Fair enough, the valve stays in the up position because once the tab is lifted the rubber seal closes the outlet to the tub. This then forces water to take the path of least resistance which in this case is the pipe going up to the shower head. Once that water fills up the pipe in the wall the pressure increases enough to force the rubber seal on the bathtub tab against the outlet allowing the user to let go. TLDR; the water pressure holds the rubber seal closed after you let go of the tab. This diverts (shower diverter) the flow of water up to the shower head. Hope this answers your question!
@@thechuckyboi1438 One small point I think you left out is that the tab stayed up even after you turned off the water. So I guess the build up of water in that pipe was enough pressure to keep the tab up until you manually released it (like you did at 2:52)? Also, I noticed that when you turned off the water there was a leak. Initially I was thinking it was because there was a decrease in pressure. Then I noticed at 2:22 that there was still a leak, even though the water was flowing (and had higher pressure).
Thanks for the comment, the leak is mainly due to bad build quality. My model did function although it was not a perfect match obviously. The leak in my system is because of non perfect build quality, if your system at home is leaking it could be old gaskets leaking or potentially cheap parts. I hope this helped clear up the concern.
Bro. This is literally the best video on the internet. Like if you were to rate the content to information to entertainment to pacing ratio. This video would beat every other video on the internet. If I could like more than once I would
I agree this was an excellent video. It explained things in simple terms. And I appreciate it so much more that you're not an expert. You're just trying to use common sense to develop a basic understanding of things. I think we can all relate to what you said at 1:06. And I laughed at "when you lift the thing up, the water goes to the shower. And I already know that". I subscribed and will check out your other videos.
I wish there were little micro educational vids on everything we find normal.. I seem to think similar to you.. so I thank you for your time and efforts, much appreciated
Well done! 'How it works!' is too often confused with 'What it does..!' The latter sends you in search of a replacement; the former sends you in search of your toolbox! Trying to repair things can be very satisfying- even if you fail!
I prefer the fix it method as well, although it is getting increasingly more difficult now that a lot of companies don’t publish manuals or schematics for the things you buy. Regardless with enough time you can figure out how anything works!
I know this video is a year old, I just wanted to say that you and I have something in common, our brains never stop asking questions 😂 and that's what led me here. Your demonstration was simple and informative.
I was hooking up my own bath/shower, and wanted to make sure there wasn’t some weird thing I had to do to also have a working shower! So this helped my brain to relax! Now I guess I might just be smarter 😂
I love your self-deprecating humour, when actually you're very good at what you do. Thanks for taking the time, and spending your own money, to make the explanatory model. I had a pretty good idea that was how they worked but you explained it in a very easy to understand way. Appreciate what you do a lot. Hope you make some money out of this vid. Thanks.
Thank you for your comment! I do have some intelligence but I find it easier to learn things when the pressure of already having knowledge isn’t there so I try to do that through the self deprecating humor. Your comment is very encouraging I want to make more videos but I have no idea what to do haha I guess they need to add more interesting components to showers!!
Thank you for this. Mine broke and I couldn't figure out how the pieces were supposed to go together until this video. It's stupid how difficult it was to find a picture or anything to go off of
Thanks for the video man. Did not realize the shower/ faucet was a constant open line to one another. Closing the line at the faucet forces the water to go up and out an open system to the shower head.
Thx man! Pretty close to how I actually thought it worked but I always assumed itd be more complicated bc that’s usually just how things are. Turns out it’s simple!
No problem, I always assumed so too I figured there was some complicated mechanics or magnets involved lmao but I ruled those out still having no idea how it worked. Happy I was able to help you!
@@nellel9561 I see, well I wish you luck and in the event you have a different style of tub spout I’d recommend reaching out to a plumber or maybe following a tutorial on how to get rid of them.
nice! i was really wondering this same thing lol. So gravity is the only thing keeping the water from reaching the shower head in "tub mode" pretty cool.
Very useful. ❤ Thank you. Now…. Please Make a video on the inner workings of the Moen 1222 shower mixing valve. Most commonly used. I bought a new valve for my shower and it does not work. Ugh
Yeah water pressure and flow rate are at a constant battle in applications like this. A wider shower head will decrease pressure but increase flow rate to a point. Where as a smaller shower head with have more pressure and less flow rate.
I have a spout only with no diverter. The spout lets out a lot of water while the shower is running which makes the shower stream weaker. Would just changing the spout since it is old an corroded inside fix the leak im having while running shower?
I am not a plumber so there is probably better advice out there. Id start with removing the spout and visually checking for any debris or build up. if it is just corroded metal then most likely swapping for a new spout would improve shower pressure. Hopefully you can get it resolved quickly!
Great video! I bought a portable water softener for my apartment shower and the thing is heavy (6lbs)! Let's say for whatever reason, the showerhead snaps the pipe. That means no water will come out of the shower pipe unless I turn on the water and diverter right?
Thanks for your comment, I’ll preface this by saying I’m j out a plumber and have no training I made this video out of pure interest. But if I understand the question you want to make sure that if the pipe snaps off the shower head then will you be able to run the bath without water coming from the top. If that is not your question feel free to expand. If that is your question I’d say it depends on your bathtub nozzle and water pressure. Because if your bathtub faucet is clogged up and the water flow rate exceeds the faucets then it will start to fill up the shower pipe in the wall until it spills out of the top. Depending on when your apartment was built you should be fine, but also consider buying some wire frame supports and maybe adding some support by connecting the water softener to a wall to take the weight off the pipe. Good luck! And let me know how it goes!
I tried to explain it using the pvc but it is the water pressure. The water pressure is the force that keeps the valve up in the air while water is running. But once the water is turned off there isn’t as much(or any) water pressure anymore so it lets the valve fall. Hope this helps!
If the water had enough pressure then yes it would come out of both the shower and bathtub. Most homes do not have enough pressure to do this. Good question though! And thanks for the comment!
Excellent Demonstration Piece and the explanation. I had a Moen Faucet and wanted to know how it work, but could not find anything from Googling. For details of the Moen construction, please refer to "Water Not Coming Out Of Shower Head? Tub Spout Diverter Repair" ruclips.net/video/_2tiphE8PYI/видео.html Excellent repair video, but it did not explain how it works. I try to put in my explanation here and hope to help others who are interested in how it works. Rubber Seal with a hole in the center. The faucet water inlet hole is bigger than the hole of the rubber seal, but smaller than the seal itself. So the rubber seal could seal off the inlet hole completely when pulled to the UP position, forcing water to come out of the shower. The water pressure coming into the center hole of the seal can inflate the rubber seal slightly to produce a water tight setup. Therefore, a soft rubber seal is important. When it is too old it can harden and would not provide a water tight setup. It shows how clever this design is. The water pressure on the Plastic Gate would hold the Gate in the UP position. The Gate would not fall down because of frictional force. However, if the water supply is cut, The Gate would not be held there and falls to the DOWN position and this also the default position. So, next time you turn on the water, it would come out from the faucet and not the shower. When showering (ie, Gate in the UP position), if you manually push down the rod/button, you can overcome the frictional force created by the water supply and get the Gate back to the DOWN position, stopping the showering, and let water come out of the faucet. Note 1, the faucet water inlet hole is inside the faucet you have to use a light to find it. Note 2, water tight to the water inlet hole and around the circular plastic ring surrounding the rubber seal on the Gate, you have to examine a diverter repair kit to appreciate the design.
Very elaborate explanation, thank you! It sounds like you understand the inner workings of a shower diverter. I received another comment regarding the MOEN spout and I am not familiar with that. Maybe a project to get into in the future.
@@thechuckyboi1438 Thank you, Chuck. Looking forward for another demo kit for MOEN spout from you. Sometimes simple devices were made based on physics principles.
Lmao I have no idea what that is, someone in your house may have added some pipe cleaning product into your water softener if that is applicable to you. If not it could simply be that whatever minerals are being deposited have a blue hue and since they were able to build up over time now you can very clearly see the blue color. Could also be a reaction of some deposited mineral with the vinegar.
■■■...BUT you didn't answer the age old question: how does the valve STAY in the up position? Yikes.
Fair enough, the valve stays in the up position because once the tab is lifted the rubber seal closes the outlet to the tub. This then forces water to take the path of least resistance which in this case is the pipe going up to the shower head.
Once that water fills up the pipe in the wall the pressure increases enough to force the rubber seal on the bathtub tab against the outlet allowing the user to let go.
TLDR; the water pressure holds the rubber seal closed after you let go of the tab. This diverts (shower diverter) the flow of water up to the shower head.
Hope this answers your question!
@@thechuckyboi1438 One small point I think you left out is that the tab stayed up even after you turned off the water. So I guess the build up of water in that pipe was enough pressure to keep the tab up until you manually released it (like you did at 2:52)? Also, I noticed that when you turned off the water there was a leak. Initially I was thinking it was because there was a decrease in pressure. Then I noticed at 2:22 that there was still a leak, even though the water was flowing (and had higher pressure).
Thanks for the comment, the leak is mainly due to bad build quality. My model did function although it was not a perfect match obviously. The leak in my system is because of non perfect build quality, if your system at home is leaking it could be old gaskets leaking or potentially cheap parts. I hope this helped clear up the concern.
Bro. This is literally the best video on the internet. Like if you were to rate the content to information to entertainment to pacing ratio. This video would beat every other video on the internet. If I could like more than once I would
Thank you!! I appreciate this comment a lot! What other questions should I make videos out of?
@@thechuckyboi1438 you could always explain the toilet. Which is something I don’t really understand either lol
I agree this was an excellent video. It explained things in simple terms. And I appreciate it so much more that you're not an expert. You're just trying to use common sense to develop a basic understanding of things. I think we can all relate to what you said at 1:06. And I laughed at "when you lift the thing up, the water goes to the shower. And I already know that". I subscribed and will check out your other videos.
I wish there were little micro educational vids on everything we find normal.. I seem to think similar to you.. so I thank you for your time and efforts, much appreciated
Well done, thank you. I am tracking a leak and this is the ticket to understanding the problem!!!
That is cool to hear that I was able to help you! I hope the repair goes smooth!
Well done! 'How it works!' is too often confused with 'What it does..!' The latter sends you in search of a replacement; the former sends you in search of your toolbox! Trying to repair things can be very satisfying- even if you fail!
I prefer the fix it method as well, although it is getting increasingly more difficult now that a lot of companies don’t publish manuals or schematics for the things you buy. Regardless with enough time you can figure out how anything works!
I know this video is a year old, I just wanted to say that you and I have something in common, our brains never stop asking questions 😂 and that's what led me here.
Your demonstration was simple and informative.
Thank you for the comment!
Exactly what I wanted to know. Love that you engineered your own.
Thank you I appreciate the feebldback!
100% the best educational video i've seen this year. now i know the thing does that thing and how it does it. Thank you sir!
Thanks for the encouragement! I wanted to make this video as efficient and effective as possible
I was hooking up my own bath/shower, and wanted to make sure there wasn’t some weird thing I had to do to also have a working shower! So this helped my brain to relax! Now I guess I might just be smarter 😂
I love seeing comments like this. Happy I was able to help you!
I love your self-deprecating humour, when actually you're very good at what you do. Thanks for taking the time, and spending your own money, to make the explanatory model. I had a pretty good idea that was how they worked but you explained it in a very easy to understand way. Appreciate what you do a lot. Hope you make some money out of this vid. Thanks.
Thank you for your comment! I do have some intelligence but I find it easier to learn things when the pressure of already having knowledge isn’t there so I try to do that through the self deprecating humor. Your comment is very encouraging I want to make more videos but I have no idea what to do haha I guess they need to add more interesting components to showers!!
From a 62 yr old widow replacing plumbing in my shiwer...Thank you!!
Yes ma’am! Happy I could help you!
Ahhh the miracles of modern engineering. Applause to the guy who invented this.
Good presentation, friend, delivered in an understandable and friendly way. Thanks!
Thank you for this. Mine broke and I couldn't figure out how the pieces were supposed to go together until this video. It's stupid how difficult it was to find a picture or anything to go off of
Wow I didn’t expect my video to be that good of a demonstration. It makes me happy to hear that you were able to save a couple bucks with this video!
Thanks for the video man. Did not realize the shower/ faucet was a constant open line to one another. Closing the line at the faucet forces the water to go up and out an open system to the shower head.
Neither did I, happy I could help!
Your video production is what RUclips always meant to be!. Love it
Thank you!
Very helpful. Good explanation and nice visual demonstration.
Very helpful and easy to understand thank you!
Amazing explanation sir. Thank you. I’m a new plumber so this helped
Lmfao I’m not even a plumber but I’m happy I was able to connect some dots for you!
hey that was cooler than i expected. You made a water diverter. @The Chucky Boi
Quite helpful! This had been bothering me for a while. THANKS!!
YOU’RE WELCOME!!!!
Thank you!! Hooking ours up right now, troubleshooting why it’s not working and this helped!
Awesome! I love to hear whenever this stuff helps people even months after I did it!!!
I just googled the exact same thing - and found you! Way to be the change you want to see!
Thx man! Pretty close to how I actually thought it worked but I always assumed itd be more complicated bc that’s usually just how things are. Turns out it’s simple!
No problem, I always assumed so too I figured there was some complicated mechanics or magnets involved lmao but I ruled those out still having no idea how it worked. Happy I was able to help you!
Helped for me. I had water bugs and I wanted a way to stop them this helps bc now I know it's a stopper within itself thanks
Yessir, good luck getting it resolved! Make sure you re deal anything you take out of the wall.
I'm not taking anything out of the wall after watching this I can just keep that plug piece up and I'll also keep the drain clog closed.
@@nellel9561 I see, well I wish you luck and in the event you have a different style of tub spout I’d recommend reaching out to a plumber or maybe following a tutorial on how to get rid of them.
This is one of the most amazing demos I've seen! I've searched on youtube to learn exactly what you mentioned here :D
Thanks for your comment I love to hear feedback from everyone!
Dude, thank you so much for this video! So cool that you made a PVC model 😂 You're a legend.
Superb explanation. Thanks.
Thank you! Happy I was able to help
Very helpful and entertaining, thanks!
This is great dude. Thanks!
Thank you! Another random shower thought answered!
This was exactly what I needed to see. Thanks man!
You’re welcome!
I like that you were curious enough to make a mock-up! Stay Curious my Friend!
Great video! I'm dealing with an issue with my bathtub spout, and I was wondering how it worked.
thanks man, i appreciate the easy-to-understand video
Yessirrrrr thank you for your comment!! Happy to hear this video is still helping people!
Awesome video! Thank you for explaining this.
Awesomeeee.... thank youuuuu... I am another crazy one who asks everything and wants to learn and DIY them all, evvvrything... ;)
Thank you for the support!
Thank you, you explained exactly what I was looking for.
You’re welcome! It’s nice to see how many people have been helped by this video!
Thx soooooo much my head would have exploded if I did not know how it works
Haha I know what you mean, thank you for your comment it’s very encouraging to hear from the people I help!
thank you for your explanations, helped a lot
Bro thank you for posting this.
Thank you for commenting!
nice! i was really wondering this same thing lol. So gravity is the only thing keeping the water from reaching the shower head in "tub mode" pretty cool.
Thank you for the comment!
Thank you exactly what I needed to know appreciate it
Great explanation. My tub has 2 diverters, on the handle and the spout, and Im deciding if i should replace the spout with a new one w/o a diverter.
I have not heard of that, does that mean you have to pull both plungers in order to run the shower?
@@thechuckyboi1438 No you can choose either one. I always use the diverter on the shower faucet, but the one on the spout is stuck.
Thank you so much😃🤗
Well done.
Thanks!
great video - thank you!
Thank you!
very helpful. thanks
Nice job
Thank you!
Very useful. ❤ Thank you. Now…. Please Make a video on the inner workings of the Moen 1222 shower mixing valve. Most commonly used. I bought a new valve for my shower and it does not work. Ugh
Late reply, were you able to get your mixer working? I am not familiar with mixers but I might be able to help if you still need it.
Super interesting!
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Enjoyed your video buddy.. Have a good day..
You too, thank you!
Thanks. That’s a lot
Of water pressure that gets pushed to the head.
Yeah water pressure and flow rate are at a constant battle in applications like this. A wider shower head will decrease pressure but increase flow rate to a point. Where as a smaller shower head with have more pressure and less flow rate.
10/10 video
Thanks
No problem
I have a spout only with no diverter. The spout lets out a lot of water while the shower is running which makes the shower stream weaker. Would just changing the spout since it is old an corroded inside fix the leak im having while running shower?
I am not a plumber so there is probably better advice out there. Id start with removing the spout and visually checking for any debris or build up. if it is just corroded metal then most likely swapping for a new spout would improve shower pressure. Hopefully you can get it resolved quickly!
Oh my god.. THANKS!!!! lol
Great video!
I bought a portable water softener for my apartment shower and the thing is heavy (6lbs)! Let's say for whatever reason, the showerhead snaps the pipe. That means no water will come out of the shower pipe unless I turn on the water and diverter right?
Thanks for your comment, I’ll preface this by saying I’m j out a plumber and have no training I made this video out of pure interest.
But if I understand the question you want to make sure that if the pipe snaps off the shower head then will you be able to run the bath without water coming from the top. If that is not your question feel free to expand.
If that is your question I’d say it depends on your bathtub nozzle and water pressure. Because if your bathtub faucet is clogged up and the water flow rate exceeds the faucets then it will start to fill up the shower pipe in the wall until it spills out of the top.
Depending on when your apartment was built you should be fine, but also consider buying some wire frame supports and maybe adding some support by connecting the water softener to a wall to take the weight off the pipe.
Good luck! And let me know how it goes!
I always wondered why it keeps leaking, i guess that seal wasn't sealed enough
That could be it, I’d recommend contacting an actual plumber to check it out if you have a serious issue!
Do you know what causes the pull tab to stay up when showering, but fall down when there is no water coming through?
I tried to explain it using the pvc but it is the water pressure. The water pressure is the force that keeps the valve up in the air while water is running. But once the water is turned off there isn’t as much(or any) water pressure anymore so it lets the valve fall. Hope this helps!
How does it stay in the up position??? water pressure???
Yes, the water pressure built up by the filled shower pipe presses the rubber against the “top”(in my demo) creating a seal.
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Wait, but if the water's at full pressure, the water should come out the shower head shouldn't it? how does the shower head not spew water???
If the water had enough pressure then yes it would come out of both the shower and bathtub. Most homes do not have enough pressure to do this.
Good question though! And thanks for the comment!
Based video
Excellent Demonstration Piece and the explanation. I had a Moen Faucet and wanted to know how it work, but could not find anything from Googling. For details of the Moen construction, please refer to "Water Not Coming Out Of Shower Head? Tub Spout Diverter Repair" ruclips.net/video/_2tiphE8PYI/видео.html Excellent repair video, but it did not explain how it works. I try to put in my explanation here and hope to help others who are interested in how it works. Rubber Seal with a hole in the center. The faucet water inlet hole is bigger than the hole of the rubber seal, but smaller than the seal itself. So the rubber seal could seal off the inlet hole completely when pulled to the UP position, forcing water to come out of the shower. The water pressure coming into the center hole of the seal can inflate the rubber seal slightly to produce a water tight setup. Therefore, a soft rubber seal is important. When it is too old it can harden and would not provide a water tight setup. It shows how clever this design is. The water pressure on the Plastic Gate would hold the Gate in the UP position. The Gate would not fall down because of frictional force. However, if the water supply is cut, The Gate would not be held there and falls to the DOWN position and this also the default position. So, next time you turn on the water, it would come out from the faucet and not the shower. When showering (ie, Gate in the UP position), if you manually push down the rod/button, you can overcome the frictional force created by the water supply and get the Gate back to the DOWN position, stopping the showering, and let water come out of the faucet. Note 1, the faucet water inlet hole is inside the faucet you have to use a light to find it. Note 2, water tight to the water inlet hole and around the circular plastic ring surrounding the rubber seal on the Gate, you have to examine a diverter repair kit to appreciate the design.
Very elaborate explanation, thank you! It sounds like you understand the inner workings of a shower diverter. I received another comment regarding the MOEN spout and I am not familiar with that. Maybe a project to get into in the future.
@@thechuckyboi1438 Thank you, Chuck. Looking forward for another demo kit for MOEN spout from you. Sometimes simple devices were made based on physics principles.
Clearly doesn't know what poor is. However good vid.
Anybody have blue shit come out when they cleaned the head with some vinegar?
Lmao I have no idea what that is, someone in your house may have added some pipe cleaning product into your water softener if that is applicable to you.
If not it could simply be that whatever minerals are being deposited have a blue hue and since they were able to build up over time now you can very clearly see the blue color. Could also be a reaction of some deposited mineral with the vinegar.