How Victimizing Idols is Ruining K-Pop
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- Criticism is not hate - this is something that many K-Pop fans don't understand as the concept of constructive criticism has been completely abolished within the industry. Try to criticize an idol and you'll be swarmed by malicious replies and comments. But is this really the way to go?
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Two things that ruins kpop. 1. Victimization. 2. Overpraising.
This is so true. I'm done with people shitting one group and praising the other that has the same issue. If it's, it's bad...
REAL
Those behaviors mainly exist in loser fans who are anti-social, with borderline personality disorder, no friends, and want to live vicariously through their kpop idols. Sometimes people just need to stop reproducing if they can't properly raise their kids to be decent human beings, garbage in, garbage out.
You forgot Payola
Fans just need to get over themselves
FINALLY someone is speaking to those “fans”
So true
I saw some comments under Le Sserafim praising their vocals. People really said nonsense like they sound just like CD.
Fans? You mean 90% of kpopies, right? 😂😂😂
I literally suffered from those fans, Im never saying anything again. They are so obssesed thinking their idol is superior but idols are humans who also make mistakes
The real problem with kpop stans is that they take idols for literal Gods and put them on a pedestal. That's actually encouraged by labels who train idols from the start to look "flawless and single" so that the fans see them as the perfect boyfriends. The more fans gatekeep them, the more they buy merch, albums and concert tickets. Nobody is perfect. It's all just planned by the label and idols from the start to make profit. Labels don't even care if fans become toxic. As long as they buy, it's fine for them
Whoever owns those protest trucks is making bank 😂
lool
It could be a very successful business model...
I’m not being antagonistic by asking this question, I’m genuinely curious, but have protest trucks ever succeeded in bringing change to any situation throughout K-Pop history?
@@harrisb5506 yes
@@harrisb5506probably not, if so, not that i’ve heard of.
Parasocial relationships is the business model of Kpop.
That's the problem and I hate it. Needs to stop in 2024. It's become a toxic nightmare
You can't stop that business model, it's basically what they live for in order to stop that model the whole industry would have to reformat from the ground up.
True.. things like bubble messages etc just feeding these delusional fanatics that forgot they just getting farmed for money.
K-pop is not music industry, it's more lookism and simping based industry
Most of the so called fans are simps and build parasocial relationship(personal experience 💀💀) with idols and daydream all day, wasting time and money
Casual fans, who just want music, don't care how the idol is sitting, eating and walking, they just listen favourite music, they don't even give shit even if the group is in downfall
It's a well planned strategy and these lonely simps say "xyz group saved my life"😱😱
Yep, just look at those girlfriend stans of Enhypen for example. It's just sad.
"Try singing while dancing yourself"
Bish im not getting paid for performing. I didnt got trained for years and its the minimum a idol job. Sorry but if they can't sing with a stable vocal while dancing then its time for them to retire
Thank you 👏
True.. but if they say this, doesn't that means they agreed that their fav was bad?😂
accept they won't. Meanwhile, you were never a fan. Never bought any of their albums. So you're opinion means nothing. Meanwhile they gained fans while at Coachella. All across their social media. So yeah, not retiring.
Literally someone saying facts. First Coachella stage where you have to sing not dance hard. Those who are saying their choreo is hard. then what about last past 1 year worst encore. Doing encore you have to just stand and sing. Still they can't able to sing while standing.
Another Trump card you're bulling minors. Then untalented minors should not debut.
They have time for MC, make tiktok, gym (biceps and abs) not for vocal training.
New thing start in k-pop.
Go to inkigayo don't smile whole interview and gain sympathy
@@hivelsword i didnt even mentioned any particular group gurl
Everything is so insane at the moment in kpop..
Right no one likes the fans of kpop 😂people clown kpop
Knets are the real problem. All they ever do is complain.
@@Theinfamouskiki411i love kpop, but the fans make it really difficult to want to connect with others, who also enjoy kpop. it’s so exhausting dealing with these people. like bro, i just wanna vibe, why are we cussing each other out and sending each other 💀 thr**ts ?? (youtube will literally delete anything i say so i have to edit my words 😒)
Right
@@babyvanderwoodsenI thought I'm the only one who got my comments deleted by youtube all the time lol
Sulli and Hara were talented they recieved hate because of dating scandals and private lives.
Yeah noticed they always bring up their deaths bcuz of bullying and trying to compare this to critics of these new idols singing or dancing
But they get the same kind of hate, so don’t pretend that the most criticism is constructive, it is not. Not being talented (or how you call it) doesn’t warrant a smear campaigns and d threats.
@@tywndbish if idols aren't supposed to be talented then what's the point 🤦♂ Most criticisms towards idols are valid, grow up.
AND misoginy!
@@urhypeboy You didn’t read my comment did you. I am not against constructive criticism. You are the one that has a lot of growing up to do, because you seemingly don’t view Idols as Human beings.
i’m an army, yet i dislike a ton of bts songs. but you won’t catch me saying what i don’t like cause i would be crucified
Fr.. it's like they considered their fav as god and worship them 24/7. Whenever someone say anything that's not a praise it's considered a sin and shall be crucified.
Off topic, why are you called army then supporting a male group wearing lipgloss and eyeliners? Pretty ironic and weird tbh. No disrespect
@@joeblack7326 army is a fandom name related to bts’ name and original concept. that being said, i wouldn’t care if they wore full drag, i like the messages in their songs and most of their melodies. plus, i’m a quėer woman, and policing masc v fem gender expression (from your example: fandom name vs band appearance) would be asinine and hypocritical
Well, I’ll say it. I am army also I love BTS and every member but to be honest I did not like RM’s indigo project. I don’t hate it, but I don’t love it either.. I felt bad because I know he worked so hard on it and spent a lot of time writing some of those songs. Yet there are some army that tries to make us feel bad because we didn’t get behind him and support him and make his project like a number one or something.. I’m sorry, but it wasn’t that good. I love RM and I think he is talented but it just wasn’t that great to me.
@@joeblack7326 well it’s just entertainment industry. For one even in Hollywood actors wear make up for their job.. second it is the South Korean culture to do so or so I have heard for their jobs. I don’t know where you’re from but in the American culture it is not common for men to wear make up unless you are in the entertainment industry.
Swifties also fall victim to this mentality
Fr, they be acting like Taylor is a goddess
Legit, like her behaviors are nothing to idolize. They make for good song lyrics, but she's absolutely not the kind of person who should be put on a pedestal. She's said as much herself, but fans have selective hearing/reading.
So trueeeee
Bro, they're a cult fr
agreed, swifties behave like a cult, some of them are weirdly obssessed with taylor, but have you seen any hate Taylor Swift gets? just search candace owens Taylor Swift or ben shapiro Taylor Swift. you'll know there are adult podcasters hating on her openly, you can imagine what other online commentators which are 10x worse are doing. Taylor is average at vocals, she's a great performer, her stage presence is nice, and she produces and writes all her songs. she said her first priority is song writing. but people still compare her to great vocalist like beyonce, mariah, which is sad! its like comparing gidle and aespa and calling idle untalented for not having vocals like aespa.
Now i can see why people say
Hybe is ruining kpop😢
Big 3 yg jyp and sm
their girl groups only, nwjs is the best ig but compare to jyp n yg, theyre still lacking a lot
😂😂 kpop was already ruined
Only jealous kpopies say that😂😂
@@BELIEVER78989 I'm not jealous they
Really are I can see why people just say big 3 yg jyp and sm
@@ubermenschzarathustra862even their bg, I mean they're okay but other labels vocals are better Hybe focuses more on visuals and dance (which is also good)
And they need to stop using groups and fanbases as shields.
HYBE,STOP USING BTS AS A DEFENSE MECHANISM.
U can stop whining and get a life too.
This
True
Leave BTS out of this!
@@Imme_begin it’s true tho even in the hybe vs ador scandal they are using BTS as shield
some kpop idols accept criticism so they can improved there performance but few do not accept criticism for them is being victimized by there fans or hate
Like Sakura started barking on her Instagram that she did her best. That was obviously a lie, when we clearly know Le Sserafim had such a garbage performance.
@@SamEricLlortyou just proved the point of this video 😂 only hate not criticism. You could have said that without the derogatory remarks.
@@SamEricLlortBut what you just said wasn't criticism but hate. You're not helping anything
Sakura shade😂😂
@@SamEricLlort13 years experience!🔥💀💅🏻
I will forever speak my heart out about mistakes done by idols, be it my faves. Idols should know their mistakes but not through insulting or trolling them but rather in a descent way because they're human beings too ,giving them mental breakdowns. It's not necessary at all.
Thissss. Amen.
Why do you feel it necessary to “speak your heart out about mistakes”? How would you feel by your speaking compounded by thousands? It’s not the same as one or two respected people giving feedback. That’s not feed back. That is a need to be important. They don’t need your opinion broadcasted to the world for others to join in on. It’s socks believe me, they know when they give a bad performance.
The problem with what you are saying you will always do, is it invites those who DO hate the idol to speak hate. It’s not healthy. It’s not okay.
@Imme_begin I don't hold any entitlement towards idols, be it my faves ,but if he or she does something unknowingly, definitely i will speak but won't troll them . Tell me why i shouldn't say something, yet i buy albums, subscribe to their accounts etc??
@@Imme_beginthen that's not their fault, that's the haters.
@@essykall9 What makes you think they ever see anything you say? all you are doing is grouping yourself into the thousands that don't have your good intentions. You think Idols have the time to read thousands of comments everyday? No
I remember Ive's encore from their debut song eleven being criticized for the bad vocals yet they improved so much since then, they kept practicing and it was so encouraging to see
No because this is damn true!
Yes
And fyi Sulli and Hara didn’t receive hate because of lack of talent but other personal matters so don’t you ever use them for trivial things like this… RIP Sulli and Hara😔😔😔
Bullying is still fucking bullying you weirdo.
It always gets me mad when some of the fans feel entitled enough to dictate idol's lives. Got one comeback a year or idols take a break? Not enough promotions! Multiple comebacks? They're overworked! Idols having a vape from time to time? How dare they! Yet there are literall drinking shows and nobody bats an eye. And don't even get me F-ing started on dating. Some fans claim how supportive of their favourite idol they are but once the idol is dating (or just accused of it) the fans send protest trucks demanding apology and departure of that idol from the company, like WHAT?! Seriously some people should get a hobby and get TF out of the internet. Idols are humans too. Not machines and CERTAINLY NOT some god-damn FANTASIES to feed fans!
PS: Sorry this always gets me heated.
PS2: English is not my first language, please bear with me...
But everything u said about idols being fantasies at the whims and commands of fans is exactly how they're marketed tho....its thanks to the advent of social media we are just seeing in real time how dangerous a strategy this is on these people.
@@Gemstones1000where are they marketed like that? Where? Who has said this? That's a cultural thing not anywhere is that said
This is spot on! They're so controlling and weird. I can't imagine being mad 24/7 like that
Korea is one of those countries that are very hypocritical about alcohol. An idol's career can be over if they are caught with any type of illegal drug (basically never happens to Western artists) - but getting drunk on camera? No biggie. Many people have to drink with their boss after work anyway.
@@Gemstones1000That’s definitely not an issue for a lot of fans. It is your responsibility to not develop a (dangerous) parasocial relationship with them. They actually did a study on it - it correlates with your intelligence
Two ruins kpop
1. Payola
2.visual comes first
Well then don't be a fan. That has gone on in the industry in America since the 50s. So what
@@Theinfamouskiki411 chill I’m just stating my opinion if u don’t want my saying skip it easy
And beside it’s kpop not some western pop i know it because I’ve been into kpop since 2009-2010s long before bts born in the scene since 2nd generation of kpop and I know things change drastically because kpop company blinded by money when kpop been introduced globally
And so what ?? Damn the word blinded by looks than the music so what indeed what a classic phrase ❤️
That said, can't deny the fact that Hitman Bang make good musics though
@@kaizokuoluffy6557 can’t deny that
@@kaizokuoluffy6557 not just that them make good music tho sm and others
I agree and disagree.
A lot of people present "constructive criticism" as straight up hate. Yes, hate is a necessary part of life but it's not a synonym of criticism. Constructive criticism is "hey "?", you're really bad at A, B, C, maybe you should do X, Y, Z to improve" not "they're so trash/how do they have fans" etc.
Overpraising is also a big problem. People praise some of these idols like literal GODS and when they make the slightest HUMANE mishap they're immediately "dragged" by the same people who used to praise them. Overpraising also leads to some idols having a "God-Complex" which allows them to think that they can do anything without retaliation from their fans or other fan-bases. Somi spoke about it openly saying something like "I felt like I deserved everything and demanded everything" and she's not even close to the level of a lot of soloists like her, let alone some groups so if she used to feel that way just imagine how some "bigger" idols must feel?
Said this a million times, if you're a fan just listen to the music, enjoy the side-content (vlogs, behind the scenes and what not) if you're feeling drawn towards the personalities of the idols/whatever artists you like, if you got the necessary funds to buy an album/merch/concert ticket, go ahead but don't put anyone on a pedestal, we don't know the people they truly are when the cameras are turned off (long ahh comment but if anyone changes their perspective towards the artists they look up to, it's worth the read).
They can opt to NOT listen instead of whining or offering criticism nobody asked for.
@@Department_of_Justice 99/100 artists will never ask for criticism. The ones who see it rarely adjust to their fans demands. Most artists found their working formula and will stick to it until they retire or until they decline, that's when they'll actually listen.
If you go through life without acknowledging your weaknesses, you'll end up falling at one point or another. Even worse, there's people who acknowledge them and never do anything about it.
@@lv4056 Let them fail then, you don't need to insert yourself into shit.
@@lv4056 What makes people who don't sing, dance, perform on stage, or do anything related to music believe it's their duty to say anything or be taken serious? To most people it just looks like untalented entitled fans who think their opinion is the correct and only opinion that matter.
No... a lot of people give constructive criticism, but we're being silenced. That's the truth. When fans learn to stop seeing hate everywhere and give a platform to haters and stop banning people for giving an opinion, you'll see that no one is really hating. And the one who hate are the one who had their faves compared for too long and waited the good moments to clap back. Lesserafim got sugarcoated, praised for 2 years, and during Coachella, we didn't see the "Sakura improve better than X idols." "Yunjin outsings every 4th gen vocalist" "Yunjin is an opera singer" and now we're seeing Coachella. Why did feranot bullied everyone? And why are they giving a platform to haters and not actual concerned fans that they call haters...
I'm still pissed off to this day about the amount of hate that Jennie got for having her solo debut first. She literally was the test subject, which she herself have said, and didn't even get 2 songs at that compared to the other girls. Solo stans are the main reasons why I hate interacting in the Kpop community, especially with how they keep putting other members down, when the same idol they are stanning don't even approve of their behavior.
Wow this week in kpop is a mess.
Ikrr
Fr
Fr
The whole year atp
The sad thing is, this is how kpop fans have always been. They think their hateful comments = criticism which isn't the case. It's just gotten waaaaay worse in the recent years.
They are hateful
@@Theinfamouskiki411not every one is
Vice versa though
exactly... it's always been like that. it's just that now, there's more people who listen to k-pop and it's really big on the internet
When companies had challenging training routine, ppl were like ma girls will diiieeee, stop it.
They stopped it and now all that remains is mediocrity
They don't even need to "work hard" to become good performers or songwriters. They just have to practice effectively on a regular basis for a couple of years. Give them good teachers, nutritious food and decent sleep and the talented ones will shine.
Lets be real. If kpop was globalized in 3rd generation, it would've been GENUINELY praised all over the world since they actually knew how to sing and dance. Every group had its own style, unlike now every other group just copying newjeans and blackpink.
Loud, wrong, delusional, cringey af
how so? it true though. every company loves to market all girl groups as only feminine women to please the male gaze and convince straight or closeted queer girls and women that these are what men are into in order to please the cishetero-sexualized society. @@kitnopsia
Let's be real, le sserafim's only weakness is their bad vocals which should have been improved till now, so fans complaining & criticizing them for poor performance on such a big platform while representing k-pop is totally valid.
Their only weakness confuses MD given that they are from SouMo who debuted Gfriend...like I thought that SouMu would've kept a level of standards.
Fr korean netizens said they are embarasse by lsf's performance in coachella cuz they were representing kpop industry
As an Ahgase, when we did the protest trucks for GOT7, we had valid reasons. I remember how other fandoms were mocking us over this. Nowadays, seeing many use the trucks in a trivial way at times kinda feels annoying. Not every issue needs a protest truck.
Wait why did u guys send them a protest truck?
some fans are infantilizing their idols.. despite their clear shortcomings and wrong doings.. recently there are some idols who are trying to make a come back despite being involved in immoral some even criminal acts. This is only made possible due to fans excusing their behavior and actions.
Lack vocal skill ruins kpop
YG has no idea what you talking about
Yg is at the core of these from the start of the big 3
YG stans are weird as fuck
YG got talent but their music is trash 😂 anybody can sing shitty song
I don’t even like Kpop like that, but I cannot watch any video without someone commenting YG supremacy 😂 the problem there isn’t the company, it’s the fans
Nah yg really trains their artists each Blackpink and Babymonster members (chiquita and pharita) have more than 4 years of training. Imagine whole 4 years just training
I had to fake liking smoothie just so NCTzens don't attack me , it bothered me how I had to br like ''oh I didn't like it first but now it's better '' or ''it grew on me'' or whatever else , Plss ma'am I'm just a fan I didn't sign my life for these people
I think the saddest part of this is the fact that criticism is always turned into hate. Let me explain: K-pop fans will spew their hate and hateful antics, but then hide behind the valid criticism to justify their behaviour. It's gross and it's unfortunately way too common. If one person gives criticism, you're right, they will be called a hater or others will result to insults such as "your favs are flops" and so on, but in the case of LSFM and ILLIT for example, there was SO much criticism because... well we couldn't pretend that they were indeed doing a good job. But all that criticism has changed into nothing but hate and it's easy for companies to ignore the real criticism and focus on the hate as a way to gain sympathy.
Criticism of K-pop is a common occurrence, with fans and outsiders alike often voicing their opinions on various aspects of the genre. Some of the most common criticisms include the industry's emphasis on image and aesthetic perfection, as well as the pressure put on idols to maintain a certain look and persona.
Critics also point out the prevalence of plagiarism and cultural appropriation in K-pop, with some artists being accused of copying the music and style of other artists without giving proper credit. Additionally, there are concerns about the intense training and exploitation of young idols, as well as the lack of mental health support in the industry.
Despite the criticisms, K-pop continues to gain popularity worldwide, with many fans appreciating the catchy music, impressive dance routines, and elaborate music videos. Ultimately, like any form of entertainment, K-pop is not without its flaws, but it is up to fans and artists to navigate and address these criticisms in a constructive way.
The plagiarism and copying thing in KPop is the most ridiculous, bizarre thing I have ever witnessed. The fact that people honestly think that people can’t do similar things, wear similar clothes or hairstyles is CRAZY! There are only so many things groups can do. Trends and fads get copied. Music evolves by inspiration from others. You have bought into an ideology that has no merit. If people thought this way in the ‘60’s, 70’s, 80’s, etc… we would missed so much good music. Every group with long hair, drums, a guitarist and singers would be worried about the other groups who look to much like them. Do you not see how utterly ridiculous it would sound when they are that is? Should the first hair band have thrown a fit and said no one else to have long hair because it hey own that look? How about you? Why did you dress the way you do? Better watch out. You are copying other people! 🤦🏼♀️
Groups don’t get big because of “concepts”. That is stupid. They get big because they reach an audience that identifies with them, loves their music, dancing, personalities, etc. This stealing concepts is a shield for “I’m not as big as them so this is the excuse I am going use”. They aren’t as big because they didn’t reach as many people that identifies with them. Period.
Groups should focus on their music and ignore the others. Fans should do the same. They should support the ones they identify with and ignore the others. There is no sense in hating people because they are more successful than others. What does it matter what other groups do. If your group does their job well enough, they will have fans. They don’t have to be in competition with the others and want them destroyed. Do you see how that is and e¥il way that way too many fans think? I’m not saying you think that way. I don’t know you.
@@Imme_begin It's important to remember that inspiration and copying are not the same thing. It's natural for artists to be influenced by others and to draw inspiration from different sources. Music is a form of art that constantly evolves and builds upon previous work. Ultimately, what matters most is the genuine connection that a group has with their audience and the quality of their music. Comparing and competing with other groups only takes away from the enjoyment of the music industry as a whole. As fans, it's important to support the artists we love and appreciate their unique talents and contributions to the industry.
Fans will always be like:
- Actively hate idols that they don't like ✅
- Just shut up ❌
It sucks but it's the truth. The K-pop industry prioritizes visuals because the best looking members are always the most popular, even when other talented members can dance, sing, and rap circles around them.
I still remember Haruto from Treasure was tagged as being homophobic just because he expressed that he’s not comfortable being shipped to his co members. Come on guys, you wanted respect to your community but the hate you throw at this guy is very out of line. You still can respect a certain community but it’s his right to express if he’s comfortable or not since he’s a straight guy. Homophobia is lashing against the LGBT with illogical hate while Haruto expressed only for himself and did not take it out against your community. Grow up.
Even when you are complimenting you get backlash. Once i wrote that someone was a great dancer, and a 'fan' dissed me because 'great' adjective was not enough 🤣.
You have to say the best 😂😂😂
Most of them are children don't think too hard about it
Loool or when you praise one member because they stand out in a certain area and then they comment ThEY'rE aLL amAZinG, like god forbid you don't praise the whole group at all times 🙄
@delia8162 😂😂😂😂😂 That's soooooo true
God....these online English professors are getting too worked up innit😂😂😂
I feel like it takes effort from both sides the idol and the company the idol knows what they need to improve on the company is the one with the resources and the connections.
This is very interesting, because once upon a time, KOOKIELIT used to stand up against negativity in KPOP. While there were times of criticism, they would also turn things around with a negative towards toxic fandom. But not sure what happened to the KOOKIELIT we once knew. They became part of that toxicity. Of the last 12 videos, how many times have they used Sakura's image? Banking on toxicity. It's all for clicks and this "victimizing idols is ruining K-POP". You've joined the darkside KOOKIELIT and are a big part of that toxicity.
Almost like they’re justifying harassing LSF online and that they condone it
But it’s the truth 😂😂
@@jackietang3789true asf
@@Hahahaha10188 but it’s never okay to harass celebrities online especially sending them death threats or SA threats just because you didn’t like something from them or something they were in, like can you imagine having to deal with people threatening to kill you online or SA you online 24/7 without any breaks in between?
The problem is, that the companies would rather not do anything bc those "Fans" still pump money into their pockets. so sad
What you said is exactly true. I have seen Wonyoung's fan complaining that SSE overworked her but at the same time complain that she does not have individual schedule like shows where she could appear in. I mean like some fans can never be happy
Actually from a hype insider revealed hype has no vocal trainers and if they don’t develop skills fast enough they will end contracts.
I agree !! This is no more the K pop I remember. This is no more the world which I was comfortable with, where I was happy to be😔🙏
I dont know why people in these days think:
Talent Kpop idol who are able to sing, talk about depression, challenge with new concept for new comeback but they dont have pretty face
↓
BAD KPOP ARTIST, THEY WILL BRING "DIRTY" EDUCATIONS TO CHILDREN.
Pretty plastic surgery innocent face dancing with a lot of aegyo wink to parasocial between fans but bad singing
↓
OMG, THEY ARE REALLY TALENT
I DONT KNOW WHY PEOPLE CRITICIZE MY BABY!?
THESE PEOPLE MUST BE JEALOUS ON MY BIAS, WE MUST PROTECT THE KPOP IDOL OUT FROM CRITICISM!!
The point ots just entertainment not life or death. Don't like a group don't listen to them. Move on
Kpop fans are so disconnected from the rest of the music world in general. Kpop has the most overproduced, commercialized, choreographed to a tee performances in the world. Which in itself can often be very impressive and obviously good to watch. But most other music shows in the world are far more about the energy and passion behind the music. Of course, you still try to look and sound great, but it's almost secondary to the actual show itself.
Another thing I've noticed is Kpop fans tend to be really bad at identifying when groups are lipsyncing and actually singing live. I see some people criticizing groups for singing slightly worse live and then in the next breath, praising a performance that was clearly lipsynced. If people were more aware of when groups were actually singing live they'd have more realistic expectations, especially for prolonged shows as opposed to one song performances.
Not being able to make a difference between a live vs lipsync performance is what I attribute to the downfall. Because, how many times have seen artists being praised for "eating their cds" when they were actually lipsyncing...
Amazing facts - in k-pop talents doesn't matter ,only a pretty face.
K-pop ( Korean pop) standards are so low.
It's embarrassing to watch
Some of the talentless idols don’t even have a pretty face. Just look at Eunchae, Wonhee and newjeans below average looks.
People need to stop saying that ILLIT is the victim too when HYBE literally bought their no. 1 in so many shows. They got all the glory and get paid for it and you call them the victim???
The sad thing is kpop isn't about talent anymore,it focuses on visuals mostly,stripping away opportunities for actually talented people.The idols job is to sing and dance if they can't do that they aren't ready to debut.Fans don't realise once they step on stage they aren't considered trainees anymore.Many non singers can even sing more in tunr than idols.There r so many people that can be better at the idols job than them,but they will never get the chance.
Someone needed to say this at some point
And what about the many idols who are ACTUALLY being harassed with meaningless and useless hatred??? Isn’t this just giving them an excuse to keep taunting idols online?
Lesserafim will not improve because they cant sing singing is a talent you cant have it with improving
disagree, singing can DEFINITELY be trained.
Of the 3 members that can't sing I think E and K can definitely develop at least stable vocals with enough training, the other one has had 13 years on her belt and her voice is probably messed up from her bad technique.. she looks like she's about to cry with a 1 second line so maybe it will be most difficult for her. Either way Hybe is a shitty company for not training them vocally and sending them to these big events
yesss this!! we should still call out harassment and bullying but constructive criticism is a must for people to grow and learn sometimes i do wonder if the professionals who work with these idols actually give them hard honest feedback.
Le Sserafim was really bad. I don't watch them anymore, it's that simple.
Same
Their songs and visuals help them
Your opinion, mine they we really amazing wasn't boring like most girl groups
If I have to choose between for instance Babymonster and Le Sserafim id choose Le Sserafim. Their music is at least 10x better than Babymonster imho.
This is actually the best way to tell the companies they are doing something wrong.
If we were less emotional about kpop, we will all live a better life.
People feel triggered by idols breathing atp and whenever people say anything this start a war.
By the way this is one of the best written video you've made.
Honestly, constructive critizism should always be fine, but for minors, who‘s mental strength is still debeloping, constant and constant critizism can also be harmful… they often times already know and for someone going through puberty this can end severely. Pls give them time to develop
Over criticism is hate and thats what these fans do with every little thing to do with idols. They love to hate everything, Idols do their best, they give their all, but they can always improve because they are not perfect, they are human with strengths and weaknesses. These types of fans are not supportive, they love to build their idols up, then tear them down at every given opportunity
All they do.is hate everything
@@shiningjustice3387international fans are nicer when they give the feedback words compare to Korean fans …
In this case, I give full props to the fandom of Seventeen- Carats. I have seen their comments, and damn, they don't hold back.
I think it was the 'Ready to Love' comeback where I saw Carats being really critical of the video. They loved the song, which they expressed as well, but they also spoke out about being unsatisfied with the MV (except for the 'rainy' bit at the end). It was all very well structured. Constructive criticism at its best.
Carats have also torn into Pledis multiple times over several issues with their idols. I also admire the relationship between Seventeen and Carats. I have seen so many videos where both just go at each other, for fun, of course. It's not the usual "oh-I-love-everything-my-idols-do-they-are flawless" or "we-cant-breathe-without-our-beloved-fans" charade. Also, Seventeen does a very good job at keeping their fans grounded and delulu-free. I am very fascinated by this relationship. :)
They always reminds us to take our anti delulu pills on time😂.But jokes aside the hardwork svt put in their performance and music is clearly visible.They are in this industry for about 9 years and still perform their debut era song with so much passion.Because of svt I can't accept the excuse that kpop idols can't sing because of choreo.
@@shreyajiya9277Bruh I even saw a comment when someone compares lesserafim Coachella with Ateez and said Ateez can sing no problem while dancing, and one fearnot said lesserafim are girls as an excuse.. like wtf??
One of the reasons why people looks down on kpop and kpop fans.
most Chinese fans rent protest truck the most.. if you go to their forum it's always feels like they're contesting on whose group can place the trucks first.. they are the most obsessive fans out there, they think they're doing great things but they only crossing the line..
I thought their the only one
Also to add onto shindong on not having any lines. He admitted to knowing bros that he thought super junior would disband after a couple months because that was the plan, so he asked for no lines at all and jokingly said he screwed himself over after they became a permanent group
I remembered he said it in knowing bros as he wanted to be a entertainer not a singer which he asked for no parts since is a temporary group just like NCT but failed because the fans protest not to change any members of super junior 😅😅 then after that song ‘sorry sorry’, ‘bonanan’ and Mr simple he sang only ‘Dan, Dan, Daran, Dan’ and Heechul said u got the most parts by singing that 😂😂
FINALLY SOMEONE SPOKE ABOUT IT. I get that sometimes idols are the vicitims but people victimize idols a lot even if its their fault. People need to accept it instead of always acting like their idols are the vicitms or acting like they are babies
being a kpop fan for quite some time, I'm just disappointed on what it has come to be, and it doesn't mean I'm a hater or anything. Kpop just doesn't feel right anymore.
I see more than often videos of negativity putting groups or a particular idols down which does not help the matter but fuel more hate or negativity. We need to be mindful in what were posting ...yes idols and groups are not perfect. Some are better than others and that will always be that way. The same in any pop industry whether it be british, american or european.
I remember when stays sent protest trucks to JYPE for Channies room to happen again and chan scolded them. At the same time stays are the ones who made Channies room to get cancelled for assuming about what he said about idols not being respectful to older idols. I mean genuinely kpop fans act like obsessive girlfriends but when an idol does one mistake it's let's make them suffer. Hyunjin and Felix got distant after fans decided it was up to them, how their relationship towards each other is like yet those very same fans are the ones saying we want hyunlix back.
About the Le Sserafim performance they lack at singing basic notes yet fans will always support them, they were not able to sing so constructive criticism is ok it's not hate it's just people who actually have ears hear that they were not able to sing properly and don't be using the they were dancing and that is what idols are trained for so learn that hate and constructive criticism is not one and the same, it's 2 different things.
The hate train that Wonyoung and Jennie is forced, fans hate them for the silliest things ever.
Back to the bad vocals thing some so called fans gave shit to Jimin for not being able to sing at music core, I mean I get it, it was not the best performance he has ever done but some of yall gave him shit for not being able to sing but if the same thing happens to your faves it's a thing of being nervous or they are dancing. Jimin may not have been able to hold some notes and music core but he has proven time and time again that he is a good performer and it seems like that went over some people's heads
Please DO NOT drag New Jeans into this
Salute for you @kookielit ..speak louder to those fans💅
Imagine if Dua Lipa's fans have cried when her performance were trolled, she wouldn't have become the performer she is today
Spill 😂
Criticism is not hate. While that is true, many, particularly the ones aimed at Le Sserafim and ILLIT recently, are indeed hate comments masked as constructive criticism. You can't simply ignore that fact. They don't want them to improve, they just outright enjoy spewing malicious comment. They are even often brought up in discussions that are unrelated to them. There is a threshold for what constitutes constructive criticism, and the overwhelming number of hate comments they receive certainly surpasses it. Given that the feedback has already reached the members, this is a time when they need support more than ever, yet I feel you chose to discourage those with this video.
Maybe you should review what is constructive criticism and what is hate. Because I refuse to call the mass of hate comments as constructive criticism. If the goal is to elevate the standard of K-POP, it would be better to support and promote groups that meet your standards. Hate comments are completely unnecessary.
I said this about XG during one of their many comebacks. Their fans ate me up but were so delusional about it. I merely said they needed more time to work on their live performance. The du,mb fans took it as an insult.
Source music should have never allowed Sakura to put out those two statements it did nothing to help the situation.
Fr she was dragged even more now she is taking hiatus
It's just hybe who ruining kpop
They made so many level under hybe without any understanding of talents
Other company rarely have a level or one
Bt hybe just want money by making more levels that's it
Truth
All companies exist to make money. They are just providing what fans want.
@@PlatyMadness lol they are not debuting any group they just making sub level and letting them debut without any concern that's not hybe won group
And no other company have that many sub level
@@rajriyaj5464 The goal is to make money. Nothing else matters.
I feel like a lot of people don't understand that not holding your favs accountable is NOT respecting them. You're treating them like babies when they're grown adults.
This is so trueeeee..finally the reality of how I see things too as a multi stan..I do agree with this video
1 thing that ruin kpop and K-idols >> toxic K-netizens…
I honestly much much prefer the time where members they were amazing at the position they were given and average or even below average in the two other categories or great at two but bad in the 3rd one(Like a "main vocalist" would ACTUALLY have main vocalist vocals, main rapper would be amazing rapper but just average or below average vocalist) I would much rather have that than "all rounders" that are just above average or "good enough" at all 3 positions
Whatever happened to liking a group or a singer based on who they were rather than trying to change them? My favorite groups were not the best singers or even the best musicians (I like more rock and synth) or had the best stage presence, but I would never tell them to get better.
Idols should not be treated as performance monkeys but as artists.
THIS! THIS YESSS
This is normal in K-pop 😅 The haters are actually rival fans 😂 K-pop stans feel threaten when rival groups are more famous than the groups they're supporting
It’s different though, some of the level of singing I’ve seen recent issues are on the level of those survival show’s people make funny compilations with
You know why people jump into criticising some groups more than others?? It’s because their hype,achievements don’t add up to their talents so obviously fans of talented Kpop groups would be pointing out where the flaw is… especially when Kpop is under scrutiny for payola,music show/award show bribery, brand deals bribery,plagiarism, sasaegi etc.
This is a video every k-pop fan need to see.
The thing that ruins anything is people.
The real problem with kpop stans is that they take idols for literal Gods and put them on a pedestal. That's actually encouraged by labels who train idols from the start to look "flawless and single" so that the fans see them as the perfect boyfriends. The more fans gatekeep them, the more they buy merch, albums and concert tickets. Nobody is perfect. It's all just planned by the label and idols from the start to make profit. Labels don't even care if fans become toxic. As long as they buy, it's fine for them
Part of it is not having enough experience and understanding of technical skills to create a constructive criticism. If a person knows something is bad but has no clue how to fix it they’ll blatantly say how bad they are. The real reason is the need for fandoms to crush other artists because they don’t want competition for their idols. And when their bias is honest about their frustration within the fandom it’s a slap to the face to them. Like they literally feel entitled to their idols success as if they created them. This is where parasocial relationship gets too far.
Another reason to stan YG , they always prefer quality over quantity & always debuting best trainees
Tbh with so many girl group debuting I hadn’t paid much attention to Babymonster. I just watched their live performance and WOW I’m impressed!! Their vocals are strong, amazing compared to recent live performances of other groups. Big respect for them and I will be watching their next move!
they have a lot of potentials esp for western market, might be future BP but vibe wise, I like nwjs more even tho their stage performance (lol competition) aren't as good as bm
People have no goddamn concept of moderation. You're allowed to criticize someone if you a) provide valid proof, and b) do it politely, but generally those things barely exist on the internet. Instead you get a nonsensical war between people who spend all day flaming and fans who get so overly defensive that they won't acknowledge even valid criticism. This is why I don't get involved with this crap if I can avoid it.
The fans makes all the excuses in the world, it’s really the first time I’ve seen a weak vocal lineup in kpop history
Also reminder that the company is to blame for this
Imo being critical of a group's vocal abilities is already way more fair than speculating about their dating lives or their diets... The LS case is actually a relevant topic that SHOULD be acknowledged by kpop fans and kpop companies. Claiming everyone who has something bad to say about this is a brainless hater will not make any progress.
5:53 & onwards, i’m so agree! fr let the idols themselves deal with company..
I'm a huge fan of Le Sserafim and Illit who received criticism lately and they're definitely talented in their own ways but some of their performances were more than lacking, if fans are not the people who are going voice out their opinions about these topics then who else? People should understand the difference b/w constructive criticism and hate.
There is a difference between constructive criticism once or twice, but when people keep saying idols can't sing over and over even when weeks have passed it's become bullying.
And harassment too
Thank you for the Sulli and Hara segment. Because, it is true that some people are using them without even realizing just how horrible their respective situation was.
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As someone who went through this phase, let hope these young people I'm assuming are below 17 will just grow out of their immaturity and realize they were the problem all along.
The way fans handle this kind of subject should be more realistic. Even in our daily lives, there is a difference between constructive criticism and hate. We learn how to constructively criticize in school, at work, to our friends.
It’s all about the delivery and the words being used. Methods like a “compliment sandwich” are often helpful. Not being hurtful, but encouraging. Yet still giving a person ways they can improve and pointing out what may have been a better choice.
It’s difficult for true hate, bullying, dogpiling, callousness and degrading word choice to be taken seriously when every fair review and respectful opinion is bundled together as hate.
Saying "Jennie is lazy" can even make anyone be viewd as a m*nster 😅
I'm a VIPStay and let me tell you, the way that particular idol has made a career without doing much is mostly due to these type of fans.
Because GD was performing with an ankle injury for almost 5 years (that doesn't make him a hero or anything, just someone who was negligent about prioritizing his health over work) and Felix made it through the whole MANIAC era with a back injury (promo, dance practices, concerts, fanmeetings...) and always gave his 1000%.
But dare someone say Jennie should up her game, there will always be a trope of her fans victimize her giving the absurdist of excuses such as "she has a wrist injure", "her eyelid was hit by a feather last night"... etc... 😅
Some are overhyped and when they do not meet common basic standards it looks so disappointing and bad.
I don't think hating a criticizing a group or individual is a healthy way to go through life. We each control our time and entertainment funds, and if you don't enjoy what a performer is doing, go elsewhere! There's a lot of great music in the world, and if you find some that makes you happy, that's who you support.
Lets b honest, thats how kpop is going for so long. Both parties are taking advantages, this is not about fans only. Its obvious as an idol people expect their vocal is good. Theres nothing wrong when you choose a path, you need improvement. Its for everyone
Fans should know the difference between hate and criticism. I hate the para social relationship between idols and fans it’s dangerous.
Once I commented that Ahyeon should apologize for using Nword and her fans said I was jealous of her success and talent lmao.
True. Stop babying idols. Most of them are adults and know what they're doing
rmb when SNSD sang live with their dances? BoA sang live with her intense choreos? 2NE1 and their live raps? good old days. even tho it may not have sounded as good as the studio version and u could hear their breathings, they were genuine and they tried to do it anyways, that gave their performance "souls". nowadays i dont see any groups or anyone doing it. dont even talk to me about the 5th gen groups who are mostly hyped by payola.
As a kpop listener for over 20 years, this is sad to see
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