Does your SSD Type Matter? - SLC vs TLC vs QLC - NAND Matters - Tech Deals
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00:00 Does your SSD Type Matter? - SLC vs TLC vs QLC - NAND Matters - Tech Deals
I've been using a 1 TB 660p for 5 years as a game drive. 26k host writes. 30k power on hours. Health status is 96%.
The 660p was such a gem of a drive... it should last you until long after 1TB is useless.
I have a 240gb ssd boot drive, it's five years old I have rewritten the drive many times, everything still at 100%
Im using a 665p 1 TB modell as a windows system/gaming drive, 63TB written so far (3,5 years of usage), crystaldiskinfo saying that the drive health is 89%.
Ive been using my samsung 870 evo as a game storage for many years now. Im beginning to feel left out while others seem to be having a good time running games on an M.2 NVMe ... Alot of people say ''doesn't matter'' because people are obsessed with focusing on loading screens, but i genuinely believe its more beneficial than that, especially in big open worlds
Games more than a few years old, I can't tell the difference between SATA and NVMe, but that has started to change.
The 870 EVO is a really premium SATA, better than most and better than the ultra cheap NVMe drives in many ways.
Just choose known brands with DRAM Cache it will really help in extending the life of the ssd to 5 years and above. 👍
Very true and good advice...
I have Intel and Samsung SSDs that are well over 10 years old that still work perfectly.
Or use a software managed system RAM cache. I get up to 20GBs or more r/w.
I will summarize for those with short attention span which is most of us....
Does SSD type matter? Not much. Stick with name brand unless you feel lucky...lol
And, most know, always back up your data.
Absolute price makes a difference. Consider 50% off. When 50% off $500 means $250, that's still understandably hard to swallow if $250 makes you squirm.
But when 50% off $50 becomes $25, then the logic doesn't hold up as much. It's still only a $25 difference, and I'd happily skip take out for a week or two if it meant having a much better drive.
I mean, look at the prices of the good m.2s like the 980 Pro, compared to SATA ssds? I did the math, and even when they were at $200, they were STILL WORTH IT, because the high end m.2 drives made up for it with tons of improved performance and reliability. At half price or cheaper the argument is way stronger in favor of the m.2s. When there's like a $20 difference between a SATA drive and a nice m.2, $ kinda becomes irrelevant.
Moot point of course if you don't have enough pcie lanes, but do have SATA plugs to spare.
Back when SSD prices were around the $1.00 per Gigabyte mark, I bought a 256 GB Mushkin 2.5 inch SSD. Died on me a month or so before my one year mark. Customer support was great, sent back the old and got a replacement. That replacement died at about 4 years. Decided to not go with Mushkin anymore. Since then, I am currently using Silicon Power, WD, Sabrent, and Team Group. So far no issues with any of them.
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Intel/Solidigm enterprise-class SSD's have never let me down, but you pay extra for that quality. My oldest one (used as primary drive in 2 successive system builds) is more than 10 years old today & still rated at 100% health. My latest 2024 build uses my first-ever M.2 SSD & I went with the Intel/Solidigm 2TB P44 Pro M.2 2280 NVMe. I'm also using an Intel/Solidigm enterprise-class D3-S4620 960GB SATA 2.5 SSD in the system as a secondary drive. I expect both will outlive that PC build & me.
I’m shocked how SanDisc (western digital) can fit 1TB on a micro sd card that is the size of a finger nail…and achieve the speeds that they do at V1 and V2. I have a couple of them for my Steamdeck Oled. I do still have a couple of Intel 670p 1tb’s that I used for game storage in my last build. I think they sold their tooling off to SK Hynix to make Solidigm ssd’s and those are pretty good too. There is a whole rabbit hole of just hard drive information to understand. It’s a bit much to wrap your head around the technology…
The sequential transfer rates of MicroSD can be impressive, but try a random 4K read/write test. They will fall apart faster than you'd imagine.
I've only bought 2 ssds and they both lasted only 3 years. Both Crucial M500 one sata and the other m-sata. Bought them in 2014. Still have them, they just locked themselves up and went read only even after I took really really good care of them. Companion software reports that they are 100% healthy, data is still there and I can read it. Seems to be the controller. I tried EVERYTHING until I just let them go. Now I'm using hdds and backup data immediately.
My only ssd failure so far has been from Crucial. Can't remember the series but I know it was their budget cacheless one.
The newer Western Digital SN580s are great for a thin and light laptops. Chose the SN580 over the SN770.
@@michaelsoutherland3023 why. Isn't wd blue worse than black.
is this channel no longer new segments? is it just the live show that is recent?
A new type of HDD and a new sata type is on the horizon.
I have and just tested my old Adata XPG SX8200 512GB NVME. I was always happy of it, fast, reliable and in my PC from day 1 I built it. 3400MB seq.read, 69MB RND4K Q1T1 (drive is 65% full, boot drive). So it is performing better than SSDs tested in video, not sure if way slower than good "name brand" models mentioned, as my Adata one was not mentioned. But I like it and it is just fast and works fine for me, no plans to replace it. I have other 2 storage SSDs, so n512 for boot and my work software + the 2 games I only play is more than enough.
I have a Crucial P5 2TB M.2 SSD NVMe (not P5 Plus), which uses TLC and my only Drive. It's sitting in my main system which is an I7 10700F with a 3070Ti and 32GB DDR4. Pretty happy with my entire setup, don't see upgrading anything for the foreseeable future.
The QLC has the extra layer over TLC, so it can I/O more bits at a time. It gives the QLC the speed advantage but the material breaks down faster as a trade-off. Sweet spot imo is MLC.
SSD wil go up in price by up to 50% in 2024!It's already going up right now,...
Been using SK Hynix Platinum P41 2TB x 2 as game drive.. so far so good. OS drive using a WD_BLACK SN850X 2TB, and also a WD_BLACK D30 2TB external SSD as a game drive also.
I use Micro Center brand PCIe 4x4 with 2GB system RAM buffer. I get 20GB + R/W. I use Primo Cache software to manage the system RAM buffer. RAM drive speeds without using a RAM drive. It works just as fast with a USB 3.2 external mechanical hard drive; 20GBs.
I have a Samsung 250GB 870 EVO 2.5 SATA SSD as my boot drive running windows 11 home and a 1TB Samsung 870 QVO running steam games, should I upgrade my 1TB QVO to a 1TB EVO or should I leave them as they are, when play games on steam I get great frame rate with no freezing or stuttering
At the end of the day, as drives get more complex, there will be more compromises made to achieve bandwidth, latency, and capacity figures that are marketable. Through the whole history of SSD's Samsung drives are the best, and probably always will be. I clone SSD's all the time and they are hands down the fastest and can really take a beating. I have a 660p and it's fine as a file drive, still has most of it's life left, it's my 3rd nvme ssd. My Samsung 970 EVO plus (my secondary) isn't nearly as fast as my WD Black SN850X (my primary), but tell you what the Samsung clones way way way faster. When you're targeting an entire volume with clonezilla and you have hundreds of gigabytes maybe even terabytes to clone over, your SLC cache, DRAM, all the little things that make your SSD cheaper blow up in your face and you're cloning for HOURS, instead of minutes or 10's of minutes on a clone with premium drives involved. A lot of the time a modern mechanical hard drive will have a higher transfer rate while cloning than a QLC SSD.
Everything you said is true...
It's worth noting that when I promoted the heck out of the 660p, it was half the price per TB as Samsung, thus the deal. Samsung is faster/better, but when it's 2x the money, not everyone cares.
Having said that, those days are over, the price gap is so small now, buying cheap is pointless.
@@TechDeals hey I still have the 660p in my computer it was main drive at first it’s 3rd now. It’s just a little slow cloning and virtual machines pretty slow on there too
What do you guys think of the corsair mp600 4tb gen4x4 1. 4 3d tlc? Saw it on new egg....
can you even buy a consumer SLC anyway?
qlc or not, read speed is all about for ssd
bought 8TB 870 qvo for 316 dollers last year
The only ssd that has ever failed on me, was a adata el cheapo 2tb i got on sale. The pc stopped recognizing it..
luv the voiceover Rogue!
thought this WAS the main channel?
What about MLC? Is that still made? I believe my old Vertex SSD has that type.
Is Crucial OK? (I just gave one to my daughter.)
I have for 12+ years Samsung 840Pro 256GB drive with 62k hours work time and 100TB reWrite this drive is immortal.
I have the same great drive.
Why the side kick ?
Have over 4.1TB written on my 970 EVO Plus 2TB. Haven't had an ssd or nvme fail yet though I suppose eventually it will happen.
The the provlem of QLC is not the TBW, after seeing those chia miner stressing those drive , TBW is not a big issue and ssd will died by other reason ( like crappy firmware or controller )
The problem of QLC is rwhen write cache running out , it really slow 2TB will max out about 100-150MB. A super large QLC drive like koxia one they have enought amount to stack up wrote speed and maitain at a reasonable write speed
Another issue is when your QLC asd is running out of cache and it busy for tidy up, and you still got some read write mix task for it = or super struggle compare to a proper TLC ssd
tech please review simple and most needed apps every gamer must use liek cpuz, gpuz, hwinfo, coretemps,hardware monitor , i use them all because each of them does not show all the info eneded and each of them ahve different UI ,some of them are user friendly and others are a bit to look around.................., these apps are needed to verify the hardware working on the pc and whether the system we built is the way we built at its finest , i hope you make a video on them......
Oh no the horrors of doing an update on a non premium SSD drive. Meanwhile me still using a HDD looking to finally upgrade to a SSD lol
You're using a HDD in 2024?
Well, that's a choice... :)
But why tho.
S880 2TB NVMe SSD M.2 2280 PCIe 4.0 Gaming SSD - Up to 7300MB/s, Fast Heat Dissipation, Internal Solid State Drives, Suitable for PS5 Enthusiasts, IT Professionals
$129.99 on amazon i use them fast
Samsung 970 Pro 1TB was one of the best M.2 PCIe 3.0 NVMe drive, not the EVO!
True, easy to forget about that one :)
If gaming....ANY ssd will be fine and speedy...really ANY..Most the time you would wait between them is...maybe..2 seconds in loading...even between m.2 and sata.
I definitely care about warranty. I already warantied a few years old drive. Also I have one Samsung QLC drive and it is slow as hell. I use it in system with long term writes of small amout of data. But I wouldn't use it in anything else. And now, that QLC isn't much cheaper I wouldn't use it at all.
Tech said 1tb was the new norm now it's 2tb and WATCH FOR SALES and get an extra
His recommendations :
samsung 970 evo plus
samsung 980 pro
samsung 990 pro
western digital SN850X
silicon power xs70
acer predator gm7000
next storage drives
team group (MP34 gen3 drives)
team group (MP44 gen4 drives)
Why are we having an conversation about 35$? Because people can not afford anymore even their rent.
I buy allways AX2 Teamgroup 2.5" 256 GB SSD's for 24$. These used to be around 16$. The SSD price went up though.
Teamgroup seem to be the best value still.
I have an PCIE 256 GB Gigabyte m.2 drive which wears out way faster than the cheaper amazon Teamgroup AX2 256 GB 2.5" ssd drive.
If $35 is a problem, why are you buying anything beyond the basics?
That's the point... stop spending money on things that you don't need when money is that critical.
@@TechDeals I doubt most average people will shell out morethan 40$ for an SSD. To pay 150$ for an single SSD is beyond most people these days. I see Teamgroup SSDs a pack of 2 AX2 500 GB for just over 60$. These are TLC but do not have any DRAM as far as I can see. I believe their TBW is around 400. I have 2 Adata dram less 120 GB in use who show less wear at 100% as my same age and use Gigabyte 256 GB PCie m.2 ssd which is now at 97% and has supposedly 300 TBW. That is an OS drive and one of the Adata as well.
I buy for my money the best I can afford. Even if 35$ is an issue that means not one can not spend that wisely on high end components. I suspect these high speed Pcie ssds having an way higher wear level and reduced lifespan as normal 2.5" cheap ssds. More expensive I fear does not mean more longevity. I have 2 towers and each sport 2 ssds. One for OS and the other for a single game which is Enlisted and game recordings which get erased after uploading to YT.
Sabrent?
Based crystal disk mark
SK Hynix P41?
Wow, 65 views in 10 minutes at 5 AM.
Bro thinks usa is only country in the world
Hehe I still have a PCIe Revo Drive 256GB in working condition. That's old
Both TLC & QLC NAND drives are trash!
High end SSDs should only use SLC & MLC NAND!
@@Crossfire2003 If you wanna pay $400+ for a 1TB SSD, sure... , 🤔 😅
@@KillRei
Yes. I would pay that sum for a good drive.
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i have a samsung 850 evo 1tb boot drive and a 4tb samsung 870 qvo for a game/app drive and 2 4tb wd black sata hdds for storage and media. 2018 build and going strong in 2024. will fresh install windows11 after win10 expires.