Can instrument rated pilots chime in here, for the hub and spoke scans is it more likely you might forget a spoke? For instance comparing it to the square you aren't going to miss anything but seems like a long time before you get back to key information.
21/21 !!! This is a great series. I feel that everyone should really be instrument trained or at least no a lot more then the basic 3 hours under foggles. That could be because I live in the PNW and most of our days can change in a hurry, plus all the mountains around here. Thanks for all the help!!!!
21/21 Though I'm not IFR trained all of this is helpful to me. I have had to rely on my instruments briefly/unplanned on a few occasions due to rapid weather changing conditions and am thankful for having gained some familiarity. Always helpful to add to flying skills in any way possible.
21/21 Shotgun steam gauge panels in the multiple planes my school uses. And they’re in different positions in each. Makes it challenging to relearn where to look lesson to lesson. Never a dull flight. Good stuff.
21/21. I have a hybrid cockpit with PFD, MFD and as tertiary, I have Airspeed Indicator, Turn and Bank Coordinator and Attitude Indicator. Practicing a couple of different scans. On 6-pack a T-scan was my preferred by far. I use what you call the wagon wheel (radial) scan on my PFD/MFD. Add when I am in and out of the clouds, I will call on when looking outside vs. being on the instruments.
21/21. Developing a great scan is important, but also a VERY perishable skill, especially when you're first starting. Even if not flying, you need to keep those abilities sharp. Good spot for a flight simulator plug! LOL!
21 for 21. Even though I’m finishing up on my PP, the instrument scan is a valuable tool. I seldom use the AT. I use the TC so I use the “boom” method - what my speed? Boom to AS then eyes outside. Am I climbing, VSI then boom eyes outside. Similar to your hip and spoke, but I use that big real horizon.
21/21. I look outside mostly and use the instruments sparingly. VFR rather tan IFR. What exactly is the use of training G1000 pictures if your training aircraft has steam guages or a pair of G530’s?
21/21. I use the Wagon Wheel scan. I make sure the Attitude Indicator (AI) is set to the picture I expect, then I cross-check with the Airspeed Indicator, Directional Gyro, Vertical Speed Indicator, Altimeter, and Turn Coordinator as required. If the AI is not showing the picture I expect, make it read right (i.e. manipulate the controls until it shows what I want), then cross-check. Seems to work for me.
21/21 I awfully passed my IFR written test for 75%. But for my excuse I passed it even before my first solo flight. As I remember from theory attitude indicator is not primary instrument for flying in IMC because it could fail at any time (sounds like a nightmare to me).
During my Check Ride for the Commercial held in Lakeland KLAL, the DPE wanted, after drawing the six circles on the blackboard, to know which instrument it corresponded to. Probably to understand if I had an excellent scan of the instrument
21/21. I use a rectangle scan counter-clockwise from the attitude indicator. Ahh😓 I'm a bit slow on the instrument scanning practice. I was only able to complete scan 5/6 instruments every time before the question.
I am 21/21. I scan my instruments as needed depending on my flight attitude. Take straight and level flight for example, there is no change in the power setting and configuration (like flaps and landing gear) then there is no need to scan the ASI, TC and VSI. Feel free to comment on this so we may learn from each other.
21/21I go back and forth between steam and glass panels in IFR flights and the instrument scan is definitely different and require practice on both to be proficient
I will watch them all, but I will get videos in my watch history so I can search for them later if I don’t have time to watch right away. Keeping the attitude is critical with no horizon.
Hi Jason, I'd like to tell you that your videos and tutorials are absolutely fantastic! And as I am preparing for my IFR chec-ride, I have purchased your audio book "Pass Your Instrument Pilot Check-Ride", which I've been listening while driving to and from work. Everything in the book was extremely helpful, but I caught one tiny mistake in your narrative. Specifically, in Chapter 10 "IFR EnRoute" where you explain standard rate turn of being 3 degrees per second, which would take 2 minutes to turn 360 degrees, and then you continue to explain the half standard rate being 1.5 degrees per second and that it would take 2 minutes to turn 360 degrees. I believe that you meant to say that it'd take FOUR minutes in order to turn 360 degrees. You can review the chapter and catch this error after 14 minutes and 16 seconds into the chapter. I don't mean to criticize the master, but I thought it is noteworthy. By the way, after listening to your audio book and practicing with www.sheppardair.com, I passed my FAA written IFR test on the first try! So, thank you for all the useful tips. And I agree, a good pilot is always learning!!!
I’m current on my 31 day safer pilot certification even though I haven’t been along for every flight at the departure time due some delays… So this will confirm my lack of any and all flight experience but why does the Attitude indicator show opposite of the actual turn and the turn coordinator show what the plane is actually doing?
For the aditude indicator, the ground tilts in the turn and the wings stay stationary..in other words, it's like the wings on the indicator "stay with" your actual plane's wings, if that makes sense. It mimics the view out the window. The turn indicator shows the "rate of turn"..not the amount of bank..even though the little plane is banking.
Hi Jason. 21 for 21😃. I'm loving this series. To put it in perspective, I just saw Top Gun for the first time tonight with my wife, it was good but I enjoy your flying instruction videos WAY better. I'm hoping to start my PPL soon. When I was about 10 yo my dad and I would fly often in a Cessna 172 he rented...some of my best memories together. I was at Oshkosh for the first time last summer..was hoping to run into you...maybe another time. Blessings brother. Thanks for your mission of helping pilots to always keep learning. Paul
This was an outstanding video! I've never really thought about a scanning pattern. I just used the Attitude Indicator as the primary and bounced around. So, I guess I use the T pattern with the Wagon Wheel pattern thrown in there. It makes a difference whether I'm level, en route and making turns, or straight in on an approach where altitude becomes more important. 21/21
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21/21 We have both gauges and G-1000 at our school and I like to also use the wheel method.
21/21 I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. Thank you
21/21 loving it
21:21 That was a great!
21/21 without nowing the term - I used your wagon wheel scan 😉
21/21. I use V and inverted V.
Can instrument rated pilots chime in here, for the hub and spoke scans is it more likely you might forget a spoke? For instance comparing it to the square you aren't going to miss anything but seems like a long time before you get back to key information.
21/21 !!! This is a great series. I feel that everyone should really be instrument trained or at least no a lot more then the basic 3 hours under foggles. That could be because I live in the PNW and most of our days can change in a hurry, plus all the mountains around here. Thanks for all the help!!!!
21/21
21/21 Though I'm not IFR trained all of this is helpful to me. I have had to rely on my instruments briefly/unplanned on a few occasions due to rapid weather changing conditions and am thankful for having gained some familiarity. Always helpful to add to flying skills in any way possible.
it time mate but you will pick it up mate i did am just starting on this but Jason right it did speed us up mate
21/21! Start my instrument training on Monday!
21/21 Shotgun steam gauge panels in the multiple planes my school uses. And they’re in different positions in each. Makes it challenging to relearn where to look lesson to lesson. Never a dull flight. Good stuff.
The random gauges and radios make it a challenge sometimes.
21/21. I have a hybrid cockpit with PFD, MFD and as tertiary, I have Airspeed Indicator, Turn and Bank Coordinator and Attitude Indicator. Practicing a couple of different scans. On 6-pack a T-scan was my preferred by far. I use what you call the wagon wheel (radial) scan on my PFD/MFD. Add when I am in and out of the clouds, I will call on when looking outside vs. being on the instruments.
21-4-21. Our club's 1965 C-172 and 1963 Cherokee 180 aren't six-pack panels. And not exactly shotgun. More like catapult.
21/21. Developing a great scan is important, but also a VERY perishable skill, especially when you're first starting. Even if not flying, you need to keep those abilities sharp.
Good spot for a flight simulator plug! LOL!
21 for 21. Even though I’m finishing up on my PP, the instrument scan is a valuable tool. I seldom use the AT. I use the TC so I use the “boom” method - what my speed? Boom to AS then eyes outside. Am
I climbing, VSI then boom eyes outside. Similar to your hip and spoke, but I use that big real horizon.
21/21. I look outside mostly and use the instruments sparingly. VFR rather tan IFR. What exactly is the use of training G1000 pictures if your training aircraft has steam guages or a pair of G530’s?
21/21. I use the Wagon Wheel scan. I make sure the Attitude Indicator (AI) is set to the picture I expect, then I cross-check with the Airspeed Indicator, Directional Gyro, Vertical Speed Indicator, Altimeter, and Turn Coordinator as required. If the AI is not showing the picture I expect, make it read right (i.e. manipulate the controls until it shows what I want), then cross-check. Seems to work for me.
21/21 I awfully passed my IFR written test for 75%. But for my excuse I passed it even before my first solo flight. As I remember from theory attitude indicator is not primary instrument for flying in IMC because it could fail at any time (sounds like a nightmare to me).
During my Check Ride for the Commercial held in Lakeland KLAL, the DPE wanted, after drawing the six circles on the blackboard, to know which instrument it corresponded to. Probably to understand if I had an excellent scan of the instrument
21 for 21 from Hungary🇭🇺
I’m using a combination of the hub’n’spoke and rectangular scan methods to scan my instruments
21/21. I use a rectangle scan counter-clockwise from the attitude indicator. Ahh😓 I'm a bit slow on the instrument scanning practice. I was only able to complete scan 5/6 instruments every time before the question.
Sorry, but why two watches? Silly but distracting until I know...
👍 21 for 21. Inverted V seems to work for me, being honest with myself I typically shotgun scan. 😔
21/21. I use the primary/supporting method exclusively
I am 21/21. I scan my instruments as needed depending on my flight attitude. Take straight and level flight for example, there is no change in the power setting and configuration (like flaps and landing gear) then there is no need to scan the ASI, TC and VSI. Feel free to comment on this so we may learn from each other.
21/21I go back and forth between steam and glass panels in IFR flights and the instrument scan is definitely different and require practice on both to be proficient
21/21. Glad you went over this. I think a modified wagon wheel will help me from busting my altitude.
21 FOR 21, JUST WATCHING THESE VIDEOS INTERMINGLED WITH MY GROUND SCHOOL!!!
21 for 21. I use the radial, mostly because I've found it works best with glass and I fly g5's.
I will watch them all, but I will get videos in my watch history so I can search for them later if I don’t have time to watch right away. Keeping the attitude is critical with no horizon.
T-scan on G-1000.
22 for 21 and 100% on the learning nodule. Not bad for an old Ercoupe pilot.
Billy N99601
21/21 I really need to continue to upgrade my instrument scan abilities. Thank you!
21/21 I scan my instruments using Wagon wheel, even though I did not know what it is called.
21 for 21. I do a mix between T and V. I use T mostly but use turn coordinator and VSI when turning.
21 for 21: As a former home school day I approve of the use of the marker board for quality instruction.
Hi Jason, I'd like to tell you that your videos and tutorials are absolutely fantastic! And as I am preparing for my IFR chec-ride, I have purchased your audio book "Pass Your Instrument Pilot Check-Ride", which I've been listening while driving to and from work. Everything in the book was extremely helpful, but I caught one tiny mistake in your narrative. Specifically, in Chapter 10 "IFR EnRoute" where you explain standard rate turn of being 3 degrees per second, which would take 2 minutes to turn 360 degrees, and then you continue to explain the half standard rate being 1.5 degrees per second and that it would take 2 minutes to turn 360 degrees. I believe that you meant to say that it'd take FOUR minutes in order to turn 360 degrees.
You can review the chapter and catch this error after 14 minutes and 16 seconds into the chapter. I don't mean to criticize the master, but I thought it is noteworthy.
By the way, after listening to your audio book and practicing with www.sheppardair.com, I passed my FAA written IFR test on the first try! So, thank you for all the useful tips. And I agree, a good pilot is always learning!!!
Yay! 21 for 21. Getting ready for my PPL xc solo phase check.
21 for 21! The wagon wheel and the rectangular pattern are easiest for me, assuming it's not a shotgun display
Didn't know what it was called but I use the radial scan on the G300 in my Skycatcher.
21 for 21. Took me a bit on the Fast Scan Learning because I haven’t flown in a month.
Usually when I fly I'm so drunk that I have double vision so I only have to scan half as much.
🤔
I think steam gages make you a better pilot, glass panel pilots have a higher accident rate, and I believe makes pilots lazy.
21/21 The instrument panel scan perceptual learning module is really cool.
21/21. Without realizing it, I was doing the wagon wheel method!
21 for 21 Really great content, Thank you for doing this!
21/21. I love those perceptual models. Thanks!
21 for 21 - I was taught the wagon wheel method and still use that primarily.
21/21 really enjoy this series ! Currently using a six pack
21/21 6 pack was the main deal when I flew back in the last century.
21/21 lets get it.. interested in the study paper from the collage thanks
21/21 I’m not instrument rated but love this series. Makes me a better pilot!
21 for 21! Best one yet! You are awesome for putting this material out there. Thank you!!
21/4/21 good morning Jason from cold N central IL,
L like this even i pick it up on that this great training school Jason it be of fun while we do it thank Jason for this video it class
Hey Jason can I have you as my flight instructor for instrument rating 🙂
21 for 21. Wagon wheel , not called that but , how I was trained
21 for 21!! Jason… why are you wearing 2 watches!?
21/21 beautiful video 👍 thanks 🙏
Well, I’m three for three but I’m catching up!
21 4 21!! Really like the hub and spoke method.
I’m sending a link to this video to all my instrument students.
21/21 I like the T scan and the wagon wheel methods
Wagon wheel scan is my preferred method.
Playing catch up, but 21 for 21.
21 for 21 and just signed up for the trial!
21 for 21! I like the wagon wheel!
21/21. I use a clockwise rectangle.
21 for 21, thanks for the great video's
the six-pack og PFD animation a great tool
Great content, Cool exercise. 21/21
21/21, I prefer the wagonwheel. :)
I was taught to use the rectangular scan; left to right
21 for 21....even on a Saturday!
I use 6 pack. I like steam gauges better
21-21. I was taught the T-scan.
Do you have a rusty pilot course
21/21 Great video. Learned alot
Always love these scan tests. Crucial skills for real IFR flight. Thank you!
21/21 you're doing great
21 for 21 Good stuff thanks!!!
Twenty-one. Keep ‘em comin’ !
21! Woot. I use Spoke & Hub
21/21
21 out of 21, wagon wheel
21s
21 for 21, Going strong.
21/21. I use the T scan.
I’m current on my 31 day safer pilot certification even though I haven’t been along for every flight at the departure time due some delays… So this will confirm my lack of any and all flight experience but why does the Attitude indicator show opposite of the actual turn and the turn coordinator show what the plane is actually doing?
For the aditude indicator, the ground tilts in the turn and the wings stay stationary..in other words, it's like the wings on the indicator "stay with" your actual plane's wings, if that makes sense. It mimics the view out the window. The turn indicator shows the "rate of turn"..not the amount of bank..even though the little plane is banking.
@@paulegan2252 maybe it will make a bit more sense for me once I'm actually in training or at least in a plane...
Fantastic video, Jason. As a newly rated instrument pilot, this is a great set of tips and guidance. And your kids are just adorable. 😀
I use a T scan. 21 for 21.
21/21. Awesome work.
21 for 21 Jody Spann
22/22 See you tomorrow
21/21 wagon wheel
Gordon is 21 for 21
Hi Jason. 21 for 21😃.
I'm loving this series.
To put it in perspective, I just saw Top Gun for the first time tonight with my wife, it was good but I enjoy your flying instruction videos WAY better.
I'm hoping to start my PPL soon. When I was about 10 yo my dad and I would fly often in a Cessna 172 he rented...some of my best memories together. I was at Oshkosh for the first time last summer..was hoping to run into you...maybe another time.
Blessings brother. Thanks for your mission of helping pilots to always keep learning. Paul
21 for 21 in 2023!
This was an outstanding video! I've never really thought about a scanning pattern. I just used the Attitude Indicator as the primary and bounced around. So, I guess I use the T pattern with the Wagon Wheel pattern thrown in there. It makes a difference whether I'm level, en route and making turns, or straight in on an approach where altitude becomes more important. 21/21