I took these out to 1225 last week with great results. Shooting a Savage 10 FCP-k. Once I had my dope I hit 3 for 3 on a two foot wide by 2.5 foot high steel target. The high BC on these really makes a difference. With the 75gr BTHP Match at 1000 yards I needed 26 MOA. With the ELDM I only needed 22 MOA.
Ok... right. So I zero my scope to these badass rounds because they're super accurate. But will they hunt? What's their performance on an animal? Are they just good for paper and steel, or can I shoot that Elk at 1000 yards with this stuff?
Hello Hornady Manufacturing, So I've done research into the ballastics. I love .308 it is my favorite round. Now I know its got a disadvantage compared to the 6.5 creedmoor. Now I know increased weight and length help the BC. But in a 308 you can really only do so much to weight before it gets too long and heavy to get a good velocity to 1000+ meters. In theory if you had less lead reduced weight on say a 168 grain by Idk 8 grains. We now have a 160 grain bullet but add 8 grains of copper to make the bullet longer. Has this been looked into just essentially stretching the bullet? I feel a 147 grain 6.5 creedmoor is a 147 grain 308 just stretched out and in 6.5mm and not 7.62. Just a theory. A fan of long range and of your bullets. I really like the new 168 and 178 ELD M. Used SMK 175 grain before. Don't use the 168 SMK's cause just cant do 1k with them. Haven't tried the 168 TMK's which have upped the BC on those rounds a lot and should hold well to 1k but I have heard they are finicky. A longer version of a 168 would be awesome. The length of a 180-190 grain bullet but at a lighter weight moving faster. I hope some day you guys can maybe look into this if it hasn't been and also ever thought about machining a lightweight aluminum tip that can be as sharp as a needle?
No Hornady, not every other brand of tip bullets are having the same melting tip problem. If you actually did some research the Bronze Point invented by and used to be made by Remington (which is the original bullet that started all this tip-bullet craze) didn't have this problem as its tip was made from metal.
I am confused on the hunting round vs. the match round EDL-X or the EDL-Match Is there a difference in the load or bullet or not? More interested in a reliable hunting round than target at this time. I have a new rifle in the 6.5 PRC.
Michael Kilpatrick ELD-M has lighter copper jacket and doesn’t retain uniform expansion like the ELD-X which is for hunting. ELD-M has higher BC for long range target shoot.
Although it's not really intended for hunting I've had very good performance on whitetail deer with my handloaded 168 grain ELD-M .308s. And they're really accurate too.
Here is a video that explains Heat Shield Tip and BTHP's in detail. Thank you for your question! - ruclips.net/video/KhCBwYIj3Wk/видео.html&list=PLUB6LWvgMNyW2Op98tjFXLkCsF3uIX8yd&index=4
It begs the question why polymer tips ever made it to the market in the first place. If I were them I would have felt embarrassed not to have taken the heat from the air resistance into account way before it showing up on a Doppler radar test.
Yes, talk about focusing on the solution rather than the problem. "Sorry customers but we've been selling you crap bullets for many years" was not part of this video ;-) But nice that it was solved in the end!
I agree, pretty bogus logic. See my comment on how ELD X ammo performed on a mile deer. Bullet failed and came apart, lead core came out of the jacket.
I shot a mule deer buck in the front shoulder at 160 yards with an Hornady ELD X bullet from my 6.5 creedmor. The deer dropped then immediately stood back up. I shot it again, the bullet striking within an inch of the first round. The second shot dropped and killed the animal. Upon skinning the animal I found the first bullet jacket lodged in the hide on the entry side, the lead core was missing. The second bullet was a complete pass through of the shoulder and rib cage on the opposite side. I’m very impressed with the accuracy but disappointed in the bullet failure on the first shot. Zero penetration and the lead core separated. The shot angle was poor, I hate taking a shot through a shoulder but the animal saw me, was flanked by cover and was ready to run. I understand this is a high velocity round designed for long range but hunting ammo needs to perform at shorter and mid range as well. In my opinion any bullet touted for hunting needs to hold together at 160 yards. I don’t think I will try this ammo again in the field.
Amazing how Hornady took the lead and solved the meplat problem. Where the hell was Nosler, Barnes, Sierra? Berger won’t tip their bullets because they are just not as good as Hornady?
+Josh Carter Well I've been running my 308 out to 700 with the 168amax superformance out of a 20" barrel and haven't noticed it. It's a pretty constant load. Maybe with the faster stuff. Be nice if hornady replied.
+Bushy_P +Josh Carter My apologies on the delay guys and thank you for your questions! The "Hornady Heat Shield Tip EXTENDED" video playlist should help answer some of your questions. All videos are informative so I would suggest watching them all. To quickly answer your question jump to the "Heat Shield Tip vs Conventional Bullet Tips" video. Again, I apologize about the delay. Thanks!- ruclips.net/p/PLUB6LWvgMNyW2Op98tjFXLkCsF3uIX8yd
Not excited to work up a new load. If its shoots better than my 162 amax I will be happy. But I have my doubts. We shoot 600/1000 with the 162 and its been very good. Even done some 1 mile work on dead calm days and its flat been a performer. Ive tried Berger and SMK in my custom 7mmSAUM and the 162 amax hands down wins every time.
Blah Blah i shoot 10 mm groups at 100 meters with Hornady 6.5 140gn ELD Match . they are amazing .. Only one Problem .. To Fkn hard to Buy in Australia .. im now going to try Berger
Boooo Hoooo you can Design a Great Product ... Well how about Making them so we can buy them here in Australia ....... 140 gn ELD Match no where to be seen ..........
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I’ve bought it and look forward to using it. Thanks for your hard work in designing a superior product.
i have seen this bullet had a very high balistic coefficient.
It will be perfect for long range shooting
I took these out to 1225 last week with great results. Shooting a Savage 10 FCP-k. Once I had my dope I hit 3 for 3 on a two foot wide by 2.5 foot high steel target. The high BC on these really makes a difference. With the 75gr BTHP Match at 1000 yards I needed 26 MOA. With the ELDM I only needed 22 MOA.
I’ve shot at 1000 with a savage axis.
Hornady is perfect.
Perfect effect.
Ok... right. So I zero my scope to these badass rounds because they're super accurate. But will they hunt? What's their performance on an animal? Are they just good for paper and steel, or can I shoot that Elk at 1000 yards with this stuff?
Hello Hornady Manufacturing,
So I've done research into the ballastics. I love .308 it is my favorite round. Now I know its got a disadvantage compared to the 6.5 creedmoor. Now I know increased weight and length help the BC. But in a 308 you can really only do so much to weight before it gets too long and heavy to get a good velocity to 1000+ meters.
In theory if you had less lead reduced weight on say a 168 grain by Idk 8 grains. We now have a 160 grain bullet but add 8 grains of copper to make the bullet longer. Has this been looked into just essentially stretching the bullet? I feel a 147 grain 6.5 creedmoor is a 147 grain 308 just stretched out and in 6.5mm and not 7.62. Just a theory. A fan of long range and of your bullets. I really like the new 168 and 178 ELD M. Used SMK 175 grain before. Don't use the 168 SMK's cause just cant do 1k with them. Haven't tried the 168 TMK's which have upped the BC on those rounds a lot and should hold well to 1k but I have heard they are finicky.
A longer version of a 168 would be awesome. The length of a 180-190 grain bullet but at a lighter weight moving faster.
I hope some day you guys can maybe look into this if it hasn't been and also ever thought about machining a lightweight aluminum tip that can be as sharp as a needle?
No Hornady, not every other brand of tip bullets are having the same melting tip problem. If you actually did some research the Bronze Point invented by and used to be made by Remington (which is the original bullet that started all this tip-bullet craze) didn't have this problem as its tip was made from metal.
I am confused on the hunting round vs. the match round EDL-X or the EDL-Match Is there a difference in the load or bullet or not? More interested in a reliable hunting round than target at this time. I have a new rifle in the 6.5 PRC.
Michael Kilpatrick ELD-M has lighter copper jacket and doesn’t retain uniform expansion like the ELD-X which is for hunting. ELD-M has higher BC for long range target shoot.
Use the eldm for longer range hunting. Devastating even through bone at long ranges. Check out Nathan Foster videos and his website.
also check out Long Range Hunting group. They rate the ELDM top of the pile . Just realised I'm replying to a 2 yo comment. Oh well.
Although it's not really intended for hunting I've had very good performance on whitetail deer with my handloaded 168 grain ELD-M .308s. And they're really accurate too.
ELD or A-MAX for long distance?
How would a hollow point be affected by heat/velocity? Is there any advantage to the HP?This is in reference to target shooting only.
Here is a video that explains Heat Shield Tip and BTHP's in detail. Thank you for your question!
- ruclips.net/video/KhCBwYIj3Wk/видео.html&list=PLUB6LWvgMNyW2Op98tjFXLkCsF3uIX8yd&index=4
It begs the question why polymer tips ever made it to the market in the first place. If I were them I would have felt embarrassed not to have taken the heat from the air resistance into account way before it showing up on a Doppler radar test.
Yes, talk about focusing on the solution rather than the problem. "Sorry customers but we've been selling you crap bullets for many years" was not part of this video ;-) But nice that it was solved in the end!
I agree, pretty bogus logic. See my comment on how ELD X ammo performed on a mile deer. Bullet failed and came apart, lead core came out of the jacket.
Plastic is cheap. Thats why it made its way into bullets.
Now if only Hornady would make primers, and cut back on large government contracts and focus more on the civilian market.
Does that mean the tip in the SST are affected as well and when will you they have the same heat shield property?
whats the difference between the ELD Match vs ELD-X?
Munky332 the jackets on the Match are thinner and they are made punching paper whereas the ELD-X is made for punching animals.
@@mustangfan3295 - Carpe Sus made a point of saying the match were inconsistent on pigs :)
I shot a mule deer buck in the front shoulder at 160 yards with an Hornady ELD X bullet from my 6.5 creedmor. The deer dropped then immediately stood back up. I shot it again, the bullet striking within an inch of the first round. The second shot dropped and killed the animal. Upon skinning the animal I found the first bullet jacket lodged in the hide on the entry side, the lead core was missing. The second bullet was a complete pass through of the shoulder and rib cage on the opposite side.
I’m very impressed with the accuracy but disappointed in the bullet failure on the first shot. Zero penetration and the lead core separated. The shot angle was poor, I hate taking a shot through a shoulder but the animal saw me, was flanked by cover and was ready to run. I understand this is a high velocity round designed for long range but hunting ammo needs to perform at shorter and mid range as well. In my opinion any bullet touted for hunting needs to hold together at 160 yards. I don’t think I will try this ammo again in the field.
Eld match is not a hunting bullet. It was not designed for hunting.
@@blueduck9409 I was using an ELD X, and it’s designed for hunting. One of the two bullets failed miserably.
6.5mm 123gn ELD-M is very accurate up to 500m
Anyone seen a ballistic gel test of these bullets?
A very very good hunting round from Point-blank too way farther than I am going to shoot at one. I speak from experience
Amazing how Hornady took the lead and solved the meplat problem. Where the hell was Nosler, Barnes, Sierra? Berger won’t tip their bullets because they are just not as good as Hornady?
So dose the amax, sst, and gmx tips melt?
Also at what speeds do they melt? @hornady?
+Bushy_P So you had that, "I've been spending $1.50 a round on a melting bullet?" moment too?
+Josh Carter Well I've been running my 308 out to 700 with the 168amax superformance out of a 20" barrel and haven't noticed it. It's a pretty constant load. Maybe with the faster stuff.
Be nice if hornady replied.
+Bushy_P +Josh Carter My apologies on the delay guys and thank you for your questions! The "Hornady Heat Shield Tip EXTENDED" video playlist should help answer some of your questions. All videos are informative so I would suggest watching them all. To quickly answer your question jump to the "Heat Shield Tip vs Conventional Bullet Tips" video. Again, I apologize about the delay. Thanks!- ruclips.net/p/PLUB6LWvgMNyW2Op98tjFXLkCsF3uIX8yd
Not excited to work up a new load. If its shoots better than my 162 amax I will be happy. But I have my doubts. We shoot 600/1000 with the 162 and its been very good. Even done some 1 mile work on dead calm days and its flat been a performer. Ive tried Berger and SMK in my custom 7mmSAUM and the 162 amax hands down wins every time.
The TAP 168gr ELD is just not consistent with accuracy. 1 MOA at 100 yrds just isn’t as accurate as it should be.
Blah Blah i shoot 10 mm groups at 100 meters with Hornady 6.5 140gn ELD Match . they are amazing .. Only one Problem .. To Fkn hard to Buy in Australia .. im now going to try Berger
Boooo Hoooo you can Design a Great Product ... Well how about Making them so we can buy them here in Australia ....... 140 gn ELD Match no where to be seen ..........
are firearms even legal down there? I thought you guys melted then or cut them all up....
you'd think these guys cured cancer lol
wmeyer116 They care.
stop uploading old vids