Problems with the "Joseph Smith Translation" of the Bible: John 1
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- The Joseph Smith Translation is seen by many Latter-day Saints to be the most correct version of the Bible that exists. Joseph Smith’s “translation” of the Bible, also called the JST, is said to have restored many corrupted sections of Scripture that were compromised during the Great Apostasy.
The LDS Church teaches that the Bible and the Book of Mormon are two separate testimonies that teach us doctrinal truths, but that the historic Biblical text has been corrupted. When Joseph Smith's Translation differs from traditional versions of the Bible, many Mormons believe that the JST is what the Bible would say had it not been corrupted. But is this true?
While the founding LDS prophet's version of the Bible includes numerous changes, alterations, and additions to the Biblical text, these additions cannot be found in any existing manuscript. Additionally, there are incredibly problematic internal inconsistencies that show us that the JST cannot be trusted.
In this video - we explain why the Joseph Smith Translation should NOT be trusted. Joseph did not need to update the text, as it had not been corrupted. The changes that Smith did make to the Bible were unjustified, inconsistent, and not supported by any manuscript tradition or work in textual criticism.
This video looks at John 1 and compares the JST to modern translations:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.” (John 1:1 ESV)
“In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God. The same was in the beginning with God.” (John 1:1 JST)
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Great job. Ex-Mormon here. Fabulous! Would you consider doing one showing that Joseph condemned himself by making changes to the book of Revelation in the JST? He shouldn't have changed anything, but according to Revelation 22:18-19, he certainly should have avoided that book. He crossed off and added hundreds of words in the book of Revelation. I also think it's important to note that he wasn't even translating. He had no Greek manuscripts. He just had a King James Bible and a pen. As a Mormon, I didn't understand how other translations such as the ASV, NIV, NLT came into to being. I thought they were the ones taking a pen to the Bible, but come to find out that they were actually translating, and it was Joseph who took a pen to the Bible and just started crossing off willy nilly. Just one of the many things I was lied to about.
Glad it was helpful for you! That's a great idea - I'll add it to our list of future videos to make!
Agreed! If Joseph was demonstrably wrong about the Book of Abraham text, it begs the question as to why Mormons would assume he was right about the changes to the biblical text
I completly agree with you, I share the same feelings
So many of us were lied to and deceive, so happy you are free!!
I commend you and your ministry in your attempt to reach these good people. I too was in the grips of this religion. I thank the father for putting it on my heart to lead me into truth no matter where it took me. I pray that other LDS members have the courage to open their hearts and minds to the truth, no matter where it leads. Cognitive dissonance is real, indoctrination is real, their methods are intentional and difficult to overcome. They have to a sincere desire. Peace and love to all my LDS family.
God has put that same desire to seek the truth in my heart as well! What things did God lead you to that opened your eyes to the truth? Anything specific that changed your mind? I’m trying to witness to an LDS friend and it’s very difficult. It’s had me questioning my own beliefs sometimes. Any insight is helpful!
@@cray.beccaj pray that the Holy Spirit will convict your friend's heart
It should really be called the Joseph Smith Interpretation because he knew neither Hebrew nor Greek. He likely had no idea about the amount of work that scholars put into actual translation of the original texts of scripture.
I STILL can’t believe Joseph wrote himself in the Old Testament in Genesis 😩!
AND the fact that the BOOK OF MORMON alwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaays speaks well of anyone named JOSEPH.
Amen and God bless
The changes made in the scripture found in the JST are nothing short of blasphemy. I pray that the ministry of these videos lead people out of the LDS church and into salvation.
Sadly, "LDS"/Mormons will DEFEND Smith's lies and errors.
The LdS apologetic narrative is changing on this point. Surprising, right?! 😂
The JST is being downplayed as "inspired", but not a literal translation. All of their scriptures are being downplayed in this way.
After reading it for years I still find it boring and largely grammatical, and yet dangerous. Hopefully you'll discuss Smith's injecting himself into the Bible, as a self-fulfilling "revelation".
Wonderful video---
The Bible stands in the way of the LDS Church. This is why it has to be rewritten. In that respect Mormonism is in fact another version of Gnosticism. Those who go along with this endanger their souls.
That's good! Just started examining the JST and this video was very clear on the inconsistency with this part of the JST. Great work
A study was released from BYU professor Thomas Waymant and student Haley Wilson shows Joseph Smith plagiarized the Adam Clarke Commentary on the Bible: jur.byu.edu/?p=21296 Pretty fascinating to take some of the instances that the article calls out and then do the exact work yourself with the bible and the Adam Clarke Commentary.
The Adam Clarke Commentary is how Smith made his one and ONLY improvement to the KJV- in 2 Chr. 22:2.
There are MANY verses that show that Joseph Smith's "god" did NOT know Hebrew.
Wolves in sheeps clothing.
Grateful for this channel!❤🙏
Also, the JST corrects the BOM since the BOM and the Bible read identical in places where the JST corrects both. How could that be possible if the BOM was supposed to have escaped the corruption of the great abominable church that corrupted the Bible?
There are many inconsistencies and confusing things said in the bible which the JST does a remarkable job of resolving.
Thank you for the truth from God's Holy Word, the Bible. It is obvious that Joseph Smith was a false prophet & his writings have led millions of people into a false path. We can only trust the Holy Bible. Isaiah 8:20 says-- "To the law & to the testimony if they speak not according to THIS WORD, there is NO LIGHT in them. That means zero light. We cannot follow false teachings.
Praise God you are trying to help these precious people.
❤The best way to learn the truth is through serious study and sincere prayer. Moroni 10 :4-5 tells us how we can know the truth of all things by the power of the Holy Ghost. 😊
You should make note that the JST is known in Community of Christ, formerly known as the RLDS church, by the title “inspired version” of the Bible
This was so helpful! I am having a discussion with one mormon about this topic. Thank you for explaining it so well.
Born and raised in that cult. Oh how happy I am to have removed myself and allowed Jesus to enter my live!
With all due respect, no one outside the LDS takes Joseph Smith seriously, not his „translations“ or any other of his other sciptures. He is an american phenomenom.
The Joseph Smith translation is not a translation it's a version he didn't translate it from Hebrew cuz he doesn't know Hebrew and most of the jsv was plagiarized from the Adam Clark commentary
It would be closer to a paraphrase much like "The Living Bible". BTW the New Testament would be Greek and Aramaic for the original languages. Both were universal languages at the time.
So Joe had access to original masoretic Hebraic manuscripts? And original Greek texts as well?? Because that is the definition of translation, to take a manuscript written in one language, and by means of scholarly linguistic education translate it into another language. Not take a KJV of the Bible and change it into what you want it to say to suit your purposes, which is exactly what Joe did. Just another of his blatant blasphemies
There are no two identical copies of any letters in the New Testament. there are more changes than words. Best study up.
That is a prime example of the horrible audacity of Smith and of the doctrinal confusion concerning God that he drew his followers into. I have heard similar kinds of false teaching in the "Word of Faith" movement, in which the Logos is made impersonal, being said to be the power of words which the practitioners of that cult can wield for their own ends.
Great video could you make videos about Jws teachings ?
We've talked about it.... Perhaps someday! For the immediate future, we're going to focus on Mormonism!
Joseph Smith biblical translation is not used in any LDS Church settings of which I'm aware of. Your wasting your time being critical of it. I'm a lifelong member and I've never read it or even seen a copy.
What you just read however, is an accurate reflection of some LDS doctrines and beliefs. The fact that you don't agree with them, or that they happen to be contrary to your biblical interpretation, goes without saying.
Despite the corruption of the LDS Church, Joseph Smith was a true prophet and this translation IS accurate in accordance to biblical theology:
What mainstream Christianity fails to recognize is Christ and the Gospel of repentance was preached from the beginning in the times of Adam: See Galatians 3, Hebrews 2:3 (consider Malachi 2:5-6), etc.
Thus it is the truth that this is a more accurate translation from what was corrupted out of our Holy Bibles that God’s sovereign hand still rests on.
I think we would probably agree that God is perfect. Something I have learned is that, in His goodness, He provided His people with a way to test a prophet in Deuteronomy 13:1-4, and Deuteronomy 18:21-22.
Basically, if a person claiming to be a prophet tries to get people to follow after a different God, or if the prophet speaks in the name of the Lord and the thing does not come to pass… that’s a false prophet.
When you look at his teachings and prophecies…Joseph Smith fails the test.
Since the Dead Sea Scrolls have proven that the O.T. we read from today is basically the same as Jesus read from 2000 years ago (Isaiah 53 had only 17 letters in question, ten of those spelling, 3 more were conjunctions), and we have 5,838 Greek manuscripts, and 25,000 more in Latin Syriac, and Coptic, to compare and study (again, with no differences in translation that changed the meaning of scripture), and over 1 million quotes from church fathers we can use to cross-check the accuracy of the N.T., when did the corruption of the Christian Bible actually occur?
Compare this to the Book of Mormon edited and corrected 4,000+ times since 1830.
Or is it possible to interpret the scripture as saying that the Word is the Gospel and the Gospel is Jesus? In other words, the Gospel (good news) is Jesus?
Hi!
Looking at the JST here - "In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God." (John 1:1 JST)
The Gospel was PREACHED through the Son (that indicates a distinction), and he also says the word was WITH the Son (indicates a distinction). Doesn't seem like the most natural interpretation is to understand it to teach that Word = Jesus = Gospel...
Hope that helps!
“Joseph smith was wrong because we said so.”
Joey was wrong because he made everything fit his perverted theology. Rev. Alex Campbell wrote of it around 1830.
Can't "trust" it 'cause it doesn't say what you want it to say?
The trinity isn’t biblical. It’s showing polytheism as monotheism
The Greek original text says. And the word was with God and the word was divine. So not that the word was god
Never in the Christian Bible does God tell His prophets to alter or revise Scripture, but only to copy. We are warned not to add or take away from the Bible. (Deuteronomy 17:18) (Proverbs 30: 5,6) Revelations 22: 18,19).
It gets better. The ancient scribes were not allowed to exclude even a single letter in a text. Each letter was counted by proof checkers to make sure nothing got by in oversight.
This is a really great short presentation. I do not know the rules for linking on this site, but a fantastic article on Bible corruption can also be found by googling "Bible Corrupted? The Cross Unveiled" on the internet. This particular article goes into longer details proving the Bible has not been corrupted down through the centuries.
@@bradlong7941 A very good utube video on the accuracy of the New Testament is titled, "Is what we have now what they wrote then?", by Dr Daniel Wallace. Dr Wallace is the foremost christian expert on N. T. textual criticism. He is the scholar that digitized and compared the 5,838 Greek manuscripts (all the known at the time). He puts to rest and nails the coffin shut on textual critics who claim the Bible cannot be trusted. He does it in a manner that a child can understand. Every christian should see this video. He does make the statement that every word in the N. T. is not the word of God, since one sentence in Greek can often be written in many forms and different words, But, most important is his final conclusion, which he proves, that, "no essential christian beliefs have changed" down through the centuries. God bless!!!
hahaha do you know how many different translations there are for the New Testament? To bad mouth Joseph Smith's is plain ignorance. Best study up guy.
I believe that a Bible to be word of God as far as translated correctly ,because many scholars translated the Bible,
Hey Jason!
We made a video on translations here: ruclips.net/video/WthkXKTboPk/видео.html
And about the transmission of the Biblical text down through history here: ruclips.net/video/uuCC_57PWUo/видео.html
The Bible has been reliably preserved and translated, which means it is completely trustworthy in its modern form!
Hope that helps!
I was raised Mormon and was taught to believe the same thing - “we believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly...”. - and yet the opposite: I was raised to believe that the JST version was the correctly translated version. BUT the huge problem was that the LDS church has taught that the JST is the correct version AND YET Mormons 99% of the time use/study from/read the KJV. This would bother me so badly as a Mormon. If we knew that the JST was correct, why wouldn’t we use it for everyday purposes rather than as a once-in-a-while-side note?! If my family ever brought up the JST, most of the time we were looked at like we were looney, or told that “no one else cares about that but you”. Being in the Mormon church had so many contradictions - in doctrine, in practice, in scriptures, in application, etc. That is one of the biggest reasons I left. I currently am deciding what exactly I believe about the Bible and religion, etc. as I have so many questions and am trying to study and know for myself rather than just base things off of what other people say because they are “an authority” in a church or something. Just as a side-question of curiosity for me to think about in my studies - what would you say it means when the Bible is translated correctly? Would that be word for word? Thought for thought? I’d love to hear your thoughts on that subject. Thanks!
@@chameleonsandcaramel5979 Thank you so much for explaining this, I had no idea and that contradiction is pretty big!
@@chameleonsandcaramel5979 it's not a contradiction, before Joseph Smith died, he was going to print the final translation of the bible, however he was murdered before that. His beloved wife Emma refused to give the original manuscript and the bible that Joseph Smith used during that process. She ended up giving it to her son Joseph Smith III and a copy right was placed on it as the property of the RLDS church. One of the Smiths family close friends borrowed the original manuscript and copied some down, had he known that his copy was the only one the church would get, he may of put more effort into copying as much down as he could. his copy was only 1/3 of the JST. 1300 verses in old testament & 2100 verses in New testament, the church only has 1000+ verses. The church asked them for permission to use the 1/3 copy they received which they were granted. The JST bible was published in 1867 by RLDS church. There is some worry that much of the printed JST was altered again, hence why the church was after the original manuscript of JST. I've read just the first chapters of Genesis and it has brought great joy to me. It has become the most desired valuable treasure above everything in this world. How precious this gift is for me, especially my people who are descendants of the Lamanites who were scattered amongst the isles of the sea. There's an old picture of one our people's Va'a/boat and their was animal symbols on it, a deer 🦌, a bull 🐂, a what looked like unicorn or wild bull & another animal. The symbol of the tribe of Ephraim is a bull, Manasseh is a unicorn or wild bull, Naphtali is a deer. It was prophesied in the book of Mormon that the gentiles will bring the gospel to us remnant seed of Nephi's brothers Laman and Lemuel. So the question is, who was it that brought the gospel to our islands ? It was ? the GENTILES....
@@alamai7799 Of course it would be the Gentles who would bring the Gospel to ANY part of the world...logically, would JEWS (who REJECT the Gospel) bring the GOSPEL anywhere but to a trash can? In reality, Gentiles/Christians have brought the Gospel ALL over the world, including to your islands. So, that "prophecy" in the book of Mormon is not a prophecy but rather a statement of logic based on the Christian churches' practices/obedience to Christ's "great Commission", specifically, to do as Christ commanded..."Take the Gospel into ALL the world..." (Mark 16:15)