I actually just had my bike tuned by RVS and had the ECU show up today. I have a 21 DH with the same modifications plus the cat delete and K&N filter. I started off with the DJ tune, but had a terrible part throttle hiccup that wouldn't go away. I tried contacting DJ multiple times with no response back. I finally gave up and contacted RVS and they got me fixed up and now my bike runs amazing now. No more hiccups, smooth linear power throughout the entire rpm range and the throttle response is immediate and snappy. I couldn't be happier.
I actually have a weird hiccup with the throttle on my Scout. Every 50-150 miles I'll grab and it just uh-huh... I can feel it on the tank if my leg is on it. Stalled one time. Bikes got 6500 miles on it.
This is my first send away and ecu flash. I hope that it fixes my throttle lag issue. Why Indian ships bikes that stall off the line is completley beyond me.
Glad to hear your comments on the Challenger stage 2 cams. I have the 116 BBK in both my 2018 Chieftain and my 2019 Chief Dark Horse. The power gains and sound of that kit with the Indian slip ons are unreal. I thought about the cams on my Challenger, but to be honest looking at the HP claims seem very underwhelming. I have the Rinehart slip ons and stage 1 air intake on it and the sound is much quieter than I expected and doesn't really compare to my good ole' air cooled 116's. I'll take your advise and pass on those. I'll also start with the new Indian ECU flash. People so far seem to like it. Thanx for the content dude. Hope to see you on the road at some point.
I did the exhaust first then the stage1 air cleaner and saw and increase, then I did the stage 2 cams. I really did see a big increase and now I did Lloyds tune.
Amazing video Brian That bike is a beast! Plug and play! That’s kind of sketchy jamming all that under your seat but I guess you know what you’re doing. Really loved the scenery while you were talking about the upgrades 🤙👍❤️🔥💯
I imagine my editing skills in your area everytime I watch one of your videos becuase you are getting better every day my man! I'd love to go out there. You have no idea how much i think about a long trip out west
What an amazing video and that bike is a beast. At first I laughed when you said you would be blowing by my road glide but now I understand so please wave 😂
Everyone I’ve spoken to that has tried more than one says the DJ tune is not worth it. There’s very little daylight between the RVS and Lloydz tune so no matter which one you get you will be happy
Greetings from the adventure bike world! Love what you are doing to try and get the most out of the bike. How has it been so far between the stage kit upgrades and ECU flashing? Really sounds like you went through a lot to get the bike to where you want it. I've considered going back to cruisers but am unsure on longevity between this or HD. Thanks!
Actually it’s all been pretty simple TBH. Go back and watch all my videos on getting the Springfield where I wanted it 🤣🤣🤣. I’ve never been more happy with a bike and am loving every minute of this ownership experience.
this bike is so incredible, honestly its like doing 75 on the Springy. I mean I'll NEVER get it going that fast again but the stability makes it a joy to ride at any speed.
Terrific video Brian! That's impressive. And I like hearing what you have to say about the stage 2 cams. That was great, seeing you take the beast up to those speeds. She looked to handle them just fine.
8:21 do I hear a TV playing in the background during your voice-over or are you voicing over your own talking on the video? I'm soooo happy you let this audio error slip through. I feel so happy now.
@@TwoIndians it's payback for you chastising me for setting my clip level at mute during a voice over. I keep forgetting to record some without talking ha ha. Being quiet is not my strength.
Would you say that even with a flash the cost and labor of the Indian stage 2 cams aren't worth it? I only have the dynojet flash and Tab slip ons and have been really curious about the cams.
I have mixed thoughts on it. I’m glad I did them but I can’t quantify the exact gains I got for the money. If you talk to the people at Lloydz or RVS they’ll tell you the gains they’ve measured are minimal in the grand scheme. Since I installed mine before I even picked up the bike and didn’t A/B it I don’t have any espiral evidence one way or the other. I’m eagerly awaiting aftermarket cams
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I just bought a 2020 Challenger with only 2,000 miles. I love this bike! Question - what mods had you done to the engine before you had RVS tune your Challenger? Thanks again for your information!
It's positively sublime. On my Springfield I feel like I'm using a deathr grip holding the thing together with bungie cords and duct tape at 90mph but this thing feels like I'm taking a Sunday stroll for an ice cream cone at 130mph. Its unreal. BTW, this video was shot in Mexico. In case anyone asks
Recent Federal rules regarding Warranty on aftermarket products(including firmware) dictate that warranties cannot be voided u less it can be proven that the alteration had direct causation for a failure. For example, they can’t decline a warranty claim for your clutch cable, brake cylinder, valve train or crankshaft. But if the ECU locks up or the bike won’t run because of it they could make a case for that. True story, my buddy has a Challenger with a Lloydz tune and the bikes rear cylinder stopped firing. First step in trouble shooting was to reflash the ecu to confirm it was not the aftermarket flash. Once they elongated that they worked on it for over a month and then determined it was timing issue and ultimately warantied the problem. BTW, the bike has 40k miles in just under two years and they still covered it. Hope this helps.
Wow that's really good numbers. Road glide limited owner here also. It's stock but I'm happy with the performance for now. Nowhere near your numbers but I will eventually do exhaust, cam, tune etc. Right now my focus is to pay it off. $$$
That’s the best feeling, paying it off! Hey, thanks for watching and thanks for not being the typical Harley owner that comes in here saying shit like “nice Polaris” LOL. I love the RG and was 👌 close to buying one.
Does this tune correct the dreaded cylinder 1 misfire that is pestering some of us that ride in cooler (-25f) weather? Seems the cold air being denser has an effect on the fuel/ air ratio that the original Indian tune seems to struggle with. Just curious what your thought would be on this. Thanks.
Glad you are happy with it Thanks for sharing . I was interested in the Indian cams for mine. I think I will wait too see what becomes available in the future 👍
What is she doing wearing a Indian shirt. She should be wearing a spider shirt.😆😆😆. I loved seeing you two having a good time with one another. That is great. Ride safe.
zero sound imprvement. I wanted that lopey rubmle and it does not have it all but I'm told that has more to do with the engine deisgn and that even an aftermarket cam that the bagger racers are using wont give you that. both Lloydz and RVS are not that impressed with the Indian cams but rigt now there is no alternative yet
@@TwoIndians thanks i really was considering stage 2 for sound .... no sound improvement its not worth the 5k price .. i just need it to rumble but i dont like air cooled engines
If you want rumble on the highway, go with the Sawicki exhaust! I just put it on my Challenger 3 weeks ago and it is absolutely bad ass! Sending my ECU off to RVS tomorrow morning!
If you have not already did so? Get rid of the cat., and install a 2 into 1 exhaust from Bassani. The slip on exhaust mufflers and cat is hurting your performance.
Well aware of all the options although we can debate about whether or not the Cat and headers are hurting performance. Even the guys at Lloydz say there are no performance gains by following your suggestion. I have a full 2:1 system on my 116 Springy. Not against doing it but my concerns are that it would be too loud (yes I’m getting old) and I would need to re-tune again.
@@TwoIndians the only two exhaust systems that I have saw that are available for the Challenger that will make good power is the Bassani and the Sawicki, both 2 into 1. And I am not a fan of the Rush exhausts. Their sound is good, and the finish is excellent. But their headpipe to cylinder head fit is cheap/terrible. And I lost power with them compared to a similar set of exhausts from Vance and Hines on my Harley. And I would lose the cat just for the weight savings and the heat if for nothing else. Thank you for your videos.
Yeah she definitely could have got up to that but I was running out of room to run so I backed it down. I think I was at 5k RPM, somewhere around there. MPG all depends on how hard you are on the throttle I guess.
So the info from these why does Indian say that the challenger has 122 HP and 128 for torque stock , so they lied about the numbers that they put on the brochures!!! 😡
@@TwoIndians I feel that Indian misrepresented the numbers to try and boost the popularity of this bike. I'm waiting patiently for my 22 DH in Black Smoke to come from the factory, but i'm starting to lose faith as it was ordered end Nov 21 and still only sitting at scheduled for the past 4 months nothing. I'm up in Atlantic Canada so I'm thinking that my dealerships priority is way down the bottom of the list. I'd love to be able to contact Indian factory directly to try and get some kind of answer because I feel my dealership is failing and not concerned at all!!!
My cousin has had both lloydz and RVS tune in his bike...he has also had his bike dyno after both tunes and just stick Base tune 105 hp 117 lb ft torque Lloydz 108 hp 114 lb ft torque RVS 112 hp 119 lb ft torque When the RVS tune was flashed in the bike literally wanted to jump off the dyno
@@TwoIndians talking about your handle bars I like the upgrades you have done , I just got a Springfield I ordered the 12 inch but maybe I should have got the 14 of those on yours are 14
Well very few people have the Lloydz cams so I personally wouldn’t know. I am friends with someone that rides with someone that does have them and he believes they are slightly better than his Indian cams. If that’s not confusing enough.
I'm pretty surprised you can feel much of a difference in an 8hp gain on a 850 pound bike. 110 -> 118 is only an 8% gain. I went from about 50hp to 63hp on my 600 pound Vulcan 900 (~25% gain) and I'm fairly strapped to feel a significant difference. It does make a noticeable difference for sure, but it's not like "WOW, that's a huge difference!". Maybe my butt is more numb than yours.
It’s how fast the motor revs, the pull you feel on the bars, the fact you jump off the line instead of just pulling away. Look at the low RPM numbers on the chart for example. From 1000 RPM you’re already starting off way higher than the previous baseline
@@Kcducttaper1 back in "the day" often a tune would have you deciding, "Do you want more ponies at the red line, or more power at the blast off" ha ha. Technology has come a long way. I can remember guys with sport bikes idling at 3k because of the tweeks they had done for more top end.. crazy days.
There Are multiple things I found Harley do to the tuning and Indian right there with them in like a street bike the Complete rewrite of the ECU and unlock things also while smoothing the the Advances in this advances of timing and duration of the injectors and how the Injectors pulsate make a big difference
That’s a camera I don’t use often, the Sony ZV-1, and if you’re running in low light it wants to turn off the stabilization. Not sure why. Honestly I expected it to work. 🤦🏼♂️
This is an often answered question and the answer is, it depends. I mean if my engine starts misfiring or something I’m sure the dealer or Indian might have an issue. But if a fork seal fails or your windshield motor breaks that’s not gonna affect it
@TwoIndians I have a 23 Pursuit ima have 2 change my bars have Dirty Bird Customs up there now but I'm reaching 2 forward so I want something like what U have
Didn't think the 585 cams would fit this challenger motor... I thought the only option was indian's stage 2. I don't care about the warrentee. As long as it's tuned right and rips hard and reliable still
Lids, maybe Advanblack? That’s where I’m getting my tourpack. John Shope may have speaker lids too. Not sure. I’m testing a Custom Dynamics adaptive LED light now and like it so far. Slightly different color but love the patterns it throws. Excellent. I think TLC makes crash bars.
I just did it all at once after 6 months of stock. Pipe,tune,flash,delete and cam. Huge huge difference. My buddy just bought a 131 HD. I'm hoping I can spank his ass????
@@JorgeL1 it has a long list of upgrades and honestly it wasn't real close. Mine just has a cam. But he gets me in 1st gear then just stays bout a full bike ahead of me to 110 then I roll on by. But I mean by 40mph the race is over lol.
There’s a donate button up there. I’d love a decent set of riding pants that I can pull over my jeans in cooler weather. All donations graciously accepted.
I actually just had my bike tuned by RVS and had the ECU show up today. I have a 21 DH with the same modifications plus the cat delete and K&N filter. I started off with the DJ tune, but had a terrible part throttle hiccup that wouldn't go away. I tried contacting DJ multiple times with no response back. I finally gave up and contacted RVS and they got me fixed up and now my bike runs amazing now. No more hiccups, smooth linear power throughout the entire rpm range and the throttle response is immediate and snappy. I couldn't be happier.
that is great to hear, Ive heard so many other great things from other customers
I actually have a weird hiccup with the throttle on my Scout. Every 50-150 miles I'll grab and it just uh-huh... I can feel it on the tank if my leg is on it. Stalled one time.
Bikes got 6500 miles on it.
This is my first send away and ecu flash. I hope that it fixes my throttle lag issue. Why Indian ships bikes that stall off the line is completley beyond me.
How fast u think it'll run after the tune & flash? I have Road Glides 2 gap 😂
@@Gorealaracer38 the speed limit 🤣
Holy Moly! Looking forward to the next videos! And you’re irreplaceable buddy!
Glad to hear your comments on the Challenger stage 2 cams. I have the 116 BBK in both my 2018 Chieftain and my 2019 Chief Dark Horse. The power gains and sound of that kit with the Indian slip ons are unreal. I thought about the cams on my Challenger, but to be honest looking at the HP claims seem very underwhelming. I have the Rinehart slip ons and stage 1 air intake on it and the sound is much quieter than I expected and doesn't really compare to my good ole' air cooled 116's. I'll take your advise and pass on those. I'll also start with the new Indian ECU flash. People so far seem to like it. Thanx for the content dude. Hope to see you on the road at some point.
Bro!!! Awesome and amazing editing and HUMOR improvements, and those dyno numbers are dang impressive too btw😜👍....and 👋 to Mrs Barb
OH , my humor is improving? LOL, thanks...i think hahaha
I did the exhaust first then the stage1 air cleaner and saw and increase, then I did the stage 2 cams. I really did see a big increase and now I did Lloyds tune.
I'm a Harley Road Glide owner , your bike looks sharp I like the bars and the power , goodness. Great video bud , thanks for sharing.
Thanks my dude! I love riding and I LOVE making videos. Appreciate you watching!
Have you checked out our road that road glide St yet ❓❓❓❓
@@David-yp4fl no I haven't
@@petedetects7012 I can't wait to ride one
The local dealers around here are marking it up over 10,000 + / retail
Amazing video Brian
That bike is a beast! Plug and play!
That’s kind of sketchy jamming all that under your seat but I guess you know what you’re doing. Really loved the scenery while you were talking about the upgrades 🤙👍❤️🔥💯
Nothing like the scenery you have my man! want to get out there so bad!
@@TwoIndians can you imagine your editing skills in my area? Dude come make a video with me lol 😂. Oh to hell with a video come ride with me 🤙👍💯
I imagine my editing skills in your area everytime I watch one of your videos becuase you are getting better every day my man! I'd love to go out there. You have no idea how much i think about a long trip out west
@@TwoIndians I have plenty of space for you and Barbara on a nice acre and a half on the hillside. Just saying brother 😉
Thanks, Brian! Always good reviews….with a laugh!
That’s my style baby. Gotta have fun in this world.
What an amazing video and that bike is a beast. At first I laughed when you said you would be blowing by my road glide but now I understand so please wave 😂
Thanks so much BD! Honored to have you watching.
@@TwoIndians been a groupie for years my friend, appreciate the effort and quality of your content
Great video, love the music. Can't friggin' decide on whether to get the Dyno, Lloydz or RVS.
Everyone I’ve spoken to that has tried more than one says the DJ tune is not worth it. There’s very little daylight between the RVS and Lloydz tune so no matter which one you get you will be happy
@ridewithtwoindians Thank you very much, I appreciate the insight. The more I'm reading, the more it seems RVS might be the way to go.
Great video! I would love to get my bikes on the Dyno one day soon!!
thanks for watching!
I did the stage 2 with complete air cleaner it was a big difference. I did the Lloyd's tune later and made an even bigger differance.
Greetings from the adventure bike world! Love what you are doing to try and get the most out of the bike. How has it been so far between the stage kit upgrades and ECU flashing? Really sounds like you went through a lot to get the bike to where you want it. I've considered going back to cruisers but am unsure on longevity between this or HD. Thanks!
Actually it’s all been pretty simple TBH. Go back and watch all my videos on getting the Springfield where I wanted it 🤣🤣🤣. I’ve never been more happy with a bike and am loving every minute of this ownership experience.
At 130 that thing is soooo ridiculously smooth still. Man I'm envious of how stable that is.
this bike is so incredible, honestly its like doing 75 on the Springy. I mean I'll NEVER get it going that fast again but the stability makes it a joy to ride at any speed.
@@TwoIndians I don't know what would have happened if Iron Pony would have had a Pursuit in the showroom.
Terrific video Brian! That's impressive. And I like hearing what you have to say about the stage 2 cams. That was great, seeing you take the beast up to those speeds. She looked to handle them just fine.
Thanks James! This bike is so stable at high speeds it’s really phenomenal.
Great editing fam and absolutely love the voice over action!!!
8:21 do I hear a TV playing in the background during your voice-over or are you voicing over your own talking on the video?
I'm soooo happy you let this audio error slip through. I feel so happy now.
:O No bro, thats my helmet audio, its ambience.
@@TwoIndians yes exactly!! I'm sooooo giddy right now.
@@ericsuperhawk in my next video I'm gonna step it up a notch and I'm gonna do a voice over, over my voice over, over my helmet audio. Just for you.
@@TwoIndians it's payback for you chastising me for setting my clip level at mute during a voice over.
I keep forgetting to record some without talking ha ha. Being quiet is not my strength.
Yo brian- how do you like that adaptive headlight? Worth the steep cover charge?
There are pros and cons to it, mostly pros so yes, it is worth it. I would not ride without one
Would you say that even with a flash the cost and labor of the Indian stage 2 cams aren't worth it? I only have the dynojet flash and Tab slip ons and have been really curious about the cams.
I have mixed thoughts on it. I’m glad I did them but I can’t quantify the exact gains I got for the money. If you talk to the people at Lloydz or RVS they’ll tell you the gains they’ve measured are minimal in the grand scheme. Since I installed mine before I even picked up the bike and didn’t A/B it I don’t have any espiral evidence one way or the other. I’m eagerly awaiting aftermarket cams
Omg! Dana gonna be excited when I send him this link.
Love that intro fam!!!
How does it feel at low speeds? Does it smooth out the throttle to not be jumpy anymore?
Nice numbers. I got 115 /125 from Lloydz tune. Same dyno machine. Go RVS!!!
Nice!! no cams though right? I guess that makes sense...
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I just bought a 2020 Challenger with only 2,000 miles. I love this bike! Question - what mods had you done to the engine before you had RVS tune your Challenger? Thanks again for your information!
Thanks for watching Randy. Just did a simple Indian Stage 1&2 (intake/exhaust and cams)
Damn dude! Thats nice. How much does that all run price range?
Idk, he’s running a special on his tunes right now.
I'm new here what bars are those? Are those the Indian mid rise or something else? And did you need any extensions or anything?
Wow that bike looks really stable at 100+ MPH!
It's positively sublime. On my Springfield I feel like I'm using a deathr grip holding the thing together with bungie cords and duct tape at 90mph but this thing feels like I'm taking a Sunday stroll for an ice cream cone at 130mph. Its unreal. BTW, this video was shot in Mexico. In case anyone asks
idk if this question has already been asked but how does the fair with one's warranty? i would assume a re-flash would void it, no?
Recent Federal rules regarding Warranty on aftermarket products(including firmware) dictate that warranties cannot be voided u less it can be proven that the alteration had direct causation for a failure. For example, they can’t decline a warranty claim for your clutch cable, brake cylinder, valve train or crankshaft. But if the ECU locks up or the bike won’t run because of it they could make a case for that. True story, my buddy has a Challenger with a Lloydz tune and the bikes rear cylinder stopped firing. First step in trouble shooting was to reflash the ecu to confirm it was not the aftermarket flash. Once they elongated that they worked on it for over a month and then determined it was timing issue and ultimately warantied the problem. BTW, the bike has 40k miles in just under two years and they still covered it. Hope this helps.
Wow that's really good numbers. Road glide limited owner here also. It's stock but I'm happy with the performance for now. Nowhere near your numbers but I will eventually do exhaust, cam, tune etc. Right now my focus is to pay it off. $$$
That’s the best feeling, paying it off! Hey, thanks for watching and thanks for not being the typical Harley owner that comes in here saying shit like “nice Polaris” LOL. I love the RG and was 👌 close to buying one.
Does this tune correct the dreaded cylinder 1 misfire that is pestering some of us that ride in cooler (-25f) weather? Seems the cold air being denser has an effect on the fuel/ air ratio that the original Indian tune seems to struggle with. Just curious what your thought would be on this. Thanks.
I would call RVS and discuss it with them. They’re in Minnesota or somewhere up there near the North Pole. I have no idea
@@TwoIndians thank you Sir
Thanks for the great information
You bet!
Glad you are happy with it
Thanks for sharing .
I was interested in the Indian cams for mine.
I think I will wait too see what becomes available in the future 👍
I'm trying to figure out how I can sneak them into my bike.
Interested in doing this. Is shipping included with the price?
I believe so yes but this video is 2 years old now I think so double check with RVS
Just got a 2022 challenger 2 weeks ago. Love it, love it. But I do need different bars, what height are those bad boys you’re rockin?
Those are the KST Commanche bars. I have a complete installation video on this channel.
2022 Indian Challenger Handlebar Installation - easy how-to video for Mid-rise KST Commanche bars.
ruclips.net/video/En0f8QbL8Rs/видео.html
@@TwoIndians thanks. Great content, been surfin all your vids!
@@jdsparks100 i try! thanks! please follow us on FB and IG too!
What is she doing wearing a Indian shirt. She should be wearing a spider shirt.😆😆😆. I loved seeing you two having a good time with one another. That is great. Ride safe.
Right? She even rode her Can Am to Savannah, that’s where we were in that final shot.
It's weird to see your own neighborhood in someone else's RUclips videos lol. I'll be looking for ya at Ace Cafe Thursdays!
are we neighbors? Awesome!
Nice Video on the Challenger…
Glad you liked it!
why werent you impressed by stage 2 cams? Did it improve sound?
zero sound imprvement. I wanted that lopey rubmle and it does not have it all but I'm told that has more to do with the engine deisgn and that even an aftermarket cam that the bagger racers are using wont give you that. both Lloydz and RVS are not that impressed with the Indian cams but rigt now there is no alternative yet
@@TwoIndians thanks i really was considering stage 2 for sound .... no sound improvement its not worth the 5k price .. i just need it to rumble but i dont like air cooled engines
If you want rumble on the highway, go with the Sawicki exhaust! I just put it on my Challenger 3 weeks ago and it is absolutely bad ass! Sending my ECU off to RVS tomorrow morning!
@@darcher5888 louder than tabs with zombie baffles?
Good Clean content, subscribed.
oh thank you man, yeah i try to keep it PG-13 at the most. Just who I am
Thats good power and torque numbers...Most of all its dependable and wont overheat hotroding on a hot day with that watercooled engine...
Great video as all your other ones great looking bike what handlebars do you have on there?
Hi Jason, those are the KST Kustom Comanche bars. There’s a video on the install probably two months back.
So ok, what was the mileage before the tune & after ? Did you lose, gain or stay the same ?
MIleage has dropped about 2 MPG under normal driving conditions.
DONE & DONE pulled the trigger. Mailing out on Monday. Thanks for the quick email response. Catch you @Biketoberfest!
Are you worried that it will void your warranty?
Nope
Did, you run, over the box?
I felt it in MY behind!!
Glad your doing that testing in Mexico
Its a long ride to get there!
Excellent intro.. these women don't deserve us.. ;) ps.. hold on to ur licence mate..
LOLOLOL
Will this fix P2197 error caused by replacing exhaust??
Great Share Fam!!
What does The Flash actually do and what do you get out of it?
watch the video smartass LOL
RVS.. that's the company I was trying to remember the name of.
Love from DeKalb Mississippi USA 🇺🇸
What a Bike!!!
Great review thanks
What is the cost on this?
If you have not already did so? Get rid of the cat., and install a 2 into 1 exhaust from Bassani. The slip on exhaust mufflers and cat is hurting your performance.
Well aware of all the options although we can debate about whether or not the Cat and headers are hurting performance. Even the guys at Lloydz say there are no performance gains by following your suggestion. I have a full 2:1 system on my 116 Springy. Not against doing it but my concerns are that it would be too loud (yes I’m getting old) and I would need to re-tune again.
@@TwoIndians the only two exhaust systems that I have saw that are available for the Challenger that will make good power is the Bassani and the Sawicki, both 2 into 1. And I am not a fan of the Rush exhausts. Their sound is good, and the finish is excellent. But their headpipe to cylinder head fit is cheap/terrible. And I lost power with them compared to a similar set of exhausts from Vance and Hines on my Harley.
And I would lose the cat just for the weight savings and the heat if for nothing else.
Thank you for your videos.
I got mine up to 140 I believe on Sunday, I hv cat delete and Rhineharts and Lloyd's tune.
haven't installed the s&s air filter I bought yet but hopefully soon so I can see if it helps with fuel mileage
Yeah she definitely could have got up to that but I was running out of room to run so I backed it down. I think I was at 5k RPM, somewhere around there. MPG all depends on how hard you are on the throttle I guess.
So the info from these why does Indian say that the challenger has 122 HP and 128 for torque stock , so they lied about the numbers that they put on the brochures!!! 😡
Those numbers are produced at the crankshaft, which is not an uncommon way to describe power.
@@TwoIndians I feel that Indian misrepresented the numbers to try and boost the popularity of this bike. I'm waiting patiently for my 22 DH in Black Smoke to come from the factory, but i'm starting to lose faith as it was ordered end Nov 21 and still only sitting at scheduled for the past 4 months nothing. I'm up in Atlantic Canada so I'm thinking that my dealerships priority is way down the bottom of the list. I'd love to be able to contact Indian factory directly to try and get some kind of answer because I feel my dealership is failing and not concerned at all!!!
@@DoucetteMichael you can call indian support and they are amazing. Give it a shot!
12:22 I think she was channeling Becky right there.
Love this!!!!
Did it eliminate any throttle lag?
110%
@@TwoIndians good to know! Ty!
You had me at Lloyd's.
My cousin has had both lloydz and RVS tune in his bike...he has also had his bike dyno after both tunes and just stick
Base tune 105 hp 117 lb ft torque
Lloydz 108 hp 114 lb ft torque
RVS 112 hp 119 lb ft torque
When the RVS tune was flashed in the bike literally wanted to jump off the dyno
I see the results meaning the RVS tune is better than Lloyd’s?
This has convinced me which ECU Flash to get
I want to see this Challenger Elite!
I do love that Springfield those the 14 correct?
not following...it's a 2018 and has a 116 in it
@@TwoIndians talking about your handle bars I like the upgrades you have done , I just got a Springfield I ordered the 12 inch but maybe I should have got the 14 of those on yours are 14
@@banksboy6806 those are factory 16" apes, rolled back a hair.
@@TwoIndians factory 16 I only had a 12 or 14 option I think,but appreciate the response they look good
What handle bars do you have?
Those are the KST Commanche bars. I have a full install video, it’s a lot of fun.
How do the Lloyd's cams compare to the Indian cam?
Well very few people have the Lloydz cams so I personally wouldn’t know. I am friends with someone that rides with someone that does have them and he believes they are slightly better than his Indian cams. If that’s not confusing enough.
@@TwoIndians thanks for the reply!
I'm pretty surprised you can feel much of a difference in an 8hp gain on a 850 pound bike. 110 -> 118 is only an 8% gain. I went from about 50hp to 63hp on my 600 pound Vulcan 900 (~25% gain) and I'm fairly strapped to feel a significant difference. It does make a noticeable difference for sure, but it's not like "WOW, that's a huge difference!". Maybe my butt is more numb than yours.
It’s how fast the motor revs, the pull you feel on the bars, the fact you jump off the line instead of just pulling away. Look at the low RPM numbers on the chart for example. From 1000 RPM you’re already starting off way higher than the previous baseline
50 to 63 is very respectful.
More than the peak number though the entire curve giving available power throughout is the real reflash deal.
@@ericsuperhawk Mine is a whole curve tune too (most, if not all, are). Makes a difference in general rideability and throttle response for sure.
@@Kcducttaper1 back in "the day" often a tune would have you deciding, "Do you want more ponies at the red line, or more power at the blast off" ha ha. Technology has come a long way.
I can remember guys with sport bikes idling at 3k because of the tweeks they had done for more top end.. crazy days.
There Are multiple things I found Harley do to the tuning and Indian right there with them in like a street bike the Complete rewrite of the ECU and unlock things also while smoothing the the Advances in this advances of timing and duration of the injectors and how the Injectors pulsate make a big difference
Nice review
Do you usually keep the stabilization off on camera
That’s a camera I don’t use often, the Sony ZV-1, and if you’re running in low light it wants to turn off the stabilization. Not sure why. Honestly I expected it to work. 🤦🏼♂️
How does the new ECU effect the factory warranty on the bike?
This is an often answered question and the answer is, it depends. I mean if my engine starts misfiring or something I’m sure the dealer or Indian might have an issue. But if a fork seal fails or your windshield motor breaks that’s not gonna affect it
How about you try with infinity speakers you’ll be a lot happier
Does Infinity have a plug and play solution that boosts power?
@@TwoIndians no there is only 50w per channel Unless you put an amp in
Love it 😍
Thank you! 😊
I hope this menace doesn’t kill anyone else when reckless driving on public highways.
Go watch the Goldwing channels
My 111 struggles to get to 110. Hopefully the stage 1 exhaust and intake plus a tune from Ryan will get it running better
The air cooled motor is limited in RPM range so the tune will help.
@@TwoIndians oh really? Like before the rev limiter it's limited?
@@joshsutcliffe6099 the tune raises the rev limiter
@@TwoIndians I've never hit the rev limiter lol
8hp is it worth the cost?
It’s more than 8hp, it runs better from top to bottom. Yes. 100%. As long as you got the money
@@TwoIndians My man, enjoy 👍
lol you kill these videos fam!!
Thanks man! I love making them. Thanks so much for watching, I love your vibe dude
@@TwoIndians 🤙🏾🔥
always a few cuss words during any kind of work on the bike for me lol
What kind of Bars do U have
Those are KST bars, I think they’re called Comanche bars. I have an installation video in this series, thanks for watching!
@TwoIndians I have a 23 Pursuit ima have 2 change my bars have Dirty Bird Customs up there now but I'm reaching 2 forward so I want something like what U have
Hey, what bar is that? Thanks
KST Comanche. I have an install video also
@@TwoIndians thanks brother
What is that head light?
Custom Dynamics Adaptive. Awesome light
Just watched a video from Lloydz Garage and with their 2-1 exhaust was showing over 130 hp & torque …
Everyone’s Dyno is calibrated differently but I can tell you there should def be an improvement over the factory exhaust which I’m running.
Now you need some Lloydz cams in that beast!
Not sure it will ever happen TBH, pretty happy where I am now and not willing to spend the $2k+ it would take to get it done. Maybe closer to $3k.
Didn't think the 585 cams would fit this challenger motor... I thought the only option was indian's stage 2. I don't care about the warrentee. As long as it's tuned right and rips hard and reliable still
ANY IDEAS WHERE TO SHOP FOR LIKE LIDS HEADLIGHTS CRASH BARS AN SO ON?????
Lids, maybe Advanblack? That’s where I’m getting my tourpack. John Shope may have speaker lids too. Not sure. I’m testing a Custom Dynamics adaptive LED light now and like it so far. Slightly different color but love the patterns it throws. Excellent. I think TLC makes crash bars.
@@TwoIndians you rock thank you?
How about any where to order bag liners??? 2021 challenger. I can not find them any where
@@jimmysandborn910 this is what I use Challenger VLOG #4 - Saddle Bag Organizer, win a set for your bike!
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Stock challenger 106 hp the wheels. Only got 11hp from how many thousands of dollars upgrades? 😂
That’s a 10% increase for probably around $2500 I’d guess. Worth it to me, that’s all I care about. Thanks for watching!
factory warranty void ??
Indeed
lol bloopers 😂😂
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So Lloyd’s $600 tune is only a one time deal
I would check with them and ask what the current policy is on that
I just did it all at once after 6 months of stock. Pipe,tune,flash,delete and cam. Huge huge difference. My buddy just bought a 131 HD. I'm hoping I can spank his ass????
How’d you fare against the 131
@@JorgeL1 it has a long list of upgrades and honestly it wasn't real close. Mine just has a cam. But he gets me in 1st gear then just stays bout a full bike ahead of me to 110 then I roll on by. But I mean by 40mph the race is over lol.
can you really do "Holy moly , shucks dude " and still go 130 mph ,?
LOL, that’s just who I am. I mean, I work in construction industry so nothing shocks me but I try to keep the channel PG13
Is your wife taller than u brian?
Pick up a 07 1300 vstar tourer... 139mph w a stock motor...
My wife had a Vstar tourer, you’re gonna have a hard time convincing me that thing could make it to 100mph. They only have like 70 Hp
Maybe 139 km/h
That's right, get'm Barbara! LoL
Omg!! That was mean..poor Miss lil Indian..
Can you imagine your ecu get lost in the mail!!
Yeah that’s always been a concern for me, scary as hell right?
Maybe you should upgrade your motorcycling gear first :)
There’s a donate button up there. I’d love a decent set of riding pants that I can pull over my jeans in cooler weather. All donations graciously accepted.
Hey, were you speeding??? lol
cheeehuuuuuu just took off!!!!!
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