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Novak Djokovic was the first who, ten or more years ago, raised his voice and stood up for lower-ranked tennis players, and with that act he became a sworn enemy of the people who manage the ATP. In 2020, together with the Canadian Vasek Pospisil, he founded the PTPA organization. The PTPA calls itself "an organization created BY the players FOR the players" to "support, protect and advance players' well being on and off the court."
All the more reason why Djokovic is the GOAT!
@@theodorekim4193 Indeed!
Was it thanks to the PTPA that the ATP introduced a minimum wage from 2024, with Djokovic and Pospisil both pushing for that? Even if you look beyond titles, out of the big 3 it seems that Djokovic has done more than Federer or Nadal to support and improve the earnings of lower ranked players, and he has also clearly been more gracious than either of them after defeats (with much warmer post-match handshakes).
Yet nothing has changed. All talk with nothing to show for it. Goes to show how little influence Novak truly has. Not the GOAT.
@@Jonathan-mp3ju In California still wearing masks. Are you from California?
In Japan, pro tennis players usually belong to a team, often a major tennis school, or some big company. Thus, they receive a base salary, a place to train and partners, which then can be complemented with other endorsements, prize money, etc.
I heard that about china too
Maybe that’s why they have so few pro players.
In America, administrators and grifter coaches steal all the money and develop nothing. The usa should be a tennis powerhouse.
@@kalebball5144 It is not America's job to produce tennis players.
I think it’s a good idea to play division one college like Isner, McDonald, Steve Johnson and others. You get a degree while playing high level tennis. Then you can actually start a career if the tennis doesn’t work out. And unfortunately, it likely won’t work out for most.
That can only work in the USA. Other parts of the world (such as most European countries) do not even offer scholarships for talented athletes. So, I believe that would further centralize tennis.
I was about to write the same thing. Perhaps a degree in sports management, broadcasting , business, health sciences .
the degree is like a reward for playing tennis for the colleges. for elite tennis program, they really don't have enough time to study / learn. yea but they will get the degree anyway
@@systemswrongbut a lot of D1 schools in the US recruit international students, so it’s not like European players can’t play college tennis in the US
That is why US higher education will remain at the top. The support and appreciation for all types of students who have different talents is unparalleled. China has scholarships but the sheer amount of money and opportunities allocated to these aspiring student-athletes is simply subpar. Also, the diversity of scholarship programs offered is very narrow.
I used to play professional tennis for a while and even got the chance to play in 25k tours, but it was exactly the financial aspect that made me quitted in the end.
Many people would say you're not making good money because you're not a good player, but the harsh fact is that many players have to quit before they can be a good player because of money.
Just like most of the other careers, regardless if you're talented, you still have to do trainings and gain experience to become better and make better money.
For example, if you're a programmer, regardless if you're talented, you still have to learn programming at school, then start from a junior programmer before you can finally become senior programmer and start making good money.
Same as in tennis career, you have to learn to play tennis just like learning programming at school, start playing small tours just like being a junior programmer, then finally compete in big tours just like being a senior programmer.
Earning little to no money in small tours is just like asking you to move to London and be a junior programmer for free, not many people can bare with the costs.
I don't think it's a good idea to cut down the prize money on big tours, cause big prize money is one way to attract audience.
It's just like people are buying and excited about lottery because of the big prize money, if there's no big prize money in big tours, people will be less interested.
What ATP, WTA and ITF should do is to improve local engagement, so more money can flow into small tours.
Right now in most of the small tours, most of the costs are being totally covered by the organiser itself, with maybe a little help from the local government.
And this is making ITF hard to increase the prize money, because if you simply increase the prize money and ask the organiser to cover all the costs, lots of organisers are going to leave.
What they should do is to improve local engagement, so that more money can flow into the tours from other resourses, so the orgainsers won't feel huge pressure even if the prize money is increased.
To put it in simple words, re-distributing the existing prize money could improve the situation in short term, but it's not a solution in long run.
It's just like asking senior programmers to be paid less so junior programmers can be paid more, which is not realistic.
What a company should do is to attract more investors and customers into the business, so that the company can grow and pays better to their employee.
very well put. but besides that, I also think making tennis coaching affordable is crucial. also, tennis organizers should provide platform that allows tennis player to gain experience at lower cost - if becoming experienced player means playing against better players in tournaments, then there should be platform that allows developing players to compete with developed players.
Why u didn't bet your games?!
Thing is though, it isn't easy to grow tennis. Except the grand slams very few people actually watch tennis, it's not a very popular sport except the top end. And with upcoming sportsv like padel and pickleball it's getting even harder.
Of course these smaller events try to get more attention but they constantly fail. Futures and challengers barely draw any crowd. The players are nobodies, often with no connection to the tournament or the area. Honestly tennis tournaments a level below draw more attention typically where the level is slightly worse but people know the players a bit more at least.
The problem is the sport being individual so much and always tournaments with knockout format. You need something like leagues or competition where players just get a base salary, train and travel with a team etc. At lower level that's also better for fan connection, like college sports in the US.
I'd seriously slash into the futures/challengers and create a competition for universities or clubs in Europe. Make players be able to compete in that for consistent opportunities to play with steady income, training etc. and then let players earn ATP points in it so they can actually have a fair shot at reaching pro.
Now tennis just remains a rich person sport or you need to come from one of the countries like US or France where it's easier.
This is why if you want to make a living in professional sports, team sports are a better bet. If you are a ranked 200 tennis player you can barely survive. If you play American football, if you are number 1500, you still make $750,000 a year.
Entry fees are bogus. Feel like at minimum tournaments should provide a stipend for travel and hotel fees for any players that don't have to qualify, especially at the lower levels. Without the players, you don't have a tournament.
You should have mentioned that the main treshold for surviving financially as a tennis player is to reach a ranking high enough to make it to Grand Slam qualifying. The cut off is just above the 200 mark and losing in R1 of qualifying of the US Open 23 gave a player a whopping 21,000 USD. That's the same amount as winning a Challenger 125 which is much more difficult. Cost of travelling and accommodation also varies a lot between countries, there is no way the average future players spends 500 USD per week on accommodation or 1,000 USD per tournament in travel costs. Some tournaments have subsidized hospitality and Slams have per diem payments towards hotel costs. The million dollar question is how many players globally should be paid enough to break even. I think 300-350 is a reasonable number in order to avoid talents chosing other careers.
The problem is even worse, just to enter tournaments( qualification) ( 15 k ,25 k) you need to have some ranking, otherwise you find yourself always in alternates. And even if you get a chance to play qualification, probably you will lose in first round , as no experience and pressure.
The challenge with unions in the traditional sense, for an individual sport like tennis, is players are basically funding their competitors. Players at the top, with money, who are best able to fund the union don't want to support and develop players below them to come up and challenge them. There's a huge conflict of interest. One positive is a tennis player union may help to negotiate and pressure tennis associations/tournaments to increase prize money and perks that any player can compete for. However, as competitive the tennis sport is, once the union supports individual players to compete it will break down.
More attention should be put on this issue for tennis players. nice video
I disagree. This is exactly how it should be.
This is an important video! The grand slams don't pay the players enough. Novak Djokovic is very vocal he created a union with Vasek Pospisil. The slams need to pay players more money. More top players need to stand up. It is harsh truth pro tennis you need a lot of money and talent to succeed. The tennis players we see are the lucky ones. Good video.
I had a friend playing professionally tennis on the tour, and after she told me what she had to go through just to get the money to enter the tournament, I started to talk to other professionals about this issue and many other issues that professionals were facing. I tried to help start a professional players fund to help them compete, and pay for medical treatment if injured. This was done locally and I this idea I had with others was back in the late 80s while I was still in High School. The plan didn’t work out the way I wanted it to, because the adults that were organizing the association, were complete scumbags that stole the money out of fund! So Novak is right, the players need a functional players association that represents everyone and represents both women and men from all rankings. It’s a disgrace that the women professional tennis players literally have to have a full time job just to survive and pay bills, not including training, traveling, and fees to enter the tournaments. It’s a disgrace, and the players should look into MLB players association, which is one of the most powerful unions in the world, when it comes to organizing and taking care of their own. Great job on the video!
Wow that is really amazing that you tried to create something like this all the way back in the 80's!
A STRONG players association is definitely needed in Tennis
Thank you so much for highlighting the situation of struggling players and of course, the corruption !
Being a Professional tennis player, means you might have to live in a van down by the river!
A society that allows one man to gain so much wealth for himself is just plain crazy. Imagine if the prize money was spread as if all men and women néeded caring for. In actual fact humans not only are indifferent for other humans but what sets them apart is that they actually go out of their way to harm others.
It's a SPORT. You can enter or not, you are free to do other things. The winner is worthy of the prize...to the victor go the spoils. Now as far as life when it's not a sport and a tournament, of course, cooperative coexistence is a higher path than what humans currently live. There could indeed be a paradigm shift. As far as a sport and a tournament, well that's just a separate issue. I do support lower-ranked players getting more money though, that would allow lower-ranked players with less cash to rise instead of getting forced out by those with points and cash.
You probably will not read this message because I am sure that as soon as you wrote that, you sold your computer and stop paying for internet so that you can distribute your wealth. I am sure.
What is crazy about that? So many people are paying to watch the top guys play. Would it be fair if the tournament hosts keep all the money and the players get nothing, since you wouldn’t see how much the hosts make?
As someone who follows ITF and challenger events, I am 100% sure match-fixing at these levels occurs every tournament - throwing sets; and particularly spot-fixing the first game of each set.
I noticed that this video was probably created during or right after what was called the Western & Southern Open (now the Cincinnati Open). The give away - the W&S Fila shirt that you were wearing! I'm a volunteer there and we do it for the pure enjoyment and love of the game and that particular tournament. We pay our own way - no hotel rooms, no free meals (although we are give a small food allowance for each day we volunteer). We volunteer regardless ... because we enjoy it. Volunteers come there from all parts of the country.
Nah, they need to pay all the workers. They got plenty of money.
same for golfers
It's so sad to know that young, talented people play professional tennis hungry. Unfortunately, it's a sport for rich people only.
Outstanding Video! Thanks!
Something I was talking with my coach, is that tennis player can play for clubs, like Real Madrid, Atlanta United, most of those soccer teams are clubs, an have Basketball teams and even other solo sports like athleticism, for instance, the Venezuelan Yulimar Rojas, world record of triple jump on the Olympics, she comes from a poor area in Venezuela but was discovered trained and paid by Barcelona fútbol club, and represent the club even when in the Olympics she represent Venezuela and not Spain. Tennis should adopt that kind of club engagements
Novak Djokovic made a big stink about this problem on the world stage a long time ago. He's awesome!
Players union like the PTPA is a good first step
Tho I am 46 and a little obese, I just saw a tennis match and I think I could win a lot. I saw that Nadal has an academy. Anyone knows how much it cost for say two weeks in his academy? Do they give you the money back if I dont win Wimbledon or Roland Garros within a year? I think if I was to train for two weeks every day intensively, at least 2 hours per day, quite smoking and eat better with only two or three cheating meals per week, I could win two or three grand slams but I need a little training and to get to know the rules. Anyone knows what to do to sign up to play Roland Garros and Wimbledon? I check their website but couldnt find anyway to sign up as a player. Thanks
Respect to Novak Djokovic for speaking up. Thats his character right there. As a passionate tennis fan I do hope his efforts bear fruit in supporting many players.
Makes me feel differently about Dominique Thiem. easy for him to rule out saving some money for the lesser fortunate on the tour. Only argument that their attitude is not as good as his ?? Thats poor judgement on his part I think. He had a very dedicated family to support him all the way. Most players are not that fortunate. Hence he should've restricted himself for speaking out against a great and honourable idea. Anyways - he is history now.
I think one opportunity for lower ranked players is to start an online business similar to Felix at the tennis brothers and Simon Freund.
Both of these guys run a YT channel that is documenting their tennis journey.
Felix's YT channel is booming and it's paying for his tennis career with a potential to earn him big £££££ in the future.
If you dont have rich parents or a sponsor to fund your early tennis career, doing what Felix and Simon are doing is a viable way to fund your tennis career.
The first and foremost requisite is to make futures and challenger tournaments free of entry charge... Then the ATP should find a way to distribute revenues from TV stations for the top 500 players, both in men's and women's categories...
Great effort and all, but very general.
I researched this subject a while ago and have detailed stats for 2019 (pre-covid):
78% of all prize money goes to the top 100.
A player needs to be ranked 300-400 to roughly break even (35-50k a year), not including side jobs.
Over the whole career, 76% of ATP players make below $20k per year (should be better these days with the increased prizes).
The 800th ranked footballer (soccer) would be in one of the top leagues in Europe earning millions.
Just because everywhere in life wealth is concentrated at the top doesn't mean it should be this way. Not to mention that magnitude changes the nature of things: in Tennis, it's just too much concentration. Plot the sum of prize money vs player ranking and you will see a steep exponential decline.
It's a shame that the tournament sponsors don't provide some things like at least food & lodging for a weekend.
It's not a distribution problem. As mentioned, hardly anyone watches ITF or challenger tournaments. They simply need to reinvent the game. That's hard because you know who is against that ? Fans who are complaining about this in the first place.
Play doubles Neal Skupski and Ken Skupski made a living playing doubles.. They have the right mindset and good honest professionals from Liverpool... Liverpool is a soccer city.
A player at our club in Toronto, managed to qualify for the us open in 2019…he won three rounds which got him a first round evening match with Federer. $55000 US$ supported him for the remainder of the year, but a year later he has literally no money, and lives back in India.
Nagal...
Sounds analogous to the pay of the lowest tier of the Major League Baseball developmental farm system. Top paid players are uber rich, while most professional baseball players get little pay, many as low as a Walmart greeter.
Players usually have minimum expense of 12000 dollars a year except the flight and hotels.
Professional tennis players are business owners. Group sport players are employees. Employees get stable income.
Actually the winner of a 15k gets 2 thousand dollars. 15k is shared among all the players but the winner gets the most
Tennis just needs more marketing to get players better pay. The pay is reasonable.
I can't believe that they don't even pay for flights and accomodation to the players they invite to their tournament!
without sponsors, they basically pay to play until a breakout event, if it even happens
Maybe being paid a weekly amount for being ranked 100-500 in the world can help the players have cash to make it to the top 100 where there can be opportunities for sponsors to cover the cost.
But where would that money come from? The top players? You saw how few tennis players supported Djokovic’s initiative.
The only way is for the atp, wta, etc. to unite and negotiate a better television deal. With that extra money, more improvements can be made. However, that will almost never happen in the near future.
@@Deerjason it should come from the ATP and WTA who manage the ranking board
@@Ronakvevo they need to make money though. The money has to come from somewhere
i certainly would not expect anyone below the top 100 to be making money.
To 50 they can survive 😂😂😂
As the saying goes: "If Tennis was a city no-one would want to live in it."
I haven't heard that saying nor do I buy into it. As the saying goes, "If you haven't heard of something they say is a saying it's probably not really a saying." There is an old saying though, it's Irish,", "Many a time a man's mouth has gotten his nose broken." Now, that's a saying. It's not directed at you though.
The CEO of the apt alone makes $1 million a year in salary, not including bonuses and expenses like a company car. Top heavy, like most companies, who have a bloated executive suite.
Is there any reason for basically ignoring Novak and everything he has done for tennis players and using Alcaraz video material all the way through the video?
Because tennis fans are biased and they will never acknowledge Novak's achievements
Don’t forget about sponsorship money, sneaker deals, other brand deals, there is still a lot of money as long as you are actually good
The challenger and future circuit is just so incredibly harsh.
Many potentially good players are just better off with other choices as well like college tennis for a nice degree or just sticking to national level.
For example in the Netherlands plenty good players purposefully tank their rating so they can play tournaments at one level below national. These local tournaments often draw nicer crowds and winning prize is often around 500 to 1000 euro for typically 4 or 5 matches.
I think the whole tournament scene needs a revamp. Nobody cares for or really watches challengers and futures so the money isnt there yet every aspiring pro relies on it. Tennis is really not such a big sport, many people watch it but only the slams and sports like football, basketball etc have way more viewership especially for college and amateur level. Tennis is just not something people follow like they do their local basketball/football team. Most of these events run at a loss if it weren't for the tour.
First, when Novak pointed this problem he was mocked and still is by trying to organize players association.
Second, it’s matter of choice to make it professional when you can work something else in life and still enjoy amateur game.
Third, this tells you how hard is to become top player and stay relevant.
i have a friend who is about 900-1000 ranked atp player.
i agree they have to increase the money for these player of atp events,
however my friend is making decent money from the local club he is playing at.
the club supports him and contracted him as he is the best player in the club by far.
what i am saying is these players are not making money just from the atp events.
*his expenses are covered too.
It’s tough when you have a dream and pursue it against your financial self-interest. Also, keep in mind that coming up through the Junior ranks isn’t cheap either. 😊
they will be totally fine. it's just they can't make money from atp tour. they'd get very decent money for teaching tennis / being a coach / running an academy. for sure they won't live a gorgeous life as these top players but it's already amazing enough compared to ordinary people
If these guys are going to travel to get points, they could use some support. Obviously not from you, but the system could be modified to help the lower-tier pros survive trying to get their ranking up coming out of the gate. it costs a fortune to get those points and those who have them are sitting on a mountain of cass and are holding the points, they may not even be better players. The system should change to make that effort more viable.
The teaching option is so far removed from the playing option, they are even different skills, although they are related. Ordinary people (whatever that means) have this picture in their minds of what teaching/being a coach/running an academy is like... and you're right it should be considered amazing relatively speaking. No doubt about it for plenty going that route.
10:00 just FYI, Montecarlo is NOT in Switzerland, we don’t claim them and don’t think are planning to invade them any time soon…
I believe the numbers are 95% of players hardly earn enough to consider themselves in the above average earnings level. Very very very few pros ever make a good loving playing tennis. The goal they have is create a name for themselves so they can teach at local clubs for an extremely high rate. I’ve seen ATP pros charge as much as $250/hr for one on one lessons. Pros are also able to travel to multiple tennis clubs to teach and they typically get the majority of lesson money (as much as 80%) since the clubs make money by promoting an ATP player as a coach. If a platter does 12 lessons a week they can make as much as $2400/wk by teaching
That works for sure but you said," Very, very, very few pros ever make a good loving.." although you mean to write living instead of loving I would wager that they make A LOT of good loving, it's a PASTIME. They aren't as "lonely" as let's say... a realtor. If there are 100 pros out there cashing in there are probably over 5 million realtors, so yeah, it's an elite thing and there are few on top of that mountain where the air is very thin.
@@slingshotchicken4695 Is your mommy proud that you happened to catch a misspelled word? Good for you. Though any ADULT with HALF AN IQ POINT would have known exactly what I meant. As for the thin air, thankfully as one of the top agents in the Nation I tend to breathe just fine. Now go back to the basement and finish trolling for clout while the adults laugh at you
Tennis players should earn a salary based on their ranking. In the english premier league a part of the earnings for television rights are distributed among the teams. Being the players the main attraction for the fans they could get to an agreement if they push the tornaments... (I'm a ignorant on this subject and tennis in general)
Many players you see come from rich families, many of the players who used to beat them can no longer afford to play
Excellent piece, really well made!
My question here is: Where was Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal (the supposedly called "angels" of the tennis world) when things like these happen. Djokovic (the "bad" guy of the tennis world) was the one out of these three that actually made something happen.
If playing "professionally" when you aren't good enough to make money playing tennis is a bad idea. Why is it Federer's job to give them money when he isn't the one who told them to play???
@sambrickell9142 It's like saying, "Why donate to charity when it's not our job to pay them" or "Why help the homeless if they can get a job and pay for themselve". Great way of thinking bro 👍, I'm sure the world would be a much, much better place if everyone thinks like that.
ATP ITF & WTA forming 1 organization should be the final aim. Things will fall under place after that
In germany there are like 14 or 16 itf tournaments, and there is a german wide travel ticket for 49 euros a month. So travel cost is under 600 euros yearly for unlimited travel within germany. Seems pretty good compared to 1k per tournament.
Its pretty absurd, considering all the sponsors. Someone is skimming off the top, ans not just a little at that
I don't understand for the life of me why this such a controversial thing. It's the same as business. It takes investment and most dont make it. The best rise to the top and benefit. This isn't bad. This is a good thing. It creates the best. It rewards the best.
wow...never knew... That's crazy.
I'll quote a wise man from Quora because im too lazy: "At the ATP Tour (and Challenger) level, the tournaments are actually required to provide hotel rooms for the players. It’s in the ATP/WTA Rules. The tournaments provide one double room for the player (and a guest, which can be a significant other or a coach). Additional rooms have to be covered by the player (at a preferential tournament player rate), as do any incidentals charged to the room. There are some variations in the length of stay that players are entitled to based on the level of the tournament and other factors, but basically, the tournaments have to cover the basic charges involved for the days the player remains in the event, as well as a few days on each side. These stays are booked at the official tournament hotel(s), and the players are required to make reservations for the rooms no less than two weeks in advance, or they sacrifice the free room. Also, some events, like Indian Wells and Miami, offer longer stays and better perks than they are required to, as they like to pamper the players.
So basically, during the main tour year, the tournaments provide the basic hotel rooms, but the players (or a handler) still have to make a reservation, and they have to cover any additional rooms needed for their teams at the preferential player rate. But, once players reach a certain level, they often choose to stay at a different hotel of their choosing, or in larger/fancier accommodations at the official hotel(s) at their own expense."
TLDR; Players do NOT need to pay for hotel expenses at ATP or WTA tournaments. My grandfather, a high ranking umpire who has been to a multitude of ATP games also gave me proof for this + the players do actually NOT need to pay for food or other essentials at any ATP or often Challengers tournaments.
I'll add to this: The Flight is always paid by the tournament host as well. ONLY family members and/or coach have to pay for the flight. The players themselves do NOT have to pay for the flight.
++ IM NOT SAYING THAT TENNIS IS NOT A HARSH BUSINESS, IT DEFINETLY IS, ESPECIALLY WHEN U COMPARE THE INCOME OF TENNIS PLAYERS WITH PRO PLAYERS OF OTHER SPORTS LIKE FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL OR (SOCCER(the real football))
Give them more of the earnings it's criminal!!!
Needs to be more team-based competition. Then money for more and more security.
Yuppp!
exactly like golf imo
I had to leave a comment. It was a fabulous description of sad affairs behind the curtain.
THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN.....
just 15k ? like...how make in a year ?
It’s a simple game. Win games. Make money.
Aspiring tennis players need to have a Plan B. Go to college and get a degree while competing in the NCAA. If you are exceptional, go try your luck out on the pro. circuit. If that doesn't work out, one can be a teaching pro at some club or resort. I played tennis for Rutgers. One of the guys on our team got a job and worked for Club Med as a teaching pro. and later settled in as a pro. at a local tennis club. He made a decent living, nothing glamorous, although he said working at Club Med was one of the highlights of his career.
10:13 Sorry @Tennis Plus, but Monte Carlo is not in Switzerland but in the Principality of Monaco in the south of France.
I like tennis in terms of watching it, but definitely, there re much more expenses for most tennis players, than players in other sports.
HEY! He said Squash! Love this channel already :D
Sounds like Novak is the man, that why the officials and board members dislike him so much. He has a voice and stands up for what he believes in and actually tries to help other players.
Professional tennis is not a job…it’s a fricking adventure!
Why do you only recieve 15% of the prize money when you win a futures or challenger?
I think that means the percentage of the total prize pool. What you get you get.
High Risk, High Gain
Mmmm interesting. However, nothing is ever simple...
What about players who have made it to the top 100/top10, made good money but don't want to leave and just keep playing and hang around the 100-20 mark. Do they get a guaranteed income, instead of retiring and letting new players in?
Also should these players get Wild Cards to ATP events or should it be for younger players?!?
The weirdest wild card this year was Attila Balazs, age 35. He played two atp games in a main draw and lost 6-1, 6-1, 6-0 in R1 to Medvedev at US Open, and 6-1, 6-0, 6-3 to RBA in R1 at Wimbledon. Wow, I wouldn't be happy paying money to see those games!
So any system would need caveats, conditions, allocations or eligibility requirements. Otherwise lots of unintended consequence. Some players would just keep playing because that's all they have ever done. Maybe some of the lower ranked players also need to get some other qualifications at the same time rather than just hitting a tennis ball.
That may seem a little harsh. But there's no guarantee the current 135 ranked player in a harder competition wouldn't be more like 300+. So trying to fix that player's issue just made it worse for him. Potentially something other than tennis is what he should now be doing at age 26....
You have given this some thought, I respect that. I didn't like the harsh finish though, it got rough. I don't agree that you should give up at 26 if you feel behind schedule as it were. Now you may retire earlier if the funds aren't there, that will get you a Plan B by necessity. I have found a logical career change coming off the tour is Lion Taming. Definitely don't go into the clown business, it's too competitive and the pay is unpredictable. Now if you go to Clown School (such places do exist) you can improve your odds. ruclips.net/video/WT8t3i8CkMQ/видео.htmlsi=3O1ZIvqQSOxD26pY
It's more like rich people get to be tennis pros.
I think appearance fees are unnecessary
They should use that money to pay the lower ranked players better so to keep the game interesting to watch for the younger generation
Great Video!
Thanks!
i think the top players are levelled with big football players, in footballe you have a messi or ronaldo getting 100 milion a year and on the bench a player who gets 1 milion a year and i talk about premier ship cause down one category the everage pay is like 5000 a week , so not much difference, the only one is that football club make deal with streaming service for billions , tennis not quite the same
Professional football/soccer players sitting on the bench are often not “below average” or “mediocre”. There is a finite number of positions on the field at any one time, and at some point, those players need to be substituted or rested.
That does not mean their replacements are “below average” or “mediocre”.
It’s a *team* sport, the clue is in the name.
This goes for most elite team sports, so it’s an ignorant and narrow-minded thing to say without basic context.
The solution is actually in the video: don’t be poor.
And if you are, why do you even play tennis when you should go to work?
You made a point, a fair point, but it was weak, the way the sport works is correct, it rewards talent and turfs out the less talented players, that is how it should work, if you are good enough, you will enjoy success, if you are below average, this will reflect in your ranking and earnings...
Players are not forced to play, they want to play, they could play, study, become something outside of tennis/squash/pickleball... The point is, they are lucky there are tours/tournaments every week, maybe the pay to play could be excluded, you play a "tour-school", in fact Golf maybe is the best example, you need to be consistent or you loose your tour card, and have to go back to qualifying..
Maybe Tennis should adopt a tour school, or put the players on salary for x Dollars per round, each round pays a bit more.. Make the tour points valuable so that you have to have a certain ranking to stay in the tour, if not relegated to the tour school level, and have to play a season in the "minors" and if you win you gain enough points, to be promoted back to the tour.. ???
Excellent video
Glad you liked it
Go PTPA, Go Djokovic take down selfish fedal and evil greedy corporate establishment in tennis.
Do u have evidence that fedal doesn't support Novak's efforts. Why do u call them selfish? U don't have to bring down others to appreciate Novak.
@@naveed8022 while Novak was in ATP council, he made ATP to redistribute prize money to lower ranked players. As soon as Fedal kicked him out, they reverted it back. That's pretty much enough, even though there is a lot more stuff to speak about.
@@Арчи-д5т Indeed!
@@naveed8022 Wow are you delusional? or maybe blind fan or something. Just type it on google and find out, fedal are selfish corporate pups and through their actions they showed that they ONLY care about their self interest at the expense of others!
@@naveed8022please do some homework!!
Isn’t it like this in any sport or even profession? If you are good enough you progress and make more money, if not, maybe you should look for something else. Only because your dream is to be tennis player, doesn’t mean you are good enough to make a living out of it.
Not for the best 1000 like in football where the best 2000 are living their dream lives
Yes, because top 2000 footballers CONTRIBUTE to their clubs (Who are also their employers). Nobody cares to watch f.e 400th tennis player, unless he improves in raking, which he will - if he is good enough
@@lukapantovic9046 what do you mean good enough being in the top 2000 or top 1000 of anything in the world is a feat only a few can dream of
Thats great, but even the biggest tennis fans havent heard of 1000th player in the world. Hence, nobody cares to watch him perform. They want to be paid more than surgeon because they reached 1 in a lifetime second round of grend slem. Well, no
The problem with Tennis and the players is that there is NO union per say. Tennis is a vagabond life. Thus, the tournaments need to provide hotel space and meals. They need to provide lodging and free flights for the top 10/20/30 players to the tournaments. If they dont than they make it difficult for all parties concerned.
Possible solutions:
1. The 7 stakeholders to band together into a SINGLE body, to negotiate with the media companies with a single voice, and extract fair value for the players. This increases the size of the pie to begin with.
2. Tournament OWNERS to not take the majority share of revenues (currently about 93% on average). The players should get at a minimum, 50% of the revenues generated, not 7% on average as it stands currently. Whether it is the PTPA who represents the players interests, or another body, they should strike until they get what is fairly owed to them.
3. Thiem is wrong with his vies. Why? Because if a player doesn't work hard enough, they will get sub-par results anyway. Tennis is a meritocracy after all.
4. Someone like Ion Tiriac should partner with a wealthy nation like Norway (Norway has a huge sovereign wealth fund) to essentially DRAG tennis kicking and screaming into the modern age, like what has happened with LIV golf, and before it with cricket and rugby league.
exactly!!
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and that will never happen so...
@@emillyyelen5169 it happened with cricket, rugby league and golf, so...
Cry me a river. These are people who want other people to pay them to play a game.
Wrap lower ranked are worse than atp in lifestyle
learned at lot, Monte Carlo is located in Switzerland...🙄
I propose 5 set matches between the top 4 ranked players , 8 times a year . You can wrap it up over a weekend . Money split between the players broadcasters and atp common fund .
The fans get what they want , the top players get to make even more money , and the lower ranked players get subsidised .
What are the requirement to enter these 25k tournaments?
You think tennis is bad? Try pool. If you're a top 100 player, you're making less than $10K a year. Top 50? About $20K a year. The top prize money in pool tournaments is $20K - $50K. There are many, many sports where you play for the love of the game. If you can't afford the endless plane flights and hotel rooms then you're a "local pro." I bet the MMA is utterly brutal to their athletes too. Unless you're the elite of the elite, you're not making money.
A financially secure top 250 is a competitive top 250 i suppose
You sound like The Stupendous Wave
Tennis isn’t the most watched sport in the world and it’s not even close to being it