Had a family friend in Orthodox church studying for priesthood, at some point they gave him a choice: to marry or to swear celibacy. In Orthodox church priests have two separate hierarchy paths for married (like Peter) or celibate (like Paul) prieyss but you're not allowed to date or change partners.
@@finnypaul7748 To a certain degree, yes. But that was mostly practised on the renaissance (so a comparably short time w.r.t. the whole lifetime of celibacy a a concept), and the benefit was _much_ smaller than just to inherit the father's position, which was common practice in feudalism (no pope's "nephew" ever followed his "uncle" as pope like a son followed his father as king)...
Mt(19,12) Mt (19,26) and the apostles how is not biblical the celibacy and even if it wasn’t the bible came from the authority of the church the bible wouldn't exist if it weren't for the Catholic Church and his bishops who decided in council which books were inspired. The apostles lived the celibacy St Paul said 1Cor 8:11 and the others. Protestantism just born 1500 years after the church from a sick priest how is this true ?
Ah, so like Chinese castrating powerful ministers and ruling clan being eunuchs... Which still made clans by adopting kids, i.e. Cao Cao was a "son" to one such eunuch.
Vatican librarian hears crying coming from the stacks where the oldest manuscripts are kept. He follows the sound, and finds an old priest leaning over an ancient scroll, and sobbing: "celebrate - the word was celebrate!".
I think the explanation that " Celibacy serves as a means for priests to abstain from earthly pleasures to maintain a closer relationship with the scriptures and god." is cute, but far from the truth for many priests. If a priest were married the Church would have to have paid the priest a stipend sufficiently large to afford supporting a family. Given that the Catholic Church believes in large families they would have to pay priests larger stipends which would impact the wealth accumulation of the church. It would also have to provide accommodation for these families as they couldn't be housed in monasteries. I believe the reason was purely financial
In the middle ages? No. The church was not giving stipends to priests in the first place, and priests have been married quite regularly up until the high middle ages - and still are in the orthodox church, which is not exactly "poor" either. Also note that "priest" and "monk" are two different things. One could easily demand celibacy for monks only, since being a monk requires different things than being a priest assigned to a community.
Mt(19,12) Mt (19,26) 1Cor 8:11 The gates of hell shall not prevail heresies born 1500 after Jesus founded the Church upon the rock like protestantism will not prevail. Viva Cristo Rei.
Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" mentions a monastery on a hill, a convent on another hill, and an orphanage in the valley between. He leaves it to the reader to guess how most of the "orphans" originate.
Mt(19,12) Mt (19,26) 1Cor 8:11 Protestantism is a joke The gates of hell shall not prevail heresies born 1500 after Jesus founded the Church like protestantism will not prevail. Viva Cristo Rei.
Why does the Catholic Church impose celibacy for bishops and priests if Scripture says in 1 Ti. 3:2 that a bishop should have one wife? Celibacy is not a doctrine, but a discipline or rule imposed to priests and bishops of the Western Catholic Church. The Catholic Church may or may not change celibacy rule in the future. In the Eastern Catholic Church married men can be ordained as priests, but bishops are to be celibate. Scripture is not against celibacy, in Mat. 19:12 Jesus said: “there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.” While not forbidding men to marry (1 Cor. 7:8-9) Paul recommended them to be like him, that is, remaining unmarried, for the reason he wrote in 1 Cor. 7:32-33. In the Old Testament God told prophet Jeremiah not to marry (Jer. 16:1-2). What 1 Ti. 3:2 says could even indicate that some believers then were polygamists - if all married men, then had one wife, why did Paul impose that rule? In the past there were married priests, married bishops, and even married popes. Pope Hormisdas who reigned from 514 to 523 was married; his son became Pope Silverius who reigned from 536 to 537.
I find it interesting that you quote Timothy, but not further into the verse. It goes onto say something to the effect of "In order to be a bishop a man must be married with children. For if a man can't bring order to his own household he can't be trusted to lead the church." That's a paraphrase, but it catches the idea. This genuinely shocked me when I found it.
@@Grarder Since the verse says "children" (in plural), does it mean married men with only one child or childless cannot become bishops? For comparison 1 Cor. 11:3-16 says women should cover their heads and Acts 15:29 says non-Jewish believers should abstain from eating blood and food offered to idols. How many Christians obey what those verses say? Not everything stated in Scripture is to be treated as doctrine.
@@wibisonohartono In the case of the food offerings to Idols, I would hope most because that would be a violation of the first commandment. Not sure what the justification on the head coverings was. Had a thought recently about Jesus telling the disciples that believers would work miracles and wonders in his name. I see very few sick healed and no dead raised. Some even receive and give with pay. Indeed how far we all are from what was intended.
What I heard was to cut down costs, since priests started to live by the church's money and families, specially big ones, are much more expensive then single guys.
@southernferrets, I do personally believe that a married man should NOT be a Catholic priest, because there in lies the danger ⛔️ of his telling the sins that the penitent has confessed to his wife, & thus he breaks his seal of confession, & many Catholic priests have been tortured, or murdered in order for them to reveal the sins of the penitent❤😢😢😢😊
Jesus sets a scriptural precedent for celibacy in Matt 19:12 and Paul articulated a scriptural precedent for celibacy in 1 Cor chapters 7-9. Celibacy has existed since the inception of the Church; Paul was celibate, some of the earliest Christian martyrs like Agatha, Lucy, and Anastasia were killed specially for their consecrated virginity, and so on. What changed was making it mandatory for clergy in the West (eastern Catholics have always continued to ordain married men to the priesthood).
Celibate priests can own and pass things on. I own something that once belonged to a very wealthy priest (he inherited his family's fortune and slowly gave it away to wider family, charities etc.).
i believe in two conspiracy. 1) the world hates God and much is to undermine the church. 2) is that money is the person with most money has control. a scapegoat can always be paid off if the crimes come to light
@@LlywellynOBrien And if they don't have a brother/nephew or whatever to pass it on to? They don't have direct descendants and don't plan on having them, you wouldn't be able to have an unbroken genetic line of priests, so to give them certain titles/wealth, knowing that their succession is uncertain would just be creating conflict for no purpose (in the context of pre-modern society). Someone giving away to charity or others in their life I would say is not really the same topic as celibacy, family and ultimately inheritance (it is however a noble thing to do of course).
One can overlook non sexual relationships provided they don’t get to involved. However sexual relationships with children is a sin that spreads to other members of the church besides the child and their abuser. Because the church did not expel the abuser but support him and his legal team. And then in economic terms what is more important the financial situation of the abuser or the church’s
A reason it’s still relevant today: a parish priest, on top of regular sacramental duties, is an administrator to a parish and all that goes with that. If he is married, he will neglect his spouse, his family, and/or the parish trying to balance all of it. I don’t know how married Eastern Rite and Orthodox priests do it.
La Chiesa cattolica ordinava sacerdote anche chi era sposato ma questi doveva osservare la castità. Dopo l'ordinazione non poteva risposarsi in caso di vedovanza. Anche oggi abbiamo i diaconi permanenti che sono sposati.
I think priestly celibacy is beautiful and should he celebrated. Should it be mandatory, maybe not, but who am I to say. I would prefer celibate priests over married ones, simply because of the tasks they fulfil for our society. They are the cornerstone in the Eucharist and the basis of our worship. his hands should be clean of earthly lusts.
No Biblical wise clergy marriage is a must. It's a condition of qualification. Not an option to choose except in case of war or mad authority and family is considered a weak point.
Of course, this explanation would be further clarified by contrasting a parallel and yet less gendered and less heteronormative approach. For example, since systemic prejudice suppressed same sex affection, couldn’t have gay folks have chosen monastic (and officially celibate life) as a way to live with the gender of their orientation, but without the cruelty of cultural violence towards them? If you asked a Medieval gay man whether he would rather be forced to have sex with a woman or live happily with a group of “celibate” men, which would he choose?
The practical reason is the REAL reason. It always comes down to money. Prostitution is illegal, not because it is immoral, sinful or dangerous, but because money is changing hands and the government can't get any of it. Not taxable.
No. taxing prostitution is easy peasy. Modern legalized countries like Germany well do this. Real reason (especially pre-modern age) is germ infection and pregnancy.
The explanation I read once was that it was so land and other holdings owned by clergy couldn't be divided up among their children if they didn't have children.
Chastity involves living out fidelity to God's plan for sexuality, according to one's state in life. For example, a married person's chastity means being faithful to their spouse, while a single person's chastity means remaining abstinent. Chastity is a lifelong commitment for all Christians. Celibacy is a state of life in which a person chooses to remain unmarried and abstain from sexual activity.
No not same. Chastity: living with a heart ordered towards holding to sexual purity. Celibacy: living a life without engaging in sex or sexual relationships/no marriage, no children. (free bonus) Continence: living a life of sexual purity without a heart ordered to purity.... living a chaste life without a chaste heart.
Celibacy means simply 'unmarried'. Under church law, that implies no sex (since no sex outside of marriage). Chastity means no sex. But a vow of celibacy means a vow never to marry, a vow of chastity means a vow never to engage in sex. The video hints at the real reason, that under the law (esp in northern Italy) in the middle ages, only a real person could own property (so the church per se couldn't own anything - there were no corporations), possession was de facto proof of ownership (so a priest living in a rectory/vicarage for years could claim ownership), and laws in lots of places forbade disinheriting legitimate offspring. So children of a priest's marriage could claim ownership of the 'church' land through the tenancy of their father, and their right to inherit. The laws were different in eastern Europe, so Orthodox (and later eastern rite) priests could be married men, without the church worrying about the children claiming church property.
@alfrancisbuada2591 not really. Married men can become ordained to the priesthood. But if the wife dies he cannot remarry unless there are young children in the home. Unmarried eastern priests cannot get married.
its a pity that we are the only current of christianity thats impose celibacy on priets and yes is reasonable to not let church possesion being heriditary...it does not put in consideration other family members such as cousins or they sons....thats why they still can be heriditary because a bishop can make his nephew the bishop or his grandchild.......aaaaah i wish they remove this ban and let the catholic priest marry like everyone else......
Yeah, they should put an end to it. Like they did for holding church services in Latin. At some point you have to say to heck with tradition. Who cares about a nonsensical rule that's not in the bible and has outlived its usefulness.
@stevecarey2030 Paul would strongly disagree that is nonsensical. I don't think most people realize how busy priests are in the day-to-day anyone married to a priest would surely be neglected.
So celibacy serves as a means for priests to maintain a closer relationship with the scriptures while contradicting what the scripture says: "1 Timothy 3:12 Let deacons be husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well."
I think nominal celibacy served to give men who were never going to be particularly interested in women (whether gay or not, asexual, whatever) a place to go and a way to be useful to society. And it worked well for a while. But it causes obvious problems because they don’t want to accept that what’s obvious is also benevolent.
God created man and woman to combine and become one. Two halves to create one whole. Without this tenant humanity ceases to exist. It’s really that simple.
Understandable logic. But probably caused more harm than benefit (especially the reccuring pedophilia problem). It's really hard to restraint human instincts that long. Same mistake as the Jedi in a way.
The bible not only encourages sex but it says forbidding people to marry is a “doctrine of devils”. The sexual urge was put there by God for a reason. Holding it against your own will and power is going against nature.
@@EdwardBernardson i know i played Assassin's Creed Brotherhood too And i think its the real reason why the church adopted celibacy... But he was an expection....not all Priest are Power hungry...plus Rodrigo Borgia was also the head of the templar order... There a lot of good Priests out there and a lot that if celibacy wasnt a thing they wouldnt have been pedo bears.....or have illegimate sons....
That makes sense, but that's still binding consciences with commands that are recognized even in this video as being extra-Biblical. How is this not what our Lord condemns in the Pharisees when He says that they teach for doctrines the traditions of men?
If a person is not married, it leaves them free to fully love and be their for the ones they are meant to help support and guide, in this case, the church congregation.
Mt(19,12) Mt (19,26) and the apostles how is not biblical the celibacy and even if it wasn’t the bible came from the authority of the church the bible wouldn't exist if it weren't for the Catholic Church and his bishops who decided in council which books were inspired. The apostles lived the celibacy St Paul said 1Cor 8:11 and the others. Protestantism just born 1500 years after the church from a sick priest how is this true ?
I often wondered if it was a cover for homosexuality, which was punishable by death at the time. It would provide a respectable escape from needing to maintain a relationship with a woman.
Poorly made video. Spiritual reason does not explain orthodox priests, and orthodoxy is recognised as legitimate by the catholic Church. Also took 1 minute to actually get to your answer. Consider reuploading a refined version of your video, or let it stain your channel henceforth, if not already.
the real reason which i was always taught it that it's a conclusion from the principle of Original Sin: allowing sex is a compromise, a necessity for human propagation, but priests who are totally holy should not be engaged in what is intrinsically and unholy act.
YOU ARE WRONG. The Catholic Church DOES NOT prohibit priests from marrying. Pope Francis is the pope of many Catholic churches. And in many Catholic churches, priests can marry. The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church is one example. The reason why priests cannot marry in the Roman Catholic Church is NOT a theological reason.
@@otsoko66 There are 23 Eastern Catholic Churches the main one are the are the 5 churches of Byzantine Rite. And as you mention those churches follow the Orthodox tradition that a married man can become priest, but a priest cannot marry. There are 5 other rites. I don't know if the priests can marry on those churches.
in the bible celibacy is considered the norm, with marriage a dispensation, for people who cannot control their lust, but an honorable state none the less
Nope. It was not the policy of the Roman church for the first thousand years of Christianity -- it was only in the 11th century, when the Roman church has lots of property (and had separated from the Orthodox church), that the rule was introduced.
So that the prophecy in the bible be fulfilled as it a teaching of the satan also forbidding eating of flesh ,worship of idols and the mark(Rev.13:16).
The priests were passing the ownership of church property to their children. This was impoverishing the church. The Catholic Church was created to achieve wealth and thereby power.
Allah SWT Himself has never engaged in any sexual intercourse, as He is holy, and humans are created in His likeness. Therefore, following Him is the right path.
Oh no, it is almost as if religious people actually believe in their religion 😮. I assure you, I know many priests and have studied a lot of Church history and the theological reasons for things were very often in fact the real reason. Obviously pragmatism, politics (especially East vs West), language etc. came in, but most developments in Christian history (good, bad and indifferent) were very much motivated by ideas.
@@LlywellynOBrien Oh no, it is almost as if u didn't lie straight through your teeth or u don't know sht about ur own cult or its history. It's as if u almost said something of substance.
@@ngtony2969 Hey again mate, you seem a bit irate. I can't prove it to you easily but I assure you I know a fair bit about Christian history (that of my branch of the tree and others). I am no expert, although I am working on that.
Had a family friend in Orthodox church studying for priesthood, at some point they gave him a choice: to marry or to swear celibacy. In Orthodox church priests have two separate hierarchy paths for married (like Peter) or celibate (like Paul) prieyss but you're not allowed to date or change partners.
That's the best explanation that makes sense: so the priests do not form clans to own church assets.
Because the popes had children out of wedlock and passed them off as nephews .that were the word nepotism comes from
@@finnypaul7748 To a certain degree, yes. But that was mostly practised on the renaissance (so a comparably short time w.r.t. the whole lifetime of celibacy a a concept), and the benefit was _much_ smaller than just to inherit the father's position, which was common practice in feudalism (no pope's "nephew" ever followed his "uncle" as pope like a son followed his father as king)...
that could not be the case, church possesions belong to the pope
Mt(19,12) Mt (19,26) and the apostles how is not biblical the celibacy and even if it wasn’t the bible came from the authority of the church the bible wouldn't exist if it weren't for the Catholic Church and his bishops who decided in council which books were inspired. The apostles lived the celibacy St Paul said 1Cor 8:11 and the others. Protestantism just born 1500 years after the church from a sick priest how is this true ?
Ah, so like Chinese castrating powerful ministers and ruling clan being eunuchs... Which still made clans by adopting kids, i.e. Cao Cao was a "son" to one such eunuch.
Vatican librarian hears crying coming from the stacks where the oldest manuscripts are kept. He follows the sound, and finds an old priest leaning over an ancient scroll, and sobbing: "celebrate - the word was celebrate!".
Awesome joke!
I think the explanation that " Celibacy serves as a means for priests to abstain from earthly pleasures to maintain a closer relationship with the scriptures and god." is cute, but far from the truth for many priests. If a priest were married the Church would have to have paid the priest a stipend sufficiently large to afford supporting a family. Given that the Catholic Church believes in large families they would have to pay priests larger stipends which would impact the wealth accumulation of the church. It would also have to provide accommodation for these families as they couldn't be housed in monasteries. I believe the reason was purely financial
What the heck are you on about..? Are you Catholic?
In the middle ages? No. The church was not giving stipends to priests in the first place, and priests have been married quite regularly up until the high middle ages - and still are in the orthodox church, which is not exactly "poor" either.
Also note that "priest" and "monk" are two different things. One could easily demand celibacy for monks only, since being a monk requires different things than being a priest assigned to a community.
Mt(19,12) Mt (19,26) 1Cor 8:11 The gates of hell shall not prevail heresies born 1500 after Jesus founded the Church upon the rock like protestantism will not prevail. Viva Cristo Rei.
Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" mentions a monastery on a hill, a convent on another hill, and an orphanage in the valley between. He leaves it to the reader to guess how most of the "orphans" originate.
Mt(19,12) Mt (19,26) 1Cor 8:11 Protestantism is a joke The gates of hell shall not prevail heresies born 1500 after Jesus founded the Church like protestantism will not prevail. Viva Cristo Rei.
Waisen, die nach Belieben hergenommen wurden - als Sex- und Arbeitssklaven: ein perfides System, das immer noch weiter besteht und zerschlagen gehört!
🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲VERY STRONG MUST SENSOR PROUDLY AND MUCH🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
That's the sort of joke protestants have been making for more than 500 years.
Why does the Catholic Church impose celibacy for bishops and priests if Scripture says in 1 Ti. 3:2 that a bishop should have one wife? Celibacy is not a doctrine, but a discipline or rule imposed to priests and bishops of the Western Catholic Church. The Catholic Church may or may not change celibacy rule in the future. In the Eastern Catholic Church married men can be ordained as priests, but bishops are to be celibate. Scripture is not against celibacy, in Mat. 19:12 Jesus said: “there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.” While not forbidding men to marry (1 Cor. 7:8-9) Paul recommended them to be like him, that is, remaining unmarried, for the reason he wrote in 1 Cor. 7:32-33. In the Old Testament God told prophet Jeremiah not to marry (Jer. 16:1-2). What 1 Ti. 3:2 says could even indicate that some believers then were polygamists - if all married men, then had one wife, why did Paul impose that rule? In the past there were married priests, married bishops, and even married popes. Pope Hormisdas who reigned from 514 to 523 was married; his son became Pope Silverius who reigned from 536 to 537.
celibacy is a personal choice, just as the eunuchs made "themselves" eunuchs.
to mandate it is a doctrine of demons, as with food restrictions. (paul)
Catholicism should use the rules from the Golden times of Christianity
I find it interesting that you quote Timothy, but not further into the verse. It goes onto say something to the effect of "In order to be a bishop a man must be married with children. For if a man can't bring order to his own household he can't be trusted to lead the church." That's a paraphrase, but it catches the idea. This genuinely shocked me when I found it.
@@Grarder Since the verse says "children" (in plural), does it mean married men with only one child or childless cannot become bishops? For comparison 1 Cor. 11:3-16 says women should cover their heads and Acts 15:29 says non-Jewish believers should abstain from eating blood and food offered to idols. How many Christians obey what those verses say? Not everything stated in Scripture is to be treated as doctrine.
@@wibisonohartono In the case of the food offerings to Idols, I would hope most because that would be a violation of the first commandment. Not sure what the justification on the head coverings was.
Had a thought recently about Jesus telling the disciples that believers would work miracles and wonders in his name. I see very few sick healed and no dead raised. Some even receive and give with pay. Indeed how far we all are from what was intended.
What I heard was to cut down costs, since priests started to live by the church's money and families, specially big ones, are much more expensive then single guys.
As a Catholic I appreciate you posting about us!
@southernferrets, I do personally believe that a married man should NOT be a Catholic priest, because there in lies the danger ⛔️ of his telling the sins that the penitent has confessed to his wife, & thus he breaks his seal of confession, & many Catholic priests have been tortured, or murdered in order for them to reveal the sins of the penitent❤😢😢😢😊
Jesus sets a scriptural precedent for celibacy in Matt 19:12 and Paul articulated a scriptural precedent for celibacy in 1 Cor chapters 7-9. Celibacy has existed since the inception of the Church; Paul was celibate, some of the earliest Christian martyrs like Agatha, Lucy, and Anastasia were killed specially for their consecrated virginity, and so on. What changed was making it mandatory for clergy in the West (eastern Catholics have always continued to ordain married men to the priesthood).
Jesus was gay
Ma i vescovi li hanno sempre scelti tra uomini celibi
It is simple -- celibate men CANNOT INHERIT PROPERTY. The spiritual was most likely the last reason. MONEY always talks.
The church would have become a hereditary kingdom if not.
Celibate priests can own and pass things on. I own something that once belonged to a very wealthy priest (he inherited his family's fortune and slowly gave it away to wider family, charities etc.).
i believe in two conspiracy. 1) the world hates God and much is to undermine the church. 2) is that money is the person with most money has control. a scapegoat can always be paid off if the crimes come to light
@@LlywellynOBrien And if they don't have a brother/nephew or whatever to pass it on to? They don't have direct descendants and don't plan on having them, you wouldn't be able to have an unbroken genetic line of priests, so to give them certain titles/wealth, knowing that their succession is uncertain would just be creating conflict for no purpose (in the context of pre-modern society). Someone giving away to charity or others in their life I would say is not really the same topic as celibacy, family and ultimately inheritance (it is however a noble thing to do of course).
One can overlook non sexual relationships provided they don’t get to involved. However sexual relationships with children is a sin that spreads to other members of the church besides the child and their abuser. Because the church did not expel the abuser but support him and his legal team. And then in economic terms what is more important the financial situation of the abuser or the church’s
A reason it’s still relevant today: a parish priest, on top of regular sacramental duties, is an administrator to a parish and all that goes with that. If he is married, he will neglect his spouse, his family, and/or the parish trying to balance all of it. I don’t know how married Eastern Rite and Orthodox priests do it.
They have smaller congregations
Der Zölibat wurde erst im 11. Jahrhundert eingeführt. Davor waren auch katholische Priester verheiratet.
La Chiesa cattolica ordinava sacerdote anche chi era sposato ma questi doveva osservare la castità. Dopo l'ordinazione non poteva risposarsi in caso di vedovanza. Anche oggi abbiamo i diaconi permanenti che sono sposati.
Greed!
The Vatican is basically a low down version of Fire Island for trainee priests I've heard
Is this rooted in Gnosticism?
Good video, as always.
They knew that marriage will destroy men.
As opposed to men already destroying each other?
Are you speaking from experience?
I think priestly celibacy is beautiful and should he celebrated.
Should it be mandatory, maybe not, but who am I to say.
I would prefer celibate priests over married ones, simply because of the tasks they fulfil for our society. They are the cornerstone in the Eucharist and the basis of our worship. his hands should be clean of earthly lusts.
Peter was married
No Biblical wise clergy marriage is a must. It's a condition of qualification. Not an option to choose except in case of war or mad authority and family is considered a weak point.
Of course, this explanation would be further clarified by contrasting a parallel and yet less gendered and less heteronormative approach.
For example, since systemic prejudice suppressed same sex affection, couldn’t have gay folks have chosen monastic (and officially celibate life) as a way to live with the gender of their orientation, but without the cruelty of cultural violence towards them?
If you asked a Medieval gay man whether he would rather be forced to have sex with a woman or live happily with a group of “celibate” men, which would he choose?
The practical reason is the REAL reason. It always comes down to money.
Prostitution is illegal, not because it is immoral, sinful or dangerous, but because money is changing hands and the government can't get any of it. Not taxable.
No. taxing prostitution is easy peasy. Modern legalized countries like Germany well do this. Real reason (especially pre-modern age) is germ infection and pregnancy.
The explanation I read once was that it was so land and other holdings owned by clergy couldn't be divided up among their children if they didn't have children.
Excuse me, but I keep getting these two mixed up. Is chastity the same with celibacy?
Chastity involves living out fidelity to God's plan for sexuality, according to one's state in life. For example, a married person's chastity means being faithful to their spouse, while a single person's chastity means remaining abstinent. Chastity is a lifelong commitment for all Christians.
Celibacy is a state of life in which a person chooses to remain unmarried and abstain from sexual activity.
No not same. Chastity: living with a heart ordered towards holding to sexual purity. Celibacy: living a life without engaging in sex or sexual relationships/no marriage, no children. (free bonus) Continence: living a life of sexual purity without a heart ordered to purity.... living a chaste life without a chaste heart.
Celibacy means simply 'unmarried'. Under church law, that implies no sex (since no sex outside of marriage). Chastity means no sex. But a vow of celibacy means a vow never to marry, a vow of chastity means a vow never to engage in sex. The video hints at the real reason, that under the law (esp in northern Italy) in the middle ages, only a real person could own property (so the church per se couldn't own anything - there were no corporations), possession was de facto proof of ownership (so a priest living in a rectory/vicarage for years could claim ownership), and laws in lots of places forbade disinheriting legitimate offspring. So children of a priest's marriage could claim ownership of the 'church' land through the tenancy of their father, and their right to inherit. The laws were different in eastern Europe, so Orthodox (and later eastern rite) priests could be married men, without the church worrying about the children claiming church property.
@otsoko66 Wait, you're telling that priests in the East can actually marry?
@alfrancisbuada2591 not really. Married men can become ordained to the priesthood. But if the wife dies he cannot remarry unless there are young children in the home.
Unmarried eastern priests cannot get married.
its a pity that we are the only current of christianity thats impose celibacy on priets
and yes is reasonable to not let church possesion being heriditary...it does not put in consideration other family members such as cousins or they sons....thats why they still can be heriditary because a bishop can make his nephew the bishop or his grandchild.......aaaaah i wish they remove this ban and let the catholic priest marry like everyone else......
Yeah, they should put an end to it. Like they did for holding church services in Latin. At some point you have to say to heck with tradition. Who cares about a nonsensical rule that's not in the bible and has outlived its usefulness.
@stevecarey2030 Paul would strongly disagree that is nonsensical.
I don't think most people realize how busy priests are in the day-to-day anyone married to a priest would surely be neglected.
@@Cklert Well, protestant ministers are allowed to marry and they can manage it.
@@stevecarey2030 As do rabbis.
The second part is the Real reason!
I wonder what the true percentage of celibate priests is across all of history
Are we talking about married or do we also include boy diddlers?
Zero would be my guess. I think that's yours to.
I believe the overwhelming reason is the financial part related to inheritance. Why not just ban priests from having children but allow them to marry?
So celibacy serves as a means for priests to maintain a closer relationship with the scriptures while contradicting what the scripture says: "1 Timothy 3:12 Let deacons be husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well."
I think nominal celibacy served to give men who were never going to be particularly interested in women (whether gay or not, asexual, whatever) a place to go and a way to be useful to society. And it worked well for a while. But it causes obvious problems because they don’t want to accept that what’s obvious is also benevolent.
God created man and woman to combine and become one. Two halves to create one whole. Without this tenant humanity ceases to exist. It’s really that simple.
0:30 "the law of celibacy does not come from scripture directly"
CORRECTION: the law of celibacy does not come from scripture *AT ALL*
Understandable logic. But probably caused more harm than benefit (especially the reccuring pedophilia problem).
It's really hard to restraint human instincts that long. Same mistake as the Jedi in a way.
oh thats a thing too
and not to mention the illegimate sons...
The bible not only encourages sex but it says forbidding people to marry is a “doctrine of devils”. The sexual urge was put there by God for a reason. Holding it against your own will and power is going against nature.
@@davidelabarilemobile7094I was just reading about Cesar Borgia. His father was a pope.
@@EdwardBernardson i know i played Assassin's Creed Brotherhood too
And i think its the real reason why the church adopted celibacy...
But he was an expection....not all Priest are Power hungry...plus Rodrigo Borgia was also the head of the templar order...
There a lot of good Priests out there and a lot that if celibacy wasnt a thing they wouldnt have been pedo bears.....or have illegimate sons....
The Bible encourages sex and marriage. To deprive oneself of those things makes you more likely to sin.
That makes sense, but that's still binding consciences with commands that are recognized even in this video as being extra-Biblical. How is this not what our Lord condemns in the Pharisees when He says that they teach for doctrines the traditions of men?
yet another thing the catholic church got wrong
It's always about the Benjamins!
meanwhile among protestants, no need for celibacy
well there is more reasons but in short...... yeas
So good quick and informative good shit you are not after the money well even if u are u deserve it
The property is the common reason for everything
If a person is not married, it leaves them free to fully love and be their for the ones they are meant to help support and guide, in this case, the church congregation.
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Mt(19,12) Mt (19,26) and the apostles how is not biblical the celibacy and even if it wasn’t the bible came from the authority of the church the bible wouldn't exist if it weren't for the Catholic Church and his bishops who decided in council which books were inspired. The apostles lived the celibacy St Paul said 1Cor 8:11 and the others. Protestantism just born 1500 years after the church from a sick priest how is this true ?
I often wondered if it was a cover for homosexuality, which was punishable by death at the time. It would provide a respectable escape from needing to maintain a relationship with a woman.
Poorly made video. Spiritual reason does not explain orthodox priests, and orthodoxy is recognised as legitimate by the catholic Church. Also took 1 minute to actually get to your answer. Consider reuploading a refined version of your video, or let it stain your channel henceforth, if not already.
I think it’s very well made. Short, simple and clearly informative.
Mean comment but lovely prose!
@@60secsknowledge I respect your positivity
the real reason which i was always taught it that it's a conclusion from the principle of Original Sin: allowing sex is a compromise, a necessity for human propagation, but priests who are totally holy should not be engaged in what is intrinsically and unholy act.
YOU ARE WRONG. The Catholic Church DOES NOT prohibit priests from marrying. Pope Francis is the pope of many Catholic churches. And in many Catholic churches, priests can marry. The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church is one example. The reason why priests cannot marry in the Roman Catholic Church is NOT a theological reason.
Thank you for having read and liking my comment.
slight correction -- in Orthodox churches (and later Eastern Rite), married men can become priests, but priests cannot marry. But your point stands.
@@otsoko66 There are 23 Eastern Catholic Churches the main one are the are the 5 churches of Byzantine Rite. And as you mention those churches follow the Orthodox tradition that a married man can become priest, but a priest cannot marry. There are 5 other rites. I don't know if the priests can marry on those churches.
Even the Roman Catholic Church also has married priests! For example Anglican priests who convert to Catholicism and become Roman Catholic priests.
in the bible celibacy is considered the norm, with marriage a dispensation, for people who cannot control their lust, but an honorable state none the less
it was part of Christianity centuries before Christians became wealthy w/ land etc.
Nope. It was not the policy of the Roman church for the first thousand years of Christianity -- it was only in the 11th century, when the Roman church has lots of property (and had separated from the Orthodox church), that the rule was introduced.
Priest celibacy is a horrible idea
oh okay, they don't want a holy-roman emperor I guess
So that the prophecy in the bible be fulfilled as it a teaching of the satan also forbidding eating of flesh ,worship of idols and the mark(Rev.13:16).
‘Cuz altar boys
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The priests were passing the ownership of church property to their children. This was impoverishing the church. The Catholic Church was created to achieve wealth and thereby power.
Allah SWT Himself has never engaged in any sexual intercourse, as He is holy, and humans are created in His likeness. Therefore, following Him is the right path.
This is about Catholics though
@60secsknowledge Yes, my comment is for all Muslim viewers.
The reason is spiritual? What utter BS is this? Obviously it's the second reason u mentioned, how stupid do you think people are?
Now now, no need to get agitated
Oh no, it is almost as if religious people actually believe in their religion 😮. I assure you, I know many priests and have studied a lot of Church history and the theological reasons for things were very often in fact the real reason.
Obviously pragmatism, politics (especially East vs West), language etc. came in, but most developments in Christian history (good, bad and indifferent) were very much motivated by ideas.
@@LlywellynOBrien Oh no, it is almost as if u didn't lie straight through your teeth or u don't know sht about ur own cult or its history. It's as if u almost said something of substance.
@@LlywellynOBrien It's almost as if ur didn't troll some garbage and lie to urself u made a good argument and then flee in a hit-and-run troll reply.
@@ngtony2969 Hey again mate, you seem a bit irate. I can't prove it to you easily but I assure you I know a fair bit about Christian history (that of my branch of the tree and others). I am no expert, although I am working on that.