istj here, yeah, that sums it all up. I'm always in reflective mode, trying to think about the future but it's like I'm blind to possibilities, all I can think about is losing what I have now. Jeez, it's like I'm trapped in my own thinking.
I love the part where: "ISTJ's do not go through the door that they want, out of fear/hesitation. No, they board up the doors that they DON'T want. So eventually they HAVE to go through the door that they want." Somehow, this kind of makes sense to me; I have an ISTJ parent.
"This is what I believe is right and I will live by it but I don't have to show off externally that I live by it." That hit a nail. The description really sums up me and my mother. As a Te dominant she has always been out there accomplishing things at an inhuman pace, where it has always been a suicide attempt for me to try to keep up with her, She does not stop.Great work and research.
16:45 my dad (ENTJ) wrote two novels once he hit 50- he didn’t seem to even care about self-expression until I was in college. Interesting observation!
So far this is the most accurate description of the istj, that matches my personality to the T. It has made me think about my future. But I'm not will to change that much, at the moment.
I knew/know ISTJ & ESTJ, I confirm all the points, great job as always. If I add myself INTJ and my past relationship ENTJ, we have the 4 corners « pushy/agressiv » TJ of the table. I understand now why theses types are on the corners, with their high strong Te. It’s hurt to know I can be like this, without realizing it. When we know them a little more, we can discover their soft and kind Fi.
Very informative and well presented. It would be great to see a comparison betwen ESTP and ISTP. and maybe a remake of the INFJ/ENFJ video that was made long ago.
15:30 it is baffling to me to hear you are constantly thinking about goals and plans in the longrun, while I (ISFP) don’t even like making plans for next week. Great video by the way. It is always interesting to learn more about the differences between all the types.
as an Ni dom i can very much confirm that. it can be very annoying sometimes, finding yourself constantly trying to figure out whats comming next and then you realise how mutch stuff we miss that is happening in the moment
INTJ vs ISTJ next? Also, how would varriation play a part in this also? I'm refering to subtypes here. In Harry system I'm a convergent subtype which has strengthened introverted functions. So how would a convergent ISTJ diverge from a convergent INTJ? You also seem to be a divergent subtype. Convergent subtypes in the case of IJs have strengthened both Si and Ni while divergent subtypes would have strengthened Te and not Fe because it's the PoLR. I seem to be in the middle. I can both eliminate possibilities but I can also use them to my advantage and adapt myself. So I'm really confused now. However the process of elimination is tedious. Most of the time I take a thing as being a fact that is occuring and I'm just going on from there. So how would preparing in advance work vs Improvization basically? Because the latter it's what I'm actually doing. I get small doses of insights in regards to a system that I'm constructing and the way of actually being able to do that is to actually just start and they came. Sometimes they came even when I'm not doing anything or most of the time that is. So let's say how would a balanced ISTJ be different from a balanced INTJ who would both have good access to both Ni and Si? Also, I don't know if an ISTJ with Si dom would be able to eliminate possibilities in the first place. There's a difference between possibilities and probabilities. Probabilities I can't eliminate because they are really random but possibilities I can. Also in socionics the ISTJ has vortical synergetic thinking which actually is concerned with probabilities. While the INTJ has dialectical alghoritmic thinking which eliminates. So I don't see how that would be the case here. Most of the time I just need to reflect upon things and eliminating always it's kind of against my person. Like I would rather prefer to just let things run as they are than to eliminate. I would rather just adapt. A better distinction thus I think that one eliminates possibilities and the other eliminates probabilities. Now it would make sense. In your whole video about Si and Ni you were trying to eliminate things and to present the opposites. So how is that not elimination? But the focus I think that is what it is important. Here is an individual who I see that uses vortical synergetic probabilities thinking. Another thing to note is the fact that I have seen the difference between Si and Ni as one compressing things and the other decompressing. Now if both are balanced what I'm thinking is that you are able to get large amounts of information but also to decompress it and understand it throughly. So a convergent INTJ subtype in Harry system would be able to form a model inside his own head because he gathers information and then he's also able to decompress them to find patterns and a trajectory that they all follow. Which is what I'm doing and all the convergent examples I brought do the same. They all have an internal model of how things operate because of strengthened access to Ni and Si. But they project that differently. Also ISTJs have Ne inferior in relation to Fe PoLR which has nothing to do with the future but with the social dynamic. The individual in the video is reminiscent of another individual who I knew that had this kind of social paranoia where he would think that I'm doing things behind his back. When I stated clearly that I don't. He wouldn't trust anything at all. And then we ended up not talking with each other because of his paranoia. That seems to be more reminiscent of Ne inferior than Ne nemesis which seems to be under control for the most part. While the inferior function seems to not be able to be controlled because it's in the unconscious. So he couldn't control his Ne inferior it's what I'm guessing. Just like INTJs can't control their Se it just cames in the form of insight whenever it wants to and locks upon aspects that it wants to. Link: ruclips.net/video/ZeecOKBus3Q/видео.html And for comparison there is an INTP if you think that the one before is like that. Now I do think that the previous example is an example of a convergent subtype as well of an ISTJ and maybe Ben is too an example of an INTP convergent subtype. Link: ruclips.net/video/L5gRG-pwMaA/видео.html And finally, here is an example of a more convergent INTJ, Dario Nardi. ruclips.net/video/bHJDESShlyo/видео.html And additionally, here is a video of an ISTj or Ti domminant MBTY ISTP equivalent Jordan Peterson a convergent subtype as well: ruclips.net/video/sLLyWBySGwg/видео.html So the modes of thinking you can see that are the following: ISTJ-probabilities thinking=>Vortical Synergetic thinking INTP-ideal isolated state=>Holographic Panoramic thinking INTJ-possibility thinking=>Dialectical Alghoritmic thinking ISTP-subordination thinking=>Causal Deterministic. The general "ISTJ" stereotype it's that of a Ti dom! So what you think Asura?
I read a lot of this (will go back, I promise, I'm an ESTbfemale)-- sincerely hate not finishing what I start;) you mentioned that you don't like to eliminate. Remember because istj is about probability, that still leads to elimination leading to the best possibilities to make n educated choice. My bf is n ISTJ, he needs to me to finalize decisions; but he presents all the best options to distance, waiting for meal, and how hungry I am/craving something. I lays have a craving and he wants to get me there-- but in the end my decision is always best taste to speed ratio as we both suffer from chronic pain. We both are thrifty by nature and appreciate efficiency bllut he presents the options and agree on practicality. He always wants to discuss important topics when he can give me full attention and able to think about it first. Extremely dependable, goes above and beyond, super good human. Would donanything for everyone to a fault. He needs to take carenof himself, I'm hoping to lead by example, istjs are more stubborn than me an estj!! Lol😊 we laugh about it and try to correct behaviors when it's about health etc I know communication is very easy for us. He works with people and is very charming; he fooled me as his work persona gives off extroverted vibes, it was interesting to see. I think emotional intelligence skews things and maybe what you're referring to as convergence? He works sales and I'm a nurse, so understand people in different ways. I have more empathy and emotional awareness than some estjs. I love mb as it helps people understand me better. Cheers
As an ISFJ, I wish there was a double me to take care of and look after all the details that I care about in the present moment, while I go to pursue whatever it is that I want for my future. When ISxJs become aware of their Ne and strive to act towards it more, we get held back by the enormous amount of details that we feel heavily responsible for. Because somehow when we look around, there isn't anyone else in our immediate environment who shares the same concern for those details. And though not all details would be important in the future, in our minds, they are somehow irreplaceable and connected to the bigger picture in their own particular ways, meaning that we perceive even a small shift in the details could make a huge and diverse impact in the future. Think of the butterfly effect. In worst case scenarios, ISxJs may get stuck in taking care of small things for other people before they give themselves the opportunity to live their life, or in this case, explore where their Ne/Fi or Ne/Ti would want to take them to.
istj here, yeah, that sums it all up. I'm always in reflective mode, trying to think about the future but it's like I'm blind to possibilities, all I can think about is losing what I have now. Jeez, it's like I'm trapped in my own thinking.
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I love the part where: "ISTJ's do not go through the door that they want, out of fear/hesitation. No, they board up the doors that they DON'T want. So eventually they HAVE to go through the door that they want." Somehow, this kind of makes sense to me; I have an ISTJ parent.
A much needed video, I'd like to see one differentiating between INTPs and ENTPs as well as ISTPs and ESTPs.
There's actually one done already awhile back. If you search "INTP ENTP" on this channel, it'll come up.
@@ec8335 I've actually seen it and forgot about it, thank you.
Another well-informed, good quality video. A trademark of this channel.
"This is what I believe is right and I will live by it but I don't have to show off externally that I live by it." That hit a nail. The description really sums up me and my mother. As a Te dominant she has always been out there accomplishing things at an inhuman pace, where it has always been a suicide attempt for me to try to keep up with her, She does not stop.Great work and research.
Tending to a plant is a pretty apt description for the ISTJ.
16:45 my dad (ENTJ) wrote two novels once he hit 50- he didn’t seem to even care about self-expression until I was in college. Interesting observation!
So far this is the most accurate description of the istj, that matches my personality to the T.
It has made me think about my future. But I'm not will to change that much, at the moment.
I knew/know ISTJ & ESTJ, I confirm all the points, great job as always.
If I add myself INTJ and my past relationship ENTJ, we have the 4 corners « pushy/agressiv » TJ of the table.
I understand now why theses types are on the corners, with their high strong Te.
It’s hurt to know I can be like this, without realizing it.
When we know them a little more, we can discover their soft and kind Fi.
Very informative and well presented. It would be great to see a comparison betwen ESTP and ISTP. and maybe a remake of the INFJ/ENFJ video that was made long ago.
15:30 it is baffling to me to hear you are constantly thinking about goals and plans in the longrun, while I (ISFP) don’t even like making plans for next week.
Great video by the way. It is always interesting to learn more about the differences between all the types.
as an Ni dom i can very much confirm that. it can be very annoying sometimes, finding yourself constantly trying to figure out whats comming next and then you realise how mutch stuff we miss that is happening in the moment
Im estj. If my long term issues are too much, I have a hard time focusing on today. I need many lists to run my life and to analyze everything.
INTJ vs ISTJ next?
Also, how would varriation play a part in this also? I'm refering to subtypes here.
In Harry system I'm a convergent subtype which has strengthened introverted functions. So how would a convergent ISTJ diverge from a convergent INTJ?
You also seem to be a divergent subtype.
Convergent subtypes in the case of IJs have strengthened both Si and Ni while divergent subtypes would have strengthened Te and not Fe because it's the PoLR.
I seem to be in the middle. I can both eliminate possibilities but I can also use them to my advantage and adapt myself. So I'm really confused now.
However the process of elimination is tedious. Most of the time I take a thing as being a fact that is occuring and I'm just going on from there.
So how would preparing in advance work vs Improvization basically? Because the latter it's what I'm actually doing.
I get small doses of insights in regards to a system that I'm constructing and the way of actually being able to do that is to actually just start and they came. Sometimes they came even when I'm not doing anything or most of the time that is.
So let's say how would a balanced ISTJ be different from a balanced INTJ who would both have good access to both Ni and Si?
Also, I don't know if an ISTJ with Si dom would be able to eliminate possibilities in the first place.
There's a difference between possibilities and probabilities. Probabilities I can't eliminate because they are really random but possibilities I can.
Also in socionics the ISTJ has vortical synergetic thinking which actually is concerned with probabilities.
While the INTJ has dialectical alghoritmic thinking which eliminates. So I don't see how that would be the case here.
Most of the time I just need to reflect upon things and eliminating always it's kind of against my person. Like I would rather prefer to just let things run as they are than to eliminate. I would rather just adapt.
A better distinction thus I think that one eliminates possibilities and the other eliminates probabilities. Now it would make sense.
In your whole video about Si and Ni you were trying to eliminate things and to present the opposites. So how is that not elimination? But the focus I think that is what it is important.
Here is an individual who I see that uses vortical synergetic probabilities thinking. Another thing to note is the fact that I have seen the difference between Si and Ni as one compressing things and the other decompressing. Now if both are balanced what I'm thinking is that you are able to get large amounts of information but also to decompress it and understand it throughly. So a convergent INTJ subtype in Harry system would be able to form a model inside his own head because he gathers information and then he's also able to decompress them to find patterns and a trajectory that they all follow. Which is what I'm doing and all the convergent examples I brought do the same. They all have an internal model of how things operate because of strengthened access to Ni and Si. But they project that differently.
Also ISTJs have Ne inferior in relation to Fe PoLR which has nothing to do with the future but with the social dynamic.
The individual in the video is reminiscent of another individual who I knew that had this kind of social paranoia where he would think that I'm doing things behind his back. When I stated clearly that I don't. He wouldn't trust anything at all. And then we ended up not talking with each other because of his paranoia.
That seems to be more reminiscent of Ne inferior than Ne nemesis which seems to be under control for the most part.
While the inferior function seems to not be able to be controlled because it's in the unconscious. So he couldn't control his Ne inferior it's what I'm guessing. Just like INTJs can't control their Se it just cames in the form of insight whenever it wants to and locks upon aspects that it wants to.
Link:
ruclips.net/video/ZeecOKBus3Q/видео.html
And for comparison there is an INTP if you think that the one before is like that. Now I do think that the previous example is an example of a convergent subtype as well of an ISTJ and maybe Ben is too an example of an INTP convergent subtype.
Link: ruclips.net/video/L5gRG-pwMaA/видео.html
And finally, here is an example of a more convergent INTJ, Dario Nardi.
ruclips.net/video/bHJDESShlyo/видео.html
And additionally, here is a video of an ISTj or Ti domminant MBTY ISTP equivalent Jordan Peterson a convergent subtype as well:
ruclips.net/video/sLLyWBySGwg/видео.html
So the modes of thinking you can see that are the following:
ISTJ-probabilities thinking=>Vortical Synergetic thinking
INTP-ideal isolated state=>Holographic Panoramic thinking
INTJ-possibility thinking=>Dialectical Alghoritmic thinking
ISTP-subordination thinking=>Causal Deterministic. The general "ISTJ" stereotype it's that of a Ti dom!
So what you think Asura?
I read a lot of this (will go back, I promise, I'm an ESTbfemale)-- sincerely hate not finishing what I start;) you mentioned that you don't like to eliminate. Remember because istj is about probability, that still leads to elimination leading to the best possibilities to make n educated choice. My bf is n ISTJ, he needs to me to finalize decisions; but he presents all the best options to distance, waiting for meal, and how hungry I am/craving something. I lays have a craving and he wants to get me there-- but in the end my decision is always best taste to speed ratio as we both suffer from chronic pain. We both are thrifty by nature and appreciate efficiency bllut he presents the options and agree on practicality. He always wants to discuss important topics when he can give me full attention and able to think about it first. Extremely dependable, goes above and beyond, super good human. Would donanything for everyone to a fault. He needs to take carenof himself, I'm hoping to lead by example, istjs are more stubborn than me an estj!! Lol😊 we laugh about it and try to correct behaviors when it's about health etc I know communication is very easy for us. He works with people and is very charming; he fooled me as his work persona gives off extroverted vibes, it was interesting to see. I think emotional intelligence skews things and maybe what you're referring to as convergence? He works sales and I'm a nurse, so understand people in different ways. I have more empathy and emotional awareness than some estjs. I love mb as it helps people understand me better. Cheers
Hmm I know myself well, I came back lol. I still agree eith myself however hate I made typos (too tired to edit).
Incredible video
As an ISFJ, I wish there was a double me to take care of and look after all the details that I care about in the present moment, while I go to pursue whatever it is that I want for my future. When ISxJs become aware of their Ne and strive to act towards it more, we get held back by the enormous amount of details that we feel heavily responsible for. Because somehow when we look around, there isn't anyone else in our immediate environment who shares the same concern for those details. And though not all details would be important in the future, in our minds, they are somehow irreplaceable and connected to the bigger picture in their own particular ways, meaning that we perceive even a small shift in the details could make a huge and diverse impact in the future. Think of the butterfly effect.
In worst case scenarios, ISxJs may get stuck in taking care of small things for other people before they give themselves the opportunity to live their life, or in this case, explore where their Ne/Fi or Ne/Ti would want to take them to.
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Did the mbti certificate also cover indepth about the vairants of the 16 personalities? Would love to have a video about that 😘
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ESTJ the type to lead themselves off a cliff
Why bother?