Waldenses were brothers in Christ that protected the truth of the word of God and were terribly persecuted by the chatolic church. Keep the faith brothers and sisters, we can look up to Waldenses, they preached the gospel in and out of season!
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I highly, highly recommend you to read about Cipriano de Valera and Casiodoro de Reina, the spanish reformers who made the spanish translation. Is a beautiful but at the same time tragic story, but those who know God would understand that what happens to our bodies is of little importance so don't be sad knowing they suffered for the Lord. I'm sure the Holy Spirit helped them in their worst moments and gave them that peace that surpasses any understanding. Focus on the spiritual side of the story, because it shows the love and grace of God. Their whole work started after being born again, how? Because the preacher at their catholic monastery was influenced by the preaching of the waldenses. Reina and Valera dedicated their lives to the gathering of manuscripts and translation of scripture, they were persecuted and killed after finishing their work in 1603, everyone from their monastery was also killed, and everyone who gave them asylum or any help. If people don't see the hand of God in the bibles made in those moments of tribulation and persecution that created the biggest revival in history I don't know what will.
@@JesusProtects Thank you for sharing, I will try to find more about these brothers. It is encouraging to read how the Holy Spirit moves in worst situation, specially now when we are on the verge of the great tribulation. Love, grace and peace in Jesus name!
@@DiscerningHistory The moment they believe on the scriptures as the only source is that moment your assertion doubts are useless and there's no way to research the bible without skipping the 4rth commandment as the waldenses did it with blessed knowledge. Christians live by the faith only as you my friend cannot confirm nor deny such enquiry.
True! I’m a Church member, here in Italy we are in unity with the Methodist Church and there are around 50k members here, but we also have small communities in Argentina and North Carolina
The Cathloic church has always been the worst offender and persecutor of the Saints of God. All of history proves it over and over its undeniable. If it wasn't for these people and the reformation we would never even have a english bible in our hand. Now the world get the message of the Gospel of the Lord thanks to the protestants not the Cathloics. The Waldenses were not wrong about about how they viewed the Pope one day they will persecute again its a matter of time.
@RKcousins625 We would not have the English Bible in our hands if it wasn't for William Tyndale. The Bible is made of Old Testament Hebrew then new testament in Greek. The Roman catholic church use the Latin Translation. It was only After Tyndale was murdered at the stake that the King of England sanctioned the KJV.
@@williamgonzalez1069 That is an interesting story but this still does not mean at all that wouldn’t ever have the Bible translated into non Latin. Translating the Bible should not be taken lightly and just because some one did does not mean it’s a valid one.
@RKcousins625 Not a valid one? It's not valid to have a translation of a translation. Hebrew and Greek to Latin and then convert Latin to English. That like taking an English book and translating it to Spanish and then trying to make the Spanish into French. It would be horrendous. The amount lost in translation. Proper translation would be get the authentic scrolls/transcripts Translate word for word. From one language to the other. I'm not here to argue or debate this. If you happen to be Cathloic and are offended by what is stated idk what to tell you other than God bless you.
@@williamgonzalez1069 more and more original Hebrew gospels are now coming out too.St Patrick was of Jewish heritage and he kept sabbath day in the Celtic church against the roman poop
You should mention that the Waldenses kept the true Seventh-day Sabbath of God and rejected the claim of the Catholic Church that they had the right to transfer the Sabbath to the pagan "venerable day of the sun" -- Sunday.
The reason why we did not say that is that despite some claims to the contrary, there is no evidence that all the Waldenses kept the Sabbath on the seventh day. I have seen sources that mention Waldenses who kept the seventh day Sabbath, but it was mentioned as a part (i.e. minority) of them.
@@DiscerningHistory that would be very weird that they would not keep The Seventh-Day Sabbath since it is one of the Ten Commandments that has never changed. It sounds to me like they were very big on living by scripture so I imagine they actually did keep it
Sunday is the day of the risen Lord. Jews still keep the Sabbath because they don't accept Jesus was the Messiah but Christians worship on the day that Jesus rose from the dead (whatever denomination you are with the exception of the SDAs).
@@candyclews4047 so the human interpretation that the day Jesus rose from the dead overpowers one of the 10 Commandments written by the finger of the almighty God?
@@joyelle7578 Good point although we are not Jews (for whom the Sabbath/Saturday is holy). We are followers of Christ and no longer under the Mosaic Law of the Jews and can, in all conscience, celebrate/worship the day He rose from the dead.
0:59 _"that the Waldensians were being condemned for calling the Pope the Antichrist"_ I am sorry, but I just looked up the decisions of Lateran IV, and there is no mention of them calling the Pope the Antichrist. However, I just saw _another_ video, where this tenet is attributed to a Waldensian Confession of Faith, from 1120 AD, in Latin OR Old Italian BUT available, through Samuel Morland, in English, and not giving the original language. For clarity: Samuel Morland lived in the 17th C. In the time of Cromwell. I didn't watch all the video, so I may have missed the part on bishops from that Confession, but it is certain that Lateran IV does not record this, all 69 mentions of bishops from that council are about what bishops must do, can do, can't do, may do instead, do in the Holy Land, and not about what Waldensians believed about them.
I like the Waldenses things you read out excepting the part about total depravity... we are not all the same.. taking power from Rome understandable - the idea of no churches and praying at home in your private room is what Jesus actually did preach. Never heard of them until today - Iwill look deeper. Thankyou for posting.
Where did Jesus say no church? I can point tonscripture that says otherwise in a sense. When I feel like giving up, or I just am so tired of being tired, I know my brothers and sisters in Christ will keep me full of hope and hold me accountable :)
@@somewelderMathew 6:5-13 and includes the prayer example. Get yourself a Red Letter Bible - Jesus words. Don’t bother OLD Testament Jesus New Testament replaces it.
The Waldensians could not have been against the doctrine of transubstantiation because the doctrine was not defined until the mid-sixteenth century, at the Council of Trent.
I disagree. Of course they were against transubstantiation. The Waldenses formed near the end of the 12th century. The Council of Trent ended in 1563. Even though most of them were massacred by Catholic soldiers in 1545, many escaped and regrouped, and to this day there are roughly 50,000 Waldenseians today.
Transubstantiation was defined in 1215 at the Council of Lateran IV exactly because of the Waldensian opposition to it. It was not a dogma before, but became after. Just like the addition of the deuterocanonical books (which were part of tradition, but not canonical) in the biblical canon of the Catholic Church defined only in Trent after the Reformation to refute the canon of the Protestants.
Saint Justin the Martyr wrote in his 'Apology' concerning the Blessed Euchraist! This was in the 100's. The text is available online, look it up. No matter how protestants twist and contort objective truth, God's truth remains - in the Roman Catholic Church. It's laughable how protestants make themselve's 'experts' on Catholicism, when they don't have Sanctifying Grace or the Light of the Holy Spirit. Detuned babblers of deception. Over 40,000 protestant sects out there, and you expect Catholics to believe 'your branch' have the immutable 'Truth'. It's laughable. Come home to Rome all of you, before the wrath of God strikes this world for the evil times we live in.
these people were taught or of the same biblical conceptions that were kept by the pre roman Christians of Ireland and Scotland and welsh celts and picts that kept Sabbath they paid immensely for their faith and doctrine which was simple basic biblical teaching, no wonder the littlehorn was so against them Happy Sabbath day all have a study filled 2020. Maranatha!!
Is there any evidence that the Celts observed the Sabbath? I understand that the Adventist author, Elena Uyat, wrote about this, but where is the evidence?
@@Nazarenin58 YES there is, sadly it is tucked away in churches and libraries in Ireland, Scotland, but these folks did an amazing job at doing the research and sharing it...Patrick of Ireland also kept the Sabbath (he was from the Samaritan line of Jews!) ruclips.net/video/yIdHlLaMflM/видео.html I also have the source for Patrick of Ireland, let me know if you would like it...perhaps I'll post it next!
@@Nazarenin58 -- In 563 AD Columba (of Ireland) and twelve of his brethren set out to do missionary evangelism, settling in Iona, an island in the inner Hebrides, in Scotland. They founded the Abbey on Iona. They were Seventh-day Sabbath-keepers living in Scotland during the sixth century. This would continue until the eleventh century AD. -- “Professor Andrew Lang says of them [churches set up or inspired by St. Patrick]: ‘They worked on Sunday, but kept Saturday in a Sabbatical manner.’ -‘A History of Scotland from the Roman Occupation,’ Vol. I, p. 96. New York: Dodd, Mead, and Co., 1900. -- “Dr. A. Butler says of Columba: ‘Having continues his labors in Scotland thirty-four years, he clearly and openly foretold his death, and on Saturday, the ninth of June, said to his disciple Diermit: ‘This day is called the Sabbath, that is, the rest day, and such will it truly be to me; for it will put an end to my labors.’ -‘Butler’s Lives of the Saints,’ Vol. I, A.D. 597, art. ‘St. Columba,’ p. 762. New York: P. F. Collier. -- “In a footnote to Blair’s translation of the Catholic historian Bellesheim, we read: ‘We seem to see here an allusion to the custom, observed in the early monastic Church of Ireland, of keeping the day of rest on Saturday, or the Sabbath.’ 🫢-‘History of the Catholic Church in Scotland,’ Vol. I, p. 86. -- “Professor James C. Moffat, D.D., Professor of Church History at Princeton, says: “It seems to have been customary in the Celtic churches of early times, in Ireland as well as Scotland, to keep Saturday, the --Jewish-- Sabbath as a day of rest from labor. *They obeyed the fourth commandment literally upon the seventh day of the week* -‘The Church in Scotland,’ p. 140. Philadelphia: 1882. “But the Church of Rome could never allow the light of pure apostolic Christianity [in contrast to the “darkness of impure and corrupted apostolic Christianity,” the mother of which is the Romanized Papal Church headquartered in Rome!] to shine anywhere, for that would reveal her won religion to be apostasy. Pope Gregory I, in 596, sent the imperious monk Augustine, with forty other monks, to Britain. Dr. A Ebrard, says of this ‘mission’: ‘Gregory well knew that there existed in the British Isles, yea, in a part of the Roman dominion, a Christian church, and that his Roman messengers would come in contact with them. By sending these messengers, he was not only intent upon the conversion of the heathen, but from the very beginning he was also bent upon bringing this Irish-Scotch church, which had been hitherto been free from Rome, in subjection to the papal chair.’ -‘Bonifacius,’ p. 16. Guetersloh, 1882. (Quoted in Andrews’ ‘History of the Sabbath,’ fourth edition, revised and enlarged, p. 532).
-- They aren’t claims, it’s fact. The Waldensians split from the Catholic Church in about 1100, 4-5 hundred years before Martin Luther’s 95 theses. This means they aren’t technically Protestant.
Sounds like my kind of people. ‘Prayer in the barn is just as valid as prayer in the church’ sounds great but I would say humble barn prayer is more acceptable to Christ than the proud utterances of priests.
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The Waldenses started the reformation but the Protestant reformers did more Revelation 2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. What does Jesus mean with that? Thy works, the last are to be more than the first. It’s 1260 years, twelve and a half centuries and there is a work that this church is doing over this long period of time having to deal with what He is revealing to them. As they are working, they are beginning the work. The Waldenses were beginning the work, and it spans right up to 1798 and He says the last is more than the first.
@@candyclews4047 Wikipedia is not a reliable source because anyone can add what they want there. I followed the link and the first paragraph states gross inaccuracies about Protestant Faith, Lutherans and Calvinists; they do not believe that Humans are completely incapable of accepting the gift of Salvation as it is offered or that they are completely unable to follow G*d. The Holy Spirit makes the Gospel message understood to all of humanity and humanity was given freewill by G*d to choose if they want to accept the gift of Salvation or not. Salvation is not gained by works or any given number of Hail Mary's you do in a Catholic Church. It is by the Grace of G*d alone that we are saved! You do not have to be inside of a church building to get saved either. You can decide to accept Christ as your personal Savior anywhere.
This means they denied (deprived) themselves of any commodities, similar to what the Mennonites of today believe ( No motorized vehicles, electricity etc.) Nothing to do with immorality.
@@shadowwright3232 Claiming that Wikipedia isn't a reliable source is like saying that textbooks aren't reliable sources because any teacher can pick and choose what textbooks you should read. You also misread the page. It says that SOME SYNODS believe in this, not that Lutherans and Calvinists all believe in it. So calm down and read before you rage.
Israel of the Alps by Alexis Muston (Blackie & Son, Glasgow: 1875) I would like ask why you did not include that the Waldensians kept the Saturday Sabbath up until the time of the reformation:?] They appear to have given that up to join Martin Luther and the rest of the protestants in fighting the RCC in the little research I have done thus far. There is a fellow by the name of Stephano Janavel, who is a pastor and he knows, because his family is from the Waldensians and his 12th grandfather was Joshua Janavel; he himself is now keeping the Sabbath and knows HIS Waldensian family history tracks all the way back to the time of the apostles and he also believes the RCC wanted to destroy the Waldensians because of their apostolic faith, aka, keeping the Sabbath, Feasts, New Moons and eating Biblically clean. Just in researching today, I have found 3-4 different historical sources pointing to these facts about the Waldensians. Just wanted to respectfully encourage you to keep digging deeper! I am not a 7th Day...but within the last 5 years, have been called to begin keeping the true Biblical Sabbath (Saturday) according to Genesis, as well as keeping the new moons, 7 Feasts of our Creator and eating Biblically clean, I am finding there is a revival happening among Christians and even non-believers all together, coming back to His Word, reading it, and having a desire to do Bible things in Bible Ways...I also believe we are being called out in the last days to do this, as the saints in Revelations are described as: Keeping His Commandments (all 10 of them) and having the testimony of Jesus...Revelations 12:17, 14:12 and 22:14! It is so exciting to see Abba waking up His children to how we will be walking with Him in the New Jerusalem! The shadow of things to come...we should not be staying away from it, if we are supposed to be doing these things with our King during His Reign...we should be treating our lives like a dress rehearsal and be living JUST as Jesus walked in His time on earth...Jesus and all the apostles kept the Sabbath and the Feasts...they were Jewish!! But did not stop even when Jesus returned to heaven! Paul was a Rabbi!! He continued to keep the Feasts throughout his time on earth...it is so beautiful...there is no "old and new" testament...they are the same:!] Does not our God claim He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow:?] What an exciting time to live on earth and watch these things come to pass!!
Do you have a primary or scholarly source that explains that he Waldenses celebrated the Sabbath on Saturday? While I haven't researched this in depth, the numerous times I have seen this claim made, I haven't seen it backed up by any solid research. And even if they did, that doesn't mean that we should copy them. If so, they benefited from the Reformation as well. The Catholic Church is not the only institution that has ever needed reforming.
The Waldenses had quite different views than the Albigensians or Paulicians. The later two groups held clearly heretical views, though the specific views of the Paulicians seem to have been lost to time.
Total depravity meaning the doctrine later preached by John Calvin during the Protestant Reformation in the doctrines of grace. It teaches that men are born dead in sins and trespasses, and are capable of no action that is good in God's eyes unless He regenerates them, gives them faith, and makes them spiritually alive.
So waldensians reject that comunion is the body of Christ as the Bible teaches and as The apostles’ disciples taught (for example Ignatius of Antioch)??? Interesting
Honestly, the Waldensians sort-of seem crazy with the complete poverty stuff. However at the same time, they did have some good beliefs compared to the Catholic church. I find it despicable to hate others based on their specific doctrine of faith, but calling the pope the anti-Christ is a little much. Complete poverty for bishops also isn't very nice as even Jesus wasn't completely impoverished. Plus we're supposed to worship Jesus with a lot of effort and the cathedrals sort-of respresented that effort.
"God is Spirit ,The time will come and now is the time that the true worshipers will worship God in spirit and in Truth". this is the word of God my dear ''a lot of effort" is so vague.
The papacy is the anti christ just by looking at the prophecies of Daniel. Nebuchadnezzar’s dream: gold=Babylon, silver=medo-Persia, bronze=Greece, Silver=Rome. Daniel later gets more info on these 4 empires through his vision of the 4 beasts, which represent these same 4 empires. The 4th empire has 10 horns, the 10 kingdoms that come out of Rome when it falls ( which is also the 10 toes mixed with iron and clay). Out of the midst of the 10 horns, comes a smaller horn that destroys 3 of the other horns. The papacy did that!!! The man of sin revealed!!
First, without Bishops they didn't have every office of the priesthood. Then, rejecting purgatory was going too far for it certainly exists (read Vision of Tundale) Finally, I don't know how they baptized yet, which I want to find out next, for if they baptized wrong or practiced the ordinances wrong then they did not have the Priesthood.
Jesus: I don’t know you. I speak Aramaic and you speak Greek. How can I understand you? I only love the Romans because they are the sons of my cousin Esau, son of Isaac.
So in short, Christianity was threatened by Waldensians because they didn't want the Church to have power. basically the same Christianity but no special treatment for fat cardinals.
Isn't this the same group that came to the gates of a monastery and murdered St. Peter Cambiano with a dagger? Those who used God's name for their own deeds or pleasures with no remorse for penance are not of Christ.
@@dewman7477 catholic church has been raping and killing babies and committing genocide since the middle ages so please don't preach your catholic beliefs to me
Waldenses were brothers in Christ that protected the truth of the word of God and were terribly persecuted by the chatolic church. Keep the faith brothers and sisters, we can look up to Waldenses, they preached the gospel in and out of season!
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I highly, highly recommend you to read about Cipriano de Valera and Casiodoro de Reina, the spanish reformers who made the spanish translation. Is a beautiful but at the same time tragic story, but those who know God would understand that what happens to our bodies is of little importance so don't be sad knowing they suffered for the Lord. I'm sure the Holy Spirit helped them in their worst moments and gave them that peace that surpasses any understanding. Focus on the spiritual side of the story, because it shows the love and grace of God.
Their whole work started after being born again, how? Because the preacher at their catholic monastery was influenced by the preaching of the waldenses. Reina and Valera dedicated their lives to the gathering of manuscripts and translation of scripture, they were persecuted and killed after finishing their work in 1603, everyone from their monastery was also killed, and everyone who gave them asylum or any help.
If people don't see the hand of God in the bibles made in those moments of tribulation and persecution that created the biggest revival in history I don't know what will.
@@JesusProtects Thank you for sharing, I will try to find more about these brothers. It is encouraging to read how the Holy Spirit moves in worst situation, specially now when we are on the verge of the great tribulation.
Love, grace and peace in Jesus name!
The Waldenses also kept the Sabbath as it says in the Bible on the 7th day of the week, Saturday. They were tormented for that .
Do you have historical proof of this? I've heard it asserted many times, but assertion doesn't make it a fact
@@DiscerningHistory The moment they believe on the scriptures as the only source is that moment your assertion doubts are useless and there's no way to research the bible without skipping the 4rth commandment as the waldenses did it with blessed knowledge. Christians live by the faith only as you my friend cannot confirm nor deny such enquiry.
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Although small, Waldensians still exist. There are about 50,000 worldwide.
Molly Coates they are allowing themselves to buddy up with ecumenism though!
How do you know this?
True! I’m a Church member, here in Italy we are in unity with the Methodist Church and there are around 50k members here, but we also have small communities in Argentina and North Carolina
Do they still keep the sabbath?
@@4mick4 yes there are still waldensians that keep the sabbath
I'm from the French Alps, Savoy more precisely, I'm ashamed that it's our ruling dynasty that has persecuted these brothers and sisters
The Cathloic church has always been the worst offender and persecutor of the Saints of God. All of history proves it over and over its undeniable. If it wasn't for these people and the reformation we would never even have a english bible in our hand. Now the world get the message of the Gospel of the Lord thanks to the protestants not the Cathloics. The Waldenses were not wrong about about how they viewed the Pope one day they will persecute again its a matter of time.
What in the world makes you think that Protestants are the reason that we have bibles?
@RKcousins625 We would not have the English Bible in our hands if it wasn't for William Tyndale. The Bible is made of Old Testament Hebrew then new testament in Greek. The Roman catholic church use the Latin Translation. It was only After Tyndale was murdered at the stake that the King of England sanctioned the KJV.
@@williamgonzalez1069 That is an interesting story but this still does not mean at all that wouldn’t ever have the Bible translated into non Latin.
Translating the Bible should not be taken lightly and just because some one did does not mean it’s a valid one.
@RKcousins625 Not a valid one? It's not valid to have a translation of a translation. Hebrew and Greek to Latin and then convert Latin to English. That like taking an English book and translating it to Spanish and then trying to make the Spanish into French. It would be horrendous. The amount lost in translation. Proper translation would be get the authentic scrolls/transcripts Translate word for word. From one language to the other. I'm not here to argue or debate this. If you happen to be Cathloic and are offended by what is stated idk what to tell you other than God bless you.
@@williamgonzalez1069 more and more original Hebrew gospels are now coming out too.St Patrick was of Jewish heritage and he kept sabbath day in the Celtic church against the roman poop
You should mention that the Waldenses kept the true Seventh-day Sabbath of God and rejected the claim of the Catholic Church that they had the right to transfer the Sabbath to the pagan "venerable day of the sun" -- Sunday.
The reason why we did not say that is that despite some claims to the contrary, there is no evidence that all the Waldenses kept the Sabbath on the seventh day. I have seen sources that mention Waldenses who kept the seventh day Sabbath, but it was mentioned as a part (i.e. minority) of them.
@@DiscerningHistory that would be very weird that they would not keep The Seventh-Day Sabbath since it is one of the Ten Commandments that has never changed. It sounds to me like they were very big on living by scripture so I imagine they actually did keep it
Sunday is the day of the risen Lord. Jews still keep the Sabbath because they don't accept Jesus was the Messiah but Christians worship on the day that Jesus rose from the dead (whatever denomination you are with the exception of the SDAs).
@@candyclews4047 so the human interpretation that the day Jesus rose from the dead overpowers one of the 10 Commandments written by the finger of the almighty God?
@@joyelle7578 Good point although we are not Jews (for whom the Sabbath/Saturday is holy). We are followers of Christ and no longer under the Mosaic Law of the Jews and can, in all conscience, celebrate/worship the day He rose from the dead.
0:59 _"that the Waldensians were being condemned for calling the Pope the Antichrist"_
I am sorry, but I just looked up the decisions of Lateran IV, and there is no mention of them calling the Pope the Antichrist.
However, I just saw _another_ video, where this tenet is attributed to a Waldensian Confession of Faith, from 1120 AD, in Latin OR Old Italian BUT available, through Samuel Morland, in English, and not giving the original language. For clarity: Samuel Morland lived in the 17th C. In the time of Cromwell.
I didn't watch all the video, so I may have missed the part on bishops from that Confession, but it is certain that Lateran IV does not record this, all 69 mentions of bishops from that council are about what bishops must do, can do, can't do, may do instead, do in the Holy Land, and not about what Waldensians believed about them.
I like the Waldenses things you read out excepting the part about total depravity... we are not all the same.. taking power from Rome understandable - the idea of no churches and praying at home in your private room is what Jesus actually did preach. Never heard of them until today - Iwill look deeper. Thankyou for posting.
Where did Jesus say no church? I can point tonscripture that says otherwise in a sense.
When I feel like giving up, or I just am so tired of being tired, I know my brothers and sisters in Christ will keep me full of hope and hold me accountable :)
@@somewelderMathew 6:5-13 and includes the prayer example. Get yourself a Red Letter Bible - Jesus words. Don’t bother OLD Testament Jesus New Testament replaces it.
I would like to know if they were Monarchian, Sabellians or Patripassionist.
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Wow.... like they knew how sick we know RCC to be today. 🤯
Back then rome wore her evil on her sleeve. There was no false benevolence from Rome back then
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The Waldensians could not have been against the doctrine of transubstantiation because the doctrine was not defined until the mid-sixteenth century, at the Council of Trent.
I disagree. Of course they were against transubstantiation. The Waldenses formed near the end of the 12th century. The Council of Trent ended in 1563. Even though most of them were massacred by Catholic soldiers in 1545, many escaped and regrouped, and to this day there are roughly 50,000 Waldenseians today.
Transubstantiation was defined in 1215 at the Council of Lateran IV exactly because of the Waldensian opposition to it. It was not a dogma before, but became after. Just like the addition of the deuterocanonical books (which were part of tradition, but not canonical) in the biblical canon of the Catholic Church defined only in Trent after the Reformation to refute the canon of the Protestants.
the doctrine existed before its ultimate definition
Saint Justin the Martyr wrote in his 'Apology' concerning the Blessed Euchraist! This was in the 100's. The text is available online, look it up. No matter how protestants twist and contort objective truth, God's truth remains - in the Roman Catholic Church. It's laughable how protestants make themselve's 'experts' on Catholicism, when they don't have Sanctifying Grace or the Light of the Holy Spirit. Detuned babblers of deception. Over 40,000 protestant sects out there, and you expect Catholics to believe 'your branch' have the immutable 'Truth'. It's laughable. Come home to Rome all of you, before the wrath of God strikes this world for the evil times we live in.
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these people were taught or of the same biblical conceptions that were kept by the pre roman Christians of Ireland and Scotland and welsh celts and picts that kept Sabbath they paid immensely for their faith and doctrine which was simple basic biblical teaching, no wonder the littlehorn was so against them Happy Sabbath day all have a study filled 2020. Maranatha!!
Is there any evidence that the Celts observed the Sabbath? I understand that the Adventist author, Elena Uyat, wrote about this, but where is the evidence?
@@Nazarenin58 YES there is, sadly it is tucked away in churches and libraries in Ireland, Scotland, but these folks did an amazing job at doing the research and sharing it...Patrick of Ireland also kept the Sabbath (he was from the Samaritan line of Jews!) ruclips.net/video/yIdHlLaMflM/видео.html I also have the source for Patrick of Ireland, let me know if you would like it...perhaps I'll post it next!
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-- In 563 AD Columba (of Ireland) and twelve of his brethren set out to do missionary evangelism, settling in Iona, an island in the inner Hebrides, in Scotland.
They founded the Abbey on Iona.
They were Seventh-day Sabbath-keepers living in Scotland during the sixth century. This would continue until the eleventh century AD.
-- “Professor Andrew Lang says of them [churches set up or inspired by St. Patrick]:
‘They worked on Sunday, but kept Saturday in a Sabbatical manner.’ -‘A History of Scotland from the Roman Occupation,’ Vol. I, p. 96. New York: Dodd, Mead, and Co., 1900.
-- “Dr. A. Butler says of Columba:
‘Having continues his labors in Scotland thirty-four years, he clearly and openly foretold his death, and on Saturday, the ninth of June, said to his disciple Diermit: ‘This day is called the Sabbath, that is, the rest day, and such will it truly be to me; for it will put an end to my labors.’ -‘Butler’s Lives of the Saints,’ Vol. I, A.D. 597, art. ‘St. Columba,’ p. 762. New York: P. F. Collier.
-- “In a footnote to Blair’s translation of the Catholic historian Bellesheim, we read:
‘We seem to see here an allusion to the custom, observed in the early monastic Church of Ireland, of keeping the day of rest on Saturday, or the Sabbath.’ 🫢-‘History of the Catholic Church in Scotland,’ Vol. I, p. 86.
-- “Professor James C. Moffat, D.D., Professor of Church History at Princeton, says:
“It seems to have been customary in the Celtic churches of early times, in Ireland as well as Scotland, to keep Saturday, the --Jewish-- Sabbath as a day of rest from labor. *They obeyed the fourth commandment literally upon the seventh day of the week* -‘The Church in Scotland,’ p. 140. Philadelphia: 1882.
“But the Church of Rome could never allow the light of pure apostolic Christianity [in contrast to the “darkness of impure and corrupted apostolic Christianity,” the mother of which is the Romanized Papal Church headquartered in Rome!] to shine anywhere, for that would reveal her won religion to be apostasy. Pope Gregory I, in 596, sent the imperious monk Augustine, with forty other monks, to Britain. Dr. A Ebrard, says of this ‘mission’:
‘Gregory well knew that there existed in the British Isles, yea, in a part of the Roman dominion, a Christian church, and that his Roman messengers would come in contact with them. By sending these messengers, he was not only intent upon the conversion of the heathen, but from the very beginning he was also bent upon bringing this Irish-Scotch church, which had been hitherto been free from Rome, in subjection to the papal chair.’ -‘Bonifacius,’ p. 16. Guetersloh, 1882. (Quoted in Andrews’ ‘History of the Sabbath,’ fourth edition, revised and enlarged, p. 532).
The Roman Catholic Church sounds a lot like the Pharisees of the Temple.
What about the claims of some that say that the WALDRENSIANS were around hundreds of years before Peter Waldo?
-- They aren’t claims, it’s fact. The Waldensians split from the Catholic Church in about 1100, 4-5 hundred years before Martin Luther’s 95 theses. This means they aren’t technically Protestant.
@@mcoates3649 No. I mean those who say that the Waldensians were around in the 2nd century.
@@---zc4qt their way of living was....then they got given a name tag
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THEY KEPT THE SABBATH AS STATED IN THE BIBLE ON SATURDAY
Yes, remember to keep the Sabbath day Holy, the 7th day, not the first day !
Sounds like my kind of people. ‘Prayer in the barn is just as valid as prayer in the church’ sounds great but I would say humble barn prayer is more acceptable to Christ than the proud utterances of priests.
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The game is supposed to be extra accurate. You know, Cumans invading, justs, how trading worked, how people would say "god's blessings" Instead of hello. All that kind of stuff. Thought you'd find it interesting. Kingdom Come Deliverance.
No
The Waldenses started the reformation but the Protestant reformers did more
Revelation 2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
What does Jesus mean with that? Thy works, the last are to be more than the first. It’s 1260 years, twelve and a half centuries and there is a work that this church is doing over this long period of time having to deal with what He is revealing to them. As they are working, they are beginning the work. The Waldenses were beginning the work, and it spans right up to 1798 and He says the last is more than the first.
In what way did they believe in total depravity? You can not just throw a general accusation like that out there with no specifics or evidence.
Most likely not like the corrupt fake Calvinists teachers of today.
It's not what you think it is, it is a theological doctrine: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_depravity
@@candyclews4047 Wikipedia is not a reliable source because anyone can add what they want there. I followed the link and the first paragraph states gross inaccuracies about Protestant Faith, Lutherans and Calvinists; they do not believe that Humans are completely incapable of accepting the gift of Salvation as it is offered or that they are completely unable to follow G*d. The Holy Spirit makes the Gospel message understood to all of humanity and humanity was given freewill by G*d to choose if they want to accept the gift of Salvation or not. Salvation is not gained by works or any given number of Hail Mary's you do in a Catholic Church. It is by the Grace of G*d alone that we are saved! You do not have to be inside of a church building to get saved either. You can decide to accept Christ as your personal Savior anywhere.
This means they denied (deprived) themselves of any commodities, similar to what the Mennonites of today believe ( No motorized vehicles, electricity etc.) Nothing to do with immorality.
@@shadowwright3232 Claiming that Wikipedia isn't a reliable source is like saying that textbooks aren't reliable sources because any teacher can pick and choose what textbooks you should read.
You also misread the page. It says that SOME SYNODS believe in this, not that Lutherans and Calvinists all believe in it.
So calm down and read before you rage.
Wish you had spoken about the sabbath they kept.
Israel of the Alps by Alexis Muston (Blackie & Son, Glasgow: 1875) I would like ask why you did not include that the Waldensians kept the Saturday Sabbath up until the time of the reformation:?] They appear to have given that up to join Martin Luther and the rest of the protestants in fighting the RCC in the little research I have done thus far. There is a fellow by the name of Stephano Janavel, who is a pastor and he knows, because his family is from the Waldensians and his 12th grandfather was Joshua Janavel; he himself is now keeping the Sabbath and knows HIS Waldensian family history tracks all the way back to the time of the apostles and he also believes the RCC wanted to destroy the Waldensians because of their apostolic faith, aka, keeping the Sabbath, Feasts, New Moons and eating Biblically clean. Just in researching today, I have found 3-4 different historical sources pointing to these facts about the Waldensians. Just wanted to respectfully encourage you to keep digging deeper! I am not a 7th Day...but within the last 5 years, have been called to begin keeping the true Biblical Sabbath (Saturday) according to Genesis, as well as keeping the new moons, 7 Feasts of our Creator and eating Biblically clean, I am finding there is a revival happening among Christians and even non-believers all together, coming back to His Word, reading it, and having a desire to do Bible things in Bible Ways...I also believe we are being called out in the last days to do this, as the saints in Revelations are described as: Keeping His Commandments (all 10 of them) and having the testimony of Jesus...Revelations 12:17, 14:12 and 22:14! It is so exciting to see Abba waking up His children to how we will be walking with Him in the New Jerusalem! The shadow of things to come...we should not be staying away from it, if we are supposed to be doing these things with our King during His Reign...we should be treating our lives like a dress rehearsal and be living JUST as Jesus walked in His time on earth...Jesus and all the apostles kept the Sabbath and the Feasts...they were Jewish!! But did not stop even when Jesus returned to heaven! Paul was a Rabbi!! He continued to keep the Feasts throughout his time on earth...it is so beautiful...there is no "old and new" testament...they are the same:!] Does not our God claim He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow:?] What an exciting time to live on earth and watch these things come to pass!!
Do you have a primary or scholarly source that explains that he Waldenses celebrated the Sabbath on Saturday? While I haven't researched this in depth, the numerous times I have seen this claim made, I haven't seen it backed up by any solid research.
And even if they did, that doesn't mean that we should copy them. If so, they benefited from the Reformation as well. The Catholic Church is not the only institution that has ever needed reforming.
How would you have handled this if you were the Catholic Church at that time?
They should have changed in any error of doctrine or practice that the Waldenses pointed out.
@@DiscerningHistory Waldo/his disciple went to Rome to discuss the issues
In their medieval form the Albigensians were dualists, not Protestants.
Have y'all ever heard of thusia 7th day Adventist church?
No I haven't. Tell us
11th 12th possibly the 14th century?
It's amazing how vague scholarship can be sometimes
So basically protestants before it was cool
Waldenses,alebgensians,paulicians are pretty much what the anabaptist and IFB follow
The Waldenses had quite different views than the Albigensians or Paulicians. The later two groups held clearly heretical views, though the specific views of the Paulicians seem to have been lost to time.
in what sense "total depravity"?
Total depravity meaning the doctrine later preached by John Calvin during the Protestant Reformation in the doctrines of grace. It teaches that men are born dead in sins and trespasses, and are capable of no action that is good in God's eyes unless He regenerates them, gives them faith, and makes them spiritually alive.
Man, thes guys are hella based.
They are the true Saints of God, and you will see them on the 144,000 once Jesus Christ return
They kept the seventh day sabbath
By what evidence do you know this?
Calvinism is an anti-gospel.
So waldensians reject that comunion is the body of Christ as the Bible teaches and as The apostles’ disciples taught (for example Ignatius of Antioch)???
Interesting
no...the roman poop doctrine is that the wafer is the actual body of messiah etc but thats not scriptural at all...another catholic lie
@@mikha007 only way to Salvation is faith alone not works?
@@dewman7477faith produces works and works prove faith. Both go hand in hand.
Faith is first followed by works
@@mikha007 what works?
@@dewman7477 works of righteousness like repenting of our old lifestyle, prayer ,fasting obeying the 10 commands as best we can etc
So they were Protestants then
No
Yes. They would not have been called that but they did oppose the Catholic Church
They were proto Protestants
They're older than Protestant. .
Honestly, the Waldensians sort-of seem crazy with the complete poverty stuff. However at the same time, they did have some good beliefs compared to the Catholic church. I find it despicable to hate others based on their specific doctrine of faith, but calling the pope the anti-Christ is a little much. Complete poverty for bishops also isn't very nice as even Jesus wasn't completely impoverished. Plus we're supposed to worship Jesus with a lot of effort and the cathedrals sort-of respresented that effort.
"God is Spirit ,The time will come and now is the time that the true worshipers will worship God in spirit and in Truth". this is the word of God my dear ''a lot of effort" is so vague.
The papacy is the anti christ just by looking at the prophecies of Daniel. Nebuchadnezzar’s dream: gold=Babylon, silver=medo-Persia, bronze=Greece, Silver=Rome. Daniel later gets more info on these 4 empires through his vision of the 4 beasts, which represent these same 4 empires. The 4th empire has 10 horns, the 10 kingdoms that come out of Rome when it falls ( which is also the 10 toes mixed with iron and clay). Out of the midst of the 10 horns, comes a smaller horn that destroys 3 of the other horns. The papacy did that!!! The man of sin revealed!!
the poop calls himself 'vicarius dei' (in place of God) anti (in Place of) christ (messiah)
@@brandonvonbo9708 Cite the sources that proves your claims
@@instantinople3796 The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, by Edward Gibbon
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First, without Bishops they didn't have every office of the priesthood. Then, rejecting purgatory was going too far for it certainly exists (read Vision of Tundale) Finally, I don't know how they baptized yet, which I want to find out next, for if they baptized wrong or practiced the ordinances wrong then they did not have the Priesthood.
Purgatory does not exist in the bible.
@@jconlfe, amen!
Purgatory is not biblical
Actually the catholic church trying to commit genocide against the waldensian people is what's wrong
There are no priests in the New Testament
Abjure Protestant error and cleave to the One, Holy, Apostolic Church founded by Our Lord, Jesus Christ: the Catholic Church.
Jesus: I don’t know you. I speak Aramaic and you speak Greek. How can I understand you? I only love the Romans because they are the sons of my cousin Esau, son of Isaac.
So in short, Christianity was threatened by Waldensians because they didn't want the Church to have power. basically the same Christianity but no special treatment for fat cardinals.
they were heretics
According to the Roman Catholic church, but not according to the scriptures
Isn't this the same group that came to the gates of a monastery and murdered St. Peter Cambiano with a dagger? Those who used God's name for their own deeds or pleasures with no remorse for penance are not of Christ.
No
That is lies told by the catholic church @brandy
@@waldensiandescendant5866 only Salvation reached by faith alone not works of Catholic Church?
@@dewman7477 catholic church has been raping and killing babies and committing genocide since the middle ages so please don't preach your catholic beliefs to me