I met R Lee Ermey twice in my life. Once at the recruiting office before I went off to boot camp, and the second time after I got out and was working for an air conditioning company and did some work at his house where surprising to me lived about 20 mins from me. We had a great conversation and even took me in his house and showed me some moments he had received from movies he had done. And outstanding marine and all around great guy. Now training the angels in heaven. R.I.P
The "marching/running" songs are called cadences. It helps keep you in step and to be honest also a way to pass the time especially on longer runs. There are dozens of them. I was a 19D in the Army (Cavalry Scout). One cadence goes ... "Captain's old lady said before she died there were four things she wanted to ride , bicycle, tricycle, Pontiac ... recon soldier lying on his back because we are hardcore , lean and mean fighting machine .
The Fact that most of the lines R.Lee says where not scripted it just spilled out of him and Kubrick went with it , it makes the whole Bootcamp a true Masterpiece . Great reaction u 2 - Cheers
Had he acted like this in real life, he would have been court-martialed, dummy. It was against the law to strike trainees during this era, and R. Lee Ermey admitted this.
@@RyanToolboxRight!!! And him, and Matthew Modine were good friends. (Private Joker),Maybe that helped him get that role.. Both great actors KILLED it. Great acting.
I am a combat vet ( Vietnam ) I was in The Airforce and then the Army . Yes I'm stupid . I am impressed that you both understand why boot camp is so hard . Thank you for this and God bless you both.
@@chuckhilleshiem6596Hy homeboy did that. I was at Relaxin Jackson, but from I hear Lackland was cool 😎. Went to AIT there. And we would watch 232 get SMOKED, then go to thier DFAC. This was in the 1990's though. Lmao 💯.
One thing I noticed is during the runs the recruits are drenched in sweat and out of breath, yet the Senior DI, who is twice there age, is unfazed. An actual fact I've witnessed in boot camp. They also wake up an hour earlier (2am) and go to sleep an hour later (10pm) then the recruits. Monsters! One flaw in the plot, no way in hell would a recruit have access to live rounds when not on the shooting range. Even then if you where given 20 rounds, you better have 20 empty shells to return.
Edison Range was where our 3rd Squad leader lost his job and I took it😂all the guys I flew out of St Louis MEPs i traded and bartered to get, 7 of us and we all made it til the end...3rd squad, til this day one of my finest achievements.
When he's on the gun range and the D. I. is distracted as he's telling Pyle, "I think we've finally found something you do well", Pyle ejects his magazine before it is empty and sets it off to the side. I think that's where he got the live rounds from.
No, he's not racist..he thinks they are all equally racist..take that chip off your shoulder..we didnt get offended as adults in the 80s, even if someone called me a fat, drunk mick cause Im Irish. To me, we are stronger than later generations because a lot of us didnt take it personally. We had balls.
"we didnt get offended as adults in the 80s" I remember quite a few adults being offended in the 80s. TO pretend that outrage and offense is some new thing, created by millenials and GenZ is lazy, ignorant and denies reality completely. Most of the people who led the "outrage brigades" back in the 80s, happened to be right wingers, evangelicals and catholics. I guess people forget all about trying to blame heavy metal for teens committing suicide, trying to ban metal music and rap music because they did not like how it sounded or the language. Trying to ban books, trying to ban movies (Life of Brian, The Last Temptation of Christ") and a million more things that offended all those enlightened "adults".
Ann Margaret was a big star, song and dance performer. The gunner wasn't saying they were easier to kill, he was saying you don't aim as far ahead of them when firing because they can't run as fast.
I am a Desert Storm Veteran. This movie was one of my favorite movies before I went to the Middle East. After I came back it was more than 20 years before I could watch this movie again. It would trigger my own PTSD.
Oh boy...welcome to the Kubrick insanity version of Vietnam...it definitely makes an impression, doesn't it? I have never seen it specifically stated by Kubrick anywhere, but Private Pyle is a clear representation of a real program that the Defense Department ran in the 1960s. It was called "Project 100,000" and it was a test to see whether the mental and physical parameters for serving in the US military could be widened to make the pool of potential service people larger. Between escalation in Vietnam and all the other military commitments of the Cold War in those days, the military was concerned about a shortage of people to serve. So they started testing whether recruits who were normally just a bit below the normal standard for IQ, or emotional stability, or physical fitness could be turned into effective military personnel. The same program probably would have led to Forrest Gump being recruited and serving in Vietnam. The program had various nicknames including "McNamara's Misfits" and "McNamara's Morons" in honor of Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara.
The thing about boot camp that you need to understand, is that it has two purposes ..... To teach you everything you need to know, to be able to assimilate into military life, and to weed out those who cannot stand up to the heat. You don't want to find out you have your own version of Private Pyle, when the $hit eventually hits the fan, and YOUR life is dependent upon whether he can hack it, or not.
The thing they did before sleeping wasnt a prayer. Its called the rifleman's creed. Its a poem. In the Army, we memorized the first few stanzas. But, we didnt use it as a bed prayer. They used it to get you to focus on the soldier manuals we had in basic. Im not sure where it came from though. Also, the helicopter gunner said, "... it's easy. Ya just don't lead them so much.". When you shoot at someone on the ground moving, you "lead" the target to account for movement. What he was saying is women and children dont move as fast. So, you dont lead them as much.😂😂😂😂. Its sick. But, dark funny.
YES, R Lee Ermey was a real US Marine Drill Instructor. Most of his lines were improv, in real life he was a super nice guy. But when that uniform is on, the first and last words out of your filthy sewer better be SIR!
I went through Army Infantry basic training in 1998. First day they exercised us until someone puked, then they made him pick it up with his hands. They wouldn't smack you in front of everybody like in this movie, but I heard more than one story of guys getting taken to the woodline and running into a tree. Training is hard, but when I was on patrol in Afghanistan, I understood.
When they refer to Private Pyle being a "section 8" they were saying they thought he was losing it mentally. A section 8 discharge from the military was the category used for all those judged mentally unfit for military service. It was also often used by the military to remove anyone discovered to be LGBT...if you have ever heard of or seen the TV series MASH, you will know about the character of Max Klinger. And just to be clear...the Communist Vietnamese offensive that is depicted in this movie...the one where all the military bases in the South were attacked at the same time...is the infamous TET Offensive that started on January 30th of 1968.👍
Training needs to be cruel because war will not be kind at all. Those who cannot make the cut are weeded out so they don’t get every one else killed. During the Vietnam era, America still had the draft. By the end they were scraping the bottom of the barrel. Leonard represents the less than standard intelligence they drafted.
Fun fact. When I was in basic the singing while running is a breathing control technique. as you run, you breathe and then sing, keeping your breathing slow enough to keep you from over breathing and fatiguing.
24:32 Ann-Margret is a Swedish born American dancer, singer and actress who was extremely popular at the time, having starred in movies such as "Viva Las Vegas" with Elvis Presley and even an appearance as "Ann-Margrock" on the Flintstones. She really did travel to Vietnam to do shows for the American soldiers.
I went to basic in bad physical shape. I was Pyle quite a few times but by the end of basic I was in just as good of shape as any of the guys. It's amazing how it works. I'm older and outta shape now. Wish I had a boot camp to go to so I could get back in shape
I was a double rat and one of the guys I flew out of MEPs with was special diet, I did give him food but sometimes he'd not meet the weight quota, I was his squad leader so I was getting bent too, he told me he'd never go over again, still was getting food from me cause I couldn't eat all that shit and meet all requirements til graduation, last name was Abney, good dude, I haven't thought about that in 33 years.
I think what gets overlooked in this movie is Animal Mother's character. He comes off as a complete jerk but 8-ball says "under fire, he's one of the finest human beings". This eventually shows when he tries to rescue Doc J and 8 ball even though he knows a sniper can take him out.
If you haven't already seen it, another must watch Vietnam movie is Good Morning Vietnam starring Robin Williams. It's one of his best performances, he completely knocks it out of the park in comedy and drama.
During the soap beating of Pyle, Joker didn't beat him repeatedly for spite. As squad leader, he was responsible to hit him once each for the men holding him down who couldnt hit him themselves. That added to his sense of guilt.
R. Lee Ermey was originally hired as a technical advisor on the movie, but he didn't think the actor who played the drill sergeant was very convincing, so he asked Stanley Kubrick to give him the part instead. When Kubrick refused, Ermey said something to him. I don't remember exactly what he said, but it scared Kubrick so much he gave him the part. Another thing. On his way to the audition, Ermey was in a automobile accident, His jeep overturned and he broke all six ribs on his left side, but he still made the audition. That's why he never moves his left arm during that first scene.
The songs are known as cadence's to march in time in complete sync the Eskimo cadence he came up with in his head not much was allowed to be improvised but I believe Kubrick gave ermey license to come up with them on his own. Also Kubrick had originally wanted ermey to be kept separate from the rest of the cast to create an intimidating presence ermey however explained to them in a group and said "look I may say some unsavory things about your mothers but realize it's just acting I will be tough just know it's nothing personal" he was told to be tough and mean" one of his best performances of his career. The helicopter gunner was originally cast as sergeant Hartman but ermey won the role due to his real experience he was originally hired as a consultant to train extras having been to Vietnam 3 times
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All military training used to be like this. If you can’t survive training, you won’t survive combat. I heard a Navy officer say, and an Air Force sergeant verified, that the most important thing to learn in training, and if you learn nothing else, is to make good decisions in highly stressful environments. Pyle should never have been in the service but during the war physical and mental standards were relaxed. The sergeant was testing Joker and Joker stood his ground and maintained control even though he was ready to explode. That’s why he was promoted to squad leader. Pyle got a blanket party; something that happens to chronic foul ups. It’s important that everyone participates so no one can tell on the others. Section Eight is a discharge for mental or emotional problems. Yes, you poop in front of everyone, so you lose that inhibition. In the field you have to have someone stand guard while you relieve yourself. The Tet Offensive was a real event. Ann Margaret was an actress and singer, very popular in the 1960s. She did USO (United Service Organizations) shows for the troops. Hitting the magazine against the helmet helps to seat the cartridges in the magazine so they won’t misfeed and jam. Joker’s comment about being the first kid on the block refers to old television commercials for toys. They told the kids to be the first kid on the block to have one of the toys. ARVN was the Army of the Republic of Vietnam, South Vietnam. The soldiers were notoriously unreliable, especially in combat. The joke was the rifles were almost new, never been fired and only dropped once. Did you see how Joker’s face was half lit and half dark at the end? That’s when he finally found his war face.
The running songs are called cadence and the whole point of them is to help your cardio so you are in the proper shape. Also coordination because you always start on the left foot.
A great double feature with this is First Blood (the first Rambo movie) which deals with PTSD from the perspective of a shattered vet who comes back from the Vietnam conflict.
First Blood is such an amazing movie. It starts off as just an action movie, but it's all a build up for the ending which is epic. Stallone rocked that ending hard.
The reason for the harshness of Bootcamp is to maintain a constant high stress environment. Because a Marine needs to be able to operate when most people would want to curl up into the fetal position. Singing Cadence, among other things,is to force the recruit to breathe. It is a fact that some recruits forget to breathe while trying function under stress. I hate for you to think this movie was so “realistic”. It is written from a very anti- military point of view. That’s not to downplay its importance though. When I served and attended tech school you would be hard pressed to walk through our dorm and not find guys watching it.
Ok, the two of you are younger and i see that. You never heard of Ann Margaret? Some of the other host(s) of YT movie reaction channels state that they have never heard of John Wayne?!
War is brutal, merciless and cold. So the movie is brutal, merciless and cold. No hero to celebrate and no sympathy to give away - just the mere attempt to get through this "world oft shit" halfway alive. Some people didn´t like the movie because of this but I think it describes the unforgiving reality much better than most war pictures.
The songs they sing, while marching and running are called "cadences." Every American military branch sings them. They are often used to help pass the time, when marching from one place to another ..... Especially, if the places are far apart from each other. There are standard cadences, and there are free-form cadences. The drill instructors will usually use the standard cadences, but often, the drill instructor will let volunteers sing cadences. The best ones are the ones that are comical, and the ones made up from popular songs of the day (My Air Force boot camp was back in 1977). We had one guy in our flight turn a rap tune into a cadence (This was before rap became widely popular)! We also had one sicko in the flight who made up cruel disgusting cadences. One of his went like this ..... Birdie, birdie In the snow A broken wing And a broken toe Took him home and fed him bread Then, I squished his little head Was I right or wrong (Everyone: You're right) Correct me if I'm wrong (Everyone: You're right) Was I right, was I wrong Was I right or wrong (Everyone: You're right) Count it on down now (Everyone: 1-2-3-4 ..... 1-2 ..... 3-4)
Nice movie reaction! I was serving on active duty when this movie came out in 1987. The chants are referred to as "Jodies" which are a type of military cadence while marching as a large formation during close order drill. The term Jodie has another meaning. It's a lowlife civilian who for whatever reason doesn't serve, stays at home and keeps the G.I.'s wife or girlfriend "company" while he's away peforming his duties. Some marching cadence Jodies can be vulgar and quite humorous too. It also helps build esprit-de-corps and morale binding the members of the formation together. The whole purpose behind close order drill is to motivate the members of the unit who come from all walks of life and different parts of the country, to perform as a team, a unit. When every member flawlessly executes each drill command together, it looks professional and 'on point.' Looking forward to more reviews. Thanks a bunch!
We sung the Marine Corps Hymn everynight at taps, if we screwed up we didn't cause we didn't rate too, once when we were being a little too loose that DI actually ordered us to attention and shouted Secure the Happiness!!😂they aint songs, they are Cadence Counts😂if you are "singing" together theres a good chance your steps are in cadence with the "song".
There was a major problem the soldiers in nam had that you guys don’t seem to know. You’re both younger so I understand. I guess history class isn’t what it used to be to! Anyway, our soldiers wore uniforms In accordance with the rules of war. In Vietnam, the enemy did not always wear one, so you never knew who the enemy was. So, just as my dad told me and did, you decide if you want to take chances with your life or not. Then you do what you have to do to make sure you get home. You can think that’s horrible, that’s ok, but remember they chose to not wear uniforms and to blend in with the general population. They brought it upon themselves civilians, not the soldiers. This movie came out around the same time as other very well know Vietnam war “tribute” movies. My dad could watch them all, except for this one because of the beginning. He said that Kubrick did too good of a job showing exactly what it was like. The movie “Platoon” was hard for him too, but he made it through. The words are hard by today’s standards, but the norm then, don’t forget that. Some things today are “devastating” for people to hear, they don’t seem to understand that words are wind, nothing more. Notice too, the white guy that said that to the black guy ragged on him all the time. The black guy would just blow him off and say “yeah whatever”, and then they went on. Notice when the black guy got shot, that same white guy didn’t want to leave him out there, then disobeyed a direct order to go out to get him. Words are wind, nothing more. People today are way too soft and sensitive to things that are of zero consequences to them in their real lives. That, along with revisionist history has made this country into a place I can barely recognize. Just remember this, how will you all like it in 30 years and some revisionist looks back on words you think nothing of today, and want to crucify you for saying something that was the norm of the day. That’s exactly what anyone over 40 lives with every day now. I think you guys missed something about the character Joker. He was sarcastic…a lot! He was making those comments to the news cameras to be a smart ass, he meant the exact opposite. The guy in the helicopter said “you just don’t lead them so much”. When shooting at a target at any real distance, if the target is moving, you have to “lead” the target. You have to shoot where you think the target will be when the bullet gets there. So the longer the distance, the more you have to lead, the same can be said for a faster target. Women and children being slower than men, he didn’t need to lead them as much, if that makes any sense. Oh, one last thing, just little nip picky but it is to help you in the future. The thing Pyle was loading ammo into while in the bathroom was NOT a “clip”. That is a magazine. A magazine holds the entirety of the ammunition. A clip is a “C” shaped piece of, almost always, metal. It holds ammo by the rim at the back only, the rest of the ammo is just hanging out. You use them to basically “speed load” a, usually, non-removable box magazine. Some weapons hold the clip inside and eject it after firing the last round, others let you just push the ammo down into the magazine and then toss the clip. Sorry, if anything comes off as harsh. I’m good at doing that even if I don’t mean it that way. It’s all meant to be helpful.
You draft a man who is actually not suitable for military service but Minister Robert McNamara started Project 100000. Through this project, men were drafted who were neither physically, mentally nor psychologically suitable. Then you meet these men who are actually not in the service should be, to shouting noncommissioned officers who don't understand or don't want to understand that you should never treat these men like that. The result is two deaths. One of them is a person who has simply been “broken”. Statistics on the 100,000 show what a mischief has been caused. “Congratulations” on this “achievement”.
In some instances they were justified in killing children. The VC would strap bombs to children and have them run into a big group of soldiers and then detonate the bomb. The girl killed at the end was probably about 12 so again the VC used children to snipe and kill soldiers.
The vc didnt straped bomb into children they recruted child soldiers who used explosives and usa was doing the very same with its south vietnamese and montanhnard alyes the first even producing little uniforns for little children to use
If you are going to war and something as minor as harsh language can set you off you will not last a day on the battlefield! going thorough basic training make your body and mind HARD! So you can focus on the REAL problems and maybe come home in the end.
The next Vietnam war movie I suggest you watch is We were soldiers with Mel Gibson or platoon with Charlie Sheen or casualties of war with Michael j. Fox and Sean Penn
In the helicopter when joker asks how can you shoot women and children he responds “you just don’t lead em so much.” This refers to the fact women and children are generally slower than men. When a target is running you have to aim slightly ahead of them (lead em) so they are effectively running into your shot. It’s a twisted joke.
15:13 That magazine that Pyle pulled out still had live FMJ rounds in it and the sarge didn't notice. That's how he got them back to use later on. I've read that R Lee Ermey came up with about 150 pages of documented insults.
Like Both of You..BIG FAN OF JAMIL. He seems like such a good person.. He strikes me as a College Professor or A teacher of some sort. Thanks for the reactions..
An excellent film but the war end of things is not accurate. Kubrick was afraid of flying, so it was filmed in London. Paths of Glory, 2001 and Barry Lyndon are Kubrick's best films. The Drill Sergeant scenes make this film reaction friendly but in totality it's one of his poorest films. Of course, the man was a genius so even his lesser films were better than 90% of everyone elses..
Hello, if you don’t mind, can you do a movie reaction on a movie called, 1492: Conquest of Paradise. Adventure/Drama (1992). It stars Gérard Depardieu, Siqourney Weaver, Armand Assante. It portrays a version of the travels to the New World by the Italian explorer Christopher Columbus and the effect this had on indigenous peoples. Directed by Ridley Scott.
This is a great movie but the most realistic Vietnam movie is platoon. It’s always kind of funny when people who watch historical movies whether true or exaggerated don’t have any clue about context. Amazing how uninformed people are. You were surprised about the news department probably pushing a narrative. Geeze don’t you see the media doing it today with their political narrative. The Surfin’ Bird Song was done by The Thrashmen. You guys seem nice enough but after watching a couple of your reactions, I have to agree with the consensus that you talk over way too much. I know you have to do commentary but lighten it up some.
Blanket parties (the soap in the towel scene) are certainly not condoned by the Marine Corps. Not when I went though MCRD San Diego in 1989, or even back during Vietnam...but it certainly is amazing how much better recruits perform, that may or may not had one in the dark of night after the overnight Drill Instructor is sleeping. Just sayin'....wink wink There's a term for it, I'm sure someone will mention it here in comments, but mental and physical standards were dropped during that time to draft more people in who had no business being part of the military.
Recommend reacting to "We Were Soldiers" True story from 1965 battle in the Ia Drang Valley. Taken from the book by Col. Hal Moore and journalist Joe Gallowoway
I can only speak from post-Vietnam US Navy. 1. There are always more than one CC in boot camp (at least in the Navy) where partially recruits can't be abused. Verbal abuse is one thing but physical was a NO GO. 2. Vincent D'Onofrio played the Bug in "Men in black", and had to put on 50lbs for this role 3. Hardman was out of control. Others outside his recruits would have noticed and he would have been held accountable. 4. "I don't know, but I've been told. Eskimo pussy is mighty cold." was used in my Navy recruit company in 1981. 5. In the US Navy real live ammo was always accounted for, and Pyle wouldn't have had it on his person in the head. 6. The lights in the head are always lit. (lighting I suspect). 7. "Blanket parties" were a real deal. We didn't have one because we didn't have a Gomer Pyle. 8. The hooker in Saigon is just distracting them so the motorcycle guys can steal the camera. I saw that happen in the Philippines. 9. "I wouldn't shit you, you're my favorite turd" I've used that before. 10. Even by Hollywood standards, Kubrick went overboard with excessive bloodletting.
You called these guys soldiers none of them are soldiers. This is supposed to be the Marine Corp. and they are Marines, not soldiers. A Marine would be offended to be called a soldier.
I met R Lee Ermey twice in my life. Once at the recruiting office before I went off to boot camp, and the second time after I got out and was working for an air conditioning company and did some work at his house where surprising to me lived about 20 mins from me. We had a great conversation and even took me in his house and showed me some moments he had received from movies he had done. And outstanding marine and all around great guy. Now training the angels in heaven. R.I.P
The "marching/running" songs are called cadences. It helps keep you in step and to be honest also a way to pass the time especially on longer runs. There are dozens of them. I was a 19D in the Army (Cavalry Scout). One cadence goes ...
"Captain's old lady said before she died there were four things she wanted to ride , bicycle, tricycle, Pontiac ... recon soldier lying on his back because we are hardcore , lean and mean fighting machine .
The Fact that most of the lines R.Lee says where not scripted it just spilled out of him and Kubrick went with it , it makes the whole Bootcamp a true Masterpiece . Great reaction u 2 - Cheers
War is cruel, not that drill sergeant. He was preparing them as well as trying to break those too weak to survive what was coming their way.
Yeah, it's not his fault someone when completely nuts. It's still better there then out in the field
Yup!! That should be all drill instructor/ sergeants job. Now the military is slowly becoming soft.
Had he acted like this in real life, he would have been court-martialed, dummy. It was against the law to strike trainees during this era, and R. Lee Ermey admitted this.
I wonder if they train like this today. Something tells me our troops do not.
@@davisworth5114 you’re right dummy
Vincent D'Onofrio, I believe, still holds the record for an actor gaining the most weight for a role, over 70 lbs. Talk about dedication.
It's crazy that Pyle was considered "Obese" at the time of this movie. Today he is in better shape than most people.
@@RyanToolboxRight!!! And him, and Matthew Modine were good friends. (Private Joker),Maybe that helped him get that role.. Both great actors KILLED it. Great acting.
I am a combat vet ( Vietnam ) I was in The Airforce and then the Army . Yes I'm stupid . I am impressed that you both understand why boot camp is so hard . Thank you for this and God bless you both.
You're not stupid, you made it home alive. Can't thank you enough for your service.
@@Edman116 WOW thanks that made my day. God bless you
@@chuckhilleshiem6596Hy homeboy did that. I was at Relaxin Jackson, but from I hear Lackland was cool 😎. Went to AIT there. And we would watch 232 get SMOKED, then go to thier DFAC. This was in the 1990's though. Lmao 💯.
One thing I noticed is during the runs the recruits are drenched in sweat and out of breath, yet the Senior DI, who is twice there age, is unfazed. An actual fact I've witnessed in boot camp. They also wake up an hour earlier (2am) and go to sleep an hour later (10pm) then the recruits. Monsters!
One flaw in the plot, no way in hell would a recruit have access to live rounds when not on the shooting range. Even then if you where given 20 rounds, you better have 20 empty shells to return.
Edison Range was where our 3rd Squad leader lost his job and I took it😂all the guys I flew out of St Louis MEPs i traded and bartered to get, 7 of us and we all made it til the end...3rd squad, til this day one of my finest achievements.
When he's on the gun range and the D. I. is distracted as he's telling Pyle, "I think we've finally found something you do well", Pyle ejects his magazine before it is empty and sets it off to the side. I think that's where he got the live rounds from.
No, he's not racist..he thinks they are all equally racist..take that chip off your shoulder..we didnt get offended as adults in the 80s, even if someone called me a fat, drunk mick cause Im Irish. To me, we are stronger than later generations because a lot of us didnt take it personally. We had balls.
Amen
Well said! I'm 35 and I know this lol
This!
"we didnt get offended as adults in the 80s"
I remember quite a few adults being offended in the 80s. TO pretend that outrage and offense is some new thing, created by millenials and GenZ is lazy, ignorant and denies reality completely. Most of the people who led the "outrage brigades" back in the 80s, happened to be right wingers, evangelicals and catholics.
I guess people forget all about trying to blame heavy metal for teens committing suicide, trying to ban metal music and rap music because they did not like how it sounded or the language. Trying to ban books, trying to ban movies (Life of Brian, The Last Temptation of Christ") and a million more things that offended all those enlightened "adults".
I don't think they said he was racist. You are arguing with nobody.
Ann Margaret was a big star, song and dance performer. The gunner wasn't saying they were easier to kill, he was saying you don't aim as far ahead of them when firing because they can't run as fast.
I am a Desert Storm Veteran. This movie was one of my favorite movies before I went to the Middle East. After I came back it was more than 20 years before I could watch this movie again. It would trigger my own PTSD.
Censoring cursing makes this movie hard to follow
You didnt watch this movie, but reactions to it?
Who cares if you can't follow the movie?
Oh boy...welcome to the Kubrick insanity version of Vietnam...it definitely makes an impression, doesn't it?
I have never seen it specifically stated by Kubrick anywhere, but Private Pyle is a clear representation of a real program that the Defense Department ran in the 1960s. It was called "Project 100,000" and it was a test to see whether the mental and physical parameters for serving in the US military could be widened to make the pool of potential service people larger. Between escalation in Vietnam and all the other military commitments of the Cold War in those days, the military was concerned about a shortage of people to serve. So they started testing whether recruits who were normally just a bit below the normal standard for IQ, or emotional stability, or physical fitness could be turned into effective military personnel. The same program probably would have led to Forrest Gump being recruited and serving in Vietnam. The program had various nicknames including "McNamara's Misfits" and "McNamara's Morons" in honor of Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara.
The thing about boot camp that you need to understand, is that it has two purposes ..... To teach you everything you need to know, to be able to assimilate into military life, and to weed out those who cannot stand up to the heat. You don't want to find out you have your own version of Private Pyle, when the $hit eventually hits the fan, and YOUR life is dependent upon whether he can hack it, or not.
Fun Trivia: the character of "Murphy" when Cowboy is calling for tank support was voiced by Stanley Kubrick himself 😎🤓👍
Military basic training is a summer camp compared to being a POW.
The thing they did before sleeping wasnt a prayer. Its called the rifleman's creed. Its a poem. In the Army, we memorized the first few stanzas. But, we didnt use it as a bed prayer. They used it to get you to focus on the soldier manuals we had in basic. Im not sure where it came from though.
Also, the helicopter gunner said, "... it's easy. Ya just don't lead them so much.". When you shoot at someone on the ground moving, you "lead" the target to account for movement. What he was saying is women and children dont move as fast. So, you dont lead them as much.😂😂😂😂. Its sick. But, dark funny.
YES, R Lee Ermey was a real US Marine Drill Instructor. Most of his lines were improv, in real life he was a super nice guy. But when that uniform is on, the first and last words out of your filthy sewer better be SIR!
I went through Army Infantry basic training in 1998. First day they exercised us until someone puked, then they made him pick it up with his hands. They wouldn't smack you in front of everybody like in this movie, but I heard more than one story of guys getting taken to the woodline and running into a tree.
Training is hard, but when I was on patrol in Afghanistan, I understood.
The reason for “singing “ is to keep everyone in step and to keep you breathing
Cadence is the word 😂
@@seansimms8503 I was having a brain fart it been 19 years since I ran cadence
@@seanb4565 it's OK bro, my brain today is more of a fart than a brain.
When they refer to Private Pyle being a "section 8" they were saying they thought he was losing it mentally. A section 8 discharge from the military was the category used for all those judged mentally unfit for military service. It was also often used by the military to remove anyone discovered to be LGBT...if you have ever heard of or seen the TV series MASH, you will know about the character of Max Klinger.
And just to be clear...the Communist Vietnamese offensive that is depicted in this movie...the one where all the military bases in the South were attacked at the same time...is the infamous TET Offensive that started on January 30th of 1968.👍
This was an example of the induction process failing.
Wow less than 5 mins in and u cut the most iconic lines he spoke. Wow.....
Training needs to be cruel because war will not be kind at all. Those who cannot make the cut are weeded out so they don’t get every one else killed. During the Vietnam era, America still had the draft. By the end they were scraping the bottom of the barrel. Leonard represents the less than standard intelligence they drafted.
Fun fact. When I was in basic the singing while running is a breathing control technique. as you run, you breathe and then sing, keeping your breathing slow enough to keep you from over breathing and fatiguing.
24:32 Ann-Margret is a Swedish born American dancer, singer and actress who was extremely popular at the time, having starred in movies such as "Viva Las Vegas" with Elvis Presley and even an appearance as "Ann-Margrock" on the Flintstones. She really did travel to Vietnam to do shows for the American soldiers.
I went to basic in bad physical shape. I was Pyle quite a few times but by the end of basic I was in just as good of shape as any of the guys. It's amazing how it works. I'm older and outta shape now. Wish I had a boot camp to go to so I could get back in shape
I was a double rat, one of the smallest guys on the platoon...ended as 3rd Squad leader, platoons only 300 PFTer
I was a double rat and one of the guys I flew out of MEPs with was special diet, I did give him food but sometimes he'd not meet the weight quota, I was his squad leader so I was getting bent too, he told me he'd never go over again, still was getting food from me cause I couldn't eat all that shit and meet all requirements til graduation, last name was Abney, good dude, I haven't thought about that in 33 years.
I think what gets overlooked in this movie is Animal Mother's character. He comes off as a complete jerk but 8-ball says "under fire, he's one of the finest human beings". This eventually shows when he tries to rescue Doc J and 8 ball even though he knows a sniper can take him out.
You should also check out Apocalypse now. It's another Vietnam movie with incredible cinematography.
If you haven't already seen it, another must watch Vietnam movie is Good Morning Vietnam starring Robin Williams. It's one of his best performances, he completely knocks it out of the park in comedy and drama.
This movie is two movies to me. I have watched the first movie (boot) countless times. The second movie (deployment) a handful of times.
During the soap beating of Pyle, Joker didn't beat him repeatedly for spite. As squad leader, he was responsible to hit him once each for the men holding him down who couldnt hit him themselves. That added to his sense of guilt.
Btw these guys going through boot camp were drafted into the service. Involuntary enrollment in a life and death job by law.
And I encountered numerous Draft Dodgers when I was a teen.
R. Lee Ermey was originally hired as a technical advisor on the movie, but he didn't think the actor who played the drill sergeant was very convincing, so he asked Stanley Kubrick to give him the part instead. When Kubrick refused, Ermey said something to him. I don't remember exactly what he said, but it scared Kubrick so much he gave him the part. Another thing. On his way to the audition, Ermey was in a automobile accident, His jeep overturned and he broke all six ribs on his left side, but he still made the audition. That's why he never moves his left arm during that first scene.
You guys cut WAY too much out. Entire sections of the movie are gone that lend context to the story.
I think most of the people who watch these reactions videos have always seen the movie.
Blanket parties suck
no they're quite enjoyable actually
Lol we need more ppl like the drill instructor nowadays because ppl are way too soft and sensitive.
The songs are known as cadence's to march in time in complete sync the Eskimo cadence he came up with in his head not much was allowed to be improvised but I believe Kubrick gave ermey license to come up with them on his own. Also Kubrick had originally wanted ermey to be kept separate from the rest of the cast to create an intimidating presence ermey however explained to them in a group and said "look I may say some unsavory things about your mothers but realize it's just acting I will be tough just know it's nothing personal" he was told to be tough and mean" one of his best performances of his career. The helicopter gunner was originally cast as sergeant Hartman but ermey won the role due to his real experience he was originally hired as a consultant to train extras having been to Vietnam 3 times
1960s avg price of cigarettes...
> Avg. price: $0.30 per pack
> Inflation-adjusted price: $2.44 per pack
> Avg. state and federal cigarette taxes: $0.15 per pack
> Annual consumption per capita: 2,660 cigarettes[!!!]
All military training used to be like this. If you can’t survive training, you won’t survive combat. I heard a Navy officer say, and an Air Force sergeant verified, that the most important thing to learn in training, and if you learn nothing else, is to make good decisions in highly stressful environments. Pyle should never have been in the service but during the war physical and mental standards were relaxed. The sergeant was testing Joker and Joker stood his ground and maintained control even though he was ready to explode. That’s why he was promoted to squad leader. Pyle got a blanket party; something that happens to chronic foul ups. It’s important that everyone participates so no one can tell on the others. Section Eight is a discharge for mental or emotional problems. Yes, you poop in front of everyone, so you lose that inhibition. In the field you have to have someone stand guard while you relieve yourself. The Tet Offensive was a real event. Ann Margaret was an actress and singer, very popular in the 1960s. She did USO (United Service Organizations) shows for the troops. Hitting the magazine against the helmet helps to seat the cartridges in the magazine so they won’t misfeed and jam. Joker’s comment about being the first kid on the block refers to old television commercials for toys. They told the kids to be the first kid on the block to have one of the toys. ARVN was the Army of the Republic of Vietnam, South Vietnam. The soldiers were notoriously unreliable, especially in combat. The joke was the rifles were almost new, never been fired and only dropped once. Did you see how Joker’s face was half lit and half dark at the end? That’s when he finally found his war face.
Drill Instructor 😁 It's called cadence when they're running and yes the cadence used in the movie is real.
Joker was being facetious when he said he wanted to be the first on his block with a confirmed kill.
I don't recommend the military, unless you really hate yourself
The running songs are called cadence and the whole point of them is to help your cardio so you are in the proper shape. Also coordination because you always start on the left foot.
This movie came out in 87. I when through in 08 and it looks identical, but now you don't get physically assaulted until SOI.
I blame Pvt Pile and his recruiter in this fictional scenario.
It's crazy that Pyle was considered "Obese" at the time of this movie. Today he is in better shape than most people.
A great double feature with this is First Blood (the first Rambo movie) which deals with PTSD from the perspective of a shattered vet who comes back from the Vietnam conflict.
First Blood is such an amazing movie. It starts off as just an action movie, but it's all a build up for the ending which is epic. Stallone rocked that ending hard.
The reason for the harshness of Bootcamp is to maintain a constant high stress environment. Because a Marine needs to be able to operate when most people would want to curl up into the fetal position.
Singing Cadence, among other things,is to force the recruit to breathe. It is a fact that some recruits forget to breathe while trying function under stress.
I hate for you to think this movie was so “realistic”. It is written from a very anti- military point of view.
That’s not to downplay its importance though. When I served and attended tech school you would be hard pressed to walk through our dorm and not find guys watching it.
Ok, the two of you are younger and i see that. You never heard of Ann Margaret? Some of the other host(s) of YT movie reaction channels state that they have never heard of John Wayne?!
War is brutal, merciless and cold. So the movie is brutal, merciless and cold. No hero to celebrate and no sympathy to give away - just the mere attempt to get through this "world oft shit" halfway alive.
Some people didn´t like the movie because of this but I think it describes the unforgiving reality much better than most war pictures.
The songs they sing, while marching and running are called "cadences." Every American military branch sings them. They are often used to help pass the time, when marching from one place to another ..... Especially, if the places are far apart from each other. There are standard cadences, and there are free-form cadences. The drill instructors will usually use the standard cadences, but often, the drill instructor will let volunteers sing cadences. The best ones are the ones that are comical, and the ones made up from popular songs of the day (My Air Force boot camp was back in 1977). We had one guy in our flight turn a rap tune into a cadence (This was before rap became widely popular)! We also had one sicko in the flight who made up cruel disgusting cadences. One of his went like this .....
Birdie, birdie
In the snow
A broken wing
And a broken toe
Took him home and fed him bread
Then, I squished his little head
Was I right or wrong (Everyone: You're right)
Correct me if I'm wrong (Everyone: You're right)
Was I right, was I wrong
Was I right or wrong (Everyone: You're right)
Count it on down now (Everyone: 1-2-3-4 ..... 1-2 ..... 3-4)
Nice movie reaction! I was serving on active duty when this movie came out in 1987. The chants are referred to as "Jodies" which are a type of military cadence while marching as a large formation during close order drill. The term Jodie has another meaning. It's a lowlife civilian who for whatever reason doesn't serve, stays at home and keeps the G.I.'s wife or girlfriend "company" while he's away peforming his duties. Some marching cadence Jodies can be vulgar and quite humorous too. It also helps build esprit-de-corps and morale binding the members of the formation together. The whole purpose behind close order drill is to motivate the members of the unit who come from all walks of life and different parts of the country, to perform as a team, a unit. When every member flawlessly executes each drill command together, it looks professional and 'on point.' Looking forward to more reviews. Thanks a bunch!
This was supposed to be 67/68. My father was there during the Tet Offensive. He was in a tank. Rough time to be over there.
That was a great reaction - calm, insightful, open-minded, understanding. Nice job, guys.
Back in the day, we literally used to sleep with our rifles! 😂 We locked them to our racks though.
We sung the Marine Corps Hymn everynight at taps, if we screwed up we didn't cause we didn't rate too, once when we were being a little too loose that DI actually ordered us to attention and shouted Secure the Happiness!!😂they aint songs, they are Cadence Counts😂if you are "singing" together theres a good chance your steps are in cadence with the "song".
Pull-ups with the palms facing outwards, away from the body, is more difficult than the other way around.
I have never seen two more clueless people react to this film, and I've watched many reactions on here.
There was a major problem the soldiers in nam had that you guys don’t seem to know. You’re both younger so I understand. I guess history class isn’t what it used to be to! Anyway, our soldiers wore uniforms In accordance with the rules of war. In Vietnam, the enemy did not always wear one, so you never knew who the enemy was. So, just as my dad told me and did, you decide if you want to take chances with your life or not. Then you do what you have to do to make sure you get home. You can think that’s horrible, that’s ok, but remember they chose to not wear uniforms and to blend in with the general population. They brought it upon themselves civilians, not the soldiers.
This movie came out around the same time as other very well know Vietnam war “tribute” movies. My dad could watch them all, except for this one because of the beginning. He said that Kubrick did too good of a job showing exactly what it was like. The movie “Platoon” was hard for him too, but he made it through.
The words are hard by today’s standards, but the norm then, don’t forget that. Some things today are “devastating” for people to hear, they don’t seem to understand that words are wind, nothing more. Notice too, the white guy that said that to the black guy ragged on him all the time. The black guy would just blow him off and say “yeah whatever”, and then they went on. Notice when the black guy got shot, that same white guy didn’t want to leave him out there, then disobeyed a direct order to go out to get him. Words are wind, nothing more.
People today are way too soft and sensitive to things that are of zero consequences to them in their real lives. That, along with revisionist history has made this country into a place I can barely recognize. Just remember this, how will you all like it in 30 years and some revisionist looks back on words you think nothing of today, and want to crucify you for saying something that was the norm of the day. That’s exactly what anyone over 40 lives with every day now.
I think you guys missed something about the character Joker. He was sarcastic…a lot! He was making those comments to the news cameras to be a smart ass, he meant the exact opposite.
The guy in the helicopter said “you just don’t lead them so much”. When shooting at a target at any real distance, if the target is moving, you have to “lead” the target. You have to shoot where you think the target will be when the bullet gets there. So the longer the distance, the more you have to lead, the same can be said for a faster target. Women and children being slower than men, he didn’t need to lead them as much, if that makes any sense.
Oh, one last thing, just little nip picky but it is to help you in the future. The thing Pyle was loading ammo into while in the bathroom was NOT a “clip”. That is a magazine. A magazine holds the entirety of the ammunition. A clip is a “C” shaped piece of, almost always, metal. It holds ammo by the rim at the back only, the rest of the ammo is just hanging out. You use them to basically “speed load” a, usually, non-removable box magazine. Some weapons hold the clip inside and eject it after firing the last round, others let you just push the ammo down into the magazine and then toss the clip.
Sorry, if anything comes off as harsh. I’m good at doing that even if I don’t mean it that way. It’s all meant to be helpful.
The training camp was at Bassingbourn barracks in Cambridgeshire UK 🇬🇧
Yes President Johnson said that the Americans would not fight in the war but they still went any ways
You draft a man who is actually not suitable for military service but Minister Robert McNamara started Project 100000. Through this project, men were drafted who were neither physically, mentally nor psychologically suitable. Then you meet these men who are actually not in the service should be, to shouting noncommissioned officers who don't understand or don't want to understand that you should never treat these men like that. The result is two deaths. One of them is a person who has simply been “broken”. Statistics on the 100,000 show what a mischief has been caused. “Congratulations” on this “achievement”.
McNamara's Morons is what my father called them
60 - 66 AF ✌️🍻
This was in the early 70s. A lot of that treatment wouldn't be allowed today.
In some instances they were justified in killing children. The VC would strap bombs to children and have them run into a big group of soldiers and then detonate the bomb. The girl killed at the end was probably about 12 so again the VC used children to snipe and kill soldiers.
The vc didnt straped bomb into children they recruted child soldiers who used explosives and usa was doing the very same with its south vietnamese and montanhnard alyes the first even producing little uniforns for little children to use
Critique: I like your reactions but I think you two talk over the dialogue of the films too much.
If you are going to war and something as minor as harsh language can set you off you will not last a day on the battlefield! going thorough basic training make your body and mind HARD! So you can focus on the REAL problems and maybe come home in the end.
in my platoon we had a recruit leonard and he was worse than pyle like its clear that he was insane and he was sepped during mct
The next Vietnam war movie I suggest you watch is We were soldiers with Mel Gibson or platoon with Charlie Sheen or casualties of war with Michael j. Fox and Sean Penn
In the helicopter when joker asks how can you shoot women and children he responds “you just don’t lead em so much.” This refers to the fact women and children are generally slower than men. When a target is running you have to aim slightly ahead of them (lead em) so they are effectively running into your shot. It’s a twisted joke.
Cruel? They're training killers. Cruelty is hardly a threat compared to what many will experience.
15:13 That magazine that Pyle pulled out still had live FMJ rounds in it and the sarge didn't notice. That's how he got them back to use later on. I've read that R Lee Ermey came up with about 150 pages of documented insults.
Leonard had to go to a special place in his mind to survive
R Lee Army was also in Texss Chainsaw and private Pyle is onlawn order
I recommend "The Siege of Firebase Gloria" R. Lee Ermey. 1989.
type in "hard work" cadence. There's a video of a SGM running a platoon. Really good.
Like Both of You..BIG FAN OF JAMIL. He seems like such a good person.. He strikes me as a College Professor or A teacher of some sort. Thanks for the reactions..
no reason to think this surreal movie is the most accurate depiction of the vietnam war.. aside from hipsters hearing that it was
An excellent film but the war end of things is not accurate. Kubrick was afraid of flying, so it was filmed in London. Paths of Glory, 2001 and Barry Lyndon are Kubrick's best films. The Drill Sergeant scenes make this film reaction friendly but in totality it's one of his poorest films. Of course, the man was a genius so even his lesser films were better than 90% of everyone elses..
The "marching songs" are called Cadences.
They are all real cadences that are used in The Army too.
"1917" is another great war movie.
I'm pretty sure my mom taught Gunnery Seargent Hartman everything he knew.....
Hello, if you don’t mind, can you do a movie reaction on a movie called, 1492: Conquest of Paradise.
Adventure/Drama (1992). It stars Gérard Depardieu, Siqourney Weaver, Armand Assante. It portrays a version of the travels to the New World by the Italian explorer Christopher Columbus and the effect this had on indigenous peoples.
Directed by Ridley Scott.
Are you sure you want to see this? When you see what happens to Pyle you definitely will not expect it.... Trust me.
That scene was TRAUMATIC and Terrifying. We did not expect that to happen.
@@MovieNightReaction The drill sergeant is going to make someone snap.
This is a great movie but the most realistic Vietnam movie is platoon. It’s always kind of funny when people who watch historical movies whether true or exaggerated don’t have any clue about context. Amazing how uninformed people are. You were surprised about the news department probably pushing a narrative. Geeze don’t you see the media doing it today with their political narrative. The Surfin’ Bird Song was done by The Thrashmen. You guys seem nice enough but after watching a couple of your reactions, I have to agree with the consensus that you talk over way too much. I know you have to do commentary but lighten it up some.
He's Not racist
He discriminates Equally
Blanket parties (the soap in the towel scene) are certainly not condoned by the Marine Corps. Not when I went though MCRD San Diego in 1989, or even back during Vietnam...but it certainly is amazing how much better recruits perform, that may or may not had one in the dark of night after the overnight Drill Instructor is sleeping. Just sayin'....wink wink
There's a term for it, I'm sure someone will mention it here in comments, but mental and physical standards were dropped during that time to draft more people in who had no business being part of the military.
Recommend reacting to "We Were Soldiers"
True story from 1965 battle in the Ia Drang Valley.
Taken from the book by Col. Hal Moore and journalist Joe Gallowoway
They are in boot camp to become Marines, not soldiers. Soldiers serve in the Army.
If you have not already, please react to Platoon, Blackhawk Down Outpost and Zero Dark Thirty.,
Yall are way too soft for this movie haha
>yall
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@@winstonmarlowe5254 wtf you talking about? You are the lgbt home oh
@@wonderweasle2212 Clever comeback, Jed!
@@winstonmarlowe5254 weirdo
@@winstonmarlowe5254 jed isn't even a word
Army issue camera; you just go request a new one.
I can only speak from post-Vietnam US Navy.
1. There are always more than one CC in boot camp (at least in the Navy) where partially recruits can't be abused. Verbal abuse is one thing but physical was a NO GO.
2. Vincent D'Onofrio played the Bug in "Men in black", and had to put on 50lbs for this role
3. Hardman was out of control. Others outside his recruits would have noticed and he would have been held accountable.
4. "I don't know, but I've been told. Eskimo pussy is mighty cold." was used in my Navy recruit company in 1981.
5. In the US Navy real live ammo was always accounted for, and Pyle wouldn't have had it on his person in the head.
6. The lights in the head are always lit. (lighting I suspect).
7. "Blanket parties" were a real deal. We didn't have one because we didn't have a Gomer Pyle.
8. The hooker in Saigon is just distracting them so the motorcycle guys can steal the camera. I saw that happen in the Philippines.
9. "I wouldn't shit you, you're my favorite turd" I've used that before.
10. Even by Hollywood standards, Kubrick went overboard with excessive bloodletting.
I hate ANYONE that’s skips the beginning!!!
Hey movie night reaction great reaction anyway can you please react next time to the war movie the outpost(2019 based on the afghanistan war)?
sgt hart man was in the military
You called these guys soldiers none of them are soldiers. This is supposed to be the Marine Corp. and they are Marines, not soldiers. A Marine would be offended to be called a soldier.
Who is Ann Margaret. Bye
Ooh rah. Semper Fi till I die. This movie is perfect and teaches normies how the corps work. War is hell
The ending scene was total crap! You will never sing cadences at night in a war. That's definitely a good way to die, especially at night.
please remember this is a movie. just saying.
Y'all Aren't/Can't Listen or Learn because
You're talking over most of the video
Marines not soldiers lol 🤙