Concise, necessary information. Great delivery. Great graphical presentation. No screaming YT face. Concise straightforward title. Keep up the good work man.
Thanks Farajeh this has helped my offense a lot. Since i watched this i realized how often i would be going for shimmies and baits without really establishing why they should be afraid
The levels/layers of offense are bits that I think most people struggle to apply as they learn the things their character can do in any fighting game, and you explained those perfectly. Props on that. I do think it's worth having a follow-up on mixups beyond strike-throw (i.e. overhead/low/crossup), though I also understand that strike-throw is far more integral to SF6, so it's not like much was missed out, especially given the existence of parry. Overall, well done, looking forward to more.
Thank you man, I really do think the levels are something people don’t get, so I wanted to clear them up. But yeah, left right high lows are a whole other topic, I’ll save it for the vid about defence :)
You, sir, need more subscribers. This is an amazing guide. Amazing overlays, great editing, concise explanations, overall clean presentation! I can see this type of videos helping a lot of people. Don't forget to drop this guy a like and sub, boys!
Thanks for this video. I didn't know just how much that I didn't know about this subject. I just subscribed, and I'm going to start checking out more of your videos!
Amazing!! I've always heard that you should structure a gameplan and i sort of understood what people mean by that but the way you separated everything by levels really helped me understand. Thank you!
This video breaks down what makes fighting game offense so fun. Well done! This is part of why i switched to the fgc from smash because it evolves into high level rps
I mean, that’s one of those all time FGC banger that will not remain as a “hidden” gem for too long. Every single thing from editing to information is imaculous
Man, just tumbled accros your channel and absolutely love it. You have a great way of structuring and delivering knowledge. Looking forward to see your future content! Allready one of my favorourite FG channels.
Great guide! I really like that you breakdown all the terminology and your mastery of the game play mechanics is top tier. Thanks for making these guides, I appreciate the hard work that must have went into putting this all together. I also main Ken... until the Legendary Hungry Wolf shows up that is
I needed this, I don’t need to open people up, just the one mf on my friends list who’s got my custom room KD negative forever. I will, never and I repeat NEVER, be positive😭. Thanks for the video!
This video was amazing. I’m currently halfway through diamond 4 with Cammy. I’ll come back to this video to let you know I hit master using these tips. This is my first SF game so I’m still learning a lot.
Excellent video once again! (You can lower a bit the volume of the BG music, IMHO, sometimes it goes on par of/over your voice 👌) It would be nice to have a defence breakdown (covering options midscreen and in the corner), sometimes in the future 💪
I've been casually playing since 91 when the SF2 cabs first showed up, but I never in all that time parsed this out, strike throw is pretty intuitive b7ut the rest not so much and have always struggled. This is EXCELLENT education - I may not get better after this, but at the very least I'll know why now.
nice vid! for the defence video, I'd like some tips on what to do after blocking jumpins (screwed up the anti-air, when do I take my turn? delayed tech?) and what to do about command grabs
I think your neutral video is an absolute masterpiece and this is not far behind, but I do feel like some concepts could've been expanded on. I do think you are doing an amazing service to the FGC and any newcommers with these vids but I do want to give some feedback and if you're still reading comments I'd be interested in your response. - I feel like blockstrings as a whole should've had a segment. Just explaining the strength of hitting on block, depleting drive gauge, burning your opponent out and chip damage. Since most games you do lose something for blocking, it has good carryover from game to game so expanding on true blockstrings, frametraps and using frametraps to slide in fake strings and the mindgames around block pressure would've been something I wanted included. - I think other forms of mixups should've been included since while infrequent the game does have these options to open people up. It's also a decent segue to explain how parry fits into this since outside strike throw every other mixup is covered by parry explaining the unique effectiveness of strike/throw in the game. - I think mentioning delay teching as something that covers strike/throw 50/50 and introducing the need to bait and shimmy is something I really wanted included at least when you went into the layers. I do think you've done an amazing job these are just some things I feel could've made the video feel more comprehensive and I'm interested in your take on these. On a sidenote I love the fact that you used Kens target combo into run to explain combo routings I'm writing a script to make a couple short guides on the game and it's the exact same way I covered it too, it's such a great example.
I’m glad you enjoyed the video brother 🙏 in regards to your notes: So I cover the importance of hitting your opponent on block a little in my neutral video, and here I talk about jab strings and meaties. A whole segment would’ve been useful, however the demographic for these videos is intermediate to advanced, and so when I say “meaty” I just trust the viewer understands what they can do there. And simply talking about the mind games behind fake strings and etcetera would’ve been off topic; and the video would be much longer if I wanted to do tht topic justice Similar to the previous point, I simply say “meaty” and trust that the blanka (for example) player knows he can set up his doll into his mixups. Talking about parry would not have fit this video, parry is a defensive mechanic, and part of what makes these videos compact is that I stick to the fundamentals of the topic Same point with delay teching. It’s a video about offence, and delay teaching and parry are defensive techniques which will be in the defence video I’m currently working on. Thank you for the notes man, hope I cleared that up a lil lmao
A delay button is an oki option performed by pressing a button with small delay, it’s effective in catching your opponent delay teching, furthermore it can be effective as the slight delay might make your opponent panic and press a button, which will then get caught by your delay button
Waiting on the defence video! I just recently got into the game and I just do not know when the hell is my turn to attack as it just looks like my opponents turn all the time xd
@@fararjeh You dug your own grave. But in all seriousness, I hapopend to saw your vids come up in my feed, and I'm really loving them. Keep it up man. Instant Sub.
i dont think you necessarily have to start with "level 1" being strikes. there are alot of players i have faced recently who will bust out an invincible reversal the first time they are knocked down. so i usually shimmy on the first knockdown since that protects me against invincible reversals. its important to shut those down early because if your opponent keeps landing them they will keep doing them. some people are crazy enough to invincible reversal every time they are knocked down and that really shuts down your momentum unless you punish it i think the reason people will invincible reversal on the first knockdown situation is because they have seen it before. like when you see a ken dash up after his combo you already know to expect a strike or a throw. all of the kens throughout history have already established the strike throw mixup from that combo. even if one particular ken player hasnt done it to me yet. i know it exists and what to expect
While I agree starting at level 1 won’t always net you the win due to players like that, imo on average it’ll probably net you the best chance of being successful, until you reach a much higher level ofc
I've been playing fighters for so long, this stuff has been ingrained into me and I didn't even know it.😅 Been playing Streetfighter since the days of the giant buttons. IYKYK.😁 Little known fact of useless information. Footsie or, as he mentioned here, the shimmy. Started with a game called Karate Champ.
Level 5 is to OD DP on your own oki, truly let the know the opponenet they're downloaded and that they have no hope. Also the music was pretty loud it was hard to concentrate on what you were saying, especially towards the end.
I actually hit this on my friend the other day 😭 Also yeah, I realised 😔 my setup doesn’t make it sound too loud but it’s defo just a tad high on my phone for example.
Enjoyed the vid. As a fellow Ken main that made Silver. Is there a up to date guide or chart on his Oki and Meaty setups? I'm good on execution on combos just trying to stop mashing on wake up and working on my neutral/mashing in neutral.
Hmm I don’t think so. I would look around, maybe watch some high level games. Idk if they exist all in one place but you’ll be apply to find bits and pieces
i have a problem with the frame advantage showcase in training. Since it sometimes waits until it shows how plus i am, but doesnt show me like how plus im right after a specific move. Hope what im trying to say makes sense. To i struggle eg a lot with oki because i never know what moves i can apply before my enemy can act. I had a lot of oki stuffed by jabs and im uncertain on how to find out the right oki tool for the right knockdown.
hey! nice video but the music got a lil bit distracting lol. sometimes it was almost as loud as your voice so my focus went to the music instead of what you were saying in some parts
@@fararjeh it was good for a good part of the video until the later half where the music started to fight for my attention haha but otherwise it was a good video with a lot of useful informations so thanks for that!
I like this content so much first vid we cut bullshit by forcing respect this one 50%50 and oki but there something lost in between them after respect how u win in neutral to get your Oki and knack down 😢 I need help here
That’s all in the last video. Once you have respect, it’s about spacing, whiff punishing, and trying to punish your opponent and get a combo, which then leads into oki
Just go into training. Set the dummy to randomly block and practice your confirms. It’ll take a while to build the muscle memory. An advanced tip is if you’re trying to confirm difficult/quick things, is to look at the health bar instead of the enemy
The only ones I can’t beat as a Cammy main is the ones the always wake-up ex DP or super Even when they lose they still do it. It’s bat shit crazy They never stop so they inevitably shit down my offence. They know I can’t do massive damage early on if they miss. I play a few people who do constantly do this
You go for meaties because you want to stuff someone's defense into blocking or reversals or simply to force them to make an uncomfortable guess. I go for meaties because I'm bad and having the extra frames makes it easier for me to link my combo. We are not the same.
The video is great and informative; however, the music is just voice loud enough to have me staining my ears to hear. That was an unenjoyable experience.
Try using games other than what's flavor of the month when you're doing topics like this, because it makes the video applicable to more games, and makes it more evergreen. Getting footage shouldn't be hard, rite?
@@fararjeh I commented that before this was apparent in the video. The shade makes me assume the "You don't know X about Y" in all your videos is less clickbait, and actual something deeper. Sad, but a little funny.
BABE WAKE UP NEW FARAJEH VIDEO DROPPED
Actual good advice? Slick editting? A tight, concise script?
You just earned yourself a sub!
Appreciate that man 🙏
Only clicked in to verify that your are British, and indeed you are. Good day.
😭😭
Nah what lmaooo
@@tarodfowlkes3934 he changed the thumbnail it said “offence”
Concise, necessary information. Great delivery. Great graphical presentation. No screaming YT face. Concise straightforward title. Keep up the good work man.
Appreciate that man 😂 you know I gotta keep it real and straight to the point 🙏
most fgc materials cover only small bits of fighting game flow, while this video puts all of them into nice concise story. great stuff, thank you 🙏
explaining the +2 in this way, I never got it until now. Thank you.
This is easily the single most important video of my fighting game career. Thank you.
glad it meant so much to you brother 🙏🙏
Thanks Farajeh this has helped my offense a lot. Since i watched this i realized how often i would be going for shimmies and baits without really establishing why they should be afraid
That’s exactly what I wanted the message to be, glad it was useful 🙏
Your work is seriously amazing. Clean edits, excellent presentation. Awesome education!
thank you!!
The levels/layers of offense are bits that I think most people struggle to apply as they learn the things their character can do in any fighting game, and you explained those perfectly. Props on that. I do think it's worth having a follow-up on mixups beyond strike-throw (i.e. overhead/low/crossup), though I also understand that strike-throw is far more integral to SF6, so it's not like much was missed out, especially given the existence of parry. Overall, well done, looking forward to more.
Thank you man, I really do think the levels are something people don’t get, so I wanted to clear them up. But yeah, left right high lows are a whole other topic, I’ll save it for the vid about defence :)
This was written by a plat player
@@fararjeh Bet. Looking forward to it!
You, sir, need more subscribers. This is an amazing guide. Amazing overlays, great editing, concise explanations, overall clean presentation! I can see this type of videos helping a lot of people. Don't forget to drop this guy a like and sub, boys!
Thank you brother I appreciate that 🙏
Finally someone explains what the heck is Oki!!!
Thanks for this video. I didn't know just how much that I didn't know about this subject. I just subscribed, and I'm going to start checking out more of your videos!
Amazing!! I've always heard that you should structure a gameplan and i sort of understood what people mean by that but the way you separated everything by levels really helped me understand. Thank you!
This video breaks down what makes fighting game offense so fun. Well done! This is part of why i switched to the fgc from smash because it evolves into high level rps
Link pfp = lets kiss
Excellent video! Great editing with a clear and concise script!
Thank you man!
I mean, that’s one of those all time FGC banger that will not remain as a “hidden” gem for too long.
Every single thing from editing to information is imaculous
You’re way too kind 😭 I appreciate that man 🙏🙏
Damn this dude is so good at explaining and analysing street fighter 6 offence!
thank you stranger i have no association to!
Man, just tumbled accros your channel and absolutely love it. You have a great way of structuring and delivering knowledge. Looking forward to see your future content! Allready one of my favorourite FG channels.
Thank you man!
amazing videos man, looking forward to the next one! you're gonna start an enlightenment movement!
Thank you brother 🙏
Great guide! I really like that you breakdown all the terminology and your mastery of the game play mechanics is top tier.
Thanks for making these guides, I appreciate the hard work that must have went into putting this all together.
I also main Ken... until the Legendary Hungry Wolf shows up that is
Learned a lot from this video. Love how concise and straight to the point it is. Drive Gauge video please!
On it brother 🫡
BROO, this is exactly what I needed.
Thanks man!
Anytime 🙏
Thank you!!! Please make more of these I just learned why I keep losing. I kept trying to force the shimmy
Waiting on that defense vid. Preciate the content
🙏🙏
Absolutely adore your editing style!
aw thank you!
Excellent explanation of these concepts. 👍
Bro your content is excellent. Liked and subbed
I needed this, I don’t need to open people up, just the one mf on my friends list who’s got my custom room KD negative forever. I will, never and I repeat NEVER, be positive😭. Thanks for the video!
You better smoke him then come back here I gotta know
Never played Street Fighter before and this definitely helps me understand what to do. Thanks for the explanations!
welcome!
Very well structured and we'll paced video, to the point it reminded me a bit of Core A. And that's pretty high praise.
Thank you man I appreciate that 🙏
Before the thumbnail loaded, I thought this was going to be a video about making people open up to you
This video was amazing. I’m currently halfway through diamond 4 with Cammy. I’ll come back to this video to let you know I hit master using these tips. This is my first SF game so I’m still learning a lot.
I’ll be waiting brother 🙏
I’ve been watching fgc content for about 8 years and this is the best video on offense that I’ve seen
People like you make me wanna keep making vids man appreciate that greatly 🙏
I'll come back to this when I'm a little bit better.
Hey man, this is very good content, subbed. Keep up the good work. I'd love to see a similar video on defense
Lol nvm u said the next vid is defense, nice
Excellent video once again!
(You can lower a bit the volume of the BG music, IMHO, sometimes it goes on par of/over your voice 👌)
It would be nice to have a defence breakdown (covering options midscreen and in the corner), sometimes in the future 💪
Yeah definitely had it a tad too loud, thanks for the tip!
Love your videos, looking to apply this more consciously in my games.
my goat is back
you know how we do it 🙏
Was trying to find your channel, subscription notifs on now, keep up the good work
Appreciate that bro 🙏
I've been casually playing since 91 when the SF2 cabs first showed up, but I never in all that time parsed this out, strike throw is pretty intuitive b7ut the rest not so much and have always struggled. This is EXCELLENT education - I may not get better after this, but at the very least I'll know why now.
Dropping another banger i see
Great video,thanks for this.Liked and subscribed,dosukoi!!!
Background music is a bit loud
Very high quality video here. I hope you get more views
goated videos. thanks so much.
Thanks for your videos, veeeery helpful !
appreciate that brother!
nice vid!
for the defence video, I'd like some tips on what to do after blocking jumpins (screwed up the anti-air, when do I take my turn? delayed tech?) and what to do about command grabs
You got it boss 🫡
Love these videos
Appreciate that brother 🙏
top tier content i do say. aki main here.
glad you enjoyed 🙏
Great video
Thanks!
Super good video
yo this was sick
Ty man 🙏
I think your neutral video is an absolute masterpiece and this is not far behind, but I do feel like some concepts could've been expanded on. I do think you are doing an amazing service to the FGC and any newcommers with these vids but I do want to give some feedback and if you're still reading comments I'd be interested in your response.
- I feel like blockstrings as a whole should've had a segment. Just explaining the strength of hitting on block, depleting drive gauge, burning your opponent out and chip damage. Since most games you do lose something for blocking, it has good carryover from game to game so expanding on true blockstrings, frametraps and using frametraps to slide in fake strings and the mindgames around block pressure would've been something I wanted included.
- I think other forms of mixups should've been included since while infrequent the game does have these options to open people up. It's also a decent segue to explain how parry fits into this since outside strike throw every other mixup is covered by parry explaining the unique effectiveness of strike/throw in the game.
- I think mentioning delay teching as something that covers strike/throw 50/50 and introducing the need to bait and shimmy is something I really wanted included at least when you went into the layers.
I do think you've done an amazing job these are just some things I feel could've made the video feel more comprehensive and I'm interested in your take on these. On a sidenote I love the fact that you used Kens target combo into run to explain combo routings I'm writing a script to make a couple short guides on the game and it's the exact same way I covered it too, it's such a great example.
I’m glad you enjoyed the video brother 🙏 in regards to your notes:
So I cover the importance of hitting your opponent on block a little in my neutral video, and here I talk about jab strings and meaties. A whole segment would’ve been useful, however the demographic for these videos is intermediate to advanced, and so when I say “meaty” I just trust the viewer understands what they can do there. And simply talking about the mind games behind fake strings and etcetera would’ve been off topic; and the video would be much longer if I wanted to do tht topic justice
Similar to the previous point, I simply say “meaty” and trust that the blanka (for example) player knows he can set up his doll into his mixups. Talking about parry would not have fit this video, parry is a defensive mechanic, and part of what makes these videos compact is that I stick to the fundamentals of the topic
Same point with delay teching. It’s a video about offence, and delay teaching and parry are defensive techniques which will be in the defence video I’m currently working on.
Thank you for the notes man, hope I cleared that up a lil lmao
Switching to sf from mk I had to get the muscle memory of just ducking a throw out of my head 🗿
@10:38 wait, what are delay buttons
A delay button is an oki option performed by pressing a button with small delay, it’s effective in catching your opponent delay teching, furthermore it can be effective as the slight delay might make your opponent panic and press a button, which will then get caught by your delay button
@@fararjeh appreciate you!
Epic video 🖖
great video!
Waiting on the defence video! I just recently got into the game and I just do not know when the hell is my turn to attack as it just looks like my opponents turn all the time xd
Delayed throw tech
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Gold vid
🙏
I still need the part where poking spaceing and wiff punish come to play 😊
That’s in my previous video 🙏
“I’m not gonna do an intro. That’s gay.”
Got my ass ain’t no way 😭😭
@@fararjeh You dug your own grave.
But in all seriousness, I hapopend to saw your vids come up in my feed, and I'm really loving them. Keep it up man. Instant Sub.
cool video
i dont think you necessarily have to start with "level 1" being strikes. there are alot of players i have faced recently who will bust out an invincible reversal the first time they are knocked down. so i usually shimmy on the first knockdown since that protects me against invincible reversals. its important to shut those down early because if your opponent keeps landing them they will keep doing them. some people are crazy enough to invincible reversal every time they are knocked down and that really shuts down your momentum unless you punish it
i think the reason people will invincible reversal on the first knockdown situation is because they have seen it before. like when you see a ken dash up after his combo you already know to expect a strike or a throw. all of the kens throughout history have already established the strike throw mixup from that combo. even if one particular ken player hasnt done it to me yet. i know it exists and what to expect
While I agree starting at level 1 won’t always net you the win due to players like that, imo on average it’ll probably net you the best chance of being successful, until you reach a much higher level ofc
I've been playing fighters for so long, this stuff has been ingrained into me and I didn't even know it.😅
Been playing Streetfighter since the days of the giant buttons. IYKYK.😁
Little known fact of useless information. Footsie or, as he mentioned here, the shimmy. Started with a game called Karate Champ.
The music was a bit loud. But great video
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Level 5 is to OD DP on your own oki, truly let the know the opponenet they're downloaded and that they have no hope.
Also the music was pretty loud it was hard to concentrate on what you were saying, especially towards the end.
I actually hit this on my friend the other day 😭
Also yeah, I realised 😔 my setup doesn’t make it sound too loud but it’s defo just a tad high on my phone for example.
Enjoyed the vid. As a fellow Ken main that made Silver. Is there a up to date guide or chart on his Oki and Meaty setups? I'm good on execution on combos just trying to stop mashing on wake up and working on my neutral/mashing in neutral.
Hmm I don’t think so. I would look around, maybe watch some high level games. Idk if they exist all in one place but you’ll be apply to find bits and pieces
CAMMY COMBOS INTO HER TARGET COMBO FROM A LIGHT WITHOUT METER.
Oh i know the layers its just i pick scissors when they pick rock
i have a problem with the frame advantage showcase in training. Since it sometimes waits until it shows how plus i am, but doesnt show me like how plus im right after a specific move. Hope what im trying to say makes sense. To i struggle eg a lot with oki because i never know what moves i can apply before my enemy can act. I had a lot of oki stuffed by jabs and im uncertain on how to find out the right oki tool for the right knockdown.
Not sure what you mean brother, feel free to hit me up on Twitter I can help you out a little 🙏
hey! nice video but the music got a lil bit distracting lol. sometimes it was almost as loud as your voice so my focus went to the music instead of what you were saying in some parts
Yeah you’re 100% right 😭 spent so long making sure my mic was all good that I neglected the music volume, hopefully it’s not too bad tho?
@@fararjeh it was good for a good part of the video until the later half where the music started to fight for my attention haha but otherwise it was a good video with a lot of useful informations so thanks for that!
I like this content so much
first vid we cut bullshit by forcing respect
this one 50%50 and oki
but there something lost in between them after respect how u win in neutral to get your Oki and knack down 😢 I need help here
That’s all in the last video. Once you have respect, it’s about spacing, whiff punishing, and trying to punish your opponent and get a combo, which then leads into oki
@@fararjeh can't wait for the neutral lesson in the next video thank you for the good videos
How do i hitconfirm better? I find myself autopiloting into my specials too much and just cant get the hang of it.
Just go into training. Set the dummy to randomly block and practice your confirms. It’ll take a while to build the muscle memory. An advanced tip is if you’re trying to confirm difficult/quick things, is to look at the health bar instead of the enemy
Can you help me optimize my Manon?
im not really a manon specialist, but hit me up on twitter and i might be able to help you out
@@fararjeh sweet! I'll follow up for sure. What's your @?
i just seen this better late than never ig 😭 its @balfararjeh
u earned a sub, really helpful video for a newcomer like me
The only ones I can’t beat as a Cammy main is the ones the always wake-up ex DP or super
Even when they lose they still do it. It’s bat shit crazy
They never stop so they inevitably shit down my offence. They know I can’t do massive damage early on if they miss. I play a few people who do constantly do this
Well as long as you’re still winning those that’s all that matters
@@fararjeh nah the games are stupid. It’s not about winning. It’s about getting better. I can go on 10-12 win streaks it just feels like garbage play
I suck at rotating strike throw shimmy.
Gotta get to work then brother
You go for meaties because you want to stuff someone's defense into blocking or reversals or simply to force them to make an uncomfortable guess.
I go for meaties because I'm bad and having the extra frames makes it easier for me to link my combo.
We are not the same.
Hey bro if you could, next time, make your voice louder than the music you are hard to hear (maybe im just getting too old lol)
Great video but what if someone who doesn't understand frame data encounters this
My audience is mainly platinum and above so I catered the video to them. It’ll be a little hard to understand without knowing frame data though
Then they’ll go learn frame data, it’s not that complicated 😂
the music is too loud! its hard for me to understand sometimes!
noted, defo had it too loud only realised too late
@@fararjeh should note, great video otherwise
Bg sound is toooo loud
Noted 🙏
Feel like sf6 tbh has the easiest offense to apply compared to 4/5
Nice video but Od fire ball into drive rush is an abomination
the music is as loud if not louder then your voice, makes it harder to understand you.
Yeah man I noticed too late 😭 better next time tho 🙏
My tip for upcoming videos: Either do the video without music or speak louder. I have a hard time understanding you over the music.
Thanks man, yeah definitely had it up too loud think you 🙏
I think oversimplifying the game as "just RPS" doesnt do it justice
not really, but the best way to learn a concept is to first understand a simplified version
too loud music cannot hear you
The video is great and informative; however, the music is just voice loud enough to have me staining my ears to hear. That was an unenjoyable experience.
The bg music should be way lower than this , i had to replay each section couple of time to get what you're saying..
skill issue
Soooooooooo footsies?
Nah, offence
It’s disappointing that we now have to watch videos just to learn how to play a fighting game. I’m skipping the next Street Fighter.
You need to devote time/energy to learn anything at a high level. This isn’t a tutorial, it’s for people who really wanna get really good at
music is too high
the music is too fucking loud
Bit aggressive mate
Try using games other than what's flavor of the month when you're doing topics like this, because it makes the video applicable to more games, and makes it more evergreen. Getting footage shouldn't be hard, rite?
Why would I use footage of other games in my street fighter 6 tutorial video, rite?
@@fararjeh I commented that before this was apparent in the video. The shade makes me assume the "You don't know X about Y" in all your videos is less clickbait, and actual something deeper. Sad, but a little funny.
Ed's jab string isn't safe on block 🥲 people are just so used to block 3 jabs before hitting back they don't even realize it
I’m pretty sure it is? I may be wrong I’ll check when I can