Good to see you touching on very important things that alot of people overlook/don't realise are important, like the electrical system and the battery setup etc with so many things drawing big loads👌
indeed i stress this to my customers who want all this crap with a 26 year old alternator and cringe when I tell them the price of a high output system.
Incredibly well built. Loving this show Scotty. Excellent to hear the pros talk and informative. Im a massive r31/rb30 fan good to see they went the billet block route from what I've read rb30 bottom ends can have harmonic balance issue at higher rpm. This thing literally has everything you can do to a r32 its unreal.
The exhaust cutout being controlled by the ecu is genius, just solved a lot of issues I've been trying to overcome building a steerable drift car with how strict my local laws are on noise etc.. I really didn't want to have to remember to flip switches or pull block off plates and that's perfect.
masterful ! Great job! I would really appreciate if you would be so kind and share what turbo manifold is that and where to get one? Thank you kindly guys
Christopher Salmon it won't grow 10cm if thats what your wondering Probably not even 1mm I can't be bothered doing the math atm but all materials have a standard rate they grow / srink when heated / cooled A standard rule of thumb for steel is something like 0.001 (of an inch )for every 100 degrees Fahrenheit (from memory ) and aluminum is not so drastically different that then engine will grow 10cm when warm But even a 0.5mm grow will tighten the timing belt a lot
John Strong is this a joke or are you seriously talking about something you clearly know jack about? aluminum expands ALMOST 2 times the amount of steel. Saying it's not drastically different between the 2 is a grossly idiotic statement. It doesn't take a thermodynamic genius to see how big of a difference the coefficient of linear expansion is between the 2 is. You really should make the time to be bothered to use Google before you post about stuff and sound like an idiot. Without knowing the linear foot of the metal(the size) you can't do any calculations to say oh that's not true. Don't come out and say that's bullshit and then say but I can't be bothered with the equation to prove it wrong. Cause if you could actually do the math you would. You just sound like some dumb ass with a keyboard spreading facts that are completely not true and coming up with false rules of thumb and spreading bullshit to ppl. It's alright not to know but don't act like you do and don't try teaching ppl wrong information on subjects you clearly are not qualified to answer or even talk about.
Gentlemen! This ain't thermogoddamits class, it's just RUclips. There's nothing scienticious going on here. When y'all get so hot under yer collar, I fear for the thread holding that top shirt button closed so tightly around your neck. No, I will not speculate on the coefficient of expansion of an angry human's neck, nor the average tensile strength of thread used to attach buttons. ;-)
Brandon B im not pretending to to know much But i can guarantee the block if it was 50 to 60cm tall it will not grow 10cm That will change the compression ratio so drastically it can go from 14:1 requiring race gas to 7:1 real fast Having worked on billet blocks and knowing they use irom sleeves most of the time If the block grew 10cm from cold to warm and the sleeves grew 1mm there would be massive problems with every iron sleeved billet block Not to mention stock aluminum block with iron sleeves would have massive problems as well
My fellow thermodynamicists, watch starting at 4:18 . The difference in block dimensions is due to RB30 block being taller than RB26, not thermal expansion. Only you can rescue yourself from the ID-10-T loop you dove into.
Can you clarify about the mechanical fuel pump? It sounded like they were going to put it in the back, but I thought mechanical fuel pumps were belt driven.
They can also be cable driven. Kind of like a hand break cable of a bicycle, where the steel wire spins inside the jacket. But yes, its driven off the belt.
Love the car love the feature, would have loved to see Scott take it for a drive!!! Thing I'm confused about is the headlight, been seeing a few with this mod lately, wouldn't this make it difficult to drive at night and absolute cop bait or is it usually just swapped back in for street use?? Very high quality build and not over done, Love it!!
gopherchucks the RB30 block came from the Holden VL commondere. The RB30 is a single cam unit and ppl will change the heads to the RB25 or RB26 head to get the RB30DET hybrid. It also common to hear RB32 meaning the engine has 3.2L displacement. Even 3.4L is possible with bore and stroked.
rb30 is the same bore diameter as the rb25 and rb26 it's just a longer block so a longer stroke. Go look at some vl turbos you'll get a pretty good idea about the rb30's.
The rb30 was available on 3 platforms. Vl commodore, adm r31 Skyline and gq Patrol. The patrol was carb, and connected to a z32 300zx manual box with a transfer case. As already stated, the rb30 block is a tall deck rb25/26 block. But the rb26 n1 is still the strongest factory block.
Nathan Porter you missed out one more block. The Most rare of all. The RRR block which is used for the GT500 cars and also in the Z Tune R34. No ones knows how many were made but one block alone will cost 5000 to 6000 for a used block and 10 grand for the new block.
Lin Chester fair call, actually 2. The r series also has the rd28, the turbo diesel 2.8L which was the poor man spec diesel in the gq and early gu series. It got basically the same driveline setup as the rb30
Question for all the clever folks. Ive been wondering about this. He just touched on rail pressere and delta P across the injector and the FPR lifting the pressure along with boost. When the air in moving through the runner with the valves open and injection on that runner is taking place.... doesnt the bernouli say that high velocity air wil be at a reduced pressure in that runner while injection and actually increases the Delta P over that injector?
Scott Giebler thanks man. Does that not put alot of shock through the box? I saw with the dodge demon, they used a 1st and second gear transbrake for safety in case there is a failure.
5000cc of fuel per cylinder, that is a crazy amount of fuel wow! what pumps are they using to back that up? I'd think they would need a mechanical pump at that point.
Awesome car and interview as usual but wtf was with the camera work? While discussing the numerous steam ports on the cooling system you couldn't even see the radiator in the shot? No use in discussing something that you're not showing in the video
Yes the belt tightening would be noticeable as the motor warms up but the block doesn't grow 10mm that's BS. A Ford 6 cylinder head grows about 3mm in length from cold to operating temperature and that's a longer piece of alloy than this block is high. That's the reason early cast iron block falcon 6s blew head gaskets all the time. I'm tipping it would grow about 2mm. Moving both cam gears 2mm away from the crank pulley would make a huge difference in belt tension.
Interesting but like every other car video I’ve ever seen you don’t get to see the car just the guys talking about it. They might as well have been sitting at the bar in the pub.
I somewhat agree. Some close ups in the boot wouldn't have gone astray as they were discussing batteries, power steering pumps etc that were all out of view. But overall, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing these two nerd out :P
Nathan Porter . That might be true but a lot of the stuff they were talking about is straight out of the catalog and no secret except to those who might buy some of it if they actually got to see it. Buying stuff out of a catalog or off the net is risky, you buy something from the picture and description like a pair of shoes and instead of a nice comfy pair of pumps you get clown shoes for an elephant! When it comes to performance parts it can be even more dangerous as the part you get may look the beans and fit but be totally wrong. Seeing stuff actually fitted to a working vehicle is worth a lot in advertising and the only excuse for not showing something is either to keep it secret or not giveaway free advertising.
My head grew about 10mm listening to the impressive specs.
instablaster
Great to hear experts talking detail about this stuff! Keep it up.
Good to see you touching on very important things that alot of people overlook/don't realise are important, like the electrical system and the battery setup etc with so many things drawing big loads👌
indeed i stress this to my customers who want all this crap with a 26 year old alternator and cringe when I tell them the price of a high output system.
that guy
can build a gtr
The smile at the end! 😁👍
What a sweet guy.
I am so glad there is a channel that goes "In depth" with crazy cars like this. As always, fantastic info. Keep up the good work.
Incredibly well built. Loving this show Scotty. Excellent to hear the pros talk and informative. Im a massive r31/rb30 fan good to see they went the billet block route from what I've read rb30 bottom ends can have harmonic balance issue at higher rpm. This thing literally has everything you can do to a r32 its unreal.
Honestly even a non modified GTR R32 would be perfect. I absolutely love the look of the car and I love the noise the engine makes.
The exhaust cutout being controlled by the ecu is genius, just solved a lot of issues I've been trying to overcome building a steerable drift car with how strict my local laws are on noise etc.. I really didn't want to have to remember to flip switches or pull block off plates and that's perfect.
Real talk session. Love it
fuel system looks like Hollywood bomb. beautiful build guys.
Holy shit gopherchucks. Good times man good times
Beautiful work, hey Scotty were is that barra powered r32 you had on a while ago, any updates on that one?
We saw it compete at last year's WTAC in the Flying500. Not sure if anything's been done to it since.
Haltech . Thanks mate, your knowledge and professionalism cannot be matched, love your work.
This is your second video that I've really enjoyed. This series needs more attention.
what a beautifully designed and built car. it doesn't get better than that. top quality
One of the best, thorough well thought out project. Fantastic
This dude thought of everything
This dude is the Dj Khaled of JDM cars
Would love to know more about how they set up the AWD system.
Justin Piscino im pretty sure they adapted the 26 oil pan diff
@@blackbeard9958 rb30 awd adaper
Thanks again #haltech and Scotty for another awesome vid of a car that deserves praise
Some serious love in this car.
This was a fantastic episode. Thanks Tuning Fork.
Fantastic video guys, really thorough.
Scotty aka tuning fork is a legend
masterful ! Great job! I would really appreciate if you would be so kind and share what turbo manifold is that and where to get one? Thank you kindly guys
So much great info that I had to watch the pis video twice! Beautiful GTR, excellent video!
in the words of borat, "wawa weewa very nice!!"
Seen a holden ve ute with one of these in there...looked like it wanted to do a back flip leaving the line. Love the RBs
Can't believe the billet block grows soo much with temperature change 😮
Christopher Salmon it won't grow 10cm if thats what your wondering
Probably not even 1mm
I can't be bothered doing the math atm but all materials have a standard rate they grow / srink when heated / cooled
A standard rule of thumb for steel is something like 0.001 (of an inch )for every 100 degrees Fahrenheit (from memory ) and aluminum is not so drastically different that then engine will grow 10cm when warm
But even a 0.5mm grow will tighten the timing belt a lot
John Strong is this a joke or are you seriously talking about something you clearly know jack about? aluminum expands ALMOST 2 times the amount of steel. Saying it's not drastically different between the 2 is a grossly idiotic statement. It doesn't take a thermodynamic genius to see how big of a difference the coefficient of linear expansion is between the 2 is. You really should make the time to be bothered to use Google before you post about stuff and sound like an idiot. Without knowing the linear foot of the metal(the size) you can't do any calculations to say oh that's not true. Don't come out and say that's bullshit and then say but I can't be bothered with the equation to prove it wrong. Cause if you could actually do the math you would. You just sound like some dumb ass with a keyboard spreading facts that are completely not true and coming up with false rules of thumb and spreading bullshit to ppl. It's alright not to know but don't act like you do and don't try teaching ppl wrong information on subjects you clearly are not qualified to answer or even talk about.
Gentlemen! This ain't thermogoddamits class, it's just RUclips. There's nothing scienticious going on here.
When y'all get so hot under yer collar, I fear for the thread holding that top shirt button closed so tightly around your neck.
No, I will not speculate on the coefficient of expansion of an angry human's neck, nor the average tensile strength of thread used to attach buttons. ;-)
Brandon B im not pretending to to know much
But i can guarantee the block if it was 50 to 60cm tall it will not grow 10cm
That will change the compression ratio so drastically it can go from 14:1 requiring race gas to 7:1 real fast
Having worked on billet blocks and knowing they use irom sleeves most of the time
If the block grew 10cm from cold to warm and the sleeves grew 1mm there would be massive problems with every iron sleeved billet block
Not to mention stock aluminum block with iron sleeves would have massive problems as well
My fellow thermodynamicists, watch starting at 4:18 . The difference in block dimensions is due to RB30 block being taller than RB26, not thermal expansion.
Only you can rescue yourself from the ID-10-T loop you dove into.
Pleasantly enjoyable video, lots of clever thinking with pragmatic solutions.
Top build man. Impressive, thumbs up.
I also have a soft spot for Gee-D-R's
Awesome vid and and great questions to help reveal how good the build is. Brilliant!
The trunk of this car is more serious than the engine bay. WOW!
Do you have ecu that support Nissan Stagea 260rs autech version. I checked your website and I couldn’t find anything for this model
Very nice build and workmanship
Im not even going to ask where the money came from to build this
0:59
When you pass something worth much, much more than your car
this guy knows his cars, man i saw the other video with the beast supra, that thing was the devils car
Take a shot every time the tuner say "Well look...."
Can you clarify about the mechanical fuel pump? It sounded like they were going to put it in the back, but I thought mechanical fuel pumps were belt driven.
They can also be cable driven. Kind of like a hand break cable of a bicycle, where the steel wire spins inside the jacket. But yes, its driven off the belt.
Love the car love the feature, would have loved to see Scott take it for a drive!!! Thing I'm confused about is the headlight, been seeing a few with this mod lately, wouldn't this make it difficult to drive at night and absolute cop bait or is it usually just swapped back in for street use?? Very high quality build and not over done, Love it!!
Excellent review well done Mick & team
Friggin perfection.
This was great, longer form is the way.
Nice work, very impressive. Hard to beat a GTR if you are into power and traction.
awww man brilliant love the details you's go into makes all the difference cheers guys all the best from scotland
Beautiful work!
So good, thanks for alway interesting content guys!
r33 is my dream car, 400r if possible. but alas i live in the states so good luck finding one. so a gtr will do
R33, the cheapest of the GTR's
They were 15K in my day when the R32's were still $25K and R34's were over $100k
so the rb30 has a taller block for a longer stroke ? for off road reliability? honestly i didn't even know it went bigger than 2.6 stock
gopherchucks the RB30 block came from the Holden VL commondere. The RB30 is a single cam unit and ppl will change the heads to the RB25 or RB26 head to get the RB30DET hybrid.
It also common to hear RB32 meaning the engine has 3.2L displacement. Even 3.4L is possible with bore and stroked.
rb30 is the same bore diameter as the rb25 and rb26 it's just a longer block so a longer stroke. Go look at some vl turbos you'll get a pretty good idea about the rb30's.
The rb30 was available on 3 platforms. Vl commodore, adm r31 Skyline and gq Patrol. The patrol was carb, and connected to a z32 300zx manual box with a transfer case. As already stated, the rb30 block is a tall deck rb25/26 block. But the rb26 n1 is still the strongest factory block.
Nathan Porter you missed out one more block. The Most rare of all. The RRR block which is used for the GT500 cars and also in the Z Tune R34. No ones knows how many were made but one block alone will cost 5000 to 6000 for a used block and 10 grand for the new block.
Lin Chester fair call, actually 2. The r series also has the rd28, the turbo diesel 2.8L which was the poor man spec diesel in the gq and early gu series. It got basically the same driveline setup as the rb30
So using the standard Elite 2500. With the two stages of injectors are you running it semi sequential?
R32... my favorite "gee-dee-ah"
This show is so damn good!
*GDR*
Gotta love the aussies!
"full interior" - said with no roof lining
im trolling - love the car!
Scotty knows stuff...
Cable driven fuel pump sounds a bit sketch ? but these guys obviously know what they are doing, absolutely stunning car !
What a nutty car!
Awesome
Question for all the clever folks. Ive been wondering about this. He just touched on rail pressere and delta P across the injector and the FPR lifting the pressure along with boost. When the air in moving through the runner with the valves open and injection on that runner is taking place.... doesnt the bernouli say that high velocity air wil be at a reduced pressure in that runner while injection and actually increases the Delta P over that injector?
U put a lot of effort with your channel
Fully sick bro
What throttle pedal do they use with the Bosch DBW throttle body? Would a elite 2500 support that throttle body?
It's a 350Z pedal and yes Elite 2500 supports that throttle body.
Wow my my brain is tingling just a fuel system alone probably cost a lot of money
YoBoiSkeet And then you consider the billet aluminium block. $$$ Kaching!!
Matt Inman $$$$
Matt Inman the billet block is $13000 from memory
Irish Warrior wow that's a new car
Would it be ok to use 36-1 for crank instead if the 12-1?
Amazing build. Can anyone explain to me how the bump works on the strip if using a transbrake?
John Gargya it momentarily interrupts the transbrake output for a few ms
Scott Giebler thanks man. Does that not put alot of shock through the box? I saw with the dodge demon, they used a 1st and second gear transbrake for safety in case there is a failure.
RB30 billet blocks cost $15k alone
Smo Kabong try 25k
yeh mate $13950AUD (inc. GST) www.bulletraceengineering.com.au/billet-blocks?lightbox=dataItem-j593xi98
yeh mate try actually knowing what you're commenting about next time.
Smo Kabong damn.. $15k
Wouldnt the belt shrink in the cold and expand in the heat? Not the other way round?
Impressive makes my 6466 feel like a t28
When block is cold belt is slack. As block gets heat in to it, it grows and stretches belts with pulleys.... ally block 👌
Moey knows his shit!
nice GDR
5000cc of fuel per cylinder, that is a crazy amount of fuel wow! what pumps are they using to back that up? I'd think they would need a mechanical pump at that point.
Beast 🔥🔥🔥
Nicr
it needs another 900hp to run 7s, at least according to the other street 32 gtr
So could you put a loud ass exhaust in these ?
GEE DEE AHH
More car footage pls
Wish I had one of each.
Straya!
gee dee arrrrhh!
Gee Dee Arrrreee
Legend
What is an aes valve?
Awesome car and interview as usual but wtf was with the camera work?
While discussing the numerous steam ports on the cooling system you couldn't even see the radiator in the shot?
No use in discussing something that you're not showing in the video
We had a hard drive failure and lost a lot of the overlay footage we wanted to use in this video :(
Haltech that's very unfortunate :(
Haltech fair enough man I almost feel bad for pointing it out now 😅
8 grand where’s those days gone
Peter Brock Drive is a 50kph zone🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes the belt tightening would be noticeable as the motor warms up but the block doesn't grow 10mm that's BS. A Ford 6 cylinder head grows about 3mm in length from cold to operating temperature and that's a longer piece of alloy than this block is high. That's the reason early cast iron block falcon 6s blew head gaskets all the time.
I'm tipping it would grow about 2mm. Moving both cam gears 2mm away from the crank pulley would make a huge difference in belt tension.
I thought I heard a 10th. Not 10mm?
Yeah he said a 10th. It's difficult to hear, sorry :(
Thanks Scotty it didn't sound right. That sounds much more on the money. Keep up the great content, you're very good at this.
Thanks for the kind words!
How much does a build of this nature cost drive in drive out? Im guessing $60000 not including car
You would need to check with the workshop - these are all custom builds so costs would vary.
60k would get eaten up quite easily unfortunately!
Hi Scott
Well look.
What's a *GDR* ?
It's like a GTR only better.
?? So yeah nah yeah well look, that being said it is what it is at the end of the day......
owner of the GT-R sounds like Korg from Thor Ragnarok...
Bob Last he’s the owner of the shop, not the car. It’s a customer car. The msm r33 (his car) is really big time
well he still sounds like Korg...
Nah, that's an Aussie Lebanese accent, Korg is a Kiwi.
hahahaha... NZ has dude made of rock walking around starting revolutions?
i just blew
full interior. no roof lining
Well spotted! The car actually has full roof lining now, but it didn't have it at the time of the shoot.
Interesting but like every other car video I’ve ever seen you don’t get to see the car just the guys talking about it. They might as well have been sitting at the bar in the pub.
We're pretty sure given the choice they would have been:)
I somewhat agree. Some close ups in the boot wouldn't have gone astray as they were discussing batteries, power steering pumps etc that were all out of view.
But overall, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing these two nerd out :P
Gotta have some secrets guys. Gtr drag racing here in Australia is big time. You can’t just give everything up.
Nathan Porter . That might be true but a lot of the stuff they were talking about is straight out of the catalog and no secret except to those who might buy some of it if they actually got to see it. Buying stuff out of a catalog or off the net is risky, you buy something from the picture and description like a pair of shoes and instead of a nice comfy pair of pumps you get clown shoes for an elephant! When it comes to performance parts it can be even more dangerous as the part you get may look the beans and fit but be totally wrong.
Seeing stuff actually fitted to a working vehicle is worth a lot in advertising and the only excuse for not showing something is either to keep it secret or not giveaway free advertising.
Lol, you can’t just build a 1000hp gtr from a catalog. 90% of the work is fab and tuning.
Nooooo, that wasn't an open-to-atmosphere , unfiltered intake??? Was it.....??? Please, no.....
Sorry, your not Donut..
Nissan G'dee'aaar
Why you Aussies say JDR instead GTR?