Therapists Review Disney Relationships, from 'Frozen' to 'The Little Mermaid' | Vanity Fair
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- Relationship therapists Laura Heck and Zach Brittle discuss the relationship tropes and themes seen in Disney movies like ‘Frozen,’ ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs,’ ‘The Little Mermaid,’ ‘Beauty and the Beast’ and ‘The Incredibles' and explore ideas like "be who you are" and "love at first sight."
Laura Heck and Zach Brittle are certified Gottman therapists and relationship experts. As public speakers and authors, respectively, their insights on therapy have reached the masses. Check out the institute they're a part of and their Marriage Therapy podcast at the links below:
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I love that she said adults should apologise to children. I feel like so many adults don’t act as well as they make their children do
Agree to this. Also, parents and adults model their behaviour to their kids or other children, even if it's unintentional. A parent can tell kids to apologise, be polite, don't scream etc. but if their kids are seeing their parent be aggressive to other adults, the kids are going to be perceptive to that. Actions speak louder than words.
Oh my gosh yes. I think some parents get a weird power complex and think apologising to their child is going to undermine that. Sometimes just gotta be the bigger person, cos for sure the 5 year old is not going to be :P
It was about a couple of months when I turned 19 that I actually realized that I had never heard my mother apologize to me or my father ever, for anything. It's amazing how often that happened with past generations but thankfully I see that today's parents of young children apologize to them, even in public!
@@Mettephobicemily I am 26 and I ve never hear my mother apologize to me about anything ever. Sucks and is messed up.
yeah :(
They missed out on one of the best Disney couples: Rapunzel and Eugene.
So many of us are commenting this and BEGGING for it in a part 2... 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
Rapunzel and Eugene are probably the single best couple in all of Disney, but a lot of their relationship happens in the animated series, not in the movie.
That's because they are one of the few functional relationships. They don't need therapy!
I also missed that they didn’t say anything about Tiana and Naveen
Only reason I clicked on the video lol and they didn’t even do it
I love how he's like 'she should just marry a dwarf, they knew her better'
and she said "...she should have all sevens if she wants,, polygamy, polyamorous..."
After I finished Fables i cringe everytime i hear "dwarf" and "Snow White" in one sentence...
I screamed, she was like 14 but I think they weren't given that information 🤮
Lol. That's what happened in Red Shoes. Watch that. It's much better and puts a lot more character into Snow White. Instead of being a rug before a fireplace, waiting for someone to sweep her, Red Shoes does it herself.
She is plump and she knows that no one would help her if she stayed that way. So she wears a pair of magical shoes that make her beautiful but in the end she realizes that it's not really her (this happens somewhere in the middle of the movie) and she takes off her shoes. The dwarves save her, not because of her physical beauty but for her inner beauty. The moral of the movie is a good one that teaches the younger generation that they don't have to be beautiful on the outside to be loved and plump or ugly people are not the villians.
That's very much unlike the moral Disney movies gives children.
@@jauxro I mean she marries that stranger at the same age too, so...
The thing I think a lot of people miss about Ariel in the Little Mermaid is that the driving factor to become human is NOT the prince. Ariel loves the human world before she ever sees him, and he provides a good place to run away to when her father gets angry and emotionally manipulative and destroys her stuff. She isn't desperate enough to do anything drastic until that happens.
That.Nutmeg.Girl yes yes yes!! It is ultimately her father’s actions that drive her to make that sacrifice instead of figuring out a way to continue to enjoy the human world without sacrificing a major part of herself.
Or that Andersen was simply writing a horror stories for children, including Ariel...
Thank you! I’ve been saying that forever!!
oh my god thank you!!!! i heard what they said in the video i couldnt disagree more!!! im so glad im not alone!
Thank you. And this is why it's my favorite Disney movie. It's somewhat relevant to teenage into adulthood years.
Anna has been in quarantine for 13 years... after 3 months of not leaving my house I get why she was so desperate for a relationship lol
is your house a gigantic mansion palace with endless rooms and endless pictures?
Mine Akpotu Alone is alone, no matter the size of the house we can all get stir crazy
@@Random_news999 and it lacks of PEOPLE that's the point. UGHHHHHHHHHH
What about rapunzel? She was trapped in a tiny tower anna at least had servants haha
igetrealpettysis that was what she grew up with, both Anna and Rapunzel, so yes it was lonely however, for real people who had the whole world to explore whenever they wanted, to now be confined to wherever you live, it’s very hard for some, if you live in rural areas it’s easier, because you can leave your house and not come into contact with people, but got those in places like NYC or LA, they have no where to sneak off to, this is all for the greater good but at least with Anna and Rapunzel, they were raised like that, so it seems less crazy for them
The fact that Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs is almost 100 years old is kind of breaking my brain a little bit
Shabab Haider it’s 83 honey
Queen Potens pretty close
Snow White was 14 too. Absolutely wouldn't fly these days. How times have changed
@@wolfferoni EXACTLY! PAEDOPHILIA WHO?! I know times were different those days and people didn't know children cannot consent or didn't realize that it's a paraphilia, still doesn't make it any less creepy in our modern times. It's creepy AF. As much as I LOVED Disney growing up, now, it makes me realize how creepy Disney movies are! 💀
I know, it was the very first movie of it's kind, an absolute masterpiece that paved the way for all the animated movies made afterwards. They pretty much invented animation for this movie (before which it was b&w silly symphony type animation). Technically speaking it was absolutely flawless and has aged incredibly well. As for the story, take it as you will, but there are also many strong moments there too, especially for the time that it was made in.
I blame the parents in frozen, Elsa never wanted to shut Anna out. Elsa was also pretty traumatized.
@@idontevenhaveapla7224 They decided this After 10 YEARS of trauma, wtf where they thinking
The parents had even been warned by the trolls not to do it and then did it
Troll: Elsa needs to learn how to control her powers
The parents: So lie to her sister, isolate her in a room, and teach her to conceal her powers? Got it
@@unicornbarfingrainbows7599 pretty much 🤷🏽♀️
Their dead
Was anyone else mind blown by that Hans glove analogy? I’d never noticed that
valeria g, I was. I hadn’t noticed it before either but now it makes so much sense!
I didn't notice either!
I remember reading elsewhere that “gloves off” is a common reveal technique in theater.
Yes!! I’ve been deep diving into this movie and I NEVER noticed this! Brilliant
The mouse has some skeletons in the closet it seems...
I’d love to see this done with Rom Coms. I find many of them so deeply toxic
Examples? I'm fascinated. My absolute favorites are You've Got Mail, While You were Sleeping and Kate & Leopold and I'll fight people that say they're bad movies. xD not a threat though! Just my examples for good romance.
Inu pretty woman!! I honestly cannot believe people watch that and think it’s heartwarming 😂 it’s so toxic.
@@XOLorena haven't seen that movie actually ^^;; but now I should so I can see what you mean.
YES
the entire show of crazy ex girlfriend seems to dissect that toxic culture if you are looking for it done in a really entertaining way.
We need a second episode with:
Tiana and Naveen
Jasmin and Aladdin
Rapunzel and Eugene
Hercules and Meg
I'd also add Tarzan and Jane to that mix
God I would love to hear them talk about meg projecting her past relationship fears on her current unrelated relationship
Merida and herself :3
Mulan and Shang
Yes!!
Is it me, or are her eyes almost as big as a Disney Princesses' eyes? Fascinating.
Actually, I think she looks like a live version of Elsa.
Elsa grown up.
So beautiful
@@acecat5575 she reminded me of Anna more
Chasmodius you don’t think....
Elsa wasn't being a jerk she was being honest to her sister because she didn't want her sister to make a bad decision based off her emotions.
Yeah, but her delivery of it, especially in public was kinda jerkish.
i feel like frozen is good with seeing more things after you're older and less like Anna but more like Elsa.
And Anna was a jerk right back, throwing a very public tantrum and dissing her newly crowned queen. Obvious those girls didn't know how to behave in public!
@@chriscurley7977 Anna was just hurt because she thought she finally found someone to be with her. She's just so incredibly lonely that she's not thinking clearly. And when you're going based off of your emotions and someone tells you what you are doing is wrong sometimes you lash out. That doesn't mean she was being a jerk.
That is sooo true!!!!!
Even as a kid it bothered me that we never got to see these relationships after they were married. It was like starting the engine but never watching the car drive off.
BlankCanvas88 ummm the little mermaid 2 return to the sea. You see that they have a healthy relationship but not with their daughter cause they’re being overprotective (Ariel’s father was a type of toxic overprotective)
Aladdin 2 shows their relationship isn't that great.
The sequels are just really bad most times and people forget about them.
there is a song by the french group telephone. It doesn't end well. The name of the song is Cendrillon.
That's what all the straight-to-video sequels were for.
I mean we saw it with Aladdin and Jasmine (I usually dont count with the Jafar movie but with the 40 thieves one), Little Mermaid 2, TLK 2, Pocahontas 2 (for all its issues she!! Doesnt marry!! Her original love interest!! It completely threw me off as a kid and opened my eyes a lot!), Cinderella 2 & 3, Mulan 2, etc. Just cause people tend not to like the disney sequels (I grew up on them so it's hard to dislike them) doesnt make them non-canon. Heck, Ariel develops a rather protective parenting style with Melody because of her father's influence! I dont think he was toxic to her and I dont think Ariel was toxic to Melody, but its fascinating how both were motivated by fear and ended up making such similar mistakes. Happens irl all the time!
Interesting thing I found out about beauty and the beast. Blue is considered good which is why belle wears blue and red is bad which is why Gaston wears red and the beast starts in red but transitions to blue by the end of the film to show how he changed as a person
Kat Morris that’s really cool!
@Kat Moris Yeah, it also represents certain emotions in roses as well. Red means love, longing, desire, regret and sorrow, while blue ones are more akin to unrequited love, and the same for hearts; red can represent all of those above, but blue is a sign of respect.
Yup colour theory depends on characters, but here red means DANGER and blue means innocence/sweetness.
*runs to watch it again*
Holy cow, I never noticed that! That's so cool!
I don't think King Triton gets enough credit here. Girl was 16, getting herself into dangerous situations going up to the surface, risking getting caught by fishermen, or whatever a mermaid risks co-mingling with humans (see every mermaid movie ever) and refusing to listen to reason and those who knew better. She was being an irrational teenager so he had to put up some hard boundaries when she wouldn't listen. Even after he flipped out he felt remorseful, and if my memory is right he wanted to apologize. I think he acted the way a responsible father of a 16 year old should act the entire movie, up until he encouraged her to leave her family and entire life and marry some dude she barely knew.
Yes. But also people tend to misinterpreted Ariel as if Eric was her only objective in life. Similar to Cinderella, she wanted to see the world, to know more.
Thank you!!!!!
That’s true but I also think the father was a jerk he literally destroyed all her things that she considered precious, triton knew Ariel had a fascination with the human world and he kept telling her “humans are dangerous, don’t get close” but he never explains to her why, he only ordered her. is like when parents order you not to do something and they never explain why they expect you to follow it without questioning it, if they only explained maybe that would help their kids to think and not to turn them into soldiers when they grow into adulthood
@@melobski4 don't get me wrong Lara, I see what you are saying, he could have been more detailed when talking about his fears about humans.... But you can see since the beginning that he is saying all of these things cause he loves her, even after their conversation she still decided to go and see Eric, I mean, maybe he wasn't the best at explaining things, but she wasn't the best listener too, and I never doubted of his love for her, while sometimes I feel like Ariel really didn't love her family, she was ready to give up on her family in a second, that was a bit drastic to me
Roberto Canu I believe so too she was so focused on what she wanted that she couldn’t or didn’t want to realize how things were
Yes adults should apologize to children. My parents never did and honestly to this day I have a lot of resentment towards them for it. I try as much as possible to apologize to any child in my life if I'm in the wrong.
Society makes parents think they are untouchable and never wrong I am so sick of this
I find it really hard to apologise to other because of this.
@The TinyWitch: So much this! Role-modelling the behaviour you want to see is one of the best ways to teach kids! If you want them to be accountable for their mistakes, you need to be accountable for yours.
Yeah. My parents have apologized to me if they lash out at me, and yell at me.
Your a king but sorry you went through that
Tangled and The Princess & The Frog have some of the best romances in Disney tbh
Edit: Anna and Kristoff are so good together as well
Anna and Kristoff too tho
Reindeer guy 😂
Ohhhh tiana and navieen are my favorite ❤️
@@keishafoster4432 yh an evaluation of them would be great, because they hated each other at first
don't forget Aladdin and Jasmin they were great too
I've been arguing against the idea that beauty and the beast is an example of Stockholm syndrome for a while now, I'm glad I was validated by these pros! Better examples for SS are Rapunzel and The Hunchback of Notre Dame since the victims are being gaslit by their captors and have been convinced that they are imprisoned for their own safety. The moment Belle chooses to bring the beast back to the castle, she is no longer a prisoner imo, since she returns of her own accord.
Right?? Exactly what I've thought for years!
Lindsay Ellis has a video about how Beauty and the Beast isn't stockholm syndrome. Would recommend.
Of course, there’s the entire issue of dissecting these films sociologically, when they are archetypal stories and symbolic.
I would say maybe not Stockholm syndrome given the context and the era in which the story was told. But were the story to make the nightly news today, it would be difficult to argue against Stockholm syndrome. Yes, she willfully returns to the castle, but not before risking her safety and her life to try to leave (entering a fierce storm, being chased by wolves). I think she returns because of the Ben Franklin effect and because she is a kind person who realizes that if the beast dies then the entire castle is doomed to an otherwise amenable fate. We can argue that it is or isn't Stockholm Syndrome, but I would argue that even in the best scenario, the principles of the syndrome did in fact play a part in the outcome to some degree. One thing we could ask is "would Belle, specifically, have fallen in love with Beast/Prince Adam had he not held her captive in a hostage situation?"
Stockholm Syndrome isn't even real, the woman the research was based off of had never even MET the man who decided she had fallen in love with her captor. He had simply assumed that the fact she couldn't leave meant she didn't want to.
I realized Belle is like the nerd and the Beast is like a jock in every old movie
It's more the opposite because the nerd is usually undesirable and the jock is usually popular. Belle is the beautiful girl who guys pine after and the Beast is the social outcast. Belle's personality matches up with a classic nerd character and the Beast's personality matches up with a classic jock character, but their situations don't.
@@nadiamozerhusain4259 True, and the beast's situation was changed because of the curse.
@@nadiamozerhusain4259 but the villagers kinda hated her and viewed her as this very weird girl. People were even surprised that Gaston wanted to marry her.
@@fabreo4041 The first thing they say about Belle is that she's beautiful.
@@nadiamozerhusain4259 Yes but she's still considered as strange.
"How did she put him on that horse?" I'M DYING XD
"she's up on adrenaline."
Is there a fan art of this?
I know it kinda ruins the scene. But the image of Belle carrying the beast on to a horse is funny.
SWOLE BELLE HOURS
That's why i really like this scene in action movie where they fixed the problem. Belle simply encourages the Beast to stand up.
The horse set down and she pulled his body over and then the horse rose up.
I was thinking that too when I first watch the animation.
I would have been curious to see your interpretations on disney's take on platonic friendships between men and women, mainly in Moana and Hunchback of Notre Dame
imagine talking about Nick and Judy without thinking about the strange implications that come with that potential relationship
Amalphia Tales omg, it's beautiful the message, but at the same time is kinda creepy
@@littlemothbigwings6765 I feel a lot of chemistry between them and so it makes me frustrated that I can't be too hardcore on shipping them knowing that shipping them makes me a furry, and I'm not a furry
fr, Hunchback is one of the few Disney stories where the hero doesn't "get the girl" Quasi and Esmeralda relationship was really deep
@@yakuzamoons Yeah, when I was younger I didn't get it and thought he deserved Esmerelda. But now as an adult, I'm all, "Actually, she's being wise here. She's the only woman he's really interacted with, ever, and he has a lot of growing up to do. It should not be incumbent on her to wait for that process."
If there is going to be an episode 2 please include Tangled
YES PLEASE. I want a Rapunzel/Flynn analyzation A LOT even though Belle/Beast are still my favorite...and I was hoping for that here, but I'll happily take a part 2 with "Raflynnzel"
YES the TV series of Tangled expands on their relationship even more, they even have disagreements and healthy resolutions, I just admire Rapunzel & Eugene so much gAh 😍😍😍
Lara I could go ON about this...if Belle/Beast are my #1, “Raflynnzel” is my solid #2. I know the movie so well, that I don’t watch it often anymore, but every time I do, I always forget how much of a stupid smile they put on my face! They’re such an endearing “ship” 🥰🥰
Their chemistry is palpable, it’s clear they change each other for the better without having to try TOO hard, and because of that their adoration for each other is just as palpably thick, you can cut it with a knife! I’ve been watching the series, I had to start it over (long story) but when he thinks he was the one who turned on her, it KILLS him...like, UGH MY HEART
And Princess and the Frog
and mulan
Please analyze Hallmark relationships. Too many girls fall in love with narcissistic idiots who treat them rudely in the beginning.
r/niceguys?
Kissing booth
Hallmark makes greeting cards? What relationships?
@@kosmoboo hallmark has a tv channel which makes white-woman-wish-fulfillment-movies
Also Lifetime movies
thank you for not saying belle suffered stokholm syndrome, it’s very much the beast who changes out of genuine love for someone like Belle who is beautiful in every way of her character
And a good giveaway is that Bell doesn't put up with Beast's attitude. and she doesn't even start to like him until after he's shown her some respect and because they are now on equal ground.
I would have liked to see them review the relationship between Aladdin and Jasmine.
same here
Same
Also Shrek, 1 and 2 both, because it shows that before/after marriage part too.
Well the nice thing with Aladdin and Jasmine is they aren't married at the end of their movie. It's like the 2nd or maybe even 3rd (need to watch again) before they are.
@@THEATERLOVER14 It's the third, they even sing about "finally getting married" lol but this way Aladdin's dad is there for the wedding, so it's nice.
There’s a theory that the prince is actually an Angel of Death, Snow White never really revives and he takes her to Heaven. Given we never hear her speak again after she “wakes”.
Tawnie I love that theory!
I like that too.
Woah🤯🤯
That's a much more pleasant intrepretation than "Wives in that time were to be seen and not heard."
Two words: Corpse germs 🦠
"It's so important for adults to apologize to children." YES YES YES. I feel like adults care too much about their pride or something to apologize to a kid, but it can do so much for your relationship with your kids if you admit you did something wrong and apologize.
In Beauty and the Beast, the “Something There” sequence shows a change of seasons with winter going into spring so we know at least several months passed for the two characters to develop loving feelings due to the Beast showing change over time.
I remember reading somewhere that the prince in Snow White was supposed to have a bigger role but they struggled with animating him and that's why he only shows up twice. They did release comics though that showed the role he was meant to play.
wow
Gabrielle where did you find that info?
@@user-jm6cl6fj1l I'm not exactly sure where I first heard it but it's mentioned on this Disney Wiki page: disney.fandom.com/wiki/The_Prince , and talked about on the Walt Disney Family Museum website: www.waltdisney.org/blog/unusual-suspects-prince
I love that they FINALLY broke the stigma of Beauty and the Beast.
I love that this video highlights the fact that two therapists can have completely different insights and opinions because I think often times when people start therapy they think counselors are all going to behave the same.
This is also why a lot of times they don't give personal opinions, but rather let you come to your own conclusions and then they help you with the tools to change what you've decided to change.
I reallllllly want a Disney movie where the lead, male or female, already has a healthy, communicative relationship with good foundations, and they have an adventure together or there's a conflict and it's sweet because they protect and support each other, and there's no relationship drama. Ugh, give me this!!! Obviously the Incredibles is one, but since they're under so much stress, and as Parents, there is some drama, but it resolves. Loved that movie!
101 Dalmations' Pongo and Perdy is a good example, and so are Dory's parents, Mulan's parents, Aristocats' Thomas O'Malley and Duchess turns into a good one, so does Lady and the Tramp, Emperor's New Grooves' Pacha and Chicha, Merida's parents, Meet the Robinsons, and others I'm sure. Most are not the centers of their stories though, and while they're excellent examples of healthy relationships I wanted more MC to show how you don't have to fall in love with the first guy you meet, and it doesn't have to be huge and dramatic; it can be quiet and soft and sweet, with good communication and healthy boundaries. Trust, taking strength in your partner, etc.
That being said, while Princess and the Frog and Tangled (and probably others) are good starts to a relationship, I just wanted a movie that isn't a meet-cute, and is instead an established relationship.
Oh yeah? Meet the Robinsons.
@@savvivixen8490 A very strange, though funny, story. Okay, I should've said: GIVE US MORE.
rapunzel?
@@stinkabatz9965 how did they not have drama?? Granted it was forced by someone else but still. Plus, they just met. I want a couple who has been together for years at the start of the movie.
Dancey Johnson meet the robinsons? you’re not gonna get a movie without conflict dude
As a child, I never saw my parents argue.. When I got married it was so weird when my husband and I did. So, when I told my mom that it and she told me that yeah your dad and I argued about it too.. My mind was blown. It was a shock. I then decided that we'll have light arguments in front of my daughter. I agree with your analogy..
Batul Hashim i have this thing with my spouse. His parents never argued in front of him and he hated any kind of confrontation or discussion which I was so used to with my parents. My parents always told me that it okay that parents argue but it doesnt mean anything bad. I kind of appreaciate that
I'm a very "never argue on front of your children" person but seeing your comment has really made me put this belief of mine up to debate. As a child I would presence and hear very violent and heated arguments between my parents, it made me never want to put any kids around me on the same role I once was. At the same time I can't handle arguments very well, even if I'm aware I'm not the best person. Maybe if I had exemples of "healthy arguing" it wouldn't be like that. Interesting point of view...
NO FLYNN and REPUNZEL come on! They were the best couple in all of Disney's line up. Along side HERC and MEG coz that's where betrayel and forgivness is shown.
@@mjbridges I've changed it
Betrayel? Well, Meg didn't actually betray Herc.
@@miamama9886 Oh yeah she was about to and then she changed her mind. But still their love stories had more depth and needed to be talked about.
In the 90's Disney was already doing good job by being progressive but it often overlooked and the 2000nds stuff are mostly looked at for being progressive.
@@kapilthevkanapathipillai6424 The point is, Meg did not betray Hercules. It's Hades realizes Hercules loves her => she is Hercules's weakness.
*Rapunzel 😊
"And I've never seen this in a movie before where an actual couple in a Disney film is fighting."
That's because it's Pixar! They deserve all the credit
I was literally yelling at the screen, "Because it's Pixar! Stop calling it Disney!" It's a huge pet peeve of mine, when people lump Pixar in with Disney. Yes, they're *owned* by Disney, Disney does the distribution and marketing and merchandising, but they're completely different companies with completely different writers, animators, and styles.
I enjoy Disney, but I'm...passionate about Pixar.
Wawagirl17 I’ve always felt the same way! I’m so glad I’m not the only. I just really hate how the companies under Disney are labeled with the umbrella term. They should stand out as individuals and not be called Disney.
The more fundamental problem is, there aren't enough geek therapists who appreciate these nuances!
T ZB agreed!
Thank You! I could not stop saying “It’s Pixar!!!” So frustrating. Not all animations are Disney.
"she's better off marrying one of those guys" I'M BAWLING LMAO. These two are amazing!
I love that they're talking about Disney movies so seriously. Reindeer guy. Yes
In beauty and the beast, the original disney movie, 10 years passed, and the last petal fell on his 21st birthday.
So, yeah. That evil, cruel prince, who turned away a strange hidious women, was 10 going on 11. Just staying.
Fleur_Pouvior lol poor beast, maybe if the lady tried to teach him and raise him better than turn him into a beast he wouldn’t have waisted half his life being depressed and confused and scared. At least he can legally get a beer to celebrate I guess
actually!1!1! the prologue says the rose would _bloom_ until his 21st birthday, meaning it would _start wilting_ after his 21st birthday; that means the rose starts to lose petals _after_ his 21st birthday. if anything, he’s _much_ older than belle, but he also could have been cursed when he was, say, 18; he must have been young, but he also must have been old enough to be _totally_ in charge of the castle. nonetheless, the curse lasted for ten years, so he is, inarguably, older than belle, who was 18 when the events of the movie take place, _but_ he also wasn’t cursed as a young boy of 11. (sorry for the rant; batb is one of my favorites)
Ashleigh Vickery that’s actually very relaxing too know lmao, but sad because she was an adult and chose too do that
you're right; still doesn't excuse what the enchantress did in the slightest since he was still relatively young (presumably between 18-20, since the prologue describes him as "a _young_ prince who lived in a shining castle"), but it does put into perspective how he should have at least known a _little_ bit better lol
oo wow!
I disagree with the little mermaid one. They kept saying her voice was a precious thing to her but was it?? The very first scene she skips out on a concert to look at human stuff. Also she was more sad about not seeing her family then about loosing her voice in poor unfortunate souls. She was fascinated with humans and wanted to study them to the point where she'd risk her life to collect as much human stuff as possible. I think she was headed to try to become human for a while and her crush on Eric is what finally pushed her to go for it.
So true. She loved humanity more than anything, she's was fascinated with humans and the way they lived
What kind of logic is this? Just because she skips out on a concert doesn't mean her voice is not a precious thing to her.
@@miamama9886 Im not saying she didnt like singing, just that she loved humans studies more.
@@nightrain4749 lol, having a voice is not just about singing, her voice is a metaphor for her value. Eric literally said "She has the most beautiful voice"
I agree. Her dad and Eric definitely valued her voice.
I honestly thought they said they’re “certified goblin therapists” and I had zero problems with this.
One plus side is that at least Belle had time to get to know the Beast over time
Kelsey Vandercoy well she was forced to be there...actually kind of like being set up on a date/vacation with the beast
Purple brownies She wasn’t forced though. She volunteered to stay, so her dad could leave. Even if it wasn’t a choice anyone would want to make, it was still a choice. And I’m sure the beast had already wondered if she might be the person to break the curse, so he took her offer.
@@purplebrownie5175 She chose to stay with the Beast. The first time for her dad, the second time after he's attacked by wolves
Ursula’s song explains pretty much everything about what “men on land” want or expect. And tells Ariel that men don’t even like women to speak.
It's sad that that was the most truthful thing Ursula ever told Ariel. Especially in that period of history.
In my family we still to this day reference "BODY LANGUAGE."
@@Melissa-wx4lu in the 1980s?!?
@@franfrankie7 Not at the time of the movie release but at the time the story takes places aka a few hundreds of years ago
@@franfrankie7 The movie takes place in the 1830's
The thing about Disney`s Little Mermaid is that it isn`t really about the guy. She was always hung up about land life. The guy is her gateway to that
Agreed
literally HOW could you do this and NOT discuss rapunzel and eugene. they are so perfect and healthy and compatible in so so so many ways ESPECIALLY if watching the series
I love and enjoy her breakdown montage, she goes through so many thoughts and feelings all at once. And he's so understanding.
The Little Mermaid is considered to be the Disney renaissance, but in terms of relationships it seems like Beauty and the Beast would be the true formulaic transition in how Disney portrays love and relationships in the movies. Belle, Jasmine, Mulan, et al. are able to set boundaries, make compromises, and truly develop with their partners BEFORE their nuptials. I will give that Ariel is the first Disney princess to actively seek out love. She is the first princess to demonstrate selfishness ("I want moooore...") and to proactively seek out her love story.
Never thought of it that way, I like your thinking
Yes! Such a great point. Thank you :)
So the Disney renaissance is in a way carried by strong, powerful women!
Incredibly well said!
I do mostly agree on how the period of strong Disney female characters started with Belle in Beauty in the Beast, but the Disney renaissance isn't classified as the age's main characteristic. The Disney "renaissance" or "re-birth" is referring to the return of the classic Disney style of Animation, songs, and fairytales, which was started by The Little Mermaid. With the help of an extraordinary team (and a brilliant impromptu lecture by the late and great Howard Ashman), the animation department succeeded. Following the success of The Little Mermaid, came Beauty and the Beast, and so on.
I don't think people give ariel enough credit. She wanted to go on land long before eric came into the picture. What finally pushed her over the edge into leaving was to escape her controlling father. Arial actively persues Eric and the two actually date before ursala interferes. They dance, they go only long carriage rides, and go boating.
Arial goes after what she wants and eric come to really like her personality, even when she can't speak.
I was cashiering and a little girl dressed up as Anna came by and I was like "oh are you princess Anna?" And she did the exact same thing he did "AWNA, IT'S AWNA"
My neice did it to me just yesterday. Lol
Anguie Vides So cute 💓
Yeah, I got TOLD years ago by my little cousin, lol.
Cute 🥰, also, I like your profile picture 😉
I want them to say something about Harley Quinn and Joker’s relationship
It would be interesting especially considering the amount of people who think it’s a healthy relationship
@@donaldtusk2678 there are people who think it's healthy???
@@moonwatcher2877 there are INCREDIBLY many girls who idolize their relationship and say stuff like "ReLaShIoNsHiP gOaLs"
@@DeathSurgeonKid everyday I find something new to hate humanity for I swear
oh yikes. do we need a professional opinion to know that it's one of the most unhealthy relationships ever
ARIEL DOESN'T GIVE UP HER VOICE FOR LEGS TO GET A MAN. SHE GIVES UP HER VOICE FOR LEGS BECAUSE SHE LOVES THE HUMAN WORLD!!!!
Seriously there is a whole song about how much ARIEL wants to be on land and ppl still confuse her motivations
YES!! I am sick of people forgetting this major fact! She merely uses Eric to keep her legs..
PREEEEACH!! You can look through the comments bc I’ve said this time and again up in here- if you think Ariel’s story is about changing herself for a man, you’ve not been paying attention.
Preach! It confuses me so much when someone misrepresents this to argue for feminism. It’s more closely aligned to transgenderism, where she feels she belongs in another body.
No, not exactly. She does give up her voice for legs to get a man. She loved human world at first, true (hence the song "Part of your world"), but when she came to Ursula her main motivation was Eric, you can clearly see it in "Poor unfortunate soul", even Ursula says so.
7snowdog Ursula song is manipulative. Just because she said those were the motivations, doesn’t mean they really were. Ariel is young, and young people are vulnerable to making decisions based on the present and not the future. Ursula took advantage, and also rushed her into it. I don’t think Ariel had a chance think it through, and therefore motivations might even be irrelevant in that situation. Just my thoughts! :)
Snow White and the prince didn't have more of a relationship because he was too difficult to animate.
Ash wait really or is this a joke
There was literally no point in analyzing that, it was hilarious! It's literally based on fairy tale tropes, but I'm glad it's here for my entertainment purposes.
@@Bee-nw6df yes. the animators had problems animating realistic men.
Yeah, I can see they struggled
Not really, in the fairy tale (by the Grimm Brothers) which the movie is based on their 'relationship' is the same.
"Have the courage to say no. Have the courage to face the truth. Do the right thing because it is right. These are the magic keys to living your life with integrity." - W. Clement Stone
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The Little Mermaid 2 is actually really good at not only developing their relationships but the characters !! (I know a lot of people don’t like it but I found it really sweet)
as a kid, i preferred the sequel!! melody was great and I loved mom Ariel
Mom Ariel repeated the mistakes of her father by not being transparent about what was driving parental worries. That caused a lot of friction between Triton and Ariel, Ariel and Melody. Although this next point was never mentioned in the movie, in my head cannon, Ariel's mother was killed by humans and that's why Triton is so against the human world. Because he had a kingdom to run and 7 daughters to care for, he probably grieved alone and didn't tell his daughters why he is the way he is. But Ariel sees him as overbearing when he is just trying to protect her. Melody says the same thing about Ariel. If they would just be transparent with each other upfront, their relationships would be much stronger.
@@pnayxkay oh yeah, I’ve never thought about your first point but I completely agree. but also your second point is canon!!! the prequel Ariel’s Beginning has that as a part of the plot, right on the nose actually :)
Watching this reminded me how real The Incredibles actually got, not just as an animated film but as a film in general the conflict and the nuance in the family dynamics were really maturely portrayed.
I mean lets be real, Anna & Hans was not really gonna last long if they had the most spontaneous love connection out of any Disney couples before
O.o all previous Disney love couple was spontaneous, that was the joke. I don't remember which one but I'm sure one of the princes barely says a word and it was called true love.
@@Littlesilvercrow Yeah that's true. But it the sense of the film, one of the therapists was right out of the fact that she had been alone for years without her parents & Elsa being isolated, just Annas part alone was too quick for marriage
@@Littlesilvercrow Aurora
Of course they will cause they had mental synchronization, finish each other sentences and sandwiches, both have been looking for their place
Soooo yeah i still ship them (in order word making hans evil was just an excuse to have a villain in the movie after the writers decide to make Elsa good)
i love Anna she's so sweet
*The fact that I heard his daughter saying "it's not Anna it's ONNAH" when he corrected her, is everything....*
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I apologise to my daughter(8) after every time i yell at her. She is so forgiving, she tells me, " it's okay mamma, i was naughty, and i know you love me."
That is so lovely, sounds like you're a good person raising a good person. :)
i would love to see this with the platonic and familial relationships in disney too! the incredibles with their kids, anna and elsa, moana and maui, etc.!!
ty Onward is about a familial relationship as well. Feel like its forgotten a lot in that regard
"Disney betrayed us... they did it for entertainment" :((
I'm appreciating the abridged versions of each story at the segment starts haha
yes!
13:25
Someone else has finally said it!!! Finally!!! I have been preaching this for god knows how long, and someone else, who is a certified therapist, has said it!! Thank you, Jesus!!
“Love at First Sight” started in the opera scene, duh. Lol At least Disney Princesses don’t kill themselves over a guy they just met like in half the operas out there
The original little mermaid did. :(
@@ketchup016: She didn't kill herself, she died and became foam on the sea. She was supposed to kill the prince, but couldn't make herself to harm him.
@@majagara she.... she did kill herself. Rather than kill the prince to free herself, she threw herself into the ocean to become sea foam.
Please give us more of this! Would love to see therapists cover non-Disney movies as well!
Love the part when she mentions that adults forget to repair with the children!!
But I have to defend the Little Mermaid a bit, Ariel wanted legs long before Eric, as a little girl i saw it as her being willing to risk what's comfortable for her dream, i think Eric was just that last bit of confidence she needed to really motivate her
I just want to say that prince Eric is low key an awesome dude because at that time someone who is mute would probably be thought of as crazy or defunct in some way. He starts to fall in love with her while she is unable to speak so he’s actually pretty cool for accepting someone who is differently abled and not making a big deal out of it. That’s pretty forward thinking of Disney for the times. Also just because u can’t speak doesn’t mean u can’t communicate.
I never thought about it like that!
In the Andersen story he thinks of her with pity. He loves her kind nature and grows close to her, but never in a romantic way. Hence the sad ending, when the prince marries the neighbouring king's daughter. I am still pissed about hoe Disney butchered my favourite fairy tale. Saw a Japanese version when I was about 5 and loved it. Terrified me when the mermaid goes to the witch, cried my eyes out when she became foam on the sea, but still love it.
Maria Gara right which is like a typical response to people with disabilities in the past and why I think it was progressive of Disney to change that narrative. I haven’t read the original story for this one but I usually try to keep the story Disney tells and the source material separate in my head because I know they twist them to be mostly u recognizable.
@@drea4600: People with handicaps were not really treated with pity in the past, but rather with contempt. Thankfully society came a long way since, but people were either locked away, trust to the side and out of the view or paraded as curiosities in freak shows. We don't need to go back far in history to find examples: the Elephant Man is one famous case. Hitler rounded up and exterminatrd the disabled as well. The prince's way of favouring the misfortune girl is actually a proof of his good heart.
Maria Gara that’s true I mentioned a similar concept in my first post when I said they would be looked at as crazy or defunct. In the more recent past there would also have been pity.
Ok but with Ariel, she wanted to be on land way before she saved Eric. I think if Triton had still blown up her human things without her meeting Eric first she still would’ve wanted legs to leave the sea. I don’t think we should diminish her character by thinking that’s the only reason she wanted legs. She loved/loves singing but she wants to explore the human world more. Eric was just kinda something that represented her love for human things and the human world. She saw him as beautiful the same way she thought the human world was beautiful. She didn’t really give up her voice to be human for Eric. I think she gave it up to be human for herself. I think eventually this all would’ve happened with or without Eric. (Sorry this was long. I needed to rant 😅)
that sounds like dysphoria and to her being on land felt more right.
I agree that she definitely longed for the human world before Eric. That much was evident. I think Eric was the catalyst that made her take that final "step" towards wanting to actually be human (as opposed to just exploring or experiencing it). In my opinion, I don't believe she would consider something as drastic as making a deal with Ursula if it weren't for Eric. Eric is what made it worth it for her, I think.
I even think that her voice was not that important to her. At the beginning of the movie, we see that she clearly prefers look for human objects better than singing at her own concert. Sebastian even says that she never comes to rehearsals.
I just dissagree with the whole Ariel thing.
The disney version is all about how Ariel has been fasinated by the freedom of humans, and their world. And when she finally finds love and saves someone, she gets the motivation and takes the chance of true love. She doesn't solely do it for Eric, Its just the push she needed!
Uhmuhh it also really bothered me that they didn’t even mention Ariel and Eric basically went on a date when he showed her the kingdom. They said she gave up the part of her makes her her, but Ariel is more than just her voice, she’s also the traits she showed Eric on their date. And Eric loved it because it was enough to want to be with her despite at that point not knowing if he would ever meet the girl with the voice.
Ariel didn’t fall in love. She like...barely knew prince Eric. It’s marginally better than what Anna felt
True
Disney kind of fumbled that portrayal when they made Prince Eric's love Ariel's goal in order to remain alive
YES OP I so agree with you! Even wrote my own overly long comment about it 🤣 Everyone seems to see what they wanna see when it comes to The Little Mermaid, I am so tired of people saying “sHe cHanGed heRsELf fOr a mAn” because being a human has been Ariel’s dream for a loooong time and she just seized her opportunity when it came along. My takeaway has always been that Ariel’s passion for the human world came before romance with Eric even entered the picture. Her song repeats the lyrics “Part of THAT world” over and over again, but after she rescues Eric, she changes her words to “Part of YOUR world” showing that her dream has now taken a new direction.
@@whatdoyousuppose Thank you Lara!
As a psychology student I can say that I really loved watching this video because you delivered so many important issues about relationships, self-esteem and the fact that you can learn how to love (yourself and another one)! But still, I cannot decide which couple I love the most :)
I really liked this, thou I wish they comented a little bit more in the toxic family relationships, like Belle and Gaston, Snow White and the queen, Triton and Ariel...
Like, they mention it, but I'd like to see that in more detail
Whoa, whoa, whoa, I wouldn't count Triton and Ariel as toxic, especially compared to those other two. They definitely needed help communicating. Probably could have used a good family therapist.
4:25 omg I didn’t realize that parallel! But you’re so right. He’s also wearing his gloves as some kind of mask. That’s mind blowing!
This video should be shown in high school classrooms! Loved it and Ms. Heck looks like a Disney princess herself :)
"How does she load him up on that horse?" 😂😂😂. I ask myself the same question
A horse is able to lie down. She only would have needed to pull him over the horse's back then and not lift his whole body.
As a Disney fan and relationship therapist in training I am so happy
But Eric did like Ariel's voice, to the point where he was obsessed with finding it. Ariel didn't give up her voice because of Eric, she did it because she was manipulated by Ursula. Then, when her voice is gone, Eric falls in love with her anyway. So by the end, Eric is in love with all of her.
Would like them or some other experts to break down the original story of Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella and all of the Grimm brothers tales
Can we talk about how she resembles Elsa!
Vanity Fair: We need a therapist with serious Disney Princess eyes
*Dr. Heck walks into the room*
Vanity Fair: Perfect!
You didn't even do the best Disney relationship, Eugene and Rapunzel!
Ever since I was a kid, I never thought that Snow White and the prince never met before and had love at first sight. I thought they were in love before she became a servant in disguise
I kinda agree, I mean the only reason the Prince barely appears in the movie is because it was way too difficult to animate, but I think there must have been some off-screentime scenes where they met in secret or something...
This is Impressionism.... these retards to have to take everything literally.... her “I want” songs speak to depression era people..... same with Cinderella.... she speaks to post war people.... even Disney Himself loved her cause all the sacrifices he made to get the picture made..... I hate these clowns and their red markers “analyzing”.....
We need a part 2 discussing Cinderella's Prince Charming and his prosopagnosia
Is that the one where you don't remember faces? Lol.
I had to google the word and then I laughed.
I would love to see these two analyse the Muppets' relationships: Kermit, Miss Piggy & Denise, Fozzie & Becky, Gonzo & Camilla, Janice & Floyd.
I really liked the video, but I do disagree a little bit in regards to the little mermaid. Through the movie there is several comments about her voice, and I feel this was intentional, she is praised by her voice. I feel like not having her voice makes her vulnerable, people will be like: "well this is not who is is" but, is that true? No! Ariel is more then just a voice and pretty face. I think the intention behind this act was to prove that you are more then what people make of you, or you even make of yourself at times. Ariel got the prince because of her personality.
Right!? And the only reason she lost his interest in the middle was because Ursula cursed him and used Ariel's voice to lure him away/hypnotize him. Ariel had his heart without her voice and before Ursula's witchcraft.
I would love for any psychologist to analyze Rachel and Ross's relationship. I've always thought Ross was very toxic. If this exist please share
Me too! The way he acted when she got a job was so wildly inappropriate. He was so jealous and possessive and it was her first job actually in the field she wanted to be in but he wouldn't put his own feelings aside. It made me so mad.
He is incredibly toxic. We can also see that he's manipulative and honestly abusive in how he handles their relationship
They did it
Soooo the therapist looks like Elsa. And she is the voice of reason like Elsa. 😂
She looks like Rapunzel to me.
I am glad they noticed how much time actually passes in Beauty and the Beast! She goes to the castle in the summer, it is winter when they begin to fall in love, and it is spring before the movie ends. They spend almost a year together.
As a psychologist myself I think they absolutely nailed it with their detailed and accurate analysis! Great job! 😎👌🏼 Please, more of these movie relationship reviews!
There should DEFINITELY be a part 2 of this!
“Parents need to apologize to kids more often” I wholeheartedly agree with that. Especially when they’re in the teen years. When I was younger, I was expected to apologize all the time, and was treated like a kid but yelled at and expected to be an adult. I’m a single child and I grew up with not many kids around. Everybody always wants things to change for the better but then they hate it when it’s changing in ways they’re not used to. You have to change and adapt with the world and the kids around you. It’s not the other way around.
Really enjoying videos of these therapists reacting to couples in movies! Glad attachment styles were mentioned and the emphasis on repair.
Needs a Part 2. There are a lot more to cover! Loved this!
Wow I didn't even catch that glove symbolism with Elsa and Prince Hans until she mentioned it.
She got cut off discussing polygamy!
Liz McCloskey yeah I was curious what she was going to say. I feel like nothing positive really comes out of polygamy 😂
Polyamory, not polygamy.
Polygamy is a subset of polyamory. Polyandry is the woman with men, Polygamy is the man with women. Polyamory covers them all: a person having more than one partner.
@@eggsnspam Isn't polyamory a situation where everyone's with everyone (A+B, A+C, B+C), whereas in a polyandry/polygamy there's one person having a relationship with several others of the opposite gender who consent to/are aware of this but don't have any bonds between one another (A+B, A+C, A+D, but never B+C, C+D, B+D)? Or do I understand it wrong?
@@kangaroo9816 Polyamory is a catchall term that includes all the cases you mentioned. Some polyamorous relationships have one person who dates multiple others, some have everyone in the relationship dating multiple people. For example, A+B and A+C could be described as polygamy, but it is also an example of polyamory. Another example of polyamory would be A+B, B+C, C+D where B and D aren't in a relationship, but both B and C are dating multiple people, and their partners are okay with that.
It's like squares and rectangles; all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. Polygamy is a specific kind of polyamory, but there are other kinds of polyamory too.
Please do more of these, you two are incredible!
More of this series please! I love to hear these guys talk
She looks like a Disney princess!!
Ariel does not love Erik. She loves the concept of Erik. She loves human trinkets and treasures that she finds in the sea and she wants to learn more; hence why she falls for the the first human male of breeding age she sees. Erik was at least looking for the woman who saved him who he specifically remembers her voice which is why he's bummed when it turns out Areal is a mute, he figures it can't be the right girl. Worst of all Areal doesn't change. She doesn't learn anything. Areal wants something, there are obstacles, she gets what she wants the end. She endangered her father, her family and by extent her entire kingdom just so she could pursue a guy she's never even really met
Please make this a series, I'd love to see more!
These were the best 23 min I've spent on youtube in weeks. Lots of applicable insights. Thanks for making it and I would definitely watch more.
I love Disney. Big Hero 6 and Meet The Robinsons are 2 of my all time favorites. Though my son loves all of the Toy Stories.
I really enjoyed hearing your breakdowns of the "lessons" about behaviors in these Disney films. Also, I really agree with the statement that adults need to apologize to kids. It has been my practice in my classroom, and much more so now that I'm a mom.
Is that the enchanted rose on Zach's background? He must really like the movie.
By the way, a lot of requests for a second part, but mostly princess' movies (not that disagree, i'd love an "Enchanted" review).
However, what about Lady and the tramp? 101 dalmatians? The aristocats? Robin hood? The rescuers? The lion king? I know that I'm sounding a bit furry with my choices, but most animal couples in disney have way more complex relationships than the princesses.
"Love is a skill that can be learned."
This was so much fun to watch; informative and interesting, I really hope there's a part 2 and 3 and 4, and then another series on Rom Coms as well