Asian Olympic Qualification 2012, 19 Apr - 22 Apr 2012 Ma Long (CHN) vs. Koki Niwa (JPN) =========== / ttprovider - Become a Fan! / ttprovider - Follow!
Great editing. The video flowed very nicely between the points and enough was shown at the end to capture the emotion of the match. Well done, TTprovider.
Koki is playing smart here, he knows he can't beat Ma' with power to power shots so he use his quick flick and back hand to do the trick.. and he is not just back spinning the ball with a normal side spin but with a twist of underspin as well... Ma' is confuse with the ball co'z when he hits it, the ball goes long.... One good sample of control over power.... Kudos to KOKI for putting a big question to Ma's mind :D I still love Ma for being a brilliant player :D
I have been watching Ma Long's games for couple of years now, barely have seen him so nervous and stressed out. Of course kudos to Koki, he did a great job but this Ma Long for some reason was faaaaar from what he is capable of. I really hope he can recover this and goes back to his victory chain cause without Ma Long in form, TT is not much fun!!
koki niwa nailed ma long on his backhand very good he had no chance to step around that much as he usually does and was better in backhand to backhand rallies very good stuff from niwa and that happy face at the and was just priceless
In fact Ma Long's backhand is what he can count on in any situations, though, when he gets stressed his forehand becomes a little unstable, that's why he lost this match, the first in a year and a half against a non-chinese player though. Nobody's perfect mates. And Koki's a great player there's not really any point to argue about anything here..
DA FAQ did I just watch?! Koki played very clever, not rushing. On the other hand Long was under biggest pressure in his life probably - alone (without any teammates), total favorite... Koki will get huge amount of points after this victory. He deserves them all, he is growing up and showing he has THE GIFT... The gift to match Chinese !!! Keep working and never stop like Europeans did.
Ma Long's weakness is that he gets mad nervous in some games. Zhang Jike and Ma Lin have the best mental toughness and is not afraid to show their power even when their mental burden is great. Ma Long sometimes needs to loosen up and enjoy the game without restricting himself.
Obviously Ma will play at the Olympics, he's going to qualify in the next round. He will play the teams event for sure and the coaches will decide whether he will play in the singles or not.
correct..if you study Ma Long as i do you can understand that his weak point is backhand over backhand all the time..except for this Koki responded pretty fast in Ma Long's forehand top spins and played close to the table..repsect for Niwa Koki,a rising star..but let's not forget that Ma Long is tired in the last 3 months due to multiple trainings for the Olympics..
Honestly I feel like a lot of people are making this loss more than it is. A couple of years ago Ma Long lost 4-0 to Seiya Keisikawa, but you would have to be absurd to say that Ma Long isn't the better player. Koki's play style matches well against Ma because he stays close to the table and is good at quick shots that give people slow reaction time. When you combine that with Ma's break neckspeed game, it means that even someone like Ma Long will have a hard time to react.
Ok ive heard many opinions etc but have some questions and please dont answer if you dont know for sure after Ma Longs defeat to Koki where does this leave him in terms of the olympics and was ma long sick during this match etc?
New incoming Japanese player are more inventive regarding the pace and rhythm given in the short game and mid distance. Less power and robot drill player like Chinese may be sometimes...but the Chinese are incredible to integrate in their tuition the top notch skills of the other countries.
Koki is a quick left handed player. He was able to return the ball quickly by flicks, block, and quick wrist movement before even Ma Long can whind up his powerful loops.
watch the table lamps on 4:23 the lamps didnt work and koki won the set exactly when the lamps did broke.. Thats really scary to me.. sorry for my bad english, hope you understood
I agree with you totally. These other comments are people who don't know table tennis. But obviously you and I know why Ma Long is losing. In fact, this is also how Zhang Jike got into the top - his backhand.
Ma long got another chance to qualify, as Ryu Seung Min, and they both qualified in their second attempt. And Ma Long wasn't sick for what I know, hope it helped
because niwa is so short he plays near the table with fast countershots...thats why ma cant top spin with his forehand fast enough cause he need more time to prepare his forehand. In slomo u can see he get the arm behind his back and right before a shot he swing his arm a second time back...
That match have been a big surprise for me. Check out my new channel with the highlits of some matches. I just have started, so I don't have a lot. I will continue uploading the upcoming matches.
I would say his weak point would be his confidence level and mental strength ,(only because he admitted it once in an interview). Everyone knows ma long is a beast, but sometimes even beasts need to cool off. Everyone has those days when nothing goes right.
koki niwa has one of the fastest strokes in the game. kenta as we all know is fast with his compact strokes, even faster than ma lin. side by side koki was even faster than kenta so i think he's probably the fastest in the world at the top level. he's still developing yes, but he's still physically limited due to his short stature. he's prone to missing smashes which some players will take advantage of.
I think Ma Long's backhand is normally perfect. However, here we can see that Ma is so nervous that he couldn't play his backhand well enough. If you say that his worst stroke is backhand then it is probably right but it's not his weak point. His mental weakness make him concern too much about his backhand and play too carefully. You can see in other videos that Ma Long's backhand is really crazy (for example Ma Long vs Timo Boll at China vs world 2011)
Sorry, you are correct. Zhang Jike and Wang Hao are confirmed to go. I had a post before this and I said Ma Long is going, but I forgot starting the London 2012 only two players from each country attends.
being a world number one is not really a good thing.. he is always in the pressure.. everyone always thinks that he will win.. he always carry this burden.. thats why he feel very stress in this game.. until he couldnt bring out his potentials.. while koki niwa have none of this pressure.. its just like alamiyan noshad vs wang li qin..
quit picking on the Chinese people. Just because they have many good players who dominate does not mean they have negative thoughts or ideas. the reason why they are the best is because they work really hard to be the best.
you must be joking, you don't get to be number 1 without a good package of everything. Ma Long is a smart player, there is no doubt about it. Even if what you said was true, clearly Ma Long has enough muscle that he doesn't need brains since even despite this one single game, he pretty much dominates everyone, and has done so for the past year in particular. He has hardly lost any sets in all the tournaments he has played in the past year, thats a lvl of domination we haven't seen probably ever.
I agree that he has an incredibly fast stroke, but as you rightly said also, he has alot a limitations based on his size and stature. Based on those limitations, i say he has a few more years before he can be a legitimate top player in the world. With that said, Ma long as 1 of the most technical and dominant players that table tennis has ever seen should not be losing to Koki Niwa at least not yet.
Koki Niwa played great, very happy for him
Almost crying...tears of joy for Koki...he's come a long way...
Well done to Koki Niwa for providing us with a very entertaining match!
(and to ttprovider as well xD)
Great editing. The video flowed very nicely between the points and enough was shown at the end to capture the emotion of the match. Well done, TTprovider.
this kid blindsided Ma Long big time! Unbelievable that he's able to confound Ma Long w/his style! The world's #1 player we're talking abt here!
this aged badly
@@thenewguy7527Recency bias.He was beaten pretty badly wasn't he?
just goes to show no matter how good you are, one time or another someone will still beat you. great playing by koki niwa
this was a high quality win
first time I saw a Japanese player in the modern era beating a Chinese top-ranked player
This match set back Ma Long's career by four years... But, in just one more week, it'll finally be his turn to get a grand slam!
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Happy for Koki Niwa. :)
Koki is playing smart here, he knows he can't beat Ma' with power to power shots so he use his quick flick and back hand to do the trick.. and he is not just back spinning the ball with a normal side spin but with a twist of underspin as well... Ma' is confuse with the ball co'z when he hits it, the ball goes long.... One good sample of control over power.... Kudos to KOKI for putting a big question to Ma's mind :D I still love Ma for being a brilliant player :D
its been a while i see ma long lose to a japanese player :( sad.
Thanks for sharing the Video.
great job Koki!
Finally ,an upload...
Great work Koki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This might be a turn in table tennis history! The 17-years-old Japanese beating No.1...he did what Mizutani couldn't do!
I have been watching Ma Long's games for couple of years now, barely have seen him so nervous and stressed out. Of course kudos to Koki, he did a great job but this Ma Long for some reason was faaaaar from what he is capable of. I really hope he can recover this and goes back to his victory chain cause without Ma Long in form, TT is not much fun!!
What a wonderful and inspiring game :D:D
Nice smile.
koki niwa nailed ma long on his backhand very good he had no chance to step around that much as he usually does and was better in backhand to backhand rallies very good stuff from niwa and that happy face at the and was just priceless
OMG. Great Koki !
Ma Long plays like a machine.
In fact Ma Long's backhand is what he can count on in any situations, though, when he gets stressed his forehand becomes a little unstable, that's why he lost this match, the first in a year and a half against a non-chinese player though. Nobody's perfect mates. And Koki's a great player there's not really any point to argue about anything here..
OH when I read that Ma Long lost from a 17 years old, I thought Niwa Koki is the next Waldner of Asia
el es el mejor jugador del mundo el es mi estrella a seguir
win is a win
Damn.....i would love to see him play.
That could be the best table-tennis ever.
Yes thanks it helped alot :)
DA FAQ did I just watch?!
Koki played very clever, not rushing.
On the other hand Long was under biggest pressure in his life probably - alone (without any teammates), total favorite...
Koki will get huge amount of points after this victory. He deserves them all, he is growing up and showing he has THE GIFT... The gift to match Chinese !!! Keep working and never stop like Europeans did.
hey man, let's give credit to koki, he played freaking awesome!!!
Ma Long and Ryu Seung Min have just qualified for the London 2012 Olympic Games 2012 ;)
So happy on behalf of Koki Niwa!
amazing block at 4:16
Ma Long's weakness is that he gets mad nervous in some games. Zhang Jike and Ma Lin have the best mental toughness and is not afraid to show their power even when their mental burden is great. Ma Long sometimes needs to loosen up and enjoy the game without restricting himself.
koki niwa is a genious!
i must say i can't believe ma long lost. he's been basically undefeated on the international pro circuit
Respect for Koki Niwa!!
impressed oO
nice ^^
Agree.
Everyone was shocked!
Koki Niwa had good strategy and stayed calm, these are important things when facing a 'giant'!
Yes i think so... anyway, congratulation to Koki :)
What happens to the Table lighting @ 4:27 ? ^^
Obviously Ma will play at the Olympics, he's going to qualify in the next round. He will play the teams event for sure and the coaches will decide whether he will play in the singles or not.
Ryu Seung Min in the background. Nice.
woow koki niwa was the anwer of my question,, .hahaha
correct..if you study Ma Long as i do you can understand that his weak point is backhand over backhand all the time..except for this Koki responded pretty fast in Ma Long's forehand top spins and played close to the table..repsect for Niwa Koki,a rising star..but let's not forget that Ma Long is tired in the last 3 months due to multiple trainings for the Olympics..
A lot of you are saying his backhand is weak. In this match, his forehand let him down. Good on Niwa on capitalized on Ma Long's mistakes.
Honestly I feel like a lot of people are making this loss more than it is. A couple of years ago Ma Long lost 4-0 to Seiya Keisikawa, but you would have to be absurd to say that Ma Long isn't the better player. Koki's play style matches well against Ma because he stays close to the table and is good at quick shots that give people slow reaction time. When you combine that with Ma's break neckspeed game, it means that even someone like Ma Long will have a hard time to react.
Where did you get that from??
Ok ive heard many opinions etc but have some questions and please dont answer if you dont know for sure after Ma Longs defeat to Koki where does this leave him in terms of the olympics and was ma long sick during this match etc?
New incoming Japanese player are more inventive regarding the pace and rhythm given in the short game and mid distance. Less power and robot drill player like Chinese may be sometimes...but the Chinese are incredible to integrate in their tuition the top notch skills of the other countries.
que carajos, esos asiáticos juegan mucho!!!
This boy have a bright future only 17 y/o long way to go hope will bring challenge to those chinese players in future.
Koki is a quick left handed player. He was able to return the ball quickly by flicks, block, and quick wrist movement before even Ma Long can whind up his powerful loops.
Such performance shortly before the Olympics... the Chinese coaches will surely have to rethink, whether they are sending out Ma Long.
Exactly what I've been thinking.
watch the table lamps on 4:23 the lamps didnt work and koki won the set exactly when the lamps did broke.. Thats really scary to me.. sorry for my bad english, hope you understood
I agree with you totally. These other comments are people who don't know table tennis. But obviously you and I know why Ma Long is losing.
In fact, this is also how Zhang Jike got into the top - his backhand.
The scoreboard is blured so sad :(
kamikaze koki niwa the figthing spirit ..
丹羽孝希かっこいい(*^^*)
ай да коки..браво
Ma long si clasifica a los olimpicos
That's something
What is the china tt Olympic team line up?
I can see the nervous aura of Ma Long.
should be!
Is this the finals match?
are they just playing in the teams events? according to ittf they are playing singles
Ma long got another chance to qualify, as Ryu Seung Min, and they both qualified in their second attempt. And Ma Long wasn't sick for what I know, hope it helped
because niwa is so short he plays near the table with fast countershots...thats why ma cant top spin with his forehand fast enough cause he need more time to prepare his forehand. In slomo u can see he get the arm behind his back and right before a shot he swing his arm a second time back...
Ma Long was just nervous, he quoted in the article.
That match have been a big surprise for me. Check out my new channel with the highlits of some matches. I just have started, so I don't have a lot. I will continue uploading the upcoming matches.
what a great job from koki. Well, when he is older, can we see hem win world cup?
poor Ma Long :(
I would say his weak point would be his confidence level and mental strength ,(only because he admitted it once in an interview). Everyone knows ma long is a beast, but sometimes even beasts need to cool off. Everyone has those days when nothing goes right.
Ma Long weak point is not back hand, it is his mental toughness just like Ma Lin. I hope he will finish his grand slam in his career.....
can you challenge the play like in Tennis????
koki niwa has one of the fastest strokes in the game. kenta as we all know is fast with his compact strokes, even faster than ma lin. side by side koki was even faster than kenta so i think he's probably the fastest in the world at the top level.
he's still developing yes, but he's still physically limited due to his short stature. he's prone to missing smashes which some players will take advantage of.
guys just so you don't worry, ma long still qualified for the olympics even though he lost this match
I think Ma Long's backhand is normally perfect. However, here we can see that Ma is so nervous that he couldn't play his backhand well enough. If you say that his worst stroke is backhand then it is probably right but it's not his weak point. His mental weakness make him concern too much about his backhand and play too carefully. You can see in other videos that Ma Long's backhand is really crazy (for example Ma Long vs Timo Boll at China vs world 2011)
Its not an Excuse.. The World knows who is the best player in the world Currently!!!
马龙该侧重旋转多点。用速度打丹羽本来就是特长打特长,状态不太好就要吃亏。速度型的马琳打丹羽就面临这样的问题,因为丹羽技术风格本来就是反应好速度快,而力量偏小。所以马龙应该还是可以用旋转把节奏控制得慢一点。
Sorry, you are correct. Zhang Jike and Wang Hao are confirmed to go. I had a post before this and I said Ma Long is going, but I forgot starting the London 2012 only two players from each country attends.
He is in the Olympics.
the scoreboard is not clear!
being a world number one is not really a good thing.. he is always in the pressure.. everyone always thinks that he will win.. he always carry this burden.. thats why he feel very stress in this game.. until he couldnt bring out his potentials.. while koki niwa have none of this pressure.. its just like alamiyan noshad vs wang li qin..
will he still be in the olympics?
quit picking on the Chinese people. Just because they have many good players who dominate does not mean they have negative thoughts or ideas. the reason why they are the best is because they work really hard to be the best.
should have to! need to be against, need have to fairly manz!
But still, a win is a win and a loss is a loss.
you must be joking, you don't get to be number 1 without a good package of everything. Ma Long is a smart player, there is no doubt about it. Even if what you said was true, clearly Ma Long has enough muscle that he doesn't need brains since even despite this one single game, he pretty much dominates everyone, and has done so for the past year in particular. He has hardly lost any sets in all the tournaments he has played in the past year, thats a lvl of domination we haven't seen probably ever.
responde porfavor
then Ma long will not play in london single events ?
no handshake after the match?
I agree that he has an incredibly fast stroke, but as you rightly said also, he has alot a limitations based on his size and stature. Based on those limitations, i say he has a few more years before he can be a legitimate top player in the world.
With that said, Ma long as 1 of the most technical and dominant players that table tennis has ever seen should not be losing to Koki Niwa at least not yet.
Nice! Koki's attacks have much more power/penetration compared to what he had at the WJTTC. Maybe he is using Tenergy 80.
Is this a reason why Ma Long isnt going to play singles in London?