7:09 You're wrong. Any and all OGL legacy content will not be full-on removed from Archives of Nethys. The plan was said to put all the legacy content in it's own section of the site, which you can access using Shelyn's Corner (the little palette and paintbrush icon on the top right of the website).
@@Nonat1s I really enjoy your content, but... Not looking up things like this is not acceptable. Next time you find yourself saying I don't know about something core to your video, ask yourself how long it would take to look it up. Either it was a bait for engagement or laziness, either way not justification to spread misinformation.
@@RexCogitans while you're not technically wrong about doing the research, do you really gotta take it that seriously? He's a dude on RUclips, it's a pretty easy mistake to make and made up for it by pinning the comment to make sure it's known. It would be amazing if people that act this way would put that energy into something that actually matters lol
@@RexCogitans Just got to this part, he did say "Correct me if I'm wrong in the comments" which is largely fine imo since it's acknowledging he doesn't know 100% and pinning this comment is probably good enough.
I would love if Paizo released a "change sheet" for the remaster listing out all the changes. Hell, they could charge $20 for it and I would buy immediately. And probably also buy the book just to show some support but a condensed changelog would be INCREDIBLE. Also, commenting at the end of the video to boost retention rates so Nonat can buy his chicken nuggies.
archives of Nethys have already announced how they are handling the. They have a site wide toggle, taht os set to remaster by default in the top corner, and on all entries with a difference between versions, the will be a temp toggle on the entry to switch between legacy and remaster without effecting your site wide setting.
If you're going tell them you don't want to pirate shit anymore and that if they don't have the book physically in hand or on an official sim it can't be used. Then stealthily drop the fact that everything 2e is available free of charge and it has vastly more character options.
Great video. On the topic of death in TTRPGs, I'm a 43 year old man and I still remember the first time a character of mine died. It happened back in the early 90's. People get attached to characters but sometimes a character death makes that character stand out. A little over 3 decades later I still remember him over the many other PCs I've rolled. Don't make death cheap and your character will live on even in death. :) Rip: Sir Hamfist II
Nonat, *supporting Paizo* alone would be reason enough for me to buy the books!! The fact they stood up and said “hey, we’ll do something constructive and support everyone affected” in the wake of the OGL, and that they are so passionate about their gaming community (and it is a community- even with the (strongly) varying opinions) that they say “here, you don’t have the money, have access for free!!!” is reason enough for me to set aside money of my own to want to buy their books and products where I possibly can!!! Also, PF1e was my introduction to the gaming world so they always have a soft spot in my heart. Just so you know, you’re not alone in your opinions 😊
Quick note on the Death mentality. Another thing to keep in mind is that Chainmail, 1e and even AD&D were fundamentally War Games. At the end of the day it was essentially EXPECTED that you'd have to die and re-make characters multiple times through a campaign. Moving into 3e and beyond, the community focused shifted more towards that roleplaying aspect and people started getting a lot more invested in their characters. Not saying old-school games couldn't have good roleplay, but there were just different expectations in earlier editions.
Yep. As someone who started back in those days. It was almost a revolution to put a name on a character. As I noted in another comment, this is a fully viable character description from those days: F3 15hp 15,12,11,8,13,7 chainmail, +1 longsword. That's close to what you'd actually find in the back of some adventures. That era began to pass in the early mid 80s. I think computer games had a lot to do with this, combined with novels like Dragonlance. After the Dragonlance novel was the very first time I personally saw players show up wanting a story, or having a backstory. Even outside of D&D. character depth was rare. Computer games began to and now even further have replaced the 'game challenge' aspect - leaving the story and 'role' part for tRPGs to perfect.
And now death is a fundamentally counterproductive mechanic. Part of it is the greater emphasis on roleplaying, part of it is because character creation is a much more involved process, part of it is because the way the game is balanced death really doesn't have any mechanical cost (leaving the main cost a matter of roleplay). The long and short of it is, the risk of death is far, far more trouble than it's worth, even if the dice say it's only a 1/10000 chance. And so long as the chance is non-zero, it has to be extremely low precisely to avoid ever having to deal with the hassle. Like, death mechanics have changed a lot over the last 50 years of D&D/PF, but they've changed a lot slower than how people actually play. And, notably, death is a solved problem in other systems. Fabula Ultima is a good example of one of the main ways modern games do death right. When you go down, you get a choice rather than messing with [Wounded] and [Dying]. Do you survive at some steep (and permanent!) but narratively appropriate cost? Or do you go out in a blaze of glory? No yo-yo problem, no unwanted narrative derailments, no need to be overly concerned about TPKs, guaranteed tension without actual risk...
I fully agree about the emotional attachment to the character. It takes me at least a week to build the character mechanically, and to develop the personality I am going to play as. Are they a cold-hearted fighter that only cares about coin? A generous rogue that gives most of their earnings (illicit or otherwise) to the local orphanage that they were raised in to help others? I think my prep times makes role-play of the character that much easier, but not everyone is the same. But I prefer my characters to be more memorable. If years after you and your friends finish a campaign and they are still talking about your character and what they did, that is good role-playing IMHO.
The old school vs new school blew my mind. I come from the good old days of 3.5. That's why I love pathfinder 1e the most but yeah I totally started with meat grinders or one shots over a huge invested game. That was like a light bulb
3.5 is pretty new-school compared to 2nd where I started, which in turn was compared to first. I remember looking at an adventure for first edition that provided some "pre-built" characters in case there was a new player joining. They were literally just the Str, Dex, Con, Int, Wis, and Cha stats and a single letter to denote class. Everything else could be determined from that. So if you died, you could be back up-and-running after rolling 3d6, six times, in order and figuring out what class best suited those stats. 1st Ed, Elf and Dwarf were classes, and there wasn't even a separate race entry. XP didn't exist, and you leveled by how much gold you'd gathered over the adventure.
3.5 was an easy highly survivable game compared to the 'old old school'. "Back in my day" I bought the AD&D 1E books off the shelf at a Sears in the toy section where they were new products. But before that I began with AD&D Module S1 - which had a section in the book full of replacement characters. Back then you could get all the info needed for a character into a single line of text about the size of a sentence. Something like this: F3 15hp 15,12,11,8,13,7 chainmail, +1 longsword. So the book had something like 60+ of them on a single page and a win was if you could make it to end before running out that sheet. Something few groups could manage. But people just don't play like that anymore. Somewhere along the way our characters got names...
The first reason that came to mind was to support Paizo since the rules are going to be free regardless, but I didn't expect it to be an actual part of the video!
My reason for picking it up was a great launching off point to jump into PF2e. I'm one of the ship jumpers due to the OGL scandal. I've been wanting to support the game and this reset was just the perfect time for me.
I'm one of those people with the Rules Subscription and sitting here in Germany and CANT WAIT for the to finally send the books so I get access to the .pdf's! It's a lot Paizo support for me, I also like to have physical books on my shelves and in case my table will every get "real" (as opposed to virtual) again, I like to have the books around.
7:09 Pro tip for Archives of Nethys. The settings in the upper right (paintbrush and easel icon) allows you to switch between preferring Legacy vs Remaster content. 15:32 I am converting my DnD group over to PF2e and learning to DM. While learning the rules of PF2e I have began to learn a lot more about Paizo. Their stance with the creation of the ORC license + publishing the rules on Archives of Nethys + their transparency with the community. Speaks a lot about who they are as a company and I really feel like they truly care about the community/their customers. Which is a rarity in the modern world that we live in and most companies just see you as an target with the goal of getting you to pay micro-transactions until your credit card bounces. Also, a 4th reason to buy the remaster. As time goes on, there will be small changes to the game. Even if it is just spelling corrections in the books or slight clarifications to rules. The remaster version is the current rule set and will get those updates. I'm not sure, but I would guess that most/any of those changes won't get pushed back into the OGL version.
I actually was just getting into PF2E to an extend where I wanted to get the books like right when the remaster was announced so since I do not have any books I was planning on buying both Player Cores & the GM Core. I'm getting the pocket editions though because I don't have room for big books and I'll save some money that way so I need to wait.
I found funny when you said it's expensive. The average minimum wage in the US is 7,25 dollars, a minimum American needs to work 5 hours to buy a book, here in Brazil a minimum wage worker would have to work 4 DAYS to buy the same book.
All reasons I'm wrestling with. On the "not" side, it's expensive, and I can get a reference version online that's helpfully hyperlinked with all other existing content. Plus I'm making do on a janitor's paycheck, and there's so many competing hobbies for my thin discretionary spending. On the "yes" side, I've heard a lot about the good layout, I don't have any previous books so I don't feel I'm "wasting" anything, and I'd like to support the company that makes it. Thanks to some personal stuff I lost a friend group, so I'll have a bit of funds I'm not going to allocate towards holiday gifts, so we'll see.
I always really appreciate your (usually lol) much more objective look at content and all. Breaking things down and making reasonable digestible chunks out of them is incredibly helpful.
Glad to hear that the new books have a better layout. This will be my start to PH2. I don't think I am a good DM but I want to be the third backup DM (our second DM has another group and it might be too much). Also, we have a 3.5 DM and a 5e DM, so having a DM for PF2 sounds cool.
I'd love to buy the books. I've been collecting the books up to Rage of Elements, both hard cover and pocket edition, but with four new books releasing each at around 80 dollars, that's just way too much for me to spend on collectors items right now. I'm not working my previous job which is what funded all the books in the first place. This might be the first time that I get the pdfs instead of the books. I'm really grateful that Paizo lets us access the rules for free online, not to mention Foundry VTT gives all official content up front with a one time fee for the software itself. I do appreciate that it doesn't feel like I have to buy the books, and sometime when I feel it can be afforded, I'll likely purchase them piecemeal to continue expanding my collection. It feels like Paizo doesn't want payers, they want a community, and that means the world to me. I hope they never change. Edit: Of course this isn't to say that we shouldn't support Paizo when we have the chance. They do need to keep the lights on after all.
Also kind of to build on what you were saying about the character death now this is just my personal experience When the GM is writing the story for the game, they also incorporate the characters back stories so constantly killing the characters means now new things, and old things have to be swapped around or removed and added so it is also taxing on the GM now of course this is more for someone running a homebrew campaign, but it is still something we should look at as well
Great video NoNat. I'm very excited about the Remaster - if for no other reason than I like to buy books, and support Paizo. I'm a big fan of change, especially when it's refinement, or establishing a new identity with verbiage. There's a lot of people on the internet who are very vocal about disliking change, and to those people I'd just like to say, "you'll live." You can still play the old version. New modules that come out can be translated to legacy rules - just like how old modules I want to play will need to be translated to the remaster rules.
15:20 I wanted to say one thing on the mindsets of characters should die. I'm primarily a DM that does allow for my players to die and don't pull punches when they do. The way I've learned to handle players death is by leaving it up the players to undo the death. Unless the world I'm running has a strict for story reasons players cannot be revived, I will have the group players earn/quest to bring a PC back. Granted i can do this because my group is close and they're willing to go through that for other players, but we do play (for the most part) high fantasy games where magic and resurrection exist. What i am against is INTENTIONALLY killing players because that's what I'm supposed to do as a DM, because that I agree doesn't not add to the game or the story. I only make this comment because I feel like there's some kind of taboo about characters dying and DMs tend to avoid making death be a part of the story. Though i know thats not everyone's style
The reason i dont like death in my games is because my character gets invested in the story. Killong them undoes that and forces me to start over except we are halfway through the campaign. It just kills interest as i lose all the story connection from before. If I'm playing in a campaign that is trying to be lethal, I am not making characters I'm invested in or will feel upset about losing... But that just makes the whole thing less fun.
I'm gonna at least pick up the GM Core, probably eventually the Player's Core(or add it to my holiday list and see if anyone gets it for me :shrug: ) and the other two books when they come out at least in the soft cover (along with rage of elements since that's under the remastered and I absolutely adore the Kineticist).
Also, I don't have any of the books yet, still new to PF2e from really looking at/into it from when the OGL debacle(sp?) went down but currently in a pf1e game :3
I’m almost 30 and I only started playing ttrpg for the first this summer (one one-shot and two sessions on a DND campaign that I’m still on rn) and I haven’t played Pathfinder yet but I want to give it a chance as I don’t like being married to one system. Not just because of the mess that’s happening to DND rn, I mostly just want to explore other options. I don’t feel ready to buy the new core books/pdfs yet as I want to play a session or two first and get a feel for the system before I make my decision.
My two cents on death mentality? I love the threat that death provides and how I like its presence motivating roleplay over tactical play in my games. If you're worried about your wizard dying you prepare different spells than if you're a glass canon with many fireballs. I had a little flavour of players describing little scars their character gets up with after being knocked down with a significant enough hit. Lasting injuries in a dangerous setting can drive grounded roleplay. If NPCs fear death, your players might too, depends what kind of a game you want to play
I did grab the PDFs because I love the game, even if the group I'm in is only two folks right now with an occasional and unreliable third available. Hopefully getting back the reliable player/gm we lost a year ago, but they had a valid reason for having to put a pause on their gaming so we've been supportive of that choice. Actually working on two different character ideas right now since we're going to try running a new game if our occasional 3rd gets a schedule worked out... Besides, character concepts can be tweaked as needed if and when a for sure game pops up.
Where I have most of the physical books already I think having the remaster in my possession will hopefully make it easier to transition into the rule set even though most it will be same just with a slight wording difference
Supporting paizo is the main reason I will buy the player core and the second one once it is out. Idealy in french but probably in english as I don't know how long the translation will take to arrive.
For me, (death and dying), it all depends on what kind of game you're playing. Sword & Sorcery, Dark Fantasy, Standard Fantasy, Heroic Fantasy, etc. Sword & Sorcery and Dark fantasy, yeah, death may be permanent, or have severe consequences for "violating the natural order". There are times where my friends and I prefer playing Heroic Fantasy, where your characters are heroes, so if they're going to go out it needs to be epic, and make a great story. :)
The biggest reason I am not going to is I already have about a dozen different TTRPG systems. I think I have the core book for PF2E but not sure. I just have enough that I will buy it and it will be shelfed for a long time.
Great video (as always). You're pretty much the only Pathfinder RUclipsr my partner can stand to watch, which is great since I'm trying to get him into the game. (He also thinks your vampire teeth are really cool). My only slight criticism for this video is that a lot of the reasons for and against work on the assumption of the viewer already having the non-remaster books. Which is fair, I assume that's most of your audience. My partner was hoping for more reasons why a new player SHOULD get into the game (because me saying "it's awesome, now's the best time to get into it since you don't have to unlearn anything" isn't good enough for him...).
Let me answer your reasons, my friend: Not: 1) I still remember D&D 3.5. I BOUGHT D&D 3.5. Do you think a slow deviation is stopping me from buying Pathfinder 2e Remaster? 2) Funnily enough, the cost in euros is lower - and I'm european. Plus, it's gonna be a christmas gift, so I'm not even the one who's gonna fork the moolah. 3) ...you don't have as many luddite players as I do, now do you? Two of them are gonna use PDFs and/or Nethys, tops. Do: 1) You're preaching to the choir. I already had a little advance through Rage of Elements, and it piqued my interest. 2) Sadly, this is no reason for me - I am the proud owner of humongous monsters like The World of Synnibarr and the Fallout RPG, that are just as big as the original PF2e book, if not larger. Size is no problem. 3) This is a decent reason, but let me answer it with an even better reason: it makes WotC angry. And the quckers deserve every disappointment they get.
I'm a major book nerd and a DnD refugee, so if I'm going to get invested, the remaster will likely be my first book. We'll see if my current campaign lasts long enough to justify the expense.
i am going to by the remaster... eventually. i just bought the core rule book at the start of the year and am slowly intergrading the new rules into it in my own world.
id have to disagree. Pathfinder 1e had the ability to make extremely unique characters. We had a game with 2 monks and we played very different. i was a monkey monk that specialized on mobility and the other one was focused around stunning strike.
I just bought two physical bestiaries so I won't be buying the remaster anytime soon. But I likely will buy it after a while. The better formatting seems like it would be my favorite bonus.
Definitely in my plans to support Paizo with the remaster, but also through their Lost Omens books and adventure paths. I'm really happy that the remaster brings a lot of cool stuff, but I don't feel like I am in a hurry to buy it since there's still a lot to come with the future player core books. In the meantime I've just received the first book of Seasons of Ghosts and I can't wait for the others.
Point 3 for purchasing is point 1 for me, we as a community have an opportunity to support the people that are pushing for the community. Is Paizo perfect nope, but neither am I, they are making moves that I believe are for the benefit of the TTRPG hobby as a whole and that alone is enough to earn my money.
The death vs. play story thing... it's because in AD&D the character was not supposed to be an avatar of the player. It was like a playing piece in miniature wargaming or in chess... or in Trouble 🙃 In fact we usually rolled up new characters when playing a new adventure module, it only took 15-30 minutes to create a new party. To be honest the notion that a PC ought to be a mirror image of the player sounds more like a neurotic quirk in that particular player than a feature of the game.
15:40 reasons like this remind me of a somewhat fun saying: How do you make a small fortune with Pen&Paper? You start with a large fortune. It'll likely take some time for me to buy the remastered rules... alone having them as pdf available (shipping the rules over to Germany would be to expensive) would help a lot once groups start actually shifting to the available remastered content. Discussions already happen... mostly around that 1 rule but they happen.
That was really informative, thank you! Sadly, I think I'll still opt for old rulebook, mainly because I don't know when, or rather if, new Cores would be translated and officially sold in my place.
I own core book and the gamemastery guide on demiplane so they had a "promotion" to get the player and gm core for free and because it syncs back to paizo I think I'll get the PDFs as well.
I will either buy the book next year when I have some extra cash, or if they do a Humble Bundle where you can get the book and a bunch of other PDFs (which is how I started my collection) I'll get it then.
If Paizo brings out the books in japanese I will def buy ALL OF THEM just to browse them. 400 pages of technical language for 60 bucks is a bargin actually.
I went ahead & got the PF 2e remaster, because I don't have the PF 2e books. I got the sketch cover versions of the GM Core & Player Core. Yes, it was expensive, especially here in Australia, I simply chose to support Paizo for their work on ORC to compete with/replace the OGL. It's also going to be my first ever foray into the Pathfinder Universe/Multiverse, & I really like what I've seen in terms of them outlining what you can & cannot do.
As for your Sidebar 11:54 The way I see it, the new death rules actually, allows for a much more realistic viewpoint in terms of... "Would I do this if it was actually me?". Yes, it's a fantasy game, we all know the main reason as to why we want a story, is so that we can LIVE in it. By making death a lot more viable, we now have to consider our character's actions more delicately. 5e has very much a similar issue where death isn't really 'scary', 2e Remaster, oh boy! BRING! IT! ON!!!
Regarding death: I hate player death. But I think combat is exciting because it exists. Losing a character you spent hours on sucks, but it’s a lot of fun to survive by a hairs breadth because the DM fudged a roll or teo or three to your benefit and you spent a hero point to apply the rule of cool. And it’s only fun to survive like that because, if you didn’t think on your feet and convince the DM to let it slide once again, your character would actually die. I love theorycrafting new characters, and there are a lot I have yet to play. But because of the effort sunk into each one, their backstories, be they badass or goofy, and their role in the party, from the healer to the powerhouse, I would much rather see them fade into the background of the world by leaving the party and goin on their own way, rather than dying and being lost forever.
For the moment I'm sticking with the old rulebook for my group, although for different reasons. With my group, two of my player's classes aren't in the Player Core, barbarian and swashbuckler. So I don't want to transition my game until I have remasters for everyone at the same time. I know they completely redid the witch, but it still really surprised me they took barbarian out of the player core. As to the price, I think it is ridiculous how much books are today. Pathfinder and D&D alike. I know inflation is insane right now, but it's hard to see going from a $70 core rulebook, to $120 for the same info split into two books. I'm going to pick up the remaster as I like what Paizo is doing and want to support, just remember 1st edition AD&D player's handbook for $12 and when 3.5 came out they were only $20 for each core book. Not that much of an increase considering there was 26 years between when 1st edition came out and the release of 3.5. Compare that to 16 years between the release of 3.5 and pathfinder 2e (before remaster). Then 4 years between pf2e and pf2e remaster.
I’ll get it. Much like my current core rule book it’ll be the smaller paper back version that Paizo does. Everyone seems to forget that paizo has those versions of their books. That are half the price of the hardbacks.
Went to the comment section right away to read, because old content being removed from Nethys just sounds plain wrong with how it operates. 1st Edition still exists on Nethys, and in this game you can find both the legacy and Unchained classes, so removing Legacy 2E would be a huge precedent on multiple account. Tangentially, I suspect the Remaster is not called Unchained just so the name remains available in 5-10 more years if they need a "second Remaster". Because so far, that's exactly what the Remaster looks like: a 2E version of Unchained rules. (Which is a positive, BTW!)
I'm probably going to buy the PDFs, but I think I'll wait until all four remaster books are out to decide if I want them physically... and/or wait until they are available in pocket edition, I haven't decided that part yet.
I will be getting the Player and GM cores. I'm relatively new to 2E and I like physical books, just held off getting the core for the remaster. I am disappointed that due to the rush to get the new ORC/non-OGL books out there's a lot of sloppiness in rules and legacies of the old core book (example: under Skill Checks and DCs in the player core it refers to Chapter 10: Game Mastering). I feel like they should have released the PDFs a couple months before printing so the player base could catch all the mistakes and rules issues so that they could be fixed for the less easily updated physical version.
I am looking forward to picking up the remaster. I am hoping to get my group into Pathfinder, and even if they are not responsive, then at least I have a resource for my other games.
I’ve had interest in Pathfinder and finding out about this remaster piques my interest. Both because I like the ideas introduced in Pathfinder and that Paizo is so much better morally than WoTC. I’ve been watching more and more videos about it and I’m really into a lot of how the game works in comparison to DnD. I’m more of a TTRPG novice so I still want to learn DnD for that reason, but if I can learn this and find others who are interested in playing with me I’m totally into trying it!
I've made atleast 50 extremely detailed PF2e characters with backstories and everything that I can't wait to play! I'm also completely down for any of them dying to a random Goblin... XD
I think this is a great video and has definitely given me some insight. I think I have a good idea about what I'll do when the Remaster comes out. Thanks, Nonat!
AD&D 2E had the most amount of options. Perhaps the attitude on character death is so different because of video games and their varied influence between the decades? People might be bringing their video game expectations to the game table. Maybe they can't deal with character death without a save or restart option? I ordered GM core today. Gonna check those changes out first. And Pathbuilder is supporting both 2E and Remastered. Legit.
I have recently decided to GM for the first time ever, we are planning on playing Abomination Vaults and i am looking forward to a lot of the changes from the Remaster even the death system MUHAHA
I'm not buying the books yet, but I'm getting the Remaster core book from my PF and SF gm as a thanks for playing with him. But I plan to buy the books physically some day
On the argument about Death, he says dying was fine when you got 6 back up character...the things is there are ton of people that have a lot more back up and it's not even about that. I have over 20 back up characters. I don't want any of them to die... The argument stem from the point of having stakes. If you know for a fact that the character of the story are virtually invulnerable or that they can't go down. Then there is no more thrill or suspense. Oh boy there is a army of Orcs coming at us. We could run and saves ourselves but what is the points, we're invincible. It feels to some players/Gm/DM as thought whatever happens its impossible for the players to go down and for many of us it removes all edges from the story. It trivialize all encounter and dangers. They are no longer risking their life, nothing they are doing is courageous or heroic, they are not overcoming terrible odds and challenges. Most of our greatest heroes are herald as such because of their sacrifice and courage when face with nearly insurmountable odds, yet they won't give up. They push past their limit and risk it all, and in the end if they are lucky they manage to survive maybe just barely. This is why there are so many people that doesn't enjoy stories about Superman. Because it feels as though there were never any real threat to his being. Then you could say well, Batman ain't better, but we all know one mistake would often be all that is required for him to die. Then ofcourse, there are some people that are even more on the extreme on both side, like the community that enjoy games like the Souls series and whatever who enjoys the weight of having no chances. No pulling punches, no space for errors. I can't relate to that on most occasion. To me, TTRPGs are about the Power fantasy, not sure if its what it's called but I would described my desire when playing TTRPG as; I want to be a force to be reckoned with, I want normal beings, everyday joes to fear or admire my character. I want to play as a character that could easily take down a group of ten trained warrior. I want to be dangerous. I want see that strength displayed over my enemies and feel as though I am that Guy, and then fight a Boss who is actually stronger and you know work with the team to surmount the odds. I like the difficulty to waver. Easy to Hard in a up and down way. I want to be able to destroy a dozen Goblins single-handedly and then face the large Orc with a Plate Armor who can Two-shots anyone.
Regarding the "Business Sense" of releasing all the rules for free. Story time. When I was looking to start TTRPGs, I had the choice between DnD and PF1. So naturally; chose the free option. I then found that I'd need some additional extras. Dice, Battlemaps, Minis. Which lead to me spending money in the FLG. And yes, some of that on Pathfinder products. I found that I loved the hobby, and bought the PF1 Critical Hit Deck. By that point, I was hooked, and bought the Starfinder core rulebook when it came out. Alongside some Adventure Path books. Naturally; I hopped on PF2 like white on rice. And bought some of those books too. Resulting in me spending a lot of money on Paizo, because it was offered for Free.
A player's character death is the player's responsibility (Risk vs Reward), not a Game Master, you are running the story and the opposition, if the player doesn't want their character to die, the player may need to think about consequences before taking actions and declaring intentions. Some players go willy nilly on purpose, trying to garner the attention at the table, throwing caution into the wind, knowing their DM won't hold them accountable (killing the character off). If players have spent the time building the character, they want to cultivate them to a late level hero, being wise is part of their survival, and will pay off in the long run. Death in any RPG is what keeps the good players balance, cause and effect, reward vs consequence, and that has been there for decades in TTRPG's. The risk is what keeps the heroic efforts, in fact heroic....
Reason 4, and it works for BOTH SIDES. We still don't know how to play the Kineticist, probably due the lack of videos "diving" into the mechanics of them.
I'll get it eventually if my players like playing pathfinder. If they don't I won't. When I do get it I'm getting the cheaper paperback version though as it will be getting well thumbed and I'm OK with the paperback degrading and not a more expensive hardback.
Ill most likely get them when all of the books are out. got a whole lot of books in the past year from pf, pf2, dnd5e, dnd4e, sword worls2.5, starfinder, and 2 different my litle pony rpgs to play.
The argument about death/dying has absolutely been going on since at least the 80s (I don't have personal experience before that). What has changed is that games from the 80s that are held up as brutal today like AD&D and Basic D&D were considered soft back; games like Rolemaster were all the rage in groups that wanted a high rate of death back then.
From all of the drama with Hasbro, I've made the decision to not purchase any more WoTC materials until/unless Hasbro really and TRULY change their business practices, or the IP is sold off to a smaller company that treats it with the respect it deserves, the fans with the respect we deserve, and their staff with the respect they deserve. That's a long way of saying, yes I'll be buying the remaster, and will be teaching friends how to play and supporting Paizo whenever possible. I still own and play 5e, but those are books with sunk costs so I have no issues using them. I just won't give them any more money and will instead help grow a company that is deserving of it. Plus pathfinder has a lot of fun customization capabilities that 5e lacks.
Characters are different from one another because I imagine them to be different. I don't need skills and numbers to make the difference. The difference comes from imagining what personality this character has. You can give me two characters with the same numbers and they will be different.
If Archives of Nethys doesn't keep original rules, we will likely switch. That's pretty much a game changer. Honestly, I would prefer to stick with original rules, because changing terms like Power Attack and Flat-footed will just be an extra nuisance.
My problem is that death is in conflict with mechanics. I wanna play build X so if my character dies ... do I just bring in a new clone? I wanna play X and not "you rolled a 0 zomfg ololol LMAO t ime to make a new char" Its really annoying and robs me of agency and fun
Who thinks that a remaster that they got literally forced into and that they went out of their way to make it compatible with previous content so that people didn’t feel forced to buy the books and then made all the rules available online for free is “money grubbing”? What?
7:09 You're wrong. Any and all OGL legacy content will not be full-on removed from Archives of Nethys. The plan was said to put all the legacy content in it's own section of the site, which you can access using Shelyn's Corner (the little palette and paintbrush icon on the top right of the website).
@Ezekieru , you beat me to saying that :3
That's awesome to hear! I pinned this comment so some folks can see it!
@@Nonat1s I really enjoy your content, but... Not looking up things like this is not acceptable. Next time you find yourself saying I don't know about something core to your video, ask yourself how long it would take to look it up. Either it was a bait for engagement or laziness, either way not justification to spread misinformation.
@@RexCogitans while you're not technically wrong about doing the research, do you really gotta take it that seriously? He's a dude on RUclips, it's a pretty easy mistake to make and made up for it by pinning the comment to make sure it's known. It would be amazing if people that act this way would put that energy into something that actually matters lol
@@RexCogitans Just got to this part, he did say "Correct me if I'm wrong in the comments" which is largely fine imo since it's acknowledging he doesn't know 100% and pinning this comment is probably good enough.
I would love if Paizo released a "change sheet" for the remaster listing out all the changes. Hell, they could charge $20 for it and I would buy immediately. And probably also buy the book just to show some support but a condensed changelog would be INCREDIBLE.
Also, commenting at the end of the video to boost retention rates so Nonat can buy his chicken nuggies.
Absolutely! A change table would be wonderful. I assume Paizo will not do it. But probably some fan will do it.
Patch notes😂
archives of Nethys have already announced how they are handling the. They have a site wide toggle, taht os set to remaster by default in the top corner, and on all entries with a difference between versions, the will be a temp toggle on the entry to switch between legacy and remaster without effecting your site wide setting.
My biggest reason for not buying the remaster at this time....I still can't convince my friends to switch away from D&D 5e....
Are you gming? If so you could just tell them you don’t want to run 5e and want to try PF2E
If you're going tell them you don't want to pirate shit anymore and that if they don't have the book physically in hand or on an official sim it can't be used. Then stealthily drop the fact that everything 2e is available free of charge and it has vastly more character options.
Me too buddy
Get some remastered friends …
Facts! Preach it to the Choir
00:12 · The Important Question
00:55 · 3 Reasons Why & Why Not
01:40 · OMG! So need the....
01:45 · G-Fuel code NoNat
02:25 · 🚫 #01
04:52 · 🚫 #02
06:03 · 🚫 #03
08:35 · #01: Incredible New Content
09:58 · #02: Greatly Improved Layout
11:55 · Sidebar: Death & Dying
15:21 · #03: Support Paizo
Skip to reasons to buy. I know how bad my money is.
But talk me why I should please
I'll be honest changing flatfooted to off-guard really helped it finally click in my brain what it does without extra thought
Me as a foreigner: why me surrounding the orc flattens his foot?
Great video. On the topic of death in TTRPGs, I'm a 43 year old man and I still remember the first time a character of mine died. It happened back in the early 90's. People get attached to characters but sometimes a character death makes that character stand out. A little over 3 decades later I still remember him over the many other PCs I've rolled.
Don't make death cheap and your character will live on even in death. :)
Rip: Sir Hamfist II
Nonat, *supporting Paizo* alone would be reason enough for me to buy the books!! The fact they stood up and said “hey, we’ll do something constructive and support everyone affected” in the wake of the OGL, and that they are so passionate about their gaming community (and it is a community- even with the (strongly) varying opinions) that they say “here, you don’t have the money, have access for free!!!” is reason enough for me to set aside money of my own to want to buy their books and products where I possibly can!!! Also, PF1e was my introduction to the gaming world so they always have a soft spot in my heart.
Just so you know, you’re not alone in your opinions 😊
Quick note on the Death mentality.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Chainmail, 1e and even AD&D were fundamentally War Games. At the end of the day it was essentially EXPECTED that you'd have to die and re-make characters multiple times through a campaign. Moving into 3e and beyond, the community focused shifted more towards that roleplaying aspect and people started getting a lot more invested in their characters.
Not saying old-school games couldn't have good roleplay, but there were just different expectations in earlier editions.
Yep. As someone who started back in those days. It was almost a revolution to put a name on a character. As I noted in another comment, this is a fully viable character description from those days: F3 15hp 15,12,11,8,13,7 chainmail, +1 longsword. That's close to what you'd actually find in the back of some adventures. That era began to pass in the early mid 80s. I think computer games had a lot to do with this, combined with novels like Dragonlance. After the Dragonlance novel was the very first time I personally saw players show up wanting a story, or having a backstory. Even outside of D&D. character depth was rare. Computer games began to and now even further have replaced the 'game challenge' aspect - leaving the story and 'role' part for tRPGs to perfect.
Back in the 80s playing AD&D I always had a backup character and my playing character had a will leaving everything to the back up character.
And now death is a fundamentally counterproductive mechanic. Part of it is the greater emphasis on roleplaying, part of it is because character creation is a much more involved process, part of it is because the way the game is balanced death really doesn't have any mechanical cost (leaving the main cost a matter of roleplay). The long and short of it is, the risk of death is far, far more trouble than it's worth, even if the dice say it's only a 1/10000 chance. And so long as the chance is non-zero, it has to be extremely low precisely to avoid ever having to deal with the hassle.
Like, death mechanics have changed a lot over the last 50 years of D&D/PF, but they've changed a lot slower than how people actually play.
And, notably, death is a solved problem in other systems. Fabula Ultima is a good example of one of the main ways modern games do death right. When you go down, you get a choice rather than messing with [Wounded] and [Dying]. Do you survive at some steep (and permanent!) but narratively appropriate cost? Or do you go out in a blaze of glory?
No yo-yo problem, no unwanted narrative derailments, no need to be overly concerned about TPKs, guaranteed tension without actual risk...
Death is death. It’s not a problem to routinely solve. Don’t want to die! Choose your fights, if you want to do hack and slash… go pick-up Hackmaster
Charging for pdfs is idiocy
I fully agree about the emotional attachment to the character. It takes me at least a week to build the character mechanically, and to develop the personality I am going to play as. Are they a cold-hearted fighter that only cares about coin? A generous rogue that gives most of their earnings (illicit or otherwise) to the local orphanage that they were raised in to help others? I think my prep times makes role-play of the character that much easier, but not everyone is the same. But I prefer my characters to be more memorable. If years after you and your friends finish a campaign and they are still talking about your character and what they did, that is good role-playing IMHO.
The old school vs new school blew my mind. I come from the good old days of 3.5. That's why I love pathfinder 1e the most but yeah I totally started with meat grinders or one shots over a huge invested game. That was like a light bulb
3.5 is pretty new-school compared to 2nd where I started, which in turn was compared to first.
I remember looking at an adventure for first edition that provided some "pre-built" characters in case there was a new player joining. They were literally just the Str, Dex, Con, Int, Wis, and Cha stats and a single letter to denote class. Everything else could be determined from that. So if you died, you could be back up-and-running after rolling 3d6, six times, in order and figuring out what class best suited those stats. 1st Ed, Elf and Dwarf were classes, and there wasn't even a separate race entry. XP didn't exist, and you leveled by how much gold you'd gathered over the adventure.
3.5 was an easy highly survivable game compared to the 'old old school'. "Back in my day" I bought the AD&D 1E books off the shelf at a Sears in the toy section where they were new products. But before that I began with AD&D Module S1 - which had a section in the book full of replacement characters. Back then you could get all the info needed for a character into a single line of text about the size of a sentence. Something like this: F3 15hp 15,12,11,8,13,7 chainmail, +1 longsword. So the book had something like 60+ of them on a single page and a win was if you could make it to end before running out that sheet. Something few groups could manage. But people just don't play like that anymore. Somewhere along the way our characters got names...
The first reason that came to mind was to support Paizo since the rules are going to be free regardless, but I didn't expect it to be an actual part of the video!
My reason for picking it up was a great launching off point to jump into PF2e. I'm one of the ship jumpers due to the OGL scandal. I've been wanting to support the game and this reset was just the perfect time for me.
I'm one of those people with the Rules Subscription and sitting here in Germany and CANT WAIT for the to finally send the books so I get access to the .pdf's! It's a lot Paizo support for me, I also like to have physical books on my shelves and in case my table will every get "real" (as opposed to virtual) again, I like to have the books around.
7:09 Pro tip for Archives of Nethys. The settings in the upper right (paintbrush and easel icon) allows you to switch between preferring Legacy vs Remaster content.
15:32 I am converting my DnD group over to PF2e and learning to DM. While learning the rules of PF2e I have began to learn a lot more about Paizo. Their stance with the creation of the ORC license + publishing the rules on Archives of Nethys + their transparency with the community. Speaks a lot about who they are as a company and I really feel like they truly care about the community/their customers. Which is a rarity in the modern world that we live in and most companies just see you as an target with the goal of getting you to pay micro-transactions until your credit card bounces.
Also, a 4th reason to buy the remaster. As time goes on, there will be small changes to the game. Even if it is just spelling corrections in the books or slight clarifications to rules. The remaster version is the current rule set and will get those updates. I'm not sure, but I would guess that most/any of those changes won't get pushed back into the OGL version.
Great idea for a video! I saw you announce it on the Roll for Combat stream :)
I actually was just getting into PF2E to an extend where I wanted to get the books like right when the remaster was announced so since I do not have any books I was planning on buying both Player Cores & the GM Core. I'm getting the pocket editions though because I don't have room for big books and I'll save some money that way so I need to wait.
I found funny when you said it's expensive. The average minimum wage in the US is 7,25 dollars, a minimum American needs to work 5 hours to buy a book, here in Brazil a minimum wage worker would have to work 4 DAYS to buy the same book.
All reasons I'm wrestling with. On the "not" side, it's expensive, and I can get a reference version online that's helpfully hyperlinked with all other existing content. Plus I'm making do on a janitor's paycheck, and there's so many competing hobbies for my thin discretionary spending.
On the "yes" side, I've heard a lot about the good layout, I don't have any previous books so I don't feel I'm "wasting" anything, and I'd like to support the company that makes it.
Thanks to some personal stuff I lost a friend group, so I'll have a bit of funds I'm not going to allocate towards holiday gifts, so we'll see.
I always really appreciate your (usually lol) much more objective look at content and all. Breaking things down and making reasonable digestible chunks out of them is incredibly helpful.
Glad to hear that the new books have a better layout. This will be my start to PH2. I don't think I am a good DM but I want to be the third backup DM (our second DM has another group and it might be too much). Also, we have a 3.5 DM and a 5e DM, so having a DM for PF2 sounds cool.
Your last reason to buy was the first thing I thought of when I saw the thumb nail.
*Tosses haters on their fires of Sacrifice*
I'd love to buy the books. I've been collecting the books up to Rage of Elements, both hard cover and pocket edition, but with four new books releasing each at around 80 dollars, that's just way too much for me to spend on collectors items right now. I'm not working my previous job which is what funded all the books in the first place. This might be the first time that I get the pdfs instead of the books.
I'm really grateful that Paizo lets us access the rules for free online, not to mention Foundry VTT gives all official content up front with a one time fee for the software itself. I do appreciate that it doesn't feel like I have to buy the books, and sometime when I feel it can be afforded, I'll likely purchase them piecemeal to continue expanding my collection. It feels like Paizo doesn't want payers, they want a community, and that means the world to me. I hope they never change.
Edit: Of course this isn't to say that we shouldn't support Paizo when we have the chance. They do need to keep the lights on after all.
Also kind of to build on what you were saying about the character death now this is just my personal experience When the GM is writing the story for the game, they also incorporate the characters back stories so constantly killing the characters means now new things, and old things have to be swapped around or removed and added so it is also taxing on the GM now of course this is more for someone running a homebrew campaign, but it is still something we should look at as well
Great video NoNat. I'm very excited about the Remaster - if for no other reason than I like to buy books, and support Paizo.
I'm a big fan of change, especially when it's refinement, or establishing a new identity with verbiage. There's a lot of people on the internet who are very vocal about disliking change, and to those people I'd just like to say, "you'll live." You can still play the old version. New modules that come out can be translated to legacy rules - just like how old modules I want to play will need to be translated to the remaster rules.
15:20 I wanted to say one thing on the mindsets of characters should die. I'm primarily a DM that does allow for my players to die and don't pull punches when they do.
The way I've learned to handle players death is by leaving it up the players to undo the death. Unless the world I'm running has a strict for story reasons players cannot be revived, I will have the group players earn/quest to bring a PC back. Granted i can do this because my group is close and they're willing to go through that for other players, but we do play (for the most part) high fantasy games where magic and resurrection exist.
What i am against is INTENTIONALLY killing players because that's what I'm supposed to do as a DM, because that I agree doesn't not add to the game or the story.
I only make this comment because I feel like there's some kind of taboo about characters dying and DMs tend to avoid making death be a part of the story. Though i know thats not everyone's style
The reason i dont like death in my games is because my character gets invested in the story. Killong them undoes that and forces me to start over except we are halfway through the campaign. It just kills interest as i lose all the story connection from before.
If I'm playing in a campaign that is trying to be lethal, I am not making characters I'm invested in or will feel upset about losing... But that just makes the whole thing less fun.
I'm gonna at least pick up the GM Core, probably eventually the Player's Core(or add it to my holiday list and see if anyone gets it for me :shrug: ) and the other two books when they come out at least in the soft cover (along with rage of elements since that's under the remastered and I absolutely adore the Kineticist).
Also, I don't have any of the books yet, still new to PF2e from really looking at/into it from when the OGL debacle(sp?) went down but currently in a pf1e game :3
I’m almost 30 and I only started playing ttrpg for the first this summer (one one-shot and two sessions on a DND campaign that I’m still on rn) and I haven’t played Pathfinder yet but I want to give it a chance as I don’t like being married to one system. Not just because of the mess that’s happening to DND rn, I mostly just want to explore other options.
I don’t feel ready to buy the new core books/pdfs yet as I want to play a session or two first and get a feel for the system before I make my decision.
My two cents on death mentality? I love the threat that death provides and how I like its presence motivating roleplay over tactical play in my games. If you're worried about your wizard dying you prepare different spells than if you're a glass canon with many fireballs.
I had a little flavour of players describing little scars their character gets up with after being knocked down with a significant enough hit. Lasting injuries in a dangerous setting can drive grounded roleplay.
If NPCs fear death, your players might too, depends what kind of a game you want to play
I did grab the PDFs because I love the game, even if the group I'm in is only two folks right now with an occasional and unreliable third available. Hopefully getting back the reliable player/gm we lost a year ago, but they had a valid reason for having to put a pause on their gaming so we've been supportive of that choice. Actually working on two different character ideas right now since we're going to try running a new game if our occasional 3rd gets a schedule worked out... Besides, character concepts can be tweaked as needed if and when a for sure game pops up.
Where I have most of the physical books already I think having the remaster in my possession will hopefully make it easier to transition into the rule set even though most it will be same just with a slight wording difference
Supporting paizo is the main reason I will buy the player core and the second one once it is out.
Idealy in french but probably in english as I don't know how long the translation will take to arrive.
For me, (death and dying), it all depends on what kind of game you're playing. Sword & Sorcery, Dark Fantasy, Standard Fantasy, Heroic Fantasy, etc. Sword & Sorcery and Dark fantasy, yeah, death may be permanent, or have severe consequences for "violating the natural order". There are times where my friends and I prefer playing Heroic Fantasy, where your characters are heroes, so if they're going to go out it needs to be epic, and make a great story. :)
The biggest reason I am not going to is I already have about a dozen different TTRPG systems. I think I have the core book for PF2E but not sure. I just have enough that I will buy it and it will be shelfed for a long time.
Great video (as always). You're pretty much the only Pathfinder RUclipsr my partner can stand to watch, which is great since I'm trying to get him into the game. (He also thinks your vampire teeth are really cool). My only slight criticism for this video is that a lot of the reasons for and against work on the assumption of the viewer already having the non-remaster books. Which is fair, I assume that's most of your audience. My partner was hoping for more reasons why a new player SHOULD get into the game (because me saying "it's awesome, now's the best time to get into it since you don't have to unlearn anything" isn't good enough for him...).
Let me answer your reasons, my friend:
Not:
1) I still remember D&D 3.5. I BOUGHT D&D 3.5. Do you think a slow deviation is stopping me from buying Pathfinder 2e Remaster?
2) Funnily enough, the cost in euros is lower - and I'm european. Plus, it's gonna be a christmas gift, so I'm not even the one who's gonna fork the moolah.
3) ...you don't have as many luddite players as I do, now do you? Two of them are gonna use PDFs and/or Nethys, tops.
Do:
1) You're preaching to the choir. I already had a little advance through Rage of Elements, and it piqued my interest.
2) Sadly, this is no reason for me - I am the proud owner of humongous monsters like The World of Synnibarr and the Fallout RPG, that are just as big as the original PF2e book, if not larger. Size is no problem.
3) This is a decent reason, but let me answer it with an even better reason: it makes WotC angry. And the quckers deserve every disappointment they get.
I'm a major book nerd and a DnD refugee, so if I'm going to get invested, the remaster will likely be my first book. We'll see if my current campaign lasts long enough to justify the expense.
Came here from a future video and your bookshelf looks much better now!
i am going to by the remaster... eventually. i just bought the core rule book at the start of the year and am slowly intergrading the new rules into it in my own world.
id have to disagree. Pathfinder 1e had the ability to make extremely unique characters. We had a game with 2 monks and we played very different. i was a monkey monk that specialized on mobility and the other one was focused around stunning strike.
I'm going to buy the book(s) for all of the reasons you mentioned, but perhaps mostly because I want to support Paizo
I just bought two physical bestiaries so I won't be buying the remaster anytime soon. But I likely will buy it after a while. The better formatting seems like it would be my favorite bonus.
Definitely in my plans to support Paizo with the remaster, but also through their Lost Omens books and adventure paths. I'm really happy that the remaster brings a lot of cool stuff, but I don't feel like I am in a hurry to buy it since there's still a lot to come with the future player core books. In the meantime I've just received the first book of Seasons of Ghosts and I can't wait for the others.
Point 3 for purchasing is point 1 for me, we as a community have an opportunity to support the people that are pushing for the community. Is Paizo perfect nope, but neither am I, they are making moves that I believe are for the benefit of the TTRPG hobby as a whole and that alone is enough to earn my money.
The death vs. play story thing... it's because in AD&D the character was not supposed to be an avatar of the player. It was like a playing piece in miniature wargaming or in chess... or in Trouble 🙃 In fact we usually rolled up new characters when playing a new adventure module, it only took 15-30 minutes to create a new party. To be honest the notion that a PC ought to be a mirror image of the player sounds more like a neurotic quirk in that particular player than a feature of the game.
15:40 reasons like this remind me of a somewhat fun saying:
How do you make a small fortune with Pen&Paper? You start with a large fortune.
It'll likely take some time for me to buy the remastered rules... alone having them as pdf available (shipping the rules over to Germany would be to expensive) would help a lot once groups start actually shifting to the available remastered content. Discussions already happen... mostly around that 1 rule but they happen.
A lot of other TTRPG's have new editions that have this level of changes.
That was really informative, thank you! Sadly, I think I'll still opt for old rulebook, mainly because I don't know when, or rather if, new Cores would be translated and officially sold in my place.
I own core book and the gamemastery guide on demiplane so they had a "promotion" to get the player and gm core for free and because it syncs back to paizo I think I'll get the PDFs as well.
I'll buy physical and digital because I love their products, and the family time my household gets from them.
It's not that we LIKE to avoid spending money.
It's that, we have no other choice.
FACTS
I will either buy the book next year when I have some extra cash, or if they do a Humble Bundle where you can get the book and a bunch of other PDFs (which is how I started my collection) I'll get it then.
If Paizo brings out the books in japanese I will def buy ALL OF THEM just to browse them. 400 pages of technical language for 60 bucks is a bargin actually.
I went ahead & got the PF 2e remaster, because I don't have the PF 2e books.
I got the sketch cover versions of the GM Core & Player Core.
Yes, it was expensive, especially here in Australia, I simply chose to support Paizo for their work on ORC to compete with/replace the OGL.
It's also going to be my first ever foray into the Pathfinder Universe/Multiverse, & I really like what I've seen in terms of them outlining what you can & cannot do.
As for your Sidebar 11:54
The way I see it, the new death rules actually, allows for a much more realistic viewpoint in terms of... "Would I do this if it was actually me?".
Yes, it's a fantasy game, we all know the main reason as to why we want a story, is so that we can LIVE in it.
By making death a lot more viable, we now have to consider our character's actions more delicately.
5e has very much a similar issue where death isn't really 'scary', 2e Remaster, oh boy! BRING! IT! ON!!!
Regarding death:
I hate player death. But I think combat is exciting because it exists. Losing a character you spent hours on sucks, but it’s a lot of fun to survive by a hairs breadth because the DM fudged a roll or teo or three to your benefit and you spent a hero point to apply the rule of cool. And it’s only fun to survive like that because, if you didn’t think on your feet and convince the DM to let it slide once again, your character would actually die.
I love theorycrafting new characters, and there are a lot I have yet to play. But because of the effort sunk into each one, their backstories, be they badass or goofy, and their role in the party, from the healer to the powerhouse, I would much rather see them fade into the background of the world by leaving the party and goin on their own way, rather than dying and being lost forever.
For the moment I'm sticking with the old rulebook for my group, although for different reasons. With my group, two of my player's classes aren't in the Player Core, barbarian and swashbuckler. So I don't want to transition my game until I have remasters for everyone at the same time. I know they completely redid the witch, but it still really surprised me they took barbarian out of the player core. As to the price, I think it is ridiculous how much books are today. Pathfinder and D&D alike. I know inflation is insane right now, but it's hard to see going from a $70 core rulebook, to $120 for the same info split into two books. I'm going to pick up the remaster as I like what Paizo is doing and want to support, just remember 1st edition AD&D player's handbook for $12 and when 3.5 came out they were only $20 for each core book. Not that much of an increase considering there was 26 years between when 1st edition came out and the release of 3.5. Compare that to 16 years between the release of 3.5 and pathfinder 2e (before remaster). Then 4 years between pf2e and pf2e remaster.
I’ll get it. Much like my current core rule book it’ll be the smaller paper back version that Paizo does. Everyone seems to forget that paizo has those versions of their books. That are half the price of the hardbacks.
Went to the comment section right away to read, because old content being removed from Nethys just sounds plain wrong with how it operates. 1st Edition still exists on Nethys, and in this game you can find both the legacy and Unchained classes, so removing Legacy 2E would be a huge precedent on multiple account.
Tangentially, I suspect the Remaster is not called Unchained just so the name remains available in 5-10 more years if they need a "second Remaster". Because so far, that's exactly what the Remaster looks like: a 2E version of Unchained rules. (Which is a positive, BTW!)
I'm probably going to buy the PDFs, but I think I'll wait until all four remaster books are out to decide if I want them physically... and/or wait until they are available in pocket edition, I haven't decided that part yet.
I will be getting the Player and GM cores. I'm relatively new to 2E and I like physical books, just held off getting the core for the remaster. I am disappointed that due to the rush to get the new ORC/non-OGL books out there's a lot of sloppiness in rules and legacies of the old core book (example: under Skill Checks and DCs in the player core it refers to Chapter 10: Game Mastering). I feel like they should have released the PDFs a couple months before printing so the player base could catch all the mistakes and rules issues so that they could be fixed for the less easily updated physical version.
I recently got the PF2 core book and APG. Even so, I may get the Remastered books somewhere down the line.
I am looking forward to picking up the remaster. I am hoping to get my group into Pathfinder, and even if they are not responsive, then at least I have a resource for my other games.
I’ve had interest in Pathfinder and finding out about this remaster piques my interest. Both because I like the ideas introduced in Pathfinder and that Paizo is so much better morally than WoTC. I’ve been watching more
and more videos about it and I’m really into a lot of how the game works in comparison to DnD. I’m more of a TTRPG novice so I still want to learn DnD for that reason, but if I can learn this and find others who are interested in playing with me I’m totally into trying it!
Nonat1, I think you hit the nail on the head on why death matters so much in modern games.
I've made atleast 50 extremely detailed PF2e characters with backstories and everything that I can't wait to play!
I'm also completely down for any of them dying to a random Goblin... XD
I think this is a great video and has definitely given me some insight. I think I have a good idea about what I'll do when the Remaster comes out. Thanks, Nonat!
The only reason i didnt get the physical copy was the $40 shipping to Australia.
Ill get it one day, but for now im happy with my PDF copy.
Too late already have it 🎉
AD&D 2E had the most amount of options.
Perhaps the attitude on character death is so different because of video games and their varied influence between the decades? People might be bringing their video game expectations to the game table. Maybe they can't deal with character death without a save or restart option?
I ordered GM core today. Gonna check those changes out first.
And Pathbuilder is supporting both 2E and Remastered. Legit.
If you want 6 backup characters, Dungeon Crawl Classics both exists, and does that old school D&D feel quite well.
I have recently decided to GM for the first time ever, we are planning on playing Abomination Vaults and i am looking forward to a lot of the changes from the Remaster even the death system MUHAHA
Only reason id buy it to just support Paizo..i love them from the first time i played PF1e.
I'm buying to support the team and the move away from WotC. All the reason I need.
I'm not buying the books yet, but I'm getting the Remaster core book from my PF and SF gm as a thanks for playing with him. But I plan to buy the books physically some day
I love that Mario 64 song. So calming and nostalgic.
On the argument about Death, he says dying was fine when you got 6 back up character...the things is there are ton of people that have a lot more back up and it's not even about that. I have over 20 back up characters. I don't want any of them to die...
The argument stem from the point of having stakes. If you know for a fact that the character of the story are virtually invulnerable or that they can't go down. Then there is no more thrill or suspense. Oh boy there is a army of Orcs coming at us. We could run and saves ourselves but what is the points, we're invincible. It feels to some players/Gm/DM as thought whatever happens its impossible for the players to go down and for many of us it removes all edges from the story. It trivialize all encounter and dangers. They are no longer risking their life, nothing they are doing is courageous or heroic, they are not overcoming terrible odds and challenges. Most of our greatest heroes are herald as such because of their sacrifice and courage when face with nearly insurmountable odds, yet they won't give up. They push past their limit and risk it all, and in the end if they are lucky they manage to survive maybe just barely. This is why there are so many people that doesn't enjoy stories about Superman. Because it feels as though there were never any real threat to his being. Then you could say well, Batman ain't better, but we all know one mistake would often be all that is required for him to die.
Then ofcourse, there are some people that are even more on the extreme on both side, like the community that enjoy games like the Souls series and whatever who enjoys the weight of having no chances. No pulling punches, no space for errors. I can't relate to that on most occasion. To me, TTRPGs are about the Power fantasy, not sure if its what it's called but I would described my desire when playing TTRPG as; I want to be a force to be reckoned with, I want normal beings, everyday joes to fear or admire my character. I want to play as a character that could easily take down a group of ten trained warrior. I want to be dangerous. I want see that strength displayed over my enemies and feel as though I am that Guy, and then fight a Boss who is actually stronger and you know work with the team to surmount the odds. I like the difficulty to waver. Easy to Hard in a up and down way. I want to be able to destroy a dozen Goblins single-handedly and then face the large Orc with a Plate Armor who can Two-shots anyone.
Regarding the "Business Sense" of releasing all the rules for free.
Story time.
When I was looking to start TTRPGs, I had the choice between DnD and PF1. So naturally; chose the free option.
I then found that I'd need some additional extras. Dice, Battlemaps, Minis. Which lead to me spending money in the FLG. And yes, some of that on Pathfinder products.
I found that I loved the hobby, and bought the PF1 Critical Hit Deck.
By that point, I was hooked, and bought the Starfinder core rulebook when it came out. Alongside some Adventure Path books.
Naturally; I hopped on PF2 like white on rice. And bought some of those books too.
Resulting in me spending a lot of money on Paizo, because it was offered for Free.
A player's character death is the player's responsibility (Risk vs Reward), not a Game Master, you are running the story and the opposition, if the player doesn't want their character to die, the player may need to think about consequences before taking actions and declaring intentions. Some players go willy nilly on purpose, trying to garner the attention at the table, throwing caution into the wind, knowing their DM won't hold them accountable (killing the character off). If players have spent the time building the character, they want to cultivate them to a late level hero, being wise is part of their survival, and will pay off in the long run. Death in any RPG is what keeps the good players balance, cause and effect, reward vs consequence, and that has been there for decades in TTRPG's. The risk is what keeps the heroic efforts, in fact heroic....
15:31 This #3 reason is actually my #1 reason to buy those books.
Reason 4, and it works for BOTH SIDES. We still don't know how to play the Kineticist, probably due the lack of videos "diving" into the mechanics of them.
I allways love some pathfinder info with Mario 64 vietwater flashbacks
I bought just Player Core for IRL games, but I'm going to use GM Core for preps
I'll get it eventually if my players like playing pathfinder. If they don't I won't.
When I do get it I'm getting the cheaper paperback version though as it will be getting well thumbed and I'm OK with the paperback degrading and not a more expensive hardback.
Just wish the Ranger got a free action to Hunt Prey when it’s the one that takes out its current Hunted Prey.
Ill most likely get them when all of the books are out.
got a whole lot of books in the past year from pf, pf2, dnd5e, dnd4e, sword worls2.5, starfinder, and 2 different my litle pony rpgs to play.
I love the content but mainly commenting to engage the algorithm. You guys rock.
The argument about death/dying has absolutely been going on since at least the 80s (I don't have personal experience before that). What has changed is that games from the 80s that are held up as brutal today like AD&D and Basic D&D were considered soft back; games like Rolemaster were all the rage in groups that wanted a high rate of death back then.
That last reason is why I have a Paizo subscription but I'm lucky enough to be able to afford that.
From all of the drama with Hasbro, I've made the decision to not purchase any more WoTC materials until/unless Hasbro really and TRULY change their business practices, or the IP is sold off to a smaller company that treats it with the respect it deserves, the fans with the respect we deserve, and their staff with the respect they deserve. That's a long way of saying, yes I'll be buying the remaster, and will be teaching friends how to play and supporting Paizo whenever possible. I still own and play 5e, but those are books with sunk costs so I have no issues using them. I just won't give them any more money and will instead help grow a company that is deserving of it. Plus pathfinder has a lot of fun customization capabilities that 5e lacks.
Characters are different from one another because I imagine them to be different. I don't need skills and numbers to make the difference. The difference comes from imagining what personality this character has. You can give me two characters with the same numbers and they will be different.
If Archives of Nethys doesn't keep original rules, we will likely switch. That's pretty much a game changer.
Honestly, I would prefer to stick with original rules, because changing terms like Power Attack and Flat-footed will just be an extra nuisance.
Very good video that I will be showing to my current players.
it's one of my present i wish to have, with dlcs of 2 games ( tlord of nothing of pathfinder wrath of the rightouse and and all the dlc of rimworld)
2:15 Ima wearin you down baby! Ima wearin you down!
My problem is that death is in conflict with mechanics. I wanna play build X so if my character dies ... do I just bring in a new clone? I wanna play X and not "you rolled a 0 zomfg ololol LMAO t ime to make a new char"
Its really annoying and robs me of agency and fun
Of course it's right when I pick up the Core Rulebook to get into P2E that all the Remaster content is starting to come out
Who thinks that a remaster that they got literally forced into and that they went out of their way to make it compatible with previous content so that people didn’t feel forced to buy the books and then made all the rules available online for free is “money grubbing”? What?
I should buy because I don't own any Pathfinder 2e books. End of Story. Now to watch and enjoy this video
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