It's already pretty much like that so I don't understand what the problem is. Rent=subscription service, lease car=subscription service, insurance=subscription service, internet, electric, water, phone service, leasing the phone (a good 90% of people never pay them off before upgrading) so your point is already mostly invalid.
I will NEVER stop building and gaming on my own PC. Subscribing to any service, takes away each person's choice and local control. I hope there are many, many others with the same opinion.
I had a similar concern 10 years ago. out in the middle of nowhere and games increasingly require an internet connection even when installed locally on your computer/console. Like with steam or battlenet, gotta log in to verify you have the rights to play and I’m not sure your login credentials are stored on the local computer. Maybe I’ll unplug the ethernet and test it.
Give it 100 years for full fledged cloud gaming unless your a average gamer who just don't care I would love a shadow box I have 70mb but BT is not a stable network Ile probably get the best deal from another service and use a Netgear router because BT hub 6 is shit lol
nanog50 this is why I groan as soon as I hear the word "cloud". There's no way around latency and I can barely stand the lag while streaming on my home network with Ethernet from end to end.
I've been using the Shadow for a while now, and I have to say that it's not perfect...but it really does provide a few things that I really enjoy. I'm not a hardcore gamer by any standards, and while I do work in IT, I don't have a dream of building the most amazing overclocked PC the world has ever seen. I prefer to spend my money on guitars rather than computers. So, the benefit for me in this is that I get to have the extra quality of a really great machine which allows me to take my business class laptop and run the games at top rates increasing the realism in them. There are so many factors in combating lag and latency within systems though that it often feels like it's not just your hardware or your connection that's the issue. I have noticed that even though I've got 400mbs download speed, if the servers I'm connecting to don't have the full pipeline available I will still experience lag. It's a pain in a lot of ways to try and determine where the real issue is. But taking aside the gaming aspect, there is also a security aspect here too. The computer also functions as a great place to work on things with Photoshop or other media type environments as long as you have the ability to transfer the media using dropbox or some other type of cloud based sharing program. All in all for me, this is a great product that I love and I enjoy the security of knowing that if my laptop crashes on me I can still have all of my files, games, other programs, and personal settings saved so that I don't have to reset up from scratch. That plus getting to view the games in qualities much better than my business class laptop can handle is awesome. To each their own, but for me it's worth the 25 dollars a month to have this. And I also like that it can work across multiple platforms, though admittedly their iOS app needs some work.
@Mark I use Shadow and I have to say it is honestly very Internet-based. If you are running shadow a good internet connection (I'd say 25mbps+) the image quality compared to a computer right in front of you is practically the exact same. I've been using shadow for over a year now and the company has come really far with its stability and quality. It had many hiccups a year ago, but now it is almost impossible for me to tell a difference in any form of image quality, input lag, or latency compared to my actual computer.
@@DABOSSPLAYZ because some people are stupid beyond saving. its like saying to someone asking how to do something in a game that you do "______" by pressing ALT-F4 and them actually doing it.rare but it does happen
"telecom" gibts mein ich nur in Deutschland und wird daher auch nur Telekom geschrieben, berichtige mich bitte wenn ich falsch liege aber ja ich weiß ganz genau was du meinst. Habe bis vor nem jahr noch c.a. 300 kb gehabt jetzt 10 mb. wenn man vergleicht, ich habe Freunde mit 400mb (no joke)
Ich kann nicht mal 1080p60 Videos anschauen. Und ganz ehrlich ich hab lieber net geilen gaming PC zuhause rumstehen als auf so einen blöden Server angewiesen zu sein.
Not for a while at least. I'm lucky enough to live in a 100+ mbps city... but literally the next town over is at 20-25 mbps (I moved from there last year). Same cable service. Same monthly rate. Drastically different speeds... That's a whole other subject.
Like seriously I don’t get it , if you have a low speed internet , even with a pc you own it still won’t work good , you will always lag , so why complain ? The funny part is , clouds have all of our life without us even knowing it , it is the future and it’s coming super fast ! I got fiber internet connection at 500mp. Am sure am Ganna enjoy this , specially that I do not want to buy a computer for gaming , I’ll use this it’s perfect for me , plus it’s not just games , I’ll make thousands of $$$$$ doing other stuff with that powerful computer and high speed internet like that Don’t just take it for gaming
Honestly probably yes if it's newer than 2011 and has access to the PlayStore lol.. Just subscribed and talked to a rep about the requirements. Basically any apple product newer than 2011 can run it too. I have a iMac xD
actually yes :D if it can natively run any of the supported os systems it wouldnt be a problem at all (if not and you have a little bit of coding/hacking skills and you can manage to run linux yes) i have seen people run shadow on their car dashboard also on one of those house phones with a screen on them
So I did a review of Shadow a few months ago. It's got it's problems - namely storage space. It only starts with 256GB of storage - 30GB+ is taken up by windows btw. You can now "add 1TB" although I believe that's at extra cost. When I used it (a few months ago now), it was missing a lot of features like drag and drop file transfer or really any way to get files onto your 'Shadow'. My other note is that the Xeon CPU is really slow clockspeed (~2.6-3GHz) which makes gaming and even productivity stuff like video editing a tad slow. Plus you don't own any hardware, which is a pain if your internet sucks where you are or the service goes down for any reason.
was just about to make this comment about the hardware differences, that internet providers are not always perfect and if something happens with the connection, you have also lost the hardware.
having to rely on a good gaming experience from the shitty unreliable web services. I will never ever buy this. This wont ever be a good idea till the internet becomes a 100% reliable service that never has outages or goes down. This service is going to do nothing but exasperate current issues with online only games but its your entire pc that wont load or loses information because of server outages and not just your games. GOOD FUCKING LUCK WITH THIS CRAP
You can do that now if you open Steam Link ports on your router. It doesn't work that great but I did play some video games on vacation this summer using my phone to stream my PC at home. Hooked it up to a TV. I more wanted to prove the concept than anything lol.
My rig dies and I'm stuck on a less powerful laptop. So I'll be using my shadow until I can build a new tower. What wasn't mentioned was the hard drive space, which is very limited though you can pay for storage upgrades. My shadow only started with 256gb of storage available.
Before you read please note that I'm not "calling out" anyone or trying to debunk anything. I'm just curious and want explanations. I'm really interested in the latency. Weren't you in their office when you did the test therefore reducing the latency. Also that was a simple I/O test with no decoding or rendering involved. I was a part of Google's Project Stream beta test which had a server located about 300 miles away from me which was giving me, on a 180 mbps wired connection with no real packet loss, 302 ms of delay (hand tested and may not be fully accurate) which was borderline unplayable. Considering that you were using an ISP server a mile or two away (or may have even just used a local network without a middle man) from their office 91 ms of delay seems pretty bad. Wouldn't the latency scale up linearly the further away you are from their servers? For the bitrate you said they use 50-70 mbps but they recommend a 25 mbps connection? Google's Project Stream seems to use about 16 mbps (Again hand tested take that as you would) and that looks pretty bad. Naturally 70 mbps would look pretty crisp especially at lower resolutions but can their server actually push out that high of a bitrate? I think a realistic test further away from their servers and using an average connection would really clear up a lot of this and would make a whole lot of sense.
the further you are the more latency you get yes. but i am about 200km from their servers and i am getting 20 ping (i have no real way of testing ms) and they recommend at least 15 MB/s and you can go up as high as 70MB/s and well as expected higher means more pixels are able to get pushed to you. so more frames and higher quality.
This wont work in my office. No way will it run on any 2.4ghz wifi connection. And it needs to be over 20mb for normal windows use. Not counting gaming.
The drop due to distance might seem like it should be linear but it is not. The I/o test has to run through the hardware and software on both ends to get a return value. Meaning comparing two different configurations over varying differences would be comparing Apples to oranges. Also don’t confuse bit rate (mbps) and ping (latency). Different things, and gaming doesn’t always need the most bit rate. My PC is getting a little long in the teeth and I’m thinking about building a new rig but for me I’ll need to plunk down an uncomfortable amount of $ for a new rig so a solution like this I find intriguing although, yes latency is always the concern.
Yeah whether or not this works for you is going to be down to how close you are to the servers. To be honest, with them having to have servers in every state basically to keep latency low, and having to constantly update hardware and cooling, I have no idea how these people are going to stay in the black
Pegasi I’m sure they’ll be using VM’s and servers that support hot swapping hardware to keep downtime low. Even if a whole regional server went down traffic could be redirected to another one at the Scott of just a bit of latency. I don’t plan on swapping from a gaming rig or anything but this isn’t that far fetched these days.
One he was probably paid very well for. To convince his subscribers to subscribe. Don’t forget there’s a link in the description for him to make even more on it. I can’t watch anymore videos. I’m out. Not interested in always being sold something!!
@@joehorton5089 over half of his channel is purely review or opinion, and the stuff that is paid for is clearly labeled as such, he's got to pay his bills somehow.
@@joehorton5089 I don't understand, he clearly said what this video is, and at the same time, it is actually interesting to watch. Idk what's your problem, you don't have to watch it.
They seem to forget that there are many many people who are STILL stuck with terribly slow internet like me, the best I can get it less than 3 mb/s. Some places are even worse, so this will not work for a huge amount of the population. Pcs aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.
I don't know where you are but check out Viasat, it's high speed satellite internet in most of North America and UK. I think they have a few tiers with prices something like $150/mo for 50 mbps. High speed satellite internet I think is starting to take off and hopefully the whole world will have access for decent prices in the near future.
No I was an early adopter of shadow there is a monthly cost that builds up and lag is a problem it's not that simple, save up your money and either build your own pc or buy a pre-build pc it's less hassle in the long run
If you have a mediocre connection, the lag from shadow ( at least for me) is actually less than the lag from other online games such as overwatch. Shadow actually transmits less data so it comes in faster or at the same speed. But it may be different if you have a fast connection. IDK I only have 12mbps
@@terabera3390 shadow takes more data the more high quality you ask from it... Plus if you really want the lag, feel free to watch battle(non) sense video about lag and other stuff
@@AriomKirato All I'm saying is that I lag less. You can theorycraft all you want but if you don't have it and can't test it for yourself on your internet with your specs, then you're just blowing out your ass.
@@terabera3390 well you are basically pointing out one of the current flaws of the system, I'm wired to optical fiber and get worse ping with shadow.. Plus you could add that in-game will only show you ping from shadow servers to the game servers which do not represent actual ping from your system to the game server.. I get not added value from using a shadow, but I wasn't trying to said you were wrong for saying you did
yup, linus tech tips = sell out for Buckaroos/Bacon/Bucks/Bills/Cheese/Dough/Moola/Dough, but he did say the video was sponsored by them so that's not a sell out then :P
Google has the funds to really bring this into the future. I hate to say it but I'm going with the power house. I might support the underdog once this market Is here to stay
I could EASILY see this service being used for basically render farming. Not for big companies, but for say mid-tier youtubers or something like that where just the capability of offlaying your hardware load to allow simultaneous editing/rendering would be worth the money.
This. First thing I browsed through comments is to figure out if anyone is already running Blender or whatever on it. I pay much more for renderfarm than $35/mo, would use this thing daily.
@@noizz My guess is that they wouldn't allow that because their business model wouldn't work with someone hogging resources like that. They would either limit the hardware you can use or limit how many hours a day you can use it (or both). A single GTX1080 isn't going to make a good render farm, anyhow.
Asked the bot on their website which answered that you can install any software (they actually mention rendersoftware, too) and use it for render tasks. It also mentions that you should read the user agreement before you do though but haven't done that yet. May be worth a shot. If anyone tries it, would be cool if you could keep us updated!
@@Un1234l It suuuuuucks. HAHAHAHAHHAHA. I mean even Google can't get it right. Why the fuck would you pay a sub? Just seems idiotic. Spotify works for music but c'mon... People want to buy a game and own it. Subscription service games are for console peasants. Stadia has proven that it really doesn't work. It is good for a small market of people but not for PC gamers. Why the fuck would I move from playing ultra settings at 144fps? And this doesn't work with the latency problems and internet structure. 2024 is a long way away. Linus has really fast internet that doesn't dip. And his router will be one that is top of the line with different things for QoS. It makes me laugh that people that understand PCs and the internet/networking fully never ever say this is a good idea. Most of us say we are a long way aways... You need to be in an area with good internet and use a good router... Most ISPs lock you into a provided router in most countries... Such as Sky/PlusNet/TalkTalk/etc. There is a reason that PSNow is capped to variable resolution, CFR issues with noise (It isn't 720p actually, it is interlaced but also uses an upscaler) and looks worse than ps3 and xbox 360. It is like projection screens. They are available and have been for a LOOOOOOOONG time. Yet how many of us use one? Or even own one? They are niche. It's like a high end gaming laptop. The ones that cost £5k. They only sell a very small amount. They prove that you can make a laptop really powerful. But the cost and the limitations make them more of an enthusiast thing. I mean are you watching this video on a PC with a threadripper and RTX2080ti with 64GB of DDR4 ram with super low CAS? With a £500 x399 mobo? I mean I am, but I am a games designer and so its better for rendering animated models in Maya and for doing work in engine. A rather niche requirement and before anyone says about the quadro cards, tbh RTX and GTX cards are just as good unless you are wanting to do something specific where it would make sense. I do games, not work for Pixar. Polygons are different to NURBS.
@@nickarmitt4722 You're a weirdo. It's almost as if not everyone wants 144 FPS at ultra settings all the time. Some people just want to play PlayStation exclusives without dropping even $40 CAD. And for just $13 CAD for 1 month I got to play Bloodborne, Spider-Man, The Last of Us, Uncharted, Until Dawn, and potentially hundreds of other titles all on a $700 laptop that couldn't otherwise run these games at a stable 30 FPS and with as high of a fidelity. It's not the same as 144 FPS or 60 FPS ultra settings, but guess what: 90% of people already don't play on those settings or care much to, even PC gamers. I'm a PC gamer too and looking at the value PSNow gives is insane. I don't even have the time or desire to play my Steam library anymore to make full use of ultra settings, aside from a few select games that don't even need a lot to play at ultra settings nor even advisable to do so (Valorant, Street Fighter). Again, 144 FPS/60 FPS ultra is a greater niche than you seem to realize. Most people just want to play as many games as possible for as cheap as possible at a more than passable quality. That's why hi-fi audio and video have ALWAYS been niches compared to compressed MP3 rips, low bitrate downloads, and convenient streaming services.
Used this service for 6 months. The latency was as unstable sometimes was almost playable other times completely unplayable. I'm less than 100 miles from their west coast servers and never had playable latency. Was Hard wired in on fiber optic. I feel like this is the future but for me I'll wait for the tech to evolve a little more. Just my 2c
I don't understand how game ownership works with this. So say I own the witcher 3 on steam, do I need to give them my steam access? Do they have their own copy? I'm confused.
@@patrickdonnelly8802 it's not even suitable for work... security seems poor. And if you just want raw computing power there are better services out there
I can see me paying £1000 for a year for 240fps at 8k with ultra settings on a fucking server lol you bet my ass this shit will happen lol maybe when Quatum computers get better then streaming will become the fucking norm yea ok bye
ya but what am i gonna do if i don't have internet for some reason....? plus why didn't you guys test back at your office or home? thats a real test, not just down the street from the data center
Why not test it from a home location, or a state away? Obvious isn't it? The results would be horrific and tank the little marketing scheme they had going here. What was to talk about if that little device reported 500ms pings? You want investors, not the ones you already have screaming for the hills.
i tried it and i love it. everything works great as long as the connection is stable. I did feel alittle bait and switched as they don't immediately tell you your signing up for a year contract upfront. But for the price its definitely an alternative to purchasing and constantly upgrading a gaming pc.
I'm glad you like it but you shouldn't be constantly upgrading computers. Before the rtx cards came out my buddy used the same hardware for over 7 years. He only upgraded becuase he felt like doing it. That's the case for many pc gamers, Only upgrade because "fuck it I can so I will"
Cloudstreamed Gaming has been a thing for a few years now, Sony offers it with Playstation Now and Nvidia has fettled with the concept too. What might make it cool I guess is that it offloads decoding to the localhost. Amaze.
What Shadow is doing is awesome. But both Steam and Google are looking to do similar things. NONE of these help the massive bandwidth issues in the USA. Most folks can't even stream HD let alone a game. And let's not forget about bandwidth caps.
Maybe instead of being so scared of Asian internet technologies to the point where you get the Canadians to capture a Huawei Employee, the USA should work on their own 5G technology. Bandwidth isn't an issue in China, Korea and Japan simply because their governments invested more into the future rather than war.
@@BeIlows this is inaccurate. The government did subsidize the telecoms to invest in faster lines. Those companies simply chose not to do it because the lines are owned by corporations rather than the government.
Sponsorship aside: As someone who often has to transfer (game) data to newly build systems, and has an amazing high-end new internet connection which currently only his servers can fully profit from, this might actually be quite an atractive initiative to Linus personally. So I can understand if he is Genuinely passionate about this. so yeh, although I do not see any benefits for myself in this idea, I can understand why Linus might.
@@shanes.9016 You won't either. They own it, you're just paying them for the privilege of using theirs. Another thing is how will mods work? Will you be able to mod games at all if they're being generated at a server farm?
@Tactical Crusader I've already got one. I can see this being useful to people who don't know how to build one or maintain it. I use my PC for other things than gaming as well so I need my own dedicated machine.
@@stuckinthepastproductions4329 that was one of the later points of the video, they demonstrated the fact that you can offload your entire workflow to a remote system, not just gaming and all you really need is an internet connection and the user interface components (keyboard, mouse, display, etc). Basically everything is already running with an "always on" expectation. No need to sit around and have a massive PC to do your video editing. For example say you have a project where you need to only do a heavy duty CAD model once a month you can just temporarily expand your resources as needed and instead of waiting hours to do your rendering work you can just dynamically expand your resources and get your render done in minutes or seconds. It's all about economy of scale.
19 999 980 of them will download the game to their system and play it. The other 20 shadow devs will play it on their workstations. Server racks will still be virtualizing minecraft for the abandoned kids at everything-must-be-clean homes.
massive server farms running on renewable eneregy can deliver it, with very low cost, as they can buy hardware in bulk from manufacturers, insted of consumer trickles, and can stock in racks occupying very low volume!
Or not within 100 miles of a data center as OnLive found out years back, not only because of latency, but jitter in the connection, meaning you could have 100Mb/s for one minute, then drop down to 4 Mb/s the next then right back up if there is heavy traffic load on the network, or other factors such as weather, or poorly maintained equipment on the ISP's end, or even the end users end where the router and/or modem are caked, and clogged with dust causing overheating, and connection issues.
Zorange saft yes i know, it was also my connexion before but come in France and enjoy great connexion in all of the village (i have the same connexion as Paris)
To be fair they seem to address this on their site saying it's encrypted, and they encourage you to use your own encryption if you feel like it. So at least it doesn't seem to be spyware. But yes since it's their hardware not yours it means they can take it away if they feel like.
A SNAKE IN ME BOOT while I agree that a service has costs and benefits that justify its price, Steve Wozniak (the good Steve from apple) has warned us about cloud services and I keep that warning in the back of my mind when I think about the benefits of cloud vs personal assets and hardware and their costs and risks.
Yeah, but (assuming the subscription is reasonable) THIS or Google's Stadia gives you access to Xbox, PS4, PC, Adobe, etc WITHOUT buying a new $1000 system AND $1000 PC every 5 years. If you really do that math. Yes, its a monthly, but you get the top of performance for basically (if not EVEN CHEAPER) hardware. If a PC comes out that can last over a decade or 2, that also updates to top performance every year, and can some how play ALL consoles, and TVs, and F'n Macs then alright, you got me, thats a better deal (probably) This sub model is just the future, as long you have internet connection that supports the video quality.
@@MrKamaboko a gaming PC is well out of my budget since I don't want one. But If you really do the math, owning, for instance, a used PS4 runs you around 250-300 USD street. Maybe even comes with some games. Download or disks. Take that same amount of money and divide it by the unknown amount of Google's subscription cost. Finish paying for a PS4 and some games, there they are, sitting in your home. Finish paying Google that same amount and everything disappears. Internet goes out? Guess you're making zero progress in those titles you're paying for over and over again. I don't care about PCMR or any of that. I care about the slippery slope of "cloud" services when it comes to the end user.
@@KyleStangline outside the cities internet speeds are significantly slower, not high enough to stream demanding games at acceptable resolutiond and frame rates. 15mbps is typical.
"power of the cloud" and it wants to kill gaming desktop? If they give you the connection too is ok, if not it suck. We're almost in 2019 and most of the pepole still don't have 20mbps internet.
@@borninthenorthMi i consider 200 ms a shity ping for gaming, and then the data from your data center still needs to go to the game servers. So at all you will have around 250ms now play against some one that is one forth of,your time im the future. Yea,sounds nice
@@samuelwhite3173 They have no reason to use horrible compression on the audio. The video consumes far more bandwidth (remember that it's high framerate and at least 1920x1080). Even outright eliminating the audio wouldn't make much difference.
Let's be real though, the "internet being out" is not a real problem for most of us. I'm concerned about lag, compression, and if the service is worth the money, but I can't remember the last time I lost my internet (other than a full power outage)
I have been a Shadow user for about 4 months now. There is really nothing negative i can say about it. Being about to play my games on anything is the best part. I have a weak gaming PC that comes to life like no other when i'm running Shadow. I had a small problem with USB devices being supported in the beginning, but Shadow Tech Support got me going in less than 2 hours after my original email request.
If you also want a none sponsored comparison of different cloud gaming services then I suggest watching a video made by a guy called the low spec gamer.
Allie Doak the same way dial up disappeared and new tech became the norm so will coax cable, and eventually fiber will become cheap enough to install that it will take over. Of course I agree with you about that being true for the near future.
ecasino345 yea I agree that rural areas will get higher speed internet. Actually I’m my country some rural areas got fiber before urban areas but none the less from the perspective of a company selling a data heavy service it’s not important what’s happening in rural areas.
That can help but wont solve all the problems. Because your latency will be always high if you live far from the server you are trying to reach. Sadly you can't improve light speed.
Consoles: The Gaming PC days are numbered! PC: *[ stares with an assured sense of ease ]* Shadow: The Gaming PC days are numbered! PC: *[ stares with an assured sense of ease accompanied with a smirk ]*
@@colinjava8447 i do not own a console just pc but remember that many games on pc require monthly payments and don't forget dlc and extra which you still pay for it so this is inappropriate it's not like we pc users spend less money.
@@Honir4 "many games on pc require monthly payments" no, that fell out of style a long time ago. The only monthly subscription game that's still relatively popular is World of Warcraft. Most games have dlc/microtransactions, but other than that, the game itself is usually either buy it once, or free to play; and that is still true of consoles. PC players do not have to pay a subscription for online play, while console players do. So PC gaming is less expensive.
@@MarioAndWeegee3 Also what if you do video editing and rendering and stuff... Can shadow do that, or is it just gaming. It would be more attractive if you can basically have your own remote pc to do anything on.
Considering that ping would come down to how far away from the compute centre you are there should be an easily downloadable test to see hoe well your system will perform, talking about your download speeds is pointless.
We don't care about the peak or even average performance, we care about the worst 1%. Stable FPS and consistently low latency is far more important than peak performance.
yeah, and in that respect I don't see how this company can deliver on those lofty claims with the state of transfer speeds across distances with congested bandwidth...I just don't see it happening, in any case, I'd NEVER be happy with just some thin gutless client thing...I want power at my fingertips, not halfway across the state, or worse...there would have to be some seriously insane happenings to make this work, especially as the scale of roll out gets wider...it's not for me.
You can also think about when your internet bandwidth drops exponentially... It's at prime time, the same time when everyone else is streaming. So just don't play at 8PM and wait a few hours! I haven't measured latency at peak time but I'm sure that isn't pretty either.
For a low, low price of 35 bucks a month you get to not own a pc, not own your games (cause game companies want to jump on streaming very hard and also charge for access monthly), have horrible latency for every click unless you live right by the data center, enjoy compression artifacts all day, and never get to game or do anything offline ever again! What a deal!
I've now had Shadow for 3 months and it has changed my gaming experience. Have still got custom built pc's, but Shadow takes the pressure off my system. Up to my third referal already, so got my goodies coming this week from shadow. The only down side is the storage 256gb, but glad they are upgrading all to 1tb from now til end of october. I'm from europe london and the Shadow is in Paris. When i stream using shadow it is 9ms latency for me. But when i connect my restream to the paris server, its 3ms. So is even quicker than uk. best thing also is the 1gig they allocate us, runs alone side our isp speed we get. So added Bonus there. Bloody Love it to be far.
You forgot the power costs of the machine at home. You also, cannot game at work or at a friends house as easily, or vacationing. You are buying flexibility and ease of use, primarily, followed by performance. Side benefit... if your house, hotel, etc.. is broken into, your expensive rig doesn't vanish. lol
For solo campaign, this will be great. For multiplayer mode, I agree with people who doubt this will be the solution, because of the lag. But... Yes, for some solo games, this will be fantastic.
Assuming you have a good internet connection why would lag be an issue? If all the gamers were on Shadow the actual latency between users games would be as close to zero as possible as they would be running in the same data centre.
Been experimenting with Shadow and I’ve been pretty stunned by the performance. Just having a cloud instance is incredibly empowering. And running PCVR to Oculus Quest remotely is actually feasible.
Juan Sambucetti I have shadow and the server is more then 300 miles away playing on my 2018 MacBook Pro 15. Playing overwatch and rust both multiplayer games at highest settings getting over 100 FPS and at only 70 ping
Completely agree that that is an absurd number that sounds like it's a blatant lie to make the remote number which might actually be 91ms sound good. And that is again best case scenario for single player games.
Am I the only one that thinks the latency test seems a little unbelievable? Like, 91ms seems reeeeally high for local input latency. AFAIK, keyboard input latency can be 10-50ms depending on the keyboard and system which is one strike against 91ms local, but for them to get 91ms twice in a row, it's seems more likely that their homemade latency tester got stuck. I would've found it more believable if they restarted and retested, or had some variation in the results. Also, keep in mind that your latency to Shadow's data center isn't your latency to the game. If you're playing online, your new 'Latency from You to Game Server' = 'Latency from you to Shadow Server' + 'Latency from Shadow Server to Game Server'. I would say, in real world situations, you'll double your effective latency to the game server, ushering in a whole new generation of noobs blaming their Shadow box lag for why they suck.
I use my nVidia Shield locally to play games with moonlight and I found Assassin's Creed Black Flag unplayable at 70ms on wifi (10mbps streaming), the frame latency I get now is 12ms when it's wired. Still, it really depends on the game. Civ is fine, I beat Pyre this way, but first person shooters kinda suck.
@@tonytonyfafou 80ms is 0.08s. Which is an order magnitude better than 0.8 seconds. But I agree, input lag that high would probably be noticed. Combined input lag + server lag would be pretty bad for multiplayer games, but for single player I think it would be pretty tolerable.
Well that's just the next step isn't it? Your handheld device as a simple network device and video decoder and built-in peripherals with perfunctory security hardware and a battery. Why does everyone need to carry an independent device when it can all just be on the cloud?
@@AspLode Because in the next nears to come, shadow, or any of the other cloud gaming competitors for that matter, will eventually raise their prices. It's a simple economic fact due to inflation. I've seen in the comments of how people claim this is a better deal because of their current pricing, and will end up costing the same as buying outright in the next 4 years. But what they won't/try to realize is this is also a business. And businesses want more money. Like Netflix, where they raised their prices _just_ enough so people won't complain _too_ much. But what happens when they raise it again by, say, 2 dollars? "Oh, it's just 2 dollars, it's not that much!" Now what about 4 dollars? 8? 10? 20 freaking dollars?!? Now let's compare that to owning outright your PC. $300 for a cheapo-but-can-play-games-at-720p60fps PC at low to medium settings. That's it. That's the final pricing. Or spend $400 for an awesome computer that can run games at either 1080p144fps or 4k60fps. Your pick :) And here's the real kicker. You can upgrade it/spend more money _IF YOU WANT TO!!!_ I rest my case.
@TheBoltMaster You're right, and I will edit that in. It's just that I wanted to make a case for people that just want to play a game, and don't even care about graphics. But this is also a case for value and longevity.
@@handsomepixel5193 You left out the part where they monitor every single thing you do and you get shipped off for reeducation due to your wrongthink...
Actually, you will be utilizing only the mouse/keyboard and compressed video. probably less than you do sending game data across to a multi player game today???
@@ppeder it sends 720p or 1080p streams to your computer. That's a lot of data. like watching a RUclips video, but gamers usually play much more than watching RUclips. If this becomes popular ISPs are going to be scrambling.
Tech challenges ignored, bandwidth numbers undiscussed, latency numbers with some magic hardware unquestioned... I don't mind sponsored videos, but this didn't have the critical eye I've come to expect from Linus. It's brand damaging. Bring the unsponsored Linus back to this topic!
I've been subbed for 4 months to try this out. + It's probably the best Cloud Gaming service you'll find. + Frame rates are smooth - the supported refresh rates and resolutions are impressive + It works with my 21:9 monitor set up at 3440x1440 + They've really done a lot to keep that latency low, I don't know how it fares for FPS gaming or anything requiring precision, I don't consider myself an FPS game. + The specs of the system are good + It is nice to use as a desktop solution too, it doesn't just have to be for gaming. + The internet speed on the box is mental (1000gbps download, games just download quick) + Windows, Linux, Mac, iOS and Android Support + The Shadow Ghost is not unreasonably priced + No commitment obligation. You can cancel any time. - The storage capacity is small, although it is upgradable, but I've never seen the option available. - Some teething problems, some features are still 'beta', its app is not a full release version yet, so it's expected. But they do regular updates. - I get the odd stuttering audio/audio pop. I've seen streams where it's not happening, so it may not be something everybody experiences. - Aforementioned audio pop got significantly worse and latency shot up, but when I reset the system back to its default state then it seemed to go back to the minor odd pop, so this may have just been a technical issue. - Privacy paranoia, if you're worried about your data, then cloud gaming isn't going to be for you. - You can sometimes notice compression articles (as expected with anthing streamed), but of course, this is less noticeable depending on bandwidth settings. This is most noticeable in scenes with particle effects (like smoke) or a lot going on at at once. This is why a fast internet connection is important, because you notice it much less in the higher settings. Their support I'd say was about average. I can't say anything bad about it, but I can't say anything exceptional either. I've weighed my options after giving it a fair test. I think if you're the demographic Cloud Gaming is aimed at and if your internet connection is good enough, then this is a very good choice and I hope that Shadow continue and only continue to improve and further iron out some of the existing problems. Kudos to them, they have gone well out of their way to try and address the issues with Cloud gaming as a whole and think they're doing a really good job of doing that. And the commitment to keep the systems up-to-date with current tech is a noble one, which I think may appeal to those who want to PC game, but don't feel confident or don't like the idea of upgrading parts. However, if you're not the demographic, or your internet is a bit took weak or find the service is not doing it for you but the cost of buying a new PC outright seems expensive. Finance is still an option, some PC builders offer this option - for the price I'd be paying monthly on Shadow, I can get a reasonable mid-high range PC on finance. Though I get that finance requires an obligation and some people don't have good credit and can mess with your credit score if you miss a payment. Me? I'm going with the latter. I tried this because my PC is on its way out. With the number of parts I intend to replace, I've figured I'll go for a new build and finance it. By which note, it can serve as a good option if you need more power, but don't have the money to buy your PC (and don't want to finance).
Hah! Come to rural saskatchewan with my 5 mbs if the stars align usually roughly 2.5 and my 100 gb (you heard me, 100 gb) data cap, there are no other options here, i cant even watch fucking netflix. Oh did i mention this marvelous service is 80 dollars a month The best part is its over the local lte network so when lunch time hits and everyones on their phones, forget about it you might as well watch paint dry
@@carlanmiller8911 you're glad you didn't have the internet in the 90's 24.4kb/s and a crappy low resolution image used to take ages to load, plus it was expensive and you were charged by the minute
Nah, even latency issues aside, most people don't have the bandwidth for true HD, so you're going to be dealing with compression losses somewhere in the chain. That and you're either going to have a situation where users have to worry about availability at peak, or pay far more than they would to own the hardware themselves over time if Shadow wants even a chance of being able to keep up with hardware refresh cycles. Now if they focused on the enterprise side of things, I could see some advantages to their model for some of my client's workflows
Not necessarily, because a cloud computing solutions is not bound by the same upgrading rules and necessities as an individual. When you have so many CPUs and GPUs put together you don't need that often to upgrade. For instance, let's say there is a new game that requires more hardware performance to run smoothly, you as an individual might require to upgrade your hardware, whereas a data center might simply allocate more cpus and gpus to rendering that game.
The big issue for latency is that it with live streaming games, it delays input. Which if you've ever experienced low FPS vs High FPS and noticed a responsiveness difference, it's the same general thing. Only worse because you're sending those inputs over the internet and every node, DNS, and router between you and the machine doing the streaming causes a bit of slow down.
Drog007 this is true, on GEFORCE NOW, the compression is so bad that when I attempt to cloud game at 2k resolution it displays something way lower than what I set
+Drog007 Maybe be it could be leviated a bit by keeping servers physically close to the users themselves, i.e. at your local ISP, the way content delivery networks do?
your not wrong, with self-driving cars in the near future, renting a car will probably eventually cost you as much as a cup of coffee. Much cheaper then monthly payments on one. I think companies like tesla will pioneer in this. Mercedes has something similar in the works
how often are these self driving car companies going to clean the interior of these vehicles? You should read the horror stories of taxi drivers and that's with somebody else in car watching making sure nothing goes wrong.
natit llaf pretty sure the cars will have cameras and sensors that inspect these things. Most likely will be serviced every few hours to see they're not in a mess
while i see this being perfect for casual gamers, anything outside of that demographic would have serious issues/concerns. Having their information housed on 2nd party servers which could potentially be vulnerable to hackers to seize it with ease.
Technically the same thing can happen to most pc games themselves these days. Eventually we're going to have to figure out what happens when a company like valve gos down and someone has to deal with what's left of everyone's steam library. I don't see this as much different but it's on a smaller scale so if it fails you're just hosed.
It feels like it's for people can't afford high end machines. I'm sure there is a market for it, but any of us who stay on the higher end of gaming machines, likely wouldn't go for it. I think it's interesting, but not something I personally have a use for.
ikr the design and build of your pc kinda adds to the experience so taking that all a way and just having a plastic box instead just ruins the gaming experience
I think this is far more useful for professional workloads, I can't even begin to imagine how nice it'd be to code in a cheapo disposable laptop that can be used for travel, or edit high-resolution videos on the background while leaving the local machine completely free to do whatever it needs to be done
@@Luna-wu4rf yes, I could see it being great for large workloads, but at the same time if you're video editing or anything like that you would need to upload ALL of your RAW footage. And that would take longer for most people than just editing on a cheap gaming pc
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Huh, so now the joke of "Download more RAM" is an actual thing
The prophecy was true :O
zaddy 10/10 works I had 4 gb how I have 8gb
zaddy don't click mate
survivaliste degames it isn't a virus or anything, but no it doesn't work
@@darthinvaderzimm it works
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omg made me laugh
I love this channel but damn it this was funny.
Yeah that made my laugh, good job.
So true man he went for the cash grab lol
Fuck that was funny
9:01 When he said "lets say we wanted to go to the kitchen" i wanted him to say there was samsung fridge support so bad
idk might be coming in the future
i mean...a lot of smart fridges run on android, so theoretically... >:)
The ScreechingBagel so you can do it rn
What about the Apple Watch 😳
I was waiting for that too
In the future you don't own anything. Everything has a subscription
and everything is centrally controlled
@@lexecomplexe4083 it's scary how that might become a fact considering how much we shit on our planet
I'm kinda subscribed to my house, according to my bank mortgage.
@@lexecomplexe4083 holy crap that comment is gold (and scary!)
It's already pretty much like that so I don't understand what the problem is. Rent=subscription service, lease car=subscription service, insurance=subscription service, internet, electric, water, phone service, leasing the phone (a good 90% of people never pay them off before upgrading) so your point is already mostly invalid.
"There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer."
Real gamers ( 5.6k dislikes ) never games on someone else's computer !
@@demoncloud6147 I liked the video because its cool, its just not for me
Demon Cloud r/gatekeeping
"fog" services
Yanuze r/ihaveihaveihavereddit
After living a year deployed with no internet, God I hope physical gaming pcs do not go away.
yeeeah, they won't.
I will NEVER stop building and gaming on my own PC.
Subscribing to any service, takes away each person's choice and local control.
I hope there are many, many others with the same opinion.
I had a similar concern 10 years ago. out in the middle of nowhere and games increasingly require an internet connection even when installed locally on your computer/console. Like with steam or battlenet, gotta log in to verify you have the rights to play and I’m not sure your login credentials are stored on the local computer. Maybe I’ll unplug the ethernet and test it.
Give it 100 years for full fledged cloud gaming unless your a average gamer who just don't care I would love a shadow box I have 70mb but BT is not a stable network Ile probably get the best deal from another service and use a Netgear router because BT hub 6 is shit lol
@Quincy Seven you sound like a child.... whats wrong with him promoting something like this?
This won't work with my third world internet speed....
nanog50 yeah *philippines*
nanog50 this is why I groan as soon as I hear the word "cloud". There's no way around latency and I can barely stand the lag while streaming on my home network with Ethernet from end to end.
Relatable
i have 200mb download here on mexico but this shadow thing it's overpriced
same here in germany on the countryside...:( not even 3G mobile network
I've been using the Shadow for a while now, and I have to say that it's not perfect...but it really does provide a few things that I really enjoy. I'm not a hardcore gamer by any standards, and while I do work in IT, I don't have a dream of building the most amazing overclocked PC the world has ever seen. I prefer to spend my money on guitars rather than computers. So, the benefit for me in this is that I get to have the extra quality of a really great machine which allows me to take my business class laptop and run the games at top rates increasing the realism in them. There are so many factors in combating lag and latency within systems though that it often feels like it's not just your hardware or your connection that's the issue. I have noticed that even though I've got 400mbs download speed, if the servers I'm connecting to don't have the full pipeline available I will still experience lag. It's a pain in a lot of ways to try and determine where the real issue is. But taking aside the gaming aspect, there is also a security aspect here too. The computer also functions as a great place to work on things with Photoshop or other media type environments as long as you have the ability to transfer the media using dropbox or some other type of cloud based sharing program.
All in all for me, this is a great product that I love and I enjoy the security of knowing that if my laptop crashes on me I can still have all of my files, games, other programs, and personal settings saved so that I don't have to reset up from scratch. That plus getting to view the games in qualities much better than my business class laptop can handle is awesome. To each their own, but for me it's worth the 25 dollars a month to have this. And I also like that it can work across multiple platforms, though admittedly their iOS app needs some work.
@Mark I use Shadow and I have to say it is honestly very Internet-based. If you are running shadow a good internet connection (I'd say 25mbps+) the image quality compared to a computer right in front of you is practically the exact same. I've been using shadow for over a year now and the company has come really far with its stability and quality. It had many hiccups a year ago, but now it is almost impossible for me to tell a difference in any form of image quality, input lag, or latency compared to my actual computer.
Same here man, don't have the money or time to build a PC, but using Shadow just makes things much easier.
They tryin to make 'download more ram' a thing now.
'download a gaming pc'
OJ Cubz cloud gaming is a real thing.
@@Mvncher he knows; he was making a joke
OJ Cubz why do people actually believe you can download ram?
Download a gaming pc by paying monthly
@@DABOSSPLAYZ because some people are stupid beyond saving. its like saying to someone asking how to do something in a game that you do "______" by pressing ALT-F4 and them actually doing it.rare but it does happen
This still doesn't help if your ISP or telecom doesn't want to change or upgrade 50-60 year old copper wire rotting and oxidizing away.
"telecom" gibts mein ich nur in Deutschland und wird daher auch nur Telekom geschrieben, berichtige mich bitte wenn ich falsch liege aber ja ich weiß ganz genau was du meinst. Habe bis vor nem jahr noch c.a. 300 kb gehabt jetzt 10 mb. wenn man vergleicht, ich habe Freunde mit 400mb (no joke)
@@floriansauer4462 sht dude I thought that was a joke
OMG That's so German. I live in a building (not so old) but the only option I have is that slow and super expensive copper internet.
Ich kann nicht mal 1080p60 Videos anschauen. Und ganz ehrlich ich hab lieber net geilen gaming PC zuhause rumstehen als auf so einen blöden Server angewiesen zu sein.
Australia to America 300 plus ping so not going to work here.
3:38 does that mean you *CAN* actually download more ram for your computer
yes lol
Do I still need to use Google Ultron to do so?
omg this is epic
Hello There.
Yes, and more CPU and you can DOWNLOAD STORAGE. How meta is this? Cloud level meta
no matter how good this shit ever gets, i'd still rather pay one upfront cost then a monthly sub
It’s still a shit show pc
Seriously. I want that PC to be mine.
@@Nameless-qe9hu xd
Good luck waiting on a rtx card then..
its an eternal desktop vs mainframe question
*OH! So, that's how you download RAM and GPU!*
Damn.. it finally happen
Ma man
nah, you still gotta go to downloadmoreram.com/ for that
Today I found out.
@@iamthejaker just got rick rolled by downloadmoreram.com, nice
Until high-speed Internet access is about as accessible as tap water, local PC gaming is going nowhere.
so basically this is going to take japan by storm first. got it
Not for a while at least. I'm lucky enough to live in a 100+ mbps city... but literally the next town over is at 20-25 mbps (I moved from there last year). Same cable service. Same monthly rate. Drastically different speeds... That's a whole other subject.
Like seriously I don’t get it , if you have a low speed internet , even with a pc you own it still won’t work good , you will always lag , so why complain ?
The funny part is , clouds have all of our life without us even knowing it , it is the future and it’s coming super fast !
I got fiber internet connection at 500mp. Am sure am Ganna enjoy this , specially that I do not want to buy a computer for gaming , I’ll use this it’s perfect for me , plus it’s not just games , I’ll make thousands of $$$$$ doing other stuff with that powerful computer and high speed internet like that
Don’t just take it for gaming
It is! And I live in the sticks.
high speed != low latency
Okay but can I play on my samsung smart refrigerator
yes
Honestly probably yes if it's newer than 2011 and has access to the PlayStore lol.. Just subscribed and talked to a rep about the requirements. Basically any apple product newer than 2011 can run it too. I have a iMac xD
Actually, probably yes.
actually yes :D if it can natively run any of the supported os systems it wouldnt be a problem at all (if not and you have a little bit of coding/hacking skills and you can manage to run linux yes) i have seen people run shadow on their car dashboard also on one of those house phones with a screen on them
what about my smart chanclas??
LTT: spends all his money on PC parts instead of getting some new jeans and some nice shoes. Love this dude.
HE FORGOT TO USE HONEY
YOULL HAVE TO PRY MY RGB FROM MY DEAD COLD HANDS!
RGB sucks dick, I don't need my computer to look like a fucking night light 24/7.
@@noradia1985 GASP!
Shill
RGB FOR LIFE
@@noradia1985 not a night light, a disco ball
Also I can't live without my run ;-;
So I did a review of Shadow a few months ago. It's got it's problems - namely storage space. It only starts with 256GB of storage - 30GB+ is taken up by windows btw. You can now "add 1TB" although I believe that's at extra cost. When I used it (a few months ago now), it was missing a lot of features like drag and drop file transfer or really any way to get files onto your 'Shadow'. My other note is that the Xeon CPU is really slow clockspeed (~2.6-3GHz) which makes gaming and even productivity stuff like video editing a tad slow. Plus you don't own any hardware, which is a pain if your internet sucks where you are or the service goes down for any reason.
Anthony Argote I have a Mac so this cloud gaming sounds pretty cool since it’s my only option.
was just about to make this comment about the hardware differences, that internet providers are not always perfect and if something happens with the connection, you have also lost the hardware.
@@anthonyargote6546 It's definitely not just you, there is many others with the same thoughts.
So what are the policy on raising a black flag as you sail the seas, if you catch my drift? ;)
having to rely on a good gaming experience from the shitty unreliable web services. I will never ever buy this. This wont ever be a good idea till the internet becomes a 100% reliable service that never has outages or goes down. This service is going to do nothing but exasperate current issues with online only games but its your entire pc that wont load or loses information because of server outages and not just your games. GOOD FUCKING LUCK WITH THIS CRAP
I have lag issues running steam link on my local network. I can't see this working out.
Me too. I think the steam link just isn’t strong enough though.
@@Riketorian that is either the router you have or machine you are using which needs an upgrade.
You can do that now if you open Steam Link ports on your router. It doesn't work that great but I did play some video games on vacation this summer using my phone to stream my PC at home. Hooked it up to a TV. I more wanted to prove the concept than anything lol.
Get a better connection you pleb
annecdotal. Irrelevant
They will take my rig when they pry my cold dead hands off it.
Literally what I said
@Don Mega As if most people in this modern society aren't already slaves, myself included.
No one forces you, you badass
My rig dies and I'm stuck on a less powerful laptop. So I'll be using my shadow until I can build a new tower. What wasn't mentioned was the hard drive space, which is very limited though you can pay for storage upgrades. My shadow only started with 256gb of storage available.
@@coroso136 it was a joke, badass
Make a computer mouse that has the actual computer inside of it
I am the high ground
#TheFutureIsNow
But it will not a have a wire tho. Wireless mice suck
Darth Jar Jar 0:21
Do you know the chip inside the mouse is a computer already?...
You forgot to play the game on your apple watch.
🤣🤣
Before you read please note that I'm not "calling out" anyone or trying to debunk anything. I'm just curious and want explanations.
I'm really interested in the latency. Weren't you in their office when you did the test therefore reducing the latency. Also that was a simple I/O test with no decoding or rendering involved. I was a part of Google's Project Stream beta test which had a server located about 300 miles away from me which was giving me, on a 180 mbps wired connection with no real packet loss, 302 ms of delay (hand tested and may not be fully accurate) which was borderline unplayable. Considering that you were using an ISP server a mile or two away (or may have even just used a local network without a middle man) from their office 91 ms of delay seems pretty bad. Wouldn't the latency scale up linearly the further away you are from their servers?
For the bitrate you said they use 50-70 mbps but they recommend a 25 mbps connection? Google's Project Stream seems to use about 16 mbps (Again hand tested take that as you would) and that looks pretty bad. Naturally 70 mbps would look pretty crisp especially at lower resolutions but can their server actually push out that high of a bitrate?
I think a realistic test further away from their servers and using an average connection would really clear up a lot of this and would make a whole lot of sense.
the further you are the more latency you get yes. but i am about 200km from their servers and i am getting 20 ping (i have no real way of testing ms) and they recommend at least 15 MB/s and you can go up as high as 70MB/s and well as expected higher means more pixels are able to get pushed to you. so more frames and higher quality.
This wont work in my office. No way will it run on any 2.4ghz wifi connection. And it needs to be over 20mb for normal windows use. Not counting gaming.
The drop due to distance might seem like it should be linear but it is not. The I/o test has to run through the hardware and software on both ends to get a return value. Meaning comparing two different configurations over varying differences would be comparing Apples to oranges.
Also don’t confuse bit rate (mbps) and ping (latency). Different things, and gaming doesn’t always need the most bit rate.
My PC is getting a little long in the teeth and I’m thinking about building a new rig but for me I’ll need to plunk down an uncomfortable amount of $ for a new rig so a solution like this I find intriguing although, yes latency is always the concern.
Should of been tested in linus's house or someones for real world test
Lol my WiFi is 1mbps with 130ms ping (I live in Suriname)
I’ve come from the future. Beardless Linus is a sight to behold
Another subscription service? JUST WHAT I NEEDED!
I keep my subscription count to a real low number. It'll help you from having moments of "I NEED ANOTHER SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE?"
KROM I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD WTF
@@mistamaog at some point you'll get to that point where you'll say "I NEED ANOTHER SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE?"
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Linus expecting latency when sitting in the datacenter's office. #justlinusthings
Yeah whether or not this works for you is going to be down to how close you are to the servers.
To be honest, with them having to have servers in every state basically to keep latency low, and having to constantly update hardware and cooling, I have no idea how these people are going to stay in the black
Pegasi I’m sure they’ll be using VM’s and servers that support hot swapping hardware to keep downtime low. Even if a whole regional server went down traffic could be redirected to another one at the Scott of just a bit of latency. I don’t plan on swapping from a gaming rig or anything but this isn’t that far fetched these days.
Hunter Long I think Pegasi was referring to the costs and not how easy it would be to swap out the hardware.
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I just watched a 14 minute commercial.
That is what a sponsored showcase is, could've skipped it.
One he was probably paid very well for. To convince his subscribers to subscribe. Don’t forget there’s a link in the description for him to make even more on it. I can’t watch anymore videos. I’m out. Not interested in always being sold something!!
@@joehorton5089 over half of his channel is purely review or opinion, and the stuff that is paid for is clearly labeled as such, he's got to pay his bills somehow.
@@joehorton5089 I don't understand, he clearly said what this video is, and at the same time, it is actually interesting to watch. Idk what's your problem, you don't have to watch it.
Landon Williams where is it labelled? I don’t see any such labels!!
Gaming computers rise up
Yas
All rise for our Gamers National Anthem
what if your pc said the n word 😳
@@daddybonez Time for a hard drive wipe I guess
Are you the new Justin y.?
for now ill stick with my downloaded ram.
Nah man, they rip you off. I prefer my RAM from McDonald's.
@@spaceinvader3310 pfft, peasant, I get my RAM from starbucks
BlueKnight 990 sucker I get mine from the Starbucks and McDonald’s inside my towns Walmart
Dat PF chang's RAM doe
Ahaha peasants my ram is downloaded on MacDonalds wifi and has RGB
They seem to forget that there are many many people who are STILL stuck with terribly slow internet like me, the best I can get it less than 3 mb/s. Some places are even worse, so this will not work for a huge amount of the population. Pcs aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.
Wow so sorry. Do you have wired or wireless connection? Where are you?
Riyan Pratama wired and wireless are about the same, I’m from rural Kansas
rural michigan here, all that's available is satellite or cell phone tether.
"huge amount of the population"
Alexa, define City. Alexa, define Urban.
I don't know where you are but check out Viasat, it's high speed satellite internet in most of North America and UK. I think they have a few tiers with prices something like $150/mo for 50 mbps. High speed satellite internet I think is starting to take off and hopefully the whole world will have access for decent prices in the near future.
"without anyone noticing!"
*Proceeds to spend 14 minutes doing an ad for it*
No I was an early adopter of shadow there is a monthly cost that builds up and lag is a problem it's not that simple, save up your money and either build your own pc or buy a pre-build pc it's less hassle in the long run
If you have a mediocre connection, the lag from shadow ( at least for me) is actually less than the lag from other online games such as overwatch. Shadow actually transmits less data so it comes in faster or at the same speed.
But it may be different if you have a fast connection. IDK I only have 12mbps
@@terabera3390 shadow takes more data the more high quality you ask from it... Plus if you really want the lag, feel free to watch battle(non) sense video about lag and other stuff
@@AriomKirato All I'm saying is that I lag less. You can theorycraft all you want but if you don't have it and can't test it for yourself on your internet with your specs, then you're just blowing out your ass.
@@terabera3390 well you are basically pointing out one of the current flaws of the system, I'm wired to optical fiber and get worse ping with shadow.. Plus you could add that in-game will only show you ping from shadow servers to the game servers which do not represent actual ping from your system to the game server.. I get not added value from using a shadow, but I wasn't trying to said you were wrong for saying you did
Oh so that what happens to the bitcoin mining rigs after the BC crash ;D
Bit coin ooorrrreee, you find bit coin ore you can then smelt and then print your coins or sell to bitcoin company to make their own coin.
shadows was around before btc crash , but i think they didnt minded cheaper rigs x)
Vladimir Lastname don’t forget the furnace it has to be cubed
Just make a whole bunch of shadows and mine crypto, and leave them with the electric bill :P
@@Mochi-mf3px try mining between heights 5 and 12, that's where they're most common
Linus says "we think Shadow is the future of gaming" This video was brought to you by Shadow the future of gaming. lol
The brain is the most important part of your body,, according to your brain.
And also Asus.
They also have ads on a sponsored video. Talk about double dipping.
yup, linus tech tips = sell out for Buckaroos/Bacon/Bucks/Bills/Cheese/Dough/Moola/Dough, but he did say the video was sponsored by them so that's not a sell out then :P
Came back to watch this after hearing about Google’s Stadia
Only person to make a profit from Shadow was Linus for this paid advert.
Shadow is cloud computing stadia is a cloud console its not the same thing
done
Ewwww stadia
Google has the funds to really bring this into the future. I hate to say it but I'm going with the power house. I might support the underdog once this market Is here to stay
What happens if there is an issue with their servers?
Ailuropoda melanoleuca Nineoneone you replace whatever broke down?
what happens if there is an issue with youtube?
If the server breaks down then the entire place just detonates instantly.
or the internet provider
@@ryanshingler6290 and the earth 🌎 explodes
I could EASILY see this service being used for basically render farming. Not for big companies, but for say mid-tier youtubers or something like that where just the capability of offlaying your hardware load to allow simultaneous editing/rendering would be worth the money.
This. First thing I browsed through comments is to figure out if anyone is already running Blender or whatever on it. I pay much more for renderfarm than $35/mo, would use this thing daily.
Let me know if someone test it
@@noizz My guess is that they wouldn't allow that because their business model wouldn't work with someone hogging resources like that. They would either limit the hardware you can use or limit how many hours a day you can use it (or both).
A single GTX1080 isn't going to make a good render farm, anyhow.
@@noizz have you tried using golem on the ethereum blockchain?
Asked the bot on their website which answered that you can install any software (they actually mention rendersoftware, too) and use it for render tasks.
It also mentions that you should read the user agreement before you do though but haven't done that yet. May be worth a shot. If anyone tries it, would be cool if you could keep us updated!
Like I said just download some more ram xd
MadMaddox where can I get that
@@clickbaitab5741 I hate to be that guy but you would have to grown someday:
RAM isn't real
Lol that's pretty good!
but the wam isn't dedotated
I just did thanks!!!
This is literally how netflix started
Can't wait till we see how it died
@MrBeast ❶ They wont die as its not going to be available all over thr world. But this is the future if it works out
@Evop Fx
Yo have you tried PSNow? It's amazing. 720p but looks real good and plays nice.
@@Un1234l It suuuuuucks. HAHAHAHAHHAHA.
I mean even Google can't get it right. Why the fuck would you pay a sub? Just seems idiotic. Spotify works for music but c'mon... People want to buy a game and own it. Subscription service games are for console peasants.
Stadia has proven that it really doesn't work. It is good for a small market of people but not for PC gamers. Why the fuck would I move from playing ultra settings at 144fps? And this doesn't work with the latency problems and internet structure. 2024 is a long way away. Linus has really fast internet that doesn't dip. And his router will be one that is top of the line with different things for QoS.
It makes me laugh that people that understand PCs and the internet/networking fully never ever say this is a good idea. Most of us say we are a long way aways... You need to be in an area with good internet and use a good router... Most ISPs lock you into a provided router in most countries... Such as Sky/PlusNet/TalkTalk/etc. There is a reason that PSNow is capped to variable resolution, CFR issues with noise (It isn't 720p actually, it is interlaced but also uses an upscaler) and looks worse than ps3 and xbox 360.
It is like projection screens. They are available and have been for a LOOOOOOOONG time. Yet how many of us use one? Or even own one? They are niche. It's like a high end gaming laptop. The ones that cost £5k. They only sell a very small amount. They prove that you can make a laptop really powerful. But the cost and the limitations make them more of an enthusiast thing.
I mean are you watching this video on a PC with a threadripper and RTX2080ti with 64GB of DDR4 ram with super low CAS? With a £500 x399 mobo? I mean I am, but I am a games designer and so its better for rendering animated models in Maya and for doing work in engine. A rather niche requirement and before anyone says about the quadro cards, tbh RTX and GTX cards are just as good unless you are wanting to do something specific where it would make sense. I do games, not work for Pixar. Polygons are different to NURBS.
@@nickarmitt4722
You're a weirdo.
It's almost as if not everyone wants 144 FPS at ultra settings all the time. Some people just want to play PlayStation exclusives without dropping even $40 CAD. And for just $13 CAD for 1 month I got to play Bloodborne, Spider-Man, The Last of Us, Uncharted, Until Dawn, and potentially hundreds of other titles all on a $700 laptop that couldn't otherwise run these games at a stable 30 FPS and with as high of a fidelity.
It's not the same as 144 FPS or 60 FPS ultra settings, but guess what: 90% of people already don't play on those settings or care much to, even PC gamers. I'm a PC gamer too and looking at the value PSNow gives is insane. I don't even have the time or desire to play my Steam library anymore to make full use of ultra settings, aside from a few select games that don't even need a lot to play at ultra settings nor even advisable to do so (Valorant, Street Fighter).
Again, 144 FPS/60 FPS ultra is a greater niche than you seem to realize. Most people just want to play as many games as possible for as cheap as possible at a more than passable quality. That's why hi-fi audio and video have ALWAYS been niches compared to compressed MP3 rips, low bitrate downloads, and convenient streaming services.
Used this service for 6 months. The latency was as unstable sometimes was almost playable other times completely unplayable. I'm less than 100 miles from their west coast servers and never had playable latency. Was Hard wired in on fiber optic. I feel like this is the future but for me I'll wait for the tech to evolve a little more. Just my 2c
Nova 3x this shouldn’t be used for gaming, not even considered unless you can get under 60 ms. Why did you stick with it for 6 months?
idk I use it 150 miles from the Dallas servers and get 1080p at 15ms all day. sometimes the connection resets but it's not frequent by any means.
I don't understand how game ownership works with this. So say I own the witcher 3 on steam, do I need to give them my steam access? Do they have their own copy? I'm confused.
@@patrickdonnelly8802 it's not even suitable for work... security seems poor. And if you just want raw computing power there are better services out there
@@watawatngpilipinas6645 15mbps
can i overclock the gpu remotely to get more for my money? xD
no. xD
xD
No need to do this.
You pay for more.
I can see me paying £1000 for a year for 240fps at 8k with ultra settings on a fucking server lol you bet my ass this shit will happen lol maybe when Quatum computers get better then streaming will become the fucking norm yea ok bye
ya but what am i gonna do if i don't have internet for some reason....? plus why didn't you guys test back at your office or home? thats a real test, not just down the street from the data center
No internet? no shadow
I have an optic cable...even then the Shadow lags beyond usability and their support won't do shit.
Why not test it from a home location, or a state away? Obvious isn't it? The results would be horrific and tank the little marketing scheme they had going here. What was to talk about if that little device reported 500ms pings? You want investors, not the ones you already have screaming for the hills.
Tbf, if you have no internet your power is probably out, so it doesnt matter anyway.
It also will suck for people without unlimited internet. This will use way more than regular gaming since it is sending graphics over the internet.
i tried it and i love it. everything works great as long as the connection is stable. I did feel alittle bait and switched as they don't immediately tell you your signing up for a year contract upfront. But for the price its definitely an alternative to purchasing and constantly upgrading a gaming pc.
I'm glad you like it but you shouldn't be constantly upgrading computers. Before the rtx cards came out my buddy used the same hardware for over 7 years. He only upgraded becuase he felt like doing it. That's the case for many pc gamers, Only upgrade because "fuck it I can so I will"
Man this is such a long commercial. =Þ
At least it's something cool. Other tech channels do a commercial this long for a fucken smartphone.
at least linus gets paid
Cloudstreamed Gaming has been a thing for a few years now, Sony offers it with Playstation Now and Nvidia has fettled with the concept too.
What might make it cool I guess is that it offloads decoding to the localhost. Amaze.
What Shadow is doing is awesome. But both Steam and Google are looking to do similar things. NONE of these help the massive bandwidth issues in the USA. Most folks can't even stream HD let alone a game. And let's not forget about bandwidth caps.
And input lag making fps and competitive games pretty much impossible
Maybe instead of being so scared of Asian internet technologies to the point where you get the Canadians to capture a Huawei Employee, the USA should work on their own 5G technology. Bandwidth isn't an issue in China, Korea and Japan simply because their governments invested more into the future rather than war.
baltmatrix gigabit fios MasterRace
@@BeIlows this is inaccurate. The government did subsidize the telecoms to invest in faster lines. Those companies simply chose not to do it because the lines are owned by corporations rather than the government.
@@BeIlows you'd think it'd be that easy...
'laughs in american'
'laugh turns to sobbing'
Looks like they paid him well, he was reading that script with a lot of passion.
Lol 😆😂
He's up front about it. He said it was sponsored by them. No respect to the Tubers with no disclosure.
Sponsorship aside:
As someone who often has to transfer (game) data to newly build systems, and has an amazing high-end new internet connection which currently only his servers can fully profit from, this might actually be quite an atractive initiative to Linus personally. So I can understand if he is Genuinely passionate about this.
so yeh, although I do not see any benefits for myself in this idea, I can understand why Linus might.
Dude literally all of his videos are scripted in some way or another. They write them beforehand so it seems more professional.
“Sponsored by Shadow”
I'd rather have my own gaming PC thank you very much.
Do you have gigabit 1080 and free upgrades?
@@shanes.9016 You won't either. They own it, you're just paying them for the privilege of using theirs. Another thing is how will mods work? Will you be able to mod games at all if they're being generated at a server farm?
@Tactical Crusader I've already got one. I can see this being useful to people who don't know how to build one or maintain it. I use my PC for other things than gaming as well so I need my own dedicated machine.
@@stuckinthepastproductions4329 that was one of the later points of the video, they demonstrated the fact that you can offload your entire workflow to a remote system, not just gaming and all you really need is an internet connection and the user interface components (keyboard, mouse, display, etc). Basically everything is already running with an "always on" expectation. No need to sit around and have a massive PC to do your video editing. For example say you have a project where you need to only do a heavy duty CAD model once a month you can just temporarily expand your resources as needed and instead of waiting hours to do your rendering work you can just dynamically expand your resources and get your render done in minutes or seconds. It's all about economy of scale.
i wanna play offline games
So what happens when GTA 6 comes out and 20 million people try to play the game at the same time?
19 999 980 of them will download the game to their system and play it. The other 20 shadow devs will play it on their workstations. Server racks will still be virtualizing minecraft for the abandoned kids at everything-must-be-clean homes.
massive server farms running on renewable eneregy can deliver it, with very low cost, as they can buy hardware in bulk from manufacturers, insted of consumer trickles, and can stock in racks occupying very low volume!
"Error: all systems busy. Please try again later."
Followed by an unsubscribe and a visit to NewEgg.
Don't know. Does this company have 20 million customers that are about to play GTA 6 around the same time?
@@Lex-Rex yes
This is unpractical for everyone without a fiber connection
It recommends at least 15 mbps down. Thats far below a fiber connection.
Wrong, i have it with 20, 1,20 and 10 ping and it works well
Or not within 100 miles of a data center as OnLive found out years back, not only because of latency, but jitter in the connection, meaning you could have 100Mb/s for one minute, then drop down to 4 Mb/s the next then right back up if there is heavy traffic load on the network, or other factors such as weather, or poorly maintained equipment on the ISP's end, or even the end users end where the router and/or modem are caked, and clogged with dust causing overheating, and connection issues.
@@o2Hayden That is lightning fast for me, i have 500kb
Zorange saft yes i know, it was also my connexion before but come in France and enjoy great connexion in all of the village (i have the same connexion as Paris)
Remember, the cloud is someone else's computer.
this guy gets it
So what
Woke 9000. IQ 9000+
@@josephkreifelsii6596 you'll get it once you start using it...then you will realise the cost....
To be fair they seem to address this on their site saying it's encrypted, and they encourage you to use your own encryption if you feel like it. So at least it doesn't seem to be spyware. But yes since it's their hardware not yours it means they can take it away if they feel like.
Google: STADIA!
Shadow: Am I a joke to you?
Came here after google stadia.
@@venuvenu2719 *OnLive cries in corner*
Stadia is a console, shadow is a computer
Every damn company in the world just wants to make a subscription out of everything under the sun
uberlolzzz well what do you expect it’s an active service
@@halops117 It's a type of service that is very profitable and improving every year that goes by and is much cheaper than just buying your own assets.
A SNAKE IN ME BOOT while I agree that a service has costs and benefits that justify its price, Steve Wozniak (the good Steve from apple) has warned us about cloud services and I keep that warning in the back of my mind when I think about the benefits of cloud vs personal assets and hardware and their costs and risks.
Yeah, but (assuming the subscription is reasonable) THIS or Google's Stadia gives you access to Xbox, PS4, PC, Adobe, etc WITHOUT buying a new $1000 system AND $1000 PC every 5 years.
If you really do that math. Yes, its a monthly, but you get the top of performance for basically (if not EVEN CHEAPER) hardware. If a PC comes out that can last over a decade or 2, that also updates to top performance every year, and can some how play ALL consoles, and TVs, and F'n Macs then alright, you got me, thats a better deal (probably)
This sub model is just the future, as long you have internet connection that supports the video quality.
@@MrKamaboko a gaming PC is well out of my budget since I don't want one. But If you really do the math, owning, for instance, a used PS4 runs you around 250-300 USD street. Maybe even comes with some games. Download or disks.
Take that same amount of money and divide it by the unknown amount of Google's subscription cost. Finish paying for a PS4 and some games, there they are, sitting in your home. Finish paying Google that same amount and everything disappears. Internet goes out? Guess you're making zero progress in those titles you're paying for over and over again.
I don't care about PCMR or any of that. I care about the slippery slope of "cloud" services when it comes to the end user.
Stop killing offline for the love of God
the tech is not ripe yet, but when it is I don't see why not
My thoughts exactly.
@@someone-yw2qw Even then the moment online went down (and it will happen) everything going to shit. Enjoy not playing game.
DRM's reached a whole new level....
Fuck I didn't do it on purpose. Please whatever publisher reads this, don't ever make a streaming exclusive game.
My dude, you said it. If I can't run it offline, I can't play it.
First you lost ownership of your games, now you're about to lose the ownership of your computer.
Meridia you would be losing ownership of your computer because it wasn’t your computer in the first place. You are renting someone else’s computer.
Don't forget constant data mining and don't you dare speak out of line!
Next up: these robots will play your favourite games for you and lose games for you like in real life
"You need a license to own a machine of power greater than xxCPU"
I agree, anything I work hard for in order to purchase I want to own. Renting or licensing games is not appealing to me.
Umm biggest downside to cloud gaming: no offline mode.
When lightning takes out my ISP, I still have Skyrim.
agree so i ve have shadow with a i5 7400 and gtx 1060 3gb and it's perfect
FOR SOVNGARDE
It works off 4G
The weather has never taken down my internet, though I live in a city.
@@KyleStangline outside the cities internet speeds are significantly slower, not high enough to stream demanding games at acceptable resolutiond and frame rates. 15mbps is typical.
No thanks.. it doesnt have RGB
Twenny Bux worst part is u cant add any or hear the fans or pick os
It has R
My thoughts exactly
@@reubentrevena9632 but no GB
"power of the cloud" and it wants to kill gaming desktop? If they give you the connection too is ok, if not it suck. We're almost in 2019 and most of the pepole still don't have 20mbps internet.
Depends heavily where you live.
Do you live in a dessert or something? I got 100 mbits standart
@@kwinzman in a 6000 inhabitants city.
@@wolfxp3861 lol most of the world don't have bandwidth like that, i've been lucky to get 1mbit
What's a pepole?
Boy you're like 2 seconds away from that data center..
Boy, you are probably less than 200 ms from that data center...
@@borninthenorthMi That's still a considerably higher ping that I'd ever find acceptable
@@borninthenorthMi i consider 200 ms a shity ping for gaming, and then the data from your data center still needs to go to the game servers. So at all you will have around 250ms now play against some one that is one forth of,your time im the future. Yea,sounds nice
CT-5555 yup 125 is the max i play on in cs
Michalina Tuziak lmao 200ms of input lag is insanely high
Highlighting that they’re using BGP for routing is on the same level as telling someone you use Electricity to power the server.
Yeah, so let's see that fancy latency test from Canada, or Denmark, or Australia... Anywhere other than next-door to the data centre.
Let us see the awful audio compression. Probably 16-Bit or something laughable.
@@samuelwhite3173 They have no reason to use horrible compression on the audio. The video consumes far more bandwidth (remember that it's high framerate and at least 1920x1080). Even outright eliminating the audio wouldn't make much difference.
@@leandrog2785 My point is that the audio is terrible.
Samuel T. White 16 bit is laughable?
I have Shadow and I never had a audio problem or performance problems. You just need a connection that have more than 15mbps in downloading.
No RGB, it isn't for gamers! Linus, I'm disappointed.
Im calling the PC MASTER RACER Police,we got him.
There was rgb on the bottom of the shadow when they showed the TV stream thingy
@@mr.applejuice8546 that's not RGB, Linus would have mentioned is as we all know how crazy he is for RGB.
it's still in development, cut them some slack
atleast they should give you some rgb lan cable
Let's finish up my Skyrim story! Oh, internet is out? I guess I'll just sit here.
Meditate
Let's be real though, the "internet being out" is not a real problem for most of us.
I'm concerned about lag, compression, and if the service is worth the money, but I can't remember the last time I lost my internet (other than a full power outage)
🧘♂️
I think when the "internet is out" it's time to go riot and loot supermarkets anyway.
@@benkenobi88 it goes out for me every week
I have been a Shadow user for about 4 months now. There is really nothing negative i can say about it. Being about to play my games on anything is the best part. I have a weak gaming PC that comes to life like no other when i'm running Shadow. I had a small problem with USB devices being supported in the beginning, but Shadow Tech Support got me going in less than 2 hours after my original email request.
I'll keep my pc, nothing beats building your own rig.
If you also want a none sponsored comparison of different cloud gaming services then I suggest watching a video made by a guy called the low spec gamer.
@@lord6162 thanks mate this video seemed kinda biased
andmthen troubleshooting this bad boy...
Lord_Doz a
Mohamed Abdi Of course, this video was sponsored so it had to be a little biased
The elephant in the room is that what we really need is nationwide fiber internet first.
Not sure about the "we", maybe just me or enough people to be precise.
Probably just in urban areas. No company is going to be overly bothered about dwindling rural populations
Allie Doak the same way dial up disappeared and new tech became the norm so will coax cable, and eventually fiber will become cheap enough to install that it will take over. Of course I agree with you about that being true for the near future.
ecasino345 yea I agree that rural areas will get higher speed internet. Actually I’m my country some rural areas got fiber before urban areas but none the less from the perspective of a company selling a data heavy service it’s not important what’s happening in rural areas.
That can help but wont solve all the problems. Because your latency will be always high if you live far from the server you are trying to reach. Sadly you can't improve light speed.
Sounds like crypto mining project went wrong way.
lmao
XD
that makes sense ... so THERE is where all the GPUs went earlier this year ...
I was thinking the same thing xD
Hahahaha
Consoles: The Gaming PC days are numbered!
PC: *[ stares with an assured sense of ease ]*
Shadow: The Gaming PC days are numbered!
PC: *[ stares with an assured sense of ease accompanied with a smirk ]*
10 months later and the smirk is now stifled giggles as Stadia destroys what little good rep cloud gaming had for everyone save peasants.
SPONSORED by Shadow..
The edgy hedgeg
This will replace consoles, not PCs.
Yeah cause many console peasants already pay monthly fees, so they will be used to it.
@@colinjava8447 i do not own a console just pc but remember that many games on pc require monthly payments and don't forget dlc and extra which you still pay for it so this is inappropriate it's not like we pc users spend less money.
@@Honir4 "many games on pc require monthly payments" no, that fell out of style a long time ago. The only monthly subscription game that's still relatively popular is World of Warcraft. Most games have dlc/microtransactions, but other than that, the game itself is usually either buy it once, or free to play; and that is still true of consoles. PC players do not have to pay a subscription for online play, while console players do. So PC gaming is less expensive.
@@MarioAndWeegee3 Also what if you do video editing and rendering and stuff...
Can shadow do that, or is it just gaming.
It would be more attractive if you can basically have your own remote pc to do anything on.
From a technical standpoint, in order for this to replace consoles it needs a lot lower latency than 91ms.
Before i pay £26.95/month, i would expect atleast a free trial to test my internet connection. Pitty
Yep, buyer beware
@@DrLiquid arounddd, 8MB/s
@@WunnSEN Says the recommend 15MB/s on their site
@@Nostrite Never seen that, cheers bud.
Considering that ping would come down to how far away from the compute centre you are there should be an easily downloadable test to see hoe well your system will perform, talking about your download speeds is pointless.
They'll pry my gaming rig out of my cold, dead hands...
i love your pfp 😂
YOU ARE IN THE SAME BUILDING. You can't test latency there.
Its an AD, don't expect a reliable test. Users will bash it, when they have 50+ms latency
We don't care about the peak or even average performance, we care about the worst 1%. Stable FPS and consistently low latency is far more important than peak performance.
yeah, and in that respect I don't see how this company can deliver on those lofty claims with the state of transfer speeds across distances with congested bandwidth...I just don't see it happening, in any case, I'd NEVER be happy with just some thin gutless client thing...I want power at my fingertips, not halfway across the state, or worse...there would have to be some seriously insane happenings to make this work, especially as the scale of roll out gets wider...it's not for me.
Indeed, if you are playing an fps even just a few ms of input delay is horrible and basicly unplayable
You can also think about when your internet bandwidth drops exponentially... It's at prime time, the same time when everyone else is streaming. So just don't play at 8PM and wait a few hours!
I haven't measured latency at peak time but I'm sure that isn't pretty either.
For a low, low price of 35 bucks a month you get to not own a pc, not own your games (cause game companies want to jump on streaming very hard and also charge for access monthly), have horrible latency for every click unless you live right by the data center, enjoy compression artifacts all day, and never get to game or do anything offline ever again! What a deal!
do not forget with underpowered cpu configurations that clock in at under 3ghz a core
@@MrHozay11 above 3 is good?
If this shit happens I'm done with modern gaming. I'll just stick to my older consoles like SNES, Xbox, etc
it requires you to own your own games.
That’s what some mobile games are right now. There not bad
Forget gaming, I need a compiler for my c program!
If video does not have ads, then the whole video is ad 🤔🤔🤔
P.S. Just kidding, guys you are awesome😘😘😘
Hahahaha true
They did have the text at 0:17 that the video was sponsored.
@@rithvikvibhu It is joke, don't take it seriously bro ;)
@@garyshker20 Yeah, just saying xD
Lol, why are you saying its joking, its one big ad.... Its the best ad Shadow could do trough a famous reliable youtuber
I hope it will be available in Russia, so I can compromise next US elections without upgrading from my Pentium 3 450mhz pc
ok, that's funny sir!
nvidia has its own streaming service
Don't pay attention to those blacks vans on front of your house sir... nothing here
Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
Блять❤
Jeans. Sandals. Socks.
It’s like Rock Paper Scissors.
But every one loses. Every time.
Logan Ross beautiful comment and spot on! Linus be serious!
I hope Santa brings Linus a pair of jeans that fit properly and a pair of shoes that would be useful :P
was just about to post "post and sandals..unsubed"
:-D
I've now had Shadow for 3 months and it has changed my gaming experience. Have still got custom built pc's, but Shadow takes the pressure off my system. Up to my third referal already, so got my goodies coming this week from shadow. The only down side is the storage 256gb, but glad they are upgrading all to 1tb from now til end of october. I'm from europe london and the Shadow is in Paris. When i stream using shadow it is 9ms latency for me. But when i connect my restream to the paris server, its 3ms. So is even quicker than uk. best thing also is the 1gig they allocate us, runs alone side our isp speed we get. So added Bonus there. Bloody Love it to be far.
35$ x 12 = 420$
420$ x 3 = 1260$
Three years payments should get you a great PC that can last solid 5 years
beside u can flip the hardware after ur done with it,
You forgot the power costs of the machine at home. You also, cannot game at work or at a friends house as easily, or vacationing. You are buying flexibility and ease of use, primarily, followed by performance.
Side benefit... if your house, hotel, etc.. is broken into, your expensive rig doesn't vanish. lol
Basem Saleh
Yeah, and if you save your Netflix money for 3 years, you can go to the theater for a long time.
Alien Ami why would I game in my workplace or friends house?
And in 5 years you have to upgrade. With this the upgrades are included
For solo campaign, this will be great.
For multiplayer mode, I agree with people who doubt this will be the solution, because of the lag.
But... Yes, for some solo games, this will be fantastic.
Yeah, but what if you live out in the sticks like I do where my download speeds are less than 800kb per second? Lol
@@Grumpy-BNSFguy You need starlink. Coming to a planet near you!
Then you should download more internet @@Grumpy-BNSFguy
Assuming you have a good internet connection why would lag be an issue?
If all the gamers were on Shadow the actual latency between users games would be as close to zero as possible as they would be running in the same data centre.
Google FIber
I just want to actually own my hardware and software and not rely on some company renting it to me.
And fight the modern trends of the world economy? Pffft.
(Sign me up)
@Deon Denis, Windows won't suddenly stop working if I stop paying a subscription or I disconnect from the internet.
@@Warribo and if they have a internet blackout then you re boned too
@cool dude people use windows 10 because its easy to use but Linux is better for a challenge if it even is
@@Ussurin what country might this be? Nice to know at least some government takes free software seriously.
Been experimenting with Shadow and I’ve been pretty stunned by the performance. Just having a cloud instance is incredibly empowering. And running PCVR to Oculus Quest remotely is actually feasible.
how did you manage to do this?
91ms local latency on razer laptop... yeah, right....
91ms = 150ms ping on multiplayer games.
@@jaggsta more like 182ms ping
Juan Sambucetti I have shadow and the server is more then 300 miles away playing on my 2018 MacBook Pro 15. Playing overwatch and rust both multiplayer games at highest settings getting over 100 FPS and at only 70 ping
Completely agree that that is an absurd number that sounds like it's a blatant lie to make the remote number which might actually be 91ms sound good. And that is again best case scenario for single player games.
imtechguy why do u even play overwatch using shadow if u have a mbp 15 that has a graphics card?
Disagree. Its pretty much the only way to play Bookworm Adventures Deluxe. PC gaming ain't going anywhere.
Bookworm Adventures Deluxe on switch when
Cloud streaming adds too much input lag, ruining the true Bookworm Adventures Deluxe experience
why do i find you on every video i see?
dead overused meme
Agreed if there was even a Milla second of delay I wouldnt be able to consentrate on the cutting edge game play
Am I the only one that thinks the latency test seems a little unbelievable?
Like, 91ms seems reeeeally high for local input latency. AFAIK, keyboard input latency can be 10-50ms depending on the keyboard and system which is one strike against 91ms local, but for them to get 91ms twice in a row, it's seems more likely that their homemade latency tester got stuck. I would've found it more believable if they restarted and retested, or had some variation in the results.
Also, keep in mind that your latency to Shadow's data center isn't your latency to the game. If you're playing online, your new 'Latency from You to Game Server' = 'Latency from you to Shadow Server' + 'Latency from Shadow Server to Game Server'. I would say, in real world situations, you'll double your effective latency to the game server, ushering in a whole new generation of noobs blaming their Shadow box lag for why they suck.
i agree, but at $35 a month, you can get an extra high end pc that runs on android
I use my nVidia Shield locally to play games with moonlight and I found Assassin's Creed Black Flag unplayable at 70ms on wifi (10mbps streaming), the frame latency I get now is 12ms when it's wired. Still, it really depends on the game. Civ is fine, I beat Pyre this way, but first person shooters kinda suck.
@@tonytonyfafou 80ms is .080 seconds. 800ms is .8 seconds
@@tonytonyfafou 80ms is actually only 0.08 second. Milli is short for thousand, not hundred.
@@tonytonyfafou 80ms is 0.08s. Which is an order magnitude better than 0.8 seconds. But I agree, input lag that high would probably be noticed. Combined input lag + server lag would be pretty bad for multiplayer games, but for single player I think it would be pretty tolerable.
When the Shadow Ghost itself is faster than your computer
Apparently I own a PC, a huge smart TV, a Tablet, an iPhone, a android-enabled fridge, but I can't afford a local device for gaming.
Well that's just the next step isn't it? Your handheld device as a simple network device and video decoder and built-in peripherals with perfunctory security hardware and a battery. Why does everyone need to carry an independent device when it can all just be on the cloud?
@@AspLode
Because in the next nears to come, shadow, or any of the other cloud gaming competitors for that matter, will eventually raise their prices.
It's a simple economic fact due to inflation.
I've seen in the comments of how people claim this is a better deal because of their current pricing, and will end up costing the same as buying outright in the next 4 years.
But what they won't/try to realize is this is also a business. And businesses want more money.
Like Netflix, where they raised their prices _just_ enough so people won't complain _too_ much.
But what happens when they raise it again by, say, 2 dollars? "Oh, it's just 2 dollars, it's not that much!"
Now what about 4 dollars? 8? 10? 20 freaking dollars?!?
Now let's compare that to owning outright your PC.
$300 for a cheapo-but-can-play-games-at-720p60fps PC at low to medium settings. That's it. That's the final pricing.
Or spend $400 for an awesome computer that can run games at either 1080p144fps or 4k60fps. Your pick :)
And here's the real kicker. You can upgrade it/spend more money _IF YOU WANT TO!!!_
I rest my case.
@TheBoltMaster You're right, and I will edit that in. It's just that I wanted to make a case for people that just want to play a game, and don't even care about graphics.
But this is also a case for value and longevity.
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You left out the part where they monitor every single thing you do and you get shipped off for reeducation due to your wrongthink...
r/humblebrag
This is going to blow up comcasts monthly bandwidth data cap of 1tb along with other ISPs data limits.
That is an interesting point. How will ISPs respond to something like this if it becomes widely popular? We already lost net neutrality...
haha sucks for you mere mortal, isp's where I live have no data cap
Actually, you will be utilizing only the mouse/keyboard and compressed video. probably less than you do sending game data across to a multi player game today???
@@ppeder it sends 720p or 1080p streams to your computer. That's a lot of data. like watching a RUclips video, but gamers usually play much more than watching RUclips. If this becomes popular ISPs are going to be scrambling.
You have data caps on your home bandwidth? why?
Tech challenges ignored, bandwidth numbers undiscussed, latency numbers with some magic hardware unquestioned... I don't mind sponsored videos, but this didn't have the critical eye I've come to expect from Linus. It's brand damaging. Bring the unsponsored Linus back to this topic!
Good criticism mr Delaura
yes
I agree. I almost changed from the "ad" because it turned out to be an ad and not a review.
Linus is just cash for comment now. This video was absolute insulting garbage.
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I've been subbed for 4 months to try this out.
+ It's probably the best Cloud Gaming service you'll find.
+ Frame rates are smooth - the supported refresh rates and resolutions are impressive
+ It works with my 21:9 monitor set up at 3440x1440
+ They've really done a lot to keep that latency low, I don't know how it fares for FPS gaming or anything requiring precision, I don't consider myself an FPS game.
+ The specs of the system are good
+ It is nice to use as a desktop solution too, it doesn't just have to be for gaming.
+ The internet speed on the box is mental (1000gbps download, games just download quick)
+ Windows, Linux, Mac, iOS and Android Support
+ The Shadow Ghost is not unreasonably priced
+ No commitment obligation. You can cancel any time.
- The storage capacity is small, although it is upgradable, but I've never seen the option available.
- Some teething problems, some features are still 'beta', its app is not a full release version yet, so it's expected. But they do regular updates.
- I get the odd stuttering audio/audio pop. I've seen streams where it's not happening, so it may not be something everybody experiences.
- Aforementioned audio pop got significantly worse and latency shot up, but when I reset the system back to its default state then it seemed to go back to the minor odd pop, so this may have just been a technical issue.
- Privacy paranoia, if you're worried about your data, then cloud gaming isn't going to be for you.
- You can sometimes notice compression articles (as expected with anthing streamed), but of course, this is less noticeable depending on bandwidth settings. This is most noticeable in scenes with particle effects (like smoke) or a lot going on at at once. This is why a fast internet connection is important, because you notice it much less in the higher settings.
Their support I'd say was about average. I can't say anything bad about it, but I can't say anything exceptional either.
I've weighed my options after giving it a fair test. I think if you're the demographic Cloud Gaming is aimed at and if your internet connection is good enough, then this is a very good choice and I hope that Shadow continue and only continue to improve and further iron out some of the existing problems. Kudos to them, they have gone well out of their way to try and address the issues with Cloud gaming as a whole and think they're doing a really good job of doing that. And the commitment to keep the systems up-to-date with current tech is a noble one, which I think may appeal to those who want to PC game, but don't feel confident or don't like the idea of upgrading parts.
However, if you're not the demographic, or your internet is a bit took weak or find the service is not doing it for you but the cost of buying a new PC outright seems expensive. Finance is still an option, some PC builders offer this option - for the price I'd be paying monthly on Shadow, I can get a reasonable mid-high range PC on finance. Though I get that finance requires an obligation and some people don't have good credit and can mess with your credit score if you miss a payment.
Me? I'm going with the latter. I tried this because my PC is on its way out. With the number of parts I intend to replace, I've figured I'll go for a new build and finance it. By which note, it can serve as a good option if you need more power, but don't have the money to buy your PC (and don't want to finance).
Before you make any bold claims about it's low latency, use a rural land-line connection.
U ain't rural till you using fixed wireless or satellite!
Hah! Come to rural saskatchewan with my 5 mbs if the stars align usually roughly 2.5 and my 100 gb (you heard me, 100 gb) data cap, there are no other options here, i cant even watch fucking netflix. Oh did i mention this marvelous service is 80 dollars a month
The best part is its over the local lte network so when lunch time hits and everyones on their phones, forget about it you might as well watch paint dry
@@carlanmiller8911 you're glad you didn't have the internet in the 90's 24.4kb/s and a crappy low resolution image used to take ages to load, plus it was expensive and you were charged by the minute
Yeah radio signal internet. You ain’t streaming on that unless you’re in the creek...
@@carlanmiller8911 come to west australia, I'm still on adsl2 with 500kb/s average speed.
Nah, even latency issues aside, most people don't have the bandwidth for true HD, so you're going to be dealing with compression losses somewhere in the chain. That and you're either going to have a situation where users have to worry about availability at peak, or pay far more than they would to own the hardware themselves over time if Shadow wants even a chance of being able to keep up with hardware refresh cycles.
Now if they focused on the enterprise side of things, I could see some advantages to their model for some of my client's workflows
Not necessarily, because a cloud computing solutions is not bound by the same upgrading rules and necessities as an individual. When you have so many CPUs and GPUs put together you don't need that often to upgrade. For instance, let's say there is a new game that requires more hardware performance to run smoothly, you as an individual might require to upgrade your hardware, whereas a data center might simply allocate more cpus and gpus to rendering that game.
The big issue for latency is that it with live streaming games, it delays input. Which if you've ever experienced low FPS vs High FPS and noticed a responsiveness difference, it's the same general thing. Only worse because you're sending those inputs over the internet and every node, DNS, and router between you and the machine doing the streaming causes a bit of slow down.
Drog007 this is true, on GEFORCE NOW, the compression is so bad that when I attempt to cloud game at 2k resolution it displays something way lower than what I set
+Drog007 Maybe be it could be leviated a bit by keeping servers physically close to the users themselves, i.e. at your local ISP, the way content delivery networks do?
the simple solution is Google buying them out ;)
Just rent a car everyday, the days of personal owned cars are numbered
Thats Care by Volvo.
@@sherpafan033 I mean a $500 car is probably going to break
your not wrong, with self-driving cars in the near future, renting a car will probably eventually cost you as much as a cup of coffee. Much cheaper then monthly payments on one. I think companies like tesla will pioneer in this. Mercedes has something similar in the works
how often are these self driving car companies going to clean the interior of these vehicles? You should read the horror stories of taxi drivers and that's with somebody else in car watching making sure nothing goes wrong.
natit llaf pretty sure the cars will have cameras and sensors that inspect these things. Most likely will be serviced every few hours to see they're not in a mess
while i see this being perfect for casual gamers, anything outside of that demographic would have serious issues/concerns. Having their information housed on 2nd party servers which could potentially be vulnerable to hackers to seize it with ease.
All these features can be cut at any time because you dont own the computer and data...I prefer building my own machine.
Can't be stolen, destroyed or burned in your house either
Me too, but this clearly isn't for us.
Technically the same thing can happen to most pc games themselves these days. Eventually we're going to have to figure out what happens when a company like valve gos down and someone has to deal with what's left of everyone's steam library. I don't see this as much different but it's on a smaller scale so if it fails you're just hosed.
It feels like it's for people can't afford high end machines. I'm sure there is a market for it, but any of us who stay on the higher end of gaming machines, likely wouldn't go for it. I think it's interesting, but not something I personally have a use for.
ikr the design and build of your pc kinda adds to the experience so taking that all a way and just having a plastic box instead just ruins the gaming experience
Personal computers were the escape from the mainframe, now we return to the mainframe as "the cloud" with the new terminals.
YES.... and you're JUST scratching the surface on this one.
Ugh, not this shit again.
It is not a replacement for a good pc
These types of things may be alright for a dedicated gaming center, or gaming hotel.
the latency is really bad. Used to play on Onlive
Anything linus endorses is trash. No surprise there. All he cares about is money.
I think this is far more useful for professional workloads, I can't even begin to imagine how nice it'd be to code in a cheapo disposable laptop that can be used for travel, or edit high-resolution videos on the background while leaving the local machine completely free to do whatever it needs to be done
@@Luna-wu4rf yes, I could see it being great for large workloads, but at the same time if you're video editing or anything like that you would need to upload ALL of your RAW footage. And that would take longer for most people than just editing on a cheap gaming pc
@@Luna-wu4rf you can already do that with your own kit and it would be cheaper in the long run
The future is pretty damn close to being here. This tech is pretty impressive. Granted you have a good internet.