As a professional arborist I think the damage caused by the excessive amount of duct tape on the branch would be more harmful then the small amount of rope rub Tree branches and trunks need to be able to breathe if you prevent that The bark might start rotting compromising the whole limb But the rest of your tree protection looks very good For someone who is not a arborist 👍👍👍
i know Im asking randomly but does any of you know a way to log back into an instagram account? I stupidly forgot the account password. I would appreciate any assistance you can give me
@Byron Ellis I really appreciate your reply. I got to the site on google and im waiting for the hacking stuff now. Looks like it's gonna take a while so I will reply here later with my results.
When climbing trees i like to use a a friction saver. I just made one for myself you can make them out of whoopies as well. Basically is a self retrieving anchor. Should check them out if you havent heard of one! I think it be great idea for permanent midline like this.
Hey Ryan great video as usual =) I'd like to point out that the way you tie off youy tails isn't preventing slippage in the weblock because the tail can still move sideways. That would be something cool to see on video, slippage and how to prevent it !
My tails are not tied off properly, very true. That issue has become a very hot topic in the community recently and I'm trying to make sure my videos show good examples, but I made this over a month ago soooooo.... haha. If it did slip, it would eventually stop but it could and should be better :).
Why is the backup line always so loose on your setups? Wouldn't it be better it just slightly looser than the main line so in case of a fall you don't fall so low?
I love your videos!!! they are sooo informative and so detailed!! Thank you sooo much!! I have a quick question. The rope you use to climb the tree. I have the one I have used myself to climb a tree for a couple of midlines. I can tell the rope is in conditions...however I have been told that when ropes have been used for climbing it would be ideal to have separate ropes for the anchors. I was thinking about using it for the anchor of a midline that does not require ascending a tree. Do you have any insights about that? I just wanna make sure I am gonna be rigging something that is safe for me and my friends. Thanks again!! your content is amazing and you are too!!
I wonder if, when you are not that comfortable in the beginning up high, you could rig one line at 15 feet and attach your leash to another line that runs above you? So you basically walk underneath your safety line.. Has that been done before?
Coming from a climber (not a highliner), I would say you shouldn't do that -- although it probably has been done before. If you fall and, on the off chance, the higher safety line snaps, you probably won't die when you deck (land on the ground) from 15 feet up. However it is best to avoid putting yourself in these sketchy situations. Redundancy is a very important concept for rigging. And if we can rig 2 safety lines above that will be much better. That is 3 total lines, 2 above attached to you, and one below that you walk on (not attached to you). If one line were to snap, you'd still be okay given the sag + leash length is measured properly. One additional consideration: if you fall, the leash and lower line (the one you walk on) could potentially saw, which is very bad. So maybe you could set it up so your tie in knot doesn't stretch below the walking line. If you want to midline/highline, go with someone experienced and don't try setting it up yourself.
Just replace the vertical rope with a thin line when done, use it to replace the ropes when you want to access it. Man have i been missing a lot of shots with a sling.
Sorry, I know this is off topic for this video, but why is it that you use a static line for a personal anchor? Like, I understand "don't fall on your anchor that's not what it is for", but would it actually be a problem to use a dynamic rope for a PA?
Hey great video! Its clear to me why you wouldn't leave the pulley-system in the trees for a longer period of time, but I was wondering if its okay to rig an comparable midline for just one day and leave the pulley in the system?
Kiwi Bird if you back up the pulleys by tying off tail to master point it is fine. Especially if your backup goes straight to master point. Most people don't walk with pulleys in the system because you can feel them. I assume you dont have a linegrip?
Pulleys aren't a problem, but if you don't want them try using a prusik if you aren't trying to make it super tight. You will need a soft release so you can undo it but you can make a homemade one. There is a cheaper russian version of linegrip now that can save you a bunch of money.
Pro tips for ascending trees: 1. Use a throwline + bag to get the rope over a thick branch near the trunk instead of slinging the trunk. 2. Add an oval carabiner to the top of the ascender and run the passive end of rope from the Grigri trough that carabiner. In that way you can use the strength from both your leg and both arms when pulling yourself up the rope. 3. Tie a figure eight on a bight for every 3 meters/9 feet on the passive end of the rope. That way you can’t slide down the rope because of all the nots. They also function as a backup when going back down - you just have to untie them when you get to them on the way down.
Treefool has a nice tutorial on how to ascend a tree with a throwline: ruclips.net/video/MFONW3WGm94/видео.html I'd go for his second solution (with the base anchor) since it can be made with a HMS knot, which is useful if the climber needs saving from the ground. If you'd rather lead climb the tree, you can girth hitch the branches with slings and clip the to them as you would do with quickdraws on a rock. Heres a PDF with some pictures of lead climbing and rope climbing in trees which might explain it better than my words (it's the exam manual for danish tree climbing instructors): dansktraeklatreforening.dk/filebrowser/download/89
Ok, someone already answered my question about the tails but..... 1. Why not use a bGebz on the rigging plate to cut out the shackle? I know you couldn't do it on the awl 3 but, would you consider doing it with the awl 4 and cutting out the shakle/rigging plate entirely? 2. How much rain does this line see a month/how much has it seen in its lifetime? (Just an estimate, I get you're probably not too into meteorology) 3. Do you know what tension it was at day one before you stepped on it vs. The tension it has on it now? 4. I'm assuming you used an ellington system since you've got the gear but, how did you tension the line? 5. Why not use a linelock on your backup instead of tieoffs? It seems like that would really keep things in place 6. Do you now or have you ever suspected that the people you "rent" the space from have ever messed with the line in any way? 7. At what point would you just say, "damn this things been up forever, time to retire it" 8. Other than the knife method, how would you detension this line? 9. What would you say are the pros and cons of having the main line and back up line being the same piece of webbing 10. How are the tapes holding up on this line? What tapes did you use? 11. I actually commented on slackchat today with this document right after you but, how would you say this line holds up to what the ISA says about midlines here data.slacklineinternational.org/language/english/midlines-low_highlines_2015_v5_en.pdf/ 12. What do you think about the info in the aforementioned document? Iknow it's a ton of questions, please take your time with the answers and just respond to them by number. Love the channel and keep up the great work!
1 - I have lots of gear so i use it :) 2 - lots in winter, none in summer, hot summers! 3 - Tensions change with temperatures.... by a lot. Good training to walk them all. 4 - I use pulley system with line grip. I don't have a soft release in this system because I almost never release it. 5 - I loooooovvvveeee my frosty knots. I'm not fond of line locks. They just don't do it for me. Not they are bad, they just have no advantage. 6 - No, they are old 7 - Everytime it breaks ;).... i just change it annually 8 - line grip and pulleys yet again 9 - 0 pros 0 cons.... on a line this length. Looooonnnnggg highlines you want a light weight backup 10 - I have to tape occasionally, but not often. The climbing tape I use disintegrates in the sun 11 - I don't mean to be mean... but that chart... other than the images... is so boring and the math more complicated than it needs to be. People don't read, people don't listen. They only use their eyes which is why everything I say I try to show examples of because no one remembers unless they see it. We did a drop test on this very line with very very loose loops on this line ruclips.net/video/nVn4BJaxMFg/видео.htmlm47s 12 - I fell asleep. ;) Glad you like the channel. It's about to get way better! Here is a teaser for you ruclips.net/video/mBVQ3Eo6mLc/видео.html
hey man thanks for the great contents, question: i currently don't have access to a line locker, is there any way to rig a midline with knots/shackle/carabiners ?
Hey Ryan, I'm wondering about your spanset anchors. If one spanset were to fail (unlikely I know) wouldn't that take you to the ground? If so, would you recommend putting another spanset below & attaching your backup to that? Trying to build my first midline rig & am trying to be as redundant as possible. Thanks
Of course you have two... one on either side. hahahaha. I love redundancy, but there are some things so bomber it is irrelevant to make redundant. Like a leash for example. A thin purple spanset in a basket around the tree is 4x stronger than the worlds strongest webbing. You could always just add two and clip to both if you wanted two.
@@HowNOT2 hey what do you think about those slacklines with the ratchet already attached lol would it be safe to rig one of those as a mid line in a tree ? As long as you anchor it safe and have a back up safety line
But if you slide out to the middle of your back up line to "test" it, doesn't that defeat the purpose of having a back up line, because you're then trusting your life on a single line?
Do it on both lines at the tension you think backup should be... then only tension main. But i dont think you have to slide out, just set up backup so you can see how high it is then tape it to main. Normally we just give slack to backup when rigging without actually knowing how much we just did. The point is be very intentional about where will be if you need it.
Squirrels like to chew. I don’t leave ropes in trees. I leave para cord running through a pulley in the tree just above a croch or limb that would be life safety in case the pulley fails. Just pull your rope through each time. And secondly you should not be leaving this system under tension. You could cause compression of the cambium doing direct damage. Or, given enough years you could make the tree dependent on that attachment for support. Just put slack in the high line when you leave and inspect the bark each time you use it for any sign of damage. Take a look at the foliage of the tree in the spring. If the trunk you rigged looks like shit compared to the others that’s on you.
You should tell people that you're not an expert. None of this is safe. Your backup loops might be rated to catch you but did you account for the shock load it will take when you fall? what about that half ton shackle you used? Not to mention the fact that you took a fall on this, which should be the point in which you replace the system. Be safe. You are guessing that a pre shock-loaded system will be safe. One day it won't.
As a professional arborist I think the damage caused by the excessive amount of duct tape on the branch would be more harmful then the small amount of rope rub Tree branches and trunks need to be able to breathe if you prevent that The bark might start rotting compromising the whole limb But the rest of your tree protection looks very good For someone who is not a arborist 👍👍👍
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As a professional arborist I think the damage caused by the excessive amount of duct tape on the branch would be more harmful then the small amount of rope rub
Tree branches and trunks need to be able to breathe if you prevent that The bark might start rotting compromising the whole limb
But the rest of your tree protection looks very good For someone who is not a arborist 👍👍👍
i know Im asking randomly but does any of you know a way to log back into an instagram account?
I stupidly forgot the account password. I would appreciate any assistance you can give me
@Byron Ellis I really appreciate your reply. I got to the site on google and im waiting for the hacking stuff now.
Looks like it's gonna take a while so I will reply here later with my results.
@Nathanael Titus No problem =)
When climbing trees i like to use a a friction saver. I just made one for myself you can make them out of whoopies as well. Basically is a self retrieving anchor. Should check them out if you havent heard of one! I think it be great idea for permanent midline like this.
Thomas VanDyke awesome. Thanks.
Love the backyard midlines, used to rig a ton of em!
Hey Ryan great video as usual =) I'd like to point out that the way you tie off youy tails isn't preventing slippage in the weblock because the tail can still move sideways. That would be something cool to see on video, slippage and how to prevent it !
My tails are not tied off properly, very true. That issue has become a very hot topic in the community recently and I'm trying to make sure my videos show good examples, but I made this over a month ago soooooo.... haha. If it did slip, it would eventually stop but it could and should be better :).
Why is the backup line always so loose on your setups? Wouldn't it be better it just slightly looser than the main line so in case of a fall you don't fall so low?
The backups slack dissipates energy from little wiggles
I love your videos!!! they are sooo informative and so detailed!! Thank you sooo much!! I have a quick question. The rope you use to climb the tree. I have the one I have used myself to climb a tree for a couple of midlines. I can tell the rope is in conditions...however I have been told that when ropes have been used for climbing it would be ideal to have separate ropes for the anchors. I was thinking about using it for the anchor of a midline that does not require ascending a tree. Do you have any insights about that? I just wanna make sure I am gonna be rigging something that is safe for me and my friends. Thanks again!! your content is amazing and you are too!!
I wonder if, when you are not that comfortable in the beginning up high, you could rig one line at 15 feet and attach your leash to another line that runs above you?
So you basically walk underneath your safety line..
Has that been done before?
Coming from a climber (not a highliner), I would say you shouldn't do that -- although it probably has been done before. If you fall and, on the off chance, the higher safety line snaps, you probably won't die when you deck (land on the ground) from 15 feet up. However it is best to avoid putting yourself in these sketchy situations. Redundancy is a very important concept for rigging. And if we can rig 2 safety lines above that will be much better. That is 3 total lines, 2 above attached to you, and one below that you walk on (not attached to you). If one line were to snap, you'd still be okay given the sag + leash length is measured properly.
One additional consideration: if you fall, the leash and lower line (the one you walk on) could potentially saw, which is very bad. So maybe you could set it up so your tie in knot doesn't stretch below the walking line.
If you want to midline/highline, go with someone experienced and don't try setting it up yourself.
Iv light destroys rope. Get a big shot (arborist slingshot ) a set your lines then take them down after a couple of days
Just replace the vertical rope with a thin line when done, use it to replace the ropes when you want to access it.
Man have i been missing a lot of shots with a sling.
Sorry, I know this is off topic for this video, but why is it that you use a static line for a personal anchor? Like, I understand "don't fall on your anchor that's not what it is for", but would it actually be a problem to use a dynamic rope for a PA?
Hey great video! Its clear to me why you wouldn't leave the pulley-system in the trees for a longer period of time, but I was wondering if its okay to rig an comparable midline for just one day and leave the pulley in the system?
Kiwi Bird if you back up the pulleys by tying off tail to master point it is fine. Especially if your backup goes straight to master point. Most people don't walk with pulleys in the system because you can feel them. I assume you dont have a linegrip?
Thanks for your quick answer! No I have no linegrip - right now I'm spending all my money into Trad-Gear so the linegrip will have to wait :-)
Pulleys aren't a problem, but if you don't want them try using a prusik if you aren't trying to make it super tight. You will need a soft release so you can undo it but you can make a homemade one. There is a cheaper russian version of linegrip now that can save you a bunch of money.
Pro tips for ascending trees:
1. Use a throwline + bag to get the rope over a thick branch near the trunk instead of slinging the trunk.
2. Add an oval carabiner to the top of the ascender and run the passive end of rope from the Grigri trough that carabiner. In that way you can use the strength from both your leg and both arms when pulling yourself up the rope.
3. Tie a figure eight on a bight for every 3 meters/9 feet on the passive end of the rope. That way you can’t slide down the rope because of all the nots. They also function as a backup when going back down - you just have to untie them when you get to them on the way down.
Could I just girth hitch a branch if I throw a rope over it? Then ascend the rope? Or is that what you are saying?
Treefool has a nice tutorial on how to ascend a tree with a throwline: ruclips.net/video/MFONW3WGm94/видео.html
I'd go for his second solution (with the base anchor) since it can be made with a HMS knot, which is useful if the climber needs saving from the ground.
If you'd rather lead climb the tree, you can girth hitch the branches with slings and clip the to them as you would do with quickdraws on a rock.
Heres a PDF with some pictures of lead climbing and rope climbing in trees which might explain it better than my words (it's the exam manual for danish tree climbing instructors): dansktraeklatreforening.dk/filebrowser/download/89
Thank you!
Ok, someone already answered my question about the tails but.....
1. Why not use a bGebz on the rigging plate to cut out the shackle? I know you couldn't do it on the awl 3 but, would you consider doing it with the awl 4 and cutting out the shakle/rigging plate entirely?
2. How much rain does this line see a month/how much has it seen in its lifetime? (Just an estimate, I get you're probably not too into meteorology)
3. Do you know what tension it was at day one before you stepped on it vs. The tension it has on it now?
4. I'm assuming you used an ellington system since you've got the gear but, how did you tension the line?
5. Why not use a linelock on your backup instead of tieoffs? It seems like that would really keep things in place
6. Do you now or have you ever suspected that the people you "rent" the space from have ever messed with the line in any way?
7. At what point would you just say, "damn this things been up forever, time to retire it"
8. Other than the knife method, how would you detension this line?
9. What would you say are the pros and cons of having the main line and back up line being the same piece of webbing
10. How are the tapes holding up on this line? What tapes did you use?
11. I actually commented on slackchat today with this document right after you but, how would you say this line holds up to what the ISA says about midlines here data.slacklineinternational.org/language/english/midlines-low_highlines_2015_v5_en.pdf/
12. What do you think about the info in the aforementioned document?
Iknow it's a ton of questions, please take your time with the answers and just respond to them by number. Love the channel and keep up the great work!
1 - I have lots of gear so i use it :)
2 - lots in winter, none in summer, hot summers!
3 - Tensions change with temperatures.... by a lot. Good training to walk them all.
4 - I use pulley system with line grip. I don't have a soft release in this system because I almost never release it.
5 - I loooooovvvveeee my frosty knots. I'm not fond of line locks. They just don't do it for me. Not they are bad, they just have no advantage.
6 - No, they are old
7 - Everytime it breaks ;).... i just change it annually
8 - line grip and pulleys yet again
9 - 0 pros 0 cons.... on a line this length. Looooonnnnggg highlines you want a light weight backup
10 - I have to tape occasionally, but not often. The climbing tape I use disintegrates in the sun
11 - I don't mean to be mean... but that chart... other than the images... is so boring and the math more complicated than it needs to be. People don't read, people don't listen. They only use their eyes which is why everything I say I try to show examples of because no one remembers unless they see it. We did a drop test on this very line with very very loose loops on this line ruclips.net/video/nVn4BJaxMFg/видео.htmlm47s
12 - I fell asleep. ;)
Glad you like the channel. It's about to get way better! Here is a teaser for you ruclips.net/video/mBVQ3Eo6mLc/видео.html
ok fine, time to get higher.
hey man thanks for the great contents, question: i currently don't have access to a line locker, is there any way to rig a midline with knots/shackle/carabiners ?
You can use a frost knot. I show how to use those in other videos if it isnt in this one. I think in the dirtbag buying guide i show it.
great, thank ya
Hey Ryan, I'm wondering about your spanset anchors. If one spanset were to fail (unlikely I know) wouldn't that take you to the ground? If so, would you recommend putting another spanset below & attaching your backup to that? Trying to build my first midline rig & am trying to be as redundant as possible. Thanks
Of course you have two... one on either side. hahahaha. I love redundancy, but there are some things so bomber it is irrelevant to make redundant. Like a leash for example. A thin purple spanset in a basket around the tree is 4x stronger than the worlds strongest webbing. You could always just add two and clip to both if you wanted two.
@@HowNOT2 righteous, thanks ryan👊🏽
yesssssss thank you ryan!!!!
Jack Smith glad you liked it. I have even better ones coming out soon that I should have done from day 1 haha.
they get better and better!!! super stoked man can't wait to see!!
@@HowNOT2 hey what do you think about those slacklines with the ratchet already attached lol would it be safe to rig one of those as a mid line in a tree ? As long as you anchor it safe and have a back up safety line
But if you slide out to the middle of your back up line to "test" it, doesn't that defeat the purpose of having a back up line, because you're then trusting your life on a single line?
Do it on both lines at the tension you think backup should be... then only tension main. But i dont think you have to slide out, just set up backup so you can see how high it is then tape it to main. Normally we just give slack to backup when rigging without actually knowing how much we just did. The point is be very intentional about where will be if you need it.
@@HowNOT2 Thanks, I don't even slackline but I find the art of safety redundancies interesting lol.
Squirrels like to chew. I don’t leave ropes in trees. I leave para cord running through a pulley in the tree just above a croch or limb that would be life safety in case the pulley fails. Just pull your rope through each time. And secondly you should not be leaving this system under tension. You could cause compression of the cambium doing direct damage. Or, given enough years you could make the tree dependent on that attachment for support. Just put slack in the high line when you leave and inspect the bark each time you use it for any sign of damage. Take a look at the foliage of the tree in the spring. If the trunk you rigged looks like shit compared to the others that’s on you.
But don't worry, because it's totally bahmber
Nice hat !! #slacklifebc
"I don't see the value of rigging plates."
If you're only using one rope for ascending and descending you don't have redundancy need a second rope for that.
this is so complicated LOL
That's a highline. Don't belittle my craft, ya jabroni.
You should tell people that you're not an expert. None of this is safe. Your backup loops might be rated to catch you but did you account for the shock load it will take when you fall? what about that half ton shackle you used? Not to mention the fact that you took a fall on this, which should be the point in which you replace the system. Be safe. You are guessing that a pre shock-loaded system will be safe. One day it won't.
As a professional arborist I think the damage caused by the excessive amount of duct tape on the branch would be more harmful then the small amount of rope rub
Tree branches and trunks need to be able to breathe if you prevent that The bark might start rotting compromising the whole limb
But the rest of your tree protection looks very good For someone who is not a arborist 👍👍👍
Why did you copy and paste this lol that's so weird