The White Lotus’ Editing Is Sinful
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- Опубликовано: 24 фев 2023
- The HBO-Emmy-winning White Lotus is fantastically edited. Can I make it worse?
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the problem with your edit is that you're not deleting a real explanation - you're deleting her deflection, her excuse, for how she feels. if it were there for the "text" it should be deleted, but it's not- it's there for the subtext
👏 Exactly!
In your cut you are loosing a layer of facade that is a part of her character and also plays a big part of the story in the show. Decision to keep to pretend that she's ignoring the problem is a kind of a big moment in that scene.
Nice experiment! I like both. It interestingly put to light that you can change a character's persona through editing. If it was a standalone, I would prefer your cut, but considering the whole serie, I think the original is more in line with the character. Which is someone with a light hearted joyous carefree facade, that only lets her seriousness/sadness peak through by small bit, almost against her will.
With that in mind, the "over explaining", going from serious to making a joke of it to serious, is good!
I felt like her character is one that doesn't like to sit on thoughts. I feel like when confronted with reality she tries to dismiss or excuse it as soon as possible so she doesn't actually have to feel the pain of it. I think that's why she appears so shallow in the show. She doesn't like talking about politics or having deep conversations because she doesn't like to confront real issues. That's why I think the scene worked the way it was. It made sense to her deflective character that she would try to talk it away instead of thinking about the pain it would cause her.
Hi, I just happened to be very much moved by this scene when I saw it for the first time while watching the episode. And I loved the performance there and even thought about why she was speaking so much. I came to an understanding that maybe, she just wanted to let a lot of things out to someone who just understood her position in her marriage, and she just wanted to tell him that she wasn't okay with what was happening, but she's at a point where she doesn't care for it too much. Speaking of the re-edit, I just feel that her dialogues are too sudden now, lack a breather/spacing in between them for the audience to emote to each dialogue. Mostly because it wasn't done from the raw footage. But, the episode's original cut works better for me.
Same here. Prefer to give more time for the audience to gasp the situation.
I think this scene would finish strongest without any talking at all. But then that's an issue which shouldn't have to be solved in editing to begin with.
I love what you did. I bet the editor had something similar at some point and was asked to put that exposition back in.
It's always like that. Fuck these studio executives.
Who knows. Maybe we'll get a comment from the editors or director :)
You gave me a valuable lesson on our podcast and I have taken that with me. The edit is a powerful tool. When I interview people there are many times where "what they say" is not exactly "what they mean" but with a little work it comes out perfect. Such a little known task with so much importance.
No offense but i think i like the tension in the first version better 🤷🏻♂️
I think they were just going for different emotions. Different kind of tension
Loved it a lot! The suddenly and speed of the gestures are a problem, yeah, but you decently did as much as anyone could have with such a footage.
I LOVED the line “I don’t think you have anything to worry about”. However, it completely changes the tone of the scene, and that is what I expected. After that line the tone seemed all over the place, and I found that confusing. If that is supposed to be part of her character then it would fit and “we” would be used to it. Otherwise, it is just distracting, and I found it distracting.
In your version you enhanced the tone/emotion of I’m afraid my wife is having an affair. The ending of them walking off into the “sunset” seems to suggest that they may now have an affair of their own, which certainly continues to build tension.
So, yes, I like your version better. And I’m always looking for examples of changing the meaning of a scene to something else. And, just a side note, I’m always amazed what good actors can communicate with facial expressions. Sometimes, like in this, it is truly amazing.
I think your edit emphasizes the performance better and the emotion imparted to the audience, yes. However, from a narrative it is jarring. I'm not convinced that Ethan would be convinced. In the full edit she carefully but gradually reassures him. He needs that to then be able to consider her advice and maybe even do something on the island with her (though we never really know).
In your edit it is too quick and it's less believable that the character would become comfortable with his reality with Daphne's limited words.
It wa a pleasure working with you on this video Sven :)
Hi.. It's great learning along with fun cutting as usual.. I have learned a lot from you... Here My view is, ' you don't have to know everything to love someone' somehow I feel is very strong dialogue for that situation... When it's coming as j cut suddenly I feel it's not registering well for the emotion...it's kind of jarring also with the cut... If it's me I could have sustained her expression for a while and then could let the dialogue come after that in the same cut... Bcos it's coming with stronger emotion...
Yeah it absolutely plays better that way there’s still even one more piece I would’ve edited out and that’s that one where she just looks away and it’s just a shot on her kind of a medium shot and she just kind of looking off it’s not necessary it doesn’t really build and she’s got kind of a goofy sort of smile on her face almost but the edit that you did much much better
They {YT} put a Hyundai Commercial in the middle of your edit - her narrative about mystery IMHO was helpful and helped me focus on her dialog and tone just a little more - never saw the show but I guess it ends with them going to the Castle place and giving each other Gonorrhea?
the more i dive into filmmaking the more i realise that it could be better for the creatives to do as much as possible in terms of screenwriting, shooting, editing and so forth. its just natural that with all these people in line for the endproduct there will be unharmonics. i bet in the old days it wasnt like that but i could be wrong
Nice experiment. I think you're right in that the dialogue could have been edited down a bit, but I'd still have started her line "You don't have to know everything..." on her. To see him instead somewhat diminishes the importance of her line. It's a big moment, and we should see her in that moment.
I like your cut much better Sven, because it allows me to think and guess what she's feeling and thinking.
I think it's good to allow room for the audience to make their own interpretations. That keeps the audience engaged. One thing I don't care for is when a movie or story spoon feeds everything to me. I see that as kind of looking down on your audience, treating them as if they're not intelligent enough to think and interpret things for themselves.
I think scenes in a series tend to (or NEED to) be longer than scenes in a movie, because of the running time. I usually feel like you did watching this scene.... "why are the characters talking so much? why are they repeating information? we don´t need this".
Just goes to show that the final cut is also the final draft of the script.
I should have been a film editor. I find this utterly fascinating.
I loved the editing on White Lotus. I agreed with all of your edits, especially the last one. The only thing I’m queasy about is cutting all of her first little talk, because it felt painful to see her try to convince herself that her rationale is okay.
I will say I totally agree with your take on her performance in that first silent reaction. That hit like a punch to the gut. You could just see her entire life going back and forth in her head. Her little nose squinch at the end…oof. Just amazing, that none of that was in the script.
I think it could work if you had the footage. Right now, it feels cutty, and that distracts from the emotional flow of the scene. The reactions to him feel like it's used to cover the edit. The scene is obviously about her reaction to the news, so our instinct is to watch her. I do like the idea that less from her is more, but the edit isn't working due to the limitations of the footage. Good video tho! Really helps the viewer engage on what editing is!
Ok I've been watching the title of this video change on my feed all day, anyone want to place bets if title #6 is the one that will stick or are we going for more
Suggest a title… I’m running out of ideas
Sir, I've been a long fan of your videos. With my friends, we made this short film where we experimented with some editing techniques. May I send the movie to you?
send it. I may not be able to look it, but you should always give it a shot
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Brilliant!
This scene always bugged me a bit, I think what you did makes it better. Ethan is unsure what’s going to happen, but the audience isn’t. It’s better when we can feel a little more what’s he’s feeling.
"It just weakens it for me" that's because you want her to act like a film edit, while the scene is shot so she acts like a real person. I find the latter better, less formulaic "this is how it should be done". People ramble. And then get it together. As she does in the original edit. Gives her time to breath. The new edit is more conventional
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Nailed it
I like the original better tbh
I like what you did, however In your recut, the audience needs to pay attention much closer or they will be confused to the subtext. The original cut was better for general audiences.
I bet in context of the whole show nothing would be lost on the audience
@@JohnSchimkeFilm Well that is always the question when the network gives notes. The editors make art, the network dumbs it down, the editors push back etc. Usually the network wins, they pay the bills.
Wow I like both.
yes you did make it worse loool. Very nice experiment, it actually shows how extremely well crafted the characters in the series were. Just cause a character is over explaining themselves doesn't mean exposition=bad, its that sorta strict adherence to cinema rules that can make your work generic, its ALWAYS about character. Her over explaining to him makes me think she was a bit embarrased nd started rambling to cover it up. Also to me i think she has a soft spot for him since she was vulnerable like that, so her fucking him probably meant more than just getting back at her crazy husband.
Those lines aren't just something an inexperienced writer just crammed into a script, it communicates something about the character, her relationship nd how she deals with it, it reveals how nuanced she is. Deleting those lines makes her come across like some generic calculating psycho bad girl like an amy from gone girl type character and she def isn't that.
i really liked this exercise, it truly shows why its good to know your characters thoroughly before editing. you can probably figure other things out in the edit but not your core character motivations.
Way better !!1mjust emotions and visual no useless words
She does give a great performance on the subtext in this scene. I like your edit, but that head turn does still bother me. Oh well.
DEFINITELY better. Less is more!
The editors definitely noticed but sometimes you have to spoon feed the audience especially when a show gets this big, this fast as too not lose the new viewers. It is what it is tho and I do like your cut better.
But then again, like someone else already wrote, I don’t even think there needs to be any talking at the end to begin with but that’s another thing entirely.
You should have shown us your cut before the original to see if we can spot the difference.
surely i like your version better, it is more delicate. but hbo wouldnt let mike leave it that sophisticated. audience..
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✅ Better, after your edit !
Her dialogue reaction in your edit doesn’t feel real or make much sense to me at all, as someone who isn’t familiar with the story. It feels artificial and I have no idea how she would reach those thoughts in that way at that pace.
I liked the original cut. Although i liked your 2 cuts at the end, the original gave more explanation to her character. I dont watch the show, but in the scene it seemed she is manipulating him. Where as, your cut was more on the nose. Sort of speak.
The problem, i think, is that you have already seen the original cut and are still influenced by that. It creates a bias. I wonder what the reaction would of been, had you seen your version first. Just my opinion.
Can you guys please stop with all this "better" bullshit? It's not better if it's your subjective opinion or your personal taste. Hint: No, your new edit is not better.
I think the bigger idea here is to show the impact editing has on performances, storytelling, and subtext. It’s what we celebrate on this channel. If this is not for you… :)
Someone who is trained to build a boat can build a better boat than someone with less training or who is untrained. Someone who is trained in photography can take better photographs than someone who is untrained. This can be applied across the board. It's not subjective. What's subjective and "personal taste" is whether or not you enjoy the new edit more than the original edit. Better, though, is not subjective to someone who is trained. But I'm glad you enjoy the original edit more. That's okay. There's nothing wrong with that.
In editing ‘better’ is subjective
@@mushi3101 no shit sherlock. Everything is 10% subjective on this world (except maybe some math stuff)