Knuckle’s is finally getting the attention he deserves! He is getting his own live action series, Tails is even being rumored to be getting his own movie. Things seem to be heading to the positive side!
Honestly Knuckles is the one character besides maybe shadow who makes the most sense to have a super form. I mean he’s the literal guardian of the master emerald so a super form just makes so much sense
One of the most important takes that I’ve seen on the current Knuckles situation is that - [as cool as it is for him to be getting this new resurgence from Idris Elba and the movie] - It shouldn’t have taken Idris Elba and a movie for certain people to finally start respecting Knuckles again, or for the first time. You make excellent points about how the games like Sonic Forces have fumbled their chance to redeem Knuckles prior to 2022. Hopefully Sonic Team will one day get their act together with the red echidna.
It definitely shouldn’t take something like a movie or Idris Elba to make Knuckles get the recognition he deserves. But he’s been left to decay in a pit of crappiness for so long now that it didn’t seem like Sega would just do it themselves. Maybe now they’ll change their tune.
@@AceCardGaming We can only hope that they see how important treating Knuckles right really is... And if we want to really dream, maybe they might realise that it goes for all characters.
Idris Elba’s character of Knuckles can finally bring back Big Red to his roots. I can’t wait for this interpretation to bring him back as the OG Sonic rival as his design and character from Sonic 3 & Knuckles was my favourite interpretation of him in the series. He was and can still be hyped up to be a force to be reckoned with that can match Sonic. Let’s see if this hype is worth it in the movie. Can’t wait to see it tomorrow! 🔴 VS 🔵
I think something future games could do for Knuckles is making him the "lore guy". Like, when you need exposition regarding treasures, or an ancient civilization, just have Knuckles give insight. It's small, but it gives Knuckles a purpose and shows off his intelligence.
I love knuckles with all my heart I always saw myself in him a lot as a kid he was so quiet and and serious around new people but when you get to know him he’s so innocent and naive its exactly how I was as a kid and he taught me it’s always good to have at least a few friends and I cant wait to see him again in sonic 3
It makes me so happy to see Knuckles brought back into the spotlight. For years it has felt as though Sega have done all they can to discredit Knuckles. Now it's his turn to chuckle!
Just a bit of food for thought: Maybe Knuckles thought shattering the Master Emerald was the best solution in SA2 since in Sonic 3 (& Knuckles) he tried grabbing the Master Emerald when Eggman/Robotnik tried stealing and got electrocuted by him. Since he knew trying to grab it would be futile, the next best thing to ensure Eggman couldn't have the Master Emerald would be shattering it again. In essence learning from past mistakes so he didn't make them again.
@@AceCardGaming Not to mention it would give Rouge extra work to actually get the Master Emerald since at the time they were enemies so it'd be a win-win for Knuckles. Eggman won't get the Master Emerald, and this jewel thief that popped out of nowhere doesn't get it either.
The main issue for me is that it suddenly abandons the idea (or at least that Knuckles cares about it) that without the Master Emerald, Angel Island falls from the sky. Especially since it happened in SA1.
@@AceCardGaming I was just going off the assumption that by the time we catch up with Knuckles in SA2 by that point we weren't on Angel Island, since I was assuming if we were it would've had the same design it had in SA1.
First of all, thank you for this video. Knuckles is such an amazing character that Sega destroyed for slapstick. If he's dumb because Eggman tricked him, then everybody in Sonic's franchise is an idiot. I can't count how many times 300IQ Tails, protagonist Sonic, Amy, the Chaotix, Shadow, even Rouge have been tricked by Eggman (more than once). Second, If you think he's amazing in the games, you should of seen him in the Archie comics. He was considered a prodigy, but similar to the games, was abandoned and lived by himself for many years. He also became a demi-god three times and destroyed a whole dimension in his super form. Plus he had all these cool Chaos powers (in his base form) before the Super-Genesis Wave reboot the universe.
Knuckles is hands down my favorite Sonic character, and I agree with a lot of this analysis. So glad to see him return as the badass he always was in the movie The way they treated him in Boom was horrible, especially in the cartoon. I loved the idea of Sonic being the jokester in contrast to Knuckles' "I don't fuck around" personality, and Boom turned the tables between them there. That's not my main problem tho. The main problem is that they make him look so weak and incapable compared to Sonic in combat, when that's clearly a load of shit considering he's supposed to be the muscle of the group. There were so many episodes where I just cringed knowing Knuckles could easily solve the situation with his super strength but just didn't for whatever horseshit fucking reason, and they made it seem like Sonic was the only one capable of saving the day when that's obviously bullshit. How does Knuckles struggle with giant robots yet Sonic could easily handle them? I don't give a shit how much faster Sonic is. If Knuckles can land a hit, WHICH HE CAN, it should be free for him. And don't even get me started on the fact that Shadow managed to severely injure him yet Sonic could take hits from him just fine?????? And shit like this started to happen in the main series prior as well, like Knuckles getting his shit kicked in by fucking Amy in Generations???? I may be biased here, but as cool as it is to see Knuckles' synergy with Sonic and Tails, I kinda prefer him solo, as the hero of his own story, and him being forced onto Team Sonic in Heroes kinda mitigated his quest to guard the Master Emerald, and he felt like more of a side player to Sonic the whole game. I personally feel like he would've fit better as a leader for Team Chaotix instead, but I'm kinda nitpicking at this point
Really hoping the movie can do what we're all hoping and give Knuckles purpose again, and that hopefully Sonic Team pay attention! Undermining your own characters just makes people stop caring, and that's never a good thing. The popularity of the Sonic movies and the hype around them might just push Team Sonic in the right direction and use the movies to rebuild the characters that they broke. Loved the video and can't wait for more!
Thanks, glad you like the new intro! Hoping the winds of change might be blowing for Knuckles now with the second movie and we might see him return to his strengths again soon.
I tend to think Shadow The Hedgehog has a great plot-arc for Knuckles if you just apply "The Chaotix Test" to him. First appearance was investigating ancient ruins - probably provoked by some ancient lore. Second appearance was preventing Central City from being blown up - despite having idle dialogue in Glyphic Ruins about how he doesn't like leaving the Master Emerald unattended. Third appearance was him intending to tear the Black Comet apart by hand - because he wasn't going to let that go. Answering the moral call, before and above the call of mere duty.
I saw Knuckles in the film adaptation and now I will try to voice my opinion about him without spoilers. Your hopes will pay off with the red echidna, because the authors understood how to properly adapt the character in the movie. The key word is "adapt". That is, his character has undergone some changes. However, they look natural and do not stand out from his image, making Knuckles more striking and unique. But it probably won't be to everyone's liking. I really love this character and his image from the movie fascinated me. I especially like that he is shown to be very heavy in many ways. In commercials, he could shake the floor from landing. His punches are very strong and his voice is deep and his body is massive. I want to tell the author of the video that he did a good job in analyzing the character and his importance in the series. I wish you success and creativity!
Since you've watched the movie I will say this. I love the movie Knuckles and happy about it because he isn't tied to guarding master emerald. He has a future to develop into an even greater character with more stories. His solo series will probably show his life before he met Sonic and afterwards too with the movie tie ins. I'm so excited.
I'm so glad you put emphasis on him knocking sonic out of his super form & we all know how powerful SS is goes to show you how much of a force knuckles can be people looked over that for years until now.
I'm bad at explaining stuff but after watching this video, I have some thoughts to bring to the surface.👀 Knuckles has been my favorite character for only a few months now and with me only being a general Sonic fan since 2020, I wasn't there for any amazing parts in the franchise. I didn't get to play SA or SA2, I'm just hearing about it but still trying to get all the lore from different games into my head and chew on it. Back then, when I first was introduced to the franchise, Knuckles wasn't my main focus. That only happened later on and as I started to grow a liking on our echidna friend here, I began to realize just how terrible Knuckles has been treated for the past years, only being used as a joke or sidecharacter, never actually having his time to shine. Same goes for other characters too, but since this video is about Knuckles, I will stay on track and talk about him only. Knuckles is a character with a lot of potential. A strong and talented fighter, who knows a lot about the Emeralds and things general associated with treasure and others regarding his echidna culture. Now I fully agree with you here: Knuckles is BY NO MEANS dumb. He is a little naive, but that is understandable given his backstory of growing up mostly alone, having no other people to talk to or hang out with. It is said that Knuckles tries to believe in the good in everyone and wants to give them a second chance. But just because he thinks like that doesn't mean he is stupid. He realizes his mistakes and tries to make them good again. I think that is one adorable and great characterization of Knuckles, making him so likable to me. I truly adore this character and I am happy being a fan during the "Movie adaptions", since Knuckles really seems to be portrayed right in the movies. Now I really cannot say anything about that yet, as I will only watch the movie next week. Though from what I have seen so far, Knuckles seems to be the perfect mix of serious and funny, someone who is a dangerous fighter, but at the same time can be hilarious due to him not being very adept at social interactions. So yes, given that we are hopefully entering a good Sonic-character-portration-phase again, I am very curious as to where the movies will bring us and hope that SEGA will also improve on it again and give us other playable characters than just Sonic. It really gets boring in my opinion, but oh well. I've really been rambling for some time now, so I will cut myself off here, heh. Amazing character analysis, I had a lot of fun watching this video and see some parts I can only agree with. Knuckles deserves better indeed and I hope we are getting a reboot of his character. I have high hopes for the cinematic universe and that it will give us the right portrayal these characters definitely need. So, but now I will tap out for real! Whoever read this: Thank you and I hope I made sense! xD
With SEGA recently getting rid of the massive plot hole inducing two worlds retcon, hiring Ian and allowing Knuckles to have his own spin off show I do have hope they can turn this ship around. My favorite era of Knuckles of course is the IMO Golden Era of Sonic games (Sonic 1 to Heroes) and I do think he deserves to be just as prominent as Shadow, even if he can't be the main rival anymore. Seriously you could focus on his ancestors lore, his connections with the super natural elements of the Sonic franchise or heck use his status as guardian to spin off to his own thing and bring Fang, Mighty and Ray to the Modern era. Say what you will of Archie pre and post reboot but both Ken and Ian never lost sight on how important Knuckles is to the Sonic franchise. On a side note while I do think your videos are great, I think you are unnecessarily holding yourself back by only talking about the main titles for your character videos. Sonic Battle for instance is a gold mine for good character writing with interesting concepts for both Knuckles and Shadow.
Thanks for the feedback. I’ll have to reacquaint myself with Battle tbh. It’s been too long since I played it and that was only the once. Maybe a video or two in there somewhere 🙂
Does knuckle's chaotix count ? Granted it featured on the ring tethering ability, being a spinoff game and features vector,espio,mighty and charmy. But knuckles does star in it
Knuckles might've gone downhill in the modern games ever since 06, but it's so refreshing to see the red echidna back in his original roots and being badass again in Sonic Movie 2. And I can't wait to learn even more about him in his spin-off show some time next year.🥊
Honestly I love series with large casts and I love all Sonic’s friends and allies. Tails,Knuckles,Shaodow,Amy,Rouge,Omega,Big,Cream,Vector,Espio,Charmy,Silver.
I think with Ian Flynn writing for Sonic Frontiers, I think Knuckles would probably get the limelight again, since the story probably will talk about the origins of the Chaos Emeralds and the Master Emerald too
I want to see him playable again in a future game, perhaps with a retroactive explanation as to his time spent away from the Master Emerald being more clear. I sort of wonder if he could have taken Classic’s place in Forces. Apparently, there were plans for him to be playable in Unleashed, but the Werehog took his place. Might be misremembering that though
I have more hope for future games with the Movies showing how much their characters are loved as well as Ian Flyn moving from writing the comics to writing for some of the games. Plus he even did writing for the Sonic Boom TV show as well. So I got hope for the series’ future.
A video about "Sonic's Stupid Friends" perfectly states why we need Sonic's friends to be more involved in the games, Sonic is a Flat Character. A flat character does not change, the flat character will remain the same as he started, Sonic does not change but he changes the characters around him. I remember seeing this in the Adventures and Rush, In SA1 he influences Tails to become his own hero and for knuckles to open up a bit. In SA2 he influence a competitive streak in Shadow at the end of the game. In Rush Cream chips away at Blaze's her lone wolf lifestyle, and Sonic proceeds to smash it with a hammer. The reason the games have been so....empty lately is that it is completely on the fact it is centered around a Flat Character. Not to say that centering around a flat character is bad, Sonic is a great flat character, but a flat character needs to be surrounded by dynamic characters that are shown to be influenced by said flat character..
Writing a good story centring around a flat character and very little else, is quite difficult to do. Seemingly far beyond the capabilities of Pontac and Graff. Who I feel, never really understood or cared about where these characters came from before they were even on the scene. But with a change in the writing staff, who knows what we can expect. I just can’t believe it could be somehow worse than what we’ve gotten for the past 10 years.
I mean does he really change characters around him? I mean he helped knuckles but knuckles still really has problems with him, Shadow respect Sonic but that doesn't mean they really likes him, and the rest don't even really talk to Sonic that much the only one I think he changed around and was tails but he didn't really change that much of the Sonic characters.
My favourite sonic characters 1.sonic 2.shadow 3.knuckles 4.espio 5.silver 6.rouge 7. E123 omega 8. Metal sonic 9. Vector 10. Dr Robotnic / Dr Eggman But knuckles has always been one of my absolute favourites I also really like Metal madness And I can’t remember the others names
23:38 you talk about how Knuckles is now a character that punches first and thinks second. But honestly, isn't that how he's introduced in both Sonic 3 and Sonic Adventure? I remember both of those first encounters with him being very antagonistic because he didn't give Sonic and Tails enough time to explain. I see Knuckles as someone who covets and seeks out peace and tranquility but who's biggest personal flaw is that he always lets his emotions get the better of him, so I like that aspect of his character. You might think that's him being dumb, but I find it almost emotionally tragic. Really makes me feel for him. And I think the reason that he's "dumb" in a more goofy way nowadays is because he warmed up to being around friends now. He didn't let his silly side come out in the earlier games because he hadn't learned how to have friends and open up yet. I do think though that the games need to strike a better balance and remember that he's still allowed to be cool. I might sound like I completely disagreed with your whole video but that's not the case!
I agree, knuckles definitely wears his heart on his sleeves and is very much an emotional person when it comes to his actions. But I attempted to explain (maybe badly) the reasons why I could excuse his rash decision making back in classic and adventure. He didn’t actually trust anyone yet and made really bad decisions based on the information he had. But the fact that he has gone through a developmental journey with these characters by the time 06 rolled around, and was somehow back to being a brash idiot and STILL punching first and thinking second was imo regression. Knuckles also showed how smart and resourceful he was in the early days. Catching Sonic off guard constantly and relentlessly tracking down the master emerald pieces twice. Using his powers as guardian to neutralise the Chaos Emeralds. But we don’t see any of that stuff anymore. He’s very much a one sided coin. Just my own views though, definitely not stating them as fact. 🙂
@@AceCardGaming Yeah I think that's what falls flat for me about modern Knuckles is how we're ONLY shown his "dumb" side. He's not very emotionally aware and doesn't have a lot of tact, and I think the writers have focused way too hard on that aspect of his character. He's ALSO supposed to be smart in other more practical ways, like you said hes very resourceful. That balance in his character I feel like got lost somewhere along the way.
Knuckles is definitely not an idiot. Heck in the OVA he’s shown to be able to repair the tornado and in season 3 of sonic X he’s the main person to repair and maintain the blue typhoon besides Tails. So yeah he’s definitely not dumb
Thanks! I used to think it was a necklace as a kid too! Fairly sure in one of the extended media (could have even been STC) it actually was a necklace.
I’d definitely like to see more stories focusing on just Knuckles and Tails. It would likely help both characters grow and their dynamic would be insanely funny!
Sonic Heroes I think is pretty cool as a game, but it's at a really unfortunate spot in the timeline, being where Shadow is REVIVED as well as many other important things, but it was a game where the story was made SECOND. So having a bunch of important things decided for the story in that game was... weird.
wake up y'all new intro just dropped! Love knuckles he is one of my favorites! I used to play the stories in sonic adventure JUST to get to the flashbacks because I loved the lore as a kid. Also having the stage themes in Adventure 2 (for shadow and knuckles) be a window into their thoughts was interesting.
As excited as the 2nd movie cliffhanger gets me, it also pisses me off for skipping over Metal Sonic's introduction and over the Chaos and Tikal ark. Given that the whole wiping off the echidna clan happened centuries ago, they could easily integrate that part of the story without interfering too much with the pre-established lore of the movies. And it would actually make sense for the echidnas to have survived as a small village to give birth to Knuckles, rather than have them dissappear eons ago and have Knuckles be born from thin air, like in the games. The breaking of the master emerald in the second movie would also set the stage for Chaos and Tikal breaking free.
I guess you CAN cut knuckles some slack in sonic boom, as it was a universe where the master emerald and chaos emeralds don’t exist. But it still doesn’t excuse the fact about how dumb they make him nowadays.
Sonic X isn't part of the main game series or anything, but it's PRETTY GREAT ACTUALLY. We get to see the characters with their Adventure personalities actually talking with each other, and stuff we didn't get to see much of (like Rouge and Knuckles) is very frequently brought up in that show. It's something I think more people should talk about- though maybe not when discussing the main games, but just in general when people talk about missing the Adventure Era and wishing there was more of it.
Knuckles was my second favorite Sonic character, however if I am to be honest upon further realization I dislike the whole cast on the 2010's era, as not only did they lack character, but regressed or changed too much that they lacked or had ideas with them they could've explored taken away. And I feel Knuckles was the worst offender on all accounts, they've done him dirty since 2005's Sonic Rush honestly. Don't get me wrong, when the 4kids era could get the characters right they were on point, but they were so inconsistent in that regard and Knuckles always seemed to be the weakest link, as in the only thing made consistent about him was the fact he was getting tricked or treated as an idiot. While his relevance to the story is very subdued, I liked the fact Knuckles in Adventure 2 was just this chilled laid back guy doing his duty to get the master emerald back. Sure Knuckles may not have done the best job keeping it around, but what I like d about the Adventure games was that he was shown to take responsibility on his own to defend or get it back. I do like the hotheadedness that came later, to expand his character, but I dislike how his chill disposition just vanished. Like one of my favorite moments was seeing Knuckles from the sewer in SA2 saying "hey guys long time no see".. Which also leads me to this, I dislike how dumb they made him. In Sonic Boom its fine because it's a separate continuity (people need to stop merging and comparing the characters as if Boom defines particular attributes of them) but in later games its just character damaging. I always saw Knuckles being tricked in older games as a way to showcase someone who's lived a sheltered life or lifestyle away from people. As Knuckles was shown to have street smarts, like knowing about powers of not just the master emerald and the ability to communicate and understand ancient languages, but the chaos emerald and was a skilled treasure hunter, but his lack of interactions with people caused his judgement on people to be shortsighded, and that isn't due to a lack of intelligence, but rather since not interacting with people very much doesn't grasp the idea of communication, which is normal for someone not use to people in their life since he's had to live his life guarding that emerald. I was even fine with Knuckles taking a break from guarding in games like Heroes and Advance trilogy because it felt more like a progression of his character becoming more accepting around having people in his life and enjoying the adventure, after all if the emerald is out of harms way there's no issue with going out a time or two. (Plus master emerald was in the plot of Advance 3) it really sucks that the last time the Master emerald had plot relevance in Sonic Rivals 2 it was to compliment an ending where the punchline was Knuckles being too stupid to know his emerald was in a device, even though he has a special connection to the emerald and could sense its power.
Knuckles is arguably my favorite character from the Sonic games! Seeing his attitude in Heroes was enough to have him earn that. If the first movie gave Sonic more depth as a character, I’m certain Knuckles has a bright future for the second movie!
I have to be honest, I don't remember Knuckles being that popular back in the day. Don't get me wrong, I was a massive fan of Knuckles, and I remember the hype surrounding him through the marketing, but nobody I knew seemed to give a damn about him! It felt like everyone I knew never played Sonic 3 or Sonic & Knuckles. I even remember telling a friend of mine that you could connect S&K to Sonic 2 or Sonic 3 and play as Knuckles in those games, and I vividly remember his reaction. He just shrugged his shoulders and said "So?" It actually made me feel bad that I liked this character. It was like the "Sonic's stupid friends" attitude existed even back then! I'm glad that videos like this prove that there are others who want to see characters like Knuckles and others getting better treatment. Thanks for another great video, Ace! Looking forward to more!
That’s really terrible luck you didn’t know people who appreciated him or the magic of lock on technology! Huge hype for him among my circle of friends. At least you carried the torch for him though, and stuck with him.
@@AceCardGaming It's just irritating that back then kids just weren't willing to give characters like him a chance. "Why would I wanna play as that lame-o Knuckles when I've got cool, awesome Sonic right here? He's A BAZILLION times better than stinky Knuckles!" This truly was the start of the stupid friends trend, and it just sadly never went away! And still to this day I don't understand this thought process. People complain about Sonic's friends, and Sega drops them like a hot plate, and bends over backwards to make them look worse than they ever were to begin with in order to make Sonic and whatever one-time sidekick he had for one game look better! And yet Fans clamour for their return as well written, well utilised and well respected characters again, and Sega looks the other way! "Well, we want to get Sonic right first! So you can either like it or lump it!" Why do such negative attitudes towards this series ultimately trump more positive ones?
@@bowmaj8666 The people who complain the most are always the loudest. The people who hated the characters are just louder than the ones who like them unfortunately
Me too knuckles been my favorite for a long time he deserves his respect and hugs and cuddle he is awesome and badass And it is not his fault be ben trick by Eggman since he been on angel island for a long time with nobody else no friends and just guard the master emerald or anything I wish poeple can stop Criticize call him stupid and dumb he isn't any of that he is smart as well And beside it is the writers who made him dumb in the 1st place they should made his characteristics better but no I am happy he get his respect and redemption and I happy they are still knuckles fans out they the love the red echidna that we know and love Also I wish more people can do store's knuckles and do more ships for knuckles and maybe a knuckles harem store's too
Don’t forget Knuckles’ _”Operation Big Wave”_ that got hundreds of soldiers injured or killed…mostly killed. It was a dumb plan and the game had no remorse in showing that it was a dumb plan.
Welcome back dude, hope you're keeping well! As Characters In-Depth said about him in the Meta Era, along with other two characters of Team Sonic became more like Team Babylon who were originally like dark reflections of themselves. Sonic: took notes from Jet and became a hell of a lot more arrogant. Tails: became conceited like Wave and patronizes other tech geniuses. Knuckles: lowered to bumbling comic relief which continued what Storm started with, but multiped greatly. Boom Knuckles is an exaggeration of that. He has Storm's build, but he's a total dumbass! I despise Boom Knuckles and is one of the key reasons why outside a few episodes I have a strong dislike for Boom. Let's make him a bumbling fool because its "funny"! (its not funny) Here's hoping that with the movie giving the character back some much needed credibility and self respect it rubs off on the game version of him. Also Forces could have been so much more if Knuckles, and everyone else wasn't sidelined for a couple of mutes with barely enough personality between to fill a sandwich, one of which - the bad tribute act - having even less of a reason in being there. Here's hoping he's playable in Frontiers and not replaced by a Wisp again, because who needs Sonic's friends when you can take their functions and have Sonic use them instead? But seriously though, we want characters who could expand the story, not brightly coloured functions that add nothing but slow you down everytime you need to use them.
Thanks! Hope you’re well too my friend!That’s an interesting point about Team Babylon actually. Like you I’m hoping the movie will change things for him. People want it so why Sega continue to resist it will always confuse me.
@@AceCardGaming I do wonder if with the movie that they borrowed a page from the Sonic And Tails R book for writing Knuckles when it comes to looking at the Meta Era, by giving it the widest berth you possibly can. Those were truly words to live and die by from Emi Jones, when she said about avoiding all of it.
One sonic and tails aren’t any way similar to jet or wave like at all. Sonic is the same just more flandorized. Two I don’t think character in depth is a good source for anything, the guy is the sonic fan equivalent to hitop films.
@@aidanshowers8366 how are they not? Sonic's arrogance is completely out of control, even going as far to grind his friends into the dirt with trash talking in the Meta Era games, as seen with his interaction with Silver in Team Sonic Racing, the same way Jet would to Sonic. As for for Wave, she talks down Tails' Extreme Gear creations, calling them amateur as she acts as if she is the superior genius. While in Lost World Tails is constantly constantly talking down Eggman's robots while acting as if he is the superior genius. I'd say he's actually quite on the money, save for the Japanese scripts where they actually written to be more in character compared to the English script. Team Sonic Racing ENG Sonic: Hey, Silver, you look a little down. Thinking about how badly I'm gonna beat you in the next race? Silver: What? Oh, no, I'm thinking about something else. Sonic: Come on man, get your head in the game. I'm totally going to make you look silly out there. You want to win, right? Silver: Right, yeah, okay. Winning. You ever have one of those feelings? Like... like... Sonic: Like you're about to get your car fed to you by a blue hedgehog? No, never. Silver: I'm not hungry, but thanks. Sonic: Wow dude, you take all the fun out of trash talking. JPN Sonic: Hey, Silver. Your face looks grimmer than ever. What's up? Are you worried that you can't beat me? Silver: Huh? Ah, no, that's not it... There's just something on my mind... Sonic: What's that? Is it about Dodonpa and Eggman? But worrying isn't gonna help things much, you know? Besides, we haven't seen each other in a while! Let's just enjoy the race for now. Silver: I do worry about Dodonpa and Eggman... but there's a few other things on my mind... not sure how to put it... Tell me, Sonic. Don't you feel anxious? I mean, uh... Sonic: You mean something like concern for my friend I haven't met in a while ending up a lap behind? Silver: No... I really shouldn't have asked! Sonic: Oh, come on... that was just a joke... And hey, there are so many members present! No matter what happens, we'll work something out! ENG Sonic: an arrogant bully who doesn't know when to shut up and is oblivious to how his friend is feeling JPN Sonic: is a little cocky, but knows when to draw the line and assure his friend things will be ok when seeing their troubled.
@@DemonDethchase Sonic’s interaction with silver is simply competitive banter, Sonics has always been somewhat mean to his friends on some level. In the adventure games he calls knuckles knuckle head in the OVA he yells at tails to shut up. As for tails him criticizing robotnik’s machines is fair seeing as how they are almost always easily dismantled. Not to mention in the full context of the scene wave actually respects tails’ work and is actually intimidated by it.
I agree with most of your points about Knuckles in Sonic 06, but I'm not sure about the part with Rouge. The scene was the general teasing they normally have, and they didn't really have enough screentime (just a line or two at each other) for us to really see them bounce off each other and prove it "devolved into animosity".
My boy AceCardGaming has returned! And with another good video on Knuckles the Elba to boot. With the movie out soon (out now for many people), we'll soon find out whether Paramount have written Knuckles to be closer to how we'd like him to be or not. I look forward to your thoughts on that. With the way things have been looking since Forces (Colours: Ultimate notwithstanding), it is looking more and more like things have massive potential for change very soon. Everything outside of the games has really been kicking off and going swimmingly, and with SEGA showing that they are seeing the success of the supporting media, it is highly likely that they are finally taking notes. Your old intro shall be sorely missed, but ynew intro is very cool. I like it. I hope this video does excellently and I am very excited for more! (I didn't get notified of this upload, so I guess I have to Shovel Claw that bell more than once). Enjoy Sonic Movie 2 when you finally get to see it! I'm looking forward to all of the discussion after I see it myself.
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it. RUclips is a funny creature when it comes to notifications, always frustrating to hear people aren’t notified when they specifically select it. How’s a guy to win eh? 😅 I’m literally getting ready to go see the movie now, so I’ll be finding out whether my thoughts are on the money or not very soon! Looking forward to discussing it.
While knuckles hasn’t been treated the best if I’m being honest X is imo the worst because they give you a good knuckles but the he’s a bumbling oaf that trusts eggman whenever he appears to be in a sticky situation. And in SA2 breaking the master emerald, look I know he can collect the pieces but he ultimately made it easier for rouge to get some of the pieces and this is literally equivalent of being a security guard at a museum and breaking a priceless artifact so the thief doesn’t steal it. I’d rather have boom knuckles honestly at least it’s not trying to be two things at ounce and knows what this version of the character is and imo isn’t offensive since it’s a different universe.
I'm glad they put Knuckles important again and seeing strong and powerful but I want him to be friends with Sonic and Tails even though he in serious but show friendly to his friends.
I loved adventure knuckles but had no idea how much more was about him in sonic 3 and knuckles only played mushroom hill with him I wasn't very good lol
I'd credit Frontiers and Ian Flynn's comics with giving a Knuckles a chance before the movies did, since they came out before Movie 2 and didn't give him a new personality in the process. That said, it took way too long for Knuckles to be taken seriously again and I'm over the moon about what Frontiers did with him and am glad that the movies aren't ashamed of their CG characters the way they were in the first movie. I hope Knuckles' fortunes continue to improve.
@@AceCardGaming Me too knuckles been my favorite for a long time he deserves his respect and hugs and cuddle he is awesome and badass And it is not his fault be ben trick by Eggman since he been on angel island for a long time with nobody else no friends and just guard the master emerald or anything I wish poeple can stop Criticize call him stupid and dumb he isn't any of that he is smart as well And beside it is the writers who made him dumb in the 1st place they should made his characteristics better but no I am happy he get his respect and redemption and I happy they are still knuckles fans out they the love the red echidna that we know and love Also I wish more people can do story's of knuckles and do more ships for knuckles and maybe a knuckles harem store's too
It kinda sucks for Knux because who he is in Boom and who he's meant to be are SO different that a new fan would have whiplash from seeing them side by side. It also sucks because I appreciate both versions of Knux in their own ways but it would've been more beneficial for Boom Knux to be a different character entirely, one not associated with Knux whatsoever. The irony is that the real Knux would be out of place in a show like Boom... It's such a shame they soiled his reputation. Also, I always liked the card toss in 06 and never equated it to stupidity 😅
Sega or/and Sonic Team should just grow a pair of blue balls and just utilize Somic's friends properly again. Ignore the dumb dumbs who think Sonic should not have friends. How would THEY like it if THEY don't have any friends? How would they like if Mario doesn't have friends? Just spitting obvious things here. 🤷🏽♂️
Knuckles has always been my favourite character, but I always hated the idea that he is stupid, rather than the awesome, yet socialy naive guy he used to be
Super Knuckles absolutely SHOULD be canon, jeez why did they retcon that? The more I learn about Sonic multiverse and character lore the more I feel Sega is just taking concepts, adding Sonic alongside and throwing them into the fan base to do what they want with it
Idc what the officials say, I hope in Knuckles' spin off they'll include Chaos Knuckles at LEAST once just to stay tru. It probably won't happen but we've seen movie runners change Marvel characters, why not?
23:00 In episode 73 of Sonic X Knuckles blocks Shadows spindash... Then proceeds to Throw him through a wall.. Come on you cant tell me this isnt peak Knuckles
I respect the decision if this is an intentional omission, but I think I understand the reason why Knuckles specifically has gotten such a rough treatment... and it's got nothing to do with the games themselves. You see, Knuckles has been the target of massive lore expansion before... in another adaptation, long ago. In case the HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS, of videos regarding his actions haven't flown your way: Ken Penders was brought on to write for the Archie Comics adaptation of Sonic back in the day... and for what it's worth, his constant lore expansions, for better or worse, gave Ian Flynn -- a name almost synonymous with "good Sonic writing" at this point -- a lot of things to work with after he succeeded Penders; not to mention succeeding where most argue Penders failed. After Penders was dismissed, it pained him to see Flynn do so well with the characters he created. So what did he do? He SUED Archie and SEGA, and somehow won the rights to his 200+ original characters because neither company could produce proof he worked under them; this despite the licensed property precedent of your intellectual properties (characters, settings, plot devices, etc.) being owned by the company who created the licensed content. But that wouldn't be the only time he sued SEGA over this... Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood released to mixed reviews. Its writing was critically acclaimed, as were all Bioware games... but ironically, its audio is undeniably the worst in the series. That aside, it introduced a new group of echidnas... technophiles that were banished to a different plane of existence from Knuckles' main tribe, that finally resurfaced for revenge. And unfortunately for the team behind it... this was entirely too similar to a group of echidnas created by Penders for him to believe it was a coincidence; especially when the very same Archie comic that he created them in, promoted the characters from this new game. So naturally, he sued again. As a result of this lawsuit, the characters introduced were immediately retired, never to be mentioned again; and strict character mandates were put in place, as confirmed by modern licensors of SEGA content -- especially ones like the IDW comics that are not overt spin-offs that take place in their own distinct continuity, like Sonic Boom or Paramount's cinematic universe. Whether these mandates were introduced by court order, or by SEGA themselves to prevent further incidents from Penders or writers that could turn out like him, is unclear; but what IS clear is whose egotistical actions are responsible for the uphill climb of writing for Knuckles, especially in the game canon. I am honestly not sure if I have a stronger hope to see Penders admit he wouldn't win a legal dispute with Paramount... or watch his ego take them on only for Paramount blow him out of the water, like he has LONG DESERVED.
having the luck of living in Europe i could see sonic movie 2 (i won't spoil anything don't worry) it was worth the wait and for those who were worried about knuckles, his portrayal is on par with sonic 3 and adventure sceries to me he was close to perfectly portrayed serioulsy go see it it is worth it !
How do you forget Knuckles role in Sonic Chronicles? I know it was made permanently non-canon because of Ken Penders, although really it was the 1 of the last games to get everyone right it felt like. I remember Knuckles & Shade leading a team in Chapter 10 & taking on Ix while Sonic watched from above after Knuckles remembered his role as guardian of the Master Emerald.
Knuckle’s is finally getting the attention he deserves! He is getting his own live action series, Tails is even being rumored to be getting his own movie. Things seem to be heading to the positive side!
Didn’t hear that about Tails. That would be awesome!
What’s cool about that post is that he is the one who predicted the Knuckles Live action show.
The link doesn’t want to stay so I’ll just say this rumor started by Giant Freaking Robot.
It’s in a lot of articles sense then
@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL Remember it’s just a rumor
Honestly Knuckles is the one character besides maybe shadow who makes the most sense to have a super form. I mean he’s the literal guardian of the master emerald so a super form just makes so much sense
One of the most important takes that I’ve seen on the current Knuckles situation is that - [as cool as it is for him to be getting this new resurgence from Idris Elba and the movie] - It shouldn’t have taken Idris Elba and a movie for certain people to finally start respecting Knuckles again, or for the first time.
You make excellent points about how the games like Sonic Forces have fumbled their chance to redeem Knuckles prior to 2022. Hopefully Sonic Team will one day get their act together with the red echidna.
It definitely shouldn’t take something like a movie or Idris Elba to make Knuckles get the recognition he deserves. But he’s been left to decay in a pit of crappiness for so long now that it didn’t seem like Sega would just do it themselves. Maybe now they’ll change their tune.
@@AceCardGaming We can only hope that they see how important treating Knuckles right really is... And if we want to really dream, maybe they might realise that it goes for all characters.
I kinda miss the relationship Knuckles had with Rouge. It always gets a laugh out of me.
Idris Elba’s character of Knuckles can finally bring back Big Red to his roots.
I can’t wait for this interpretation to bring him back as the OG Sonic rival as his design and character from Sonic 3 & Knuckles was my favourite interpretation of him in the series. He was and can still be hyped up to be a force to be reckoned with that can match Sonic.
Let’s see if this hype is worth it in the movie. Can’t wait to see it tomorrow! 🔴 VS 🔵
Looking forward to it tomorrow myself!
Big Red? I thought Knuckles was called Red Dreads
@@AceCardGaming Did you see the movie?
@@robbiewalker2831 Yep! Did a Spoiler free review of it too. Knuckles was fantastic in it imo. 🙂
I think something future games could do for Knuckles is making him the "lore guy". Like, when you need exposition regarding treasures, or an ancient civilization, just have Knuckles give insight.
It's small, but it gives Knuckles a purpose and shows off his intelligence.
actually, sonic 06 (kinda) did that at some point
I love knuckles with all my heart I always saw myself in him a lot as a kid he was so quiet and and serious around new people but when you get to know him he’s so innocent and naive its exactly how I was as a kid and he taught me it’s always good to have at least a few friends and I cant wait to see him again in sonic 3
It makes me so happy to see Knuckles brought back into the spotlight. For years it has felt as though Sega have done all they can to discredit Knuckles. Now it's his turn to chuckle!
They always forget the legendary invisible wall of the Echidnas!!
BEHOLD IT'S MIGHT!!!
Just a bit of food for thought: Maybe Knuckles thought shattering the Master Emerald was the best solution in SA2 since in Sonic 3 (& Knuckles) he tried grabbing the Master Emerald when Eggman/Robotnik tried stealing and got electrocuted by him. Since he knew trying to grab it would be futile, the next best thing to ensure Eggman couldn't have the Master Emerald would be shattering it again. In essence learning from past mistakes so he didn't make them again.
I actually like this reasoning. It’s still a big risk but at least this offers some logic.
@@AceCardGaming Not to mention it would give Rouge extra work to actually get the Master Emerald since at the time they were enemies so it'd be a win-win for Knuckles. Eggman won't get the Master Emerald, and this jewel thief that popped out of nowhere doesn't get it either.
The main issue for me is that it suddenly abandons the idea (or at least that Knuckles cares about it) that without the Master Emerald, Angel Island falls from the sky. Especially since it happened in SA1.
@@AceCardGaming I was just going off the assumption that by the time we catch up with Knuckles in SA2 by that point we weren't on Angel Island, since I was assuming if we were it would've had the same design it had in SA1.
First of all, thank you for this video. Knuckles is such an amazing character that Sega destroyed for slapstick. If he's dumb because Eggman tricked him, then everybody in Sonic's franchise is an idiot. I can't count how many times 300IQ Tails, protagonist Sonic, Amy, the Chaotix, Shadow, even Rouge have been tricked by Eggman (more than once).
Second, If you think he's amazing in the games, you should of seen him in the Archie comics. He was considered a prodigy, but similar to the games, was abandoned and lived by himself for many years. He also became a demi-god three times and destroyed a whole dimension in his super form. Plus he had all these cool Chaos powers (in his base form) before the Super-Genesis Wave reboot the universe.
These is more to knuckles then just in the video game world and he is important so I'm excited to see Idris Elba as knuckles in sonic movie 2!
I’ve watched the film and I’ve got say you won’t be disappointed about knuckles he’s actually a badass
I can't wait to learn more about him in his spin-off series.
Eh
We finally got peak Knuckles since the Adventure games in Sonic Movie 2.
Knuckles is hands down my favorite Sonic character, and I agree with a lot of this analysis. So glad to see him return as the badass he always was in the movie
The way they treated him in Boom was horrible, especially in the cartoon. I loved the idea of Sonic being the jokester in contrast to Knuckles' "I don't fuck around" personality, and Boom turned the tables between them there. That's not my main problem tho. The main problem is that they make him look so weak and incapable compared to Sonic in combat, when that's clearly a load of shit considering he's supposed to be the muscle of the group. There were so many episodes where I just cringed knowing Knuckles could easily solve the situation with his super strength but just didn't for whatever horseshit fucking reason, and they made it seem like Sonic was the only one capable of saving the day when that's obviously bullshit. How does Knuckles struggle with giant robots yet Sonic could easily handle them? I don't give a shit how much faster Sonic is. If Knuckles can land a hit, WHICH HE CAN, it should be free for him. And don't even get me started on the fact that Shadow managed to severely injure him yet Sonic could take hits from him just fine??????
And shit like this started to happen in the main series prior as well, like Knuckles getting his shit kicked in by fucking Amy in Generations????
I may be biased here, but as cool as it is to see Knuckles' synergy with Sonic and Tails, I kinda prefer him solo, as the hero of his own story, and him being forced onto Team Sonic in Heroes kinda mitigated his quest to guard the Master Emerald, and he felt like more of a side player to Sonic the whole game. I personally feel like he would've fit better as a leader for Team Chaotix instead, but I'm kinda nitpicking at this point
Really hoping the movie can do what we're all hoping and give Knuckles purpose again, and that hopefully Sonic Team pay attention! Undermining your own characters just makes people stop caring, and that's never a good thing. The popularity of the Sonic movies and the hype around them might just push Team Sonic in the right direction and use the movies to rebuild the characters that they broke. Loved the video and can't wait for more!
Loved the new intro! I hope Knuckles changes and becomes that character we loved so much in the first years of this franchise.
Thanks, glad you like the new intro! Hoping the winds of change might be blowing for Knuckles now with the second movie and we might see him return to his strengths again soon.
I tend to think Shadow The Hedgehog has a great plot-arc for Knuckles if you just apply "The Chaotix Test" to him.
First appearance was investigating ancient ruins - probably provoked by some ancient lore.
Second appearance was preventing Central City from being blown up - despite having idle dialogue in Glyphic Ruins about how he doesn't like leaving the Master Emerald unattended.
Third appearance was him intending to tear the Black Comet apart by hand - because he wasn't going to let that go. Answering the moral call, before and above the call of mere duty.
I saw Knuckles in the film adaptation and now I will try to voice my opinion about him without spoilers.
Your hopes will pay off with the red echidna, because the authors understood how to properly adapt the character in the movie. The key word is "adapt". That is, his character has undergone some changes. However, they look natural and do not stand out from his image, making Knuckles more striking and unique. But it probably won't be to everyone's liking. I really love this character and his image from the movie fascinated me. I especially like that he is shown to be very heavy in many ways. In commercials, he could shake the floor from landing. His punches are very strong and his voice is deep and his body is massive.
I want to tell the author of the video that he did a good job in analyzing the character and his importance in the series. I wish you success and creativity!
Since you've watched the movie I will say this. I love the movie Knuckles and happy about it because he isn't tied to guarding master emerald. He has a future to develop into an even greater character with more stories. His solo series will probably show his life before he met Sonic and afterwards too with the movie tie ins. I'm so excited.
I think everyone will agree that Knuckles from the movie is by far one of the best portrayals of the character so far.
I'm so glad you put emphasis on him knocking sonic out of his super form & we all know how powerful SS is goes to show you how much of a force knuckles can be people looked over that for years until now.
I'm bad at explaining stuff but after watching this video, I have some thoughts to bring to the surface.👀
Knuckles has been my favorite character for only a few months now and with me only being a general Sonic fan since 2020, I wasn't there for any amazing parts in the franchise. I didn't get to play SA or SA2, I'm just hearing about it but still trying to get all the lore from different games into my head and chew on it. Back then, when I first was introduced to the franchise, Knuckles wasn't my main focus. That only happened later on and as I started to grow a liking on our echidna friend here, I began to realize just how terrible Knuckles has been treated for the past years, only being used as a joke or sidecharacter, never actually having his time to shine. Same goes for other characters too, but since this video is about Knuckles, I will stay on track and talk about him only.
Knuckles is a character with a lot of potential. A strong and talented fighter, who knows a lot about the Emeralds and things general associated with treasure and others regarding his echidna culture. Now I fully agree with you here: Knuckles is BY NO MEANS dumb. He is a little naive, but that is understandable given his backstory of growing up mostly alone, having no other people to talk to or hang out with. It is said that Knuckles tries to believe in the good in everyone and wants to give them a second chance. But just because he thinks like that doesn't mean he is stupid. He realizes his mistakes and tries to make them good again. I think that is one adorable and great characterization of Knuckles, making him so likable to me. I truly adore this character and I am happy being a fan during the "Movie adaptions", since Knuckles really seems to be portrayed right in the movies. Now I really cannot say anything about that yet, as I will only watch the movie next week. Though from what I have seen so far, Knuckles seems to be the perfect mix of serious and funny, someone who is a dangerous fighter, but at the same time can be hilarious due to him not being very adept at social interactions. So yes, given that we are hopefully entering a good Sonic-character-portration-phase again, I am very curious as to where the movies will bring us and hope that SEGA will also improve on it again and give us other playable characters than just Sonic. It really gets boring in my opinion, but oh well.
I've really been rambling for some time now, so I will cut myself off here, heh.
Amazing character analysis, I had a lot of fun watching this video and see some parts I can only agree with. Knuckles deserves better indeed and I hope we are getting a reboot of his character. I have high hopes for the cinematic universe and that it will give us the right portrayal these characters definitely need. So, but now I will tap out for real! Whoever read this: Thank you and I hope I made sense! xD
With SEGA recently getting rid of the massive plot hole inducing two worlds retcon, hiring Ian and allowing Knuckles to have his own spin off show I do have hope they can turn this ship around. My favorite era of Knuckles of course is the IMO Golden Era of Sonic games (Sonic 1 to Heroes) and I do think he deserves to be just as prominent as Shadow, even if he can't be the main rival anymore. Seriously you could focus on his ancestors lore, his connections with the super natural elements of the Sonic franchise or heck use his status as guardian to spin off to his own thing and bring Fang, Mighty and Ray to the Modern era. Say what you will of Archie pre and post reboot but both Ken and Ian never lost sight on how important Knuckles is to the Sonic franchise.
On a side note while I do think your videos are great, I think you are unnecessarily holding yourself back by only talking about the main titles for your character videos. Sonic Battle for instance is a gold mine for good character writing with interesting concepts for both Knuckles and Shadow.
Thanks for the feedback. I’ll have to reacquaint myself with Battle tbh. It’s been too long since I played it and that was only the once. Maybe a video or two in there somewhere 🙂
Knuckles needs his own solo game.
Agreed!
@@AceCardGaming And have it explore Knuckles' backstory.
Does knuckle's chaotix count ? Granted it featured on the ring tethering ability, being a spinoff game and features vector,espio,mighty and charmy. But knuckles does star in it
@@SuperSonicWarrior93 GREAT idea!!
I agree
Knuckles might've gone downhill in the modern games ever since 06, but it's so refreshing to see the red echidna back in his original roots and being badass again in Sonic Movie 2. And I can't wait to learn even more about him in his spin-off show some time next year.🥊
Honestly I love series with large casts and I love all Sonic’s friends and allies. Tails,Knuckles,Shaodow,Amy,Rouge,Omega,Big,Cream,Vector,Espio,Charmy,Silver.
I think with Ian Flynn writing for Sonic Frontiers, I think Knuckles would probably get the limelight again, since the story probably will talk about the origins of the Chaos Emeralds and the Master Emerald too
I’m hopeful but I don’t want to get ahead of myself until I see it for myself. 😅
The Sonic the Hedgehog Movie 2 did true justice for Knuckles character, he was literally the best character.
I want to see him playable again in a future game, perhaps with a retroactive explanation as to his time spent away from the Master Emerald being more clear. I sort of wonder if he could have taken Classic’s place in Forces. Apparently, there were plans for him to be playable in Unleashed, but the Werehog took his place. Might be misremembering that though
Would be great to see him playable again. Although I’d be interested to see what their choice of play style for him would be!
I hope movie Knuckles is much more like 3&K and adventure Knuckles than what’s followed
Definitely! What followed was depressing 😅
I’m still holding out hope for knuckles to get his own game once again. It would be such a cool game if Sonic Team tried.
I have more hope for future games with the Movies showing how much their characters are loved as well as Ian Flyn moving from writing the comics to writing for some of the games. Plus he even did writing for the Sonic Boom TV show as well. So I got hope for the series’ future.
A video about "Sonic's Stupid Friends" perfectly states why we need Sonic's friends to be more involved in the games, Sonic is a Flat Character.
A flat character does not change, the flat character will remain the same as he started, Sonic does not change but he changes the characters around him.
I remember seeing this in the Adventures and Rush, In SA1 he influences Tails to become his own hero and for knuckles to open up a bit.
In SA2 he influence a competitive streak in Shadow at the end of the game.
In Rush Cream chips away at Blaze's her lone wolf lifestyle, and Sonic proceeds to smash it with a hammer.
The reason the games have been so....empty lately is that it is completely on the fact it is centered around a Flat Character. Not to say that centering around a flat character is bad, Sonic is a great flat character, but a flat character needs to be surrounded by dynamic characters that are shown to be influenced by said flat character..
Writing a good story centring around a flat character and very little else, is quite difficult to do. Seemingly far beyond the capabilities of Pontac and Graff. Who I feel, never really understood or cared about where these characters came from before they were even on the scene.
But with a change in the writing staff, who knows what we can expect. I just can’t believe it could be somehow worse than what we’ve gotten for the past 10 years.
I mean does he really change characters around him? I mean he helped knuckles but knuckles still really has problems with him, Shadow respect Sonic but that doesn't mean they really likes him, and the rest don't even really talk to Sonic that much the only one I think he changed around and was tails but he didn't really change that much of the Sonic characters.
My favourite sonic characters
1.sonic
2.shadow
3.knuckles
4.espio
5.silver
6.rouge
7. E123 omega
8. Metal sonic
9. Vector
10. Dr Robotnic / Dr Eggman
But knuckles has always been one of my absolute favourites
I also really like
Metal madness
And I can’t remember the others names
23:38 you talk about how Knuckles is now a character that punches first and thinks second. But honestly, isn't that how he's introduced in both Sonic 3 and Sonic Adventure? I remember both of those first encounters with him being very antagonistic because he didn't give Sonic and Tails enough time to explain. I see Knuckles as someone who covets and seeks out peace and tranquility but who's biggest personal flaw is that he always lets his emotions get the better of him, so I like that aspect of his character. You might think that's him being dumb, but I find it almost emotionally tragic. Really makes me feel for him.
And I think the reason that he's "dumb" in a more goofy way nowadays is because he warmed up to being around friends now. He didn't let his silly side come out in the earlier games because he hadn't learned how to have friends and open up yet. I do think though that the games need to strike a better balance and remember that he's still allowed to be cool.
I might sound like I completely disagreed with your whole video but that's not the case!
I agree, knuckles definitely wears his heart on his sleeves and is very much an emotional person when it comes to his actions. But I attempted to explain (maybe badly) the reasons why I could excuse his rash decision making back in classic and adventure. He didn’t actually trust anyone yet and made really bad decisions based on the information he had.
But the fact that he has gone through a developmental journey with these characters by the time 06 rolled around, and was somehow back to being a brash idiot and STILL punching first and thinking second was imo regression.
Knuckles also showed how smart and resourceful he was in the early days. Catching Sonic off guard constantly and relentlessly tracking down the master emerald pieces twice. Using his powers as guardian to neutralise the Chaos Emeralds. But we don’t see any of that stuff anymore. He’s very much a one sided coin.
Just my own views though, definitely not stating them as fact. 🙂
@@AceCardGaming Yeah I think that's what falls flat for me about modern Knuckles is how we're ONLY shown his "dumb" side.
He's not very emotionally aware and doesn't have a lot of tact, and I think the writers have focused way too hard on that aspect of his character. He's ALSO supposed to be smart in other more practical ways, like you said hes very resourceful. That balance in his character I feel like got lost somewhere along the way.
Knuckles is definitely not an idiot. Heck in the OVA he’s shown to be able to repair the tornado and in season 3 of sonic X he’s the main person to repair and maintain the blue typhoon besides Tails. So yeah he’s definitely not dumb
I love knuckles and I hope he will have a great role and to see him in sonic movie 2 will be even better!
I'm so glad that I only played Sonic 1/2/3/Knuckles, Sonic Adventure 1/2 and nothing after it.
Sonic 2 and Idris Elba hopefully did enough to bring the character back. It was so awesome to see him doing important things again.
Hopefully Sega can do other characters justice if they return
Love your use of classic STC.
And I always preferred the idea that the crescent symbol on his chest was a necklace.
Thanks! I used to think it was a necklace as a kid too! Fairly sure in one of the extended media (could have even been STC) it actually was a necklace.
Knuckles: I've been given the ability to think again AFTER 15 YEARS!!!! I've made a decision, I want Tails. I WANT A LITTLE BROTHER DAMMIT!!!!!
I’d definitely like to see more stories focusing on just Knuckles and Tails. It would likely help both characters grow and their dynamic would be insanely funny!
Sonic Heroes I think is pretty cool as a game, but it's at a really unfortunate spot in the timeline, being where Shadow is REVIVED as well as many other important things, but it was a game where the story was made SECOND. So having a bunch of important things decided for the story in that game was... weird.
wake up y'all new intro just dropped! Love knuckles he is one of my favorites! I used to play the stories in sonic adventure JUST to get to the flashbacks because I loved the lore as a kid. Also having the stage themes in Adventure 2 (for shadow and knuckles) be a window into their thoughts was interesting.
Knuckles eventually lost importance because he did a Piccolo, he peaked.
As excited as the 2nd movie cliffhanger gets me, it also pisses me off for skipping over Metal Sonic's introduction and over the Chaos and Tikal ark. Given that the whole wiping off the echidna clan happened centuries ago, they could easily integrate that part of the story without interfering too much with the pre-established lore of the movies. And it would actually make sense for the echidnas to have survived as a small village to give birth to Knuckles, rather than have them dissappear eons ago and have Knuckles be born from thin air, like in the games. The breaking of the master emerald in the second movie would also set the stage for Chaos and Tikal breaking free.
Now we just have to see if this carries over into Sonic 3 and beyond....
I WATCHEZ THE MOVIE HES SO CUTE AND FUNNY AND YOU WERE RIGHT I LOVE HIM
I loved Knuckles, he was my favourite character in those Genesis games.
I guess you CAN cut knuckles some slack in sonic boom, as it was a universe where the master emerald and chaos emeralds don’t exist. But it still doesn’t excuse the fact about how dumb they make him nowadays.
I'm so glad the movie did Knux some justice. The most recent portrayal was forces, but that doesn't mean much.
Sonic X isn't part of the main game series or anything, but it's PRETTY GREAT ACTUALLY. We get to see the characters with their Adventure personalities actually talking with each other, and stuff we didn't get to see much of (like Rouge and Knuckles) is very frequently brought up in that show. It's something I think more people should talk about- though maybe not when discussing the main games, but just in general when people talk about missing the Adventure Era and wishing there was more of it.
It really must continue to be reiterated that Knuckles, at least in an introduction, is hands first and *will* defend his home.
Knuckles's portrayal in the new Sonic movie was pretty good.
When I saw this vid ive been playing sonic frontiers and the reference super knuckles lol
Knuckles and rouge's dynamic/relationship in sa2 is so funny to me
Knuckles was my second favorite Sonic character, however if I am to be honest upon further realization I dislike the whole cast on the 2010's era, as not only did they lack character, but regressed or changed too much that they lacked or had ideas with them they could've explored taken away. And I feel Knuckles was the worst offender on all accounts, they've done him dirty since 2005's Sonic Rush honestly. Don't get me wrong, when the 4kids era could get the characters right they were on point, but they were so inconsistent in that regard and Knuckles always seemed to be the weakest link, as in the only thing made consistent about him was the fact he was getting tricked or treated as an idiot.
While his relevance to the story is very subdued, I liked the fact Knuckles in Adventure 2 was just this chilled laid back guy doing his duty to get the master emerald back. Sure Knuckles may not have done the best job keeping it around, but what I like d about the Adventure games was that he was shown to take responsibility on his own to defend or get it back. I do like the hotheadedness that came later, to expand his character, but I dislike how his chill disposition just vanished. Like one of my favorite moments was seeing Knuckles from the sewer in SA2 saying "hey guys long time no see".. Which also leads me to this, I dislike how dumb they made him. In Sonic Boom its fine because it's a separate continuity (people need to stop merging and comparing the characters as if Boom defines particular attributes of them) but in later games its just character damaging.
I always saw Knuckles being tricked in older games as a way to showcase someone who's lived a sheltered life or lifestyle away from people. As Knuckles was shown to have street smarts, like knowing about powers of not just the master emerald and the ability to communicate and understand ancient languages, but the chaos emerald and was a skilled treasure hunter, but his lack of interactions with people caused his judgement on people to be shortsighded, and that isn't due to a lack of intelligence, but rather since not interacting with people very much doesn't grasp the idea of communication, which is normal for someone not use to people in their life since he's had to live his life guarding that emerald. I was even fine with Knuckles taking a break from guarding in games like Heroes and Advance trilogy because it felt more like a progression of his character becoming more accepting around having people in his life and enjoying the adventure, after all if the emerald is out of harms way there's no issue with going out a time or two. (Plus master emerald was in the plot of Advance 3) it really sucks that the last time the Master emerald had plot relevance in Sonic Rivals 2 it was to compliment an ending where the punchline was Knuckles being too stupid to know his emerald was in a device, even though he has a special connection to the emerald and could sense its power.
We deserve to have more games that let us play as Tails and/or Knuckles.
Knuckles is arguably my favorite character from the Sonic games! Seeing his attitude in Heroes was enough to have him earn that.
If the first movie gave Sonic more depth as a character, I’m certain Knuckles has a bright future for the second movie!
I have to be honest, I don't remember Knuckles being that popular back in the day. Don't get me wrong, I was a massive fan of Knuckles, and I remember the hype surrounding him through the marketing, but nobody I knew seemed to give a damn about him! It felt like everyone I knew never played Sonic 3 or Sonic & Knuckles. I even remember telling a friend of mine that you could connect S&K to Sonic 2 or Sonic 3 and play as Knuckles in those games, and I vividly remember his reaction. He just shrugged his shoulders and said "So?" It actually made me feel bad that I liked this character. It was like the "Sonic's stupid friends" attitude existed even back then!
I'm glad that videos like this prove that there are others who want to see characters like Knuckles and others getting better treatment.
Thanks for another great video, Ace! Looking forward to more!
That’s really terrible luck you didn’t know people who appreciated him or the magic of lock on technology! Huge hype for him among my circle of friends. At least you carried the torch for him though, and stuck with him.
@@AceCardGaming It's just irritating that back then kids just weren't willing to give characters like him a chance. "Why would I wanna play as that lame-o Knuckles when I've got cool, awesome Sonic right here? He's A BAZILLION times better than stinky Knuckles!" This truly was the start of the stupid friends trend, and it just sadly never went away!
And still to this day I don't understand this thought process. People complain about Sonic's friends, and Sega drops them like a hot plate, and bends over backwards to make them look worse than they ever were to begin with in order to make Sonic and whatever one-time sidekick he had for one game look better! And yet Fans clamour for their return as well written, well utilised and well respected characters again, and Sega looks the other way! "Well, we want to get Sonic right first! So you can either like it or lump it!" Why do such negative attitudes towards this series ultimately trump more positive ones?
@@bowmaj8666 The people who complain the most are always the loudest.
The people who hated the characters are just louder than the ones who like them unfortunately
Knuckles is best character and awesome and badass
On boom knuckles I agree with the beethy airhead personality hate, the design to me alone is alright.
Me too knuckles been my favorite for a long time he deserves his respect and hugs and cuddle he is awesome and badass
And it is not his fault be ben trick by Eggman since he been on angel island for a long time with nobody else no friends and just guard the master emerald or anything I wish poeple can stop Criticize call him stupid and dumb he isn't any of that he is smart as well
And beside it is the writers who made him dumb in the 1st place they should made his characteristics better but no I am happy he get his respect and redemption and I happy they are still knuckles fans out they the love the red echidna that we know and love
Also I wish more people can do store's knuckles and do more ships for knuckles and maybe a knuckles harem store's too
Don’t forget Knuckles’ _”Operation Big Wave”_ that got hundreds of soldiers injured or killed…mostly killed. It was a dumb plan and the game had no remorse in showing that it was a dumb plan.
Knuckles has always being my favourite since i played the game for the first time
Welcome back dude, hope you're keeping well!
As Characters In-Depth said about him in the Meta Era, along with other two characters of Team Sonic became more like Team Babylon who were originally like dark reflections of themselves.
Sonic: took notes from Jet and became a hell of a lot more arrogant.
Tails: became conceited like Wave and patronizes other tech geniuses.
Knuckles: lowered to bumbling comic relief which continued what Storm started with, but multiped greatly. Boom Knuckles is an exaggeration of that. He has Storm's build, but he's a total dumbass!
I despise Boom Knuckles and is one of the key reasons why outside a few episodes I have a strong dislike for Boom. Let's make him a bumbling fool because its "funny"! (its not funny)
Here's hoping that with the movie giving the character back some much needed credibility and self respect it rubs off on the game version of him. Also Forces could have been so much more if Knuckles, and everyone else wasn't sidelined for a couple of mutes with barely enough personality between to fill a sandwich, one of which - the bad tribute act - having even less of a reason in being there. Here's hoping he's playable in Frontiers and not replaced by a Wisp again, because who needs Sonic's friends when you can take their functions and have Sonic use them instead? But seriously though, we want characters who could expand the story, not brightly coloured functions that add nothing but slow you down everytime you need to use them.
Thanks! Hope you’re well too my friend!That’s an interesting point about Team Babylon actually. Like you I’m hoping the movie will change things for him. People want it so why Sega continue to resist it will always confuse me.
@@AceCardGaming I do wonder if with the movie that they borrowed a page from the Sonic And Tails R book for writing Knuckles when it comes to looking at the Meta Era, by giving it the widest berth you possibly can. Those were truly words to live and die by from Emi Jones, when she said about avoiding all of it.
One sonic and tails aren’t any way similar to jet or wave like at all. Sonic is the same just more flandorized. Two I don’t think character in depth is a good source for anything, the guy is the sonic fan equivalent to hitop films.
@@aidanshowers8366 how are they not? Sonic's arrogance is completely out of control, even going as far to grind his friends into the dirt with trash talking in the Meta Era games, as seen with his interaction with Silver in Team Sonic Racing, the same way Jet would to Sonic.
As for for Wave, she talks down Tails' Extreme Gear creations, calling them amateur as she acts as if she is the superior genius. While in Lost World Tails is constantly constantly talking down Eggman's robots while acting as if he is the superior genius.
I'd say he's actually quite on the money, save for the Japanese scripts where they actually written to be more in character compared to the English script.
Team Sonic Racing
ENG
Sonic: Hey, Silver, you look a little down. Thinking about how badly I'm gonna beat you in the next race?
Silver: What? Oh, no, I'm thinking about something else.
Sonic: Come on man, get your head in the game. I'm totally going to make you look silly out there. You want to win, right?
Silver: Right, yeah, okay. Winning. You ever have one of those feelings? Like... like...
Sonic: Like you're about to get your car fed to you by a blue hedgehog? No, never.
Silver: I'm not hungry, but thanks.
Sonic: Wow dude, you take all the fun out of trash talking.
JPN
Sonic: Hey, Silver. Your face looks grimmer than ever. What's up? Are you worried that you can't beat me?
Silver: Huh? Ah, no, that's not it... There's just something on my mind...
Sonic: What's that? Is it about Dodonpa and Eggman? But worrying isn't gonna help things much, you know? Besides, we haven't seen each other in a while! Let's just enjoy the race for now.
Silver: I do worry about Dodonpa and Eggman... but there's a few other things on my mind... not sure how to put it... Tell me, Sonic. Don't you feel anxious? I mean, uh...
Sonic: You mean something like concern for my friend I haven't met in a while ending up a lap behind?
Silver: No... I really shouldn't have asked!
Sonic: Oh, come on... that was just a joke... And hey, there are so many members present! No matter what happens, we'll work something out!
ENG Sonic: an arrogant bully who doesn't know when to shut up and is oblivious to how his friend is feeling
JPN Sonic: is a little cocky, but knows when to draw the line and assure his friend things will be ok when seeing their troubled.
@@DemonDethchase Sonic’s interaction with silver is simply competitive banter, Sonics has always been somewhat mean to his friends on some level. In the adventure games he calls knuckles knuckle head in the OVA he yells at tails to shut up. As for tails him criticizing robotnik’s machines is fair seeing as how they are almost always easily dismantled. Not to mention in the full context of the scene wave actually respects tails’ work and is actually intimidated by it.
I agree with most of your points about Knuckles in Sonic 06, but I'm not sure about the part with Rouge. The scene was the general teasing they normally have, and they didn't really have enough screentime (just a line or two at each other) for us to really see them bounce off each other and prove it "devolved into animosity".
My boy AceCardGaming has returned! And with another good video on Knuckles the Elba to boot.
With the movie out soon (out now for many people), we'll soon find out whether Paramount have written Knuckles to be closer to how we'd like him to be or not. I look forward to your thoughts on that.
With the way things have been looking since Forces (Colours: Ultimate notwithstanding), it is looking more and more like things have massive potential for change very soon. Everything outside of the games has really been kicking off and going swimmingly, and with SEGA showing that they are seeing the success of the supporting media, it is highly likely that they are finally taking notes.
Your old intro shall be sorely missed, but ynew intro is very cool. I like it. I hope this video does excellently and I am very excited for more! (I didn't get notified of this upload, so I guess I have to Shovel Claw that bell more than once).
Enjoy Sonic Movie 2 when you finally get to see it! I'm looking forward to all of the discussion after I see it myself.
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it. RUclips is a funny creature when it comes to notifications, always frustrating to hear people aren’t notified when they specifically select it. How’s a guy to win eh? 😅 I’m literally getting ready to go see the movie now, so I’ll be finding out whether my thoughts are on the money or not very soon! Looking forward to discussing it.
@@AceCardGaming Oh snap! Then have a good (and safe) time out there. Here's hoping the movie does everything you (and many of us) are hoping for.
Having seen the movie, but not wanting to spoil it for anyone who hasn't, I'd be really curious to hear your thoughts on this new depiction!
While knuckles hasn’t been treated the best if I’m being honest X is imo the worst because they give you a good knuckles but the he’s a bumbling oaf that trusts eggman whenever he appears to be in a sticky situation. And in SA2 breaking the master emerald, look I know he can collect the pieces but he ultimately made it easier for rouge to get some of the pieces and this is literally equivalent of being a security guard at a museum and breaking a priceless artifact so the thief doesn’t steal it. I’d rather have boom knuckles honestly at least it’s not trying to be two things at ounce and knows what this version of the character is and imo isn’t offensive since it’s a different universe.
I'm glad they put Knuckles important again and seeing strong and powerful but I want him to be friends with Sonic and Tails even though he in serious but show friendly to his friends.
I loved adventure knuckles but had no idea how much more was about him in sonic 3 and knuckles only played mushroom hill with him I wasn't very good lol
Every since i seen Knuckles, i always thought he looked like if Triple H was in the Sonic Universe. That can maybe be Knuckles Potential too?
I'd credit Frontiers and Ian Flynn's comics with giving a Knuckles a chance before the movies did, since they came out before Movie 2 and didn't give him a new personality in the process. That said, it took way too long for Knuckles to be taken seriously again and I'm over the moon about what Frontiers did with him and am glad that the movies aren't ashamed of their CG characters the way they were in the first movie. I hope Knuckles' fortunes continue to improve.
What a fantastic video. Great insight as per usual.
Thank you 🙂
Thank you. Knuckles is my fave.
You’re welcome!
@@AceCardGaming Me too knuckles been my favorite for a long time he deserves his respect and hugs and cuddle he is awesome and badass
And it is not his fault be ben trick by Eggman since he been on angel island for a long time with nobody else no friends and just guard the master emerald or anything I wish poeple can stop Criticize call him stupid and dumb he isn't any of that he is smart as well
And beside it is the writers who made him dumb in the 1st place they should made his characteristics better but no I am happy he get his respect and redemption and I happy they are still knuckles fans out they the love the red echidna that we know and love
Also I wish more people can do story's of knuckles and do more ships for knuckles and maybe a knuckles harem store's too
@@AceCardGaming knuckles is awesome and badass And cool
It kinda sucks for Knux because who he is in Boom and who he's meant to be are SO different that a new fan would have whiplash from seeing them side by side. It also sucks because I appreciate both versions of Knux in their own ways but it would've been more beneficial for Boom Knux to be a different character entirely, one not associated with Knux whatsoever. The irony is that the real Knux would be out of place in a show like Boom... It's such a shame they soiled his reputation.
Also, I always liked the card toss in 06 and never equated it to stupidity 😅
Sega or/and Sonic Team should just grow a pair of blue balls and just utilize Somic's friends properly again. Ignore the dumb dumbs who think Sonic should not have friends. How would THEY like it if THEY don't have any friends? How would they like if Mario doesn't have friends? Just spitting obvious things here. 🤷🏽♂️
I'm still in awe in your sheer quality for someone with 3K subs
Glad you think so! I guess the RUclips algorithm pixies just hate me. 😅
Knuckles has always been my favourite character, but I always hated the idea that he is stupid, rather than the awesome, yet socialy naive guy he used to be
Love the new logo man
Thank you! Was worried about changing it but I’m glad people seem to like it.
Super Knuckles absolutely SHOULD be canon, jeez why did they retcon that? The more I learn about Sonic multiverse and character lore the more I feel Sega is just taking concepts, adding Sonic alongside and throwing them into the fan base to do what they want with it
3:04 Scott pilgrim vs the world
Well researched & well presented
Thank you, really glad you enjoyed it!
WAIT A MINUTE! "Unlike Sonic, I don't chuckle."
What other lies have the Jedi been telling us?!
the derp line about knucks made my actually laugh xD
I love Knuckles in Sonic X he is such a badass
This is down badly underrated ngl only like 600 views! This needs like 1000x more than it’s current view amount
Thank you! Maybe some day, a guy can dream right? 😅
Idc what the officials say, I hope in Knuckles' spin off they'll include Chaos Knuckles at LEAST once just to stay tru. It probably won't happen but we've seen movie runners change Marvel characters, why not?
Lol the Scott Pilgrim voice clip
I'll be honest i like boom knuckles, but only because its an alternate universe
The thumbnail of this video looks like knuckles is about to take a dump
Sonic boom mess my boy up bad🤦🤦
23:00 In episode 73 of Sonic X Knuckles blocks Shadows spindash... Then proceeds to Throw him through a wall.. Come on you cant tell me this isnt peak Knuckles
3:56....huh...
I respect the decision if this is an intentional omission, but I think I understand the reason why Knuckles specifically has gotten such a rough treatment... and it's got nothing to do with the games themselves. You see, Knuckles has been the target of massive lore expansion before... in another adaptation, long ago.
In case the HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS, of videos regarding his actions haven't flown your way: Ken Penders was brought on to write for the Archie Comics adaptation of Sonic back in the day... and for what it's worth, his constant lore expansions, for better or worse, gave Ian Flynn -- a name almost synonymous with "good Sonic writing" at this point -- a lot of things to work with after he succeeded Penders; not to mention succeeding where most argue Penders failed. After Penders was dismissed, it pained him to see Flynn do so well with the characters he created. So what did he do? He SUED Archie and SEGA, and somehow won the rights to his 200+ original characters because neither company could produce proof he worked under them; this despite the licensed property precedent of your intellectual properties (characters, settings, plot devices, etc.) being owned by the company who created the licensed content. But that wouldn't be the only time he sued SEGA over this...
Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood released to mixed reviews. Its writing was critically acclaimed, as were all Bioware games... but ironically, its audio is undeniably the worst in the series. That aside, it introduced a new group of echidnas... technophiles that were banished to a different plane of existence from Knuckles' main tribe, that finally resurfaced for revenge. And unfortunately for the team behind it... this was entirely too similar to a group of echidnas created by Penders for him to believe it was a coincidence; especially when the very same Archie comic that he created them in, promoted the characters from this new game. So naturally, he sued again.
As a result of this lawsuit, the characters introduced were immediately retired, never to be mentioned again; and strict character mandates were put in place, as confirmed by modern licensors of SEGA content -- especially ones like the IDW comics that are not overt spin-offs that take place in their own distinct continuity, like Sonic Boom or Paramount's cinematic universe. Whether these mandates were introduced by court order, or by SEGA themselves to prevent further incidents from Penders or writers that could turn out like him, is unclear; but what IS clear is whose egotistical actions are responsible for the uphill climb of writing for Knuckles, especially in the game canon.
I am honestly not sure if I have a stronger hope to see Penders admit he wouldn't win a legal dispute with Paramount... or watch his ego take them on only for Paramount blow him out of the water, like he has LONG DESERVED.
having the luck of living in Europe i could see sonic movie 2 (i won't spoil anything don't worry) it was worth the wait and for those who were worried about knuckles, his portrayal is on par with sonic 3 and adventure sceries to me he was close to perfectly portrayed serioulsy go see it it is worth it !
Tomorrow for me :)
@@AceCardGaming will you do a critique of the film ? i'm pretty curious to hear what you thought about it
Very likely! Just hope I can get it out quickly enough that people still want to watch stuff on it. 😅
Thank You for this vid. I truly appreciate this. 😌🙏
You’re welcome Knuckles! I’m a big fan!!! 😉
@@AceCardGaming From this vid I can see that's no lie. I appreciate you bro. 😏👍
How do you forget Knuckles role in Sonic Chronicles? I know it was made permanently non-canon because of Ken Penders, although really it was the 1 of the last games to get everyone right it felt like. I remember Knuckles & Shade leading a team in Chapter 10 & taking on Ix while Sonic watched from above after Knuckles remembered his role as guardian of the Master Emerald.
I can explain the wall. Sheer charisma
I see Knuckles I hit the like button 🥰❤
You sound like my kinda person!
Knuckles deserves a standalone game and i think it should have god of war style gameplay and combat