Martin Miller's 21st-Century Picking Mechanics
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Martin Miller's futuristic blend of pickslanting and crosspicking gives him cyborg-like alternate picking ability.
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Another incredible video!!!! Thank you all so much, as always, you're truly changing the face of guitar instruction.
+Ben Eller As usual you are too kind. ...but don't let that stop you!
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Been a huge fan or Martin's for years now this was so cool to see
holy shite balls i know you
Holy crap, I've been practicing this for about two hours now and my playing has improved more than it has over the last 5 years. This shit is amazing. Thanks for these videos!
Unbelievable technique!!! Been practicing it for 4 weeks, and it really allows for near-impossible mechanics. I can now pick the end of the cliffs of dover intro without using finger-picking; just amazing.
Thanks for introducing me to Martin's playing! Hey Troy, I'd love to see Rick Graham under the scrutiny of the magnet cam.
Hopefully by now you've encountered some of his band vids where they tackle Queen and Pink Floyd material. Insane.
“The sheer lack of mistakes in the vast majority of the examples Martin played is a testament to the wide margin of error that his technique clearly has.” Excellent description. Thanks, Troy.
plus he is a composer, producer, improviser, sings,... All with excelency.
Get Jason Richardson on here.
Or Sims Cashion or Rick Graham
I'd love a Rick Graham study. His sound is perfect.
Yes!
i have my doubts about Jason's teaching ability, but he is an insane player definitely
Cool ...you know SIMS!!!!
Dats ma BOIII!!!
@@unfetteredaxes1032 sims is everyones boi
Guthrie Govan next !!!!
That would be awesome.
please no
That would be pointless.
Guthrie picks a small fraction of his notes and his picking technique is really simple braced economy style. He's all left hand
James Rockford fuck you, he is the best guitarist
This was nothing short of incredible to watch, thank you Troy for a fantastic video!
Those arpeggios from The Glass Prison are incredibly hard to play. The first time I heard them I was blown away. Rewinded and listened over and over. After a while I actually thought John Petrucci played them somewhat, well, not sloppy, but almost a bit behind the beat on certain passages. I double checked with live performances and Petrucci plays the arpeggios differently, sometimes with some sweep picking involved - and not very tight at all (we can lower the playback speed on youtube to 0,5x). You can hardly blame him, it's so fast. But the fact remains, Martin Miller is able to pick every note and through these techniques (that he is aware of) he plays the arpeggios more accurate than the original artist.
A true guitar technique engineer I would say. See the problem - apply techniques - solve the problem. Incredible.
+Jonatan OTW Great comment. If I can add anything it's that I don't really believe so much in "hard" any more. It was "hard" to cure Polio before we knew what caused it, because we were essentially trying things that had no reason to work in the first place. The same would be true trying to play Yngwie with no knowledge of techniques like pickslanting. When you see someone like Martin, who can play these kinds of lines all day long with very little effort and a very high expectation of accuracy, what this really means is that he's found a way of doing it that makes them easy. All we have to do is figure out what it is!
+Troy Grady Very true! Thanks again.
+Troy Grady Yet we still live in a musical world where the dominant culture says "just keep practicing until you figure it out." Boggles my mind how so many guitarists (and even instructors) adhere to tenets that would be rejected by instructors in virtually any other domain. "You want to learn to program in Java? Just keep typing until you figure it out..." "You want to learn violin? Here's you're instrument, go experiment on your own until you find a technique that feels right to you..." "You want to learn to box? There's the ring, get to learnin'..."
+severalpaperclips Sad but true. Let's do our best by trying to change that, Troy's videos is a huge step in the right direction for guitar education.
Gotta agree with you, that has been bugging me for ages. Some people are lucky to just stumble across things, while others need specific guidance. Citing famous players as examples cause they claim to be self-taught is silly, because they are exceptions to the rule. If someone struggles with picking it's not because they lack the requirements to do it, but it's because they're using the wrong mechanics.
An instrumemt like the violin or piano is largely figured out and standartized, which is why music schools and colleges are having a much higher success rate when it comes to bringing forth virtuoso players. Hell, that even goes for classical guitar!
Very interesting and a true testament to how phenomenonal Martin is! It would be awesome to watch something similar with Guthrie!
These categories sound like bizarre insults: "Eric is a downwar pick slanter" hahaha great video man!
Hshahhahaha true
Troy you did it again! Thank you for for introducing me to this amazing player. And thank you Martin for sharing your secret sauce.
YESSSSS! He may not be as known as these awesome fellows you usually frequent, but I really hope you can go into the details behind Rick Graham's playing. He is INSANE as well
Very important to mention is his use of the whole arm for string placement, like Steve Morse does.
It is the combination of the whole thing together: Shoulder, arm, wrist, fingers.
Martin's picking reminds me a lot of Kiko Loureiro's (ex-Angra guitarist/current Megadeth guiarist)
I'm sure he does this 'Miller Picking'
+Paul Farrell I agree! Probably he does. Also, would be interesting to analyse the whole mechanics Kiko uses.
Ex angra?
+Onkel Bin yer :s He's officially left Angry, hasn't he? The guitarist from Almah has replaced him right? I'm sure I remember Rafael posting a statement that Kiko has officially left since he's in Megadeth.
Paul Farrell
:(, i thought angra took a break from touring, thats why he was able to make an album for megadeth.
+Onkel Bin Nope :/ Kiko and Rafael were a great guitar team too.
Awesome video.. I can't imagine doing any of this without Jazz III picks though. Those picks changed my playing forever.
+Lukesifer sixsixsix I find that for one-way pickslanting, virtually any pick will work. But for two-way pickslanting, the sound of my attack on my secondary slant really suffers without a sharp pick. But for me the prescription is the Jazz III XL, only downside being that the nylon is less grippy than I'd like. I used the regular black stiffo Jazz III for a couple of years, but I've come back to preferring regular-sized picks. I've got to track down some Tortex Jazz III XLs to see if they give me the best of all worlds...
Man, that is just kick ass! I'll be joining Cracking the Code today. Thanks, Troy!
The production of this video is top notch. Very fine and instructional. Thanks
Very enlightening video! Bravo! One factor maybe I just havn't heard is how tightly one holds the pick. It looks to me like Martin lightens up on how he holds the pick when applying more crosspicking.
Fantastic. These videos have changed my life, Troy. Thank you for all of your work!
Been a fan of this dude since the Petrucci Forum was a thing. An amazing player and a good dude.
9:58, the way he executes "tumeni notes" of Steve Morse, this is mindblowind
Hey troy, could you get paul gilbert to do such an interview?
+24Swiffer TOM QUAYLE TOO PLZ
+Kyle James Dalton i second this, his legato is mesmerizing
+24Swiffer Good one , i would love to see Paul Gilbert as well ..
+24Swiffer I' d love Vinny Moore
He tried. The camera overheat and broke.
How the hell Troy has only 100K subs?!?!?!?!?! This channel deserves at least a 1M.
Hi, Troy Grad. I think a missing component/topic in the series (I think I understand why) is the amount and kind of pressure you apply to the pick (usually wuth thumb and index). Here we see Martin Miller is lightly holding the pick, so the pick flops considerably. The physical sensation and proficiency can change considerably based on that said pressure (or lackof). Another thing the series might have missed is discussing a bit of the pick themselves: calibers and types. Your videos are awesome, thanks!
Fantastic look into his mechanics. Great work as always Troy.
Great musicians as always, Troy.
1) I hope there will be studio albums with great compositions, that will deploy fully Martin Miller's or Marshall Harrison's great talents.
2) I feel that one day you will be interviewing Yngwie himself!!! A cycle will close.
No do Guthrie Govan and scott anderson
Scott Henderson is so much underrated
Troy... as usual, excellent work...your contribution to the guitar community is immense.
Having purchased both the 'Volcano' and ' Anti-Gravity'....
+Dinesh Veliath Doesn't Antigravity kick so much ass it's ridiculous? Glad it came out within my lifetime.
+severalpaperclips : very true.... i remember back in the day...when i used to watch the likes of Yngwie , Marty shred to heaven and back....and wonder "how do these guys do it"?!!
kudos to you Troy...u have removed the 'physical' block between creativity and expression
martin is one of the best technical player of this generation, his picking stuffs are like a god level.....
It's so strange to se this motion. It looks like pick is moving too away from the strings in unefficent way. They always tell you in order to be able to shred high speed you need to make your movements as small and as economical as possible. Great video!
Would love to see Andy James on here!! Show us upward pickslanters some love! Great interview Troy!
On a more primitive level I can relate to this. I started playing when I was 15 without any guidance from anyone yet I developed pretty good alternate picking skills. I could (still can, it's like riding a bike) quickly run the major scale up and down in different ways and people were easily impressed by it. Unfortunately I lacked the ear or talent to play anything else so I ended up with a nice tone and the ability to play along with simple music using single notes but never developed a broader understanding of music. I think had I been better in understanding the musical language, I would have developed my playing further and the fingers and picking would have followed. That just falls into place automatically if it is the most effective way to play something, it becomes like walking. Finger movements get linked to musical phrases in your control system after being repeated a number of times. Typical in this regard is Yngwie, when asked about his right hand technique his answer was "I don't know, I never looked. I just knew what I wanted to hear". I never knew what I wanted to hear, I just went through the motions and sometimes I was like "O, that's cool!". At age 54 I know that is not the way. I acknowledge that sometimes you need to be shown the basics to get you on the right track but I am skeptical about the usefulness of all this to the typical guitar student.
Holy shit!!! This is happening to me, thank u for the advice
This video and Martin sharing this is sooooo awesome! Thank you
Holy cow, that was one in depth video! Awesome content!
If Guthrie Govan is ever in your area you should totally do an interview. For the good of humanity.
Nape Star amen!!!
this is the fucking best channel for guitar players who like to do the shits right....good job sir, and thanks you so much
Any idea why Martin switched between a Big Stubby and Jazz III pick in this video?
ShredTraining Even I was wondering the same. My assumption, fatter picks give better stability while playing Petrucci/super fast licks, if you know ... recently Petrucci also moved to a fatter pick.
This appears to be the thing I was missing in my technique that led to me giving up guitar 20 years ago. John McLaughlin was the super fast picker back in those days ... Whom I wanted to emulate and could never get it, so I moved on to other pursuits.
Come with me if you want to shred! ;-)
+TheGazza83 Touché!
I'd love to have an explanation of that one day. Because I'm french, and nobody uses this expression. ^^
Think it is a reference from the movie "Terminator 2"
SkitaEkul Havn't seen this one. Such a bad filmography culture. ^^ Thank you for explanation !
Ha! I think you're asking about the phrase "touché". It's a technical term from fencing, used when your opponent has hit ("touched") you with their sword and scored a point. In common conversation, it is an acknowledgement that someone said something even more clever than what you said. And yes, what TheGazza83 said was a paraphrased quotation from the movie "Terminator". So many layers here!
That lick at 10:00... Holy fucking fuck.
that's the main melody of "tumeni notes" by steve morse
Really hard to stand out on guitar these days!
There are too many great players!
Another great episode - thanks Troy!
And like Martin, I never once put thought into "picking technique" up until a few years ago. 7 years of trial and error gave me a very similar picking style to his. I started out playing bluegrass with some older people when I was about 13. That's where my crosspicking abilities came from. I also spent a lot of time playing acoustic guitar and arpeggiating notes. I actually learned to arpeggiate notes before I ever started strumming chords. I never put much thought into inside vs outside picking, economy vs alternate, etc. I just played it the way it was easiest to play. It takes a lot more energy to play this way, but it's what is easier for me. Nice video. Thought I was the only weirdo.
i'm happy to discover I've been doing that MP motion forever without knowing it was a thing
only 56k subs? you deserve 1 million!
waiting for paul gilbert...
fabrizio peretti Won’t happen. Paul has his own guitar teaching website. It’s how he makes money.
Well also, regardless of what Troy says, I don't believe that Paul uses "pick slanting" nor do I even believe "pick slanting" is a thing (other than a thing used to sell Troy's product).
Jimuzuko you’re a flat earther aren’t ya?
@@charlesgoller71 hahaha
Jim rhymes with dim.
Beautiful video! This type of content is paving the way towards mastery. Sending love!
Not one time was the pick grip discussed - how tight he’s grasping the pick itself. Some people hold it very stiff and drive the pick through the strings but others let it move around a bit. This makes a huge impact in picking speed and articulation.
It would be insane if you could get Guthrie Govan's 32nd note strumming technique, or Jason Richardson!
You need to check out Dave Disanto of Vektor. He has a very unique picking style. It resembles "snap picking" or "circular picking" but it uses a LOT of thumb snapping.
Love your content, it's been life changing as a guitarist! Might I suggest to go interview Wes Hauch as he's not only a staunch believer in what you've discovered, but he teaches it really well (and is one of the cleanest sounding shred monsters you'll hear..... like every not is just crisp and articulated so perfectly).
Man ! Your work is awesome. Thank you so much for sharing .could you study Jason Becker and make a video ?
Great video and a new player I didn't know about beforehand! By the way, if it's at all possible you should get in touch with Takayoshi Ohmura and do a video with him. Amazing alternate picking technique with some hybrid picking thrown in. Here's a video, though it's a bit old: ruclips.net/video/QQ4AsE0jjeg/видео.html
One of a kind
Pick slanting along with multiple picking fingers, whoa.. Nice
Unreal player!!
Now get us (chant with me now people)
Rick Graham and Guthrie!!
Love it. Its interviews like this, and of course your magnet, that give me more insight than any other picking tutorials. His method works beautifully on two-note per string sequences.
great lesson thank you troy and mark
Thanks man,great video!!!
hey troy you should do one on Christian and Muhammed suizmez from necrophagist they got some good picking and it be nice to see an episode of those two on cracking the code
Hey Troy, what would be very cool is if you did this with a beginner player, and show the differences between them and master players like Paul Gilbert and Eric Johnson.
His time is phenomenal. Like Coltrane on guitar.
I think the "finger movement" isn't intentional but rather, it happens by default because the joints in his right hand remain so relaxed.
it's interesting at 2:10 the way troy's fingers end up under the strings. it was the old MAB video that got me experimenting with three finger anchoring to enable a DPS (upwards escape) that basically lead me actually tucking my fingers under the strings to develop an inward/outward motion. i can now DPS/UPS without anchoring... but every once in a while i'll feel my fingers grabbing the bottom sidewall of the tray-style bridge of my tele. I'm naturally an UPS and can now just as easily DPS (Thanks to Troy and MAB), but the Andy Wood vids got me "re-embracing" my UPS mechanics for many things. I guess it's "keep everything on and the table and do whatever works."
How good can a video be? This is a real content creation masterpiece!
Great video. Thanks!
To all fellow guitarists. Try watching Cracking The Code during practice sessions for some inspiration. Have a great day and technique!
Yay! Dream Theater! Would love to see an episode studying John Petrucci.
Great stuff! It confirmed my own opinion. I've been looking at Martin Miller and Tom Quayle picking for some time because we had a few lessons with both back on the DIME Guitar degree. I had notice it. Also, Troy, you know one guy that, IMO, does the same type of "finguer swing technique"? Daniele Gottardo and Govan too I noticed it because I had the privilege of sitting one-on-one the amazing Gottardo and I attended a few workshops and gigs by Govan. Is the "swing pick technique" a tendency for 2020!? Amazing work, keep it up pls! New knowledge is beeing created.
Can someone tell me why people use anything but crosspicking? It seems to offer the most freedom of movement, letting you play stuff that doesn't have to be planned out in advance. What is the downside to using it?
We can only infer from what we've seen. But if guys like Martin, who are absolutely at the top of their game, still use 2wps in their fastest phrases, let's just assume there's good reason for it. Also, understand that everything still needs to be "planned out in advance". All of Martin's lines are rehearsed to some extent. This is necessary not just for picking, but also to navigate the fretboard. There is far too much "math" involved in connecting the shapes, it cannot be done entirely in real time. All these picking systems do is make it possible, instead of impossible, as it used to be for many of us.
***** I can get behind that. I guess that, for me, being a guy who doesn't really like the sound of high speed picking for faster runs (I prefer the more fluid sound I get with slides and legato - I basically outright stole Mike Moreno's technique of picking only upbeats if possible, for the rhythmic swing it gives), but if you're all about being able to play fast single note lines, power to you. I think stylistically it's not for me. But the arpeggio stuff you can do with crosspicking - I'm pretty sure I've found the technique to work on.
And, for probably the millionth time you've heard it, thank you and congratulations on your achievement with this series!
No worries thanks Darragh. My best advice to you, and to everyone, is not to be too specific in what you think your picking technique will turn out to look like. If you look at guys like Andy Wood, who does a lot of the kinds of playing you describe, you see how opportunistic it all is. All these techniques flow together, and he's not conscious of switching between them. Instead of saying, I'm going to practice crosspicking, or 2wps, or whatever, practice what you can get the soonest and with the least effort. Then use that technique to write and play lines you like. Then move on to the next technique. Every letter in the crossword helps you fill in the other letters.
After Troy shedding all this light on these techniques and me giving it some thought, my current conclusion (which might be a different conclusion 6 months from now) is that 2wps is greater for sheer speed. Most of what I'll pick will be based on crosspicking but if I try to apply that technique to 3-note-per-string runs I feel it's holding me back speed-wise. Also the hand position of 2wps seems to lend itself better to super aggressive muting á la Paul Gilbert.
Okay, I get it. Basically, crosspicking gives you freedom of movement across strings, and 2WPS gives you freedom of speed. Best of both worlds.
I love that I asked a question on an open forum and the 2 people directly involved in it answer. Thanks, guys!
Excellent video once again Troy! I can't tell you how many players I have turned on to your videos. And Martin so such an incredible player. This video affirms what I have been thinking about all of this… that mastery of cross picking is really where it's at. And this is because it removes the limitation of adhering to pick slanting rules and allows you to be ready for practically any melodic passage. Between Martin, Steve Morse, Albert Lee and the bluegrass players I think it's obvious that getting cross picking up to a high speed reaps the most rewards.
+Ben Butler Exactlly.It just gives you total freedom.
And one more thing.Tone.Alternate picked(cross picked)one note per string
lines just sound more dynamic(better)in contrast to flat sound of sweep picking...despite what someone(even Troy)is saying
+Ben Butler There is no question that crosspicking adds another layer of superpowers to what we can do with picking. But Martin is also equally reliant on pickslanting, and uses both systems to varying degrees for different licks. The Glass Prison example we look at here is just one of those, which is very clearly a 2wps lick where pickslanting makes some of the crosspicked string changes easier. The many ways he tackles pentatonic licks in the interview is another good example. They are sometimes uwps, sometimes dwps, and often with a little crosspicking movement baked in. It's very hard to call them one or another. No question this makes summarizing and teaching what he's doing a little harder. But Martin himself is a pretty analytical guy so hopefully he'll be able to shed some more light on this as he becomes more conscious of these movements.
I always did thing this way, but when I watched videos, I thought I was doing things wrong. But honestly I can't do the other picking techniques very well. I can't sweep anything like some of these metal guys, but I can crosspick arpeggios pretty fast.
Oh damn. I was naturally doing his kind of picking, except I was over tensing and assumed I needed to change the overall technique, but I guess I could've just relaxed a little and stuck with it ;)
simply amazing, thanks for these videos Troy, the best chanel on youtube
Again Troy, thanks for this. Not only is the presentation entertaining but the scientifically analytical angle you take from a mechanics standpoint is really appropriate and needed.
And kudos for throwing Dream Theater in there :D. Would love your take on Jari Maenpaa's odd 4-string sweeps and the like in Wintersun, though it's probably something you've covered already.
We all still waiting for the Buckethead!
*21st century pickzoid man*
Troy, have you analyzed John Petrucci's picking technique? Would you classify John Petrucci as a "modern" crosspicker? Kind of like somewhere between Steve Morse and Martin Miller?
I really like how they emphasize the hours of practice. On another note: Pebber Brown, scalpel picking
+Niek Timmermans Nonetheless, very impressive technique.
I have said this once but I'll say it again. You absolutely NEED to do a breakdown on Shawn Lane's technique!
+Flornmonk HOW?
+Marcus Vinnas By watching his videos?
he's fucking dead you idiot
Eric Kindel You're the fucking idiot here. Of course I know he's dead. I just want Troy to study the videos that are available on youtube and then break it down in to episodes. Just like he did with Vinnie Moore, Eric Johnson and Paul Gilbert. He made separate videos on those guys just by studying video footage of them.
+Flornmonk Lane was so fast that maybe only videos isnt enough IMHO
These videos have been invaluable for me in developing my picking technique, and approaching practicing exercises and licks from a completely different perspective. Cannot thank you enough for the work you're doing here!
Pure gold at 4:30!
Troy, not to be sycophantic, but you're like some kind of guitar angel sent to help us mortals...
amazing work Troy! It would be great to see more international players in the series ( of course when logistics allow ) One player comes to mind from Brazil: André Nieri - another monster.
Martin Miller is one of the greatest guitar players of this generation. One of my favorite episode(added to my Fav list) Amazing Job Troy.
Of all the players examined by Troy in my opinion Martin Miller has the best, most accurate picking technique.
With all the other players there will always be some accidentally hitting strings above or below the one that should be picked only at higher speeds, but with Martin this is never the case!
It has to be those extra small finger movements (thumb and index) which makes it so unbelievable accurate at those blistering speeds.
I'm everytime in awe watching it happen.
Just, WOW!
Isn't picking generated from the thumb and index finger known as "Scalpel Picking" from the similarities between the two motions? Or is that differentiated by not inherently implying pick slanting?
This is THEE coolest fucking picking video I have ever seen. I mean holy shit, what a camera shot and Martin is just ridiculous. Mt new hero lol
With all due respect, listening to this reminds me of something Scott Henderson said in his instructional video Melodic Phrasing where he so aptly stated, _"Frankly, I'd rather hear Albert King drop his guitar on the floor than listen so some jazz guy play streams of 8th notes with no meaning."_ Michael Lee Firkins also echoed something similar, _"The first thing I want to teach you is rhythm guitar and composing, because, really, this whole LEAD THING has gotten out of hand in the past few years."_ Wow! So true!
Jonathan Taylore Real Web Solutions Interesting, cause Scott told me in person he liked my playing 🤔
Brutal gut!. Awesome. Thanks for sharing this. Very inspiring :)
That sequence that Martin Miller plays at 13:50 is something I originally heard from Steve Morse's live guitar solo with Deep Purple which can be found here ruclips.net/video/ooepGuKnWrw/видео.htmlm30s. Is there a particular name for this song? Sounds similar to one of the solos on Deep Purple's Highway Star.
+NegroMente Yes.It is sequence from the song "Cascades:I am not your lover" from Deep Purple album "Purpendicular" released in 1996.
Steve Morse and John Lord played it in unison.
Thank you!
Isn't it nice Martin takes the time to show you
Martin is the best!
Troy, have you seen any Rick Graham videos? Even after watching a lot of your explanations, I still have no idea what is going on with this particular guy's picking hand. He has lots of videos on his channel with closeups of his hands when playing, e.g. here
ruclips.net/video/t1bL32aso3Ic/видео.html
He's doing all kinds of awkward inside patterns, and his thumb is squiggling around all over the place. Just hoped you might find this player interesting!
Rick is an awesome player and of course we are familiar with his stuff. There's not the camera angle we'd need in that clip in particular to see what's going on, but if you've watched our stuff on the regular, you're probably aware of the options for playing lines of that nature. When it comes to movements, there are many, many possible combinations, but relatively few basic ingredients. Hopefully we've provided details enough of those by now that you can roll your own for just about anything you'd like to play.
Okay, thank you very much for the reply! Back to the woodshed then :)
What a beast he is.
+Troy Grady so Are we basically saying here, that it doesnt matter if you have odd number of notes per string, none of it makes a difference in alternate picking as long as you can rapidly change your pickslant accorddingly??
4:00 neoclassical lick
Crazy stuff there!
Absolutely amazing motor skills flawless.