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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2016
- Brennan shares his thoughts on probably the most unique digital camera ever made, the Leica M-D. Does not having a screen on a digital camera make sense? Is it worth the extra money over the M262? Watch to find out.
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I shoot film 98% of the time I shoot, which is nearly daily. THE main reason i shoot film over digital is to stay focused in the moment. No displays, no menus, no play backs, no nothing except focus, aperture, and shutter speed. The moment the photo is taken there is nothing more to do except be back in the moment. I LOVE taking a photo and having nothing more to do with the camera. Simplicity is where it's at for me. If I had the money I'd buy this camera. But for now I'll stick with My Pentax MX.
There is something special about not seeing the image right away, the wait can sometime be more rewarding! 👍
You guys gotta bring this channel back! I live in the east village and study photography at Pratt. we just started making photography videos and will be making a video about my new Leica! please start making videos again !
Nice to see a cool channel from the neighborhood :)
One of the most enjoables reviews on the M-D (hope I spelled it rigth) I already love this camera. Is like having a M3 again, or a M6 actualy.Thank you Leica!
Good views and video - thank you
what do you recommend as a first m lens ? general street shooting. whats thdifference with all the different versions ?
Good video and I'm looking forward to seeing the follow up. I've seen comments about a dust issue with the sensor. Any views on that?
I wish the M-D is as small as the M3 or M6. Very good review! Hope to see photos from the M-D, thanks!
What video-camera did you use? I like the color rendition and depth of field.
I wanted to ask the same question. :)
We've been trying a few different cameras to see what works best for us but this was done on an RX1RII.
Hi guys. I've been digging you channel. One thing about this video though, it feels more opinion piece than review. I always appreciate opinion in reviews but this seemed to lack some meat in terms of the actual product. I know Leica's (quality, heritage, M line) has been covered in many videos on and off RUclips but still. A more comprehensive product review would have been great.
However, thanks for the time in making the video. Great to finally see something on the M-D on RUclips.
I see now, maybe it wasn't intended to be a review to begin with...okay. My bad.
What camera did you shoot this video on? It looks awesome!😎
i have been shooting film leicas now for the past year and this camera looks super exciting
and makes me want to buy a digital leica!
Very nice review. I like the idea behind the m-d. Can you make a fallow up video and explain more about the camera handling? stuff like the setup..
This is a very interesting camera, I always tun off the back screen on my digital cameras, but sometimes I can't help but looking at the images after I capture them. I have one question though, how do you set the white balance on the Lica M D?
It's auto WB only.
This makes so much sense to me. I've shot film for a while now and this looks really appealing. You're not going to get the same characteristics as film but finding my own colour chemicals is getting more difficult. My M6 feels like it will last forever. Do you think this cameras digital performance still be relevant in 15-20 or more years? How long do you think the electronics will last in the M D by comparison to a mechanical film camera? I know only time will answer for sure but with no experience of the other digital leica cameras does the history of the other digital cameras provide any hints as to the expected life span of the M D?
I think anything digital is going to degrade faster than anything that is mechanical or analog. That's why there are record players outlasting iPods haha. There are still more than M8s and M9s and they have been out for a very long time and aside from the M9 sensor issue they are going strong. I think this camera and other digital Ms from it's generation will still be around in 15 years. I'm sure their performance will be bested (it was already not the best when it was released) but just because a newer model comes out doesn't mean that the cameras that came before it are automatically bad.
Thanks for the reply. I worked at a University that had a lot of cameras exchanging hands and most of the broken cameras weren't anyones fault, electronics just failed sometimes. That being said, they can take a lot of punishment. Is there somewhere I can see your images from this camera?
Brooklyn Shooters Channel generally, electronics never "degrade". The mechanical parts wear, but not the circuits.
Thanks for the impressions. The M-D looks great. Question: what strap are you using there?
It's the factory Leica strap that's included with the camera.
Thanks!
I really like the concept, a Monochrom version of this would be perfect. Does the lack of LCD result in better battery life compared to the equivalent LCD version?
Not related to this leica however I wonder what strap you use and how you hold it? I am trying to find a perfect hand grip for me :) Thank you
This is just the standard Leica strap.
I like the idea of this camera, in fact this is Leica response to our requests. However, I am already shooting the MP240 the same way, without chimping, adjusting the settings. TBH, there's not much in the leica to adjust. It has always been just picking up the camera and roll.
I used the screen only to format my card, and thats good.
If it's priced similarly to the M240, I will it some thoughts. I want the camera, but I can spend less for an m262, and use it exactly the same way.
There will be plenty folks who wants to buy this I am sure, as Leica users tends to be more romantic than practical.
got my MD... now ready to test it out... as for the audience for this camera ... let me just say.. if u find it interesting .. and there is no need to explain it ... then is for u...
hi, how do you setup a non coded lens on this camera? I.e. use a Zeiss lens? thanks
You have to code the lens yourself or just not worry about it.
+Brooklyn Shooters Channel thanks a lot.
Welcome to the M-D owners and shooters club. I definitely concur this M is the closest to the film M7 experience available. One item you did not touch upon is how controllable and predictable the camera is. I've been achieving 98-99% correct exposures, and of course, all of my shots are in focus as well (wink). Because the camera seems to always get the shot, I could see a seasoned professional M shooter using it for a main-stream tool, not just for fun shooting. Perhaps we can start a survey, what does the "D" in M-D stand for? I would offer up "Deterministic". Enjoy.
i think this camera has a market. I've never really been a fan of looking at unedited images on a tiny screen anyway, so the absence of one actually seems like it would be liberating. and since its digital, you can afford to shoot extra images to make sure you get something to work with. "leica's shouldn't be cheap, but they don't have to be that expensive either" i forgot who said that but they're absolutely right. id love to own one, but i cant afford the pride of ownership, and of course leica is going to charge that much because, well, they can.
either way, looking forward to more.
I just bought the camera I inserted the Sd card I is the shutter button the led light blinked I placed the Sd card on another camera just to check the image though I can't find it !
Think you're wrong on one point - there are many pros that will be all over this camera. This thing is all about simplicity and getting the image onto the card as quickly and unobtrusively as possible. So many pros, me included, don't chimp preferring instead to peruse the assignment take on a big studio screen with a good cup of coffee. Checking the camera screen simply slows the brain down and dulling picture making instincts. A good pro or accomplished enthusiast will instinctively know how to nail the exposure without having to check. Camera screens are surplus to requirements.
can we see some examples taken with it?
nice dial
You can put a tiny black tape on the Fuji X100T's eye sensor. That will turn the LCD display off until you remove the tape. You can also save thousands of dollars hehe.
I'd love one of these, but can't afford one.
You can also select "Only Viewfinder" in the view mode button... no tape needed :)
***** hehe. Yeah, but that's a digital solution. The tape is more, analog 😂
True! :D
Now, talking a bit more serious, I think all solutions are valid, but they're not the same as not having something like the LCD. It's definitely a game changer and something new to us.
With all that said, it's still ridiculously expensive (imo) and definitely not an entry-level camera (or either an entry-level Leica, cause it's cheaper to buy a used one)
not for me.
I'm happy with my M8.2 and its limitations :)
Bring Brooklyn Shooters Channel Back ...who's with me
Shame it's not really thinner without the screen, almost the perfect M.
pretty cool, if someone gets pissed off and wants you to delete their photo. Not that that happens often. Do you see a preview in the finder at all ?
Nope, it's just a traditional rangefinder with an optical viewfinder.
Not that I'd delete their photo anyway. I'd probably just tell them that it's film and I can't delete it.
Brooklyn Shooters Channel of course...its pretty badass there is not even a preview.
I might have missed the answer to this question, but there is no delete button on the M-D, right? If so, I guess it makes it even more film-like experience while you're out and about shooting.
i would love to buy this camera, if I had the money to do it. With that being said, I don't buy the argument "for the film shooter who just want to shoot with no hustle".
The M-D records only raw files, so a photographer who wants to change his film M to this M-D because doesn't want to put up with the film annoyances anymore is just trading those with the annoyance to be in front of a screen for hours processing dng files.
Are you alive guys ?
Hello, the M cameras have become really bulky and heavy compared to my M6 (which is already quite heavy). I can't stop dreaming about them though ;) The M262 is a bit lighter it seems but I don't want to risk a 10cm longer arm carrying it all day long. What about high ISO then?
Damn, I REALLY want that thing. Way out of budget though. :( Maybe I'll just get an M6, but damn, developing also gets expensive.
Flip my screen over on my Epson R-D1s same thing ;"D
The R-D1, now THAT is a cool camera I'd like to try.
the 6mp does kind of kill it, love the gauges and shutter advance though!
Only if you intending to crop a lot from a photo. If you see the files from the R-D1 you will be blown away how nice the colours rendition and details are.
I used a m9 and d700 and the Epson R-d1 files is extremely unique and detailed.
I have printed 8 megapixel files from a 350D relatively large back in 2009 .. that worked despite relatively shitty sigma lenses. So it should not be a problem with the Epson either, I understand. But honestly ... 6 Megapixel when working on a picture is an absolute pain ... The M8 is the lowest I would get ... now if they would do an affordable Epson RD2, with at least 16 megapixel FF, I sure would be tempted!
How I wish Leica or Fuji can re-create the Epson R-D1s type camera.
It would have been useful to have a small LCD, such as the M8, to see battery life and remaining shots .....
Nice review!
It shows that in the viewfinder when you press the function button.
Brennan McKissick yes but the small LCD of the M8 has a more analogue taste. Do you think to review also the M8, after 10 years?
I actually detest the M8 to be honest haha. That whole camera feels like they threw it together. The whole idea behind it when it actually came out with the whole "upgrade the internals down the line" but really didn't make sense and the sensor below 320 iso is pretty nice but after that it's really rough. Not to mention the special filters you had to have and that it's no longer repairable. You probably wouldn't like my take on it very much haha.
I really like Your reviews Man! I am sure that you can find the right words watching with the eyes of ten years ago
aside from the rear screen (coffee stain problem) everything on the M8 is still fixable! It's always written in forums that it isn't, for whatever reason, but it certainly still is.
now if only did the monocrom without the screen. Thats something I would buy! stick a 50 lux on it and your away :-)
Where are the new videos ; )
I can dream about it. 😕
Now that you've had the camera for 18 months, any new insights? For that matter, where have you folks been for the past year?
Brennan moved away. I got a full time job. He's moving back though soon and we've talked about making some new videos.
your statement at 3:55 is DEAD WRONG........Fuji XT1, XT2, you can go thru ALL the menus and setting thru the viewfinder
so, you COULD , rip off the LCD screen and still have full functionality
WHOA MAN. no need to get so HEATED! I guess if you want a fuji you COULD do that. Or you know. If you want a leica you COULD buy this one and you know, NOT DIE.
i loved leica film cameras and owned a few in photography school…….. Leica digital however…… :/
whatever makes U happy man. Im no hater.
Kind of a digital M3/4/5/6 camera
Without a rear LCD, this CAM will be timeless until the sensor fails.
Hey there, you guys plan on Coming back from vacation soon or....There are people checking in on this Channel weekly like hopeful losers (me included). Okay thanks byeee!
I'm an M6 shooter and I have to say that the MD doesn't make sense. The "film experience" of not being able to see your results is missing the point. With negative film, you expose for the shadows and let the highlights fall where they may (or pull back your development). The rolloff on film is much smoother and acceptable than pure-white digital blow-out. In digital, it's the exact opposite, and to ensure that you don't blow your highlights, there is visual feedback on the screen. Not having that screen doesn't give you a "film experience", it cripples your ability to do digital properly.
Anyway, patiently awaiting for your new material.
The Emperor has no clothes!
I've owned two digital M's (M8 & M9P) both of which I've since sold with a vow never to own another. The quality and reliability just isn't there. I'll stick with my M7, which is at least built to last and considerably less chunky than the digital series. Plus I can't 'chimp'.
Totally hear you on a few of those points. Digital isn't inherently made to last, so that's never going to match the film cameras. I've owned a m9 and can honestly say a lot of those quality issues you speak of were ironed out with the 240 series. It's a much more stable and better performing camera. M8/m9 just seem like they were made to fit the size sensors they had in a camera for the time. Everything else was secondary. Now that they got FF in there easily theyve really worked on the other stuff. The m240 made me all but abandon film for a while. It's great.
You should've talked about the size of the camera. It's much bigger than m6. Which kills the whole 'film' feeling because is so big. Also rotating wheel on the back.....
Still use my m7 after getting an m8 and m9, selling both and not willing to go try digital again.
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Just don't chimp... but seriously, I get it. I think many of us do, but I think all this romantic idea of analogue in a digital age? I shoot film and enjoy it. Whilst I can see the benefits of this camera, digital photograph still involves a lot of sitting behind a computer to get your image to look like Tri-X. I say, just shoot Tri-X to begin with.
Well that's the point. Like I mentioned in the video some people don't like the back end of the film process. And some people like digital files and don't want them to look like film.
Bluetooth / Wifi Raw SD card. Period! So it connects directly to phone. No big deal.
you shouldn't have to do that, its inconvenient, it is a big deal
no its not a big deal...DONT BUY IT!
Gannon Flint i wasnt gonna, im just saying its silly for them to remove the screen, if you dont want it just disable it like most cameras can but removing it greatly lowers your customer base, its still a silly thing for them to do but youre too much of a leica fanboy to see that
It's like saying "hey,put a crackling noise over your MP3 file to have the vinyl record experience without the need to fiddle around with turntable"...
If you want film experience,just shoot film.It's not just about not being able to see your images right away,shooting film is so much more then that.It's about the results you get and having negatives,it's a different process and workflow.This is nothing more then a crippled digital "wannabe" film camera...
This camera was silly a year ago....and it’s still silly now....
If you want the film shooting experience, just shoot film...
As I said, some people don't like the film back end but enjoy the experience of *shooting* that way.
then dont look at the LCD :)
not as easy on a lot of cameras, as you always have to set some kind of parameters .... that's why I sold my M240 and returned to the M9 ... the M9, with the exception of changing ISO, looking at the battery life and shots on SD left, I can use without the screen.
"effectively you just shooting a film camera"
This is so incorrect, from my point of view.
Shooting film is way more that not having a screen...there is hundreds of reason why people use film cameras.
"there is no difference between shooting this and a Leica M-A"
There is hell lot of a differences between Digital M and Analog M's...the only thing they may have in common is the camera body and the M mount - and that's about it.
I can see the attempt to do a casual review but we should be aware of the information we put out there....we growing a generation buying Leica just for the 'status' when is way more than that.
well "there is no difference between shooting this and a Leica M-A" aside from not advancing the shutter manually, shooting really shouldn't be different. Now the backend is very different, that is true. It all depends on what you consider as part of shooting.
Where did you fuckers go?
Funny how all reviewers are missing additional features... for a camera that has no features.
Take a xpro 2 an cover up the back. TIPS TO SAVE YOU MONEY!!!!
Dumb idea and no justification at all. I love the M240, and the back screen. There is zero reason for anyone one to buy in to this so called purist hype!
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.
Then don't buy it. Idiot. I love how your "opinion" is stated like fact. Because everyone should adhere to your limited thought process and workflow. Stop watching our channel dipshit, we didn't make it for people convinced there's only one way of doing something. Glad you got your two cents in though, so you can feel like your opinion matters. (Shocker: it doesnt!) 👍
+Becker Inal lulz #byefelicia
This camera is for people who have $10,000 and want to let people know it. If people want the film experience...shoot film! It might cost less!