Great video. Love the deep dive. Would love a series about "Is it all defense or is your starter actually elite" for each team. I guess for the bad teams "is it your defense or does your starter just suck".
That woukd be a very interesting video. I also would love it if he could discuss, when a backup proves they can start. Goalies are voodoo so it would be cool to have a metric to see how teams can justify trading their starter to run their backup as a atarter.
Montreal Canadiens in their last Cup final appearance versus the results the next season. Demonstrates that an elite goaltender makes a team better than it would otherwise be.
We need a sold tendy, Its a blessing and a curse just relaying on outscoring the other team all the time. I want to live in the universe were the avs have these forwards, these D and a A+ goalie.
@@st8rm_13 it actually wouldn't be that bad. If they offer sheeted him for 8-9M it would cost a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick. For an elite goalie, and with those picks probably being late round picks, I think that would be worth it for some playoff teams, especially if they have the cap. Where it gets expensive is if they need to dump cap. Then a trade might make more sense.
@@BahamutBreaker I’ve watched and read more that I probably needed to, not even being a Bruins fan. That said, it’s getting to the point where the bridge is on fire and everyone’s already crossed it.
Excellent video!! I have grown tired of all the emotional drama from fans regarding this situation. Your video sticks to facts, discusses nuance, and remains impartial, while still providing accurate and worthwhile information. Great job, Hockey Psychology.
@@bradleyroth9870I agree. However, how you define “reasonable” and how Swayman (and his agent) define “reasonable” might be different. And only one of those definitions has any real-world impact. Spoiler warning: It’s not your definition.
Korpisalo's junior team is Karhu Kissat in Helsinki and is part of the HIFK family - meaning they are part of their farm team group. The HIFK teams are well-known for outstanding goalie development. There are now at least 4 Finnish NHL current goalies who worked within that group of goalie coaches around Janne Laine. This means Jonas has everything on the technical side to adjust and improve. I believe he is one of the most underrated goalies if he gets his mental side together. And especially with goalies - confidence goes a looooong way - see Ullmark...
@@jordantanner8as an oilers fan, Korpisalo single handedly won those Columba’s teams so many games against the oilers I couldn’t believe my eyes. Every time we played him he looked like the best goalie in the league
Guy was keeping the bruins in games where they had 4 shots through two periods. He’s absolutely elite. It felt like at times we were swarming them and dude was just blanking everything we threw at him. Thankfully the Bruins just didn’t have the horses because if they did, he might have stolen that series against us. He’s a top 3 goaltender in my eyes.
Which goalie did not play like an elite hall of famer against the Panthers during the playoffs? Maybe lack of high % scoring chances by the Panthers is all it was?
@@joefleming3023 Skinner wasn’t that great against us and Vasy didn’t have that a great a series against us either. Swayman and Shesterkin were monsters however.
@@joefleming3023 what are you talking about? Florida played against Vasi and Igor and Swayman played just as good if not better. Skinner is not even in this conversation because that series was completely different.
Quality and in-depth discussion on the topic. I like how you looked at the situation from both Bostons and the goalie perspective. Cant believe the last video you put out was just 3 days ago. Awesome stuff.
Incredible video as always. I love that when I see a new video uploaded here, I can expect really compelling Hockey analysis while also continuing to teach me about the game (which I love having followed hockey my whole life, I always want to understand and get more.) Can't wait to watch your videos this season!
Im conflicted cause as a Sens fan, If they dont sign him they could fall out of a playoff spot and that makes room for my team to hopefully sneak in.. but on the other hand, i have Swayman in my keeper pool 😂
Fellow Sens fan wishing that they ship him in the West for sure, I love how Bruins fans who say he's not worth that money will be the first to say he's elite as soon as he signs lol.
Just want to let you know that I'm going to watch the NHL season for the first time in my life because of your videos. And I think I'm a hockey fan now... thanks!
If you look at Bob after he signed his contract in Florida after a Vezina campaign… people said “muh albatross contract” even though Robb Tallas is one of the best tendie coaches in the league. The panthers had 2 of the top 5 leaders in Turnovers on defense and Bob was hung out to dry heavy during the early part of the contract. Through Boughner, Q, and Bruno they were more focussed on an offensive style run & gun style and the defense wasn’t the focus which led to them struggling heavy. When PoMo came in with the defense first heavy forecheck system everything changed and Bob got back to form and finally getting his first cup.
@@erikmerced6329 Joe Thornton was severely overrated. how do you get stripped of the 'C' on TWO different teams??? guy was a bum, not a real leader, and that's why he never won a Cup
If you factor in 44 minimum games played last season, Swayman was truly amongst the elite. I can't see an additional 11 games tanking him, the playoffs showed he's more than capable of being a 55+ starter. Just give him 8x8.5 and call it a day, he's the only chance they have at getting the cup for the foreseeable future.
Problem is that Swayman wants 8 years and much more than 8.5mil per year... Bruins don't have cap space and allocating 9+ million to a goalie who could get injured or his performance could go south could hamstring them for years. Paying any player whatever they want isn't an option in a cap world even when cap is projected to increase (but that isn't guaranteed and they need to pay a team in front of him too). Now, if Swayman wants to be paid his 9+ million, he may need to go to another team that has the cap space but then they won't have the same caliber team playing around him.
@jo5r8753 are you sure the bruins defense is "much" better than the Jets? And Helley signed that contract at like 30 years old. The Bruins want Swayman's prime years which cost more. The cap is also going up. There are no comparables to Swayman's situation. The closest is Schneider after he was traded to the Devils.
@jo5r8753 helly is also 31... sway is 25. Seriously 8.5x8 would be a massive steal. You're buying sway in his prime. Helly is old and will not be good by the end of that contact, he will be 38...
To all Bruins fans: You're too used to players taking a hometown discount like Marchand and Bergeron did. That's not how the NHL runs anymore and they're a thing of the past. You pay players based on what they will do, not what they've done. What's more is Swayman is already proven anyway, another 10 starts is not going to change his numbers. If you want a goalie that averages .920 sv% in a league where scoring has gone up every year for a long time and looks like it's going to continue, YOU PAY FOR IT. Bruins fans who insist on lowballing Swayman are the most entitled, self-important fans in the entire league because you all think you should get elite NHL talent for well below market value. It's what you're used to. Not Swayman's fault Sweeney screwed up your cap and prioritized signing big name UFAs like Lindholm and Zadorov before securing his #1 goalie. He gained all the leverage he needed when Sweeney pulled the trigger on that Ullmark trade. That's a massive blunder by your GM, so stop trying to put it on your all-star goalie for demanding what he's worth.
I’m a lifelong Bruins fan. As much as I might hate to admit it, your comment is mostly accurate. The “hometown discounts” incorporated into past contracts for Bergeron and Marchand are/were a luxury - not the norm. Bruins fans, on the whole, are indeed acting like entitled spoiled brats over the last few weeks. Goaltenders are often underpaid in the NHL, in a sport where all athletes are underpaid (relative to contracts in the NFL, NBA, MLB, and top Euro soccer).
Agreed to some extent but do you wanna win championships or not players get so greedy nowadays not that they’re not worth the money but when all is said and done does the player just want money or a ring/rings those other guys took discounts so Boston could try to build a contending team I could go on about this topic but I’m not gonna get into it just giving my opinion on why players take discounts
@@BahamutBreaker Hometown discounts aren't discounts. Marchand signed his contract extension before the last year of what was his current contract. Meaning if HE GOT HURT in the last year of his deal, he would get paid his contract. So he gave up money for security. They are also perceived. What is another team willing to pay?
Leaf's would love a great goalie like that at 9 million...way more affordable than their top players. Bruins have been so spoiled with cheap stars for too long.
As a Bruins fan, this pisses me off. If guys like Marner and Nylander get paid as much as get paid, why not pay our great goaltender more. Swayman deserves it
Do you have a concussion? Because Nylander is def worth what he's getting paid. Bruins defense is the sole reason Sway is where he is today. Throw him on the leafs and you would realize he's just average.
@@imaginethat2879 I don’t think Nylander is worth $11.5 million per year. A # 3 (or 2 player on his team at times) is worth a huge contract, yet a # 1 goalie doesn’t deserve that much?
@@imaginethat2879You, like so many casual B’s fans, are overestimating the impact of Boston’s defense, at least as of 2024. If you look back at defensive metrics and compare 2022-23 versus 2023-24, you will (unfortunately) see how much impact Patrice Bergeron had on the Bruins’ defensive excellence. Now that we’re in a post-Bergeron era, goaltending skill is mattering much more, now, than us Bruins fans grew accustomed to during Bergeron’s long career.
Awesome video dude. Excellent analysis, as a former goalie and Bruins fan I appreciate seeing Swayman actually get some proper appreciation. He’s one of the best goalies in the league and unfortunately for the front office, he deserves every penny. Especially when you consider this is likely his main big contract based on how goalie primes usually work, so if he’s signing for 8 years he deserves proper compensation.
I love the people on Twitter calling him selfish and talking about taking team friendly deals. Like that's what they would do if they were in those shoes. They're not gonna sign if they think they're getting underpaid
A team friendly deal to be a cup contender sounds like a reasonable thing to me. I honestly think the Bruins will do okay without him not as good as they would with him but okay but tbh he’s not really worth what he’s asking for currently if he had more as a complete starter and same numbers I would say yes but as is 5-6mil for another 2-3 years then a big contract if he can keep up his play makes more sense if he wants massive money. Edit: Hill brought Vegas a cup and got a contract of less then 5mil even after a really good performance in the playoffs team friendly is semi important when you wanna stay a contender
Some players take less when they are at the later end of their careers, IF…they played their whole careers there and want to finish there. otherwise, get paid for your value. Take it and run with it!
Great video as usual. I love this channel. But I have to be a semi kidding troll and say the usual “This aged well!” response. Sweeney, Neely & Co. did everything; action wise, to show and prove to Swayman that they 100% believe in him. They traded Ullmark to get a 1st round pick knowing it’d be leverage against them. They tried to maintain weekly updates. They offered 63m over 8 years. There was no response and zero traction in negotiations. So Cam Neely got fed up with it all and said screw it, I’ll start a fire under their asses. Some bashed him. Some praised him. Now Gross, Swayman’s agent, is saying that Neely’s comment pushed things along for both sides and actually got both side together to agree on a new deal.
@@tombs3388 My argument more so is you can be mediocre in this league and still get a bag (Elvis) vs the average NFL kicker . Like you still have Tucker making bag , much like Price or Bob. And although the goalie position is much more athletic, the kicker is under the most pressure usually (like a last second field goal) . If you make it, good job, but you didn't do anything and if you miss it, it's 100000% their fault alone.
@@tombs3388 More times than not, kickers only get recognized if they can kick 60+ , which to me I'd equate to a shutout, a goalie can gaffe a shutout and still be seen as elite .
I’m just getting into hockey… this is absolutely nuts! Not the fact that Swayman wants what he deserves, more importantly, what all the others in his position deserve. I’ve just never seen public contract negotiations be so crazy. Of course we see toxic post arbitration negotiations in the MLB all the time, but never on front street like this! Usually just he said, he said, stuff.
We’ve been lucky with elite goaltending in Boston for the past 20 years. Maybe it’s got something to do with the defensive system and goalie coach Bob Essensa. It will be interesting to see if Bussi or Korpisalo are good enough without Swayman, it could work out for Bruins’ Management leverage. But if their GAA average is 3 without Swayman, Swayman is gonna end up getting way more than 8x8.
I don't get the hype of this guy. He is an average goalie, at best. He's never played more then 45 games!! 45 games.....out of 82. He isn't even a real starter. Starters play in at least 60 games. Thats the whole point of having a number #1 starting goalie. Now his numbers aren't bad, but you are basing those numbers on a few factors. One, he knows they have a capable back up. He knows if things go bad or he isn't feeling it, he has an out. Splitting time vs being the number #1 is a huge difference. This whole "but hes in his prime or but hes an elite goalie" bullshit is wild. Buddy had played 3 years and never played more then half the games in a year. Thats not wins, thats starts.......Now you are going to add 20 games to that number, maybe more and expect the numbers to stay the same.....for 8 fucking years??? WILD.. He's lucky he even got offered 8m. Goalie is too high risk a position and if you creep into the 8 figures a year mark you start to run into big trouble when the goalie isn't as purchased. 2 years at 9m would be the absolute limit for someone like Swayman. If he thinks hes good enough then its a major steal for him. He gets to prove he can be a starter and after 2 years he can most likely have his pick of teams. He would be closer to 12-13-14m a year and it would be worth it. The cap increases and it makes so much more sense. But this attitude of "well the cap is going up so I want more money because I'm really good" is a joke. I hope he sits out all season and is carrying water bottles for a non playoff team by march......
@@coreytrevor3910only 7 goalies have played 60+ games in at least one of the past 2 seasons. And only 3 did it last year. If that’s your bar for being a “starter” you might want to widen your scope a little
@@habsfan4ever67 that's a poor argument cause you know what he's saying- that Sway isn't a proven starter or supetstar- but you're a habs fan so I get it
@@habsfan4ever67 The league has entered this "need two good goalies" era for a while now and it has its ups and downs. What I'm saying is you need a goalie that can play 60 first. Doesnt mean he HAS too, but if you start making goalies only play 50 games or 55 games then it stretches the position. Now you need a decent number 2. Now when the number 2 goes in, he needs to win games...it becomes this entirely different dynamic. I get its not the same game when goalies started 70/75 games but paying a #1 goalie 8 figures and then still needing a backup to pick up slack and pay him 3-4m is just not sustainable. Swayman just doesnt have the track record to demand the term. The money maybe you could make sense of, but not the term.
Trying to track what you are saying... You say "he deserves to get paid...no reason to pay him." Are you saying the Bruins (or someone) should give him $64K, or are you saying they shouldn't?
Great in-depth look at this. Swayman is phenomenal and I don't think anyone can deny that but he has only played 132 games and never a full season always splitting it. I understand where he sees himself and his numbers do skew that direction but definitely I see where Boston is hesitant to drop the rumoured 10 on an unproven full year. That being said goalies also statistically do get underpaid comparative to other positions for equal stardom/skill. Considering they play the full 60 too. Curious to how this is going to go, I'd love to have them both in Ottawa but that's wishfully naive.
It's a tough situation. On one hand, Sway proved he was the best when it mattered most last year in the playoffs. The fact that they lost was NOT on him. On the other hand, as a team, you can't have 1 guy hamstring you when you clearly made your choice by trading Linus. I think of Mac in this situation. He is without a doubt 1 of only 2 players in the league that can do the things he does. He could have held out for some massive amount of money and made the rest of the team suffer in the very near future ( not be able to pay Mikko or Cale), but he also understands to win in thus league, you need several stars, and they all need to play at an elite level. As bad as I want to see him in goal in Boston, I think Cam should just kick the can down the street. Just trade him and get a MASSIVE haul for him. It seems when looking at this club, they have no problem simply creating another goalie. They have some serious talent that they will have to pay in the next couple of years and I just don't see the Cap moving in any huge way. Go get em Cam!
The issue is that Boston's window is pretty much now. Training a new goalie takes a lot of time. I don't know if many team would be willing to give all that much for a goaltender. They're always pretty low value.
@@elomellow1623 The only scenario I was able to come up with is if Utah wanted to make a splash, Swayman for Connor Ingram and picks. Ingram is probably good enough to man your net if it frees up $6m+ somewhere else. Boston could then flip the picks to a seller for a player.
"This is Jeremy Swayman, he's the bruins superstar starting goalie." Factually no. He's never been a starter in his career. His numbers were virtually identical to Linus Ullmark the last three years who for some reason no one considers a superstar. So no. Let's stop that. This is Jeremy Swayman the Bruins former tandem goalie who wants to be a superstar starter. Now that we are more on the right track we can continue. This guy has never played 45 games in a season. He's never won a Vezina. He's never won a cup. He's never won a ConnSmythe. He's never won a gold medal. He was the second goalie on a Jennings trophy, and the second goalie on a presidents trophy winning team behind Ullmark. This goalie has a contract offer that would make him the 5th highest paid goalie of all time. What has he done that warrants that? Ullmark makes 5. Ullmark has hardware behind his name. This goalie wants to be the second highest paid active goalie in the league. He doesn't warrant being 5th he certainly doesn't warrant being 2nd. The Bruins initial offer was 4 years at 6.25 as a show me contract. That was a super fair deal. McAvoy's show me contract was 4 something and he was already playing top dman minutes. Pasta's show me contract was 6 and he was already a top line winger. Swayman is not a starter yet and he wants to be paid like the best couple of starts in the league. To me his comparables are guys like Demko, Oettinger, and Ullmark (especially given they literally played in front of the same team, for the same amount of games, and put up the same stats doing it) those guys all make 5 or less. Why does Swayman warrant 165% of that? Why did he think he is worth almost double?
Swayman is an elite goalie, your argument is that he hasn’t won anything and he hasn’t been a starter. He’s been in a tandem and taking on an extra 10-15 games won’t see him drop off a cliff. His skillset is of an elite caliber, everyone knows this, why would he want to be paid lesser than he’s worth. He is most definitely a superstar talent, Boston getting friendly contracts stopped after Pasta, the league isn’t like that anymore and that’s what you’re failing to process. There aren’t any team friendly contracts being signed now
@@peterangiolella2907 Okay so is Ullmark an elite goalie? Your answer has to be yes by the way. Because they've put up virtually the same numbers the last three years playing in front of the exact same team in almost the exact same number of games. Ullmark is making 5. I already said the Pasta and McAvoy stuff. They both took bridge deal show me contracts. They earned the higher pay days. Swayman literally refused to do that. He got over 8. Did he deserve that? I don't think he did. But it is what it is.
With Swayman being an RFA, I think that if a team really wanted him, they'd have done an offer sheet. I don't think that anyone wants to pay him that much, just because he's only played 132 games.
@@Ando2k10 I'm surprised he hasnt been offer sheeted. He seems like a prime candidate for me. At the same time though maybe teams are waiting for his ask to drop a bit or for things to sour more between him and Boston before making a move. Lots of options
@@hockey_highlights_and_more It'd be a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd, for the 8M AAV offer sheet...not all that much if anyone thought Swayman was as good as he thinks he is.
@@Ando2k10 that’s a lot for a goalie, but that helps Boston they easily match, try 12 million plus cause that’s what an offer sheet is going to look like
@@BahamutBreaker not gonna happen bud. I won’t stop being a B’s fan, and I won’t stop telling jokes. Sounds like you need an intervention though. Not a good habit to be posting angry messages on random RUclips threads at 3.30am. I hope you pull through whatever you’re going through.
@@forestg1743Leafs fan here. I know I’m gonna start a fight with one of you… and it is 1230am now. This other bruins fan sounds like Islander fans reaction to Tavares leaving NY. They said “we don’t need you.” And quite possibly, it’s justified, after I read the details…. But I’m thinking some Bruins fans and Islanders fans both have hard feelings…. And you don’t live far away from each other…. That being said, I don’t like what I’m seeing here about Ullmark being traded away. I was jealous of ullmark and swayman hugging each other and I didn’t see that on My Team‼️I don’t think management knows what they’re doing. Some management on different sports teams, maybe from the bruins to the Leafs to the Blue jays in baseball, seem to Deliberately Be Throwing the game, just to Save Some Money‼️ And it pisses me off‼️ I say we stop going and watching, until management smartens up‼️…. Yeah, I know, it ain’t gonna happen 🤷♂️
Great video, the only thing that was not brought up about Korpisalo is that he has had issues in Columbus, LA, and Ottawa. So with Korpisalo it might not be be just his style or ability to play, there may be more to it.
Tom Brady, when he was offered a $10mil contract for 6 years was quoted as saying “If I can’t live off $60million dollars for the rest of my life, then there is a bigger problem.” Swagman is obviously a great goaltender, but his sample size is very small, and he was a #2 for most of his career (so far). I would argue the best way to get out of this dilemma is to give him a 1 or 2 year deal, give him the lions share of starts, and have him prove his worth then.
There is exactly 0 incentive to Swayman to take a 1 or 2 year deal though. He wouldn't sign a contract with that term. It doesn't benefit him in any way. And, Tom Brady is an anomaly for a number of reasons. He was married to a wife wealthier than him, he was already experiencing team success, and he was getting for more from sponsorships. It's sort of like Crosby: Crosby never needed to be the highest earning player in the league. He makes so much outside the game that his contract can afford to be worth less. Until Swayman is getting advertising deals like that, this is his primary source of income, and he shouldn't be taking discounts on it to be nice to a team that has shown they'll trade him the minute they think they can go with a cheaper option than him.
Great commentary! I can't think of a time when I have ever sided with the organization instead of the player. In this case though, I do believe management does have a point here. Swayman has a very small sample size, he's never played a full season as the #1. Sure it's easy to say "I'm sure he can do it", but can he? Usually you need to prove it first to get the big long term contract. I don't like seeing people automatically throw Sweeney under the bus. If you step back and look at it, I do think management does have a point. You have a goaltender with only 132 games played asking for record breaking contract. Neither side can save face at this point. Swayman better really hope the B's lose a lot of games by a lot of goals before Dec 1st.
Goaltending is one of the hardest positions for teams to give large contracts because we've seen so many young goaltenders have a spectacular rise and fall, sometimes in the same season. How many goaltenders have we seen sign big money contracts with long term, only for them to lose the starting job that very same season? That's why Marc-Andre Fleury was left exposed for the Vegas expansion draft, and the Pens paid Vegas with other draft picks, for them to take Fleury off the Pens hands.
swayman is looking for vasilevskiy money but unfortunately doesn't have enough of a body of work (games played over past several sessons) to justify getting paid such.
Swayman is an elite goalie. The Bruins org had a tandem of two elite goalies, gave Swayman limited games, and are now using that to try to justify underpaying him.
I don't really care either way as I'm a Dallas fan but if I'm Boston I'm not budging the dude has not even been a starter for a whole season, why destroy your cap for that?
@@brucelee4357 It's a team sport. He was by far the Bruins' best player last playoffs. I would argue that he did, in fact, win the Leafs series for a middling Bruins team that had zero chance of winning the Cup regardless of the performance of a single player. He didn't play a full season because he was the younger, less experienced goalie in a tandem with a Vezina-winning veteran goalie. On virtually any other team in the league he would have been a starter playing a full season. A player of his caliber relative to his peers would get 8x8 in any position other than goalie. This is the argument that Swayman has publicly made; that the goalie salary market is out of whack and he's trying to take a stand to correct it not just for himself but for his peers as a comparable. Some pretty shit (by NHL standards) defensemen are getting $4mil AAV these days.
@brucelee4357 so Ullmark Kuemper Matt Murray Binnington and Fleury are all currently better than Swayman ? Those are the only ones who have won cups and vezinas over the last decade who are still playing other than Vasy, Shesterkin, Bob and Hellebuyck
Boston's management really didn't think this through. By trading Ullmark they basically told Swayman, his agent, and the league as a whole that Swayman is BETTER than a Vezina winning goalie... So yeah... They have no one to blame for this fiasco but themselves.
Nice analysis but it would have been helpful to hit on the cap space available. If Swayman gets the supposed 9.5 ask, it leaves the Bruins little to no room to acquire any possible help during the season . Puckpedia has the cap space at under 8 million with Korpisalo, Bussi and Patera now and capwages has it at ~8.6 with only Korpisalo and a slightly different lineup of skaters. They still have 1.33 million tied up for Mike Reilly. Also the Bruins could have tied up Swayman for 2 years at the $3.4xx bc of the arbitration but did 1 so he could renegotiate. Swayman chose the arbitration, now his feelings are hurt from it.
This ^^^. It would leave them without cap room to the point where they wouldn't be able to call up players from Providence. Do they expect to win with fewer than 18 players on the ice?
No agent worth their money would accept that argument. The Bruins made moves to build a good team but didn't lock down their stsrter. They can't then complain that they have no cap space when they went out and got Limdholm ans Zadorov for big money in free agency. You gotta pay your starter.
What has Swayman done to merit superstar status? He's been very good, but he doesn't have a long history of greatness. For the last few years he has shared the net with Linus Ullmark. He became the 1A just last season, during the playoffs, where he was great. Put together 2 or 3 years of that kind of goaltending then you can call him a superstar. As far as him holding out, I'd say that the Bruins are making a huge mistake. Just pay the guy.
As a goalie myself as I too never understood why goalies always got the short stick in terms of pay. While l understand his logic, Swayman isn't worth what he's asking.
@@kurtwpg and that could result in 25 to 30 dropped points. Meaning no playoffs. Even if its only 15 lost points, that is still enough to drop the B's out of the playoffs this season
As much as I love sway in boston(in-fact he and Linus made me actually like Boston in the first place) if they won’t pay him I really hope he goes somewhere else that will value him more. Like Ottawa maybe….i can dream right?
So you can't sign him to a lowball 8 year contract because he wants to prove him self. This isn't a good argument because all other goalies with his resume continue to be elite throughout their careers. The only argument is that he was a backup behind an elite Ullmark. Well some teams reliably produce great goalies to replace elite older goalies. Luongo, Schneider and Markstrom, Demko and all 4 are elite. Games played is a terrible argument because the guy is 25, goalies don't usually become starters around this age and the Bruins are making him a starter and so they have to pay him like one.
His output in the play-offs alone should tell you he’s ready and deserving of a large contract. The fact he didn’t start doesn't amount to much. he was the younger half of an elite tandem with ullmark. Now that ullmark is gone and the expectation is that he’s going to be starting, why would he accept lowballs when the entire nhl is aware of his talent not just during the regular season, but where it matters the most: the play-offs.
@@fogie10 both series losses were literally to the panthers... who ended up in cup finals both times... given the fact he even kept the bruins competitive against the panthers with how dominant they were in the postseason, as well as the fact the bruins have been stacking their roster with physically imposing guys to counter the panthers (zadorov, jones...), you would think that a goalie who has proven that he can bring it to game 6/7 should be valued off of more than just how many times he lost to the cup champs.
i’m a bruins fan. Swayman is not a superstar. Hes no unrestricted. He has no leverage. i’d say he’s worth 7mill/year, maybe play well as a full time guy and push for the contract when he earns it. He has not earned it. And swayman is acting like a baby
@@milan99cz Honestsly 7 mill is high. So they can just fuck their cap space up? for a young ok goalie. You’re nuts. They offered 7.8x8 that would be a gross over pay already. Him talking about fixing the market is the dumbest cope i’ve ever heard.
Awesome video with a great overview of the situation. But currently, don't the Bruins only have $8m in cap space? If Swayman wants 9+ he'll likely be skating elsewhere. Great goalie, but I can't see spending over 8.5 on his talents, imo.
Sway says he wants to be a Bruin. A lot of other people may not like me for this, but I trust him that he wants to be a Bruin, so I have no doubt he will be signed in the coming weeks.
No they don't you wombat. Sway is not even a superstar. It amazes me how stupid people are about this situation. Nobody outside of the Bruins fanbase understands any of this, yet they all think they know what's going on. So annoying.
Swayman is not worth that kind of money. They shouldn’t pay him that, but also the Bruins made their own bed and now need to sleep in it. I don’t know why they traded their goalie before they had their ducks in a row.
Yeah, it's definitely a partial failure by management that they didn't have a good read on Swayman's potential demands. Or maybe Swayman just played them, or straight out lied to them. Whatever happened, it's definitely a F up, going from having the best goalie tandem in the league to having to use a couple back-ups and AHL level net-minders
The Bruins didn't take the second year of arbitration and traded Ullmark (before his no-trade clause kicked in July 1) to make cap space, to show Swayman they want him as #1 goalie. They erred in thinking that Swayman would accept a fair and above comparables contract. They did not factor in that Swayman would ask for an outlandish contract they can't pay (nor shouldn't).
@MartinSchedlbauer how is it an outlandish contract? Then don't exoect him to sign for 8 years with a lowball offer. If he wins a vezina with a lowball contract, it destroys the goalie market.
A hard position to be in. Swayman isn’t UFA until 2026 and considering the history with the Bruins should not seek to remain there. Boston would be foolish to try to keep him long term at this point. This is a situation where there will be a winner and loser: not mutual agreement. Either way I believe a trade is what would be best for the team and the player. That will not be easy either, though.
Pay him 6x6 guaranteed, but increase his salary by an extra million for every year he performs above .920 and 50+ games. If he is as good as he is supposed to be, he walks away with a max 11mil/yr. salary and 51mil combined (8.5mil/avg. for the 6yrs). In 6 years 11mil will probably be the new norm for elite goalies. He still gets a minimum 36mil if he is just average. I think we need to put some pay by performance incentives into these things.
I want to give you some genuine praise for suggesting a logical solution to the Swayman negotiations. However, unless I’m mistaken, such performance-incentive type contracts are restricted to only 35+ year-old veterans, according to the current agreement between the NHL and NHLPA. So, I don’t think your suggestion can actually translate to reality. I need to research this, though, to be sure.
@@BahamutBreaker It was more of a hypothetical, what if? statement. But, I'm happy at least someone read and understood what I was saying. I do think incentive based contracts should be for everyone. I mean, that's how real life works. A company hires you at a starting pay and if you do a good job, you get a raise.
Super star? He's hasn't played enough games to be called that. He was riding confidence with ullmark. Then he beat the leafs. Remember that zamboni driver? Then he lost to Florida.. guys tripping his own career up.
Swayman is a snowflake with a massive chip on his shoulder. He is more interested in setting the goalie market than winning this season. He is not worth the squeeze.
So you're not a fan of Sweeney, are you fan of the GREED Swayman is showing? I mean I'm not normally a fan of Sweeney BUT on this one HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!! They've already proven to him he's their number one goalie by trading Linus. This kid DOESN'T deserve top 3 goalie money. He hasn't proven he can carry the team night in and night out like a true number one goalie does. Why should he be paid like it?
@@c0ldabyss The Bruins will make the playoffs without Swayman even if they didn't do anything else. But with an extra 8.8m in cap space free they can go get another C or LW to really push the skating core forward and I honestly don't know if that makes them better than Sway and their current skating group.
Comparing a long term contract today to a long term contract signed many years ago is difficult. The salary cap is going up and this is something to take into account. Draisaitl signed a "Best player in the NHL" contract even though he's not even the best player on his team. That doesn't necessarily mean he was overvalued in of itself, just that it's the price to pay to lock a superstar for a long term deal in 2024 as opposed to a few years ago. With that said, i do believe a 8million a year for 8 years contract might be seen as a steal for a goalie like Swayman in a few years (assuming he lives up to his potential), he sure doesn't have a lot of games under his belt for a guy who seems convinced he knows his worth. He's a potential superstar imo, not a proven one.
@johngoodman5094 lol, good luck running two replacement level goalies. I mean that sincerely, your defense isn't good enough to keep a playoff caliber team with two average to sub par goalies.
The Bruins didn't disrespect Swayman. Sway took the Bruins to arbitration. It is no secret that ALL arbitrations, players hear things you don't want to hear. He clearly has a grudge now and took things personally when it was just business. The season is starting, the players and management want him on the ice, and he's willing to sit out and demand more money instead of do "everything" he can do to help the team. I get wanting to get paid, Swayman is thinking of his family and himself, but $7.8/8 million AAV is great for a goalie who's never played more than 44 games in a season and has had no deep playoff runs. Diehard Bruin fan but I'm with Neely and Sweeney on this one.
i don’t think enough people take into consideration bob essensas work. i don’t think there has been a longer tenured goalie coach in the league and for good reason, the only comparable to him is benoit allaire from the new york rangers as he developed lundqvist and shesterkin. i think he’s gonna iron out the flaws of korpisalos game and get him to his 19-20 season form. if the bruins have success from the start, they will start to gain leverage over swayman and i’m guessing he resigns sometime in november for ~7-7.5 million
i also think bostons defence is a lot more mobile than they’re given credit for, obviously being bigger and heavier makes them slower due to physics but a lot of them make up for it for being agile and having quick feet, especially mason lohrei. they’ll be fine against the rush if they don’t make stupid pinches
Not sure I’ve seen anyone become regarded so highly so quickly for doing so little as Swayman. Be elite as a full time starter for a season first before pretending you’re a top 5 goalie in the league
Hellebuyck: multiple Vezinas Swayman: no Vezinas Hellebuyck: has to live in Winnipeg Swayman: doesnt have to live in Winnipeg Hellebuyck: 8.5m AAV Swayman: (wants) 10m AAV
@@BahamutBreaker I don't know about Sweeney being solid, gave 29 year old Lindholm 7 x 7.75 million after a 44 point season, 5 million per year for Zadorov is an overpay. Seems like goaltending bailed them out last year. Bruins have had some good draft picks under him but also a lot of misses. McAvoy is his prize draft pack, Poitras looks good, Lysell might be a player, Letourneau was was a great pick I was a big fan of his. Drafted Swayman but if he loses him then it will negate that. Korpisalo was terrible for the Sens and was making some cash, I think that was a horrible move.
@@danb239 I didn’t say Sweeney is a genius or brilliant. I said he is a solid GM. You actually just listed off a bunch of his strengths and weaknesses, which makes my point for me. Thanks. He’s solid, or “average”, if you prefer that term.
@@BahamutBreaker I didn't list off a bunch of his strengths I said they have made some good draft picks while he was GM, that's it. It's pretty much just 1 good draft pick, McAvoy, and a few others with potential yet to pan out. He drafted Swayman but he handled that situation like an amateur. He gave away all his leverage then bitched about Swayman in the media to make things worse and on top of it lied about the amount of money he offered him. He is the laughingstock of the league and now Swayman is holding out and they only have Korpisalo who is shit, Ottawa just wanted him gone and only Sweeny was stupid enough to take him. Really didn't make your point for you as you didn't have much of a point. Really went out on a limb saying he is "solid", whatever TF that means. Lindholm contract is one of the worst in the league the day it was signed and will only get worse. Goaltending is the only reason Bruins were any good and he screwed that up royally. I wasn't arguing with you at all, so pathetic saying thanks like that trying to claim some victory over nothing. Extremely pretentious and douchy, your cringe AF.
@@danb239 Who hurt you, man? I’m not “cringe as fuck”, at all. I wasn’t arguing with you, and I wasn’t being a “douche”. You’re apparently either extremely sensitive or not particularly good at reading comprehension (or both).
If he's asking for 9, they would have settled at 8.5 already... he is asking north of 9.5 and has stated he wants to reset the goalie market, so an ask of 10 or 10.5+ would not be out of the question. But he is an RFA and the Bruins can just sit him for a year, then he's an RFA next year too -- and he could sit again for a year. Now it's two lost seasons of income and no NHL games for two years.
@@MartinSchedlbauer Fan-fiction. “If he was asking for $9M, they would have settled for $8.5M by now, so he must be asking for more!” You don’t know if any of what you just said is based in reality, or not. You’re speculating.
Great video. Love the deep dive. Would love a series about "Is it all defense or is your starter actually elite" for each team. I guess for the bad teams "is it your defense or does your starter just suck".
That woukd be a very interesting video. I also would love it if he could discuss, when a backup proves they can start.
Goalies are voodoo so it would be cool to have a metric to see how teams can justify trading their starter to run their backup as a atarter.
Good video idea
Montreal Canadiens in their last Cup final appearance versus the results the next season. Demonstrates that an elite goaltender makes a team better than it would otherwise be.
Or for the Jets, how many teams would have won the Cup by now with Helly as starter but Jets can’t win in playoffs
We'll take him here in Colorado - we'll throw in a new Subaru and a Whole Foods gift card, too.
Colorado is instantly the cup fav if they get Sway
We need a sold tendy, Its a blessing and a curse just relaying on outscoring the other team all the time. I want to live in the universe were the avs have these forwards, these D and a A+ goalie.
Hell yeah
@@chrisgoodings4450 Would need to give up a silly amount of value then go on to sign him for 9mil+ so probably not realistic lmao
@@st8rm_13 it actually wouldn't be that bad. If they offer sheeted him for 8-9M it would cost a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick. For an elite goalie, and with those picks probably being late round picks, I think that would be worth it for some playoff teams, especially if they have the cap. Where it gets expensive is if they need to dump cap. Then a trade might make more sense.
The quality of videos on this channel are consistently excellent, and keep getting better. Never change!!!
We don't really know if he's Rask 2.0. Seems to me that most goalies do really well in Boston, even ones that shouldn't.
Did you watch the video, or just comment without watching?
My question is that a development strength a scouting strength? Or both?
@@BahamutBreaker I’ve watched and read more that I probably needed to, not even being a Bruins fan. That said, it’s getting to the point where the bridge is on fire and everyone’s already crossed it.
100% agree
Tuukka Rask is just too good right now.
_Too late?_
Excellent video!!
I have grown tired of all the emotional drama from fans regarding this situation.
Your video sticks to facts, discusses nuance, and remains impartial, while still providing accurate and worthwhile information.
Great job, Hockey Psychology.
How about the fact he is a RFA so he signs a reasonable deal or he is out for the season.
@@bradleyroth9870I agree. However, how you define “reasonable” and how Swayman (and his agent) define “reasonable” might be different.
And only one of those definitions has any real-world impact.
Spoiler warning:
It’s not your definition.
@bradleyroth9870 then pay him 6 x 1 and watch him walk in free agency
@@MistaZULE It’s been reliably reported that neither side - Boston management or Swayman’s agent - is interested in a short-term contract extension.
@@MistaZULE Simple you don't sign him for 1 year
Korpisalo's junior team is Karhu Kissat in Helsinki and is part of the HIFK family - meaning they are part of their farm team group. The HIFK teams are well-known for outstanding goalie development. There are now at least 4 Finnish NHL current goalies who worked within that group of goalie coaches around Janne Laine.
This means Jonas has everything on the technical side to adjust and improve. I believe he is one of the most underrated goalies if he gets his mental side together. And especially with goalies - confidence goes a looooong way - see Ullmark...
Bruins also have arguably the best goalie coach in the league. I really hope we dont get rid of Sway tho
He had some great years in Columbus behind torts his numbers might not scream at you but so many nights he was there best player out there
@@jordantanner8as an oilers fan, Korpisalo single handedly won those Columba’s teams so many games against the oilers I couldn’t believe my eyes. Every time we played him he looked like the best goalie in the league
@@Stonehandsaroundthegreen completely agree I’m a leafs fan
Guy was keeping the bruins in games where they had 4 shots through two periods. He’s absolutely elite. It felt like at times we were swarming them and dude was just blanking everything we threw at him. Thankfully the Bruins just didn’t have the horses because if they did, he might have stolen that series against us. He’s a top 3 goaltender in my eyes.
Which goalie did not play like an elite hall of famer against the Panthers during the playoffs? Maybe lack of high % scoring chances by the Panthers is all it was?
@@joefleming3023 Skinner wasn’t that great against us and Vasy didn’t have that a great a series against us either. Swayman and Shesterkin were monsters however.
@@joefleming3023 what are you talking about? Florida played against Vasi and Igor and Swayman played just as good if not better. Skinner is not even in this conversation because that series was completely different.
"we" ?
Elite? If Tim Thomas and the soft sweed are not elite how is an unproven Goalie on a defensive minded team elite. wTF has he accomplished?
Quality and in-depth discussion on the topic. I like how you looked at the situation from both Bostons and the goalie perspective. Cant believe the last video you put out was just 3 days ago. Awesome stuff.
Keep producing great content man. Love watching it. You deserve everything you’re getting
Incredible video as always. I love that when I see a new video uploaded here, I can expect really compelling Hockey analysis while also continuing to teach me about the game (which I love having followed hockey my whole life, I always want to understand and get more.) Can't wait to watch your videos this season!
Im conflicted cause as a Sens fan, If they dont sign him they could fall out of a playoff spot and that makes room for my team to hopefully sneak in.. but on the other hand, i have Swayman in my keeper pool 😂
Fellow Sens fan wishing that they ship him in the West for sure, I love how Bruins fans who say he's not worth that money will be the first to say he's elite as soon as he signs lol.
Habs fan here, you guys gonna fall again this season with your team of losers . Been 7years chuk is captain and 7 years straight missing the playoffs.
The Sens have made it to the Stanley cup twice as many times as the dirtbag Habs have this century. The only losers are the Montreal
Tbf ottawa would of been a easy playoff team if they Har league average goal tender so I think they could make it in easily with ullmark
@@guillaumeinjjuz1744 montreal is laughable.... going to do worse than the sens once again....
Just want to let you know that I'm going to watch the NHL season for the first time in my life because of your videos. And I think I'm a hockey fan now... thanks!
If you look at Bob after he signed his contract in Florida after a Vezina campaign… people said “muh albatross contract” even though Robb Tallas is one of the best tendie coaches in the league. The panthers had 2 of the top 5 leaders in Turnovers on defense and Bob was hung out to dry heavy during the early part of the contract. Through Boughner, Q, and Bruno they were more focussed on an offensive style run & gun style and the defense wasn’t the focus which led to them struggling heavy. When PoMo came in with the defense first heavy forecheck system everything changed and Bob got back to form and finally getting his first cup.
I have not watched many games where Swayman plays, but the way you describe him reminds me a bit of Rask. Not flashy, but really really good basics.
How many cups did Rask win in net as a starter.
@@pnkflyd66Rask won as a backup in 2011. But Joe Thornton didn’t win a cup. Was he a bad player? Jerome Iginla?
@@erikmerced6329 Joe Thornton was severely overrated. how do you get stripped of the 'C' on TWO different teams??? guy was a bum, not a real leader, and that's why he never won a Cup
Another absolute gem of a video!
If you factor in 44 minimum games played last season, Swayman was truly amongst the elite. I can't see an additional 11 games tanking him, the playoffs showed he's more than capable of being a 55+ starter. Just give him 8x8.5 and call it a day, he's the only chance they have at getting the cup for the foreseeable future.
Thats the money hellebuck got with nowhere near the track record. And he's in a us market on a better team with much better defence.
Problem is that Swayman wants 8 years and much more than 8.5mil per year... Bruins don't have cap space and allocating 9+ million to a goalie who could get injured or his performance could go south could hamstring them for years. Paying any player whatever they want isn't an option in a cap world even when cap is projected to increase (but that isn't guaranteed and they need to pay a team in front of him too). Now, if Swayman wants to be paid his 9+ million, he may need to go to another team that has the cap space but then they won't have the same caliber team playing around him.
@jo5r8753 are you sure the bruins defense is "much" better than the Jets? And Helley signed that contract at like 30 years old. The Bruins want Swayman's prime years which cost more.
The cap is also going up. There are no comparables to Swayman's situation. The closest is Schneider after he was traded to the Devils.
If you're not a Bruin's fan, keep your nose out of it.
@jo5r8753 helly is also 31... sway is 25. Seriously 8.5x8 would be a massive steal. You're buying sway in his prime. Helly is old and will not be good by the end of that contact, he will be 38...
Ullmark is laughing his ass off. They could of just payed him and traded Swayman for some solid pieces
Won't laugh too much when the season starts
could *have
i would think he’d be more annoyed since he loved playing in boston
could have and paid ***
Ullmark is in Ottawa, that`s a place were goalies suffer.
Doubt he laughs.
To all Bruins fans:
You're too used to players taking a hometown discount like Marchand and Bergeron did. That's not how the NHL runs anymore and they're a thing of the past. You pay players based on what they will do, not what they've done. What's more is Swayman is already proven anyway, another 10 starts is not going to change his numbers.
If you want a goalie that averages .920 sv% in a league where scoring has gone up every year for a long time and looks like it's going to continue, YOU PAY FOR IT. Bruins fans who insist on lowballing Swayman are the most entitled, self-important fans in the entire league because you all think you should get elite NHL talent for well below market value. It's what you're used to.
Not Swayman's fault Sweeney screwed up your cap and prioritized signing big name UFAs like Lindholm and Zadorov before securing his #1 goalie. He gained all the leverage he needed when Sweeney pulled the trigger on that Ullmark trade. That's a massive blunder by your GM, so stop trying to put it on your all-star goalie for demanding what he's worth.
I’m a lifelong Bruins fan.
As much as I might hate to admit it, your comment is mostly accurate.
The “hometown discounts” incorporated into past contracts for Bergeron and Marchand are/were a luxury - not the norm.
Bruins fans, on the whole, are indeed acting like entitled spoiled brats over the last few weeks.
Goaltenders are often underpaid in the NHL, in a sport where all athletes are underpaid (relative to contracts in the NFL, NBA, MLB, and top Euro soccer).
Agreed to some extent but do you wanna win championships or not players get so greedy nowadays not that they’re not worth the money but when all is said and done does the player just want money or a ring/rings those other guys took discounts so Boston could try to build a contending team
I could go on about this topic but I’m not gonna get into it just giving my opinion on why players take discounts
@@BahamutBreaker Hometown discounts aren't discounts. Marchand signed his contract extension before the last year of what was his current contract. Meaning if HE GOT HURT in the last year of his deal, he would get paid his contract. So he gave up money for security. They are also perceived. What is another team willing to pay?
@@drabs6007 You are allowed to use punctuation.
@@drabs6007 There's no such thing. Players do not take discounts. Get your head back in 2024.
They signed Sway 🐻 Let's Gooooooo. Reading some of these comments now is so satisfying lmao
so i guess that lying POs was offered 64 mill after all...
Great video, your content is top shelf!
Leaf's would love a great goalie like that at 9 million...way more affordable than their top players.
Bruins have been so spoiled with cheap stars for too long.
As a lifelong Bruins fan, I actually agree with what you just wrote.
I would love to see him on the Leafs..
Marner for Swayman
Leaf's have had a goalie of Swayman's ilk since Belfour /Joseph or Potvin.
@@clayman4575impossible with your core 4 taking up all the Cap space.
As a Bruins fan, this pisses me off. If guys like Marner and Nylander get paid as much as get paid, why not pay our great goaltender more. Swayman deserves it
he has the same agent as Nylander so he'll get it all eventually!
Do you have a concussion? Because Nylander is def worth what he's getting paid. Bruins defense is the sole reason Sway is where he is today. Throw him on the leafs and you would realize he's just average.
@@imaginethat2879 I don’t think Nylander is worth $11.5 million per year. A # 3 (or 2 player on his team at times) is worth a huge contract, yet a # 1 goalie doesn’t deserve that much?
@@imaginethat2879You, like so many casual B’s fans, are overestimating the impact of Boston’s defense, at least as of 2024. If you look back at defensive metrics and compare 2022-23 versus 2023-24, you will (unfortunately) see how much impact Patrice Bergeron had on the Bruins’ defensive excellence. Now that we’re in a post-Bergeron era, goaltending skill is mattering much more, now, than us Bruins fans grew accustomed to during Bergeron’s long career.
@@imaginethat2879look what happened yesterday against the Kings without Swayman 😂😂
Well, this didn't age well.
Love how people were saying he should have waited a couple more days to sign. Imagine.
I’m confused I want to know what you mean by it didnt age well
Awesome video dude. Excellent analysis, as a former goalie and Bruins fan I appreciate seeing Swayman actually get some proper appreciation. He’s one of the best goalies in the league and unfortunately for the front office, he deserves every penny. Especially when you consider this is likely his main big contract based on how goalie primes usually work, so if he’s signing for 8 years he deserves proper compensation.
I love the people on Twitter calling him selfish and talking about taking team friendly deals. Like that's what they would do if they were in those shoes. They're not gonna sign if they think they're getting underpaid
A team friendly deal to be a cup contender sounds like a reasonable thing to me. I honestly think the Bruins will do okay without him not as good as they would with him but okay but tbh he’s not really worth what he’s asking for currently if he had more as a complete starter and same numbers I would say yes but as is 5-6mil for another 2-3 years then a big contract if he can keep up his play makes more sense if he wants massive money.
Edit: Hill brought Vegas a cup and got a contract of less then 5mil even after a really good performance in the playoffs team friendly is semi important when you wanna stay a contender
@@itzmrbeau6386 yeah. Like you'd work at your job if you got underpaid
And they will not pay him(and his agent)if THEY think it`s more than he is worth---It`s a TWOWAY street.
Some players take less when they are at the later end of their careers, IF…they played their whole careers there and want to finish there. otherwise, get paid for your value. Take it and run with it!
@@ToxicFrostbitecongrats on not knowing how hockey works. Are you under 12 or just stupid?
Great video as usual. I love this channel. But I have to be a semi kidding troll and say the usual “This aged well!” response.
Sweeney, Neely & Co. did everything; action wise, to show and prove to Swayman that they 100% believe in him. They traded Ullmark to get a 1st round pick knowing it’d be leverage against them. They tried to maintain weekly updates. They offered 63m over 8 years. There was no response and zero traction in negotiations. So Cam Neely got fed up with it all and said screw it, I’ll start a fire under their asses. Some bashed him. Some praised him.
Now Gross, Swayman’s agent, is saying that Neely’s comment pushed things along for both sides and actually got both side together to agree on a new deal.
Pay Goalies more money! Most underpaid positions in all professional sports. 🤬
Nahhh that nod goes to an NFL kicker. Underpaid and under appreciated.
Being a NHL goalie is more demanding than being a NFL kicker. They make about the same amount too. So yes NHL Goalies are the most underpaid position.
@@tombs3388 My argument more so is you can be mediocre in this league and still get a bag (Elvis) vs the average NFL kicker . Like you still have Tucker making bag , much like Price or Bob. And although the goalie position is much more athletic, the kicker is under the most pressure usually (like a last second field goal) . If you make it, good job, but you didn't do anything and if you miss it, it's 100000% their fault alone.
There's definitely a lack of super star goalies in the league. The superstars should be grabbing that bag plus more.
@@tombs3388 More times than not, kickers only get recognized if they can kick 60+ , which to me I'd equate to a shutout, a goalie can gaffe a shutout and still be seen as elite .
Love the video as a goalie I always thought that your analyzing skills could help give me some pointers I would love to see more stuff like this
I’m just getting into hockey… this is absolutely nuts! Not the fact that Swayman wants what he deserves, more importantly, what all the others in his position deserve. I’ve just never seen public contract negotiations be so crazy. Of course we see toxic post arbitration negotiations in the MLB all the time, but never on front street like this! Usually just he said, he said, stuff.
Swayman does not deserve a contact he approves of.
We’ve been lucky with elite goaltending in Boston for the past 20 years. Maybe it’s got something to do with the defensive system and goalie coach Bob Essensa.
It will be interesting to see if Bussi or Korpisalo are good enough without Swayman, it could work out for Bruins’ Management leverage. But if their GAA average is 3 without Swayman, Swayman is gonna end up getting way more than 8x8.
If Sway leaves and goes to a contender, he'll win a Cup in the next 5 years. He's asking for a lot, but he's already proven a lot. I say pay the man
Great video, keep them coming.
"Superstar" is a strong word.
Yeah, I don't think he qualifies for superstar status
I don't get the hype of this guy. He is an average goalie, at best. He's never played more then 45 games!! 45 games.....out of 82. He isn't even a real starter. Starters play in at least 60 games. Thats the whole point of having a number #1 starting goalie. Now his numbers aren't bad, but you are basing those numbers on a few factors. One, he knows they have a capable back up. He knows if things go bad or he isn't feeling it, he has an out. Splitting time vs being the number #1 is a huge difference. This whole "but hes in his prime or but hes an elite goalie" bullshit is wild. Buddy had played 3 years and never played more then half the games in a year. Thats not wins, thats starts.......Now you are going to add 20 games to that number, maybe more and expect the numbers to stay the same.....for 8 fucking years??? WILD..
He's lucky he even got offered 8m. Goalie is too high risk a position and if you creep into the 8 figures a year mark you start to run into big trouble when the goalie isn't as purchased. 2 years at 9m would be the absolute limit for someone like Swayman. If he thinks hes good enough then its a major steal for him. He gets to prove he can be a starter and after 2 years he can most likely have his pick of teams. He would be closer to 12-13-14m a year and it would be worth it. The cap increases and it makes so much more sense. But this attitude of "well the cap is going up so I want more money because I'm really good" is a joke. I hope he sits out all season and is carrying water bottles for a non playoff team by march......
@@coreytrevor3910only 7 goalies have played 60+ games in at least one of the past 2 seasons. And only 3 did it last year. If that’s your bar for being a “starter” you might want to widen your scope a little
@@habsfan4ever67 that's a poor argument cause you know what he's saying- that Sway isn't a proven starter or supetstar- but you're a habs fan so I get it
@@habsfan4ever67 The league has entered this "need two good goalies" era for a while now and it has its ups and downs. What I'm saying is you need a goalie that can play 60 first. Doesnt mean he HAS too, but if you start making goalies only play 50 games or 55 games then it stretches the position. Now you need a decent number 2. Now when the number 2 goes in, he needs to win games...it becomes this entirely different dynamic. I get its not the same game when goalies started 70/75 games but paying a #1 goalie 8 figures and then still needing a backup to pick up slack and pay him 3-4m is just not sustainable. Swayman just doesnt have the track record to demand the term. The money maybe you could make sense of, but not the term.
The arguments for or against Swayman sitting out for a bigger contract is right down the middle. It truly is a recipe for right down the middle.
Yes. But money and human egos together are oil and water.
@@rickandosca8262 that’s kinda my point.
@@forestg1743 I know.
@@rickandosca8262 oh
I'm a Habs fan and I'm so happy Boston fumbled this so bad lmao He deserves to get paid, cap goes up every season by a lot, no reason to pay him imo
Trying to track what you are saying... You say "he deserves to get paid...no reason to pay him." Are you saying the Bruins (or someone) should give him $64K, or are you saying they shouldn't?
@@VioletDeliriums saying Boston should stop treating their best goalie like trash and cough up the cash Swayman deserves.
like your management team the last 25 years?
@@tsaageotrimmhe's literally doubled his salary the last two seasons and scoffed at $7.8mil for 8yrs. The world needs to stop paying on potential.
Just signed him 😂🐻 this is so satisfying
Great in-depth look at this. Swayman is phenomenal and I don't think anyone can deny that but he has only played 132 games and never a full season always splitting it. I understand where he sees himself and his numbers do skew that direction but definitely I see where Boston is hesitant to drop the rumoured 10 on an unproven full year. That being said goalies also statistically do get underpaid comparative to other positions for equal stardom/skill. Considering they play the full 60 too. Curious to how this is going to go, I'd love to have them both in Ottawa but that's wishfully naive.
I think he’s worth the big bucks for his hugs alone
Same
that's a great estrogen-based argument lol.
unfortunately the bruins and the salary cap doesn't work that way. 🤷♂️
@@carpartheroJesus christ lol relax
What is wrong with you?@@carparthero
@@CryinShame Besides an aversion to estrogen? ;-)
Swayman went to high school in Colorado with me for a year. Would love to have him back!
Are you sure about that?
Didn’t Swayman attend high school in Anchorage, Alaska?
It's a tough situation. On one hand, Sway proved he was the best when it mattered most last year in the playoffs. The fact that they lost was NOT on him. On the other hand, as a team, you can't have 1 guy hamstring you when you clearly made your choice by trading Linus. I think of Mac in this situation. He is without a doubt 1 of only 2 players in the league that can do the things he does. He could have held out for some massive amount of money and made the rest of the team suffer in the very near future ( not be able to pay Mikko or Cale), but he also understands to win in thus league, you need several stars, and they all need to play at an elite level. As bad as I want to see him in goal in Boston, I think Cam should just kick the can down the street. Just trade him and get a MASSIVE haul for him. It seems when looking at this club, they have no problem simply creating another goalie. They have some serious talent that they will have to pay in the next couple of years and I just don't see the Cap moving in any huge way. Go get em Cam!
The issue is that Boston's window is pretty much now. Training a new goalie takes a lot of time. I don't know if many team would be willing to give all that much for a goaltender. They're always pretty low value.
@@elomellow1623 The only scenario I was able to come up with is if Utah wanted to make a splash, Swayman for Connor Ingram and picks. Ingram is probably good enough to man your net if it frees up $6m+ somewhere else. Boston could then flip the picks to a seller for a player.
I think this video played a part in the Bruins finalizing the deal with Swayman.
"This is Jeremy Swayman, he's the bruins superstar starting goalie." Factually no. He's never been a starter in his career. His numbers were virtually identical to Linus Ullmark the last three years who for some reason no one considers a superstar. So no. Let's stop that.
This is Jeremy Swayman the Bruins former tandem goalie who wants to be a superstar starter. Now that we are more on the right track we can continue.
This guy has never played 45 games in a season. He's never won a Vezina. He's never won a cup. He's never won a ConnSmythe. He's never won a gold medal. He was the second goalie on a Jennings trophy, and the second goalie on a presidents trophy winning team behind Ullmark.
This goalie has a contract offer that would make him the 5th highest paid goalie of all time. What has he done that warrants that? Ullmark makes 5. Ullmark has hardware behind his name.
This goalie wants to be the second highest paid active goalie in the league. He doesn't warrant being 5th he certainly doesn't warrant being 2nd.
The Bruins initial offer was 4 years at 6.25 as a show me contract. That was a super fair deal. McAvoy's show me contract was 4 something and he was already playing top dman minutes. Pasta's show me contract was 6 and he was already a top line winger.
Swayman is not a starter yet and he wants to be paid like the best couple of starts in the league. To me his comparables are guys like Demko, Oettinger, and Ullmark (especially given they literally played in front of the same team, for the same amount of games, and put up the same stats doing it) those guys all make 5 or less. Why does Swayman warrant 165% of that? Why did he think he is worth almost double?
I hope we get this settled. I like Swayman. Bruins will be screwed this year if they don't fill 4 positions
@@TAC617 It's done. It was done when you posted. Not sure what you mean by fill 4 positions.
Swayman is an elite goalie, your argument is that he hasn’t won anything and he hasn’t been a starter. He’s been in a tandem and taking on an extra 10-15 games won’t see him drop off a cliff. His skillset is of an elite caliber, everyone knows this, why would he want to be paid lesser than he’s worth. He is most definitely a superstar talent, Boston getting friendly contracts stopped after Pasta, the league isn’t like that anymore and that’s what you’re failing to process. There aren’t any team friendly contracts being signed now
@@peterangiolella2907 Okay so is Ullmark an elite goalie? Your answer has to be yes by the way. Because they've put up virtually the same numbers the last three years playing in front of the exact same team in almost the exact same number of games. Ullmark is making 5.
I already said the Pasta and McAvoy stuff. They both took bridge deal show me contracts. They earned the higher pay days. Swayman literally refused to do that. He got over 8. Did he deserve that? I don't think he did. But it is what it is.
@@exturkconner yes Ullmark is a top goalie in the league. It doesn’t matter now because he just signed 8.25 a year. He’s going to be worth it
5:04 “are they way out on the white ice” yeah and you best believe Pyotr is about to throw that nasty poke check
ANY other good team in the NHL will gladly take Swayman and pay him 8x8 . Love the video .
With Swayman being an RFA, I think that if a team really wanted him, they'd have done an offer sheet. I don't think that anyone wants to pay him that much, just because he's only played 132 games.
@@Ando2k10 I'm surprised he hasnt been offer sheeted. He seems like a prime candidate for me. At the same time though maybe teams are waiting for his ask to drop a bit or for things to sour more between him and Boston before making a move. Lots of options
@@Ando2k10you might want to look at the compensation for a contract that large before making such a ludicrous statement
@@hockey_highlights_and_more It'd be a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd, for the 8M AAV offer sheet...not all that much if anyone thought Swayman was as good as he thinks he is.
@@Ando2k10 that’s a lot for a goalie, but that helps Boston they easily match, try 12 million plus cause that’s what an offer sheet is going to look like
As a cats fan, I’m so glad we have Bill Zito. Our contracts have been so good even when I’ve doubted his choices.
As a Bruins fan, I’m a little jealous of Ottawa’s goaltending situation.
Please go become a Sens fan, then. Bruins fandom doesn’t need you.
@@BahamutBreaker not gonna happen bud. I won’t stop being a B’s fan, and I won’t stop telling jokes. Sounds like you need an intervention though. Not a good habit to be posting angry messages on random RUclips threads at 3.30am. I hope you pull through whatever you’re going through.
@@forestg1743Leafs fan here. I know I’m gonna start a fight with one of you… and it is 1230am now. This other bruins fan sounds like Islander fans reaction to Tavares leaving NY. They said “we don’t need you.” And quite possibly, it’s justified, after I read the details…. But I’m thinking some Bruins fans and Islanders fans both have hard feelings…. And you don’t live far away from each other….
That being said, I don’t like what I’m seeing here about Ullmark being traded away. I was jealous of ullmark and swayman hugging each other and I didn’t see that on My Team‼️I don’t think management knows what they’re doing. Some management on different sports teams, maybe from the bruins to the Leafs to the Blue jays in baseball, seem to Deliberately Be Throwing the game, just to Save Some Money‼️ And it pisses me off‼️ I say we stop going and watching, until management smartens up‼️…. Yeah, I know, it ain’t gonna happen 🤷♂️
As a Sens fan I won't get excited until he gets a new contract.
@@LivingNed well now I like the bruins situation better ☺️
Great video, the only thing that was not brought up about Korpisalo is that he has had issues in Columbus, LA, and Ottawa. So with Korpisalo it might not be be just his style or ability to play, there may be more to it.
He was fine in LA last year.
Bussi is the future not Korpisalo in net for Boston.
He’s gonna stay just wait a few days
Told u
Tom Brady, when he was offered a $10mil contract for 6 years was quoted as saying “If I can’t live off $60million dollars for the rest of my life, then there is a bigger problem.”
Swagman is obviously a great goaltender, but his sample size is very small, and he was a #2 for most of his career (so far). I would argue the best way to get out of this dilemma is to give him a 1 or 2 year deal, give him the lions share of starts, and have him prove his worth then.
There is exactly 0 incentive to Swayman to take a 1 or 2 year deal though. He wouldn't sign a contract with that term. It doesn't benefit him in any way.
And, Tom Brady is an anomaly for a number of reasons. He was married to a wife wealthier than him, he was already experiencing team success, and he was getting for more from sponsorships. It's sort of like Crosby: Crosby never needed to be the highest earning player in the league. He makes so much outside the game that his contract can afford to be worth less. Until Swayman is getting advertising deals like that, this is his primary source of income, and he shouldn't be taking discounts on it to be nice to a team that has shown they'll trade him the minute they think they can go with a cheaper option than him.
as a bruins fan, seeing how amazing swayman is makes me angry and sad he isn't signed yet.
Great commentary! I can't think of a time when I have ever sided with the organization instead of the player. In this case though, I do believe management does have a point here. Swayman has a very small sample size, he's never played a full season as the #1. Sure it's easy to say "I'm sure he can do it", but can he? Usually you need to prove it first to get the big long term contract. I don't like seeing people automatically throw Sweeney under the bus. If you step back and look at it, I do think management does have a point. You have a goaltender with only 132 games played asking for record breaking contract. Neither side can save face at this point. Swayman better really hope the B's lose a lot of games by a lot of goals before Dec 1st.
So to clarify, a superstar is someone who has never played a full season as a starter?
Oookkaayyyyy.
Superstar is a bit of a stretch, sample size is to small let's revisit this after a couple of hundred games
I really think this is all being blown out of proportion. Most of it by the fans and media.
Goaltending is one of the hardest positions for teams to give large contracts because we've seen so many young goaltenders have a spectacular rise and fall, sometimes in the same season. How many goaltenders have we seen sign big money contracts with long term, only for them to lose the starting job that very same season? That's why Marc-Andre Fleury was left exposed for the Vegas expansion draft, and the Pens paid Vegas with other draft picks, for them to take Fleury off the Pens hands.
swayman is looking for vasilevskiy money but unfortunately doesn't have enough of a body of work (games played over past several sessons) to justify getting paid such.
Swayman is an elite goalie. The Bruins org had a tandem of two elite goalies, gave Swayman limited games, and are now using that to try to justify underpaying him.
So you just...... Ignored his playoff stats?
I don't really care either way as I'm a Dallas fan but if I'm Boston I'm not budging the dude has not even been a starter for a whole season, why destroy your cap for that?
@@brucelee4357 It's a team sport. He was by far the Bruins' best player last playoffs. I would argue that he did, in fact, win the Leafs series for a middling Bruins team that had zero chance of winning the Cup regardless of the performance of a single player.
He didn't play a full season because he was the younger, less experienced goalie in a tandem with a Vezina-winning veteran goalie. On virtually any other team in the league he would have been a starter playing a full season.
A player of his caliber relative to his peers would get 8x8 in any position other than goalie. This is the argument that Swayman has publicly made; that the goalie salary market is out of whack and he's trying to take a stand to correct it not just for himself but for his peers as a comparable.
Some pretty shit (by NHL standards) defensemen are getting $4mil AAV these days.
@brucelee4357 so Ullmark Kuemper Matt Murray Binnington and Fleury are all currently better than Swayman ? Those are the only ones who have won cups and vezinas over the last decade who are still playing other than Vasy, Shesterkin, Bob and Hellebuyck
Boston's management really didn't think this through.
By trading Ullmark they basically told Swayman, his agent, and the league as a whole that Swayman is BETTER than a Vezina winning goalie... So yeah... They have no one to blame for this fiasco but themselves.
Nice analysis but it would have been helpful to hit on the cap space available. If Swayman gets the supposed 9.5 ask, it leaves the Bruins little to no room to acquire any possible help during the season . Puckpedia has the cap space at under 8 million with Korpisalo, Bussi and Patera now and capwages has it at ~8.6 with only Korpisalo and a slightly different lineup of skaters. They still have 1.33 million tied up for Mike Reilly.
Also the Bruins could have tied up Swayman for 2 years at the $3.4xx bc of the arbitration but did 1 so he could renegotiate. Swayman chose the arbitration, now his feelings are hurt from it.
This ^^^. It would leave them without cap room to the point where they wouldn't be able to call up players from Providence. Do they expect to win with fewer than 18 players on the ice?
No agent worth their money would accept that argument. The Bruins made moves to build a good team but didn't lock down their stsrter. They can't then complain that they have no cap space when they went out and got Limdholm ans Zadorov for big money in free agency.
You gotta pay your starter.
@@MistaZULE Or they should have locked him in for 2 years at the arbitration ruling he went with.
Cap space is a gm issue not a player issue.
@@0002EcM yeah, they simply played themselves into a corner and gave Sway all the power.
As a Bruins fan...they need to give him everything he wants
Fourpisalo living up to his name. Boston signs him or playoff hopes are dead
i don't think they'll miss a beat if he stays healthy
@@flyingiguana409 delulu
When is the next video getting released... i want to see the 1st week (Opening season) of the NHL 2024 - 2025 Season recapped
Sunday!
@@hockeypsychology Thanks :D, been enjoying the videos alot, hope you have a nice day n_n
What has Swayman done to merit superstar status? He's been very good, but he doesn't have a long history of greatness. For the last few years he has shared the net with Linus Ullmark. He became the 1A just last season, during the playoffs, where he was great. Put together 2 or 3 years of that kind of goaltending then you can call him a superstar. As far as him holding out, I'd say that the Bruins are making a huge mistake. Just pay the guy.
Really liked him in the FACEOFF: Inside the NHL. Hopefully both sides get what they want.
As a goalie myself as I too never understood why goalies always got the short stick in terms of pay. While l understand his logic, Swayman isn't worth what he's asking.
I think there is some math to support it. A dirt cheap goalie only lets in 25-30 more goals over 60 games than an elite one.
@@kurtwpg and that could result in 25 to 30 dropped points. Meaning no playoffs. Even if its only 15 lost points, that is still enough to drop the B's out of the playoffs this season
@@heathclark318 If you lose 30 points from 25 more goals when you've been given 6 million dollars to work with, then you're incompetent.
As much as I love sway in boston(in-fact he and Linus made me actually like Boston in the first place) if they won’t pay him I really hope he goes somewhere else that will value him more. Like Ottawa maybe….i can dream right?
Value him more? The Bruins' offer would make him the 6th highest paid goalie.
The problem is sway over values himself. He is hell bent on "resetting the market" that's selfish talk and he won't win a cup with that attitude
Bruins gets: C.Ritchie, S.Girard, Colorado 1st 2025 and A.Georgiev
Colorado gets: Swayman (8x9m deal)
Bruins gets: J.Gibson (1,4m retained), F.Vatrano and Ducks 2027 1st
Ducks gets: Swayman (signs 8x9m deal)
Bruins gets: J.Daccord, Y.Gourde, B.Tanev, Kraken 2024 2nd
Krakens gets: Swayman (signs 8x9m deal)
What trade do you like the most?
None of the above.
Hes good but benefited a lot from Boston's defensive system. Same with Ullmark.
It will be interesting to see what Ullmark does in Ottawa.
If you’ve never been a full time starter, I have bad news for you…you aren’t a superstar
So you can't sign him to a lowball 8 year contract because he wants to prove him self.
This isn't a good argument because all other goalies with his resume continue to be elite throughout their careers.
The only argument is that he was a backup behind an elite Ullmark. Well some teams reliably produce great goalies to replace elite older goalies. Luongo, Schneider and Markstrom, Demko and all 4 are elite.
Games played is a terrible argument because the guy is 25, goalies don't usually become starters around this age and the Bruins are making him a starter and so they have to pay him like one.
You get chariot and holl with husso. No take backs.
His output in the play-offs alone should tell you he’s ready and deserving of a large contract.
The fact he didn’t start doesn't amount to much. he was the younger half of an elite tandem with ullmark. Now that ullmark is gone and the expectation is that he’s going to be starting, why would he accept lowballs when the entire nhl is aware of his talent not just during the regular season, but where it matters the most: the play-offs.
@sn0ipe333 reminder, he is 1-2 in playoff series. A losing record and we should pay him 10 mil. Lol the next video is going to analyze you
@@fogie10 both series losses were literally to the panthers... who ended up in cup finals both times...
given the fact he even kept the bruins competitive against the panthers with how dominant they were in the postseason, as well as the fact the bruins have been stacking their roster with physically imposing guys to counter the panthers (zadorov, jones...), you would think that a goalie who has proven that he can bring it to game 6/7 should be valued off of more than just how many times he lost to the cup champs.
It’s okay, he’s signed
i’m a bruins fan. Swayman is not a superstar. Hes no unrestricted. He has no leverage.
i’d say he’s worth 7mill/year, maybe play well as a full time guy and push for the contract when he earns it. He has not earned it.
And swayman is acting like a baby
also swaymans agent is a known scumbag
His agent is an idiot, and it's really unfortunate for Sway
7 mill only?? Delusional
@@milan99cz Honestsly 7 mill is high. So they can just fuck their cap space up? for a young ok goalie. You’re nuts. They offered 7.8x8 that would be a gross over pay already. Him talking about fixing the market is the dumbest cope i’ve ever heard.
I agree dude
Awesome video with a great overview of the situation. But currently, don't the Bruins only have $8m in cap space? If Swayman wants 9+ he'll likely be skating elsewhere.
Great goalie, but I can't see spending over 8.5 on his talents, imo.
DUDE has never played 50 games a season.. hes not worth that headache
Then they shouldn't have given him all the leverage. Clearly they think he's #1
Sway says he wants to be a Bruin. A lot of other people may not like me for this, but I trust him that he wants to be a Bruin, so I have no doubt he will be signed in the coming weeks.
As of Sunday, October 6th, Swayman is signed.
Team can't score and think they're gonna get by without a superstar goalie... Dumb
No they don't you wombat. Sway is not even a superstar. It amazes me how stupid people are about this situation. Nobody outside of the Bruins fanbase understands any of this, yet they all think they know what's going on. So annoying.
$8.25 X 8, almost the biggest goalie fumble of all time...
Swayman is not worth that kind of money. They shouldn’t pay him that, but also the Bruins made their own bed and now need to sleep in it. I don’t know why they traded their goalie before they had their ducks in a row.
Yeah, it's definitely a partial failure by management that they didn't have a good read on Swayman's potential demands. Or maybe Swayman just played them, or straight out lied to them. Whatever happened, it's definitely a F up, going from having the best goalie tandem in the league to having to use a couple back-ups and AHL level net-minders
@@brucelee4357ur a silly goose
The Bruins didn't take the second year of arbitration and traded Ullmark (before his no-trade clause kicked in July 1) to make cap space, to show Swayman they want him as #1 goalie. They erred in thinking that Swayman would accept a fair and above comparables contract. They did not factor in that Swayman would ask for an outlandish contract they can't pay (nor shouldn't).
@MartinSchedlbauer how is it an outlandish contract? Then don't exoect him to sign for 8 years with a lowball offer.
If he wins a vezina with a lowball contract, it destroys the goalie market.
Do goalies deserve to be paid less than other positions because that's what this is about
A hard position to be in. Swayman isn’t UFA until 2026 and considering the history with the Bruins should not seek to remain there. Boston would be foolish to try to keep him long term at this point. This is a situation where there will be a winner and loser: not mutual agreement. Either way I believe a trade is what would be best for the team and the player. That will not be easy either, though.
Bruins are 100% to blame
Pay him 6x6 guaranteed, but increase his salary by an extra million for every year he performs above .920 and 50+ games. If he is as good as he is supposed to be, he walks away with a max 11mil/yr. salary and 51mil combined (8.5mil/avg. for the 6yrs). In 6 years 11mil will probably be the new norm for elite goalies. He still gets a minimum 36mil if he is just average. I think we need to put some pay by performance incentives into these things.
I want to give you some genuine praise for suggesting a logical solution to the Swayman negotiations.
However, unless I’m mistaken, such performance-incentive type contracts are restricted to only 35+ year-old veterans, according to the current agreement between the NHL and NHLPA. So, I don’t think your suggestion can actually translate to reality.
I need to research this, though, to be sure.
@@BahamutBreaker It was more of a hypothetical, what if? statement. But, I'm happy at least someone read and understood what I was saying. I do think incentive based contracts should be for everyone. I mean, that's how real life works. A company hires you at a starting pay and if you do a good job, you get a raise.
Come to the #EdmontonOilers Swayman, we will treat you right and you'll get a cup or 2 out of it 😉
Lmao 😂🐻✍️
he actually just got resigned a few hours ago. They'll be okay
Super star? He's hasn't played enough games to be called that. He was riding confidence with ullmark. Then he beat the leafs. Remember that zamboni driver? Then he lost to Florida.. guys tripping his own career up.
show me 2 seasons playing elite as the starter, then he can be a superstar!
100% agreed. People are flapping when really the Bruins are hesitant to overpay a guy who’s had 1 solid season with less than 50 starts.
no freaking way this deal was announced literally 20 mins before i clicked on this video
Swayman is a snowflake with a massive chip on his shoulder. He is more interested in setting the goalie market than winning this season. He is not worth the squeeze.
Soft opinion.
I’m not the biggest fan of sweeny right now but calling it the “spit up on yourself” podcast was hilarious.
So you're not a fan of Sweeney, are you fan of the GREED Swayman is showing? I mean I'm not normally a fan of Sweeney BUT on this one HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!! They've already proven to him he's their number one goalie by trading Linus. This kid DOESN'T deserve top 3 goalie money. He hasn't proven he can carry the team night in and night out like a true number one goalie does. Why should he be paid like it?
Bro thinks he’s the next Roy 😭😭😭
I just hope it doesn’t get situated one less team for the panthers to deal with to win another cup
Dude has less than 150 games played and never more than half a season played. And he wants top 5 money in NHL history for goalies. He's not worth that
When you lose him and don't get your playoff spot I hope you think back to this.
@@c0ldabyss The Bruins will make the playoffs without Swayman even if they didn't do anything else. But with an extra 8.8m in cap space free they can go get another C or LW to really push the skating core forward and I honestly don't know if that makes them better than Sway and their current skating group.
Comparing a long term contract today to a long term contract signed many years ago is difficult. The salary cap is going up and this is something to take into account. Draisaitl signed a "Best player in the NHL" contract even though he's not even the best player on his team. That doesn't necessarily mean he was overvalued in of itself, just that it's the price to pay to lock a superstar for a long term deal in 2024 as opposed to a few years ago.
With that said, i do believe a 8million a year for 8 years contract might be seen as a steal for a goalie like Swayman in a few years (assuming he lives up to his potential), he sure doesn't have a lot of games under his belt for a guy who seems convinced he knows his worth. He's a potential superstar imo, not a proven one.
@johngoodman5094 lol, good luck running two replacement level goalies. I mean that sincerely, your defense isn't good enough to keep a playoff caliber team with two average to sub par goalies.
The Bruins didn't disrespect Swayman. Sway took the Bruins to arbitration. It is no secret that ALL arbitrations, players hear things you don't want to hear. He clearly has a grudge now and took things personally when it was just business. The season is starting, the players and management want him on the ice, and he's willing to sit out and demand more money instead of do "everything" he can do to help the team. I get wanting to get paid, Swayman is thinking of his family and himself, but $7.8/8 million AAV is great for a goalie who's never played more than 44 games in a season and has had no deep playoff runs. Diehard Bruin fan but I'm with Neely and Sweeney on this one.
i don’t think enough people take into consideration bob essensas work. i don’t think there has been a longer tenured goalie coach in the league and for good reason, the only comparable to him is benoit allaire from the new york rangers as he developed lundqvist and shesterkin. i think he’s gonna iron out the flaws of korpisalos game and get him to his 19-20 season form. if the bruins have success from the start, they will start to gain leverage over swayman and i’m guessing he resigns sometime in november for ~7-7.5 million
i also think bostons defence is a lot more mobile than they’re given credit for, obviously being bigger and heavier makes them slower due to physics but a lot of them make up for it for being agile and having quick feet, especially mason lohrei. they’ll be fine against the rush if they don’t make stupid pinches
😂😂😂 good one
They signed him so let’s go!
He isn't a super star, he's never played above 45 games lmao
10 more games isn't a breakpoint on a goalie's performance.
Not sure I’ve seen anyone become regarded so highly so quickly for doing so little as Swayman. Be elite as a full time starter for a season first before pretending you’re a top 5 goalie in the league
Common sense
Exactly!!
Boston has acquired Sway 😊
Hellebuyck: multiple Vezinas
Swayman: no Vezinas
Hellebuyck: has to live in Winnipeg
Swayman: doesnt have to live in Winnipeg
Hellebuyck: 8.5m AAV
Swayman: (wants) 10m AAV
Hellebuyck underpaid imo. Elite forwards getting paid more and more and goalies not so much that was what Swaman is trying to change
Swayman hasn't proven he's at the elite status
@@hateEdge83 hence I brought up Hellebuyck for comparison
The Sway is signed!!
Sweeny and Neely should have been fired after the Mitchell Miller signing
Disagree, partially.
Sweeney is a solid GM.
Neely, on the other hand, is mostly a clown.
@@BahamutBreaker I don't know about Sweeney being solid, gave 29 year old Lindholm 7 x 7.75 million after a 44 point season, 5 million per year for Zadorov is an overpay. Seems like goaltending bailed them out last year. Bruins have had some good draft picks under him but also a lot of misses. McAvoy is his prize draft pack, Poitras looks good, Lysell might be a player, Letourneau was was a great pick I was a big fan of his. Drafted Swayman but if he loses him then it will negate that. Korpisalo was terrible for the Sens and was making some cash, I think that was a horrible move.
@@danb239 I didn’t say Sweeney is a genius or brilliant. I said he is a solid GM. You actually just listed off a bunch of his strengths and weaknesses, which makes my point for me. Thanks. He’s solid, or “average”, if you prefer that term.
@@BahamutBreaker I didn't list off a bunch of his strengths I said they have made some good draft picks while he was GM, that's it. It's pretty much just 1 good draft pick, McAvoy, and a few others with potential yet to pan out. He drafted Swayman but he handled that situation like an amateur. He gave away all his leverage then bitched about Swayman in the media to make things worse and on top of it lied about the amount of money he offered him. He is the laughingstock of the league and now Swayman is holding out and they only have Korpisalo who is shit, Ottawa just wanted him gone and only Sweeny was stupid enough to take him. Really didn't make your point for you as you didn't have much of a point. Really went out on a limb saying he is "solid", whatever TF that means. Lindholm contract is one of the worst in the league the day it was signed and will only get worse. Goaltending is the only reason Bruins were any good and he screwed that up royally. I wasn't arguing with you at all, so pathetic saying thanks like that trying to claim some victory over nothing. Extremely pretentious and douchy, your cringe AF.
@@danb239 Who hurt you, man?
I’m not “cringe as fuck”, at all. I wasn’t arguing with you, and I wasn’t being a “douche”.
You’re apparently either extremely sensitive or not particularly good at reading comprehension (or both).
$64 million for 8 years “ I’m fighting for my family here” 😂
Wow I wish players on my team could be labelled superstars after 1 full NHL season
Everyone rejoice, Sway's here!! 66M
He's a 25 year old tandem guy with less than a 150 games. I'd trade him and develop another goalie. No way this guy is worth $10-11M a season.
True.
There also aren’t any credible reports that suggest he’s seeking $10-11M AAV, so… your comment is kind of pointless.
If he's asking for 9, they would have settled at 8.5 already... he is asking north of 9.5 and has stated he wants to reset the goalie market, so an ask of 10 or 10.5+ would not be out of the question. But he is an RFA and the Bruins can just sit him for a year, then he's an RFA next year too -- and he could sit again for a year. Now it's two lost seasons of income and no NHL games for two years.
@@MartinSchedlbauer Fan-fiction. “If he was asking for $9M, they would have settled for $8.5M by now, so he must be asking for more!”
You don’t know if any of what you just said is based in reality, or not. You’re speculating.