A couple friends just got this Canyon model and love them. I’m thinking about replacing my 5yo Trek Domane SL6 but wanted to know more about the bike. Your review is by far the most informative, unbiased and mature approach out there. Thanks!
The bottle cages are for the proprietary Canyon water bottles. They work great with those, but I've read numerous reviews where the cages fail to securely hold any other bottle. As always, great and honest review, Ben. I've now established to watch your videos first and then transition over to the other youtubers. This puts their reviews into perspective 👍
Proprietary water bottles? Ooph. I didn't realize that, but that's just dumb. Thanks for the correction. Glad you like my reviews. I don't know if they're always great, but they're always honest! Cheers.
Just found this channel when searching for reviews of the new Endurace. I like your approach. Thanks. Your point about proprietary parts is important. I have the 2020 Endurace. I do most maintenance myself but I recently needed to get headset bearings replaced at my local bike shop. Because they are non-standard I had to order them from Canyon’s supplier in Germany. Fairly straightforward for me because I live in the EU but it could be slower and more expensive for people in the US.
the disassemble-ble handlebar is great... this bike can go in a box, and on a plane. Love that solution - big big plus for canyon over the competition.
Or just route your cables outside... Oh wait you can't since they removed the cable holes. A solution to a problem that should not exist and people like you praise like it's the next big thing. Bruuuh
That top tube cover looks about as durable as the battery cover on my roku remote control. It may last a few months or so. Definitely will break and will likely be a common thing mentioned when looking for a used version of this bike. “Bike is in great shape” “but top tube cover doesn’t lock into place any more”
This bike was high on my list for a new bike, but the press fit bottom bracket* and handlebar/stem combo made it a no go for me. The shopping experience had me so frustrated that I ordered a titanium frame with EXTERNAL routing. I'm just so tired that everyday bikes have to look like those in the pro peloton. *Finally, a lot manufacturers realized threaded bottom brackets are the only way to go & have gone back or to either T47 or BSA!
Good choice, titanium frame with everything external and get to training, 10-14 hours of zone 2 and cut out the youtube cycling channel watching. Get “non stop” seat time.
I agree 100%. I’m old enough not to be too concerned what people think. If I invest in a new bike I want to be able to do most of the work on it myself.
I bought the canyon endurance and love the super comfy ride. Before I rode othe brands and models, had often neck pain. But with this special endurance line….just lovin it.
I bought my cf 8 LTD last year, I managed to get a bike that fit me like a glove. I did measurements to compare with the bikes I already owned. My experienced with bringing it into bike shops has been nothing but positive. Bought a new saddle from a specialized owned bike shop after getting my sit bones measured by an employee, and had an inner tube replaced from my local trek store. The trek employee was super friendly and gave me good advice on how to avoid blowing out inner tubes for future rides. As for bottle I got fidlock bottles, no need to worry about bottles and cages being incompatible or difficult to access during rides.
Great review of this bike, sir. I just bought the CF SLX 8 Ultegra 12 Di2 Aero w/ 11x34 in back and 52x36 (perfecto) in front. DT Swiss ERC 1400. This superb, stealthy bad-ass makes me want to ride fast and stay in shape. The bike is plus with the 30F / 32R Conti 5k's, but surprisingly responsive to pedal mashing. Still have the headset risers on, and learned a horrifying lesson. Passing 40 mph on a silk-smooth descent, this bike was like a knife. However, as I passed 45mph in the drops, maybe because I was not as forward as on a race bike, I got speed wobbles that just about put me over the front, even with the typical recovery methods. Big lesson here is that, descending on this (wonderful) endurance machine, my weight was too far back, and I almost ate pavement at 45mph. Not blaming the bike, it was me the rider. The bike is /////////superb!
I have a 2017 Canyon CFSL 8 Ultegra DI2. It is and has been perfect since the day it got delivered,the only thing i have changed is the DT Swiss wheels for Hunt 40mm carbon and Vittoria tan wall tyres. If you want one,buy it. You will not be disappointed
The geometry looks like a great fit for me. I like a taller stack and a longer reach…..short legs, arms, and a longer torso. I can’t understand, though, why a consumer direct brand would have integrated cockpits on an endurance bike. It makes swapping stem lengths very difficult and is probably enough to keep me from buying it. The bar width adjustment is a nice feature, but not nearly as important as the stem. Plus, that adjustment of width makes me a bit nervous.
You can also buy the Endurace CF 8 Disc that has a adjustable cockpit for $2499. You then have money for a wheel upgrade and top tube bolts for a storage bag instead of the trap door.
That must be the old/current Endurace, eh? The pricelist I was sent just has 5 North American bikes, with the 12spd Ultegra Di2 being the least expensive, and all having the integrated/adjustable cockpit.
taking a chance and ordered mine today. Coming from a Roubaix (Future Shock 1.0) and my dedicated gravel whip is a Salsa Warbird I hope this fits the bill since I do prefer a shorter reach and higher stack anyway. Thanks for the honest review!
They could have done it, but they missed. I’d rather have a domane, it might not have a power meter and cost more, but you can change stem length (and without recabling), it has t47, and a down tube is a better place for storage and it has a top tube mount. I do like the trail number on this though.
Top Tube storage just means that we get no top tube bolts to mount a top tube bag which I would like to have instead. I can see where they are going with try to add frame storage compared to the likes of Domane and Roubaix but this just takes an L since it does have top tube bolts to complement it. With the addition of whatever the heck is going on with the handlebar it is just too complex to be a good get on and ride endurance bike.
Rather than spend R & D $ and incur incremental manufacturing costs to "develop" the tool compartment, Canyon should have invested in improving their order and supply chain process to enable customers to choose the bar length (or crank length for that matter). Given a choice I prefer traditional bar/stem to allow for changes and adjustments. Threaded BB would have been nice as well!
This might be my perfect next bike. Comfortable geometry suitable for an inflexible mortal like me, aero features, and great tire clearance. I'd put some gravel tires on the stock wheels and the GP5000s on some deep wheels.
Thanks for this video, I am buying my first Canyon Endurace cf7. It is due for delivery early February 24, looking forward to it. Great content and very informative, so thanks again from a wet UK.
Generally a good bicycle with a major BUT. Those who ride for endurance would also appreciate the option to attach fenders. With the Ultimate/Aeroad, I don't need that, but here I would really like protection from the elements. The next point is the cockpit. Not a bad concept or design in general, but since the bike has become even shorter, I am certain that many would benefit from an adjustment in stem length. However, since these cockpits are not sold separately or you can't choose the length at purchase, this bike is only for those who are either very flexible in this aspect or know for sure that this geometry and stem length work for them. And then there's the price. With the previous model, there was still a version with a 'normal' stem/handlebar/seatpost for about 800-1000€ less. This price range (2000-3000€) is probably the most interesting for most people and, at least at the moment (maybe a 'cheaper' carbon frame' will come), it's not being served. Given the economic situation, this is somehow incomprehensible. If an aluminum frame is supposed to fill this gap, most customers then turn to Cube because here the price/performance ratio is even more distorted (carbon frame, 105Di2 for 2500€)
Not sure what it’s like in US but in Poland where I live, Canyon have more and more authorised centres where you can service your Canyon bike. I’ve got one quite close to where I live so I’m adding Canyon to my short list👍 Nice review 👌
Will Canyon go to threaded bottom brackets at any point? Hate seeing pressfit on a bike like this. I also am not impressed by the top tube storage. My Domane uses the downtube for storage which allows me to not only have a multi tool attached to the door of the storage but the internal roll can hold CO2, levers, an inflator and a tube. The size of the storage compartment can also allow a small pump if one chooses (I don't) and some additional snacks if need be (I don't as I carry in my jersey). Using the top tube is pretty much a waste IMHO.
Well that's a lot to take in. First I don't like the top tube storage it's not accessible during a ride. Secondly I don't like that the stem is proprietary. Thirdly the adjustable carbon handlebars are an accident waiting to happen. Here is why if the bars were adjusted and the bolts were slightly overtightened and caused a hairline stress fracture on the inside. With the right amount of force from either the rider or jarring from any road gravel included or both. The handlebars would snap! All the way to the stem You'd still have to get a new proprietary stem and handlebar Not a fan of carbon bikes. Admirer perhaps😊
The best review I’ve seen for this bike, and I watched tons. Some details that are hard to find elsewhere. One thing I’m wondering - whether you used a Canyon bottle in that cage, I heard it’s the only one that fits ok. Thanks for that video and you got my sub 🤙
Fantastic review, Ben! At 5'10" with a 33.5 inseam, my measurements put me right on the edge of a SM/Med. Watching this confirmed my inclination to go with the Medium. Great info on the handlebars, handling, and comparison to other consumer-direct bikes in the same price range. And though I was familiar with some of the pros and cons to buying consumer direct vs. bike shop, it's something great to mention for folks who aren't. Can't wait for my bike to come in and hit the roads...with different cages.
How will the top tube storage endure rainy days? Did you have any chance to try it? It would be really pitty to have water in the frame every time you get hit by some rain
That top tube storage looks like something a product engineer did to justify his salary!😂 Not very useful! Handlebar width adjustment? Hmm. I suppose some people would like it. Theses features are a bit of a gimmick to me. I would rather order a bike with the correct bar width and stem length. Does Canyon still use press fit BB’s? They’re a deal killer for me.
The bottle cage fails at holding a bottle while sitting still; no way it's ok even for road use. Also, I'd really hate to stare down the battery door on the top tube while I'm suffering.
Unless you got lucky, buying and servicing a bike at bikeshop is no different that dealing with direct to consumer brand. Stores that do real demo rides are unicorns. Most don’t even have more then one size in the showroom if at all. Service is annoying because they will be booked month in advance all season and won’t look at your bike without reservation.
once it is in stock i'll order it. already have an older version of cf sl endurance and I will size down with this one. somehow, even with extra adjusting I still feel the need for shorter reach (and I can't put a 70mm stem from 100 that came with the bike). I like the whole adjustable cockpit and for the top tube storage, I guess I can try to make something similar to hold my gels...and those will not rattle.
Have been wanting to try the seat post for quite some time. The handle bar idea kinda freaks me out a bit. It’s probably fine just a new idea that I’m having trouble wrapping my simple mind around.
Hey Ben, great detailed and thorough review! I've watched this one and the Grail one. What do you think would be better for ultra races and occasional gravel? Kinda torn between the two cause while the Grail seems more can-do-it-all, I'm not sure if it's better than Endurace on long distance tarmac
The answer, as always, is it depends! Key variables being road surface and steepness. For me, I would lean towards an all road bike because of the wider gear range for all around riding. That would give up a bit of tire clearance and speed over rough stuff. But if you’re riding on pavement most of the time, then you are optimized for that.
Great review as always! Very natural and calming video's you produce here. That top tube "tv remote" closure is bound to fail if you take it out a lot. How's the water ingress of that top tube? It doesn't seem to be IPX rated so you'' probably have water ingress during very rainy rides.
I'm often in between recommended sizes, and almost always go down because I have shorter legs and I like a lower stack. Also sometimes a M/56 is the cutoff for 172.5 cranks and 42 bars, and L/58 often get 175 and 44.
How long until one of those bits comes out of the sleeve and then falls down your seat tube? 30 seconds later: Oh, not long at all. Thanks for what you do.
Just bought a canyon endurace cf slx 8 di2 aero. It does not come with a power meter. I don’t want one so it’s ok. No power meter on the endurance bikes costing less than 5700$
"as long as all your bits are snuggly in there" - next level innuendo! Great vid as always - it's increasingly irritating that these manufacturers force components that are a lot more difficult to swap out! That stem looks like the stuff from nightmares if I'm honest!
I have a 2019 Trek Domane SL5. One think I've noticed with Trek vs. Canyon for the same general geometry is a big difference in wheelbase, not to mention stack and reach. I worry about something as simple as my toes hitting the front tire on a smaller reach frame. I also worry about that non-adjustable cockpit. I'm a guy with very short legs but normal reach, so I'd be going from a Domane 52 to a 2XS Canyon for probably the right stand over and seat height. I worry about too short of a reach. Any comments on this general assumption?
That's disappointing when you start the review with something falling down the seatube. Between that, the rattling sound and the cover looking loose, I've sort of lost interest before you get around to telling me the good stuff. This is the problem when bike companies start getting too smart for their own good. On the positive side, it seems like pretty decent value for the money.
Looks like that top tube sausage roll is as gimmicky as it first appears. My Domane also routinely makes me think I have a flat tire. Thanks for the review.
I got the 2018 version and I’m also 6/183 cm. I put on a 120mm stem on mine, because I thought the reach on the old size M was too short. I’m a heavy and big guy also so I’m guessing I should go for an Ultimate next time?
Canyon do some things a little funky but they always perform well and are well thought out. There are so many choices now a days that Canyon checks more boxed than most with less compromises. They have changed the industry, not like Tesla did with cars but they have in my opinion.
Great video. You covered many things I never thought of in making a bike purchase decision. I went to a trek store and asked them about purchasing fitting and they told me to go to University Bike. Key for me is that I never knew bike fitting is important. Perhaps my bike racing days may have done better. Reach, Stack, store purchase vs convention test / mail purchase are all great things to consider when buying a bike today when my Puegout Carbon and Pinnarello in the mid 1980s only cost me $3k with Campanollo SR set .... and where is Campanollo and Puegout today??? I am so far behind bike stuff today but I am most likely your age trying to fix my health concerns. Like I said. .... I learned a lot from this video.
I'm usually an early adopter and love the latest and greatest. But I just bought a CF 7 with 105 Di2 for $2699 and not feeling any buyers remorse even though I am still in the return period.
So weird that the seat angle is now 72° (S size). It was previously 73,5° for the Endurace. I mean what's the point of reducing the reach if you make the seat angle so slack that the top tube is longer than the previous Endurace
Talking about the CP0018 handle bars. I am trying to get some clarification if I can get the 110mm CP0018 on a medium Aeroad CF SLX. After reaching out to canyon customer service 4 time by email and not answering the my question. I gave up and phoned them. Canyon said “ no “ there is no option to get a 110mm CP0018 on a medium. Simply frustrating when their media release say you can and their customer service say no you can’t. I personally found Canyon customer service hopeless. I had similar experience a few years back when I got my Ultimate.
My understanding for North America is that you cannot get different cockpits or any other parts when you buy a bike, since they are all sitting complete in boxes in the CA warehouse. You can order other Canyon parts like different cockpits through them, but then you've got the extra cost, time and hassle.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney Maybe it’s different in North America compared to Australia. I did ask if I can buy the 110mm CP0018 from Canyon. I was informed they do no sell CP0018 to the public and it’s not listed on their website. I will just have to be happy with the 100mm CP0018. 😀
Nice review, thanks. I have a question about the geometry settings. At your height, is this bike good in size M? Would you change the stem on it for a longer one? Or would you buy a larger size of this bike? Thanks.
Size M works for me in Canyon, but I'd prefer a slightly longer stem. I'm kinda between sizes, but prefer the shorter cranks and narrower bars that usually come on M or 56 bikes compared to L or 58s.
Hi sir i want to ask Canyon xxl frame size is good for tall riders ? I am 6.11ft tall and 84kg😢. Very hard to find perfect size bicycle . Thank you for a answear🙏🏻
I think XXL will be too big. Canyon has a size advise on their site. I'm 1.90m with 96cm inner leg length. Therefore I need an XL frame, but because my upper body is not that long I also need a shorter stem. I hate that that's nog possible with these Endurace models so scrapped it from my shortlist.
Not a rant; I didn't go super in-depth there, and kinda scattered the ride impressions around with geo discussion. Definitely more plush feeling and upright than the Ultimate. 32mm rear tire and VCLS tag team for a very smooth ride.
Good vid man, yeah my biggest problem is getting to ride the bike and feel it’s comfort “before” I buy the thing. Bike looks pretty cool and your description sounds great, I’m sure the larger size tires give it a smoother ride too. How much does it weigh though and what’s the cost for delivery n assembly? I’m older and my fingers hurt too much to tighten bolts etc.
Would the base model Canyon Endurace CF 7 or CF 8 have this new frame with the top tube storage, and one piece integrated handlebars, and fully integrated cabling? I'm wondering, because I just recently bought a 2023 Endurace CF 7 Di2.
I love my Endurace from 2020. That tool hatch seems like a good idea but the execution doesn't appear to be well executed. Ben, if you pulled out the tools, how long would it take you to get the right tool out and ready to use (say, the dynaplug) and then put the whole thing back?
The Dynaplug timing is the critical one, I think. A hex tool means you're probably not in a rush; a plug means time is off the essence! How long all in? I don't know - 10-20 seconds?
Curious how it performed on gravel? Looking at it as a possible replacement for my older model Ultimate as well as my Grail. I've already read that it can technically accommodate 38mm tires which is plenty big for most gravel races. The biggest drawback would be the 1-1 gearing, of course, but the 5 lbs of weight savings over my current gravel bike should help offset that a bit. Thanks for the great review btw!
On fairly tame gravel it was generally fine. I'd want a bit more clearance and a clutch derailleur before I'd endorse it for gravel. I actually like the gearing for gravel, but I like 2x.
Thanks @@TheRidewithBenDelaney. I could probably deal with the limited clearance as there are plenty of decent gravel tire choices in the 35-38 range. And I'm with you on 2x, running 50/34 with a 11-34 cassette wouldn't be too bad for the most part. But you're right, the lack of a clutch would definitely be a drawback given some of the sketchy Colorado mountain jeep trails I've found myself on. Ned Gravel would be out of the question on that bike haha! Guess I'll wait and see what the imminent Grail update looks like. Thanks again for the honest review!
12spd di2 battery is different than the 11spd one, which connected to the shifters as well as the derailleurs and often went in the seatpost. This new style battery sits in the frame, only connects to the derailleurs, and you charge it at the rear derailleur.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney Due to the VCLS seat post the DI2 battery has to go in the down tube. I have the previous generation and that is where it is on that bike as well. It is the only thing I do not like about the bike because you have to remove the bottom bracket to get to the battery and it is a pain to get in and out. It is also the reason they would not be able to do the storage in the down tube like Trek,
Must be a faulty cage. I have two of those super light canyon carbon cages on my gravel bike and have ridden the f*ck out of it on all terrains and they’re proper tight. Never had a bottle rattle or bounce out! I have Rapha bottles and cafe du cyclist bottles and they’re both a super tight snug fit. Must be a faulty cage you should speak to canyon. The bike looks great. I’ve had a few canyons and always been impressed with the quality for the price. A good company that pushes innovation.
Great review fair informative and Impartial. Nice bike. Now with my bike fitting hat on consumer direct bikes do come with challenges mainly as you pointed out Ben with the cockpit. Clients always want to hold you fully accountable for issues here. It’s a difficult line for us to deal with when often you’re not too familiar with every brand you deal with. Personally I like some level of adjustment to really get a fit dialled.
I have a 2020 SLX 8 eTap and love it. It’s getting a little long in the tooth so the new Endurace will be added to the wish list. At 65 years, I need all the stack I can get so the new geo will also be welcome. Roku battery cover is not great. Speaking of wish lists BEN… we all know you’re testing the new Grail and look forward to the embargo lifting soon?
Beautiful bike. I feel that gravel and endurance riders should be able to work on their bikes as never know what will strike them. See Vegan Cyclist experience in the Unbound Gravel XL. The consumer direct model should allow for more flexibility in sizing the stem and handlebar instead of the one piece unit that is starting to appear more and more on high end bikes. Great review too.
Another great review from you; thanks…!! Noticed the reach and drop of the handlebars are set up for a middle of the road sized rider. That’s another compromise in my book. There are no alternatives when ordering, and worse, Canyon buries this kind of information. They also don’t disclose the size of the chainrings - or maybe I’m just missing something. All things considered tho, it’s a great bike at a great price.
Ratcet bits and neoprene sleeves should be cancelled. A zip is required. I personally bought 3 sets of Topeak NTX+. Probably going to buy a third one now. But seriously, they should enclose the bits with a zipper 🤦♂️
Did you get those from their website? I think those numbers are incorrect; perhaps they haven’t yet been updated. The numbers I gave were from materials given to my for the launch, and from the bike itself. I asked Canyon about this and will confirm here asap. Thanks.
Thanks for pointing out both pros AND cons. I don't even bother watching videos from certain others who only show the positives.
Looking at you gcn!
A couple friends just got this Canyon model and love them. I’m thinking about replacing my 5yo Trek Domane SL6 but wanted to know more about the bike. Your review is by far the most informative, unbiased and mature approach out there. Thanks!
The bottle cages are for the proprietary Canyon water bottles. They work great with those, but I've read numerous reviews where the cages fail to securely hold any other bottle.
As always, great and honest review, Ben. I've now established to watch your videos first and then transition over to the other youtubers. This puts their reviews into perspective 👍
Proprietary water bottles? Ooph. I didn't realize that, but that's just dumb. Thanks for the correction.
Glad you like my reviews. I don't know if they're always great, but they're always honest! Cheers.
Their “Proprietary bottles” work with other cages, it’s just that the bottles are a bit fat and are slightly harder to push them in or get them out.
To chime in - I have an Endurace 8 AL Disc, and canyon bottle cages that came with it work with non-canyon bottles as well.
Just found this channel when searching for reviews of the new Endurace. I like your approach. Thanks. Your point about proprietary parts is important. I have the 2020 Endurace. I do most maintenance myself but I recently needed to get headset bearings replaced at my local bike shop. Because they are non-standard I had to order them from Canyon’s supplier in Germany. Fairly straightforward for me because I live in the EU but it could be slower and more expensive for people in the US.
Cheers. Thanks for sharing your experience.
the disassemble-ble handlebar is great... this bike can go in a box, and on a plane. Love that solution - big big plus for canyon over the competition.
Or just route your cables outside... Oh wait you can't since they removed the cable holes. A solution to a problem that should not exist and people like you praise like it's the next big thing. Bruuuh
That top tube cover looks about as durable as the battery cover on my roku remote control. It may last a few months or so. Definitely will break and will likely be a common thing mentioned when looking for a used version of this bike. “Bike is in great shape” “but top tube cover doesn’t lock into place any more”
Remains to be seen. After all how often you need to use the top tube contents? Only rarely.
Good work Ben … appreciate the vids. Top tube storage .. a bit gimmicky for my taste.
This bike was high on my list for a new bike, but the press fit bottom bracket* and handlebar/stem combo made it a no go for me. The shopping experience had me so frustrated that I ordered a titanium frame with EXTERNAL routing. I'm just so tired that everyday bikes have to look like those in the pro peloton. *Finally, a lot manufacturers realized threaded bottom brackets are the only way to go & have gone back or to either T47 or BSA!
Good choice, titanium frame with everything external and get to training, 10-14 hours of zone 2 and cut out the youtube cycling channel watching. Get “non stop” seat time.
I agree 100%. I’m old enough not to be too concerned what people think. If I invest in a new bike I want to be able to do most of the work on it myself.
I bought the canyon endurance and love the super comfy ride. Before I rode othe brands and models, had often neck pain.
But with this special endurance line….just lovin it.
I bought my cf 8 LTD last year, I managed to get a bike that fit me like a glove. I did measurements to compare with the bikes I already owned. My experienced with bringing it into bike shops has been nothing but positive. Bought a new saddle from a specialized owned bike shop after getting my sit bones measured by an employee, and had an inner tube replaced from my local trek store. The trek employee was super friendly and gave me good advice on how to avoid blowing out inner tubes for future rides. As for bottle I got fidlock bottles, no need to worry about bottles and cages being incompatible or difficult to access during rides.
Always love your clean honest reviews! Thanks.
Thank you.
Great review of this bike, sir. I just bought the CF SLX 8 Ultegra 12 Di2 Aero w/ 11x34 in back and 52x36 (perfecto) in front. DT Swiss ERC 1400. This superb, stealthy bad-ass makes me want to ride fast and stay in shape. The bike is plus with the 30F / 32R Conti 5k's, but surprisingly responsive to pedal mashing. Still have the headset risers on, and learned a horrifying lesson. Passing 40 mph on a silk-smooth descent, this bike was like a knife. However, as I passed 45mph in the drops, maybe because I was not as forward as on a race bike, I got speed wobbles that just about put me over the front, even with the typical recovery methods. Big lesson here is that, descending on this (wonderful) endurance machine, my weight was too far back, and I almost ate pavement at 45mph. Not blaming the bike, it was me the rider. The bike is /////////superb!
I have a 2017 Canyon CFSL 8 Ultegra DI2.
It is and has been perfect since the day it got delivered,the only thing i have changed is the DT Swiss wheels for Hunt 40mm carbon and Vittoria tan wall tyres.
If you want one,buy it.
You will not be disappointed
The geometry looks like a great fit for me. I like a taller stack and a longer reach…..short legs, arms, and a longer torso. I can’t understand, though, why a consumer direct brand would have integrated cockpits on an endurance bike. It makes swapping stem lengths very difficult and is probably enough to keep me from buying it. The bar width adjustment is a nice feature, but not nearly as important as the stem. Plus, that adjustment of width makes me a bit nervous.
You can also buy the Endurace CF 8 Disc that has a adjustable cockpit for $2499. You then have money for a wheel upgrade and top tube bolts for a storage bag instead of the trap door.
That must be the old/current Endurace, eh? The pricelist I was sent just has 5 North American bikes, with the 12spd Ultegra Di2 being the least expensive, and all having the integrated/adjustable cockpit.
taking a chance and ordered mine today. Coming from a Roubaix (Future Shock 1.0) and my dedicated gravel whip is a Salsa Warbird I hope this fits the bill since I do prefer a shorter reach and higher stack anyway. Thanks for the honest review!
They could have done it, but they missed. I’d rather have a domane, it might not have a power meter and cost more, but you can change stem length (and without recabling), it has t47, and a down tube is a better place for storage and it has a top tube mount. I do like the trail number on this though.
Now that I have downtube storage(Domane), I'm gonna have a hard time ever buying another bike that doesn't have it
I can't wait to check one out at my local bike shop.
Hahaha 🤣
Top Tube storage just means that we get no top tube bolts to mount a top tube bag which I would like to have instead. I can see where they are going with try to add frame storage compared to the likes of Domane and Roubaix but this just takes an L since it does have top tube bolts to complement it.
With the addition of whatever the heck is going on with the handlebar it is just too complex to be a good get on and ride endurance bike.
Read a couple of reviews of this and the CFR. No one has seemed to notice the 500g increase on the old endurace CF slx9 which was sub UCI weight
That's a good shout. Thanks for pointing that out. I also forgot to mention/show the total bike weight, which is 18.5lb.
Same issues with the bottle cages (on my aeroad; I wanted it to be 100% canyon but this part is not the best solution) - good walkthrough video 👍
They only fit the Canyon bottles. I bought the bottles and they don't fit any other cage :-)
Rather than spend R & D $ and incur incremental manufacturing costs to "develop" the tool compartment, Canyon should have invested in improving their order and supply chain process to enable customers to choose the bar length (or crank length for that matter). Given a choice I prefer traditional bar/stem to allow for changes and adjustments. Threaded BB would have been nice as well!
Well I just ordered this Bike.. Thanks for the Review!
How did it go / turn out?
I love it!
That top tube storage/tool kit is peak bike marketing meme 🤣
This might be my perfect next bike. Comfortable geometry suitable for an inflexible mortal like me, aero features, and great tire clearance. I'd put some gravel tires on the stock wheels and the GP5000s on some deep wheels.
Thanks for this video, I am buying my first Canyon Endurace cf7. It is due for delivery early February 24, looking forward to it. Great content and very informative, so thanks again from a wet UK.
Glad you enjoyed it. Happy new year.
Thanks Ben!
It wasn't long ago that top tubes were breaking if you leaned on em at a coffee shop, now we are putting storage ports in em. Wild.
Generally a good bicycle with a major BUT. Those who ride for endurance would also appreciate the option to attach fenders. With the Ultimate/Aeroad, I don't need that, but here I would really like protection from the elements. The next point is the cockpit. Not a bad concept or design in general, but since the bike has become even shorter, I am certain that many would benefit from an adjustment in stem length. However, since these cockpits are not sold separately or you can't choose the length at purchase, this bike is only for those who are either very flexible in this aspect or know for sure that this geometry and stem length work for them. And then there's the price. With the previous model, there was still a version with a 'normal' stem/handlebar/seatpost for about 800-1000€ less. This price range (2000-3000€) is probably the most interesting for most people and, at least at the moment (maybe a 'cheaper' carbon frame' will come), it's not being served. Given the economic situation, this is somehow incomprehensible. If an aluminum frame is supposed to fill this gap, most customers then turn to Cube because here the price/performance ratio is even more distorted (carbon frame, 105Di2 for 2500€)
Tort Attorneys are going to love those handlebars
Not sure what it’s like in US but in Poland where I live, Canyon have more and more authorised centres where you can service your Canyon bike. I’ve got one quite close to where I live so I’m adding Canyon to my short list👍 Nice review 👌
Super helpful and detailed review. Thx you
Looks like a great bike, as expected from Canyon. But why put the storage in the the thin top tube instead of the more capacious down tube???
Will Canyon go to threaded bottom brackets at any point? Hate seeing pressfit on a bike like this. I also am not impressed by the top tube storage. My Domane uses the downtube for storage which allows me to not only have a multi tool attached to the door of the storage but the internal roll can hold CO2, levers, an inflator and a tube. The size of the storage compartment can also allow a small pump if one chooses (I don't) and some additional snacks if need be (I don't as I carry in my jersey). Using the top tube is pretty much a waste IMHO.
You can choose to build storage in a good place or a shitty place; canyon chose the shitty place
those bars are a dangerous gimmick holy shit
why?
Great job, Ben! It's been a while since I've been checking reviews on Canyon and Trek (Endurance); this one was, by far, the best!
Well that's a lot to take in. First I don't like the top tube storage it's not accessible during a ride.
Secondly I don't like that the stem is proprietary.
Thirdly the adjustable carbon handlebars are an accident waiting to happen.
Here is why if the bars were adjusted and the bolts were slightly overtightened and caused a hairline stress fracture on the inside.
With the right amount of force from either the rider or jarring from any road gravel included or both.
The handlebars would snap!
All the way to the stem You'd still have to get a new proprietary stem and handlebar
Not a fan of carbon bikes. Admirer perhaps😊
The best review I’ve seen for this bike, and I watched tons. Some details that are hard to find elsewhere. One thing I’m wondering - whether you used a Canyon bottle in that cage, I heard it’s the only one that fits ok. Thanks for that video and you got my sub 🤙
Excellent review and thanks for doing this. I am waiting for this bike to be available so I can pull the trigger.
Fantastic review, Ben! At 5'10" with a 33.5 inseam, my measurements put me right on the edge of a SM/Med. Watching this confirmed my inclination to go with the Medium. Great info on the handlebars, handling, and comparison to other consumer-direct bikes in the same price range. And though I was familiar with some of the pros and cons to buying consumer direct vs. bike shop, it's something great to mention for folks who aren't. Can't wait for my bike to come in and hit the roads...with different cages.
Thanks, Katie. Glad it was helpful!
How do you like the bike? How did the fit turn out for you?
How will the top tube storage endure rainy days? Did you have any chance to try it? It would be really pitty to have water in the frame every time you get hit by some rain
That top tube storage looks like something a product engineer did to justify his salary!😂 Not very useful! Handlebar width adjustment? Hmm. I suppose some people would like it. Theses features are a bit of a gimmick to me. I would rather order a bike with the correct bar width and stem length. Does Canyon still use press fit BB’s? They’re a deal killer for me.
Pressfit yes
Loving the bike. Don’t care for the storage tube. Like the adjustable cockpit. I’m work on my own bike so this is perfect
The bottle cage fails at holding a bottle while sitting still; no way it's ok even for road use. Also, I'd really hate to stare down the battery door on the top tube while I'm suffering.
Unless you got lucky, buying and servicing a bike at bikeshop is no different that dealing with direct to consumer brand. Stores that do real demo rides are unicorns. Most don’t even have more then one size in the showroom if at all. Service is annoying because they will be booked month in advance all season and won’t look at your bike without reservation.
looks cool, I wanted to buy a canyon last year, they didn't have any to sell, just looked they still don't
once it is in stock i'll order it. already have an older version of cf sl endurance and I will size down with this one. somehow, even with extra adjusting I still feel the need for shorter reach (and I can't put a 70mm stem from 100 that came with the bike). I like the whole adjustable cockpit and for the top tube storage, I guess I can try to make something similar to hold my gels...and those will not rattle.
Have been wanting to try the seat post for quite some time. The handle bar idea kinda freaks me out a bit. It’s probably fine just a new idea that I’m having trouble wrapping my simple mind around.
I have found the "suspension" seat post to be very noisy, even after copious use of friction paste. This is on a Canyon mountain bike.
Hey Ben, great detailed and thorough review! I've watched this one and the Grail one. What do you think would be better for ultra races and occasional gravel? Kinda torn between the two cause while the Grail seems more can-do-it-all, I'm not sure if it's better than Endurace on long distance tarmac
The answer, as always, is it depends! Key variables being road surface and steepness. For me, I would lean towards an all road bike because of the wider gear range for all around riding. That would give up a bit of tire clearance and speed over rough stuff. But if you’re riding on pavement most of the time, then you are optimized for that.
Good review. Can you share riding impressions? Did you consider the CF 8 Ltd or were you looking for electronic shifting only?
Great review as always! Very natural and calming video's you produce here. That top tube "tv remote" closure is bound to fail if you take it out a lot. How's the water ingress of that top tube? It doesn't seem to be IPX rated so you'' probably have water ingress during very rainy rides.
Love hate them modern cockpit.
Almost guarantee I wouldn’t be happy with the fit 😂 till I played around with stem lengths
Was expecting you’d be riding a large at 6’1” as is recommended for me at same height on Canyon, wonder what your thoughts are on that.
I'm often in between recommended sizes, and almost always go down because I have shorter legs and I like a lower stack. Also sometimes a M/56 is the cutoff for 172.5 cranks and 42 bars, and L/58 often get 175 and 44.
what is that computer mount? Not able to find it anywhere
How long until one of those bits comes out of the sleeve and then falls down your seat tube?
30 seconds later: Oh, not long at all.
Thanks for what you do.
The adjustable handlebars is a solution to a problem that should not exist. Plus it compromises safety
Just bought a canyon endurace cf slx 8 di2 aero. It does not come with a power meter. I don’t want one so it’s ok. No power meter on the endurance bikes costing less than 5700$
"as long as all your bits are snuggly in there" - next level innuendo!
Great vid as always - it's increasingly irritating that these manufacturers force components that are a lot more difficult to swap out! That stem looks like the stuff from nightmares if I'm honest!
Top tube storage would've been great. If it already has downtube storage....
I have a 2019 Trek Domane SL5. One think I've noticed with Trek vs. Canyon for the same general geometry is a big difference in wheelbase, not to mention stack and reach. I worry about something as simple as my toes hitting the front tire on a smaller reach frame. I also worry about that non-adjustable cockpit. I'm a guy with very short legs but normal reach, so I'd be going from a Domane 52 to a 2XS Canyon for probably the right stand over and seat height. I worry about too short of a reach. Any comments on this general assumption?
That's disappointing when you start the review with something falling down the seatube. Between that, the rattling sound and the cover looking loose, I've sort of lost interest before you get around to telling me the good stuff. This is the problem when bike companies start getting too smart for their own good.
On the positive side, it seems like pretty decent value for the money.
Looks like that top tube sausage roll is as gimmicky as it first appears. My Domane also routinely makes me think I have a flat tire. Thanks for the review.
Honostly I stumbled on this video. Quality review. Gained a new subscriber.
Thank you.
We didn't think you were lying.
Better remember to attach the bars properly before riding off.
I got the 2018 version and I’m also 6/183 cm. I put on a 120mm stem on mine, because I thought the reach on the old size M was too short. I’m a heavy and big guy also so I’m guessing I should go for an Ultimate next time?
Canyon do some things a little funky but they always perform well and are well thought out. There are so many choices now a days that Canyon checks more boxed than most with less compromises. They have changed the industry, not like Tesla did with cars but they have in my opinion.
Great video. You covered many things I never thought of in making a bike purchase decision. I went to a trek store and asked them about purchasing fitting and they told me to go to University Bike. Key for me is that I never knew bike fitting is important. Perhaps my bike racing days may have done better. Reach, Stack, store purchase vs convention test / mail purchase are all great things to consider when buying a bike today when my Puegout Carbon and Pinnarello in the mid 1980s only cost me $3k with Campanollo SR set .... and where is Campanollo and Puegout today??? I am so far behind bike stuff today but I am most likely your age trying to fix my health concerns. Like I said. .... I learned a lot from this video.
I'm usually an early adopter and love the latest and greatest. But I just bought a CF 7 with 105 Di2 for $2699 and not feeling any buyers remorse even though I am still in the return period.
Good to know
just gimme the frame and fork... oh the possibilities for a dream bike and 'quiver killer' (even if the top tube storage is a 'lil gimmicky, imo).
So weird that the seat angle is now 72° (S size). It was previously 73,5° for the Endurace. I mean what's the point of reducing the reach if you make the seat angle so slack that the top tube is longer than the previous Endurace
Talking about the CP0018 handle bars.
I am trying to get some clarification if I can get the 110mm CP0018 on a medium Aeroad CF SLX.
After reaching out to canyon customer service 4 time by email and not answering the my question. I gave up and phoned them. Canyon said “ no “ there is no option to get a 110mm CP0018 on a medium. Simply frustrating when their media release say you can and their customer service say no you can’t.
I personally found Canyon customer service hopeless.
I had similar experience a few years back when I got my Ultimate.
My understanding for North America is that you cannot get different cockpits or any other parts when you buy a bike, since they are all sitting complete in boxes in the CA warehouse. You can order other Canyon parts like different cockpits through them, but then you've got the extra cost, time and hassle.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney
Maybe it’s different in North America compared to Australia.
I did ask if I can buy the 110mm CP0018 from Canyon. I was informed they do no sell CP0018 to the public and it’s not listed on their website.
I will just have to be happy with the 100mm CP0018. 😀
Nice review, thanks.
I have a question about the geometry settings. At your height, is this bike good in size M? Would you change the stem on it for a longer one? Or would you buy a larger size of this bike? Thanks.
Size M works for me in Canyon, but I'd prefer a slightly longer stem. I'm kinda between sizes, but prefer the shorter cranks and narrower bars that usually come on M or 56 bikes compared to L or 58s.
Nice & Thanks :)
I can't find the 3 in 1 dyna plug ratchet tool on the US canyon website.
Canyon US seems to be out of stock on a lot of accessories now - including the bags and computer mount for the new Grail.
Hi sir i want to ask Canyon xxl frame size is good for tall riders ? I am 6.11ft tall and 84kg😢. Very hard to find perfect size bicycle . Thank you for a answear🙏🏻
I think XXL will be too big. Canyon has a size advise on their site. I'm 1.90m with 96cm inner leg length. Therefore I need an XL frame, but because my upper body is not that long I also need a shorter stem. I hate that that's nog possible with these Endurace models so scrapped it from my shortlist.
Which tires did you use for the gravel ride?
Sorry for the rant, but did I miss the ride impressions or it was like 10 seconds long? Isn't that the most important thing? Compared to Ultimate etc?
Not a rant; I didn't go super in-depth there, and kinda scattered the ride impressions around with geo discussion. Definitely more plush feeling and upright than the Ultimate. 32mm rear tire and VCLS tag team for a very smooth ride.
Great review! What does that bike weight in at?
Thank you. 18.6lb in Medium.
Hey Ben, what tires did you run on gravel, and can you comment on the tire clearance? Is the stated 35mm conservative, or true?
I just used the stock 30/32mm Contis. Canyon's 35mm is based on 4mm of clearance on either side. So true, I'd say.
Good vid man, yeah my biggest problem is getting to ride the bike and feel it’s comfort “before” I buy the thing. Bike looks pretty cool and your description sounds great, I’m sure the larger size tires give it a smoother ride too. How much does it weigh though and what’s the cost for delivery n assembly? I’m older and my fingers hurt too much to tighten bolts etc.
Would the base model Canyon Endurace CF 7 or CF 8 have this new frame with the top tube storage, and one piece integrated handlebars, and fully integrated cabling? I'm wondering, because I just recently bought a 2023 Endurace CF 7 Di2.
I'm a simple man. Ben posts a video, I watch it.
I love my Endurace from 2020. That tool hatch seems like a good idea but the execution doesn't appear to be well executed. Ben, if you pulled out the tools, how long would it take you to get the right tool out and ready to use (say, the dynaplug) and then put the whole thing back?
The Dynaplug timing is the critical one, I think. A hex tool means you're probably not in a rush; a plug means time is off the essence! How long all in? I don't know - 10-20 seconds?
Hey cheers what mount do you have on the bike?i dont want the canyon it only holds the light from canyon is there another option?
Curious how it performed on gravel? Looking at it as a possible replacement for my older model Ultimate as well as my Grail. I've already read that it can technically accommodate 38mm tires which is plenty big for most gravel races. The biggest drawback would be the 1-1 gearing, of course, but the 5 lbs of weight savings over my current gravel bike should help offset that a bit. Thanks for the great review btw!
On fairly tame gravel it was generally fine. I'd want a bit more clearance and a clutch derailleur before I'd endorse it for gravel. I actually like the gearing for gravel, but I like 2x.
Thanks @@TheRidewithBenDelaney. I could probably deal with the limited clearance as there are plenty of decent gravel tire choices in the 35-38 range. And I'm with you on 2x, running 50/34 with a 11-34 cassette wouldn't be too bad for the most part. But you're right, the lack of a clutch would definitely be a drawback given some of the sketchy Colorado mountain jeep trails I've found myself on. Ned Gravel would be out of the question on that bike haha! Guess I'll wait and see what the imminent Grail update looks like. Thanks again for the honest review!
Is this the new Canyon we saw at Unbound or do they also have a new gravel bike coming out?
@itsinus this is definitely not that unreleased gravel bike, no.
@@justinjewell1043 Isn't it 52/36 and NOT 50/34 - just checked Canyon's specs on their website.
So is Size Medium a good fit for a 6'0" person?
Check the fit calculator on their website. Inner leg is also important for fit for these.
where does the di2 battery go? I suppose it's not in the vcls seatpost? Somewhere near the bottom bracket then?
12spd di2 battery is different than the 11spd one, which connected to the shifters as well as the derailleurs and often went in the seatpost. This new style battery sits in the frame, only connects to the derailleurs, and you charge it at the rear derailleur.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney Due to the VCLS seat post the DI2 battery has to go in the down tube. I have the previous generation and that is where it is on that bike as well. It is the only thing I do not like about the bike because you have to remove the bottom bracket to get to the battery and it is a pain to get in and out. It is also the reason they would not be able to do the storage in the down tube like Trek,
Must be a faulty cage. I have two of those super light canyon carbon cages on my gravel bike and have ridden the f*ck out of it on all terrains and they’re proper tight. Never had a bottle rattle or bounce out! I have Rapha bottles and cafe du cyclist bottles and they’re both a super tight snug fit. Must be a faulty cage you should speak to canyon. The bike looks great. I’ve had a few canyons and always been impressed with the quality for the price. A good company that pushes innovation.
If you buy Di2 equipped bike does that include the charger?
Yes
this is gravel bike?
Great review fair informative and Impartial. Nice bike. Now with my bike fitting hat on consumer direct bikes do come with challenges mainly as you pointed out Ben with the cockpit. Clients always want to hold you fully accountable for issues here. It’s a difficult line for us to deal with when often you’re not too familiar with every brand you deal with. Personally I like some level of adjustment to really get a fit dialled.
I hear you. And fit is tricky enough in person!
Where is the ride impressions
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stem length matters. #SLM
I have a 2020 SLX 8 eTap and love it. It’s getting a little long in the tooth so the new Endurace will be added to the wish list. At 65 years, I need all the stack I can get so the new geo will also be welcome. Roku battery cover is not great.
Speaking of wish lists BEN… we all know you’re testing the new Grail and look forward to the embargo lifting soon?
A three year old bike is a little long in the tooth?
You seem like a PERFECT customer for any bike company.
Beautiful bike. I feel that gravel and endurance riders should be able to work on their bikes as never know what will strike them. See Vegan Cyclist experience in the Unbound Gravel XL. The consumer direct model should allow for more flexibility in sizing the stem and handlebar instead of the one piece unit that is starting to appear more and more on high end bikes. Great review too.
Another great review from you; thanks…!! Noticed the reach and drop of the handlebars are set up for a middle of the road sized rider. That’s another compromise in my book. There are no alternatives when ordering, and worse, Canyon buries this kind of information. They also don’t disclose the size of the chainrings - or maybe I’m just missing something. All things considered tho, it’s a great bike at a great price.
Canyon provide this information in the geometry and components table.
Ratcet bits and neoprene sleeves should be cancelled.
A zip is required.
I personally bought 3 sets of Topeak NTX+. Probably going to buy a third one now. But seriously, they should enclose the bits with a zipper 🤦♂️
Bought 2* sets
Top tube is not short at all. It's 540cm in size XS! Size medium has 561cm top tube. So your 545 figure is false.
Did you get those from their website? I think those numbers are incorrect; perhaps they haven’t yet been updated. The numbers I gave were from materials given to my for the launch, and from the bike itself. I asked Canyon about this and will confirm here asap. Thanks.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney Just checked US site, your numbers are there. On EU site totally different geo numbers, but they are probably false.