How thadou merge to meetei ..kuki are came 18 century ..si gumba mathong maram khangdaba professor sida respect tourininey ...meetei da ningthouja clan letei... Santida gosaina pokpa macha masu sing masana masa ningthouney haibani ..like RK kangbu.. history pao .
@@bijenchongthamHistory gi book khara recommend tourako, somna hairiba mayamsi yaoba aeisu pajage. Panghai haijanbdi touraknu. Mangang se yam chaowi, mangang gi manungdani Ningthouja dynasty leiribse. Ningthouja dynasty dagi sagei mayam thoklakae. Eg Ningthoujam, Mantrimayum etc Chatnabida Meitei Ningthou gi yumnak hapnaramde, 19 century dagi official treaty paperwork singda Rajkumar title oeina sijinba houkhi. Rajkumar di title ne ngasina yumnak ka equivalent oeina sijinbne. Hunpung Tangkhul gi ningthou su yumnak leite, aduna meitei ningthou ga machil manaoni hairibni. Ningthou fambal kabada tangkhul fina kuplaga karibse somgi sasinba history na kakpa ngamloi. Wari machet ama khnglaga oja sabana yaroi, tathok tasin tounasi.
@@bijenchongtham keino nang ngangiduna. bhagat oinamdi historian su nattage. subject to correction haise tadro. yamna khangladi challenge touna. Manipur history phajana kana eege loinamak controversial ngakta. Meitei macha ayamba little knowledge ta yam marei yetle.
As a mainlander, this has been quite eye opening. Politics aside, it seems the govt has failed to understand the north east as a whole. I appreciate Dr. Bhagat's opinion (especially recognising his own biases). And as a dilliwallah, i think it is time that the national narrative shifts from a delhi centric approach. Great job Abhijit, I've watched a couple of episodes and I like how you allow your guest to talk uninterrupted just guiding them along.
We always hear the the manipur issue from leftist point of view but a native member talk about this issue will tell the ground reality ,I hope peace comes to this beautiful land and meitei and kuki solve this issue and government put illegal immigrants back to myanmar
@@agentsmith_but the non indigenous original Jews kukis should be sent back to Israel or resettle them elsewhere for instance Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh, etc
Until and unless kuki realised their fault that bringing in refugees to expand their political and integral power will only backfire and create more confusion even among their so-called 'kuki umbrella', normalcy and peace in Manipur seems far from present
The person speaking is a Hindu bhakt, not left wing 😅but a right wing and a professor in Delhi who knows Manipuri history very well .😂😂😂😂😂y@@mysterious_billionaire
I am a Meetei Dear Professor, we are ok with the truth whether it favour meetei or any other. It doesn't matter, Truth should be truth only thats the value we carry on our back.
The truth don't favour any side. It's about how both sides react and respond to the truth. If truth truly did prevail, the conflict would've ended a long time back. But the conflict carries on because both sides are not satisfied with the truth and want to create their own desired outcomes. That's how every conflict escalates similarly everywhere. Israel-Palestine is in the same predicament. We're at a point where the truth has become blurred. Both sides got blood on their hands, which is why the hatred and fighting never ends.
@@lamyanbasingha9040 @lamyanbasingha9040 religiously ethnic wise it should be Meetei cuz in Meetei it includes all 7 clans but in Meitei it only represent Mangang clan. As Mangang clan used to rule Kangleipak we used Meitei
Well Explained, North East India's development is going to be crucial in the entire country's forward movement towards becoming a global superior. I had stayed in Manipur for quite a long time and I can vouch for most of the things that Mr. Oinam just said. Meiteis have become a minority is their own state. The government needs to find a resolution before it's too late.
Ya manipuri person can express ground reality of Manipur lets us support oja bimol kojam and thank to oja Oinam baggat for expressing the reality of manipur
I have searched this issue thousands of times on various websites but I couldn't find unbiased real issues related information. Almost every video shows Emotional drama but I wanted to know the core issues. Thank you soooooo much 100 times for sharing this video
How can you differentiate which is real and which is drama. It's only a choice of which side you want to believe. There is literally hundreds of manipuri conflict videos which were circulated in social media.
Thank you very much Abhijit Chawda ji for your courage and using the right term of prevailing LAND LAWS against Meiteis as APARTHEID absolutely LEGAL APARTHEID... " MEITEIS CAN'T SETTLED IN OTHER PARTS OF ITS OWN STATE EXCEPT IMPHAL VALLEY. AT the same time tribals can settle in valley and valley land purchased by tribals can't be owned or repurchased by meiteis. " No meiteis scholars or intellectuals never realize it. I fully accept it your term Legal Apartheid. This is a mind blowing to the meiteis. Heads off sir once again. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
The same tribals are claming hill areas as their own while villianized meitei never claim the valley as meiteiland....The same valley where around 34 communities reside.Think,who is the selfish one here.The tribals act as if they are oppressed by the meiteis.They talk about underdevelopment in hill areas but their own mla minister bureaucrats are enjoying the funds allocated to them. They will settle in Imphal and hardly even set foot on their native places.When election time comes they will spew hatred among the people that meiteis have gobbled up all their funds and so on....
thats what i wanted to say i have to hatred towards tribe but they have change the way of view,talk,and think. they just think of themself a as superior and they own all the hills@@Darthvader12245
It is not necessary that we all agree with whatever Dr. Oinam said. But to my ear, he is doing justice to every community, particularly with respect to communities in Manipur. Looking forward to hear more! Salute❤
As Dr.Bhagat oinam mentioned kuki are nomadic's yes they settle here in our district (Dima Hasao ,Assam) and we Dimasa's have a war between kuki ,Hmar On present day they are demanding for the bifurcation and want a separate district out of it .
These communities are call PARASITIC human body ,if they enter anywhere they will make history and claims there ancestral land then cleansing indigenous people.
It is quite obvious from this narrative that each communities in Manipur have merged with one another, especially between Meitei, Naga and Kuki people. As a Rongmei( Kabui Naga) I have been told that during the Meitei's clan war many Rongmei ( Kabui ) also helped some particular clan and later merged with the Meitei clan in the valley most probably, the Khuman clan and the Moirang clan( subject to correction).
@@FrancisKThomte Naga is a political term, first coined by the British. It doesn't have any historical significance, regarding identity. It's a political identity to group many different groups to achieve a political goal. Rongmeis don't have any similarities with Tangkhul Or any Naga tribe of Nagaland.
@@Luwanglithis becomes another reason for our brothers and sisters from far east of country to hate us and feel secluded from the rest of the country 🤦
It is extremely delightful to learn many insightful historical findings & facts from Dr. Bhagat Oinam. Thank You Abhijit Chavda for conducting such a wonderful Talk. 🙏
Such elaborate explanation require to convince non manipuri particularly mainland indians.it will definitely help to understand the current situation in this stare
Everyone's asking for a solution, well you have it. Dr. Bhagat Oinam has shared it. Now, it's time for the Central and the State government to act accordingly
Dont blame Christians instead blame the PM and Amit Shah for not giving importance to the matter. Otherwise, had they intervened 11 months back, everything would have been solved. Lack of political will..Thats it! No need to divide anyone further...PM and Home Minister should speak up on the matter
I am from kangpokpi area and Well, influx of illigal kukis and the poppy cultivation can't be denied.. the river in kangpokpi which were parennial till 2000 now runs dry during the autumn season, coz of the destruction of the forest by the kukis. The river in the kuki inhabited area are striped of big stones coz of over quarrying and the use of chemical and battery to fish have suck the lives of river creature. since they are living not in their original land they don't really care about the environment..
Abhijit sir is a man of indepth knowledge and Mr. Bhagat Oinam is undoubtedly a man of profound and unbiased knowledge. Thanks for such a precious interview
Fact: Kabaw valley was given to Myanmar in exchange with Andaman and Nicobar Island of Burmese after Indian independence as a part of negotiation with Myanmar by Indian government. Seeing the potential of Andaman and Nicobar on goods/oil transport canal/route, Indian Government (PM Nehru signed it) gave away kabaw valley without any discussion withe natives and Manipuris.
sir, please interview Lt general (rtd), L Nishikanta Singh. He will cover the part of the story from military point of view. He has lots of ideas, about complexities and solutions on militants/insurgents of NE in general and particular about Manipur.
Abhijit Sir, Please if you have more contacts with Home Ministry or Sir Oinam, please make sure that this detailed case shall not be prolonged. This is need of the hour and to be of immediate attention for our Govt. To solve this issue. We are all one, better representation and inclusion will be fruitful for all.
1.MIZO use Kuki 4 internal stability of Mizoram so that they can sent all the 50000 illegal immigrants from Myanmar which they kept in their state and get big market by shifting from Manipur moreh to mizoram chamapai district 2..ARMY use kuki 4 counter insurgency operation to killed meitei since SOO aggreement in 2005 that was done secretly without the knowledge of Manipur govt that was unearthed recently in Manipur assembly... 3..India Govt use Kuki 4 kaladan project in Myanmar.. 4...BJP use kuki 4 election already kuki militant said in NIA affidavit that BJP amit shah and Himanta biswas sharma give assurance to them if bjp come to power in Manipur 5..kingpin use Kuki 4 narco bussines and poppy plantation . 6.even Britisher use kuki 2 control Manipur as per record 7 all over kuki chin have bigger plan to form a new country called zalengam which is cooking for more than 70 yrs.. So is win win for all parties and except for people of Manipur especially indigenous Meitei who rule Manipur for more than 5000 yrs of history with its own kingdom
@@user-li5hc5mb4u very well said. Point#1- We love and respect our Indian army for safe guarding us and their sacrifices. However, there are instances of soldiers being doing unethical things ( such issues can be found in Punjab and upper area). In case of Manipur, Assam rifles are being deployed since very long period of time and people of Manipur have faced cruelty from them such as rapes, involving in drug business etc. (again not all of them are same) mistakes happens. Now to encounter meitei insurgency groups, centre and Indian army make a pact with the kuki insurgent groups and signed the so called Soo agreement. Since then the AR( Assam rifles) are bit inclined towards kuki as both are benefiting from each other's. Now the question is , kuki started the clash in churchandpur area and started killing meitei civilians because some miscreants burnt few tyres infront of their so called gate hich by the way is built up by rocks and iron . They should have reported to the police who could have registered the appropriate action would have been taken. However, they almost wiped out the entire population of meitei even army did not interfere ( isn't it amazing). Point #2. There's nothing to say since there was no reference mentioned. Point#3- well said, any action of violence or crime must be dealt as per the law. However, what you see and heard is only from the valley, there is no news coming in or out from their side, since they are in hills. But as meities lives in valley, every nathu and mathu knows what happens in valley even what colour of poty was done. Point#4 - meities aspiration to establish kangleipak. Well Manipur was kangleipak and changed to Manipur after being merged to India. So they are not trying to establish anything instead they are trying to be what they were ( a princely state). With time, things changes and meitei people are now more inclined towards India and are proud to be Indian. However, there will still be a faction of people who wants freedom as they were once before. So you must rethink about the theory of meiteis aspiration. Now for the last part as why Manipur govt has not given land to Naga and kuki needs a detailed explanation from my side but first I want to know abt u a little bit . Which part of the country ar you from?? And why religion do you follow??. Just let know this and then I ll explain you with context
MEITEI are far Evolved Society Koupulu Civilization to Tangkhul Nurabi Ofcourse The 7 clans system is the living proof ❤ that Kabui Tangkhul Maring Inpui Anal Thangal Chothe all belong to the umbrella of 7 CLANS
48:22 Was there any clashes between the Kukis and the Nagas living in the South? Short Answer: Yes. "As per the accounts of Sir Robert Reids, the Kuki mercenaries massacred about 176 persons of Goitang village and total of about 76 houses were completely razed to ashes." Goitang is a village in Khoupum, Noney District. People there still narrates vividly of the massacre. The Kukis butchered the villagers in the dead of the night when the villagers were fast asleep in their morung after a day of festivities which included cultural dances, cultural sports and drinking of rice beer. It is said that wooden pestles used for pounding rice, usually about 5-10 kilos heavy, were floating from the blood that flowed from the massacre. Many of the Rongmei villages towards South of Khoupum valley were occupied by the Kukis.
Phaomei brother 14:54 it's time now to to fight what they have done in phaomei family in past not to forget kuki the refugees people captured all the land which u have live in past years
Sometimes you can be blunt.... Some(not all) officers of the country's Armed forces are conniving with the immigrants against the indigenous people to have a good control over the insurgency situation out here. Some even helping them to rewrite history to validate their claims. It's high time the central Govt look into the matter as maximum indigenous civilians doesn't support insurgents out here. However, they've been victimized because of the incompetancies of those officers. This has become one reason for the anti India feelings amongst the indigenous folks.
The Migration from the East Mentioned is the Poileitol Khunthokpa , Poileitol with his people left the valley due to the Catastrophic Flood that almost wipe out the fertile land ,he had to travel to the East and return after being Invited . Poileitol and Pakhangpa Compete to become the King and Pakhangpa won and become King marrying Poileitol sister Luwang Leisna. NONG Ta Lai len Pakhangpa became king after that Migration and most people of that Chakpa Migration still live in Andro ❤.
Abhijit Sir is quite adorable for his wonderful insights about Manipur. His earlier interview concerning MANIPUR was a brilliant masterpiece which every truth seekers must watch.
Very nice...u have done conversation with both MEITEIs ( A.Bimol..amd O Bhagat...) please try 1 or 2 kuki members ... let's see how kuku explained... Your viewers eagerly waiting for kuki opinions...
As soon as illegal cookies arrived in India their life is settle .I. Mean they will get a ST status and will enjoy all the privileges India government provide to ST.confusing India policy which lead to many problem.
ZO People/Zo Nations - But wrongly called Kuki by the British invader. Kuki is a word which is foreign to the so called Kuki People. It does not have any meaning, and if you ask anyone from the so called Kukis and let them try to define it literally, no one will be able to explain, define or give meaning to the word Kuki, NO ONE. These people are called Kuki because this is a name given by outside people esp East India Company - The Briitish agents, scholars, officials and their Indian emoloyees viz soldiers, workers, porters etc. just like how Europeans called the people who they found in America as the Red Indians - whereas they called themselves Navajos, Mohican, Commanches, Apaches, Mayans, Aztecs etc..). As a layman and who do not have any academic expertise my observarion especially In Manipur and many parts of NE, if you can speak and understand different dialects then linguistically - Meitei dialects, many Naga dialects & different so called Kuki dialects have many similarities. There are many common words between these communities - from present western Myanmar region and extending towards many parts of NE India. For instance counting numbers - 1 - Meitei - Ama, Kuki, Mizo etc - Khat, Pakhat etc 2. Ani, Hnih, Nih, pahnih 3. Ahum, thum, pathum 4. Mari, Li, Pali, 5. Manga, nga, panga 6. Taruk, Guk, Ruk, Paruk 7. Taret, Sagih, Sari, Pasarih 8. Nipan, Giet, Giat, Riat, Pariat 9. Mapan, Kuo, Kua, Pakua 10. Tara, Som, 11. Tara ama, Som le khat, Sawmpakhat 12. Tara ani, Som le nih, Sawmpahnih 13. Tara ahum, som leh thum, Sawmpathum etc... Fire : Meitei lon - Mei, Kuki Zo, Mizo - Mei Fish - Nga, Ngha, Nga, ngasa, Sangha Food - Chak, Chaw, Buh Meat - Sa, Sa, Sa, Sa Earth - Lei, Lei, Lei, Lei Sun - Nung, Ni, Ni, Ni Moon - Tha, Tha, Tha, Thla You/Yoursef - Nang/Nahak, Nang, Nang, Nangmah Me - Ei, Ei, Ei, Kei People - Mi, Mi, Mi, Mi Also please note there are also many borrowed words from their neighbours like - Bengoli, Assamese, Hindi, English etc in later years probably from 17th to 19th Centuries. If you are a true linguistic expert you will find hundres of words that sound similar, how sentences are consructed etc.. Many traditional old practices, customs, religious etc are also interchanged between these communities. Apart from the Nagas, the so called Kukis are called Chins/Zo/Yo in Burma, Kuki/Zo/Mizo in India, Kuki in Bangladesh. Chin is also a name given by the burmese and british to these group of people, and even the Meiteis (Kathes) also fall under the Chin group in Butma. But the majority of them called themselves which is very very common amongst these groups is they identified themselves as ZO - From South Western Myanmar, NE India to Bangladesh. Look at your google map and you will find these regions have maximum Hill Ranges and some valleys occupied by the ZO people, and the name of maximum villages are ZO names only. If you really want to find out take some journalists, anthropologists and scholars from NE with you and visit all these places. It will be a real eye opener on the ground reality, not from some room in Mumbai or Delhi. And don't believe every narrative in the internet.
the so called 'kathes' are the meities imprisoned by the burmeses king when they invaded manipur.....what about the kukis claiming themselves as the lost tribe of israel?
(Bee) mizo= meitei = Khuai (Hair) mizo= meitei=Sam (Dog) mizo=meitei=Ui (meat) mizo= meitei= sa (Pig) mizo= meitei=vawk/awk (monkey)mizo=meitei= zawng/yang many similar vocubular or pronounciation and meaning
@@isahauhnar since u r d lost tribe of pluto u might have adopted from the meities...clearly mentioned in history u were imported to manipur for labor sm hundred years ago....kuki = kuli
Its a beautiful piece giving complete perspective of historical faultlines leading to the present day crisis. I have 1 suggestion. All of us may not find time for long podcasts. Also, your speakers having wealth of knowledge will speak for long. May be, you may consider giving a 5-10 min gist in the end. It'll offer 2 choices to your viewers: see the whole podcast or listen to your 10 min brief or summary. Thanks
Mr Jaishankar once famously said to stop being Euro centric and he quoted Europe problems are world problem’s but the world problems are not Europe problems ,that’s exactly what I feel now.Manipur problems are not Delhi problems and that’s the reason for muted response from Delhi.
The Treaty of Sanjenthong, signed in 1873, was a significant peace accord that delineated clear boundaries and aimed to establish peace between the parties involved. It was signed between Maharaja Chandrakirti Singh, the ruler of Manipur, and Sumkam Guite, representing the Kuki-Zo ethnic group. This treaty played a crucial role in defining territorial boundaries and fostering peaceful coexistence between the parties, marking an important historical agreement in the region.
@@dineshnongmaithem4564 Raja Goukhothang Guite(Paite) holds significant historical importance in the history of Manipur. He was a powerful ruler of the Guite dynasty, known for his strength and authority. His capture and subsequent death in 1871 at the hands of the Manipur Maharaja Chandrakirti marked a pivotal moment in the region's history, leading to tensions between the Meitei and Zomi communities. The signing of the Treaty of Sanjenthong in 1873 between Sumkam Guite, Raja Goukhothang's son, and Maharaja Chandrakirti aimed to establish peace and delineate boundaries, further highlighting the historical significance of Raja Goukhothang Guite in Manipur's past.
@@strictlyssc189 The delineated territorial boundary established between Manipur Maharaja Chandrakirti and Sumkam Guite in the 1870s signifies that the Maharaja's rule was limited to certain regions, particularly the Southern region, which is present-day Lamka district.
Pangal or Manipuri Muslims are not Meitei. They speak Meiteilon as their mother tongue as they don't have their own mother tongue. They came to Manipur in 17th century and their foremothers are Meitei women as the King of Manipur made Meitei women married to the immigrated Muslim men. So they are a mixed ethnic group. THEY ARE NOT MEITEI and THEY SHOUD BE CALLED PANGAL.
In kuki demographics changes, they included the oldest tribe of Manipur to kuki umbrella to prove that immigration kuki can be justified. This activity also increases the population count and ratio of population count changes drastically
This talk is a Wikipedia Note for other national media channels who are blindly reporting about present Manipur crisis. Hope mainland channels should listen this talk first before blaming Meetei community in support of foreigners.
Sir, at that time it was not Mandalay that Meitei King Pamheiba aka Garib Niwaz attacked. It was Amrapura, the Capital of the Burmese Kingdom of Ava. Amrapura was a city next to Mandalay. But as Mandalay city expanded it encompassed Amrapura & now Amrapura is part of Mandalay city.
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only You sir Abhijit Chavda… only you Sir seem to actively and genuinely care and pay interest to the situation in Manipur! Ty Sir
Dr. Bhagat Oinam , Dr. Bimol Akoijam are an inspiration for many... Huge Respect 👍👍👍
How thadou merge to meetei ..kuki are came 18 century ..si gumba mathong maram khangdaba professor sida respect tourininey ...meetei da ningthouja clan letei... Santida gosaina pokpa macha masu sing masana masa ningthouney haibani ..like RK kangbu.. history pao .
@@bijenchongthamHistory gi book khara recommend tourako, somna hairiba mayamsi yaoba aeisu pajage. Panghai haijanbdi touraknu. Mangang se yam chaowi, mangang gi manungdani Ningthouja dynasty leiribse.
Ningthouja dynasty dagi sagei mayam thoklakae.
Eg Ningthoujam, Mantrimayum etc
Chatnabida Meitei Ningthou gi yumnak hapnaramde, 19 century dagi official treaty paperwork singda Rajkumar title oeina sijinba houkhi. Rajkumar di title ne ngasina yumnak ka equivalent oeina sijinbne. Hunpung Tangkhul gi ningthou su yumnak leite, aduna meitei ningthou ga machil manaoni hairibni. Ningthou fambal kabada tangkhul fina kuplaga karibse somgi sasinba history na kakpa ngamloi.
Wari machet ama khnglaga oja sabana yaroi, tathok tasin tounasi.
@@bijenchongthamoja Bharat na haibse achumbni. Kuki haina puya da thengnaroi,khongjai eramni, kuki majority 90% di 1840 matung chnglakpni. Meitei da khagi(yunan chinese) merge toukhi, khagisingna thong nambolbi sarame.
Meiteida chakpa merge toukhi, chakpa-andro, chakpa-phayeng, chakpa-sekmai etc.
Meiteida brahmin merge toukhi, bamol oeikhi.
Meitei ta kshetri merge toukhi, kshetrimayum oeikhi.
Meitei da Thadou-singson khara merge toukhi, Sougaijam oeikhi.
Masi hai haiduna chinese, mayang, kuki loina meitei ni haiba yaba nate, mari leinarami haibatni, artha lanna hanbiganu.
@@bijenchongtham keino nang ngangiduna.
bhagat oinamdi historian su nattage. subject to correction haise tadro. yamna khangladi challenge touna. Manipur history phajana kana eege loinamak controversial ngakta. Meitei macha ayamba little knowledge ta yam marei yetle.
I think you are not meitei because you don't know about the history of manipur.
As a mainlander, this has been quite eye opening. Politics aside, it seems the govt has failed to understand the north east as a whole. I appreciate Dr. Bhagat's opinion (especially recognising his own biases). And as a dilliwallah, i think it is time that the national narrative shifts from a delhi centric approach. Great job Abhijit, I've watched a couple of episodes and I like how you allow your guest to talk uninterrupted just guiding them along.
Well a manipuri person can only explain manipuri crisis with ground realities.
he is not chinese rt
@@kingkongjapanesebladehe's a leftist liberal 😮😅😊
@@kingkongjapanesebladeyou’re not Indian rt?
@@Bulletproof_scout he's from Myanmar. Entered India illegally, let's send him back to Myanmar and hand over to the Junta! Jai hind!
1¹¹¹ @@kingkongjapaneseblade
A true indigenous people can only tell you the real history of Manipur..Well said...These are all facts..👍
This is one of the best vdo abt Manipur. People will still come back after ten years to listen Dr. Bhagat Oinam.
Professor Bhagat is highly respected, known for his kindness and exceptional intellectual prowess.
Its an Honour to be the Part of this Podcast...Special thanks to Dr.Bhagat Oinam...
We always hear the the manipur issue from leftist point of view but a native member talk about this issue will tell the ground reality ,I hope peace comes to this beautiful land and meitei and kuki solve this issue and government put illegal immigrants back to myanmar
Bhai uttarakhand se ho na
@@U0204LoG haan bhai
@@agentsmith_but the non indigenous original Jews kukis should be sent back to Israel or resettle them elsewhere for instance Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh, etc
Until and unless kuki realised their fault that bringing in refugees to expand their political and integral power will only backfire and create more confusion even among their so-called 'kuki umbrella', normalcy and peace in Manipur seems far from present
A big salute to Abhijit Sir.. when the mainstream indian Godi Media is ignoring us, you are the voice of the true Manipuri People
Great 😢 if you need any financial support pls contact me 😊
Sir, Abhijit Chavda... I personally have no words to thanks for exposing the truth in everything.... ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
A native Meitei should speak on this matter as it happened now!
Not the left wing "Liberal-Independent-Democratic-Socialist Media persons".
Is the person speaking meitei or left wing?
@@mysterious_billionaire One can be both
The person speaking is a Hindu bhakt, not left wing 😅but a right wing and a professor in Delhi who knows Manipuri history very well .😂😂😂😂😂y@@mysterious_billionaire
@@ranjanalongjam Yes hard facts seem to be Hindu bhakti at you, average libtard.
@@ranjanalongjam hindu bhakt? The heck is this word don't drag religion into this topic where it is unnecessary
I am a Meetei
Dear Professor, we are ok with the truth whether it favour meetei or any other. It doesn't matter, Truth should be truth only thats the value we carry on our back.
Some say Meetei & some say Meitei, why’s that?
@@tysonmissile5104 it's the same Meitei/Meetei
The truth don't favour any side. It's about how both sides react and respond to the truth.
If truth truly did prevail, the conflict would've ended a long time back. But the conflict carries on because both sides are not satisfied with the truth and want to create their own desired outcomes.
That's how every conflict escalates similarly everywhere. Israel-Palestine is in the same predicament.
We're at a point where the truth has become blurred. Both sides got blood on their hands, which is why the hatred and fighting never ends.
@lamyanbasingha904😊0
@@lamyanbasingha9040 @lamyanbasingha9040 religiously ethnic wise it should be Meetei cuz in Meetei it includes all 7 clans but in Meitei it only represent Mangang clan. As Mangang clan used to rule Kangleipak we used Meitei
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The truth when told by our intellectuals will be very hard to digest by those who have no roots. Well done Prof. Bhagat. A big salute to you!
Well Explained, North East India's development is going to be crucial in the entire country's forward movement towards becoming a global superior. I had stayed in Manipur for quite a long time and I can vouch for most of the things that Mr. Oinam just said. Meiteis have become a minority is their own state. The government needs to find a resolution before it's too late.
Ya manipuri person can express ground reality of Manipur lets us support oja bimol kojam and thank to oja Oinam baggat for expressing the reality of manipur
I have searched this issue thousands of times on various websites but I couldn't find unbiased real issues related information. Almost every video shows Emotional drama but I wanted to know the core issues. Thank you soooooo much 100 times for sharing this video
Please listen a discussion with professor bimol ..you will know more details
How can you differentiate which is real and which is drama. It's only a choice of which side you want to believe. There is literally hundreds of manipuri conflict videos which were circulated in social media.
@@Pirate19908 yeah. So??
@@Pirate19908 yeah, so? What's your problem?
@@Pirate19908 you ll find the recorded history history which can't be modified
Thank you very much Abhijit Chawda ji for your courage and using the right term of prevailing LAND LAWS against Meiteis as APARTHEID absolutely LEGAL APARTHEID... " MEITEIS CAN'T SETTLED IN OTHER PARTS OF ITS OWN STATE EXCEPT IMPHAL VALLEY. AT the same time tribals can settle in valley and valley land purchased by tribals can't be owned or repurchased by meiteis. "
No meiteis scholars or intellectuals never realize it.
I fully accept it your term Legal Apartheid. This is a mind blowing to the meiteis.
Heads off sir once again. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
The same tribals are claming hill areas as their own while villianized meitei never claim the valley as meiteiland....The same valley where around 34 communities reside.Think,who is the selfish one here.The tribals act as if they are oppressed by the meiteis.They talk about underdevelopment in hill areas but their own mla minister bureaucrats are enjoying the funds allocated to them. They will settle in Imphal and hardly even set foot on their native places.When election time comes they will spew hatred among the people that meiteis have gobbled up all their funds and so on....
thats what i wanted to say i have to hatred towards tribe but they have change the way of view,talk,and think. they just think of themself a as superior and they own all the hills@@Darthvader12245
This discussion worth forecasting in National media
Dr Bhagat Oinam spitting every real truth salute sir 🫡
It is not necessary that we all agree with whatever Dr. Oinam said. But to my ear, he is doing justice to every community, particularly with respect to communities in Manipur. Looking forward to hear more! Salute❤
As Dr.Bhagat oinam mentioned kuki are nomadic's yes they settle here in our district (Dima Hasao ,Assam) and we Dimasa's have a war between kuki ,Hmar
On present day they are demanding for the bifurcation and want a separate district out of it .
These communities are call PARASITIC human body ,if they enter anywhere they will make history and claims there ancestral land then cleansing indigenous people.
That is what they do everywhere they go. Now, they have started in Bangladesh
We are weak because we are not unite, we must all unite as people of TAI
It is quite obvious from this narrative that each communities in Manipur have merged with one another, especially between Meitei, Naga and Kuki people. As a Rongmei( Kabui Naga) I have been told that during the Meitei's clan war many Rongmei ( Kabui ) also helped some particular clan and later merged with the Meitei clan in the valley most probably, the Khuman clan and the Moirang clan( subject to correction).
Meitei, kabui and Tangkhul seems to have the closest relationship.
Yes ,it's true
Ok that means you are a kabui meitei🤣🤣not kabui naga
@FrancisKThomte I didn't say that. Even Kuki people also have similar story.
@@FrancisKThomte Naga is a political term, first coined by the British. It doesn't have any historical significance, regarding identity. It's a political identity to group many different groups to achieve a political goal. Rongmeis don't have any similarities with Tangkhul Or any Naga tribe of Nagaland.
Movies should be made on such historical events dammmm this way rest of India and World will be able to know the Manipur with more depth
Suggestions have been made to include the northeast history in school books but not much has been done. Very unfortunate
@@Luwanglithis becomes another reason for our brothers and sisters from far east of country to hate us and feel secluded from the rest of the country 🤦
@@LuwangliMany previous Governments kept north east India isolated now China is claiming Arunachal Pradesh is theirs.
It is extremely delightful to learn many insightful historical findings & facts from Dr. Bhagat Oinam. Thank You Abhijit Chavda for conducting such a wonderful Talk. 🙏
Sirji this conversation should be viral in India
Such elaborate explanation require to convince non manipuri particularly mainland indians.it will definitely help to understand the current situation in this stare
🥺🥺 economy in manipur is crumbling down becoming worse and worse now metei civilians are suffering more and more 😢😢😢😭😫
And could someone chime in what's the socio economic situation in hill parts of Manipur these days? bad or just getting worse?
@@GroovyJam44it's getting worse
@@fuyoutube854 THta's not good. Need to end this madness ASAP
Sir bhagat well speak to manipur history. God bless you in everytime.
Everyone's asking for a solution, well you have it. Dr. Bhagat Oinam has shared it. Now, it's time for the Central and the State government to act accordingly
Atlast a voice of reality and thank you Abhijit for giving this opportunity
Dont blame Christians instead blame the PM and Amit Shah for not giving importance to the matter. Otherwise, had they intervened 11 months back, everything would have been solved. Lack of political will..Thats it! No need to divide anyone further...PM and Home Minister should speak up on the matter
I am from kangpokpi area and Well, influx of illigal kukis and the poppy cultivation can't be denied.. the river in kangpokpi which were parennial till 2000 now runs dry during the autumn season, coz of the destruction of the forest by the kukis. The river in the kuki inhabited area are striped of big stones coz of over quarrying and the use of chemical and battery to fish have suck the lives of river creature. since they are living not in their original land they don't really care about the environment..
This kind of justified and factual historical views shall be seriously gone through by people of the whole world.
please tell karan thapar to watch this before conducting another interview
Free from politics its satisfying 👍👍👍👍
26:50 i am really shocked and amazed by Dr Oinam's knowledge.
Because being a Dimasa i have 5-6 Manipuri friends who doesn't even know whats dimasa 😅
Sir Abhijit and Dr Bhagat salute to you for such a wonderful factual discussion.
Wonderful conversation between Bhagat and Abhijit. Kudos.
Abhijit sir is a man of indepth knowledge and Mr. Bhagat Oinam is undoubtedly a man of profound and unbiased knowledge. Thanks for such a precious interview
Fact: Kabaw valley was given to Myanmar in exchange with Andaman and Nicobar Island of Burmese after Indian independence as a part of negotiation with Myanmar by Indian government. Seeing the potential of Andaman and Nicobar on goods/oil transport canal/route, Indian Government (PM Nehru signed it) gave away kabaw valley without any discussion withe natives and Manipuris.
sir, please interview Lt general (rtd), L Nishikanta Singh. He will cover the part of the story from military point of view. He has lots of ideas, about complexities and solutions on militants/insurgents of NE in general and particular about Manipur.
Everything starts with nehru...
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Man I wish Sardar vallabai Patel should have been PM these Manipur issues Pok China occupies should have never happened
lol, poor guy, in hindsight though, everyones a villain.
such an illuminating and enlightening session..Thanks to both of you. Hope this may help to many to understand the truth of Manipur.
Abhijit Sir, Please if you have more contacts with Home Ministry or Sir Oinam, please make sure that this detailed case shall not be prolonged. This is need of the hour and to be of immediate attention for our Govt. To solve this issue. We are all one, better representation and inclusion will be fruitful for all.
Modi probably has a plan. In the meantime the youths of Manipur are stocking guns and ammunition.
1.MIZO use Kuki 4 internal stability of Mizoram so that they can sent all the 50000 illegal immigrants from Myanmar which they kept in their state and get big market by shifting from Manipur moreh to mizoram chamapai district
2..ARMY use kuki 4 counter insurgency operation to killed meitei since SOO aggreement in 2005 that was done secretly without the knowledge of Manipur govt that was unearthed recently in Manipur assembly...
3..India Govt use Kuki 4 kaladan project in Myanmar..
4...BJP use kuki 4 election already kuki militant said in NIA affidavit that BJP amit shah and Himanta biswas sharma give assurance to them if bjp come to power in Manipur
5..kingpin use Kuki 4 narco bussines and poppy plantation .
6.even Britisher use kuki 2 control Manipur as per record
7 all over kuki chin have bigger plan to form a new country called zalengam which is cooking for more than 70 yrs..
So is win win for all parties and except for people of Manipur especially indigenous Meitei who rule Manipur for more than 5000 yrs of history with its own kingdom
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@@user-li5hc5mb4u kuki bot spotted
Not a single kukis will reply on this comment
@@user-li5hc5mb4u very well said. Point#1- We love and respect our Indian army for safe guarding us and their sacrifices. However, there are instances of soldiers being doing unethical things ( such issues can be found in Punjab and upper area). In case of Manipur, Assam rifles are being deployed since very long period of time and people of Manipur have faced cruelty from them such as rapes, involving in drug business etc. (again not all of them are same) mistakes happens. Now to encounter meitei insurgency groups, centre and Indian army make a pact with the kuki insurgent groups and signed the so called Soo agreement. Since then the AR( Assam rifles) are bit inclined towards kuki as both are benefiting from each other's. Now the question is , kuki started the clash in churchandpur area and started killing meitei civilians because some miscreants burnt few tyres infront of their so called gate hich by the way is built up by rocks and iron . They should have reported to the police who could have registered the appropriate action would have been taken. However, they almost wiped out the entire population of meitei even army did not interfere ( isn't it amazing).
Point #2. There's nothing to say since there was no reference mentioned.
Point#3- well said, any action of violence or crime must be dealt as per the law. However, what you see and heard is only from the valley, there is no news coming in or out from their side, since they are in hills. But as meities lives in valley, every nathu and mathu knows what happens in valley even what colour of poty was done.
Point#4 - meities aspiration to establish kangleipak. Well Manipur was kangleipak and changed to Manipur after being merged to India. So they are not trying to establish anything instead they are trying to be what they were ( a princely state). With time, things changes and meitei people are now more inclined towards India and are proud to be Indian. However, there will still be a faction of people who wants freedom as they were once before. So you must rethink about the theory of meiteis aspiration.
Now for the last part as why Manipur govt has not given land to Naga and kuki needs a detailed explanation from my side but first I want to know abt u a little bit . Which part of the country ar you from?? And why religion do you follow??. Just let know this and then I ll explain you with context
Very clearly explained by Oinam Sir. This should be an eye opener for the govt of manipur as well as native people of Manipur
Hello we the native people or state govt. understand it. It's GOI who don't understand it ...
Very very important talks for the next generation of youths .... thanks to both.
Thanks you all, Abhijit and Bhagat for your valuable talking
MEITEI are far Evolved Society
Koupulu Civilization to Tangkhul Nurabi
Ofcourse The 7 clans system is the living proof ❤ that Kabui Tangkhul Maring Inpui Anal Thangal Chothe all belong to the umbrella of 7 CLANS
Really.. really.. well explained.One of the best, long and deep podcast that i have ever watched. Respect to both humans.
Hope Manipur gets the right support from govt .
48:22 Was there any clashes between the Kukis and the Nagas living in the South?
Short Answer: Yes.
"As per the accounts of Sir Robert Reids, the Kuki mercenaries massacred about 176 persons of Goitang village and total of about 76 houses were completely razed to ashes."
Goitang is a village in Khoupum, Noney District.
People there still narrates vividly of the massacre. The Kukis butchered the villagers in the dead of the night when the villagers were fast asleep in their morung after a day of festivities which included cultural dances, cultural sports and drinking of rice beer.
It is said that wooden pestles used for pounding rice, usually about 5-10 kilos heavy, were floating from the blood that flowed from the massacre.
Many of the Rongmei villages towards South of Khoupum valley were occupied by the Kukis.
rongmeiencyclopedia.wordpress.com/2024/02/28/kuki-massacre-of-innocent-naga-villagers-colonial-account/
Phaomei brother 14:54 it's time now to to fight what they have done in phaomei family in past not to forget kuki the refugees people captured all the land which u have live in past years
Brother we both have war once in the past ..let’s forget about it, not only us but the nagas too
Bro don't point their mistakes. Kukis will never accept it. They are narcissists
One of the best interview with truths.👍👍👍
Sometimes you can be blunt.... Some(not all) officers of the country's Armed forces are conniving with the immigrants against the indigenous people to have a good control over the insurgency situation out here. Some even helping them to rewrite history to validate their claims. It's high time the central Govt look into the matter as maximum indigenous civilians doesn't support insurgents out here. However, they've been victimized because of the incompetancies of those officers. This has become one reason for the anti India feelings amongst the indigenous folks.
There's something more deeper than what most of the people know
Wish I could put million likes and let the whole world knows the ground facts of what's happening in manipur ❤
Perfect explanation.
The Migration from the East Mentioned is the Poileitol Khunthokpa ,
Poileitol with his people left the valley due to the Catastrophic Flood that almost wipe out the fertile land ,he had to travel to the East and return after being Invited .
Poileitol and Pakhangpa Compete to become the King and Pakhangpa won and become King marrying Poileitol sister Luwang Leisna.
NONG Ta Lai len Pakhangpa became king after that Migration and most people of that Chakpa Migration still live in Andro ❤.
This is much needed podcast!!!! Thank you Abhijit sir.
So much thanks to Abhijit Chavda sir for such incredible discussion ❤❤❤
Abhijit Sir is quite adorable for his wonderful insights about Manipur. His earlier interview concerning MANIPUR was a brilliant masterpiece which every truth seekers must watch.
True. All Indians must watch this
Thank to abhijit sir for such a detail interview
Very nice...u have done conversation with both MEITEIs ( A.Bimol..amd O
Bhagat...) please try 1 or 2 kuki members ... let's see how kuku explained... Your viewers eagerly waiting for kuki opinions...
The sad reality is there are no kuki scholars.. with no history so finding one is impossible 😂
And people criticize abijit sir as pro modi....great work as always sir..🙏🏻
20% people, you know they have problems with everyone in the world
Huge respect sir for the unbiased facts ❤
Huge respect to Abhijit & Bhagat SIR
As soon as illegal cookies arrived in India their life is settle .I. Mean they will get a ST status and will enjoy all the privileges India government provide to ST.confusing India policy which lead to many problem.
ZO People/Zo Nations - But wrongly called Kuki by the British invader. Kuki is a word which is foreign to the so called Kuki People. It does not have any meaning, and if you ask anyone from the so called Kukis and let them try to define it literally, no one will be able to explain, define or give meaning to the word Kuki, NO ONE. These people are called Kuki because this is a name given by outside people esp East India Company - The Briitish agents, scholars, officials and their Indian emoloyees viz soldiers, workers, porters etc. just like how Europeans called the people who they found in America as the Red Indians - whereas they called themselves Navajos, Mohican, Commanches, Apaches, Mayans, Aztecs etc..).
As a layman and who do not have any academic expertise my observarion especially In Manipur and many parts of NE, if you can speak and understand different dialects then linguistically - Meitei dialects, many Naga dialects & different so called Kuki dialects have many similarities.
There are many common words between these communities - from present western Myanmar region and extending towards many parts of NE India.
For instance counting numbers -
1 - Meitei - Ama, Kuki, Mizo etc - Khat, Pakhat etc
2. Ani, Hnih, Nih, pahnih
3. Ahum, thum, pathum
4. Mari, Li, Pali,
5. Manga, nga, panga
6. Taruk, Guk, Ruk, Paruk
7. Taret, Sagih, Sari, Pasarih
8. Nipan, Giet, Giat, Riat, Pariat
9. Mapan, Kuo, Kua, Pakua
10. Tara, Som,
11. Tara ama, Som le khat, Sawmpakhat
12. Tara ani, Som le nih, Sawmpahnih
13. Tara ahum, som leh thum, Sawmpathum etc...
Fire : Meitei lon - Mei, Kuki Zo, Mizo - Mei
Fish - Nga, Ngha, Nga, ngasa, Sangha
Food - Chak, Chaw, Buh
Meat - Sa, Sa, Sa, Sa
Earth - Lei, Lei, Lei, Lei
Sun - Nung, Ni, Ni, Ni
Moon - Tha, Tha, Tha, Thla
You/Yoursef - Nang/Nahak, Nang, Nang, Nangmah
Me - Ei, Ei, Ei, Kei
People - Mi, Mi, Mi, Mi
Also please note there are also many borrowed words from their neighbours like - Bengoli, Assamese, Hindi, English etc in later years probably from 17th to 19th Centuries.
If you are a true linguistic expert you will find hundres of words that sound similar, how sentences are consructed etc..
Many traditional old practices, customs, religious etc are also interchanged between these communities.
Apart from the Nagas, the so called Kukis are called Chins/Zo/Yo in Burma, Kuki/Zo/Mizo in India, Kuki in Bangladesh. Chin is also a name given by the burmese and british to these group of people, and even the Meiteis (Kathes) also fall under the Chin group in Butma. But the majority of them called themselves which is very very common amongst these groups is they identified themselves as ZO - From South Western Myanmar, NE India to Bangladesh. Look at your google map and you will find these regions have maximum Hill Ranges and some valleys occupied by the ZO people, and the name of maximum villages are ZO names only.
If you really want to find out take some journalists, anthropologists and scholars from NE with you and visit all these places. It will be a real eye opener on the ground reality, not from some room in Mumbai or Delhi. And don't believe every narrative in the internet.
I hope he read this comment. The man was ducking about it
the so called 'kathes' are the meities imprisoned by the burmeses king when they invaded manipur.....what about the kukis claiming themselves as the lost tribe of israel?
(Bee) mizo= meitei = Khuai
(Hair) mizo= meitei=Sam
(Dog) mizo=meitei=Ui
(meat) mizo= meitei= sa
(Pig) mizo= meitei=vawk/awk
(monkey)mizo=meitei= zawng/yang
many similar vocubular or pronounciation and meaning
@@isahauhnar since u r d lost tribe of pluto u might have adopted from the meities...clearly mentioned in history u were imported to manipur for labor sm hundred years ago....kuki = kuli
@@hdghrtff9191 he is stating Mizo language not Kuki. Know the difference!
Wow this should be good ! Just started watching!!
Sir please talk about what wouldve happened if the Japanese had taken full control over South Asia
Relevance?
Most of the sout east asia ll be under japanese control
@@Tarek.Ramara Suggestion?
Thanks for bringing such an insightful interview ❤ let the viewers understand more about Manipur and help to reshape the crisis 🙏
As a kom , indigenous tribe will extinct in future if govt fail to protect thems
Its a beautiful piece giving complete perspective of historical faultlines leading to the present day crisis. I have 1 suggestion. All of us may not find time for long podcasts. Also, your speakers having wealth of knowledge will speak for long. May be, you may consider giving a 5-10 min gist in the end. It'll offer 2 choices to your viewers: see the whole podcast or listen to your 10 min brief or summary. Thanks
Story of all north east India , outside intruders have started dominating ingenious communities culturally and linguistically
🎉Sir Abhijit Chavda🎉🎉 Dr. Bhagat
Oinam🎉.
Mr Jaishankar once famously said to stop being Euro centric and he quoted Europe problems are world problem’s but the world problems are not Europe problems ,that’s exactly what I feel now.Manipur problems are not Delhi problems and that’s the reason for muted response from Delhi.
NE India is very very very much complex in all aspects.
The Treaty of Sanjenthong, signed in 1873, was a significant peace accord that delineated clear boundaries and aimed to establish peace between the parties involved. It was signed between Maharaja Chandrakirti Singh, the ruler of Manipur, and Sumkam Guite, representing the Kuki-Zo ethnic group. This treaty played a crucial role in defining territorial boundaries and fostering peaceful coexistence between the parties, marking an important historical agreement in the region.
What about Treaty of Kaifundai signed in 1871?
There's no Kuki zo in 1871
@@dineshnongmaithem4564 Raja Goukhothang Guite(Paite) holds significant historical importance in the history of Manipur. He was a powerful ruler of the Guite dynasty, known for his strength and authority. His capture and subsequent death in 1871 at the hands of the Manipur Maharaja Chandrakirti marked a pivotal moment in the region's history, leading to tensions between the Meitei and Zomi communities. The signing of the Treaty of Sanjenthong in 1873 between Sumkam Guite, Raja Goukhothang's son, and Maharaja Chandrakirti aimed to establish peace and delineate boundaries, further highlighting the historical significance of Raja Goukhothang Guite in Manipur's past.
@@Zogam-Mizogam you are talking about ancient Myanmar and Manipur.
@@strictlyssc189 The delineated territorial boundary established between Manipur Maharaja Chandrakirti and Sumkam Guite in the 1870s signifies that the Maharaja's rule was limited to certain regions, particularly the Southern region, which is present-day Lamka district.
Such an informative episode. 👍
I wasn't aware of those complexities in Manipur even being from the same region.
I hope every single individual on earth watch this video
Dr is speaking facts broo spread positive response
its a great talk i been listening and obereserving for 2 hour till the end such an eye opening moment
Proud to be a Meitei Hindu 🚩🙏🏻
#SAveLadakh
#SaveLadakh
#SaveLadakh
From paid agents of CIA and China
Pangal or Manipuri Muslims are not Meitei. They speak Meiteilon as their mother tongue as they don't have their own mother tongue. They came to Manipur in 17th century and their foremothers are Meitei women as the King of Manipur made Meitei women married to the immigrated Muslim men. So they are a mixed ethnic group. THEY ARE NOT MEITEI and THEY SHOUD BE CALLED PANGAL.
They are meitei. All given meitei surname and absorbed by the king.
In kuki demographics changes, they included the oldest tribe of Manipur to kuki umbrella to prove that immigration kuki can be justified. This activity also increases the population count and ratio of population count changes drastically
Thanks Oinam
The brick bridge reportedly constructed by the Khagis(Yunan prisoners) is called "Thong Nambonbi"
Justice for the Meiteis...
Woww such an excellent podcast Dr Bhagat, we Manipuris are soo proud of you. We had been waiting for such enlightenment for the ignorant masses.
Abhijit sir we selute ur work I'm meitei community India
I am proud of u Dr.Bhagat so2.........
Well explained Oja Bhagat Oinam
This talk is a Wikipedia Note for other national media channels who are blindly reporting about present Manipur crisis. Hope mainland channels should listen this talk first before blaming Meetei community in support of foreigners.
Who wants wars? Let's do NRC and live peacefully 🙏🙏
Abhijit ji and Dr ji , you will wonder to know "The allocation of 1st five Year Plan for Manipur is Re. 1.00 crore (one crore Rupee)" 🙏🙏🙏
Sir, at that time it was not Mandalay that Meitei King Pamheiba aka Garib Niwaz attacked. It was Amrapura, the Capital of the Burmese Kingdom of Ava. Amrapura was a city next to Mandalay. But as Mandalay city expanded it encompassed Amrapura & now Amrapura is part of Mandalay city.
Sir plz make a video of the current Ladhak sitaution .. what are their expectations and the governments response towards them.... plz sir