hehe Bork
@@JayRey117 We awe the Bork. Wower youw shiewds a suwwendew youw ship. You technowogicaw and biowogicaw distinctiveness wiww be added to ouw own. Wesistance is fUwUtile
@@legoluvver Not if I use the schwartz on you!
Plot Armour the greatest of all armours.
@@legoluvver *Shields up, Red alert!*
The funny part is that they both used to exist in the same universe. That is, until the Emperor ticked off the Q.
That’s interesting
Ah yes the standard blame q
Same universe, different galaxy.
@@indytiberius far, far away.
@Atheos B. Sapien a long time ago.
"WTF, there're shooting lasers at us!"
"Just beam a photon torpedo on their bridge".
Jokes aside, the Star Destroyer is based on WWI & WW2 Warfare with a doctrine of inaccurate volume of fire, whereas the Enterprise-D weapon doctrine seem to be based on at least the cold war era, with less numerous but highly accurate strikes due to the advances in firing control systems. The SD *may* hit the E, but the E *will* hit the SD every time it fires. The E can strike repeated hits with pinpoint accuracy everywhere on the SD, on the engines, the shield generators, the bridge, pick off the turbolasers one by one, hell, even draw a dickbutt on the hull with a continued phaser beam.
I think for that reason alone, the Enterprise has the upper edge.
No, fighters. The enterprise doesn’t have them.
@@JoannaJedrzejczyksForehead Correct the Enterprise is a Battleship and a Star Destroyer is a Carrier.
@@kennethhall289 yes, and Nimitz proved that carriers are the pinnacle of naval warfare.
@@JoannaJedrzejczyksForehead on the ocean. Much different scenario in space where the Enteprise D has superior firing range and overall better projection range than the Star Destroyer and it's tie fighters.
@@chaost4544
Not to forget faster as well.
The tos Enterprise phaser range was cited in journey to bable to be 80k range.
Torpedoes was stated to have a range of 150k and shown on screen when it Destroyed Nomad a craft the same size as the weakness of the death star at max range.
A feat not even Luke could pull off at close range without space magic to make the hit.
Nothing on screen has yet to counter those ranges.
"Holy shit sir, they barely have deflector shields!"
"How quaint. Number One, beam a photon torpedo onto their bridge."
I don't think they can beam things through deflector shields. Even a simple jammer can disrupt the transporter.
@@TheReaverOfDarkness Not through, exactly. Star Wars shields don't surround the ship. Remember when the Falcon was escaping the Death Star and Chewie had to angle the shields to keep them between the ship and the fighters? If the shields don;t fully surround the ship, a Federation transporter can get around them, and boom, antimatter charges on the bridge and inside the main reactor.
@@cory6266 If you've seen many other sci-fi shows and games, it is fairly standard of energy shields that they can be angled if you choose to, enabling a higher amount of strength in the direction of incoming attack without increasing their overall strength. You can also see this in some Star Wars games such as X-Wing. I don't see any reason to believe that any section of the Star Destroyer is ever not covered by SOME shielding. After all, the ships in Star Trek are covered in shielding even when their combat shields go down.
@@TheReaverOfDarkness I have, very many. The difference in SW is, there's a visual representation of Chewie angling the shields, it's displayed on a screen in the Falcon's cockpit, and the shields are two flat planes that maneuver around the ship, with gaps at the edges. And this is true for Star Destroyers as well, considering an A-Wing's tiny blasters were able to take out the deflector generator for the bridge of the Executor. It didn't shoot through the shield, the shield was not angled to guard against that direction at that moment.
@Joseph Douek You can see the shields being angled here, and that they don't encompass the ship.
ruclips.net/video/o_16kWVY4Uo/видео.html
Imo your analysis is flawed. An X-Wing fighter, with relatively weak (non-capital ship) and imprecise (point to shoot) cannons , is a potential threat to a Star Destroyer. Compared to the X-Wing, the Enterprises Phasers are by far, far more powerful capital ship weapons, and are by far, far more precise, able to hit small fast moving ships with ease and able hit ships beyond visual range or to target precise systems locations on larger ships.
The Star Destroyer has many guns, but they can barely hit a frigate ship in plain sight thats not maneuvering and less than a couple kilometers away. Any engagement thats not a proximity battle is sporadic lucky shots. Sporadic lucky shots are a threat to Star Wars shields but not to Star Trek capital ships. The only way the enterprise would be in real trouble is if it would park itself next to the Star Destroyer broadside so that a large number of gunners would not miss. But the Enterprise has the sensors, combat speed and maneurability to make sure that would never happen and the Star Destroyer is essentially a big sitting duck.
Heres how it would play out:
The Enterprise scans the Star Destroyer when its beyond visual range and is surprised to see how exposed and easy to cripple is its bridge deflector shield. That its bridge is on an elevated silver plater. And that it has a huge weapons blind spot a few hundred kilometers straight behind it.
The Star Destroyer lauches tie fighters to intercept, not realizing that, unlike a Star Destroyer, this ship's capital weapons will not miss them, its like sending lambs to the slaughter. But after a while, as the tie fighter pilots are manually figeting with their controls and turning a knob to prepare for the attack, just before the tie fighters get into range, the Enterprise does not even bother to swat them and warps, instantly appearing all the way to the other side of the Star Destroyer, fires several capital ship phasers into the bridge deflector shield with a quick phaser strike to the main sensor array and a salvo of photon torpedos right into the bridge. The crew guy does not even finish his sentence..."Sir, we just lost our" *boom!* . The clueless gunners are wondering why they cant see the ship that the tie fighter were supposed to attack, before they or the tie fighters pilots know whats happening, the Enterprise warps several hundred kilometers right behind the Star Destroyer and fires on the engines.The star destroyer is now immobilized, mostly blind, confused without command. The Enterprise rapidly manouvers to the ventral side staying beyond visual range and knocks out the ventral shield, largest turrets it can detect, and fires a salvo of photon torpedoes in the exposed hangar, then maneuvers around the large drifting derelict ship and fires on deflectors, turrets, and starts picking off one by one the tie fighters in the distance returning to the Star Destroyer. In the end, the tactical officer says "shields at 90%", and the Enterprise finishes off the Star Destroyer wreckage by teleporting 3 photon torpedoes rigged to detonate in 30 seconds inside the helpless Star Destroyer right next to the still intact main reactor and warps away as a bright ball of light briefly illuminates space in the distance behind them.
1 thing... i never saw in the star trek show the the ships are moving at fighting
just standing still and fire...
The Picard maneuver. If you watch any episode the captains are screaming maneuver this way or that. All things in space being relative though you can’t tell against the backdrop of stars. In maneuverability alone the enterprise would whoop ass and it can split in two.
Rick Deckard And that's with the enterprise being sporting.
The Star Destroyer would wallow like a garbage scow against a warp-driven starship. Star Trek wins easy.
Good analysis of the fight Rick.
Mana Because there's no point, the other ship could easily match the movements. But if there are a lot of ships fighting against one ships there is a lot of movement and attack runs, ex: W359
Star Trek may be technologically superior, but we have THE SENATE HIMSELF
Clitx Pl4sma
Wrong.
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Clitx Pl4sma Do you even know anything about Star Wars or Star Trek?
Clitx Pl4sma so you're biased.
Wait wut the hell is happening
One point to consider in the Star Trek universe are their ships ability to target weapon shots with precision accuracy against specific systems. The advanced sensors that you mentioned in your video would come into play more prominently in that regard.
and star trek ships can make that precise shot from 200,000 to 300,000 km, the ISD is at most a generous 5000km
@@tk5800thesecond Battles like that are only ever talked about. We've never seen those kinds of long-range engagements depicted. Every ship-to-ship battle shown on screen is shown to be within ten km, including the fleet battles in DS9.
Interesting thing about all those precision weapons. The entire weapons array aboard every Starfleet ship is generally controlled by 1 guy. And small, rapidly maneuvering craft like SW snub fighters have been demonstrated to frustrate the weapons operators of all factions. Even the NX-01 Enterprise struggled to accurately target Suliban Cell ships and modified WW2 aircraft. And there was some dialogue related to that kind of tactical engagement where a rookie tactical officer missed a shot against a target that abruptly changed course.
@@imofage3947I mean I wouldn’t something that compared to the D would be like at most a English Frigate from the 1700s compared to a Battleship circa 2022
star wars ships can also target specific systems, that is not a very advanced feat
I would give raw power to the Imperial Destroyer, but precision and tactical versatility to the Enterprise. Federation victories are often done through tactical maneuvers and using scientific equipment to analyze the opponent's vulnerabilities. Even if we assume the Enterprise cannot find a scientific way to bypass Imperial defenses, it could outmaneuver it. Imperial firepower does not travel the speed of light and can be dodged, and the Destroyer is meant for formation fighting and has glaring blind-spots in firepower in its rear, if the Enterprise stays behind it, it will mitigate most of the damage while it uses precision strikes to disable the Destroyer. I don't think the Imperials could cripple the Enterprise fast enough to prevent this.
i think your definition of raw power is a little flawed. star destroyers have never shown a fraction of the firepower potential of a galaxy class like the enterprise.
I would agree I suppose. Star Trek has ample amount of scenes showing high tech: shifting continents, tackling huge cosmic anomalies, but extreme precision as well. Star Wars really hasnt shown such feats, maybe they havent had the opportunity but still...
TheCsel The World Devastators built by the Imperial Remnant in Legends were used to strip planets of all their mass, convert it to energy, and back to matter, constructing entire fleets in the process out of the matter that came out. The Celestials are the upper end of technology in star wars and they constructed systems using black holes, but I'm terms of just feats by the Empire and its contemporaries they have done feats that rival those of star trek, such as utilizing a much faster ftl system, creating a weapon that destoys stars, etc. Star Wars tech may be relatively stagnate compared to Stay Trek, but it isn't inherently inferior to it. Also E rejected using the more ridiculous numbers from both universes, so theres that
the numbers are only ridiculous if there is nothing to back them up. sw doesnt have the proof. EU is dead and not usable. those numbers are indeed ridiculous. when you put the on screen, not legend, feats of sw up against st, sw = epic fail.
john boggs Star Wars Legends is as dead as the non-Kelvin timeline of Star Trek, which is where you are getting your numbers and feats. The main difference is that Disney has only made one good star wars movie, one mediocre, one terrible, as well as one terrible and stupid tv show aimed at toddlers. The Kelvin timeline star Trek movies are however pretty decent. If you are counting the star trek timeline that doesn't count anymore, I can count the star wars timeline that doesn't count anymore. Also the star wars material calls things lasers that aren't rarely is something actually a laser, ion weapons are designed to shut down technology, also star wars has weapons that just straight up undo crystalline materials molecular structure and they also happen to go through shields. Also if star trek really was that much more grounded in reality then it's numbers would be smaller than star wars, at least as depicted. Star Wars also faced the Yuuzhan Vong a species whose technology provided a hard counter to their own and won despite starting the war with every possible disadvantage, something the star trek forces have not done to my knowledge, yes I know of the Borg, but they pretty much just use better more powerful versions of star trek's already existing tech as opposed to actually countering their tech with different tech. The Borg were terrifying, but the Vong were much harder to defeat, if only because the Borg were using tech that was pretty much just more advanced version of the tech star trek was already using.
The Enterprise has been seen on multiple occasions drilling through the crust of a planet, several hundred meters and the time of firing is 1-2 seconds. where as the star destroyers can bombard for several minutes and not breach the surface to any significant level. now this level of power gets shown in shields, if those in the ST universe can do that sort of damage then you figure their primary enemies have the same level of power, which their shields have to withstand showing the vast superiority of the ST universe shields. dont get me wrong, I love both universes, but it is like comparing civil war units vs modern day units.
What a dumb assumption. Turbo laser bombardment isn’t meant for planetary destruction, it’s meant for structural obliteration. Proton torpedoes are the equivalent destroyer of crust, where a single proton torpedo has been shown to crater into planets akin to underground nuclear blasts. Beyond that, a star destroyer, being of larger size is going to have larger power plants in order to run its systems. It’s multiple reactors will have far greater energy reserves than some lowly exploration vessel.
Look at this logically: in Star Trek, you are looking at earth some few thousand years ahead of us in our current timeline. They’ve been at peace for almost all of it, focusing their research/development on peaceful technology to aid in exploration. Examples: transporters, genesis life creators, advanced sensors for scanning. By the time of the empire and the OT, the Empire, (formerly the republic), is well over 30,000 years ahead from the Rakatan infinite empire, spending 29,000 years in perpetual warfare. As such, they’ve developed weapons far superior to anything seen in Star Trek. Examples: Darth Angrals harrower class star destroyer from SWTOR, Superweapon projects like the Death Star, planetary shielding, and a long list of super weapons designed around planetary destruction working back for thousands of years. The longest lasting peace was between the war against the brotherhood of darkness in the last Sith wars and the clone wars clocking in at about 1000 years. There’s no way a peacetime exploration navy that’s been around for approximately 3,000 years has the weapons, firepower, or tactics to fight a wartime navy built upon 30 millennia of battlefield experiences and developments. That’s the modern day equivalent of putting Shaolin monks against the US Army. Sure, a shaolin CAN fight well. But they are not warriors, they are not trained military personnel. They don’t exist for the singular purpose of war since it’s inception. And this doesn’t even account for the possibility of running into a force-sensitive individual such as Jedi knights, (or in the more accurate case of star destroyers Sith Inquisitors or lords.) Against the powers of brings like Darth Vader, the enterprise would be destroyed outright.
@@nathanielweber7843 Having bigger power plants means nothing if those power plants are only designed to make electrons flow. The Death Star literally has to be that extreme size to be able to have enough power plants to even fire the laser cannon that is capable of destroying a planet.
Star Treks tech allows them vastly more power in a smaller package cause of its quantum controller particle energy tech, allowing something as small as the USS Defiant the ability to destroy planets with phasers alone.
The power advantage ST has over SW is simply that orders of magnitude extreme.
@@brickbunny9686 I disagree with your assessment about weapons being orders of magnitude greater: if you look at all of Star Trek against all of Star Wars (including legends), Star Wars has equally potent, if not more deadly weapons. But let’s give you your assumptions. Let’s only talk about the enterprise and star destroyers. Even if everything you say is correct, and a one-to-one battle favors Star Trek (which is disputable at best), the empire can field star destroyers at a rate in excess of ten-to-one. Mega-cruisers like the executor or the eclipse themselves would overmatch star fleet in one to ones. Death Star tech could wipe out earth in less than five minutes. Even if I granted each of your talking points in a one on one, Star Wars still wins the war.
But to return to the one v one: you may have a more potent reactor, but we have multiples. At best, it evens out. You are not faster in any significant way, and we have the bombers and fighter screens to make up for any range differentials. Our ion cannons can drain your power faster than you can drain ours by simple mathematics. We have over 60 heavy weapons, you have about twelve. Which ever way you slice this, you don’t outclass the star destroyer so greatly that you have winning certainties. If anything, star destroyers have enough overwhelming firepower to decimate your shields first, but I’m willing to concede that it’s close. Ultimately however, I have the satisfaction of knowing that even if we lose some star destroyers, we still subjugate your pathetic exploration fleet beneath the boot of our might.
@@nathanielweber7843 Wrong. Quantum controlled particle energy systems, intnetionally creating artificial particles optimized to destroy atoms, by the artificial energy particle called Nadeons, being fired at an electron shield is simply a hot knife threw butter, while your ion cannons are merely charged Radon Gas super heated into a weapon, other then that you are only firing electrons against the a particle energy shield. You could fire your electron weapons against a quantum controlled particle energy shield all day with your fleets of Star Destroyers and a single Galaxy Class Starship from the ST universe would slice threw them like a child unleashed into a cookie shop where all the employees quite while the manager was out for lunch. Your entire fleet would be destroyed. Your SW fleets would not be able to do anything to stop a single Galaxy Class ship, even if they tried ramming it with a hyperspace jump. a single galaxy class ship has that much overwhelming power using quantum physics over your SW electron controlled power systems. Even the Tie fighters have no chance. The Galaxy class Star Ship from ST could just Zero Elevation attack and fry them all at once without targeting anything.
@@nathanielweber7843 When you need an entire death star s worth of generators to power a moon sized space station, just to have enough power for a huge freaking laser cannon, just to destroy a planet, that alone shows just how inadequate SW electron power systems really are, verses Quantum controlled particle energy systems of StarFleet ships that can destroy a planet just as easily. A star Fleet ship half the size of your Star Destroyer ones, capable of destroying planets, that require your SW universe space station the size of earths moon to be able to do the same job. Mass produce your Empires fleet all you want, they will be shredded by the sheer orders of magnitude better tech StarFleet has.
The enterprise has used its phasers to drill holes through a planets crust, I'd say that's powerful enough for planetary bombardment.
Star trek focuses mainly on science and complex stories, star wars is more fantasy and action, I don't think you can compare the two
I think you can compare the two.
yes you can and anyone would gladly do so
^^^^^^
It really doesn't matter if you can or can't compare them, people will always try.
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Three things that you overlooked:
1 - All but the few heaviest lasers on an ISD are short range defense weapons. Again, playing the video games shows this as well as the older source books. The issue is that, yes, they are a murder-fest if you are at under about 10-15km range, and provide almost perfect anti-fighter screening, but farther out than that, you they are useless. In terms of actual ranged output and also as seen in the recent movies like Last Jedi, even the larger weapons have a hard time dealing damage at a significant range. This is why they are forced to use their fighters. The top speed of an ISD is also absurdly slow being that it is really a fleet carrier and mobile command post.
2: Range. Star Trek ships are used to engaging at thousands of kilometers away. Unless they literally drop in on top of the ISD and are forced to start at zero velocity, all it takes is a quick burst of speed, turn around, and kite at 1000km until the shields are down. Even then, the 3-4 seconds it takes to issues a command and *humans* manning those guns to aim and start firing, the Enterprise is already warped out or at 1/4 impulse. Officially, that's 18,665 km/s. Now you see me, now you simply don't. Absolutely impossible to aim and hit via humans while kiting.
3: Computer Core. The Enterprise has an advanced computer core that automates firing as well as defense and shield balancing on a speed that doesn't exist in Star Wars. Nothing the entire Tie Fighter fleet can throw at it will save them when they can be swatted by phasers at ranges of 100km+ Their official "range" of their weapons is less than 10km. A few might make it to the ship, but it can just short-range warp 100km away in a few seconds. They simply never catch up and get picked off at a rate of several per second since they have no shields.
The win goes almost every time to The Enterprise simply because of its absurd speed advantage, ability to warp in seconds without having to plot hyperspace paths, and range of its weapons.
You’re forgetting one thing…. Jedi negotiations 😂
@@droogsurgeon1440 Oh, for sure :) If the Jedi get on board The Enterprise, it's worse than any Borg.
@@plektosgaming lol... "Mr. O'Brian, get their coordinates an beam them out..."
@@plektosgaming The Jedi don't serve in the Imperial Fleet.
Also the enterprise has the ability to split the disc section from the engine and engineering bay so there for making it 2 targets to deal with the enterprise would easily out manoeuvre the slow star destroyer and will get out of range before the star destroyer could start to deal any damage past the enterprise’s shields not only that the targeting system on the enterprise is far more superior than that of any imperial vessel so it would know where to hit and how far away to be
Photon Torpedoes were specifically developed to do harm on an enemy vessel while your own ship is on warp.
Picard's diplomacy would have prevented the fight in the first place.
Doubt it ..we should assume they are already ready to blow the shit out of everyone ..
You really wanna make that argument against the Militaristic Empire?
Lol
@@valiatus6719 you are totally correct. There is no such word as diplomacy in the imperial dictionary.
But then the Senate is the Senate
Worf: “Enemy is powering lasers”
Riker: *mockingly* “Lasers?”
Riker ‘status?’
Worf; “Enemy has fired weapons. Estimating time to impact. The computer appears to be in error.’
Data: ‘The computer is correct. If we remain here, the fire from those weapons will pass by our location harmlessly in 6 months, 12 days, 9 hours, and 47 minutes.’
Riker: ‘6 MONTHS to impact’
Data: ‘technically, they will never impact as all weapons fire will miss’
Riker: ‘you’re saying they fired 100 warning shots?’
Data: ‘No sir. This appears to be the limit of their accuracy.’
Riker: ‘who are these clowns? Target engines and weapons systems only.’
He would actually say that
@@v3rlon Yes
No, they actually have 60 Turbolasers and 60 Ion Cannons, plus 10 Tractor Beams to ensnare enemy ships. Despite the name, they do not fire lasers, rather they fire a plasma bolt, similar to other Star Wars blasters, using gas as a power source. Laser beams are used to guide them to their target. The Ion Cannons are used to disable enemy shields.
Star Trek capital ships move way faster than Star Wars fighters. Star Wars weapons are manually targeted. Unless the gunners are Force-sensitive, even hitting the Enterprise would require a miracle.
I mean I'm on the star trek side of this debate but it's not a stretch that the turrets on a Star destroyer would have targeting ais while not being manned. (I am no star wars nerd, in fact I think the entire series is pretty dumb, at least outside of video games, just a personal opinion I see why others enjoy it). In Star Wars Battlefront 2, the good one, not the new one, I'm fairly certain that one of the interior things you can blow up if you manage to land on a ship is a targeting computer. Could be wrong there tho and also I imagine that game isn't exactly considered canon lol.
The main bennefits of Star wars more than anything else is resources, Star wars is in a galaxy where somehow almost every planet seems inhabited and is able to easily be mined.
Star Trek habitable planets are very few and uninhabitable planets face large issues to bennefit from any resources possible.
Thanks to this Star wars has an unimaginable humanoid resource and item resource.
the troopers manning the turbolasers manage to still hit small fighters such as x wings or the arc-170. The enterprise is fast yes, but its huge, and its saucer section is literally a bullseye with the bridge in the middle, this silhouette only being made larger by the shape of the shields they employ. A single turbolaser firing can miss yes, but what about 80 of them? As the author said this is an extremely unfair fight, in their own right each ship is beyond impressive, however the star destroyer is a WARship, while the enterprise is a science vessel capable of defending itself. Speaking on terms of the crew however, there is absolutely zero question that the enterprise has a vastly more skilled crew, and I believe the federation has better technology as well. That all being said, I actually think this is a close fight, the star destroyer will take pretty damn good damage, however ultimately the enterprise cannot keep up with the blanket of fire that the destroyer puts out... also I disagree with the author in the sense that the fighters would not be effective, sure they have peashooters by comparison but if the enterprise's engines take a hit (which lets be honest we've seen the show, they do) the fighters could swarm and take out the phaser arrays and torpedo tubes with relative ease.
Sorry for the essay.
@@Castia158 The Enterprise is a science vessel capable of defending its self ?
That is just utter nonsense..... We all know its really just a future version of 'murder on the orient express' / apartment complex really
@@Castia158 Yes but the enterprise is massively faster than any fighter in the Star Wars universe (like absolute velocity being in the range of 1-50% the speed of light) and has massive acceleration advantage over those fighters as well. Not to mention the massive range advantage.
In fact the enterprise outs stats a star destroyer in nearly every way possible except for the number of weapons on board, the crew complement, and overall size. I mean if you look at the stats for either you see that the enterprise takes it in terms of shot for shot firepower (this is also by a wide margin), weapons range (this ones like a 60x margin), speed, shield capability, platform flexibility, acceleration, etc.
This is like the HMS Victoria versus Type 143a Gepard Class, the Victoria simply does not have the necessary weapons to hit the Gepard Class yet the Gepard can pound it to dust with the 76mm and Anti ship Missiles from out side it’s range.
Being a warship doesn’t preclude it from being massively out stated.
Eck I think you're mostly right, but Starfleet crew are trained to view their surroundings in very scientific ways. I think you underestimate the speed at which they would figure out that the Imp2 can't fire behind itself (I'm relying heavily on Data for this one). I think they'd figure it out within the first minute and then take maybe another minute to two at most to get there. That gives the Imp2 a max time of 3 minutes to destroy the Enterprise D, all while its still flying circles around the Imp2. I'd give the Enterprise the 7/10 win tbh.
Yes, and their phasers can "destroy a continent" so they should have no trouble with a slow turtle
That is crew. The crews aren't taken into consideration, just the ships themselves.
@@copterinx0468 Lol, I guess. If they had sisko they would just "prophet" them into oblivion so I guess that would be fair. But they still do have way better sensors, and would figure it out
@@bobjoebo8933 Perhaps. But even then, finding the blind spot is different from getting there. Sure, Enterprise is faster, but all the Star Destroyer has to do is turn. If the Enterprise makes a tight circle around the Star Destroyer, the Star Destroyer's weapons will obliterate the Enterprise much faster. If the Enterprise keeps its distance, the Star Destroyer may be able to turn fast enough. It comes down really to just how much faster the Enterprise is and how much punishment it can take. Hard to call. In Rogue One, Vader's star destroyer was able to obliterate a small fleet and disable a previously-functioning capital ship in...a minute? Capital ship vs. capital ship, you don't get a whole lot better than a star destroyer. It would help if the Enterprise had legit fighters, but all they have are those shuttles.
If we would consider specific crew (Data) I would just put thrawn onto the ISD and game over, that doesnt work
Shields weren't really covered in this video. Shields are such a big part of star trek, but barely are ever even mentioned in star wars. My guess is that the enterprise would have much better shields, but the star destroyer would have a far stronger hull.
your right. photon torpedoes...
Shields are mentioned constantly in The star wars universe. I'd argue star wars Shields are more powerful as they can take quite a beating from heavy weaponry. Episode 8 showed small ships surviving very heavy bombardment from a much larger ship with much heavier weaponry albeit for a short period in close range and for a long period just out of optimum firing range. For episode 5 we see the millennium falcon, a freighter, take multiple hits from a Star destroyer.
@@RetractedandRedacted here's how I explain it... both sides get 1200 shield points
ISD = 600 shields in back 600 in front
ST = with 12 plates that's 100 per plate
Shields in Star Wars are more powerful because their weapons are more powerful.
@@nocrtname Well, I'd say it's more of a shield-gating/layering would be seen as obsolete. I mean, ships are hauling butt in the megalight range throwing bolts at you, gating shields would just be pointless. It's like comparing the rind of a watermelon to the skin of an onion. They both work the same function, but one is for durability out in the open, whereas the other isn't really designed for that. If you take ten sheets of paper and compare it to a sheet of paper ten sheets thick, it's hard to see which is better because a hammer can drive a nail through both equally. But when you look at the sheer size of the destroyer compared to the Enterprise, you'll soon see the mistakes. It's not 10 sheets vs 1 sheet, ten thick; its actually a whole darn notebook-thick sheet of paper vs 3-sheets of paper.
FYI...the Borg laser was only effective because the Enterprise's shields were down, otherwise it would not have been able to penetrate the Enterprise D's shields...also the word laser is an acronym, "light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation", so unless light is different in a different galaxy (which it isn't), a laser is a laser is a laser. Shields are designed in both universes to deflect the weapons being used against them. In the SW universe there are lasers, super lasers, ion cannons and various bombs. In the ST universe there are lasers, phasers, super phasers, phaser cannons and various torpedoes.
Just comparing the two lists, the SW weapons are inferior in technology to the ST weapons, which means that ST shields would withstand anything a Star Destroyer could throw at it, whereas SW shields would easily be taken down by the Enterprise's phasers...if only because they have never encountered and would have no way to stop more advanced weapons. And size doesn't necessarily translate to power, the USS Defiant could easily defeat a SSD simply because a SSD could not deal with a ship that small and maneuverable and the Defiant's weapons are far superior to the SSD's defensive capabilities.
A far more even battle would be between either Star Destroyer and a Omega class destroyer from B5 or a Mercury class battlestar from BSG. Those three universes are very similar in terms of technology...IMHO...
Special note. A single xwing fighter has always shown to be able to defeat the shields of a star destroyer even the super star destroyer. Also note that the star destroyers shields still allowed crafts to magnetically attach to the hull. (Empire Strikes Back).
Star Wars universe uses "Matter Collapsing Reactors" basically fancy nuclear and stated fusion drive technology. Some say it's like Romulan Singularity Cores but no evidence of similarity. Star Trek uses anti-matter and fusion reactors, warp plasma capacitors and charged capacity banks. (Mainly Phasers). Also Star Trek impulse speed are faster than even the Melinium Falcon therefore tracking a target manually would be extremely difficult. Star Trek computers are based on subspace technology so processing would be vastly superior than star wars which is still based off Speed Of Light technology like ours. On top of that, the enterprise d had 12 personal shuttle crafts, ten cargo shuttles, five special crafts (Runabouts) and a compliment of worker shuttles. All had shields, deflectors and offensive weapons,(worker shuttles was the weakest and was not warp capable, mainly used to repair ship in space). Here's a really special note. Star Wars had one advantage and that was their communication technology was far more superior as it even surpassed hyperspace speed. That's how I think the Order was able to track in hyperspace the rebel fleet in "The Last Jedi". Here's two big booming advantages that was not adressed, Enterprise had entered the Corona of a star and photon Torpedoes have been fired at distances of close to 92 million miles from a star.
You forgot the Sovereign class. With more powerful shields and quantum torpedoes. If you really want to get ridiulous there is Voyager with Admiral Janeaway's upgrades. What would transphasic torpedoes do to an executor let alone an SD.
Star wars doesn't use laser tho. I love Star Trek and yes the Enterprise would destroy that star destroyer in a few minutes max, but star wars still shoots plasma. So its a small 5000+°C bolt of plasma wich the Enterprise evades 95% of the time. The second the Enterprise would stop moving and stand in Front of the ISD for a few seconds it would be fucked. But it wont do that. Thats why it will win most of the times.
Imperial technology is more advanced and it would be able to destroy the shields which would then not matter whether it's cutting beam or ion cannon
The Enterprise D in "Yesterday's Enterprise" was built solely as a battleship and was also the flagship of the federation in that timeline.
I've said it before functionally the enterprise has the star destroyer out classed in menuverability, and even firepower more then once it's noted that on a planet without shields a constitution class is capable of glassing a planet let alone a galaxy class which is far more advanced. Also there is a range difference and biggest is a precision difference with the ability to fire concentrated and pinpoint accurate shots at the sheild emmiters on the star destroyer where the isd has no answer for. Tie fighters aren't even a factor as they would be cut to ribbons long before they even got in range. Even if you concede the weapons have simmilar levels of power the accuracy and speed at which a phaser can be delivered is staggering as it is not a plasma bolt it is a straight up particle ray and is nearly instanious.
I agree in essence , but a ISD holds 72 tie fighters, which are smaller, faster, and have greater maneuverability. Could the enterprise D take on all 72 tie fighters and the ISD.
The other issue is sheer aggressiveness. Picard will be hailing them and firing warning shots while the ISD goes ape on them.
I do think the enterprise E would obliterate an ISD. However, the star trek crew would be wiped out by the storm troopers they rescue.
Also, what happens if the ISD decides to launch it’s interceptors or the bombers? The interceptor is much faster and packs a heavier punch while the bomber can devastate the Enterprise with one hit while being more armored.
@Satanic Microchip v3 It would still buy the ISD some time. Also, newer tie fighters have shields and most tie pilots are capable of disabling turrets with ease. It is impossible for the Enty to shoot down all of them without taking a hit, which the ISD would push the advantage and bada bing bada boom, no more enterprise.
@Satanic Microchip v3 ISD still wins hands down. While it is busy with the fighters, the ISD is firing turbolasers, ion cannons, super lasers (big boy guns) one after another, and some ISDs have a big planet killer laser in the front that can penetrate all shields made before a certain date. Chances are, the shields can not stand up to the barrage and the Enterprise would force a retreat.
@Satanic Microchip v3 Also have I mentioned how easy it is to hit the engines? The Enty has her engines on the side while the ISD engines are protected by the front.
Star Destroyers are taken out by a hand full of X-Wings.
And there you go,,,damn snub fighters tear Warz apart but this fool thinks Phaser Banks from 300K kilometers away AND Photon Torpedos can't get through shielding...not to mention REAL SHIELDS!!!
Ever notice that there are almost no fighters in trek
@Shayne Duke Which can't track fast enough to shoot at snubfighters...much less a ship moving at 1/4 the speed of light at an oblique angle.
A Star Destroyer could only hit a Galaxy Class if her helm were incredibly stupid or the gunnery crews on the Star Destroyer were unfathomably lucky.
Yes amazing that a handful of x-wings can do what the plot needs them to do for the sake of the plot. It’s like complaining that John McClain would have died when terrorists shot at him with automatic weapons or that air ducts aren’t big enough for a grown man to fit in.
@@crackgoat9780 Care to ask the Imperial Japanese Navy how many ships they lost to a "handful of aircraft"?
IJN Akagi's death was decided by three dive bombers; one Miss, one Near Miss, and one Hit.
Two 1000 pound bombs from three planes (the only two sizable pieces of ordinance to get anywhere near it) from a whopping three planes sealed the fate of the second most powerful aircraft carrier in the world.
One complication:
In one of the Star Wars movies, someone destroyed one of the sphere things on the outside of a star destroyer, which immediately disabled the shields, which led to the destruction of the ship.
Federation star ships have excellent sensors and good science/engineering officers who might be able to figure out this vulnerability and exploit it.
You have to either breach the shields first or move under the shields of the star destroyer first. Do you honestly think the shields domes are not covered by the shield they emit?
@@osets2117 The domes are not the primary shield generators. They just help provide additional shielding.
assuming you mean during the battle of endor with those a-wings, that had only destroyed a portion of the shields
you can hear one of the officers say "sir, we've lost our *bridge deflector shields* meaning that they lost the deflector shields to their primary bridge, but honestly i still dont think a star destroyer has a chance against an enterprise
Should I bring up the exposed bridge of both vessels?
@@thomasc9789 if a Star Destroyer loses its bridge, the ship is down. Star Fleet ships can be commanded from anywhere in the ship. Engineering can take over.
Star Destroyer vs Wraith Hive Ship I would love to see that.
because the star destroyer vs the Daedalus would be too much of a one sided fight.
Yes, I would love to see that
@@nightwingaven69 what about the Prometheus
@@anidiot2284 Prometheus would get completely stomped. That ship was a pile of garbage
I'd be happy with anything stargate but a Wraith Hive seems like a good match up
Worf: Captain! The enemy is firing on us!
Picard: They are?
Worf: Yes sir! They are using some sort of ancient laser based weaponry.
Picard: Disable them and then open a comms channel.
Worf: Yes sir!
You forgot the part where Data chimes in "It appears to be short range only - less than a hundred kilometers".
:)
In TOS the Constitution class Enterprise was said to be able to singlehandedly destroy a planet on multiple occasions. The Galaxy class Enterprise of TNG was many magnitudes more powerful than a Constitution class. In order to wipe out a planet the Galactic Empire had to build a massive moon sized weapon. If the Star Destroyer was truly more powerful than a Galaxy Class Starship; why not use a Star Destroyer to destroy Alderaan?
It is also important to remember that Star Trek vessels of opposing sides (ex. Starfleet vs. Romulan Star Empire) are often portrayed as having similar fire power. So when engaged in combat; their shields are regularly shrugging off weapons with world destroying potential.
It would seem that Starfleet vessels are vastly more powerful than anything in the Star Wars universe; in terms of fire power, defensive shielding, and speed (at least against Star Destroyers.)
This is how I see it playing out (provided there is open war already, and the orders are to destroy the enemy, and there is no advanced warning from "the force.") The Galaxy class Enterprise detects the Star Destroyer at extremely long range with it's superior tech, and stops outside of the SD's sensor range. The computer in the Enterprise identifies all vulnerable areas for targeting on the SD, and determines the offensive capabilities of the SD as well. The Enterprise then will potentially reposition to optimize for the attack. It would then likely close distance rapidly firing a full spread of torpedoes, (potentiality photonic, and or quantum depending on the timeframe) simultaneously hitting key defensive systems with phaser fire.
The tactics used would largely depend on the Enterprise computer's evaluation of the capabilities of the SD, but could range from a hit and run style attack considering a formidable opponent, or a sit there and Tank the hits approach considering a comparatively weak opponent.
In full disclosure; I have never been a fan of Star Wars, and have little knowledge of that universe. I have a substantial amount of knowledge of Star Trek. So my evaluation is based off of what I already know of Star Trek, and what was said in this video.
It really seems like a easy win for the Enterprise based on what the presenter said about the Star Destroyer, and that does not even take into account potential transporter trickery.
Once you add a "Force User" to the mix; a Star Destroyer becomes much more formidable I think. Without one; it seems doomed.
You're almost right: even if a "Force User" is on the SD it has little to no chance. Because:
1. The Ship computer is highly advanced and could possibly run the Ship without any crewman (it can create life)
2. One letter: Q
(You brought good facts to this "Zone of War". Keep it up)
Except if you go by raw stats the each main gun on an ISD is about 2,800 times stronger than a phaser bank on the Enterprise D. Enterprise D has 12 phaser banks, ISD has 60 of those main guns. Plus a complement of 72 TIE fighters to help out. And shields around 20 *billion* times stronger than the Enterprise... If you go by raw numbers from the tech manuals of both universes.
It gets a little absurd. They're not really comparable, but from a raw numbers standpoint, all the numbers are bigger in the Star Wars universe, so in direct translation, nothing from Star Trek, not even the Borg, come close.
They chose different levels as the "base" level for both universes.
Raven1024 If you'd know how fast the Enterprise D (the other Enterprises maybe too) can DISABLE, i repeat: DISABLE the ISD...
Husky_ Clan It isn't even going to stress the shield.
so glad somebody mentioned the TIE's
Speed Advantage(Sub-Light, where Combat takes place, in Star Wars anyways...)- Enterprise.
Weapons Range Advantage- Enterprise.
Sensor Advantage- Enterprise.
Target Acquisition and Targeting Advantage- Enterprise.
"Micro-jump" Advantage- Enterprise.
Ability to Improvise/Adapt(ie, Modulate Shields to cope with Fire, Change Phaser Frequencies to Overcome Shields, use the Transporter, use Shuttles to Distract the ISD and/or Kill the TIEs, etc...)- Enterprise.
AND the Fact that the Enterprise is a Exploration Vessel vs a Warship....
Verdict: Enterprise WINS!!!
Change My Mind.
You got it right.
You forgot the ISD is crewed by Imperial Clones who couldn't hit the broad side of a planet. I'll take a Red Shirt any day. At least they go out fighting.
Who would you pick? Imperial Clones or Spaceball's Morons?"
@@jeffroseborough8160 Imperial "Clones" are NOT Stormtroopers. I'll take the Clone Troopers in ANY Engagement vs "Redshirts"!!!
Stormtroopers are a entirely different Variable altogether(and THAT is discounting the Words of Obi-wan Kenobi on Tatooine..... "and these Blast Points, only Imperial Stormtroopers are so PRECISE".). Vader's 501st are NOT a Joke!!!
Star Trek wins in Ship to Ship Battles. On the Ground(in Corridors, etc) Redshirts are NOT M.A.C.O. Operatives.
Here's a Question: Which Trooper gets the most Plot Armor????
More "Variables to Consider, No?.....
You forgot the hull strengh!!! in into darkness, the uss vengance crashed into a city, destroyed a good amount of buildings and its hull was pretty much intact afterwards. A star destroyer slowly crashes into the Death star and immediatly explodes ... guess that's another point for the enterprise
I agree with a majority of what you said, however I don’t think the Enterprise would win, and even if it did it would only be barely. The Imperial II Star Destroyer has some of the most powerful Turbolaser batteries in the starwas eu and a LOT of them. Not to mention great shielding and a thick hull. There’s also the factor of starfighter complement, imperial star destroyer can carry a good number of imperial tie fighter and interceptors, not to mention bombers. Though the starfighters themselves may not be Good starfighters, but the skill of the average imperial pilot and the sheer number of them will be a large threat to the enterprise. Even with the enterprise more precise phasers, the speed of the average tie fighter most likely will be able to out run their fire. So though the enterprise may be able to move quickly throughout sub Sub light space, the starfighters will collect enough trouble so that they will have to focus on majority of their attention on to not getting bombed by the Thai bombers and their escorts, not to mention this whole time the imperial to start a steward will be moving into range, if it wasn’t already, and firing a majority of its batteries into the enterprise. The enterprise may have speed and more precise weapons, however its downfall is the fact that it’s a jack of all trades type of ship. It is not meant for war, the ISD is a pure bred warship meant for one thing, the complete destruction of other ships. Hell I’d go as far as to say that maybe even a Venetor class start destroyer could go head to head with the enterprise. Perhaps not win, but it would hold up a good fight. And the Venetor was simply a predecessor to the ISD
it has been shown that starships can shoot at warp speed in star trek
Yep. This video tosses away every big advantage the Enterprise would have such as warp drive and transporters.
Quite right, quantum and photon torpedoes
@@northtexan95 But can it hit a target in hyperspace?
Warp speed is for travel or running away. This is a fight
They made that technical distinction in Star Trek TMP, are the phasers limited to sub light speeds in the TNG era? I dont remember either way...
*States that the Enterprise would lose*
*Also states that the Enterprise would have the speed advantage and is probably more effective at range*
*Jackie Chan wtf JPEG*
Ah yes, speed. The only factor in a fight
I immediately thought genghis khan did what? But he sated no tactics so they just slug it out like two morons
Speed gets countered by isds shields and chipping away with laser cannons. Distance gets countered by microjumps. Simple as that.
I'd bet on 40k orks over both of them because orks the meanest and da greenist.
@@itorca WAAAGH
The fact that the Enterprise 1701 (the original series Enterprise) could do serious damage to an entire planet from orbit has already been proven in the mirror universe. In ST-TOS episode “Mirror, Mirror” the mirror Kirk threatens to destroy the Halkon civilization from orbit (and it‘s stated he’s already destroyed other civilizations on other planets in a similar manner) and mirror Spock prepares to do just that (though hopefully “our” Kirk talked him out of it) so it probably was not an empty threat.
Also I’m pretty sure Spock would notice if some smaller ship clamped to the outside of the Enterprise hiding but Han Solo got away with that quite easily with a star destroyer. Star Wars sensors suck.
YEP! Thats happened!
greed. I wish these guys would do their research before making these videos.
Why would you ever want to be a red shirt in star trek TOS everyone knows thats a death sentence, i love that satire from Galaxy Quest when guy looses it when they go down to retrieve the Beryllium sphere as he made it clear guys like him (RED SHIRTS!) always die
That's plot armor, otherwise the story wouldn't continue
Star Destroyers also have the capacity to destroy civilizations quite easily on their own through orbital bombardment, it would of course take less time if there were more destroyers to entirely sterilize a world (base delta zero) of larger and more powerful one, but a standard ISD could get the job done.
I agree with eck’s conclusion, the Enterprise is no pushover but I’d give the Destroyer the edge as it’s simply much more prepared and capable for battle as it’s in a galaxy that’s constantly at war
4:45 They definitely aren't lasers. A laser is a concentrated beam of photons, which obviously travel at the speed of light. Star wars "lasers" clearly do not.
Star Wars turbolaser/laser bolts are basically plasma contained inside an electromagnetic field. They aren't lasers at all.
Yep that's what i though a few days ago since i've been listening to a lot of Star Wars theories in the background. SW literally has people collect gas like on Bespin for use in Turbo Lasers, they literally fill containers with them, then insert them in the turrets and those turrets then fire that gas... And Plasma is just that, concentrated, energized gas.
Pretty sure they made it this way in the prequels so that it seems plausible to some extent, whilst calling the lasers... Well the originals came a long long time ago xD... Pretty sure they just called the lasers since it sounded cool and shit.
Star Wars weapons were named lasers because that was during the 70’s, when the Internet didn’t exist and sci-fi almost always used laser guns. People started calling them lasers and they couldn’t check it on Google or something, so the name stuck.
No they were lasers because that what the creators of Star Wars intended for them to be. The plasma weapon myth came into existence via the fanfiction of the EU in about 1996 or 97.And was never canon until Disney adopted it in 2014. Until that point all true Canon literature had those weapons as coherent light weapons. Lasers not plasma.
david lawrence
You’re ignoring the fact that these so-called lasers do not move at the speed of light, and are visible to the naked eye. They were never lasers in anything but name. If they were, they would be entirely invisible to the naked eye, have a cutting effect rather than explosive, and travel at relativistic speeds. The weapons fire blaster bolts, and they just don’t do that.
"The federation never fires first", that I think is one major weakness of them.
Worf " Captain sensors are telling us that the star destroyer has minimal shielding and no weapon to the rear of the ship". Picard" Mr. Data warp us out of here, then come in behind that ship." Riker, " Mr. Worf prepare a full spread of photon and quantum torpedoes. Fire!
I hate myself for knowing this, but Enterprise D didn't have quantum torpedoes. They were limited to Enterprise E, Defiant, and a few others. Other than that, I agree completely the Enterprise would, through faster speeds, better tactics, make short work of a Star Destroyer.
Oh, and for Shawn, there was an episode of Star Trek TNG where a group of small fighters without shields (like a tie fighter) were launched against Enterprise D, they had all of 2 seconds on screen before the Enterprise vaporised them.
@Shawn Pruitt yes it has artillery but it's kinetic artillery which is no match for an Enterprise Shield. The Enterprise D has a top and bottom beam array, it can hit many targets at once with pinpoint precision. 72 tie fighters would be gone in seconds. bridge shield generators on the SD would be instantly eliminated due to them being stuck out like sore thumbs. And yes the Star Wars universe uses lasers not plasma. They do use Ion cannons and those eliminate Star destroyers in one hit, particle cannons. Those may pose a threat.
@@simu31 didn't Starfleet do a total refit of the fleet post Wolf 359 in anticipation of a future Borg invasion to include quantum torpedoes?
@@joeclaridy Not that I remember. From what I understand, the Quantum torpedoes weren't available until after the Enterprise D had been destroyed, and even then were limited to certain vessels; like the Enterprise E, Defiant, etc...
With great difficulty the Enterprise would take out the star Destroyer. It has 360° weapon arrays that can fire at multiple targets simultaneously with far more accuracy than a turbo laser. Plus the fact that Picard does know a trick in which he leaves a warp double to appear like he is one place and then appear elsewhere in the same system. He did it to save the stargazer. They even crack jokes on the star trek about lasers saying that it didn't even scratch the shields therefore meaning the ship itself can hold up against lasers and drop the shields of the destroyer and basically make the ship into swiss cheese simply because of the fact that the ship has superior tech in both the defensive and offensive areas
" Your likeness will be added to our own " scans star destroyer ..detects Disney influence . backs up in absolute horror " We are so sorry let us just end your suffering " " Starwars - " THANK YOU "" Borg " Fire EVERYTHING "
It'd be like them meeting a rival predator
The Borg would not assimilate the empire because they are to technically inferior, it would not add to the Borgs perfection
@@marcmorgan7796 Skytrash aka Starwars ...7of9 with a light sabre ..your logic is flawed . this event is logical .
@@al4lve79ashcraft9 sorry magic doesnt exist in the star trek world and light sabbers cant penetrate energy fields per clone wars movie and in star trek they have personal shields per star trek tng episode a fist full of Datas
@@marcmorgan7796 uh so you never heard of Q or Kes from Voyager both would school any jedi . any science can seem like magic . lol
I hope someone already made the argument, but I'll state it anyway. ST, specifically the Galaxy-class starships vs. Imperial-class SDs, has a huge speed advantage, which in a tactical theory, is a winning strategy. The advanced sensors of a Galaxy-class, or any Fed ship, would be able to instantly identify the weakness of the SDs aft firing arc, or lack of one. Get in behind an Imperial SD and hammer away at engines and then target the command tower. Game over. Even in SW lore it was a proven strategy. SW X-wing: The Krytos Trap novel ALONE proved that.
Also you mentioned the TIE-fighters and you were right when you said they'd be completely ineffective. A combat ready and equipped Galaxy-class vessel would have combat model shuttles at minimum. Even the maximum number that ship could hold would make space dust of every Imperial fighter and then use their speed and agility to pinpoint target and destroy weapon emplacements with a single shot each. ST starships would dominate SW fleets with ease. The only advantage the Empire has is sheer numbers. And that wouldn't count for much once the ST fleets get into a battle rhythm.
Love your vids anyway. Keep on keepin' on.
Totally! The Enterprise could just swing behind the Star Destroyer and hammer away at its engines, literally disabling it.
I disagree with you when it comes to Tie-fighters. I may able to defeat a dozen of them but it won't able to handle thousands of fighters. Those Tie-fighters will do some damage to the Galaxy-class.
@@nyc1164 Thousands? How many tie fighters do you think SDs carry? I believe the agreed on number is 72 (6 squadrons of 12 ships each). I googled it and the answer came right up, but I also went to a couple forums. This number seems to work with Vader's Super SD, which had 144 tie fighters.
The Enterprise D would be able to handle 72 tie fighters.
And yes, a Galaxy Class starship that is knowingly going into battle would serve as a carrier of sorts. In the Dominion War, Starfleet, as stated in this video, utilized fighters. These fighters would be carried by Galaxy Class ships because of the sheer number of shuttle/cargo bays available on those ships.
@criuth lol
@criuth I've always found it interesting how Star Trek fans are far more capable of being fans of both franchises, while Star Wars fans, in large part, are incapable of liking Star Trek. That said, I recently converted one of these exact Star Wars fanboys into a Star Trek fan. I first showed him the Tie Fighter animated short that on RUclips. He knew I liked Star Trek and was blown away that I'd be interested in something to do with Star Wars. Then I showed him one of those "modern trailers" of The Wrath of Khan. His mouth was agape. Last I heard he is a hard core Star Trek fan. lol
So I feel compelled to throw in my 2 cents here. First of all I am a much bigger Star Wars fan than I am a Star Trek fan. I think that’s important to state as it lets you know where my bias is. That being said. I see no evidence that more advanced technology is used in the Star Wars universe than the Star Trek universe. Data is clearly more advanced than any droid in StarWars. Star Trek has holo decks, transporters, cloaking devices, time travel, and arguably better medical methods.
The Enterprise’s smaller sleeker design would make it a much more difficult target. Plus if need be it could separate into 2 sections.
Ultimately, my biggest issue with the Imperial Star Destroyers is that they seem more like intimidating looking carriers. If they are allowed to use their Tie Fighters than maybe we’d have a serious fight, but when considering just ship to ship, well.....; I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a Star Destroyer destroy another ship of any kind. Can I get a fact check on that? I believe it’s implied and assumed that they are credited for having taken out some X-Wings and Y-Wings, but do we actually know that? We do know that blasts from small fighter craft are strong enough to destroy a Star Destroyer’s deflector shields, and that once down, the impact from a small fighter craft is all it takes to penetrate and destroy a Star Destroyer’s bridge. So I think you all know where I’m going with this. Both ships come out of light speed or warp speed. They both throw up their respective shields. The Enterprise moves faster and is harder to hit and has shields that can withstand powerful blasts from other starships. The Star Destroyer is a slow moving sitting duck with 2 easy to target shield generators that can be taken down by a few concentrated fighter class blasts. The Star Destroyer has hundreds of plasma/laser cannons that as far as we know have never hit the broadside of a barn much less a moving ship. So what prevents the Enterprise from locking its phasers on the Star Destroyers 2 shield generators and popping them like darts thrown at a water balloon, and then sending 1 or 2 photon torpedos straight through the Star Destroyer’s easy to hit bridge? I realize there is likely some nuance mixed in somewhere, but isn’t this realistically how most people believe this fight would go down? It’s basically a quality versus quantity fight. The Empire just doesn’t design things that well. Change my mind.
OK black and white...
Star Trek ships would annialate star wars ships. I love both universes, but I'm confident the defiant alone could wipe them all out.
Pretty sure a run about could destroy a star destroyer or maybe the delta flyer lol
@@xanderprentice1740 yup, I was being nice with the defiant lol, probably those cadet training fighters could do it too
One on one, yes Star Trek ships would win but the imperial navy would kick the federations ass
Those tie fighters launched say different
@@shaundavidssd tie fighters can be defeated with really big rocks or trees
One thing, the Enterprise can "come about" and completely reverse heading in seconds. Star Destroyers take minutes to lumber around and reverse heading. For that I think an Enterprise has a huge maneuverability advantage over the SD. That advantage may allow the Ent to disengage and continue to attack from distance.
That's a good point. Did anyone see the remake of "The Doomsday Machine"? The Enterprise was unbelievably maneuverable!
Jean-Wesley New
Was the Ent Treebeard?
@@alanmodimages The Doomsday Machine also highlights the Enterprise's shield durability. That machine literally blows up planets with it's energy beams, and the Enterprise survived four hits from it.
@@dead.ahead_sonya.parker1 Indeed! :)
Any time Trek crews lose badly enough, somebody goes back in time and rigs the outcome. The Empire already beat them, but that timeline has been erased.
This is actually a big part of why I don't like Star Trek.
@@huntclanhunt9697 i feel you dude
Star Trek II
Time tech is always a win. And unlike the Jedi fools, Trek is not afraid to use it.
Time wasn't really used as a weapon for the most part.
It was used in the tos movie to save the whales, kinda different than used as a weapon.
In most cases they try not to change the past.
In ST Enterprise they was trying to keep the timeline as unaltered as possible.
It was the borg and an unknown alien that started the temerpal(sp) cold war.
During voyager there was an alien race that built a time weapon that was destroying civilizations left and right by removing them from time itself.
So let's not try that shall we?
I just dismantled your argument with TOS, TNG, and voy.
As to the main topic SW doesn't have a snow ball's chance on the surface of our sun in winning.
Trek
out techs
Out speeds
Out range
Over powers
Everything in SW in terms of battle.
Only thing SW has is going from point A to Point B in a straight line of a predetermined hyperspace lane.
Go outside of that lane and they could run into a planet, star, or a singularity.
Remember that was the warning he(Solo) gave luke.
Care to try again?
"data, scan their sheilds."
"Sir, it looks like the shields have a refresh rate."
"beam a torpedo to the reactor when the shields refreshes."
You made an error.
The Borg cube cut into the E's hull because it managed to adapt to the shield frequency of the Enterprise, thus completely defeating it. The Empire doesn't have that sort of tactic or adaptive technology at all.
The Enterprise's shields otherwise would stop and deflect any attacks against it. That and the D's photon torpedoes use a matter/anti-matter reaction that is VERY violent, and the Enterprise carries a f-ton of them, and can fire a massive number of them in one salvo. If properly unleashed a Galaxy Class ship will stomp anything in space, the only ship that does it better is a Sovereign Class ship.
The real weakness a Galaxy Class ship has... is those in command of it.
The Federation is a generally pacifistic interstellar nation, while the Empire... well.. it goes without saying.
The Empire will shoot first, and against such a large ship, with everything it got. Thing is that would also be the last thing it does. Because Federation captains if properly angered... will unleash hell.
Agreed... ST shields have proven time and time again to be VERY durable against energy based weapons... at least plenty of time to retaliate with antimatter photon torpedoes...
Yet a photon torpedo wouldn’t carry that much antimatter so the explosion would only be comparable to a nuke
@@somehalonerd1176 except for the fact that 1.2 kg of antimatter contain as much energy as the tsar bomb, the biggest nuke ever detonated...
And photon topedoes are pretty big...so we can assume something in the Gigaton range of explosive power
I mean, to be fair, the star wars lasers are very rarely anything resembling an actual laser. Every weapon they use seems to have the properties of magnetically contained plasma (I'm something like 90% sure the entirety of Star Wars tech besides holograms and hyperdrive can be explained by extremely advanced magnetics used in weird ways, but that's another subject) so the bit about lasers versus the Enterprise's shield is kind of moot. Better to explain its history against plasma based weaponry.
@@theendersmirk5851 lol so true! Magnetics or perhaps... forcenetics? things in space that go pew pew and you can watch stream across the sky aren't lasers!
The one giant benchmark for weapon power that I would point out for the two universes is what a hand phaser vs. a blaster pistol can do. A hand phaser can literally vaporize people or solid metal objects in less than a second, while a blaster bolt seems to have about the lethality of a large caliber bullet, something in the range of a .50 cal. The levels of power output aren't even remotely comparable. If you assume that the amount of energy that weapons in these universes can put out scales comparably to ship born weaponry then it's not even a contest, Enterprise vs. Deathstar would be closer in respective firepower.
Aetrion @ Absolutely! Primitive by Federation standards, SW Blasters. Blast tech pistols require multiple "ammunition" sources to function. Such as, a blaster battery pack, and Tibanana Gas cartridges...Where, say a Type 2 Pulse Phaser from TOS: The Wrath of Khan had a self-regenerating, internal sacrum krelleid battery...And we seen how POWERFUL it was. When "Possessed" Capt. Terrell Vaporized a science Tech. from the Genesis project...And then proceeded to Disintegrate himself...
lol. A TNG type II hand phaser will vaporize a person on setting 8. It goes up to setting 16. And the power does not scale linearly.
Geo @ "Yeah, down with the rabid, Star Waries of the clan FanOBI ! Take THAT Star Wars Fanboy base ! Washed up worse than Anakin Skywalker !" " Trekkies, set Phaser$ to level 7 3/4 ! To flambe ! We still have a lot of "Dark Space Magic" to get rid of !!!!" :-)
Gerry C No they didn't. At max setting a TNG Type II phaser can vaporizer a building.
It was only that one particular type of phaser that was banned, not vaporizing phasers in general, because that one vaporized in a slow and very painful way so it was considered cruel.
A Starfleet issue type II hand phaser has 16 power settings. The first 3 are stun only, no damage. 4 and 5 cause serious injuries, 6 and upwards are lethal, and 8 is enough to completely vaporize a person. Above that you start getting in to ridiculous amounts of damage: Vaporizing several meters thick rock walls, small unshielded vehicles and even entire buildings at setting 16. The reason they typically "only knock someone down" is because they are rarely set higher than stun, or in a war situation, 4 or 5. The Federation is a benevolent organization after all. In fact most phasers have a safety that detects when they are on board a starship and limits itself to the lower settings only.
There are plenty examples of hand pasers vaporizing plenty of stuff, including people, on TNG, DS9 and VOY.
Sorry but half impulse( quarter the speed of light ? ) would already be too fast for a manned gun to aim at let alone hit so while Star Wars has higher energy outputting weapons, star trek's speeds in normal space would far outweigh any power differences between weaponry.
Yeah it pretty much comes down to targeting technology. Star Trek has sophisticated computer targeting, capable of specifically targeting individual ship systems on an evading ship moving at extreme speeds. Star Wars tech is pretty much manual aiming. Unless the turret is manned by Vader or another force-user, I don't see them capable of reliably landing shots on any trek ship moving at combat speeds.
auxillary engines is already too fast lol
They do have sublight engines but they aren't capable of combat at those speeds so it's a moot point. Not only can Star Trek ships scan normal space while in warp, they can scan several minutes out if not further moving at warp speeds. Combine that with being able to drop out of warp at a given coordinate with near pin point accuracy, shoot and reenter warp within a second, star wars' manned guns don't stand a chance.
And yet it outperforms everything in Star Trek for accuracy, and has a higher rate of fire, as well as visible damage.
@ambosen "outperforms everything in Star Trek for accuracy"? The Tantive IV would beg to differ.
As seen in multiple episodes, the Enterprise has TACTICAL FTL - sensors mobility and weapons. Hyperspace is faster, but is only useful for strategic level movement. Unless immediately crippled, the Enterprise could fall back, and then move on the Star Destroyer 's flank and unleash photon torpedo salvos that would impact before the Imperials ever saw them coming. They rarely pull this sort of thing in the show, because if your enemy also has tactical FTL it's a wash and you're better off with more power to your shields. The Picard Maneuver is an example of this very sort of thing though. Ignoring this is the only thing that makes this matchup even seem close.
Then force them to fight in a pitched battle, bomb base delta zero their planets so they either leave them being burned or die trying to fight off them.
Weapons range in Star Wars is medium. Range in Star Trek is thousands of miles. Lasers can't get through Federation shields.
One is a war ship and the other an exploration ship xD
@01000110 ! Hyperspace is not for tactical movement unless you want to end up inside the nearest planet. Any hyperspace jump requires careful and time consuming calculations while warp is just push a button and go. Yes, once you're in hyperspace, it's far faster than warp, but that only helps with strategic distances.
@01000110 ! In short distances, it makes no difference, cause Warp Drive can also make pretty quick jumps. Deuce at that point. And there is a differnce to. The Fed.units are very maneurable. No chance to get them by this way. And one small structural gap in the imperial shields, finish the battle, once and for all...
The real question one has to ask themself is: In case of a showdown, on which ship would you rather be?
Well,...the Enterprise. Cause, if you're going to die, you might as well do it in style.
ISD a hundred times over. Enterprise would be destroyed in the first volley
Enterprise. Her captains are always more insightful and creative.
Enterprise.
@Victor Nikolai star fleet admirals dont die
Enterprise: Open hailing frequencies.
Star destroyer: I have been expecting you. *heavy breathing intensifies*
after reading the title
"ah... fanboys bait"
It's not difficult at all. Enterprise would utterly vaporize a destroyer
Even a Star Trek shuttle could actually go head to head with a TIE Fighter, as the shuttle actually has shields, and TIEs don't.
Imagine if this was the D with her two Runabouts. Those even have mini photon torpedo launchers, and near star ship shields.
No Star Destroyer I've heard of has been defeated by a frigate.... but that's how Ent-D died.
@@hoodaticus Well they had inside knowledge. And a photon torpedo is a photon torpedo
@@bobjoebo8933 USS Odyssey (Galaxy Class) was destroyed by a ramming attack by a corvette. A much bigger ship was torn to pieces by an Imperial SD as it came out of hyperspace with no apparent damage.
@@hoodaticus Oh that is what you meant. Yeah, that pretty much sucked. Their shields were down but... You're right. But wait the battle of Scarif! 2 star destroyers and the shield generator were taken down by a single hammer head frigate, which wasn't even a real warship (like the Odyssey). There is also the business with the Mon Calamari battleship Hyperspace-ramming into the Supremacy. Not a frigate, but it's relative size is about that. But yes, the the Odyssey was taken down easily
@@bobjoebo8933 the Dominion cheated, so yeah.
Data is more advanced than any droid in Star Wars canon.
But you have to consider there is only one Data...
@@fakenut6180 B4 and Lore.
I 100% agree
Star trek Picard has proven there is mor like data
Babu frek would have data dismantled and turned into a toaster. With more personality lol. Friendly jab . Is all.
How about a match up between the sw destroyers and the Winnebago from Spaceballs? My money is on the Winnebago.
Tribbles!!!!!??? Heck, let's have some fun and beam over the Klingon sisters with batleths after a couple of gallons of blood-wine!!! But not Worf… Worf gets knocked down too much :(
These fuckers got whooshed
well in terms of infantery combat:
phaser vs blaster is simple question
phasers can disintegrate person while blaster only do moderate damage
so i guess that star trek technology is more advanced
I mean a Phaser could disintegrate a lightsaber
"moderate damage" he says
Meanwhile Clone Troopers wearing full armor get one shotted
@@itsyvonblitz6819 yeah but still
Look at tissue damage
Phasers can anihilate anything
While blasters seem to be just little more effective than normal guns
@@petrsukenik9266 They can still kill, you're underestimating blasters.
@@itsyvonblitz6819 yes but there is e difference between "creats a hole" and "evaporate you"
The Enterprise hands down as the Star Destroyers have repeatedly demonstrated their total inability to hit the broad side of a barn.
tom lathrop - Then explain the opening battle in A New Hope....
BrooklynRedLeg the empire was not trying to destroy the tantive IV they were trying to board the ship as shown in the movie
@@hotmeatchikenbro5565 Jalen kabemba - And yet they were able to repeatedly hit a fleeing starship to the point its shields collapsed and shut down the main reactor (instead of blowing it up). Thus the Empire is most certainly capable of targeting and hitting the Enterprise....
Data: An extremely large starship just dropped out of warp.
Captain: On screen.
Worf: They are powering up their weapons.
Captain: Raise shields!
Worf: They are firing. Shields are holding.
Captain: Are there any weaknesses?
Data: Their shield generators are exposed.
Riker: I suggest a photon torpedo spread aimed for their shield generators.
Captain: Make it so.
Data: Their shields are down.
Captain: Hail them.
Data: No response.
Captain: Fire at will!
And that’s about how it would go from the Enterprise’s perspective.
Meanwhile on the star destroyer.
Captain: We have located a tiny ship. Should be easy work for us.
Vader: Shoot them, make them beg for mercy.
Captain: Yes my lord.
Vader: Why isn’t it working??
Captain: My lord, it seems they have activated some kind of shield.
Vader: We have shields too, why are we losing?
Captain: They have disarmed our shields, my lord.
Vader: God damn this tiny vessel!
And that’s how it would have gone from the Star Destroyer’s perspective.
Conclusion: Your logic makes no sense. Star Trek is too technologically advanced in the 24th century than whenever Star Wars took place. They’re still struggling to get food and water on some planets. The Federation has more pressing matters, like the Borg, (which by the way would annihilate a Star Destroyer, but would still be an interesting video to watch.)
Mini Films Central eh
also just a few standard photon or quantum torpedos can damage a planets surface to an extent where its uninhabitable
The Borg would not annihilate, they would assimilate.
Nailed it.
Star Destroyer would launch all it's fighters and with that firepower weaken Enterprises shields so Vader and 501st could board where no-one would stand a chance.. Enterprise D (being a scientific and exploration vessel with children on board) against battle hardened soldiers and a Sith Lord.... Picard would surrender when Anakin carved up a few kids again...
"Meanwhile 40k in the background chewing popcorn" :its adorable and All but you all get bodied
WH40K is overrated trash.
It can't go faster than light without going nuts.
Also trek has the torpedo that can wipe out every world in wh40k in one shot and reformat it.
They have no defense against a weapon traveling at warp.
ST and SW would both be able to crush wh40k with no problem.
@@valor1omega they can win against the Imperium of Man no arguments there given that well ehen they are hardly a stable empire to begin with.
But there are Necrons(who have ancient technologies that can wipe worlds and even close the eye of terror)
The Tau who are 1 of the most advanced techno races in the galaxy
Eldars who are a broken race with hit and Run ships fast traveling and using fire power and speed to kill their enemies
I wont even mention the endless number of the Tyranids and massive sizes+ adaptability
Also most races in Wk40 also hold planet wiping technoligies including the Inperium
From star trek universe there is the Borg who can stand a chance
@@darkwhispersstories47 if your using 24th century then only the borg can stand a chance due to their sheer size and ruthlessness, SW would be able to wipe them out tho due to the number of ships as well as centralization(its a big machine but once it starts moving, pretty much impossible to stop it). However you take later iterations of ST, wh40k simply would be unable to maintain against such an assault(technically ST if it went completely war-crazy would be the most powerful with weapons such as Trillithium weapons, which would be able to stop all nuclear fusion in a star causing an instant supernova, and if we include non-canon shit then transphasic torpedos would probably dispatch whatever was left), this is the main reason most battles with star trek occur in the 24th century(ships are much smaller compared to other universes however much more maneuverable, better shielding/sensors, and more equipped for general exploration) as otherwise there is no real fight(as then sizes of general star ships match other universes as do numbers, the ships are nearly indestructible(ablative hull), and op weapons)
@@Strangeship1997
Exactly
If trek went the path of Star wars but with advance technology instead of of the silly space magic they use in SW, trek would be frightening.
They prefer exploration above all else but attack them the they can and do quickly gear up for war that would make a warmonger envious.
@@darkwhispersstories47 ......Well how about the two IPs against Chaos Gods?
Something most people seem to be forgetting is weapon range! I am not an expert, but after doing a little research it seems that the Turbolasers have a max range of about 6,000km while photon torpedos have hit small objects at 90,000km and some sources even say they have a max range of 1 billion km. And that does not seem like a fair match to me.
Also: 4 years late to the party just like I always am in rl!
Yep, finally someone who gets it.
Also: 1 year late to the party just like I always am in rl!
Distance is irrelevant, considering that Star Destroyers always drop out of hyperspace at point blank range.
It was mentioned, but there is hardly any canon source for that. You'll also find higher numbers and numbers with ridiculously high weapon yield (Gigaton to Terraton Range with a single shot).
In the cross section to rots. There the range of a venator class star destroyer was mentioned to be 10 light minutes.
The technologies are laid out and can somewhat be compared, via their manuals. The shielding in the ST universe would likely absorb the SW weapons. The ST universe also has a range and aiming advantage, while the capital ships are far more maneuverable in the ST universe. ST is OP as compared with SW. You have to keep in mind that the SW universe ships are role based, thusly the fighters. The ST ships are multi-role units and need to be able to hold up in war.
The thing is, each of those photon torpedoes is carrying a chunk of antimatter the size of a human torso. Considering that a piece of antimatter the size of my finger has more destructive power than a dozen of our most powerful nukes, imagine a Star Destroyer trying to fend off dozens of these things all at once.
You’re just plain wrong in your caculations
@@somehalonerd1176 Our best nuclear device has a 0.7% mass>energy conversion. Antimatter has 100% mass>energy conversion.
Which means any antimatter warhead is *at minimum* 143 times more powerful than a nuclear device of equivalent mass.
Photon torpedoes are capable of carrying an entire human body while still retaining engines and guidance systems. Even if someone argues that a torpedo turned into a coffin would have most of its support systems removed, the antimatter containment would still be *at least* the size of a human torso. Which would put the explosion (using extremely rough napkin calculation) somewhere above the 4000 megaton range. Which means a single photon torpedo is a planet-killer; it probably won't shatter the planet but it is going to kill everything on the surface.
Forget Warhammer 40K. In Star Trek, common space battles are slinging Exterminatus-level firepower as a standard attack.
And remember that a proton torpedo at the size of a regular-sized bucket has destroyed an entire space station with 160 kilometers
@@lucasoreidopunho3556 Well, that was due to taking out the ventilation shaft of a power source capable of destroying a planet. It was less the torpedo destroying the Death Star and more the Death Star destroying the Death Star.
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The Enterprise would simply get on the ass end of the star destroyer and shoot its engines all to help. After that they would just carve it up. The Klingons taught the Federation to weaponize the ship's 6 o'clock.
@01000110 ! Nah, they can survive in a star's corona with multiphasic shielding
One quote from the first movie (ep IV)... "It would take a 1000 star destroyers with more fire power..." That said to blow up a planet.... Quote from Star Trek, episode where the planet were romans with enterprise A.... "I hear you don't have to come down, you can destroy the planet from orbit"... These are paraphases not quotes, but still thoes things were said... so not sure you did alot of research on this with the actual shows.
There isn't any reason to suggest that the Borg's cutting beam is a plasma based weapon. In ST: Enterprise it was referred to as a "Particle Beam" which could mean that it's either a disruptor phaser or laser weapon. Given that all plasma based weapons should be able to be blocked by the shields (as the ship needs to be able to safely traverse through dangerous environments, such as plasma storms). Therefore, all we can really say is that it definitely isn't a laser weapon, similar to those in Star Wars, and it might be a phaser or disruptor or something else. It might even be similar to a subatomic disruptor which was seen in Voyager on a 29th century starship, but the Borg may not have been advanced enough to produce those. Therefore, the Borg cutting the Enterprise's hull shouldn't be used as proof that not all laser weapons are ineffective against Federation shields. Furthermore, there are at least a few canon sources stating that lasers in Star Wars are superheated plasma. Also, Data is far smarter than IG-88.
YES this video is pretty much haha I didn't do any research on Star Trek and I love Star Wars
Also, on next gen, The Borg were seen as a species far ahead to that of Star Fleet. The cutting beam was an example of the tecnological difference between them. So much that the cube could cut through the most advance ship starfleet had at the time and for the same reason was that the cutting beam was left unspecified.
Now, here he is using it as proof that the sar destroyer can damage a Galaxy class when he also stated that it would only "slightly" be ahead technologically.
Plus let's remember that the Borg cutting beam *only* works *after* the target ship's shields have been brought down first. So, since lasers won't do a thing to Starfleet shields, they'd never get to even try to cut through the hull.
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R2 will beat out data
Enterprice D's deflector system (the orange thingy in the front) is capatible to destroy entire planets if it uses full power from warp core.
The only time they used it in combat, the enemy was not damaged. Wasn't even scratched.
@@hoodaticus
Yes because they are going up against an enemy of equal technical capabilities in certain areas.
Transporter systems alone would cause problems that a SD could not handle or overcome. The resources on the likes of the enterprise are far beyond anything an SD has. Replicator technology on the enterprise would cause massive problems for the Star destroyer.
@@bighands69 problem is beaming people aboard another ship you can only do about 6 people at time
Then you confronted with thousands train troops have had many battles with better soldiers
@@knightveg All youd need to do is beam some preset spacial charges into critical areas like engineering and the magazines...
The star destroyer: Fires full weapons
Picard: Yawns, says "beam a photon torpedo on their bridge"
i remember it being established in an episode of star trek the next generation. the enterprise came across a species with laser based weapons. the enterprise's tritanium hull skin actually reflected enough energy away from the bolts that they didn't even bother to raise their shields.
The weapons in star wars are not lasers. Look up how weapons work in star wars first
@@metalavenger23 I have a book from 2006 that would say otherwise
That’s just lasers. Phasers are lasers. The laser beam is used a transportation device to send photons to the target. It’s good for space technology because once you shut it off it stops moving. It’s the same reason in Star Wars universe why their blasters disintegrate after a distant. You don’t want a weaponized object to keep in moving throughout the galaxy. But lasers by themselves wouldn’t harm any reflective material. It’s how you use the lasers that count. In Star Trek it’s probably the computer that’s measuring the distance so the phasers don’t bounce off. Or maybe they’ve perfected the beam so the photons exploding disrupts it so it can’t bounce off.
@@danielr.golightly38 um ... phasers are explicitly said to NOT be lasers.
@@rdmrdm2659 The beam it uses is technically a laser. The weapon itself is a photon particle beam. The laser is just what transmits it to the location. Like your blue laser in your blue-ray transmits the data.
One Enterprise D would make short work of an entire fleet of laser shooting star destroyers LMAO
I think your assessment of technology and the impact it would have on combat is indeed somewhat off-base. I agree with your assessment that Star Wars lasers are not lasers, they are some form of pulsing particle cannon. However, nowhere can you see any of their Star Destroyer weapons having anywhere near the range and power of Star Fleet Phasers.
There are multiple shots of point defenses of the Enterprise picking off Jem H'dar fighters, basically just swatting them. Unlike a Star Destroyer, the Enterprises's shields would still work against fighters that are too close.
Hyperspace vs warp drive isn't a comparison of technology, it's a comparison of universes. Warp drive is far more powerful tactically, since it is far faster to enter and exit then hyperspace, which requires calculation time, and has major problems around gravity wells. You still fly and maneuver while in warp. The Picard maneuver alone will give fits to any Star Wars vessel, as being able to go into and out of FTL is devastating from a maneuvering standpoint. Star Fleet could basically run, strike, flee, and flank at will against Star Destroyers.
If hyperdrive functioned, Star Fleet's far superior sensors would pick it up very quickly, or they'd salvage it off a vessel they defeated, and Star Fleet would have it within weeks, if not quicker. With their vastly superior sensor arrays, charting hyperdrive paths could literally be done on the fly, instead of through real-space scouting and tracking of gravity fields.
Scale is not technology. Star Wars literally concerns a united galaxy with zillions of inhabitable planets. Star Trek is about a fraction of the galaxy with far fewer inhabited worlds.
Your point about energy sources is... somewhat off. Yeah, if they build something the size of a moon, they can pop a planet. That's a matter of resources and scale, not really tech, and certainly doesn't apply to a Star Destroyer. The Star Trek universe has Dyson Spheres, Satellites that can form energy fields the size of Earth's orbit (first movie), and Genesis bombs that can turn the entire blasted remains of a star into an inhabitable planet (and the Federation still has the tech).
As for the Force... Star Trek has psi-users of great power, the problem is that they have been the antagonists, not members of the crew. The Organian Peace Treaty was a real thing, a race literally froze the entirety of the Klingon and Federation fleets in the middle of a war, and imposed the Klingon Neutral Zone on them! The history of the Romulans notes a planet of mind-eaters preying on their ships during the exodus from Vulcan. The Enterprise ran into former Greek Gods and other immortal creatures that could alter reality, and let's not even get into the Q continuum.
Again, this is a function of the rules of the universes they live in. If the Force does not exist in the universe of Star Trek, Jedi are just people there. If the Force responds to all psi-users, just how powerful are Vulcans and Betazoids there? We don't know, because these questions have no answers.
Nowhere in the Star Wars universe are Star Destroyers displayed with true long range firepower. Their missile tech, a must for space combat, is quite poor. Their point defenses and sensor abilities are feeble in comparison. Their combat maneuverability and speed is far, far too slow.
Yes, I will agree that the hundreds of Star Destroyer cannons may equal the full power of the Enterprise's guns. Know what that tells us? That the Enterprise has much, much bigger guns! It will take hundreds of sustained shots to get through the shields of a ship far away, faster and more maneuverable. In return, massively more powerful return salvos are going to be slamming into the Star Destroyer with precision from a greater distance.
A single Star Destroyer is doomed.
As for sensors and Destroyers... its been shown multiple times in Star Trek that knowing your enemies shield harmonics lets you punch right through them. Yeah, the Enterprise could read a SD's shields and do just that with their superior sensor tech. I will totally waive the transporter technology thing, although it makes for an incredible sneak attack, and if effective, the enemy will literally have no idea how it was done. Combined with cloaking, it would definitely be horrible.
Now, could the Federation defeat the Galactic Empire? That's a difference of scale. You're talking hundreds of ships of the Empire versus one of the Federation. In a battle of attrition, the Empire would win simply because the Federation couldn't whelm enough numbers to protect their planets. I believe the Federation would win all the solo battles, but simply lose the war to the numbers of their foes.
And it's note worthy to say, if you combine the cloaking and transporter tech trick, Star Fleet would probably win THAT battle, too, one photon warhead at a time to the enemy's reactor core.
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In Summation, even if you assume relatively equal shields and total firepower output, the Enterprise wins on range, damage per shot, accuracy, tactical speed, sensor ability, adaptability and simply blows them away on maneuverability. The Empire literally has no chance here.
From a math standpoint, its the Enterprise using 10 shots at 10 power with 100% accuracy, while the SD is using 100 shots at 1 power at, what, 10% or less accuracy, at that range? Anything below 100% means the Enterprise will win.
This isn't a battleship fight with two powers going at it with broadsides. The Enterprise will pick the angle of attack that minimizes the firepower coming off the Destroyer, can stay there with small warp shifts regardless of how the Destroyer maneuvers, and will simply slam through the Destroyer's shields with higher burst impacts that hit their target every time, unlike the partial fusillades coming off the Destroyer.
Enterprise would win the duel. Federation vs Empire, that's a different story, and depends massively on rules calls of the fight. Where it takes place; warp vs hyperspace possible, and how fast the Federation would acquire that tech once they saw it in action; and very tellingly, the whole shields vs transporter tech thing, which could stop the Empire right in its tracks.
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All it would take is a single Defiant or Multi-Vector Escort to destroy an entire fleet of Star Destroyers. Keep in mind that the Galaxy class ship was a diplomatic/Science/Medical relief ship mainly and had almost no weaponry. The defiant was faster and more maneuverable than the X-Wing fighters and packed shielding equivalent to the galaxy class, while vastly outgunning them since they didn't have all the secondary systems to power.
It wasn't until thw sovereign class ship that the main capital ships of the star trek universe really had war capabilities focused on.
Galaxy class is a multi purpose starship with ability to be able to change its internal layout depending on circumstances, whether for science or combat, this means it can remove secondary systems if not needed or add if needed.
The Sovereign was designed to easier ship to build when compared to the more complex and costly design of the Galaxy class.
Eh. A Nebula Class starship engaged and destroyed a Cardassian warship (presumably Galor class) at somewhere around 300,000km with a single volley of photon torpedoes that hit in roughly 2-3s. Her firepower was roughly equivalent of the Enterprise in a smaller, less friendlier package.. given that ISDs routinely engage in conflicts much much closer, it doesn’t matter how powerful their turbolasers are. If your range is measured in tens or hundreds of kilometres, you’re effectively defenceless against an enemy who’s range is measured in hundreds of thousands of kilometres and can hit you before you even react.
@@dillionedmonds5736 Plus, if the Empire was deemed enough of a threat then the ships would get the ability to use cloaking technology. The primary reason the Federation doesn't have cloaking technology is because of treaties between the stable powers of the Alpha quadrant, but they're willing to cooperate to preserve their mutual interests.
@@dillionedmonds5736 the Galaxy class certainly did not have "almost no weapons" in fact it is shown to be equal if not more powerful than a Defiant class vessel. It is just much larger so is less powerful for it's size. Still more than a match for an ISD
Data could just plot a course at warp 8 where the Enterprise “appears” out of nowhere, launches a torpedo salvo, pops up over here does the same, pops up of there, again and again and again. How does the SSD defend against hundreds of photon torpedoes simultaneously coming from all directions, from an enemy they can’t see?
Game over
The enterprise dose not have hundreds of thoughs
The Enterprise doesn't have 100s of torps, but the back of a Star Destroyer is uncovered and Trek is all about their scans and work arounds. Identifying their enemy's strengths & weaknesses relative to their own is almost immediate for Trek, but a nightmare for Wars.
They just have to immobilize them and then concentrate their Phasers on the rear long enough.
The TIEs wouldn't even be a problem. Their shields would neutralize such small wpns and they'd be able to splat them by ramming their shield into them.
Warp also means Trek is free to engage, disengage, and resupply at will.
The replicator also gives them effectly infinite food & water supplies while Destroyer crews need to resupply regularly for their massive crew compliments.
Its known as the Picard maneuver, its been done before so its cannon and a verified tactical strategy that works
@@marcmorgan7796 a version of the Picard maneuver was also done by Capt. Lorca, aboard the Discovery, against the Klingon Cleave Ship with the Spore drive 100+ years before before the Battle of Maxia, so it is doubly in the canon. Though Stamets almost died pulling off so many consecutive jumps.
I’m a huge Star Wars fan but I totally disagree. I think the enterprise would make quick work of a star destroyer. But thank you for the video
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How exactly? The devil (or the Sith Lord) is in the details!
6:35 There is precedence for planetary destruction via Star Destroyers. There's a level in Rogue Squadron 3 where a entire city is wiped out via orbital bombardment from a Star Destroyer. Also you could argue the destruction of Taris from KOTOR while not an Imperial SD, there was 3,000 years of technological improvement, so high odds an Imp SD could destroy a planet in a reasonable amount of time.
4:40 I'm fairly certain it is established Star Wars weapons are plasma based as well as they do require tabana gas to create their energetic bolts. "Laser" is just a common place term that, while incorrect, is understood by people in that universe. For instance Anakin calls Qui-gon's lightsaber as "laser sword" even though it's established they are plasma. Or in the real world people use "clips" when they mean "magazines"
Considering the example you gave about the Romulan attack on a planet during the Dominion War. Given that the Romulans did inflict major damage to said planet, remember the the Enterprise of the Mirror Universe had the capability to destroy a planet with its weaponry as well. Also in TNG series the Enterprise could and did use its Phasers to pacify a highly seismic planet when Data established contact with a pre-warp culture on the verge of being wiped out by their own planet.
I just go by what's on screen. On one side it takes a weapon the size of a small moon to destroy a planet while on the other side it takes a regular sized torpedo, albeit highly specialized, to destroy a star and all it's accompanying planets. Which one sounds more advanced to you?
If it's not said on screen or shown on screen it doesn't count because you can make any numbers up you want afterward.
Well, in real physics the only thing that can destroy a star is another star or a black hole. Some piddly little torpedo would probably be atomized by the corona before even penetrating the star itself. And remember: stars are mindbogglingly enormous. To put that in perspective our sun could consume the entire solar system (in normal matter not anti-matter) and it wouldn't even notice. Throw enough anti-matter into the sun and you will make a big explosion but you would need a LOT of anti-matter.
"Well, in real physics the only thing that can destroy a star is another star or a black hole."
Well, no, there's no law of physics that says that. What you do need is a large amount of energy, but guess what: there's a large amount of energy stored in the star itself. You only need to harness it. Find a way to turn off the nuclear reactions in the core, the outer layers fall in, and the resulting rebound will release enough energy to take the star apart in an artificially induced supernova. As long as we're in bullshit scifi territory, it's clearly doable.
Pretty sure the Death Star and the Sun Crusher are both from Star Wars
I think isodoublet was referring to Trek's trilithium missiles and explosives, which destroy stars and planetary systems. Also, the Sun Crusher is currently outside the official Star Wars canon.
@@Acrosurge The trilithium missile from Generations is where my head went to. But that moment also highlights a HUGE problem with physics in the Star Trek universe.
LOL, this again. Sigh. No comparison, star fleet wins. Most Imperial weapons have to be in some kind of visual range to operate. The Enterprise can see you instantaneously at a parsec (3.26 light years) and has a torpedo that can be fired at that distance with it's own AI that can out smart any imperial commander. Lord forbid that a cloaking device gets mounted on the torpedo, then the imperials wont even know it's coming until they are breathing hard vacuum. No amount of shielding will help; no amount of fighter support would even be relevant. Hands down, no contest, the empire is toast. LOL.
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Don’t forget star destroyers can’t deflect Matter so cloaked or not the torpedo would destroy that Star Destroyer
We do see in many areas Star Wars tech is miles ahead of Star Trek, it would take the enterprise 60 years to get across the galaxy. Star Wars ships can do it in days to weeks. Also Star wars weapons are not range limited, though we often see them fight at point blank for cinematic flair, in one of the novels some of the missed shots from star destroyers kept going and hit planets in other parts of the galaxy. Finally, Star wars ships also have proton torpedos and Ion canons, federation ships are particularly vulnerable to ion beams/ion canons, which star destroyers have dozens of.
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor mind you if we're talking extended canon then surely we can add the spore drive from STD and transwarp capability. I would also throw in the anti-borg ablative armour generator and transphasic torpedoes into the mix if we're talking time travel :-)
It's apples and oranges, but I think that the ENT's weapons are vastly more powered than suggested: Blowing through the crusts of planets, torpedoes with yields equivalent to multiple-megaton nuclear weapons, and finally the transporters -- if the Enterprise can get the ISD's shields down the fight is simply over by beaming torpedoes aboard or beaming the ISD's crew and key components into space en masse.
Not just multi megaton, multi gigaton at the minimum.
@@captaingeneraltrajann509 Turbolasers are also in the range of multi gigaton, or even teraton
@@TiagoDdA S3 E21 the die is cast of DS9 indicates phaser and photon torp equivalents are in the hundreds of Teratons to Petatons. Ive never seen turbolasers having any feats in that range.
another factor not mentioned would be the swarms of Ties being deployed which may not be effective against the Enterprise's shields but would add a lot more targets to be tracked and dealt with
And which isd it was. The Chimera was equipped with defenders which were the best star fighters in the galaxy
They are nothing but annoying mosquitoes to a galaxy class ship. They couldn't penetrate the shields.
@@kipp1231how do you know it? Tie bombers are made to destroy capital ships how much do you think enterprise could resist against all that fier power, in star wars fighters are made to stop the bombers, its literally a warship against an explorer ship.
The Enterprise Has multi phasic target lock. ruclips.net/video/DsetglZt0s8/видео.html This clip literally shows the Enterprise D destroying Several fighter like drones with minimum shields within 6 seconds. Tie Fighters have zero shields. they could destroy an Entire Tie fighter compliment within 3mins.
@@nuperaa6617 because naming convention does not reflect its capabilities. Like imagine a ww2 Iowa battleship fight off a modern frigate, on paper the higher rank would win but we all knew one programed torpedo under the belly of it would easily sink it.\
Aside from hyperspace, Star Trek has technologically superior weapons, shields, and navigation intel tech.
Picard:
"OH, I don't have time for this bullshit...
Worf, transport one photon torpedo warhead to the main bridge of that vessel, and set detonation to go off immediately when it materializes on board that craft"
"Data, continue with the original heading".
The
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But first they have to Re-modulate the Transporter lol
@@captain3186 Probably 😆
I think you're wrong but made an honest try. the reason I say this is enterprise speed agility and range we know star destroyers are slow and the cannons have a specific range like in next to last movie in star wars they had to wait and destroy the rebels ships as they ran out of fuel. which is another factor. star destroyers run on fuel and the enterprise runs on dilithium crystal and matter, antimatter or whatever the warp core is. the first time the enterprise runs into romulans they quickly learned that the romulans had a more powerful weapon but was limited by range. Kirk stayed out of the range of the romulans and fired from a distance eventually destroyed the romulans ship. I think the same would happen to the star destroyer. it's kinda like like comparing the enterprise to a sniper and the star destroyer to a guy with 2 44 magnum revolvers. just my opinion
- those are a different line of star destroyers, which should be evident by the completely different design
- honestly thats the only time fuel has been brought up i dont think fuel is a real star wars problem lmao but youre right
Yeah and the enterprise just has to beam a photon torpedo onto the bridge and boom.
@@Jonesy1701 nice you did not watch! He video
@Captain Yankee No, I did watch! He video actually. And all the Enterprise has to do is beam a photon torpedo onto the bridge after it takes down the ISD’s puny shields. While staying out of range and speeding circles around the ISD.
@@Jonesy1701 the isd sheilds are not puny and the enterprise would have to lower it's sheilds to
Phaser arrays seem able to apply constant damage and have no travel time as opposed to Star Wars laser weapons. So for me, Star Trek gets the edge. Also, the photon torpedo is more powerful than anything a star destroyer can muster; it causes massive antimatter explosions.
The planet ending weapons are also interesting. The Star Wars universe needs a platform the size of the Death Star to blow up planets. The Star Trek universe needs the right torpedo
Star destroyer in episode 9: i'm not sure about that
@@notouki6364 we don’t talk about the new trilogy.
Star Wars fighters have proton torpedos and I’m pretty sure those are the same thing or maybe not
@@eternalhowl8895 no, they arn't it's like comparing an RPG to a cruise missile
@Hunter Kincaid. I think THAT goes for both series, honestly.
Eckharts what have u done this comment section is just pure hatred
I am Q *snaps fingers*
The Star Destoryer goes away in the delta quadrant and is assimilated by the borg :0
nah....like the Kazon, the borg would reject the Empire.
Borg: lower your shields
*realizes owned by Disney*
We are so sorry let us end your suffering
Empire: Thank you!!
Darth Locutus?
The Borg wouldn't see the point in assimilating them since their tech is shit compared to theirs, they'd just take em out.
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Picard: "Data, transport all of their bridge crew into our brig."
Data: "Aye sir."
Lord Proteus lmao, directly to the matter-antimatter chamber
lol ... yeah! :-)
Data: "Our transporters are unable to get a lock, sir. They appear to have...shields!" :|
Picard: "Ok, Data. Maximum Power to the Deflector Array." (According to Trek Tech, that gives the Enterprise a density similar to matter inside of a neutron star).
Data: "Power Diverted, Captain"
Picard: "Set a course straight through that ship and engage at Warp 1!"
...and the Star Destroyer is ripped apart like tin foil hit by a meteor, and Enterprise probably not having a dent in the hull...
Data: "Yes, sir."
Riker: "Captain, how do we plan on destroying them? All we've got at the moment is a giant layer of Bubble Wrap around us."