Thanks Bill, I appreciate it! That sign really pops, the video doesn't even pick it up very well, it looks so much better in person! Side note, that sign will be going up in the garage once I build it, on the back wall over the new filming area. Still a ways out, but that's the plan! Have a nice day Bill! -Fred
Thanks Ken, I find it quite frustrating. TBH I don't watch or follow more than one or two Vette channels for exactly that reason. In fact, a big part of what motivated me to cover Corvette's more directly last year, was because I couldn't get simple, honest, fact based info that I was curious about. I was like, "well, if I'm already getting the info myself, why not share with others?". I appreciate the support! Have a nice day! -Fred
@@Brooks22n I don't think Tony was saying specifically that the 5 mile limit rocks. I think he was saying he loves the car, and appreciated me (separately) explaining the 5 mile limit. For those who want further EV range, I'm sure that will come with other cars, but again, the E-Ray is a performance hybrid, specifically not intended as an efficiency hybrid.
@@Brooks22n You sound like you are comparing the E-Ray to a Tesla, in which case that would be a faulty comparison. 5 miles of Stealth Mode is an added bonus to the E-Ray that already rocks. It also affords you the comfort of not waking up neighbors in those tight communities. If a fully EV Corvette comes out, I will not buy it. So enjoy your Tesla and pro tip: don't park it in your garage. 🚒🚔
Fred Build your garage as soon as you possible can, it will be something you can enjoy with just one car or more, that’s how I started out and really enjoy it Then I started adding heaters and AC as I could afford it Now I have a lift and additional sports car Keep up the great job 😊
Thanks Bill! That's where my head is at, and honestly that "feels" like the right choice. There'll always be time to buy more cars, but having a great garage space to store them, as well as a lift for working on them and doing some fun projects to me seems like the best bang for the buck. I really appreciate the support and perspective. You don't know how much comments like yours really help me feel more confident in a choice like that. Thanks again! Have a great day, nice to hear from you! -Fred
Fred, Did you see the C&D Lightening Lap for the Z06? It was posted on the MECF. An amazing 2:38.6 which is only 0.2 of a second behind the McLaren 765LT.
My Z06 order is in as of last week but had to drop aero, museum delivery about April so I'll be at the museum twice in April, again for the bash. Hope to see you there. Rapid blue, 3lz, htc, with 2 tone blue, carbon level 2, and several other goodies, 149,040. Was 159,900 with aero. I will be adding carbon aero bits later. Have a good weekend.
That's awesome, congrats! Unfortunately I don't think I can make it in April, got a lot going on personally that is taking large chunks of my time (nothing bad, just busy). But I'll be interested to hear how the whole experience is, see pictures, and get your impressions of the car! :) I do want to get to the Bash or Corvettes of Carlisle at some point, I just don't know when I can make that happen. Trust me, when I go, I'll announce it on the channel and setup a way to coordinate with anyone who wants to say hi! Have a nice day, congrats again on the order being in! -Fred
The sign is remarkably nice. I don't think he could have done it better...I have done a little sign work myself though not neon. MacMulkin didn't help me much on the reservation even though having been on the "interest list" for close to a year. Everyone got the same notice and chance to charge out of the gate at the same time. I'm far back on the Z06 list but disappointed that the E-Ray is virtually the same price despite, heavier, outside exhaust, no high wing option (if you want it), summer tires extra if not the carbon flash trim as well. Of course the less exotic engine. I will say I like the wheels more than I expected and it would be nice to cruise to Starbucks or downtown on battery power. Fred, it sounds like you have a car that makes you happy and the garage would provide some real utility you would like to have. Maybe keep the slot at MM but when the time comes, ask if they might push you to the back of the bus and see what things look like then. By that time, you may have found other interests or see a market change or by good fortune found your way to get that new Corvette.
Thanks man! I don't recall, do you have a logo for your channel? I don't think I saw one in any of the recent videos I've watched. If you do, zanvis did a great job of translating my logo into LED. It was about $340 for the sign for 30" wide, and 13" tall. Have a nice day man! -Fred
Fred - thanks for another engaging, thoughtful video. I didn't learn anything new about E-Ray but that may have to do with my obsessive interest in it culminating with putting a deposit down at MM on Wednesday! As always, looking forward to more.
Hahaha, that's great about the reservation Bill! Consider me your "fact checker", so you've really done your homework to have not learned anything! It took me a bit to pull this together, especially since I'm not planning on one for myself (though I'm still excited about the car). Have a nice day and nice to hear from you! -Fred
Keep your manual! Traded my 2019 manual GS for a 2022 Stingray. Now I want to go and buy a C7 manual too. C8 Stingray, even with manual paddle shifting still lacks driver engagement with the car. Thanks for all the great content!
Hey Fred- Nice job, as always. I think you're on the mark with the ERay. My biggest issue with my C7Z is traction, it has been since day one. ERay uniquely solves that issue. I would have liked to see 2 separate motors in the front, but with computer technology and CCB, I'm confident that GM can make it hook up. I think this is the go-to car for anyone who is not tracking the car. I have 2 issues/ questions. Does anyone have thoughts on battery life?? And in the GM ads I've heard them talking about it as a Touring Coupe, so I'm wondering if they won't warranty track use?. One last thing, I hear a semi-reliable rumor that MacMulkin is getting +/- 20 Z06's a month. Let's up they can up that number, and have enough bodies for the ERay :)
Fred, Firstly, kudos for calling out all the "click-bait" videos. Like you I am getting sick of that and when I see something that on the surface sounds over-the-top I will not watch the video. Regarding to E-Ray, I think it is the better option for the street, so for those who will not track the Z06 that is the way to go. I put down my deposit for the Z06 Sep 2020 and as you know at MSRP. I was #244, now #161. Since my primary purpose is getting back to Road Atlanta, I am even more excited after see Lightening Laps where the Z06 was faster than the ZR1. However, if I was in your shoes with a C7 I love, plus having an outlet for racing with a team for 24 hour events, I may use that $100K+++ elsewhere like you discussed. Sully
My Z06 order is in, I'm wondering if 24 production will start in July. You could end up with late 23 but maybe a 24 for sure. I don't think they'll be much difference besides the 3 color changes. MacMulkin is on point as usual.
@@vettesweetnos Firstly, congrats on getting your Z06 order placed! I would assume July for the 2024. My biggest concern is the shortage of the Z07 pkg which I want.
Thanks. I would have liked the wing also but I'm going to just add the splitter and skirts when they're available. I didn't want the cup2r or stiffer suspension though.
@@vettesweetnos I understand the Cup 2 R tires for the track. What I do not understand is forcing customers who want the Z07 to buy those tires. Seems reckless for GM to mandate this especially when they know they are a risk. I will take them off as soon as I drive home, then put them on for track days. Since I am doing NCM delivery, I need to see if they can swap them out and ship the Cup 2 R tires to me.
Hey Sully, Thanks for the support, and the insight. I'll always love the Z (regardless of what I do), but with my ideal build coming in at ~$137k, there's a lot of fun I could have by splitting that up. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Thankfully though, I feel a bit relieved that I've decided to keep the C7. It's so wonderful, and my track itch will be scratched with the Lemons team. I will keep everyone posted, but I appreciate you saying you'd consider the same. I haven't been real confident about how the ideas would be received, especially on a Corvette-heavy channel like mine, but it's nice to know that it won't alienate everyone if I decide not to get it. :) Have a nice day! -Fred
Fantastic Information Fred. Love the sign! I’m glad you’re Living The Dream! Clearly, you’re making the right decision to keep the Grand Sport! You love the Manual Transmission as well as the car it’s mated too! I think it will be a very sad day if you ever part with that G.S. I had made a decision not to try to get an ERAY, now you’re giving me second thoughts! Perhaps I won’t get on the list at MacMulkin, I informed my local dealership that I’m interested in an ERAY. The Corvette Specialist told me I’m the first to inquire about an ERAY so I’ll see if they call me and I’ll need to make a decision! Supposedly they are selling at MSRP.
Fred Another great job on your podcast Sorry it took me so long to respond I am not a E-Ray guy Old school for me, but you content was excellent Thanks again for sharing
No worries at all on the reply! Totally hear you about the car not being the right fit for you. I find that even for cars I'm not personally going to own, or trying to buy, I'm usually still interested in learning a bit about them. Hoping this video filled in those gaps, even if it's not your cup of tea! Thanks for saying hi, and the nice compliments! -Fred
Keep up the good analysis. Like you, I appreciate the Porsches and C8s. My track days are over so I changed my order to an Eray, see how well it will compare to my 992 Turbo S at 1/2 the price.
Thanks Dan! When my Z06 number gets called (2-3 years out), if they offer an E-Ray changeover, I will strongly consider it. The car seems to check a bunch of boxes for me. Congrats on the Turbo S. Money no object, that is my favorite car after I tried one at PEC ATL last Spring. I'd sell a lot of things for one, maybe someday! Have a nice day! -Fred
@@danjensen7483 Oh man, that GT4 is amazing as well! Definitely a car in my top 5 list from Porsche. Congrats on having both! If you ever *had* to part with your Turbo and needed someone to take it, I'd happily accept. You know, to help out a friend in need. :) J/K, I'll earn one the old fashioned way someday. I'm hopeful that used P-car prices will soften a bit, and that my savings will grow as my income grows, and eventually I can get a used one, though realistically I've been eyeing older Boxsters for a fun project car, and don't think I can go wrong there. I got a lot of seat time in my Mom's old 986 years ago, and would be happy with one of those, or a 987 or 981. Sounds like I better build that garage first though!
@@FredsFullThrottle Can’t sell the Turbo, my wife says that’s her baby. She rarely lets me drive it. Luckily I do enjoy the GT 4 more, it’s just plain fun.
You did it again Fred! Another great honesty video about what we really want to hear about! If you could possible, do a video on what the ZR1 will be or what you've heard about. Thestraightpipes mentioned in their e-ray video that it won't be boosted but everyone thinks it will be. Also possible the ZORA will be all-electric instead of turbo hybrid
Thanks Nam! I appreciate the kind words! I'll make you a deal. I will cover anything I hear on the ZR1, once it gets past the rumor mill phase. Rewind a year or two ago, and that's sort of what the E-Ray or Z06 was as well. If you look back at some of the statements that many made "as fact", many of them turned out to be way off base. Since I try to be as accurate/truthful as possible, I've stayed away from even mentioning the car, because nothing is really known about it (or the Zora). I'm sure as you alluded to with TheStraightPipes (very nice guys btw!, I've chatted a little with them a while ago online), when you're at an event and can talk to the engineers, you likely get a bit more "unofficial" info than people like me. I saw those same comments, but can't really comment on them because I have no idea how true (or not) they may be. Though of Jacob/Yuri actually got that from the engineers, then I'd say it's likely pretty accurate. :) Have a nice day, nice to hear from you! -Fred
Love your thoughts on the possibility of a grand sport c8 , that would truly intrigue me ! I’m on the same page , I love my C7 , when I do jump in on the c8 , I’m going to keep my C7 . I think it would be great to have the front and rear engine models !
Absolutely agree Bill! Now, if I can just find a way to pay for the C8Z without having to free up money with the C7... If I can swing it, that would be awesome. In the meantime I'm going to keep saving! :) Have a nice day! -Fred
Awww...Yeah... It's Fredday Again...ha ha ha! Fred, As always, well done on the video's content and presentation my friend! Love that I spotted your new neon sign before you mentioned it! It looks great and they have done an amazing job with it, so kudo's! I believe the E-Ray is going to be a phenomenal performance car/hybrid. It's interesting to think about this performance sports car hybrid and some people's online comments mentioning it's hybrid range isn't far enough 🤦 I just love the fact that I was concerned about the possibility of losing its hybrid performance feature during track time or very spirited driving situations. Then GM releases the information about, the safety features built-in which will never allow the loss of the AWD during those situations as the batteries will never drain below a certain% so the performance will be there! Anyway, you know my take from my most excellent experience at Macmulkin's overnight E-Ray allocation tailgate party...ha ha ha! So about your car and garage situation! Build your garage my friend! The value to your house will grow and the use of it is greatly needed! Your options for track car builds are many and you can always adjust your plans over time while waiting for your Z06 allocation to hit! It was great meeting up with you in person and thanks for being exactly the same person on camera as in real life❗ Be well -Shane
Thanks again man, and the feeling is mutual! Was great meeting you and getting some time to catch up! Have a nice day, enjoy that warm Florida air, it was -12 this morning when I woke up! lol -Fred
Hi Shane Good Luck with the great opportunity you have to get an early ERAY!!! #24 should be a great place in line. My Stingray just had a 1 year old Birthday 2/14/2023. I’m thinking about an ERAY but as you and Fred know, my health may play a part in making a decision. I was thinking about getting in line at MM, but supposedly I’m #1 in line at my local dealership where I got my Stingray. That is, if I can believe the Corvette Salesperson and the dealership gets an ERAY allocation. They even said they will sell at MSRP. I guess when/if the time comes, we’ll see! Question for you? Do you have any idea how long CCBs will last? You know, the expectation a person has doing regular driving, not a lot of abuse on CCBs, but typical daily driving? Noteworthy, is that living in PA, we have a “Driving Season”. Once winter hits in November or December the PA DOT and Township Highway Department start putting stones, salt and anti-skid material on the roads and that lasts until Cleanup in April or May…. Stones are pretty much gone from the roads! The thought of replacing those CCBs at what I recently heard at around $20,000 is frightening. In fact, some are saying that the CCBs have a lot of screech to them and the unsprung weight isn’t going to be that noticeable. Any thoughts on that? Kerry/Doug 👍👍👍👍 What do you (Fred) think if you also read this? Just saw your Vlog Installment of Fred Day 2/17/2023 Love You Guys & Your Passion for Corvettes Shane, I’ll see you on BOS & HPO & FFT Thanks
@@kerry_glock Hey great to hear from you for sure! I don't have any documents, nor have I done any research into this topic heavily, but from my understanding, the CCB's are almost a lifetime style brake system for most Corvette owners "normal usage". Heavy daily driving and track usage would wear on them for sure, but under normal typical Corvette driving conditions, they should last with no problems. Added driving, spirited driving, and occasional track days, like my intended use of the car will be, I expect the pads will need to be changed out more often, but the rotors should last! I do some detailed research for a better answer, unless Fred jumps in with his wealth of knowlege! Be well and good hearing from you! -Shane
@@Hangin_With_Shane I consider Fred a good buddy of mine. Even if it is just through his channel and I email him about stuff. I sure hope to get a chance to meet both of you some day. If my health permits, I hope to get to Carlisle on Friday this year. I’d also like to meet the BOS & the HPO Guys! Geez, I live in PA about 120 miles away and haven’t been to Corvettes at Carlisle in over 10 years. The last 4 years due to my illness and Covid have prevented my travel. Hope I am well enough in August. I need to get a buddy to ride with me! Wish you good luck in getting the ERAY. Will you transport it or drive it home? I will be looking forward to your comments! I can only imagine the fast acceleration of 2.5 seconds or maybe even better. Neck snapping for sure, you’ll need that headrest If you take delivery at MM, I imagine you will notify Fred and meet him there. Keep counting 👍👍👍👍s
@@kerry_glock well I'm sorry to hear about your health concerns/issues my friend! I will definitely be attending the NCM Bash and Carlisle this year! If you can make the drive, I can introduce you to Mike BOS, Justin HPO, Jason Front Seat Driver, and Steve Protective Dad Pranks from our Monday night Lives! We always love mingling with other RUclipsrs, their subscribers, and having a good time! I've decided to skip my Stingray allocation scheduled for this spring/summer time frame. I'm going to wait for my E-Ray allocation to arrive instead! I will be doing the Museum delivery option. Then cruising out to PA for Justin and Blackout Tinting work to begin...ha ha ha! You can find an inexpensive hotel around Carlisle like I did last year. It's worth the drive and you'll have a blast meeting everyone! I think I'll be starting my own RUclips channel too! Hanging With Shane! It will be more of a Vlog style with cars, vehicle's, trips, and adventures me and the kids take! Hopefully you'll consider checking it out when I start it here soon! Be well -Shane
Enjoyed the video. Liked and subscribed. Wasn't a fan of the intro and outro as I'm not one for loud and obnoxious trying-to-hard type stuff. But all the content in between was great. I liked what you had to say and I got the impression you are a real person with no BS. For the record I am #989 on the MacMulkin Z06 list and #390 on the Eray list. It will be one or the other and I'm leaning towards the Eray. The only advantage of the Z06 IMO is the lighter weight and that glorious engine sound. But as an every day car that E-ray can't be beat. Love the AWD versatility, has the same widebody, the CCB's and it's darn quick!
Hi Kevin, Thanks for reaching out, and for the sub! Sorry you don't like the intro/outro. I keep it short (~5 seconds for each), and it purposefully is to give a similar look and feel to my videos. If you hit the right arrow once on your keyboard (if you watch on PC) it should be enough to skip the intro, and you can always stop watching before the end if the outro bothers you. I don't believe I'm trying-too-hard, but am sorry if you feel differently. I appreciate the compliments on the content. You've hit upon my main goal for my videos. Be honest, lead with facts/data, and call out when I'm sharing opinion versus fact. Oh, and avoid clickbait as much as possible, and don't have sensational headlines/thumbnails that I don't follow through on. Congrats on being on both lists! I'm only on the Z06 one, but who knows, when the time comes and my number gets called, if they offer a switch to the E-Ray....I'd definitely consider it. I don't see much downside TBH. Have a nice day, and thanks for saying hi! -Fred
Fred, great presentation as usual. I am probably one of the few that is disappointed in GM's design of the E-Ray as a performance vs. battery-assisted economical C8. I certainly agree with you that GM has a huge price gap between the ST and E-Ray that a Grand Sport wold fit in nicely. Especially for those of us that do not need or want 655 hp and a 0-60 time of 2.5 seconds. My 19 GS provides all of the excitement and joy I could want. I would certainly consider replacing it with a C8 GS. Given your comments about a new garage and different vehicles to play with, I suggest you skip the Z06 and go for the garage and different toys. Good luck.
Thanks Art, I appreciate it! Honestly I'm pleased that a few people have supported that I may not get a Z06, despite how long I've been talking about the car, been excited for it, and been on a list. I'll love the car still, no matter what, but in my heart, I think I'm with you on having more fun with a garage and more toys, rather than all my money tied up in one toy. Have a great day! -Fred
My biggest problem with the E Ray is the range on electric mode. I understand the combination of gas and gas increases the hp and quickness. For that reason I would select the Z06. To of your comment on your thoughts about the future of your C7. I would build the garage for the C7 and the Z06. Make the garage as big as you can and that includes the interior height. My five car is about three years old and I am already running out of space. I enjoy your video's.
Hi George, Thanks for reaching out! I appreciate the compliments, as well as the perspective on the garage! Re: the range on the full electric mode, don't worry too much, I expect there may be more "plug in hybrid" and definitely full EV Corvettes in the C9 range, and maybe even near the end of the C8 range (though it's all just speculation right now). Have a nice day! -Fred
I doubt this adds any insight but I see your plight as I'm on the opposite end of your situation. I have my 3 car garage with a lift that holds my 88 porsche 944 that is almost done becoming a 948 with a c5 5.7L ls1 swap in it 5sp manual. And have my daily as scion frs with many mods including a turbo also 5 spd. As such I've done my big conversion project and having a flat plane crank bought beauty next to my builds would really round it out. Have to say, I think your channel and your novelty/fun factor would seriously go up with garage /lift(s) / more projects and besides you're keeping c7 GS no mater what. Can't lose there.
Hi Wheeler! Thanks for reaching out. I really do think this adds insight (and is helpful)! The more I think about it, the more I realize that I truly do need more space for fun cars (with a Z or not), and agree that having multiple different fun cars seems like a great route to go. Big congrats on having that kind of space already, and a stable of awesome cars! Any pics of the 948? :) Would love to hear more about the swap, challenges you ran into, honestly anything you want to share. Feel free to drop me a line at fredsfullthrottle@gmail.com. I'd even be interested in sharing the story of it on the channel if you provide enough info/pics. I'm really interested in doing something cool like that when I build the garage, and see projects like that as inspiration! I do agree that having a spectrum of cars sounds like the best of all worlds. I'm with you on having more space, some lifts, and actually doing some work/customization/builds seems like a good direction to go. First, for fun/enjoyment for me, but also for everyone who watches to follow along, and be a part of the journey! Haha, your comment started out sounding like you didn't think you had much to add, but honestly, comments like this are frequently the most helpful (for me to sort out my thoughts/ideas), as well as the most interesting for me. I appreciate you taking the time! Have a nice day, and thanks again! -Fred
@@FredsFullThrottle super kind comments Fred and appreciate the lengthy response. Gonna take you up on your offer to send you a big book and loaded with build pics and insights on how the 948 project's adventures have been. Cheers! 🍺
I love my C-7 Callaway GS that you featured on your Channel. I have been very tempted by the C-8 E-Ray but I agree with you that a C-7 is a better looking car and I would definitely miss my 7 speed. I too am currently planning and permitting a new garage (and plan to add a lift.) Maybe in 2024 after the garage is built I can consider another toy; but for now, I need to focus on a place to keep another car. You seem to be have the same priorities as me at the moment, so I agree with your thinking!
Great to hear from you! Also nice to hear you're working on a similar plan/project! Once you have your plans or drawings, feel free to email me, would love to see what you're intending! I can send you some info on what I currently have surveyed/drafted. Maybe we can compare notes/ideas! Have a nice day! -Fred
My garage is limited to 14 feet width due to the 10 foot side-setback of my property; but it will be 22 feet in depth and include a lift. I'm building a guest bedroom above with a balcony to the back (to enjoy the golf course view.) The lift is a sled type lift made by Auto Stacker. The lift allows access for oil changes and broadly distributes the load on the garage floor slab rather than point loading the slab (which occurs with 2 or 4 post lifts.) I'll send you the plan.
@@7gear642 Sounds like a great location (by the golf course!). Like you, I have to work within some property boundary constraints, but I think I'll be able to get away with something like 28wide by 30deep. I'll have to re-run the quotes, and see. I was torn between single bay vs double, but obvious preference being double. I'm leaning towards a Bendpak 4 post on one side, and then over time if I need a second lift, I'd consider a 2 post for working on cars without weight on the suspension. Have a nice day! - Fred
Hey Ryan, Thanks for the kind words! I'm also very pleased with it, and video doesn't capture how good it looks. I wish there was a way to show how crisp it looks in real life. :) Re: the Z06 reservation. I appreciate the offer, but have to pass. Were there a way to help you or other subscribers get the car sooner, even at the expense of my own reservation, without it negatively impacting others farther back in line, I would. The problem is that many have waited similar amounts of time that I have, and I don't think it would be fair to them for someone to skip the end of the line. Kind of the same idea that I wouldn't buy the car, just to flip it. I know some people are making silly money on the car doing that (who knows if 2-3 years from now it'll command any kind of premium), but as someone who frequently speaks out against flippers, gougers, dealer markups, and similar, I can't in good conscience gouge anyone. Even though it might make me money, I personally don't feel it would be the right thing to do. I hope you understand, and please know that if I could help others without a downside, I would do it in a heartbeat, but I can't figure out a way that that could happen. Hope that makes sense. Reputation as they say, is like fine china, once damaged, it's very hard to repair. Anyway, hope you have a nice day! -Fred
@@FredsFullThrottle Thanks for the reply! The reason I asked this question is because there does not appear to be a control visible on the center console like I have on my C8 2020 HTC with the Auto Front Lift option in any of the videos. Are you sure the E Ray will have the Auto Front Lift as an option? Thanks again!
Where are you getting your weight data? Released was 3,780 pounds, 18.5 gallons of 93 octane weighs 112.85 pounds, where are you getting over 3966?? That is sans 74 pounds. I do love your video though! The brake bias torque vectoring is brilliant and the physics is quite fascinating! It’s also quite evident as to WHY the CCB were added with the mechanism of recharge with “charge+” mode and the need to recharge through braking. Definitely subscribed. Side note, I am number 3-5 on my local list for am ERay. :)
Hi Scott, Thanks for reaching out, and I appreciate the sub! I got mine directly from the press kit info from Chevy, as well as MT: www.motortrend.com/news/2024-chevrolet-corvette-e-ray-hybrid-awd-weight/#:~:text=The%20drop%2Dtop%20version%20of,3%2C890%20pounds%2C%20according%20to%20Chevy. Apologies if I misquoted, though I'm wondering if all other fluids (coolant, transmission fluid, oil, etc..) could add to that? One quick clarification, the CCB's don't contribute to the regen on the braking. If you haven't driven a performance hybrid or EV before (I don't know your background so apologies if you have), regen doesn't involve the mechanical brakes at all. Instead, the driveline is still connected to the electric motors, which put resistance on the drivetrain to slow the car (by spinning the electric motor). When an electric motor doesn't have power introduced to it from the power source (battery/capacitor/etc...), it actually generates power via induction (the motor's magnets spinning relative to the wire coils inside the outer housing, turning the kinetic energy of the car into current by spinning the motor). I'm oversimplifying a bit, but that's the gist of it. When you press on the brakes (in an EV or performance hybrid), in most applications, what happens *first* is regen is used. So the electric motor is allowed to freewheel (more or less). The amount of resistance that the motor puts against the drivetrain/wheels (IE, how much regen stopping power), is controlled by how much power is introduced to the system by the battery. If you want full regen, no (or almost no) electricity is introduced by the battery. The more power introduced, the less resistance the motor provides, and the less is regenerated. In cars I've driven with such a system, the first "x percent" of pedal travel feels a bit different than normal brakes, but after a little bit, you acclimate to it. Through this point, the actual brake calipers in the car do not touch the rotors. However, press the pedal further, and (depending on the car), you enter a "hybrid" brake mode, where you may be getting full regen, as well as some additional "help" from the brakes. Not all cars have this. Press harder still (or if a car doesn't have the above intermediate mode), you switch over to full brake. No regen is developed, and you get maximum braking force, completely from the brakes. To my knowledge (which may not be complete), I think most EV's operate this way, as well as some performance hybrids. Regen has limits as most motors have a maximum operating RPM, which is why beyond a certain point they have the "brake only" mode. My read on charge plus is that it is just a "maximum regen" mode for the E-Ray. Tesla's and other EV's/hybrids have adjustable regen as well, though in this car versus them, it sounds like regen is tied to the pedal, rather than available as a "lift off" option where letting go of the gas causes regen and slowdown, for true one pedal driving. Anyway, sorry for the novel there, but hope that clarifies! Also, congrats on the low number with your local dealership! Have a nice day! -Fred
I concur … I rather have the Eray over the Z06 - I have a GT3 Manual as my sports car. The C8 is comfortable and gets reasonably good gas mileage. Great for a road trip or going out to dinner and it can smoke most cars in a straight line. In Rapid Blue please
Nice job blasphemier....I get the keeping the manual. My thoughts are get the Z06, keep the C7, when you figure out the Z06 shifts like a mad man you can sell the C7. I never saw a Z06 until I received my car. It is the best looking vette in my opinion. It's a supercar. I really think there may be a problem with the Z06. The timing and numbers of the Eray are very suspicious. Why drop the car now. Right when they are starting to build the Z. That might be a good video. No one has discussed it. I need a weekly Fred video. Do a short 5 min on the off week. Change your shirt and do a piggyback off of Wikipedia. Thanks Fred. I really did miss the channel.
Hi Thereissomecoolstuff! Always nice to hear from you! I'm thrilled you got your car! Sounds like you like it! If you have time, please drop me an email, would love to hear your impressions. :) I do agree that production capacity seems to be one of the biggest challenges right now, and unless they drop the standard C8 production numbers, they're going to be way out on fulfilling orders for the Z or E-ray's. I've touched on it in a prior video or two, but I don't have much data to go on for diving in deep on it. I appreciate the support and appreciate that the every other week format isn't scratching that itch. What I will tell you is that I do plan to have a few out-of-band videos come out this year (once driving season starts), to fill in that gap. I can't manage it frequently (I'm busier than I've ever been in my life with work, lemons, personal life, travel, etc...), but I'll do my best. Either way, I do really appreciate that you enjoy my videos so much, that means a lot! Heh, if I ever "hit it big" and can do this full time, the frequency would be at least weekly, if not twice per week! Here's wishing/hoping for someday! Have a nice day! -Fred
@@FredsFullThrottle thanks for the long reply Fred. I'm at Ron Fellows this weekend for the second time. Next stop is Porsche rental in Georgia featured on your channel. Keep up the great work.. I really appreciate your effort.
@@thereissomecoolstuff That's awesome! If at all possible (though you may have PEC reservations already), definitely show up early so you can explore at your own pace. Also, let me know how it goes, I'm sure you'll love it! :) -Fred
Hi Paul, Let's agree to disagree about what's most important. That first statement isn't confirmed or stated by Chevy as far as I'm aware, just speculation by people which isn't something I'm going to give oxygen to. It may turn out to be right, but I've seen many similar claims about the Z06, and so far most of them have been wrong. The second point isn't true at MacMulkin, which I mention right at the start, they only do MSRP on new Corvettes, full stop. The line currently isn't that long, so it's still possible to be early in the allocations. I started my video with that statement, one of the first things I mentioned, but I digress. Have a nice day, -Fred
@@FredsFullThrottle not driving 8hrs to NH to buy a car. 1 dealer,,,,LOL, the 3 by my house all said 12-18mos and 10G over list even for a 1LT. Which is why i walked onto a ford dealers lot 30min from my house and bought a brand new '22 mach 1 for sticker. I already own a '71 and '96 vettes. Just for shits n giggles go look up production numbers for those years vs what bowling green is producing now.....with all that assembly line tech, GM can't even reach half the production numbers they did 30, 40, 50+ yrs ago.......just sad, they deserve to go under.
@@paulmarino8810 Funny stuff! First off, you wouldn't drive a mere 8 hours to save $10k? Secondly, have you heard of something called delivery? Also, MacMulkin is not the only MSRP dealer, there are several. Regarding your Mach1, you shouldn't have paid sticker, you could've ordered one for 4% under invoice. To be clear, Not 4% under MSRP...4% under invoice. I know as I ordered 2 of them. If you had any idea what you were doing you would've known that and saved about $5k, but then again, if it were a few hours away you might have to come to the conclusion, as a financial genius, that wouldn't be worth it. LMAO.
Another thoughtful, sensation free segment - thanks Fred! Also really like the new lighted sign 👍🏻
Thanks Bill, I appreciate it! That sign really pops, the video doesn't even pick it up very well, it looks so much better in person!
Side note, that sign will be going up in the garage once I build it, on the back wall over the new filming area. Still a ways out, but that's the plan!
Have a nice day Bill!
-Fred
Fred is 100% right on all of the Click Bait Corvette RUclips channels
Thanks Ken,
I find it quite frustrating. TBH I don't watch or follow more than one or two Vette channels for exactly that reason. In fact, a big part of what motivated me to cover Corvette's more directly last year, was because I couldn't get simple, honest, fact based info that I was curious about. I was like, "well, if I'm already getting the info myself, why not share with others?".
I appreciate the support!
Have a nice day!
-Fred
He’s spot on 👍
Awesome Fred! Stay away from
brink of speed guys!
Thank you for explaining the 5 mile limit for stealth mode. E-Ray rocks!
My pleasure, have a nice day! - Fred
HOW does ONLY 5 Miles in EV mode “ Rock “ ❓ , Are you Insane 😂
@@Brooks22n I don't think Tony was saying specifically that the 5 mile limit rocks. I think he was saying he loves the car, and appreciated me (separately) explaining the 5 mile limit. For those who want further EV range, I'm sure that will come with other cars, but again, the E-Ray is a performance hybrid, specifically not intended as an efficiency hybrid.
@@Brooks22n You sound like you are comparing the E-Ray to a Tesla, in which case that would be a faulty comparison. 5 miles of Stealth Mode is an added bonus to the E-Ray that already rocks. It also affords you the comfort of not waking up neighbors in those tight communities. If a fully EV Corvette comes out, I will not buy it. So enjoy your Tesla and pro tip: don't park it in your garage. 🚒🚔
Fred
Build your garage as soon as you possible can, it will be something you can enjoy with just one car or more, that’s how I started out and really enjoy it
Then I started adding heaters and AC as I could afford it
Now I have a lift and additional sports car
Keep up the great job
😊
Thanks Bill!
That's where my head is at, and honestly that "feels" like the right choice. There'll always be time to buy more cars, but having a great garage space to store them, as well as a lift for working on them and doing some fun projects to me seems like the best bang for the buck. I really appreciate the support and perspective. You don't know how much comments like yours really help me feel more confident in a choice like that. Thanks again!
Have a great day, nice to hear from you!
-Fred
Fred,
Did you see the C&D Lightening Lap for the Z06? It was posted on the MECF. An amazing 2:38.6 which is only 0.2 of a second behind the McLaren 765LT.
I did, in fact planning to cover that in the next video. What an impressive time! For 1/4 the cost! lol
Nice to hear from you Sully!
-Fred
My Z06 order is in as of last week but had to drop aero, museum delivery about April so I'll be at the museum twice in April, again for the bash. Hope to see you there. Rapid blue, 3lz, htc, with 2 tone blue, carbon level 2, and several other goodies, 149,040. Was 159,900 with aero. I will be adding carbon aero bits later. Have a good weekend.
That's awesome, congrats!
Unfortunately I don't think I can make it in April, got a lot going on personally that is taking large chunks of my time (nothing bad, just busy). But I'll be interested to hear how the whole experience is, see pictures, and get your impressions of the car! :) I do want to get to the Bash or Corvettes of Carlisle at some point, I just don't know when I can make that happen. Trust me, when I go, I'll announce it on the channel and setup a way to coordinate with anyone who wants to say hi!
Have a nice day, congrats again on the order being in!
-Fred
@@FredsFullThrottle thank you
The sign is remarkably nice. I don't think he could have done it better...I have done a little sign work myself though not neon.
MacMulkin didn't help me much on the reservation even though having been on the "interest list" for close to a year. Everyone got the same notice and chance to charge out of the gate at the same time. I'm far back on the Z06 list but disappointed that the E-Ray is virtually the same price despite, heavier, outside exhaust, no high wing option (if you want it), summer tires extra if not the carbon flash trim as well. Of course the less exotic engine. I will say I like the wheels more than I expected and it would be nice to cruise to Starbucks or downtown on battery power.
Fred, it sounds like you have a car that makes you happy and the garage would provide some real utility you would like to have. Maybe keep the slot at MM but when the time comes, ask if they might push you to the back of the bus and see what things look like then. By that time, you may have found other interests or see a market change or by good fortune found your way to get that new Corvette.
Awesome sign, love it.
Thanks man! I don't recall, do you have a logo for your channel? I don't think I saw one in any of the recent videos I've watched. If you do, zanvis did a great job of translating my logo into LED. It was about $340 for the sign for 30" wide, and 13" tall.
Have a nice day man!
-Fred
@@FredsFullThrottle your sign makes me wish I had a logo :) May have to work on that.
Fred - thanks for another engaging, thoughtful video. I didn't learn anything new about E-Ray but that may have to do with my obsessive interest in it culminating with putting a deposit down at MM on Wednesday! As always, looking forward to more.
Hahaha, that's great about the reservation Bill! Consider me your "fact checker", so you've really done your homework to have not learned anything! It took me a bit to pull this together, especially since I'm not planning on one for myself (though I'm still excited about the car).
Have a nice day and nice to hear from you!
-Fred
@@FredsFullThrottle I heard from Shane at MM. I've got #161 for an E-Ray. That's 2000 slots ahead of my Z06 place there!
@@billlemon6887 That's awesome, congrats! That sounds like maybe even a first year car! :)
Keep your manual!
Traded my 2019 manual GS for a 2022 Stingray.
Now I want to go and buy a C7 manual too.
C8 Stingray, even with manual paddle shifting still lacks driver engagement with the car. Thanks for all the great content!
This is really helpful to hear, and exactly what has been lingering in my mind. Thanks for sending this Scott, and the kind words!
-Fred
Hey Fred- Nice job, as always. I think you're on the mark with the ERay. My biggest issue with my C7Z is traction, it has been since day one. ERay uniquely solves that issue. I would have liked to see 2 separate motors in the front, but with computer technology and CCB, I'm confident that GM can make it hook up. I think this is the go-to car for anyone who is not tracking the car. I have 2 issues/ questions. Does anyone have thoughts on battery life?? And in the GM ads I've heard them talking about it as a Touring Coupe, so I'm wondering if they won't warranty track use?. One last thing, I hear a semi-reliable rumor that MacMulkin is getting +/- 20 Z06's a month. Let's up they can up that number, and have enough bodies for the ERay :)
Fred,
Firstly, kudos for calling out all the "click-bait" videos. Like you I am getting sick of that and when I see something that on the surface sounds over-the-top I will not watch the video.
Regarding to E-Ray, I think it is the better option for the street, so for those who will not track the Z06 that is the way to go.
I put down my deposit for the Z06 Sep 2020 and as you know at MSRP. I was #244, now #161. Since my primary purpose is getting back to Road Atlanta, I am even more excited after see Lightening Laps where the Z06 was faster than the ZR1. However, if I was in your shoes with a C7 I love, plus having an outlet for racing with a team for 24 hour events, I may use that $100K+++ elsewhere like you discussed.
Sully
My Z06 order is in, I'm wondering if 24 production will start in July. You could end up with late 23 but maybe a 24 for sure. I don't think they'll be much difference besides the 3 color changes. MacMulkin is on point as usual.
@@vettesweetnos Firstly, congrats on getting your Z06 order placed! I would assume July for the 2024. My biggest concern is the shortage of the Z07 pkg which I want.
Thanks. I would have liked the wing also but I'm going to just add the splitter and skirts when they're available. I didn't want the cup2r or stiffer suspension though.
@@vettesweetnos I understand the Cup 2 R tires for the track. What I do not understand is forcing customers who want the Z07 to buy those tires. Seems reckless for GM to mandate this especially when they know they are a risk. I will take them off as soon as I drive home, then put them on for track days. Since I am doing NCM delivery, I need to see if they can swap them out and ship the Cup 2 R tires to me.
Hey Sully,
Thanks for the support, and the insight. I'll always love the Z (regardless of what I do), but with my ideal build coming in at ~$137k, there's a lot of fun I could have by splitting that up. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Thankfully though, I feel a bit relieved that I've decided to keep the C7. It's so wonderful, and my track itch will be scratched with the Lemons team. I will keep everyone posted, but I appreciate you saying you'd consider the same. I haven't been real confident about how the ideas would be received, especially on a Corvette-heavy channel like mine, but it's nice to know that it won't alienate everyone if I decide not to get it. :)
Have a nice day!
-Fred
Fantastic Information Fred.
Love the sign!
I’m glad you’re Living The Dream!
Clearly, you’re making the right decision to keep the Grand Sport!
You love the Manual Transmission as well as the car it’s mated too! I think it will be a very sad day if you ever part with that G.S.
I had made a decision not to try to get an ERAY, now you’re giving me second thoughts!
Perhaps I won’t get on the list at MacMulkin, I informed my local dealership that I’m interested in an ERAY.
The Corvette Specialist told me I’m the first to inquire about an ERAY so I’ll see if they call me and I’ll need to make a decision! Supposedly they are selling at MSRP.
Fred
Another great job on your podcast
Sorry it took me so long to respond
I am not a E-Ray guy
Old school for me, but you content was excellent
Thanks again for sharing
No worries at all on the reply! Totally hear you about the car not being the right fit for you. I find that even for cars I'm not personally going to own, or trying to buy, I'm usually still interested in learning a bit about them. Hoping this video filled in those gaps, even if it's not your cup of tea!
Thanks for saying hi, and the nice compliments!
-Fred
Keep up the good analysis. Like you, I appreciate the Porsches and C8s. My track days are over so I changed my order to an Eray, see how well it will compare to my 992 Turbo S at 1/2 the price.
Thanks Dan! When my Z06 number gets called (2-3 years out), if they offer an E-Ray changeover, I will strongly consider it. The car seems to check a bunch of boxes for me.
Congrats on the Turbo S. Money no object, that is my favorite car after I tried one at PEC ATL last Spring. I'd sell a lot of things for one, maybe someday!
Have a nice day!
-Fred
@@FredsFullThrottle I love the turbo S but I’d like my GT 4, 2022 more. More fun to drive, 1/2 the price. Keep up the good work.
@@danjensen7483 Oh man, that GT4 is amazing as well! Definitely a car in my top 5 list from Porsche. Congrats on having both! If you ever *had* to part with your Turbo and needed someone to take it, I'd happily accept. You know, to help out a friend in need. :)
J/K, I'll earn one the old fashioned way someday. I'm hopeful that used P-car prices will soften a bit, and that my savings will grow as my income grows, and eventually I can get a used one, though realistically I've been eyeing older Boxsters for a fun project car, and don't think I can go wrong there. I got a lot of seat time in my Mom's old 986 years ago, and would be happy with one of those, or a 987 or 981. Sounds like I better build that garage first though!
@@FredsFullThrottle Can’t sell the Turbo, my wife says that’s her baby. She rarely lets me drive it. Luckily I do enjoy the GT 4 more, it’s just plain fun.
You did it again Fred! Another great honesty video about what we really want to hear about! If you could possible, do a video on what the ZR1 will be or what you've heard about. Thestraightpipes mentioned in their e-ray video that it won't be boosted but everyone thinks it will be. Also possible the ZORA will be all-electric instead of turbo hybrid
Thanks Nam!
I appreciate the kind words!
I'll make you a deal. I will cover anything I hear on the ZR1, once it gets past the rumor mill phase. Rewind a year or two ago, and that's sort of what the E-Ray or Z06 was as well. If you look back at some of the statements that many made "as fact", many of them turned out to be way off base. Since I try to be as accurate/truthful as possible, I've stayed away from even mentioning the car, because nothing is really known about it (or the Zora). I'm sure as you alluded to with TheStraightPipes (very nice guys btw!, I've chatted a little with them a while ago online), when you're at an event and can talk to the engineers, you likely get a bit more "unofficial" info than people like me. I saw those same comments, but can't really comment on them because I have no idea how true (or not) they may be. Though of Jacob/Yuri actually got that from the engineers, then I'd say it's likely pretty accurate. :)
Have a nice day, nice to hear from you!
-Fred
Love your thoughts on the possibility of a grand sport c8 , that would truly intrigue me !
I’m on the same page , I love my C7 , when I do jump in on the c8 , I’m going to keep my C7 . I think it would be great to have the front and rear engine models !
Absolutely agree Bill! Now, if I can just find a way to pay for the C8Z without having to free up money with the C7...
If I can swing it, that would be awesome. In the meantime I'm going to keep saving! :)
Have a nice day!
-Fred
Awww...Yeah... It's Fredday Again...ha ha ha!
Fred,
As always, well done on the video's content and presentation my friend! Love that I spotted your new neon sign before you mentioned it! It looks great and they have done an amazing job with it, so kudo's!
I believe the E-Ray is going to be a phenomenal performance car/hybrid. It's interesting to think about this performance sports car hybrid and some people's online comments mentioning it's hybrid range isn't far enough 🤦
I just love the fact that I was concerned about the possibility of losing its hybrid performance feature during track time or very spirited driving situations. Then GM releases the information about, the safety features built-in which will never allow the loss of the AWD during those situations as the batteries will never drain below a certain% so the performance will be there! Anyway, you know my take from my most excellent experience at Macmulkin's overnight E-Ray allocation tailgate party...ha ha ha!
So about your car and garage situation! Build your garage my friend! The value to your house will grow and the use of it is greatly needed!
Your options for track car builds are many and you can always adjust your plans over time while waiting for your Z06 allocation to hit!
It was great meeting up with you in person and thanks for being exactly the same person on camera as in real life❗
Be well
-Shane
Thanks again man, and the feeling is mutual! Was great meeting you and getting some time to catch up!
Have a nice day, enjoy that warm Florida air, it was -12 this morning when I woke up! lol
-Fred
Hi Shane
Good Luck with the great opportunity you have to get an early ERAY!!!
#24 should be a great place in line.
My Stingray just had a 1 year old Birthday 2/14/2023.
I’m thinking about an ERAY but as you and Fred know, my health may play a part in making a decision.
I was thinking about getting in line at MM, but supposedly I’m #1 in line at my local dealership where I got my Stingray. That is, if I can believe the Corvette Salesperson and the dealership gets an ERAY allocation.
They even said they will sell at MSRP. I guess when/if the time comes, we’ll see!
Question for you?
Do you have any idea how long CCBs will last?
You know, the expectation a person has doing regular driving, not a lot of abuse on CCBs, but typical daily driving?
Noteworthy, is that living in PA, we have a “Driving Season”. Once winter hits in November or December the PA DOT and Township Highway Department start putting stones, salt and anti-skid material on the roads and that lasts until Cleanup in April or May…. Stones are pretty much gone from the roads!
The thought of replacing those CCBs at what I recently heard at around $20,000 is frightening.
In fact, some are saying that the CCBs have a lot of screech to them and the unsprung weight isn’t going to be that noticeable. Any thoughts on that?
Kerry/Doug
👍👍👍👍
What do you (Fred) think if you also read this? Just saw your Vlog Installment of Fred Day 2/17/2023
Love You Guys & Your Passion for Corvettes
Shane, I’ll see you on BOS & HPO & FFT
Thanks
@@kerry_glock Hey great to hear from you for sure!
I don't have any documents, nor have I done any research into this topic heavily, but from my understanding, the CCB's are almost a lifetime style brake system for most Corvette owners "normal usage".
Heavy daily driving and track usage would wear on them for sure, but under normal typical Corvette driving conditions, they should last with no problems.
Added driving, spirited driving, and occasional track days, like my intended use of the car will be, I expect the pads will need to be changed out more often, but the rotors should last!
I do some detailed research for a better answer, unless Fred jumps in with his wealth of knowlege!
Be well and good hearing from you!
-Shane
@@Hangin_With_Shane I consider Fred a good buddy of mine. Even if it is just through his channel and I email him about stuff.
I sure hope to get a chance to meet both of you some day.
If my health permits, I hope to get to Carlisle on Friday this year. I’d also like to meet the BOS & the HPO Guys!
Geez, I live in PA about 120 miles away and haven’t been to Corvettes at Carlisle in over 10 years. The last 4 years due to my illness and Covid have prevented my travel.
Hope I am well enough in August. I need to get a buddy to ride with me!
Wish you good luck in getting the ERAY. Will you transport it or drive it home?
I will be looking forward to your comments!
I can only imagine the fast acceleration of 2.5 seconds or maybe even better. Neck snapping for sure, you’ll need that headrest
If you take delivery at MM, I imagine you will notify Fred and meet him there.
Keep counting 👍👍👍👍s
@@kerry_glock well I'm sorry to hear about your health concerns/issues my friend!
I will definitely be attending the NCM Bash and Carlisle this year! If you can make the drive, I can introduce you to Mike BOS, Justin HPO, Jason Front Seat Driver, and Steve Protective Dad Pranks from our Monday night Lives!
We always love mingling with other RUclipsrs, their subscribers, and having a good time!
I've decided to skip my Stingray allocation scheduled for this spring/summer time frame. I'm going to wait for my E-Ray allocation to arrive instead!
I will be doing the Museum delivery option. Then cruising out to PA for Justin and Blackout Tinting work to begin...ha ha ha!
You can find an inexpensive hotel around Carlisle like I did last year. It's worth the drive and you'll have a blast meeting everyone!
I think I'll be starting my own RUclips channel too! Hanging With Shane! It will be more of a Vlog style with cars, vehicle's, trips, and adventures me and the kids take! Hopefully you'll consider checking it out when I start it here soon!
Be well
-Shane
Enjoyed the video. Liked and subscribed. Wasn't a fan of the intro and outro as I'm not one for loud and obnoxious trying-to-hard type stuff. But all the content in between was great. I liked what you had to say and I got the impression you are a real person with no BS. For the record I am #989 on the MacMulkin Z06 list and #390 on the Eray list. It will be one or the other and I'm leaning towards the Eray. The only advantage of the Z06 IMO is the lighter weight and that glorious engine sound. But as an every day car that E-ray can't be beat. Love the AWD versatility, has the same widebody, the CCB's and it's darn quick!
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for reaching out, and for the sub! Sorry you don't like the intro/outro. I keep it short (~5 seconds for each), and it purposefully is to give a similar look and feel to my videos. If you hit the right arrow once on your keyboard (if you watch on PC) it should be enough to skip the intro, and you can always stop watching before the end if the outro bothers you. I don't believe I'm trying-too-hard, but am sorry if you feel differently.
I appreciate the compliments on the content. You've hit upon my main goal for my videos. Be honest, lead with facts/data, and call out when I'm sharing opinion versus fact. Oh, and avoid clickbait as much as possible, and don't have sensational headlines/thumbnails that I don't follow through on.
Congrats on being on both lists! I'm only on the Z06 one, but who knows, when the time comes and my number gets called, if they offer a switch to the E-Ray....I'd definitely consider it. I don't see much downside TBH.
Have a nice day, and thanks for saying hi!
-Fred
Fred, great presentation as usual. I am probably one of the few that is disappointed in GM's design of the E-Ray as a performance vs. battery-assisted economical C8. I certainly agree with you that GM has a huge price gap between the ST and E-Ray that a Grand Sport wold fit in nicely. Especially for those of us that do not need or want 655 hp and a 0-60 time of 2.5 seconds. My 19 GS provides all of the excitement and joy I could want. I would certainly consider replacing it with a C8 GS.
Given your comments about a new garage and different vehicles to play with, I suggest you skip the Z06 and go for the garage and different toys. Good luck.
Thanks Art, I appreciate it! Honestly I'm pleased that a few people have supported that I may not get a Z06, despite how long I've been talking about the car, been excited for it, and been on a list. I'll love the car still, no matter what, but in my heart, I think I'm with you on having more fun with a garage and more toys, rather than all my money tied up in one toy.
Have a great day!
-Fred
My biggest problem with the E Ray is the range on electric mode. I understand the combination of gas and gas increases the hp and quickness. For that reason I would select the Z06. To of your comment on your thoughts about the future of your C7. I would build the garage for the C7 and the Z06. Make the garage as big as you can and that includes the interior height. My five car is about three years old and I am already running out of space. I enjoy your video's.
E-Ray was not designed to compete with Tesla type EVs. E-ray is perfect for those who do not want a plug-in battery.
Hi George,
Thanks for reaching out! I appreciate the compliments, as well as the perspective on the garage!
Re: the range on the full electric mode, don't worry too much, I expect there may be more "plug in hybrid" and definitely full EV Corvettes in the C9 range, and maybe even near the end of the C8 range (though it's all just speculation right now).
Have a nice day!
-Fred
I doubt this adds any insight but I see your plight as I'm on the opposite end of your situation. I have my 3 car garage with a lift that holds my 88 porsche 944 that is almost done becoming a 948 with a c5 5.7L ls1 swap in it 5sp manual. And have my daily as scion frs with many mods including a turbo also 5 spd.
As such I've done my big conversion project and having a flat plane crank bought beauty next to my builds would really round it out.
Have to say, I think your channel and your novelty/fun factor would seriously go up with garage /lift(s) / more projects and besides you're keeping c7 GS no mater what. Can't lose there.
Hi Wheeler!
Thanks for reaching out. I really do think this adds insight (and is helpful)! The more I think about it, the more I realize that I truly do need more space for fun cars (with a Z or not), and agree that having multiple different fun cars seems like a great route to go. Big congrats on having that kind of space already, and a stable of awesome cars! Any pics of the 948? :) Would love to hear more about the swap, challenges you ran into, honestly anything you want to share. Feel free to drop me a line at fredsfullthrottle@gmail.com. I'd even be interested in sharing the story of it on the channel if you provide enough info/pics. I'm really interested in doing something cool like that when I build the garage, and see projects like that as inspiration!
I do agree that having a spectrum of cars sounds like the best of all worlds. I'm with you on having more space, some lifts, and actually doing some work/customization/builds seems like a good direction to go. First, for fun/enjoyment for me, but also for everyone who watches to follow along, and be a part of the journey!
Haha, your comment started out sounding like you didn't think you had much to add, but honestly, comments like this are frequently the most helpful (for me to sort out my thoughts/ideas), as well as the most interesting for me. I appreciate you taking the time!
Have a nice day, and thanks again!
-Fred
@@FredsFullThrottle super kind comments Fred and appreciate the lengthy response.
Gonna take you up on your offer to send you a big book and loaded with build pics and insights on how the 948 project's adventures have been. Cheers! 🍺
@@wheeleroharrow6501 Awesome, looking forward to learning more about it!
I love my C-7 Callaway GS that you featured on your Channel. I have been very tempted by the C-8 E-Ray but I agree with you that a C-7 is a better looking car and I would definitely miss my 7 speed. I too am currently planning and permitting a new garage (and plan to add a lift.) Maybe in 2024 after the garage is built I can consider another toy; but for now, I need to focus on a place to keep another car. You seem to be have the same priorities as me at the moment, so I agree with your thinking!
Great to hear from you! Also nice to hear you're working on a similar plan/project! Once you have your plans or drawings, feel free to email me, would love to see what you're intending! I can send you some info on what I currently have surveyed/drafted. Maybe we can compare notes/ideas!
Have a nice day!
-Fred
My garage is limited to 14 feet width due to the 10 foot side-setback of my property; but it will be 22 feet in depth and include a lift. I'm building a guest bedroom above with a balcony to the back (to enjoy the golf course view.) The lift is a sled type lift made by Auto Stacker. The lift allows access for oil changes and broadly distributes the load on the garage floor slab rather than point loading the slab (which occurs with 2 or 4 post lifts.) I'll send you the plan.
@@7gear642 Sounds like a great location (by the golf course!). Like you, I have to work within some property boundary constraints, but I think I'll be able to get away with something like 28wide by 30deep. I'll have to re-run the quotes, and see. I was torn between single bay vs double, but obvious preference being double. I'm leaning towards a Bendpak 4 post on one side, and then over time if I need a second lift, I'd consider a 2 post for working on cars without weight on the suspension.
Have a nice day! - Fred
Very cool sign. I need something for my man cave. If you're no longer in the Z06 market and are thinking of going another route, can I buy your spot?
Hey Ryan,
Thanks for the kind words! I'm also very pleased with it, and video doesn't capture how good it looks. I wish there was a way to show how crisp it looks in real life. :)
Re: the Z06 reservation. I appreciate the offer, but have to pass. Were there a way to help you or other subscribers get the car sooner, even at the expense of my own reservation, without it negatively impacting others farther back in line, I would. The problem is that many have waited similar amounts of time that I have, and I don't think it would be fair to them for someone to skip the end of the line. Kind of the same idea that I wouldn't buy the car, just to flip it. I know some people are making silly money on the car doing that (who knows if 2-3 years from now it'll command any kind of premium), but as someone who frequently speaks out against flippers, gougers, dealer markups, and similar, I can't in good conscience gouge anyone. Even though it might make me money, I personally don't feel it would be the right thing to do.
I hope you understand, and please know that if I could help others without a downside, I would do it in a heartbeat, but I can't figure out a way that that could happen. Hope that makes sense.
Reputation as they say, is like fine china, once damaged, it's very hard to repair.
Anyway, hope you have a nice day!
-Fred
Wonderful insight on the Eray. Eray is the quickest corvette ever. I want one ! Thanks Fred
My pleasure, nice to hear from you Jonathan!
Have a nice weekend!
-Fred
I think I’m first👍up buddy!
Hey Fred, Will the E Ray have the Auto Lift option? Does anyone know? Thanks
Hi Curious George,
Do you mean nose lift? If so, yes it has that as an option. It's not standard, but you can get it.
-Fred
@@FredsFullThrottle Thanks for the reply! The reason I asked this question is because there does not appear to be a control visible on the center console like I have on my C8 2020 HTC with the Auto Front Lift option in any of the videos.
Are you sure the E Ray will have the Auto Front Lift as an option? Thanks again!
Yes as the 2 and 3Lz luxury interior trims e60 front end lift is available on the Eray
Hey Fred did you put down a deposit down for the E-ray at MM
Hi Rafal!
I was there, but didn't put down a deposit. Was there to meet a subscriber and say hi.
Have a nice day!!
-Fred
Where are you getting your weight data? Released was 3,780 pounds, 18.5 gallons of 93 octane weighs 112.85 pounds, where are you getting over 3966?? That is sans 74 pounds. I do love your video though! The brake bias torque vectoring is brilliant and the physics is quite fascinating! It’s also quite evident as to WHY the CCB were added with the mechanism of recharge with “charge+” mode and the need to recharge through braking. Definitely subscribed. Side note, I am number 3-5 on my local list for am ERay. :)
Hi Scott,
Thanks for reaching out, and I appreciate the sub!
I got mine directly from the press kit info from Chevy, as well as MT: www.motortrend.com/news/2024-chevrolet-corvette-e-ray-hybrid-awd-weight/#:~:text=The%20drop%2Dtop%20version%20of,3%2C890%20pounds%2C%20according%20to%20Chevy.
Apologies if I misquoted, though I'm wondering if all other fluids (coolant, transmission fluid, oil, etc..) could add to that?
One quick clarification, the CCB's don't contribute to the regen on the braking. If you haven't driven a performance hybrid or EV before (I don't know your background so apologies if you have), regen doesn't involve the mechanical brakes at all. Instead, the driveline is still connected to the electric motors, which put resistance on the drivetrain to slow the car (by spinning the electric motor). When an electric motor doesn't have power introduced to it from the power source (battery/capacitor/etc...), it actually generates power via induction (the motor's magnets spinning relative to the wire coils inside the outer housing, turning the kinetic energy of the car into current by spinning the motor). I'm oversimplifying a bit, but that's the gist of it.
When you press on the brakes (in an EV or performance hybrid), in most applications, what happens *first* is regen is used. So the electric motor is allowed to freewheel (more or less). The amount of resistance that the motor puts against the drivetrain/wheels (IE, how much regen stopping power), is controlled by how much power is introduced to the system by the battery. If you want full regen, no (or almost no) electricity is introduced by the battery. The more power introduced, the less resistance the motor provides, and the less is regenerated.
In cars I've driven with such a system, the first "x percent" of pedal travel feels a bit different than normal brakes, but after a little bit, you acclimate to it. Through this point, the actual brake calipers in the car do not touch the rotors.
However, press the pedal further, and (depending on the car), you enter a "hybrid" brake mode, where you may be getting full regen, as well as some additional "help" from the brakes. Not all cars have this.
Press harder still (or if a car doesn't have the above intermediate mode), you switch over to full brake. No regen is developed, and you get maximum braking force, completely from the brakes. To my knowledge (which may not be complete), I think most EV's operate this way, as well as some performance hybrids. Regen has limits as most motors have a maximum operating RPM, which is why beyond a certain point they have the "brake only" mode.
My read on charge plus is that it is just a "maximum regen" mode for the E-Ray. Tesla's and other EV's/hybrids have adjustable regen as well, though in this car versus them, it sounds like regen is tied to the pedal, rather than available as a "lift off" option where letting go of the gas causes regen and slowdown, for true one pedal driving.
Anyway, sorry for the novel there, but hope that clarifies! Also, congrats on the low number with your local dealership!
Have a nice day!
-Fred
I concur … I rather have the Eray over the Z06 - I have a GT3 Manual as my sports car. The C8 is comfortable and gets reasonably good gas mileage. Great for a road trip or going out to dinner and it can smoke most cars in a straight line. In Rapid Blue please
Nice job blasphemier....I get the keeping the manual. My thoughts are get the Z06, keep the C7, when you figure out the Z06 shifts like a mad man you can sell the C7. I never saw a Z06 until I received my car. It is the best looking vette in my opinion. It's a supercar. I really think there may be a problem with the Z06. The timing and numbers of the Eray are very suspicious. Why drop the car now. Right when they are starting to build the Z. That might be a good video. No one has discussed it. I need a weekly Fred video. Do a short 5 min on the off week. Change your shirt and do a piggyback off of Wikipedia. Thanks Fred. I really did miss the channel.
Hi Thereissomecoolstuff!
Always nice to hear from you! I'm thrilled you got your car! Sounds like you like it! If you have time, please drop me an email, would love to hear your impressions. :)
I do agree that production capacity seems to be one of the biggest challenges right now, and unless they drop the standard C8 production numbers, they're going to be way out on fulfilling orders for the Z or E-ray's. I've touched on it in a prior video or two, but I don't have much data to go on for diving in deep on it.
I appreciate the support and appreciate that the every other week format isn't scratching that itch. What I will tell you is that I do plan to have a few out-of-band videos come out this year (once driving season starts), to fill in that gap. I can't manage it frequently (I'm busier than I've ever been in my life with work, lemons, personal life, travel, etc...), but I'll do my best. Either way, I do really appreciate that you enjoy my videos so much, that means a lot! Heh, if I ever "hit it big" and can do this full time, the frequency would be at least weekly, if not twice per week! Here's wishing/hoping for someday!
Have a nice day!
-Fred
@@FredsFullThrottle thanks for the long reply Fred. I'm at Ron Fellows this weekend for the second time. Next stop is Porsche rental in Georgia featured on your channel. Keep up the great work.. I really appreciate your effort.
@@thereissomecoolstuff That's awesome! If at all possible (though you may have PEC reservations already), definitely show up early so you can explore at your own pace. Also, let me know how it goes, I'm sure you'll love it! :) -Fred
@@FredsFullThrottle I don't have them yet as my work is crazy to. Planning a major work stoppage in May...so after that I'm in.
You forgot the most important details, 1) they can only make 500/yr. 2) Price will be $50k over list.
Hi Paul,
Let's agree to disagree about what's most important.
That first statement isn't confirmed or stated by Chevy as far as I'm aware, just speculation by people which isn't something I'm going to give oxygen to. It may turn out to be right, but I've seen many similar claims about the Z06, and so far most of them have been wrong.
The second point isn't true at MacMulkin, which I mention right at the start, they only do MSRP on new Corvettes, full stop. The line currently isn't that long, so it's still possible to be early in the allocations. I started my video with that statement, one of the first things I mentioned, but I digress.
Have a nice day,
-Fred
@@FredsFullThrottle not driving 8hrs to NH to buy a car. 1 dealer,,,,LOL, the 3 by my house all said 12-18mos and 10G over list even for a 1LT. Which is why i walked onto a ford dealers lot 30min from my house and bought a brand new '22 mach 1 for sticker. I already own a '71 and '96 vettes. Just for shits n giggles go look up production numbers for those years vs what bowling green is producing now.....with all that assembly line tech, GM can't even reach half the production numbers they did 30, 40, 50+ yrs ago.......just sad, they deserve to go under.
Hundreds of msrp dealers with courtesy delivery or museum delivery
@@vettesweetnos I was unaware of courtesy delivery at MSRP. I'd like to put my ZR1 deposit there.
@@paulmarino8810 Funny stuff! First off, you wouldn't drive a mere 8 hours to save $10k? Secondly, have you heard of something called delivery? Also, MacMulkin is not the only MSRP dealer, there are several. Regarding your Mach1, you shouldn't have paid sticker, you could've ordered one for 4% under invoice. To be clear, Not 4% under MSRP...4% under invoice. I know as I ordered 2 of them. If you had any idea what you were doing you would've known that and saved about $5k, but then again, if it were a few hours away you might have to come to the conclusion, as a financial genius, that wouldn't be worth it. LMAO.