excellent video - a lot of the other ones on here provide way to many frivalous details or they ramble on, this one is straight to the point, and has all the measurments needed for a setup.
@@iwillspam5985 the 8th string was too low, and it made the sound very flubby and with 0 sustain, really beating on the fret. I used the measures in the video for the action and the problem was solved
It kind of is, yet you can move some around. For example, it doesn't matter if you adjust the string action or the truss-rod first. But these two should be done before you adjust your intonation, since any later adjustment of the action will ruin your intonation again. And if you want to set the height of the pickups at the end or after adjusting the action is again totally up to you. Thanks for watching!
great. am about to sell mine as I've had a nightmare. Will check out these tips though. Really quick and to the point and not full of annoying ads or "like and subscribe" requests
I love this video, very helpful. I really wish though it went over the rest of the action setup for the rest of the strings. I still have a lot to learn about setting up my own guitar. I get what was mentioned about setting up the bottom and top strings to the preferred height but what do you set up the rest of the strings 2-7?
Hi Jesse! Thank you for your question! Note that the suggestions made in the video are a low string-action recommendation that caters to the average player to improve playability for most guitars, and personal preferences of players may differ. As shown in the video, the low F# should be about 2 mm, and the high E-string at 1.5 mm at the 12th fret. The remaining strings should gradually increase in height from the highest to the lowest string from said minimum to maximum value. This should be addressed at string saddles at the bridge after you make your truss rod adjustments. The saddles should be individually adjusted to a height that follows the curvature/radius of the fretboard. Now, the fretboard radius varies depending on the brand and guitar model. Some have a flatter radius than others. Also, the scale length and string gauge are factors that influence string tension, which may require compensation as well. For example, an average standard string gauge for 8-string guitars is .009 - .074, and 8-string guitars mostly come between 25.5 inches to 28 inches in scale length. The standard string gauge will naturally have lower tension on the 25.5 inches scale than on a 28 inches scale with the strings tuned to the same pitch. Lower tension means more space required for the strings to vibrate, which can result in string buzzing and needs to be addressed with string action. Same string gauges of different brands can also have varying tension. Thicker gauges mostly have higher tension than thinner ones. It all comes down to your personal preference and your setup, so the strings don't buzz on any fret, and the action is not too high, ensuring a comfortable play.
@@FramusWarwickOfficial Hey thank you so much. That is awesome information. I’m sure I’m glad you guys did this. This is so very helpful. Thanks again. Cheers!
When mentioning the string height relative to the radius, I noticed the tech in the video is eyeballing it. Is there a specific measurement guide for this, i.e. how much higher to set the middle strings in relation to the first and last string? Or is it so slight that it's just an eyeball job?
I don't understand how I adjust the action according to the fretboard radius. Should I just roughly guess the approximate radius? Is there any way to do it more accurately? I know this video is old, but maybe somebody can help me
Good Day: We looked on your website and did not find any 8 string guitars for sale.Would you please tell us if you have one for sale and how we make review it ? Thank you very much for your help/ :). Antoine
Hi there, this is a 9 years old video and this instrument has been discontinued since. The only 8string we would have are the CustomShop ones. For any business inquiry please send an email at info@warwick.de
are these measurements of factory specs/starting points or are they for best playability? also, whats the best way of checking the remaining strings are in radius?
In my case 1-6 strings last 6th (elixir nanoweb) 7th and 8th at least 3mth longer. It depends on humidity in your area, type of skin, how hard you play.
Nice video! But I do have a question tho: should I loosen the strings or keep them in tune while adjusting the truss rod? I saw many people do it otherwise than in your vid.
That is certainly not high action. Its regular action most guitars come with and is perfectly playable. You could drop it .5mm on each string but then you will get a little buzz but it will be easier to fret and play. High action would 2-3mm
This is natural for all guitars. It's impossible for a guitar to be perfectly intonated across a standard fretboard. That's where guitars with "true temperament" fretboards come in, like Steve Vai uses. Don't sweat the intonation being perfect across the entire fretboard. You can experiment with the intonation as well. I've read in forums of some people online who like to intonate to a different fret than the 12th and intonating to the 7th or the 9th fret, mess around with it and find what sound you like. That's the beauty of setting up your own guitar. You can make it however you want it to be and if it gets old change the setup. I still like to watch guitar setup videos to see what tips and tricks other people do, like using an allen wrench for action is pretty clever, but from about 7-8 years of messing around with setting up my guitars I know exactly how much neck relief and what height of the action should be for my tastes. Eventually you'll find exactly where you like everything to be.
Great vid boys,...that ax is a beast too! But what of 8 string guitars with 2 truss rods?? Also,.. does the pickup height measurement you give (which really is optimally sound) apply to the bridge pickup as well?
Dude, do you guys make straight neck hardtail(hipshot style) 6 stringers? It is very hard to find a decent guitar in the shops these days. Most of the guitars either have a whammy or a piece of shit tunomatic.
Dear Endezeichen Grimm, yes we have! Please have a look on our website. Please feel free to contact us on socialmedia@warwick.de. Cordially, Anne warwick.de/en/Framus---Custom-Shop--Gallery--Panthera--Panthera---292--6-string--Pictures.html
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2.5 mm is not too high for the bass side pickup height ? I mean, it's heavy gauge, so big vibrations, no ?
If it wasn't for me looking a proper way to set up an 8 string/ string up and looking up the comments! I would never imagine someone had the same last name as me 😂😂 but seriously I needed to look this video up to set up agile 8 string!
I know how to set up 7 and 6 string guitars very well. But this 8 string I just picked up is giving me fits. On both my 7s, I run a 56/10 set tuned standard and half step down. I set the action to 1.8mm low side with .3mm of relief. Buzz is normal. Now my 8 is half step down and strings 7-1 are a little thicker gauged than my 7s, 58/10, but the 7 has significant buzz even with .5mm relief and 2.2mm action. How is this possible? I've messed with the relief to no end front and back and nothing changes. Now with the 8th string I'm having the same problem but the action is 2.8mm and the buzz is still significant with a 74ga string. Someone with good knowledge of 8 strings help me out. I don't want to go thicker for the 7th. But I'm gonna try a little thicker for the 8th so I think I can get the 8 better. But the 7th should be more than fine considering the info comparison to my 7 string guitars from which one is the 7 string model of the 8 I have. Makes no sense. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Are you measuring the action off the 12th fret? Are the scale lengths different on these guitars? Are the bridges different? Or do they both have straight angle neck joints with hardtail bridges. Tunomatic bridges are pieces of shit so they will give you more trouble. Frankly though, I think 8 strings is too much. It is more like setting up a bass.
Action is measured at the 12th on all my guitars. The slightly larger strings make up for the 1.5" of scale length difference. I've since learned that going lighter on the top 3 strings of the 8 string has helped the buzz a lot. Not all of it but much better. Go figure that lighter would be better.
Fretbuzz mainly happens if the neck has back-bow. However if my 8 buzzes i check the neck(.10-.15mm relief, however the .15mm fillergauge touches a little bit) and the the action. I set my c-8 slightly lower than 2mm on f# and 1,25 on e1 it has no buzz. If it would be buzzing a lot i would take it to a lutier to polish and level the frets.
If you're getting fret buzz on the lower frets, closer to the nut, then loosen the truss rod and increase the neck relief. If you have buzz on the highest frets, closest to the body, raise the action at the bridge/saddles to increase string clearance at the end of the neck.
Well doing all of this, I will say I'll never ever buy another Ibanez. I got an RGMS8 and it is horrible. I go from a standard string set. Dooooo all of this. My 8th string (Eb) buzzes so bad that it gives me horrible frequencies through my amp. It doesn't go away with truss rod adjustment or saddle adjustment (until its raised a mile) okay so I need bigger strings... So I thought. 74 to 80 to 85 to a damn NINETY. Still the problem persists. I look down my neck (or up, technically) and the 24th fret looks substantially higher than the rest of the frets. 6-700 dollar guitar and the fret work is shot? Seriously, I hate Ibanez. No wonder Tosin went out on his own
Douglas Dusold My beef is that they're racist against southpaws!! I called those mooks and offered them $5,000 for a left handed Ibanez Universe. Ya know what they tell me ? "Kid,..you can double that number and we still won't do it" Racists!
@@Th3feaRahhh a fellow lefty. I'm really sorry to hear that, I play right handed but I am indeed a lefty. Well actually I guess I'm ambidextrous but I can't write any better than a 1st grader with my right hand. I can barely keep my picking clean, but alas right handed guitars are cheaper and have more variety in style. BUT Ibanez shouldn't be saying that to someone. That's horrible, I will say it's because their guitars are "cookie cutter" design. Doing a left handed guitar "wOuLd bE tOo HaRd"
Excellent video. Finally a video with the right order, precission and detail of the information required to set up a guitar.
This is gold. Thanks, seriously guys!
Everyone else skips steps because they've done it so many times, thanks for being thorough
High-quality, informative video! Thank you!
YT never fails to recommend such informative videos.
These tips work well for all guitars. Great tutorial
This is the most in depth and clearly outlined video I've ever seen on this subject. Thank you!
Ive have been using this video for reference for years. Thanks guys
best ever tutorial. short, precise and very informative. thanks a lot guys!
excellent video - a lot of the other ones on here provide way to many frivalous details or they ramble on, this one is straight to the point, and has all the measurments needed for a setup.
Succint and to the point, no blabbering or unecessary info or silly opinions just facts!
This video solved a problem I had with my 8th string for some time now!!! Thank you so much for this straight up detailed and focused video!!
what problem?
@@iwillspam5985 the 8th string was too low, and it made the sound very flubby and with 0 sustain, really beating on the fret. I used the measures in the video for the action and the problem was solved
Best video by far. quick and direct :D
thanks man this really helped i had no idea my new guitar was so out of wack! thanks again
Thanks! I fixed my 8 string problem within 10 minutes after watching this! Thank you much!!!
It kind of is, yet you can move some around. For example, it doesn't matter if you adjust the string action or the truss-rod first. But these two should be done before you adjust your intonation, since any later adjustment of the action will ruin your intonation again. And if you want to set the height of the pickups at the end or after adjusting the action is again totally up to you. Thanks for watching!
Finally, a good fucking video regarding setup
Dude, this actually helped a lot. Thanks, man.
Great tips for 8 string. Made my Washburn Parallaxe PXM18 sound really tight and chuggy. Thanks ;)
That was the best tutorial ive seen on youtube! Great job!!!
great. am about to sell mine as I've had a nightmare. Will check out these tips though. Really quick and to the point and not full of annoying ads or "like and subscribe" requests
Great video and BEAUTIFUL guitar!
very well documented, downloading it now!!
This video saved me 60 bucks
2:54 0_o he has a hand that comes out of his face?
Probably Chuck Norris with his beardfist.
No problem if yu don't have 3 arms. You can clamp strings vith capodaster on first fret. Than do the rest with as many hands as you usually have.
Well realised, informative and straight to the point!
Great tutorial! Congrats and thank you for the great content! :)
cool thanks. i appreciate you taking the time to answer.
Finally a video on how to set up 8 string guitars. I have the Ibanez RG8 and it has horrible fret buzz I hope this works!
Thank you for the explanation, very clear.
Thanks for this
Great video, Thanks!
thanks! thats what i needed
I completely agree, he has no right to complain ;P
A bit more neck relief helps keep the 8th from fretting out. I like .013 in, or .33mm.
I love this video, very helpful. I really wish though it went over the rest of the action setup for the rest of the strings. I still have a lot to learn about setting up my own guitar. I get what was mentioned about setting up the bottom and top strings to the preferred height but what do you set up the rest of the strings 2-7?
Hi Jesse! Thank you for your question! Note that the suggestions made in the video are a low string-action recommendation that caters to the average player to improve playability for most guitars, and personal preferences of players may differ. As shown in the video, the low F# should be about 2 mm, and the high E-string at 1.5 mm at the 12th fret. The remaining strings should gradually increase in height from the highest to the lowest string from said minimum to maximum value. This should be addressed at string saddles at the bridge after you make your truss rod adjustments. The saddles should be individually adjusted to a height that follows the curvature/radius of the fretboard. Now, the fretboard radius varies depending on the brand and guitar model. Some have a flatter radius than others. Also, the scale length and string gauge are factors that influence string tension, which may require compensation as well. For example, an average standard string gauge for 8-string guitars is .009 - .074, and 8-string guitars mostly come between 25.5 inches to 28 inches in scale length. The standard string gauge will naturally have lower tension on the 25.5 inches scale than on a 28 inches scale with the strings tuned to the same pitch. Lower tension means more space required for the strings to vibrate, which can result in string buzzing and needs to be addressed with string action. Same string gauges of different brands can also have varying tension. Thicker gauges mostly have higher tension than thinner ones. It all comes down to your personal preference and your setup, so the strings don't buzz on any fret, and the action is not too high, ensuring a comfortable play.
@@FramusWarwickOfficial Hey thank you so much. That is awesome information. I’m sure I’m glad you guys did this. This is so very helpful. Thanks again. Cheers!
When mentioning the string height relative to the radius, I noticed the tech in the video is eyeballing it. Is there a specific measurement guide for this, i.e. how much higher to set the middle strings in relation to the first and last string? Or is it so slight that it's just an eyeball job?
What would be your recommendation for string height on a 7 string for the Low B? 1.5 - 2.0mm?
Great video by the way👍🏼😊
I don't understand how I adjust the action according to the fretboard radius. Should I just roughly guess the approximate radius? Is there any way to do it more accurately?
I know this video is old, but maybe somebody can help me
Change strings one or twice a month if you use crappy sets. Get an Elixir and keep it for months sounding like a new set!
u check radius by eye?
0.1-0.3 mm at the 9th? the relief on the video is at least 1.0mm
Good Day: We looked on your website and did not find any 8 string guitars for sale.Would you please tell us if you have one for sale and how we make review it ? Thank you very much for your help/ :). Antoine
Hi there, this is a 9 years old video and this instrument has been discontinued since. The only 8string we would have are the CustomShop ones. For any business inquiry please send an email at info@warwick.de
are these measurements of factory specs/starting points or are they for best playability? also, whats the best way of checking the remaining strings are in radius?
Trying using a radius gauge
Change strings once or twice a month?..........I have mine for 3 years on my guitar!!!
every 6 to 9 months is fine by me
We all know that "suggestion" was sponsored by a string factory
In my case
1-6 strings last 6th (elixir nanoweb) 7th and 8th at least 3mth longer.
It depends on humidity in your area, type of skin, how hard you play.
How should I setup the string action with a compound radius?
Nice video! But I do have a question tho: should I loosen the strings or keep them in tune while adjusting the truss rod? I saw many people do it otherwise than in your vid.
Dear Djent, we recommend to loose the strings to adjust the trusrod a little bit, than retune and check again. Cordially, Anne
Great thanks for a quick answer :]
is the sequence in which i do these adjustments important?
That's REALLY high action. I don't think there are a whole lot of 8-string players who prefer action that high.
That is certainly not high action. Its regular action most guitars come with and is perfectly playable. You could drop it .5mm on each string but then you will get a little buzz but it will be easier to fret and play. High action would 2-3mm
What happens if the string is intonated at the 12th fret but not at some of the others? (Example 4,5,6)
This is natural for all guitars. It's impossible for a guitar to be perfectly intonated across a standard fretboard. That's where guitars with "true temperament" fretboards come in, like Steve Vai uses. Don't sweat the intonation being perfect across the entire fretboard. You can experiment with the intonation as well. I've read in forums of some people online who like to intonate to a different fret than the 12th and intonating to the 7th or the 9th fret, mess around with it and find what sound you like. That's the beauty of setting up your own guitar. You can make it however you want it to be and if it gets old change the setup. I still like to watch guitar setup videos to see what tips and tricks other people do, like using an allen wrench for action is pretty clever, but from about 7-8 years of messing around with setting up my guitars I know exactly how much neck relief and what height of the action should be for my tastes. Eventually you'll find exactly where you like everything to be.
WOW!!!! Finally a video that us dumb people can understand!!!! Thank you!
Great vid boys,...that ax is a beast too! But what of 8 string guitars with 2 truss rods?? Also,.. does the pickup height measurement you give (which really is optimally sound) apply to the bridge pickup as well?
My low f# has alot alot of fret buzz
Dude, do you guys make straight neck hardtail(hipshot style) 6 stringers?
It is very hard to find a decent guitar in the shops these days. Most of the guitars either have a whammy or a piece of shit tunomatic.
Dear Endezeichen Grimm, yes we have! Please have a look on our website. Please feel free to contact us on socialmedia@warwick.de. Cordially, Anne
warwick.de/en/Framus---Custom-Shop--Gallery--Panthera--Panthera---292--6-string--Pictures.html
2.5 mm is not too high for the bass side pickup height ? I mean, it's heavy gauge, so big vibrations, no ?
Im curious to know if the specifications apply only to 8 string framus guitars as well as 6 string framus guitars
If it wasn't for me looking a proper way to set up an 8 string/ string up and looking up the comments! I would never imagine someone had the same last name as me 😂😂 but seriously I needed to look this video up to set up agile 8 string!
Just curious, what guitar tuner is that?
+warwickofficial i think he meant actual guitar tuner, not tuning pegs
I know how to set up 7 and 6 string guitars very well. But this 8 string I just picked up is giving me fits.
On both my 7s, I run a 56/10 set tuned standard and half step down. I set the action to 1.8mm low side with .3mm of relief. Buzz is normal.
Now my 8 is half step down and strings 7-1 are a little thicker gauged than my 7s, 58/10, but the 7 has significant buzz even with .5mm relief and 2.2mm action. How is this possible? I've messed with the relief to no end front and back and nothing changes.
Now with the 8th string I'm having the same problem but the action is 2.8mm and the buzz is still significant with a 74ga string.
Someone with good knowledge of 8 strings help me out. I don't want to go thicker for the 7th. But I'm gonna try a little thicker for the 8th so I think I can get the 8 better. But the 7th should be more than fine considering the info comparison to my 7 string guitars from which one is the 7 string model of the 8 I have. Makes no sense. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Are you measuring the action off the 12th fret? Are the scale lengths different on these guitars?
Are the bridges different? Or do they both have straight angle neck joints with hardtail bridges.
Tunomatic bridges are pieces of shit so they will give you more trouble. Frankly though, I think 8 strings is too much. It is more like setting up a bass.
Action is measured at the 12th on all my guitars. The slightly larger strings make up for the 1.5" of scale length difference.
I've since learned that going lighter on the top 3 strings of the 8 string has helped the buzz a lot. Not all of it but much better. Go figure that lighter would be better.
Fretbuzz mainly happens if the neck has back-bow. However if my 8 buzzes i check the neck(.10-.15mm relief, however the .15mm fillergauge touches a little bit) and the the action. I set my c-8 slightly lower than 2mm on f# and 1,25 on e1 it has no buzz. If it would be buzzing a lot i would take it to a lutier to polish and level the frets.
If you're getting fret buzz on the lower frets, closer to the nut, then loosen the truss rod and increase the neck relief. If you have buzz on the highest frets, closest to the body, raise the action at the bridge/saddles to increase string clearance at the end of the neck.
Is it possible to swap an HT8 jackson bridge to hipshot?
very informative, but not really different from an 6 string setup
IS THIS TRICK WORKS ON 6 STRING GUITAR?
uau that guy has 3 hands?
This is almost word for word the same as strandburg guitars maintenance video
Well doing all of this, I will say I'll never ever buy another Ibanez. I got an RGMS8 and it is horrible. I go from a standard string set. Dooooo all of this. My 8th string (Eb) buzzes so bad that it gives me horrible frequencies through my amp. It doesn't go away with truss rod adjustment or saddle adjustment (until its raised a mile) okay so I need bigger strings... So I thought. 74 to 80 to 85 to a damn NINETY. Still the problem persists. I look down my neck (or up, technically) and the 24th fret looks substantially higher than the rest of the frets. 6-700 dollar guitar and the fret work is shot? Seriously, I hate Ibanez. No wonder Tosin went out on his own
Douglas Dusold My beef is that they're racist against southpaws!! I called those mooks and offered them $5,000 for a left handed Ibanez Universe. Ya know what they tell me ? "Kid,..you can double that number and we still won't do it"
Racists!
@@Th3feaRahhh a fellow lefty. I'm really sorry to hear that, I play right handed but I am indeed a lefty. Well actually I guess I'm ambidextrous but I can't write any better than a 1st grader with my right hand. I can barely keep my picking clean, but alas right handed guitars are cheaper and have more variety in style. BUT Ibanez shouldn't be saying that to someone. That's horrible, I will say it's because their guitars are "cookie cutter" design. Doing a left handed guitar "wOuLd bE tOo HaRd"
Its estimated that strings go dull after 7 hours of playing.
That huge turn with the truss rod was totally unnecessary.
Be thankful you aren't a bass guitarist, our string sets cost 6x as much.
cool thanks. i appreciate you taking the time to answer
What happens if the string is intonated at the 12th fret but not at some of the others? (Example 4,5,6)