The Brandon Ingram Problem
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Rumors of a Brandon Ingram trade have been circulating throughout the offseason, with the New Orleans Pelicans reluctant to offer him the maximum 4-year/$208 million contract that he's eligible for.
The New Orleans Pelicans likely want to keep Ingram around to try and build around him and Zion Williamson, but that's made infinitely more difficult if Brandon Ingram is on a contract of that magnitude.
With the NBA's new CBA, the Pelicans need to be careful about becoming a luxury tax team, and offering Brandon Ingram a contract that big could jeopardize any chance they have of being competitive going forward. With Dejounte Murray coming into the picture, the future looks complicated for Brandon Ingram and the Pelicans.
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Should the Pelicans trade Brandon Ingram or keep him? Who should trade for him? 👇
Cavs for Allen.
@@nielgayanelo4043 Makes the pelicans spacing issue worse and the cavs don't need another volume scorer, when they got Dmitch and Garland
As an nba fan trade him, as a fan of basketball I hope they keep him
Ingram for Lavine straight up
@@walterrino9670they definitely need another volume scorer because Darius garland definitely regressed last season even tho his jaw broke I’ll give him a pass but Bi makes them a whole lot better they can easily move Mobley to the 5 and find a good starting 4 that would put them in a tier to compete with Philly or Indiana or Milwaukee
Has anyone asked Ingram why he won't shoot more 3s? Dude is costing himself millions by refusing to do something he's good at. It's so bizzare.
It is bizarre as a long time fan of him that his 3 game is what's been holding back a lot from his growth as a player since his MIP season
Probably could ask demar the same thing
RJ Barrett another😊 I sometimes think these people are narcissistic and can’t deal with bad stats in the name of progressing your career.
@ollytropics1735 demar spent almost a decade not being able to shoot 3s. I'm not up to date on his stats but even if statistically he's decent now, it's far more understandable that a dude who couldn't do it for 10 years of his professional career has ingrained habits that can't be broken. Ingram has been able to shoot since year 3. In my mind they're not very comparable.
@@captainmarvelous7678He’s still pretty trash over the season.
But he not infrequently has a random 5/7 from deep that makes you wonder.
DeMar has just enough good 3P shooting games to make defenders respect it. It’s infuriating sometimes.
Crazy how good of a PG Lonzo actually was despite being overhyped at first. He could facilitate like the best of em, guard the best opposing guard and learned how to catch and shoot. Lowkey the best PG to have alongside your stars.
Current version of Derrick White reminds me of the player Lonzo was, but I think Lonzo could have had a higher ceiling.
Ingram is a really good player. He needs to raise his 3pt attempts to about 7 a game.
He is to good to not be well paid but not good enough for the max salary.
There's gna be alot of people worse that'll get the max
His main problem is just defense
@@DanMarin-lf7feit's because of the new cba rules, but casuals like u don't know abt that
@@DanMarin-lf7fe For example?
@@blocblackboyblack9226 him and zion have the perfect builds to play D yet they just refuse to be good at it
Really fair analysis. The biggest issue is definitely his lack of 3pt self creation. But at the same time damaged confidence, added weights, and lack of players setting him up are also big reasons to take in. It’s definitely possible that with a full off-season to restore his confidence, regain his fitness, and expand his outside scoring skills, and just knowing what’s at stake he will be better.
Definition of a “good” player. Not a game changer but keeps you in the game…
Bruh at least you putting some respect on his name some people just calling him a bum outta nowhere he Just doesn't fit with Zion
Zion has missed numerous games over the last several years and Ingram doesn't look especially good without that "bad fit" in the lineup, imo.
His skill set fits with Zion but how he prefers to play does not
@@brendonwallace6640 i know what you Mean yeah but still he's a good player nonetheless
@@BlueGrovyleyeah people talk about him like he’s a near 30ppg guy without Zion
How do you know that if Zion doesn’t ever play?
Really appreciated the abundance of clips of him absolutely COOKING my Pacers, really needed that shot of ptsd looollll
He’s my favourite pelican that I’ve seen play, hope he gets paid well and continues 2 have a long career wherever he goes 🙏
As a Pels fan, I would like it if we keep BI, but we do need a center that can space the floor and rebound. Trey starting would be amazing too.
Honestly, Willie Green is the problem for the team. I don’t think he’ll be able to take us anywhere. So many choke jobs were because of his lineups and decision making.
Willie Green is one my favorite coaches from an Xs and Os perspective but this year is do or die for him in terms of optimizing their lineups and drilling in a consistent gameplan on offense
@@AlexHoopshe might get scapegoated if they don’t achieve anything this year even if they don’t get a reliable center
I think the pels problem is 3 fold. Zion is so great the offense needs to be catered around him but he's never healthy which is why having BI who is a great scorer is great. 2nd, is BI and zion are similar on offense. Both like to play with the ball, walk it down, and score. 3rd there will be too many chefs in the kitchen with dejounte, cj, bi, and zion and only 1 of them is great defensively. The pels would be better off starting herb and trey murphy next to zion and dejounte and cj because they defend, space the floor, and don't need the ball. I'm not mentioning the center spot because that's obvious. If I'm Nola moving bi is the best move because cj can at least shoot well and be an off the ball scorer. BI isn't built that way and neither is zion.
But cj McCollum chokes in big moments?@@chriskatona1705
3:12 This appears to be a coaching/spacing issue. Just don’t have these two players beside one another. If the guy between them is a good outside shooter then the defense either leaves him open, doesn’t double Zion, or doubles Zion and helps off of Ingram to hedge on the outside shooter in between them. That leaves Ingram the ability to flash to the basket to either receive a good pass or a put back as Zion has excellent court vision.
I remember your last vid dedicated to B.I. was all about his improved playmaking. That was really exciting as a big B.I. fan. I hope he finds a team that maximizes his skills and he gets a chance to compete at the highest levels. I wanna see this guy deep into the playoffs!
I'll be brutally honest, I just don't see how you ever win at a high level building around a player like Zion in the 2020s. The margin for error with being a TOP contending team is slim, and having your franchise cornerstone be constantly hurt AND no spacing with mediocre defense is just not gonna cut it, but crazier things have happened.
Ingram is a ball stopper.
Led the team in every passing stat, namely assists, secondary assists and potential assists
He has a Hitch in his shot that works from 15-20 feet but not from 3
He’s worth 30 mil a year max under the new cba. Prepare to be a lottery team otherwise
Just started the vid but in one sentence “Brandon ingrams problem is he attempts the same move into a contested midrange 90% of the time he touches the ball”
A lot of it is Willie Green and his scheme. He's turned BI and Zion into his primary playmakers and It's killed their scoring. Willie also doesn't run plays for BI nor Zion. They have to get most of their points in iso.
Warriors should should trade for Ingram
We already picked up Kyle Anderson and he doesn’t shoot threes what kind of line up would we be making
No way ingram will just stagnate the warriors offense.
thinking BI would ever play for Steve Kerr LMFAO
Yeah Kerr already proved in International play that he does not like Ingram.
really good analysis bro. You say it the problem with this team is the spacing. Ingram has shown us that he can be a playmaker. Now, the coaching staff need to figure out the game of this team and if it's will work. I think you can trade Ingram at the deadline if it doesn't work
if og anouby is worth 200plus then so is ingram.. the kid hasn’t had the same coach for more then 2 yrs… the pelicans got rid of alvin gentry who made ingram a all star.. i really hope he can get in a situation where he can show the star he is
Contracts like Ingram’s remind me of how undervalued Demar is
It’s the exact same situation with Trae Young: he’s a good player, but not for that price.
I just find it interesting that Brandon Ingram is held responsible for the team’s 3 pt shooting numbers in a way that Zion isn’t and McCollum isn’t.
I kinda respect the fact that he doesn’t shoot 3’s just cuz 🤷🏿♂️
He’s hurting his team and costing himself millions of dollars.
@@GoZags43 and Zion ISNT? Y’all pick and choose who u want to be responsible, and it ain’t never the OWNERSHIP 😂😂😂
He needs to be a Warrior
Ingram doesn't want people to say his game is just catch and shoot 3's and drive and kicks. Brandon has always wanted to have a KD/Kobe esque style of fading mid-range jumpers too.
KD can and will shoot 3s at good volume and %.
The biggest issue is Zion doesn't play and the team is still mainly built for him. If the team was built mainly for Ingram then we'd be looking at him completely different. I'd say Ingram is a great teammate as well because everytime Zion comes back he takes a MAJOR backseat to him. They may as well move him and let him rock somewhere then hope and pray the pieces they get back keep them in games on the highly likely chance Zion wont play 50 games. Good luck! But he definitely can take more 3's though.
I love BI, he's got way underrated playmaking abilities
almost 100k congrats Alex you deserve it
somebody like Myles Turner would help out the Pels tremendously
Pacers should try and get him. Halliburton would really elevate his game
i think hes one of the most underrated players in the league he would be a top 3rd/2nd option but hes main star is never healthy so he gotta do more than he should
it’s because he has no sense of urgency on the court…he’ll drop 30 if hit but he’ll also let the team just get spanked if he’s having a bad night and he’ll show no effort to even want to win…hes not selfish, but he plays the game for himself…he’s too okay with losing. No emotion at all, Kawhi is emotionless too but you know he’s locked in and looking to win the game, not just have a good scoring night
Another w upload bro
Perimeter offense now dictates the outcome of almost every NBA game. If you are efficient with your 3 point attempts, you are more likely to clinch victories.
Clear trade. He misses about 30 games a season, not the best defensive player and 3 point shooting is greatly needed.
The issue is $ & talent at the forward position. Zion & Ingram do not take 3s but Herb Jones & Trey Murphy (who also needs an extension) do. They need Murray because they don't have a lead guard & it showed last season when they lost numerous leads & crunch times minutes.
Their main problem was pace
Excellent analysis!
Watching him play: every year he adds to his game, but it’s the defining factor of his game for that year. This year he took a tremendous leap in terms of being that guy. The presence of Zion hurts the spacing for “guy” play, because he needs to be able to play inside.
Maybe Ingram is worried that he would be stuck as a 3 point shooter and be asked to take less midrange shots. Maybe he wants to preserve his midrange style of play
He can do sort of everything but not top at anything. He can be a good fit for a weak team that needs a bit of all. He is a poor fit for any team that aims for championship. People expect him to be KD but his jumpshot is too slow.
I'm guessing Ingram won't accept a four year, $140 million contract? I think he should. The market for him likely won't get much better.
Not a Pels fan but I hope they can still make some kind of noise with this core, it would be a massive shame if they never even made it past the first round of the playoffs. That being said BI has always been a bit of a mistery to me, he's very talented but I also don't see that"x factor" in him which would make re-signing him a no brainer.
It’s not just his refusal to a shoot 3s it’s as if the muscle he’s put on has slowed his game. He’s too methodical, when he was in his prime he was quick and a lethal 3 level scorer. Hoping he can slim down again and get his quickness back
Uhhh,he is in his prime?
@@clarenceorozco5300 certainly ain’t playing like it… he’s way slower and more methodical now go and watch his highlights from 3-4 years ago.
Under the new CBA, very few players will be worth a max contract. The last few years, the good but not great players have been spoiled. Five years ago, Ingram might have been worth a max contract. Now, there are only a few players that a team can justify signing to the max.
Trade ingram to cleveland for jarret allen and george niang. Move mobley to 5 and put ingram to 4. More compatible in cleveland, good defense and 3pt shooting in NOP
Great video!
Personally I’d take the 6’7 wing that can score from anywhere but prefers the mid over the always injured 6’6 paint guy. I know he’s unstoppable when healthy but he’s less healthy that embiid and I think they can get good players out of him. Rockets are trying to give away sengun and green. If I’m the pels, I’m fleecing them
The Pelicans tried to trade Ingram for Sengun and the Rockets said no.
@@derrionarringtonhe’s talking about trading Zion for pieces.
@@Taxthechurch Yes, but he said they were trying to give them away. They clearly aren’t if they wouldn’t take Brandon Ingram.
With harsher luxury tax penalties, teams can’t no longer easily extend stars who are not quite elites with maximum deals.
Nice vid❤
Great jumper, Good range and a tons of potential..I just think his mediocre teammates can bring em down..If Zion can’t stay healthy at least 70% of the start of next season, he needs to book it
Been watching him since his Duke days. When thing are going well, he goes well, and vice versa. Dudes play style is “bipolar” for lack of a better term.
Ingram doesn’t play the offense the way it’s supposed to be played, he was fighting the coaches last year on the offense
The coaches don’t have a clue what they are doing, particularly Willie. His offense is downright awful. It’s slow and requires too many steps. It doesn’t put personnel in the best position to succeed. I’m not trying to defend Ingram. He deserves some blame, but every player should be arguing with those bottom of the barrel coaches.
Ita probably a mental factor for ingram
I think having at least 1 more 3pt heavy guy could alleviate even more pressure from ingram
I think it just ingram choses contested 2 rather than somewhat contested 3, having another 3pt threat might probably encourage him to take more 3 because of spacing
Simply making ingram took more 3 will just means pelicans will have an issue with spacing anyway once people start not helping off ingram and they have 3 people mainly playing from the inside
Either nance or valanciunas need to go
my favorite😔
FIBA put on full display that he isnt part of winning basketball on a serious contender. His ceiling is #1 or 2 on team exiting in round 2.
really wanted the Pels to get Garland or Trae, would be a way better fit
BI is kind of a let down star. Part of it may be when he actually decides to step up at any given game. He has a sleepy face mentality. You don't know what's going on inside his head and as a fan its frustrating. Hit shots when the team needs it, and be a leader of some sort. But don't just show up and score. That's Beal's job in Phoenix.
Another team should pick him up and Develop him. Just not at max.
BI would be perfect in Philly to play the midrange
Rly good vid
What if the Pelicans learned from the Wolves & Nuggets you don’t need to keep chucking up 3’s when you can dominate with length going to the rim and defending.
I saw some dude copy your thumbnail bar for bar I forgot what RUclips channel cause I clicked off it once I didn’t hear your voice
if hit was kuz instead of ingram that got traded kuz would’ve been a allstar and better
Amazing breakdown, my bbiq went up!
Ingram on the Jazz would be nasty
those are high numbers for 3pt attempt, I feel old
New Orleans has a squad but it’s hard to win when you lose your starting C and the star player is never available
So bassically swapping MPJ and Ingram benefits both teams
pels fan, we do NOT want mpj
Minnesota fan, I wouldn't want either of them
@@patrickhanlon2325mpj would make the wolves so much better he can rebound space the floor defend specifically cus u can never leave him so ant down hill is free
@Jj-ry9yw I don't think he's worth the cap space he takes up. Plus we need someone who's a great teammate, not someone who is famous for never passing the ball. We need players that can shoot but also pass to get the bigs going and maximise Ant. Mpj is a bad pick for us
@@patrickhanlon2325funny to mention passing when ant is ur best player. That dude has zero passing/playmaking skills 😂
The Dejounte Murray acquisition should help them have a higher seed.
Toronto needs him
They seem to play better when the offense/passing run thru him or Zion.
Yall got CJ.... Zion unlocks everything. Just wait and see. Dumbest idea would to blow this up before Zion, CJ, and Ingram play a full season together.
Kevin Durant doesn’t shoot a high volume of threes and I don’t see any ppl talking about him
KD still takes more 3s than Brandon Ingram. Plus he’s more efficient than Ingram.
Ingram's problem : playing with Zion aka another "big prospect with injury and temper issues" which mimic recent Embid => will always create problems, with little to no possibility to win a championship but often have remarkable result when healthy (that's less than half the year). Guys like this are never worth a max contract, but if you don't give it to them they leave and as GM you are fired. Damned if you sign them, damn if you don't.
Brandon Ingram - 4 years/$150M.. 4th year team option. $10M bonus each-time he gets an All-NBA honors (excluding All-Star votes by fans) or if Pelicans makes it to the Finals.
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Nobody is gonna give Bi 4 years 208 million. So he either takes less for the Pels or get paid much less for another team.
I think he could be a strong 6th man off the bench.
The Pelicans need Trae Young. He's the only person that can make Zion and Brandon connect without being Curry.
He’s not great defensively, and without the threes, his offense is inefficient.
In todays game his skillset doesnt fit to be the 1st option. He should be a good 2nd option, but needs to take more 3's. Now with Murray, its even possible that he has to take even more off ball shots. So in todays NBA Ingram is worth something around 30 Mio per year, maybe 35 in my opinion... but not the Max. If he really wants to play in New Orleans, he should take a 100/3 extension. Just not sure he is willing to take that paycut.
Why not make ingram as a point guard since he needs the ball on his hands.. and he is a good facilitator and a passer... And surround BI and Z three point shooter as first 5... Bench Murray so that they will have a solid team2... Along side with Herb .. and Alvarado... Got to get a C that can shoot 3s.. Z and BI are ball Dominant players but not ball huggers.. so if they get doubled... Available spot up shooters are on standby... Just my opinion though😊😊..
Because of his style of play because Zion a one trick pony 🤔 1:29
The pels bout to have Ingram shooting 10 3s a game im predicting 38-39% from 3 this season
I haven't followed the NBA since he was a Laker, but did you say "4 year 208 million"???? WTF?!?!
Because he is a 4th option getting paid like a 2nd.
Because Brandon is always high and it slows him down. He forgets plays and his turnover are crazy .
Honestly ingrams issue isn’t his 3 point shooting or offense, it’s his playoff performance that’s it
Nope. No player deserves any blame for the Oklahoma series. That was the worst coaching performance I have ever seen. The players were put in the worst positions possible. I don’t Willie Green has ever watched film. He was outcoached from the first
play.
No brainer trade Ingram, cam Johnson could be a great fit
Ingram for KAT?
Naz Reid is playing well for Wolves. Ingram's playmaking may benefit them. kAT will improve NOP shooting but I'm not sure how he can fit Zion defensively.
Naz reid won't start if BI would be traded there unless you're suggesting to move jaden McDaniels to the bench
Cj should be a 6moty candidate
All my 2k builds were based off Ingram.
I look at like he can get guarnteed mid all day and maybe get you a 3 if he ain’t confident
3:31 bro there’s no way he dribble in off a wide open 3 wtf Ingram, I know he replicates his game like KD coming in but bro that’s wide open Rhythm Shots
I wish my bulls would've traded Zach to the pelicans for Ingram before they gotten Murray.
#bullsfan
Ingram is having a Will Smith moment
Ingrim on Golden State is a problem.
Nobody should want his next contract, that's why the Pellies are still stuck with him.