Just because whoever this is has a cluing service doesn't make them a guns - ammo and ballistic expert and in fact by this own person's words in the video they have zero idea or experiences with ammunition other than buying commercial ammunition and reading the information on the boxes.
@@lurebenson7722 you actually couldn’t be more wrong if you tried mate. This video is a general commentary video on the 308. Not a detailed ballistic or reloading discussion. Feel free to take your trolling elsewhere.
@@FVR375 What you don't like being call out on your nonsense by an American professional Alaskan hunting guide and custom rifle builder of standard and wildcat cartridges or maybe because you believe you think you know more than I do then tell me how do I build the AR 10s for the 375-300 WSM and all of the WSM cartridges or how do I make the 6mm-284 loaded cartridges for another AR 10 and what powders do I use or how do I make the 8 mm - 378 Wby magnum cartridges and what powders are best for this large powder capacity 8 mm magnum wildcat chambered in my Brevex Mauser ? If you don't like to be called out for talking complete nonsense by people who know about firearms - ammo - reloading and building specialized rifles, then don't go posting videos full of nonsense BS! The problem with BS talking nonsense fools like you is young kids watch these videos then think some lying garbage in videos is the honest truth which it's not.
This is exactly the kind of content I want to see. I’m 308 Winchester user myself and have a great deal of interest in the wide range of applications of this versatile cartridge, from heavy cast lead subsonic too very fast lightweight varmint, and everything in between. Good stuff!
Great breakdown on the 308win Nathan. Thankyou for making the time to present it in a professional manner. Absolutely, there are many "better" cartridges. But the 308win fills the roll of bulk shooting perfectly. Personally, I run 150/168gr ammo as a ground shooter. 130's I've found not as efficient on the often less than ideal angles I encounter on feral pig culls. But from the air or better broadside angles, those pills are devastating. As you mentioned, it's a cartridge with projectile options to adapt for various uses. I've shared the video link on my channel mate as a great source of information. Hope that can help 👌
Just a great review,I have used most types of cartridge over 60 years of shooting and the 308 is still the best all round gun for all the reasons this gentlemen just explained👍
Did a lot of shooting with the 30-06 and totaly agree with what you said about efficiency of the cartridge,selection of projectiles mid way through the range always seem to give best accuracy and consistency. Thanks for the informative upload and the time spent doing it, cheers.
Bloody great video, thank you for posting. 150gr hornady SST handloads are my personal go to, tuned to my setup. Versatile is the word of the day. Happy Easter mate.
@@lurebenson7722 SSTs are neither OTM or 'match hollow points'. You must not be familiar with the SST type. 123g SSTs in 6.5 Grendel are great for American feral pigs ~100kg give or take and to 200m. In .308 they'll often pass through a deer at such ranges. (150g #30302) BTDT Try to get out there more, mate.
I see a comment saying the hornady sst are paper target loads and yet I run the sst 180gr in my 3006 hand loads and have never had a sambar deer get back up after a shot I find with the power rate I’m running they are second to none and some of the shots are beyond 300 yards but I love they way you have broken down the 308 it all makes perfect sense cheers for the info mate
Well presented mate. just last year, I talked my 22 year old nephew out of purchasing a .270 in favour of a .308 because he hunts coastal country in Central Queensland for pigs, which means a 200 meter shot is rare. Most is close. Mate, he hasn't taken a backwood step. I've developed a few loads for him with the 150gr Speer HotCors and the 125gr Speer TNT's and he's on his way. He recons it's an absolute laser pointer. I sent him your content and he is sold, so thanks mate. Honest assessments from honest people are important.
Thank you for your plain and simple advice, as a kid an old soldier from my shooting range would always say ( keep it simple) when it comes to shooting ! Something I remember fondly about him. I live in the country where nobody panics about shooting or carrying a firearm. I spent decades shooting and have a sorted types of bullets in my safe which only used as barrel foulers . For most shooting small or soft game ( fox goats kangaroos) 223 win with Australian adi 55 grn blitz king projectiles will easily stop target instantly out to 500 yards in mild weather I always use lazar rangefinder very reliable! When shooting horses or camels or windy weather 308 win with 168 grn tipped match kings also Australian adi ammo , it is match grade ammo in a 1/10 barrel. Note # sierra match kings are not a hunting bullet # but tipped matchkings are a devastating bullet for hunting , do not use them for eating meat game ! Both rifles have long range scopes calibrated to one bullet load only. 223 out to 600 yds 308 out to 1000 yards . I have a 300 prc it’s mainly just for extended range 1000 + on steel or long range artillery on nervous game you can’t get close. ADI make very accurate ammunition that has never let me down. Have you tried tipped matchking on pig ? Keep the videos coming please . Thanks
Good stuff. I have used a few of the match projectiles over the years but not the match kings specifically ( A-max were always good). Thanks for the comment.
Ex Military myself, I have owned several .308 Rifles also. I love your professionalism and honesty along with vast personal experience that you have amassed over the years. Its a pleasure to view your Video's😎👍
Fantastic presentation, and very insightful regarding the thermal imaging not picking up grass/obstacles etc. As you mentioned, a video on your "favourite" cartridges would be very interesting. Eclectic is always good👍
I've been a huge fan of the 308 my entire life. I've found the inexpensive 150 grain Winchester Power Point will handle most things. If I want a little heavier projo for elk or bear, the flat base, Speer 165 grain soft point gets the job done. I load both over IMR-4064.
Pleasant viewing...good to see the man behind the rifle share his experience... 308 does get poo pooed a bit in light of fancier cartridges shooting higher BC pills Liked your points about good barrel life...and highly effective within most hunting ranges. As fox shooter I like 17rem..204....Didi have 270 shooting 90gn pill at 3600fps..but..sold it as I think the recoil (flinching 😢) was stopping me from shooting well at foxes...was ok at the range. Liked your point about thermal and grass etc and heavier projectile being able to better penetrate light cover... Looking forward to your fav cartridge episode. Thanks
Very informative and interesting video. Thanks Nathan for sharing it. If only 308 was as cheap to buy as 223. It is getting ridiculously expensive now unless you can find it on a good special.
Good info, i used the SLR L1A1 & L2 in the Royal Australian Navy. They were not very accurate & heavy as hell. Jumping forward a few decades i think for a flatter shooter & better BC i would go the 7mm 08 today, especially if you reload your own. I'm guessing for private hunting you use a 300 Win Mag. Keen to see what you use outside of business, Cheers. Edit, Sectional Density is more important than BC as i believe in ethical hunting distances not long range ego shooting. The stalk is mostly what hunting is all about really.
You have to take your hats off to these chopper pilots. Christ they do a bloody good job. The re is obviously a lot of trust by the shooter. Top job all of you pilots.
Great video and content on your channel, how about a video on the details of aerial shooting, things like how you estimate the lead you need when shooting from a moving platform to a moving target, harvesting different spices, perhaps a detailed walk through from start to finish .
Nathan, on point and well explained. I have various different calibres but when it comes to pigs - I always reach for the 308. I can choose any other rifle I have but I have a b14 Bergara with S&B 4-12x50 scope and quick change thermal...150g handloads...mainly Nosler HPBT and never lost an animal. I just am comfortable that it will dispatch an animal efficiently every time. Is it my favourite for all animals here in NZ...nope....but I trust it implicitly. I am looking forward to hearing what your favourite calibre is. Huge kudos to your skill in both efficient dispatch of the target species and also your film work. By far the best on TB...and incredibly accurate shot placement...the best on YT also. Keep'em coming.
Totally concur with most hunting distances (and primary production culling) are within 200m. As primary producers ourselves we are into getting the job done quickly, accurately and humanely. Target, boutique or fashionable new cartridges are completely last on our list, we are not doing this for liesure. Everyday use in real world use does not always see perfect bullet placement, and killing animals is not pleasurable or fun. For all our needs, we use the 308 and your explanation is very concise, clear and honest.
Awesome work mate, keep up the great work. Im loving this video styles looking at different calibres. I like the idea of a 6.5CM as an around cartridge, i guess it doesn't quite have the punch of the 308 in the shorter ranges for the bigger pigs (but is still well in excess of the 1000ftlbs ballpark), and 308 definitely has it over the creedmoor as far as accessibility is concerned, but if I'm not mistaken you can't use sub-30cal cartridges for aerial pest control? Despite all of that, the creedmoor is so nice to shoot!
The 65 is a better designed cartridge overall than the 308. Very practical. Inside typical ranges its hard to pick a significant difference between the two. Once past 300m the 65 is a great choice.
Ron Spoomer wouldn't have a channel if he didn't have 308 to hate on. A few times I've invited him to NZ for a spot if feral goat control, his criedmore v my 308. No answer, just deleted comments.
Hey man! I’m an American that follows a few Australian hunting channels, seems like most other Australian channels only use pump or bolt action rifles, you’re the only Australian channel I’ve seen that uses semi automatic rifles. Is there a preference in Australia for pump/bolt rifles there? Or are there special licenses required for semi autos? I was wondering why so many channels don’t use semi auto rifles especially for scenarios where it would be more beneficial such as camel or hog culling.
Unfortunately it is a licensing issue. Semi autos are category D in Australia and only available to selected businesses and primary producers. Quite a difficult licence to get.
That's some impressive marksmanship from the chopper mate. Have you played with the monolithic copper bullets much? They are rapidly gaining popularity here in the states for deep penetration in lighter projectiles.
Thanks. I have used a few different variations of the copper monos over the years although they don’t see much use on high volume work as the coat per round is high. My experience has shown that they are effective but tend to kill via bleeding rather than shock. Some pretty snappy designs out there now though.
Suggestion with the brass , definitely worth keeping once fired brass , to forward it to someone that reloads or clubs that can use amongst members. You could take for scrap yourself , brass is getting very decent prices . Just need to fit a net catch bag to catch on ejection, bags Available . I just see a lot of dollars spitting out. Caldwell pic rail brass catcher with picatiny mount and heat resistant mesh bag , zip on bottom. Nioa stocks them I'm sure , other brands types also out there . Save the dollars spitting out 💵 you get through a fair amount per job.
Brass catchers are ok on low volume aerial shooting jobs but they are a pain in the backside on high volume work and can make clearing rifles/ fixing stoppages difficult and detract from the main aim of feral animal control. They also catch wind / rotorwash and can detract from accurate shooting. Clients are paying for efficiency and hence I don’t use them often.
Excellent video . Great explanation about the cartridge and projectile weights & abilities of the cartridge. I definitely agree with you on the 308 stopping power compared to the 223. Also the 308s ability to handle shooting through scrub & grasses Infront of the target as happens frequently in the field when compared to lighter cartridges. It certainly seems like every year a new cartridge is invented and released claiming to be superior over so much else. It definitely generates sales worldwide . I do laugh at some of the releases. I did back when short and super short magnums hit the scene. Like moths to a bright light. I think owners of them are struggling to get factory ammunition as not popular hence not stocked. Most of my feral animal control conservation hunting is done using 243 Winchester with factory loads 55gr to 100 gr depending on target species. I do not shoot as fast or volume as you understanding barrel life of the cartridge. Id like to see a shoot from the chopper using the rifle that defended Australia .303 Short Magazine Lee Enfield full wood, open sights 150 or 180 gr soft points to prove old cartridges do the task . 😉
An excellent reminder of the 308's capability and purpose. Its easy to get sucked it the endless hype and marketing of the seemingly endless choice of "better" cartridges being bootlegged, and forget we are pushing a bullet of a selected weight at a speed to get the needed impact energy at a realistic distance. 308 meets 80-90% of shooters needs.
Excellent explanation, big fan of your content sir! Can you please get a better microphone for these? The info is epic, but the audio quality makes it hard to hear. Cheers :)
I'm genuinely curious as to the level of skill required to make these shots from a moving helicopter. You make it seem to effortless and easy. Can someone hired off the street pull this off with a couple months training or is this acquired thru years of practice?
Your remarks on bullet placement are key to any cartridge. A 460 weatherby wont kill if you don't put the bullet in the right place. If you need more power than a 308 another oldie the 3006 might be better. There isn't many game animals in this country that the 308 can't take, if using the right bullet.
hey mate, watched a few of the shorts you published. a question about aerial shooting. how do you go about retrieving the kills? also is it worthwhile lucratively speaking?
Carcasses aren’t recovered. They break down fully in 5-6 days given the heat in Northern Australia and other scavengers such as birds of prey. They have no value from a recovery perspective and it is logistically unworkable given the remote areas where this control is conducted. Financially it is worthwhile but there is not enough of this work out there to conduct only aerial work as a contractor.
I’m a bit disappointed mate. Not one tin of VB in sight, no things, not a hint of a shrimp or Barbie! You sure you’re an Aussi? Outstanding helo shooting. Mate you’re dialled in on that. Fired a few rounds of 7.62 from my SLR. Great round.
There is basically no laws governing what you must use. What you can own, sure, but once you own it you can use whatever it is on whatever you want other than some laws I can think of with Deer and what commonsense should dictate.
Voice didn't come through well on my computer. Low volume and too much room reverb. That said, not the only time I had to use CC to keep up with someone, but IIRC a first with FVR375.
@@FVR375 Nah, thats just it, your mic actuially caught its dynamics, most don't. Just need to use a limiter in your editing side. It was only in the thermal video, rest were fine.
@@donwyoming1936 Then getting the permit to own them must not be all that hard to get. Maybe I need to look into how to reach that kind of guide to sell them my AR 10 uppers in all of the WSM magnums and I hunt with my AR 10 I did in 375WSM a reloader cartridge that is the same as a 375 H&H magnum
@@donwyoming1936Australian licensing is done by State. But generally semi auto rifles are considered Category D. It is a long and administratively heavy process to get a cat D licence with most semis held in customs bond which means you need a state level permit plus an attorney generals permit to buy one. On top of the actual licence.
@@lurebenson7722You have to be conducting an actual business that meets the very narrow requirements including having confirmed pest control clients, a business plan, a registered business and a risk management plan. Then there is the additional requirements once you have got a licence. Also losing that licence is very easy to do. Additionally, the Category D weapons cannot be used recreationally. They are for business use only.
He keeps referring to powder capacity indicating he has no idea of types of powders and the burn rates. For the 308 can use a fast burn rate powder for less powder or a medium burn rate powder that fills case to the case shoulder and both powders you don't want any more than that what the reload data shows for max charge. I have loaded 308 with 165 grain bullets with 42 grains of H335 or these powders of CFE223 + CFE Black a fast burn rate powder that give 1/4-inch room from the case shoulder or load the 308 with 165 grain bullets using 4350 and 6.5 stable that have the same medium burn rate to the case shoulder so all acceptable power rates for a 165-grain bullet keeping with in top 308 pressures. 308 loads using the 165 grain bullets and 42 grains of H335 are overly loud and fast! More great powders for the 308 are the Varget - W748 - BLC 2 all of these leave a good space in the case and don't even reach the shoulder of the case for powder.
I have reloaded 1000s of 308 rounds over the years- the video wasn’t about reloading- would’ve been hours long instead of 30 mins. AR2208 is king over my way and can achieve well over 2900 fps with a 150 gr pill and no pressure issues out of a 22 inch barrel. As it currently stands, I dont reload 308 much as most of the time it is used in semi autos and given the volume its not worth doing.
Yeah and you gave amazing examples using only 165 bullet weight and 42 grains, not exactly breaking the laws of physics are you? He was talking about going over 180 grain which unless you're going subsonic is pretty good advice. Which powder do you use when you want 2800fps out of an AR 308 with a 200grain bullet?
@@brettcleveland6335 I have only shot 220 grain Searra brand of Bullets and just 10 of them from the AR 10 with a 19-inch barrel and I never checked the velocity with the chronograph I own. These bullets came to me from a fishing client of my guide services when another client we all new rode his Harly into a guard rail killing him then his widow gave all of his reloading things away and I got some or it. I don't even shoot over 180 grain bullets in one of two Weatherby 300s I own. Just 2 days ago I got back the Weatherby V-5 from Pac Nor barrels with a new 27 inch SS super match barrel in 1-10 Polygonal rifling back to chambered in 300 Wby mag I will shoot today 175 grain PPU bullets with 91 grains of MagPro for powder that should just reach the 3450 FPS mark. I shoot max bullet weights of 165 that is on the far end of bullet weight for 308. I never would hunt with a 308 and in my family the worst rifle for causing crippled deer and Elk was grandfathers 308 that I now own and did a barreling and chambering to 6mm-284 Win. The AR 10 I own was put together for recitational shooting fun so nothing else. I don't have any reason here in the US to own a suppressor then be listed on Bidens commie ATF and FBI list of class 3 weapons for anytime they want to come to my place to snoop around. I value my 2nd Amendment rights and my privacy from governments communist overreach.
@@brettcleveland6335 Whatever you may think of powder charges for the 308 I've never found a powder yet that is a compressed load so that BS all over the internet or here the powder charge and bullet can reduce powered capacity is false. The powders used for the 308 must be a fast to mid range burn rate to get a decent bullet speeds. If putting a powder into a 308 like LRT or IMR 7828 or MagPro all that will do is make a 308 with a full case of powder to a 30-30 range because these powders are slow burn for large magnums.
I run three .308 rifles for pest control and game hunting for the table. Three very different loads for three different applications. Browning BLR + Aimpoint H2 red dot: Speer 130gr HP Varmint @ 3,000 ft./sec. Extremely deadly for close range pest goats and pigs. There’s a common misconception that the hollow point varmint construction will “blow up” on shoulders and fail to penetrate. Not true! I’ve used this projectile for a long time (~20 years) and never had an animal hit on the shoulder make it more than a couple of yards. It is an emphatic killer. Very destructive and not a good option if you are meat hunting. Tikka T3 + Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accupoint: Speer 165gr BTSP @ 2,560 ft./sec. 18” barrel, DPT Hunter chassis, DPT suppressor, Waters Rifleman alloy 6 shot mag. Used for fallow and red deer pest control and general meat hunting for the table. Has a ~1,500 deer tally since new in 2012. Very reliable performer out to ~400m. Tikka T3 + Zeiss V4 4-16x50: True Flite 1:7” twist, 16” barrel, DPT suppressor, l/a bolt stop, l/a magazine. Used for subsonic stealth deer hunting with a long cast lead HP boolits and LeHigh Controlled Fracture 198gr. Extremely useful in areas holding large animal numbers where excessive muzzle blast causes most animals to exit the valley pronto. Deadly accurate and extremely quiet and effective. Versatility is the .308s greatest strength.
Just found you.
Excellent. Finally a professional shooter that RUclipss, not a professional RUclipsr that shoots.
Thanks for the positive feedback. 👌
Just because whoever this is has a cluing service doesn't make them a guns - ammo and ballistic expert and in fact by this own person's words in the video they have zero idea or experiences with ammunition other than buying commercial ammunition and reading the information on the boxes.
@@lurebenson7722 you actually couldn’t be more wrong if you tried mate. This video is a general commentary video on the 308. Not a detailed ballistic or reloading discussion. Feel free to take your trolling elsewhere.
@@FVR375 What you don't like being call out on your nonsense by an American professional Alaskan hunting guide and custom rifle builder of standard and wildcat cartridges or maybe because you believe you think you know more than I do then tell me how do I build the AR 10s for the 375-300 WSM and all of the WSM cartridges or how do I make the 6mm-284 loaded cartridges for another AR 10 and what powders do I use or how do I make the 8 mm - 378 Wby magnum cartridges and what powders are best for this large powder capacity 8 mm magnum wildcat chambered in my Brevex Mauser ?
If you don't like to be called out for talking complete nonsense by people who know about firearms - ammo - reloading and building specialized rifles, then don't go posting videos full of nonsense BS!
The problem with BS talking nonsense fools like you is young kids watch these videos then think some lying garbage in videos is the honest truth which it's not.
@@FVR375hey, I was curious, as an American, who can get an AR10 in Australia and what is involved in getting one (legally, of course)
This is exactly the kind of content I want to see.
I’m 308 Winchester user myself and have a great deal of interest in the wide range of applications of this versatile cartridge, from heavy cast lead subsonic too very fast lightweight varmint, and everything in between.
Good stuff!
Great breakdown on the 308win Nathan. Thankyou for making the time to present it in a professional manner.
Absolutely, there are many "better" cartridges. But the 308win fills the roll of bulk shooting perfectly.
Personally, I run 150/168gr ammo as a ground shooter. 130's I've found not as efficient on the often less than ideal angles I encounter on feral pig culls. But from the air or better broadside angles, those pills are devastating.
As you mentioned, it's a cartridge with projectile options to adapt for various uses.
I've shared the video link on my channel mate as a great source of information. Hope that can help 👌
Hey Nathan. Thanks for the comment and collab. Will be running a bit more generalist firearms content moving forwards
Just a great review,I have used most types of cartridge over 60 years of shooting and the 308 is still the best all round gun for all the reasons this gentlemen just explained👍
Thanks for the kind words
Did a lot of shooting with the 30-06 and totaly agree with what you said about efficiency of the cartridge,selection of projectiles mid way through the range always seem to give best
accuracy and consistency. Thanks for the informative upload and the time spent doing it, cheers.
Bloody great video, thank you for posting.
150gr hornady SST handloads are my personal go to, tuned to my setup.
Versatile is the word of the day.
Happy Easter mate.
Those are paper target bullets, so I hope you aren't shooting deer with them
@@lurebenson7722 SSTs are neither OTM or 'match hollow points'. You must not be familiar with the SST type. 123g SSTs in 6.5 Grendel are great for American feral pigs ~100kg give or take and to 200m. In .308 they'll often pass through a deer at such ranges. (150g #30302) BTDT Try to get out there more, mate.
Tikka Lite.308 Win owner, I love the caliber. Great gun.
I see a comment saying the hornady sst are paper target loads and yet I run the sst 180gr in my 3006 hand loads and have never had a sambar deer get back up after a shot I find with the power rate I’m running they are second to none and some of the shots are beyond 300 yards but I love they way you have broken down the 308 it all makes perfect sense cheers for the info mate
Well presented mate. just last year, I talked my 22 year old nephew out of purchasing a .270 in favour of a .308 because he hunts coastal country in Central Queensland for pigs, which means a 200 meter shot is rare. Most is close. Mate, he hasn't taken a backwood step.
I've developed a few loads for him with the 150gr Speer HotCors and the 125gr Speer TNT's and he's on his way. He recons it's an absolute laser pointer. I sent him your content and he is sold, so thanks mate. Honest assessments from honest people are important.
Thanks for the feedback. He won’t go wrong with the options you have provided him there 👍👍🐗🐗
Thank you for your plain and simple advice, as a kid an old soldier from my shooting range would always say ( keep it simple) when it comes to shooting ! Something I remember fondly about him. I live in the country where nobody panics about shooting or carrying a firearm. I spent decades shooting and have a sorted types of bullets in my safe which only used as barrel foulers . For most shooting small or soft game ( fox goats kangaroos) 223 win with Australian adi 55 grn blitz king projectiles will easily stop target instantly out to 500 yards in mild weather I always use lazar rangefinder very reliable! When shooting horses or camels or windy weather 308 win with 168 grn tipped match kings also Australian adi ammo , it is match grade ammo in a 1/10 barrel. Note # sierra match kings are not a hunting bullet # but tipped matchkings are a devastating bullet for hunting , do not use them for eating meat game ! Both rifles have long range scopes calibrated to one bullet load only. 223 out to 600 yds 308 out to 1000 yards . I have a 300 prc it’s mainly just for extended range 1000 + on steel or long range artillery on nervous game you can’t get close. ADI make very accurate ammunition that has never let me down. Have you tried tipped matchking on pig ? Keep the videos coming please . Thanks
Good stuff. I have used a few of the match projectiles over the years but not the match kings specifically ( A-max were always good). Thanks for the comment.
Big fan. Your rivers aerial video my favourite go to RUclips. Just relaxing to watch, poetry in motion with 308.
Hey thanks !
Ex Military myself, I have owned several .308 Rifles also. I love your professionalism and honesty along with vast personal experience that you have amassed over the years. Its a pleasure to view your Video's😎👍
Fantastic presentation, and very insightful regarding the thermal imaging not picking up grass/obstacles etc.
As you mentioned, a video on your "favourite" cartridges would be very interesting.
Eclectic is always good👍
Thanks. Will do some content along those lines shortly.
I've been a huge fan of the 308 my entire life. I've found the inexpensive 150 grain Winchester Power Point will handle most things. If I want a little heavier projo for elk or bear, the flat base, Speer 165 grain soft point gets the job done. I load both over IMR-4064.
All very workable combinations!!!
Pleasant viewing...good to see the man behind the rifle share his experience...
308 does get poo pooed a bit in light of fancier cartridges shooting higher BC pills
Liked your points about good barrel life...and highly effective within most hunting ranges.
As fox shooter I like 17rem..204....Didi have 270 shooting 90gn pill at 3600fps..but..sold it as I think the recoil (flinching 😢) was stopping me from shooting well at foxes...was ok at the range.
Liked your point about thermal and grass etc and heavier projectile being able to better penetrate light cover...
Looking forward to your fav cartridge episode.
Thanks
excellent you are great shooter amazing like to watch your videos greetings from the netherlands
Thanks! Greetings!
Very informative and interesting video. Thanks Nathan for sharing it. If only 308 was as cheap to buy as 223. It is getting ridiculously expensive now unless you can find it on a good special.
Thanks. Certainly harder to find suitable ammunition at a good price presently!
Good info, i used the SLR L1A1 & L2 in the Royal Australian Navy. They were not very accurate & heavy as hell. Jumping forward a few decades i think for a flatter shooter & better BC i would go the 7mm 08 today, especially if you reload your own. I'm guessing for private hunting you use a 300 Win Mag. Keen to see what you use outside of business, Cheers. Edit, Sectional Density is more important than BC as i believe in ethical hunting distances not long range ego shooting. The stalk is mostly what hunting is all about really.
Great channel. Couple questions on your .308 AR:
1. What barrel length do you run?
2. What distance do you zero at?
You have to take your hats off to these chopper pilots. Christ they do a bloody good job. The re is obviously a lot of trust by the shooter. Top job all of you pilots.
Thanks mate. Have a good one 👍🇦🇺
Great book your reading there, I hope you have the rest of them ?.
I do indeed.
Great video and content on your channel, how about a video on the details of aerial shooting, things like how you estimate the lead you need when shooting from a moving platform to a moving target, harvesting different spices, perhaps a detailed walk through from start to finish .
Good feedback. Can do that.
It’s definitely the most versatile cartridge.
Nathan, on point and well explained. I have various different calibres but when it comes to pigs - I always reach for the 308. I can choose any other rifle I have but I have a b14 Bergara with S&B 4-12x50 scope and quick change thermal...150g handloads...mainly Nosler HPBT and never lost an animal. I just am comfortable that it will dispatch an animal efficiently every time. Is it my favourite for all animals here in NZ...nope....but I trust it implicitly. I am looking forward to hearing what your favourite calibre is. Huge kudos to your skill in both efficient dispatch of the target species and also your film work. By far the best on TB...and incredibly accurate shot placement...the best on YT also. Keep'em coming.
Thanks for the kind words. Still working through the process of putting up decent quality content and appreciate the feedback.
Totally concur with most hunting distances (and primary production culling) are within 200m. As primary producers ourselves we are into getting the job done quickly, accurately and humanely. Target, boutique or fashionable new cartridges are completely last on our list, we are not doing this for liesure. Everyday use in real world use does not always see perfect bullet placement, and killing animals is not pleasurable or fun. For all our needs, we use the 308 and your explanation is very concise, clear and honest.
100% agree with your assessment on shooting for occupational reasons. And thanks for the kind words.
Awesome video, those hogs are a big problem here in the US. What is your rifle set up in your over head shots from the helicopter?
Awesome work mate, keep up the great work. Im loving this video styles looking at different calibres. I like the idea of a 6.5CM as an around cartridge, i guess it doesn't quite have the punch of the 308 in the shorter ranges for the bigger pigs (but is still well in excess of the 1000ftlbs ballpark), and 308 definitely has it over the creedmoor as far as accessibility is concerned, but if I'm not mistaken you can't use sub-30cal cartridges for aerial pest control? Despite all of that, the creedmoor is so nice to shoot!
The 65 is a better designed cartridge overall than the 308. Very practical.
Inside typical ranges its hard to pick a significant difference between the two. Once past 300m the 65 is a great choice.
Ron Spoomer wouldn't have a channel if he didn't have 308 to hate on.
A few times I've invited him to NZ for a spot if feral goat control, his criedmore v my 308. No answer, just deleted comments.
Appreciate the video👍
Hey man! I’m an American that follows a few Australian hunting channels, seems like most other Australian channels only use pump or bolt action rifles, you’re the only Australian channel I’ve seen that uses semi automatic rifles. Is there a preference in Australia for pump/bolt rifles there? Or are there special licenses required for semi autos? I was wondering why so many channels don’t use semi auto rifles especially for scenarios where it would be more beneficial such as camel or hog culling.
Unfortunately it is a licensing issue. Semi autos are category D in Australia and only available to selected businesses and primary producers. Quite a difficult licence to get.
That's some impressive marksmanship from the chopper mate. Have you played with the monolithic copper bullets much? They are rapidly gaining popularity here in the states for deep penetration in lighter projectiles.
Thanks. I have used a few different variations of the copper monos over the years although they don’t see much use on high volume work as the coat per round is high. My experience has shown that they are effective but tend to kill via bleeding rather than shock. Some pretty snappy designs out there now though.
Suggestion with the brass , definitely worth keeping once fired brass , to forward it to someone that reloads or clubs that can use amongst members. You could take for scrap yourself , brass is getting very decent prices . Just need to fit a net catch bag to catch on ejection, bags Available . I just see a lot of dollars spitting out.
Caldwell pic rail brass catcher with picatiny mount and heat resistant mesh bag , zip on bottom.
Nioa stocks them I'm sure , other brands types also out there .
Save the dollars spitting out 💵 you get through a fair amount per job.
Brass catchers are ok on low volume aerial shooting jobs but they are a pain in the backside on high volume work and can make clearing rifles/ fixing stoppages difficult and detract from the main aim of feral animal control. They also catch wind / rotorwash and can detract from accurate shooting. Clients are paying for efficiency and hence I don’t use them often.
No arguement from me, I totally agree. Regards JB
For anything
🇦🇺😎👍Great video , great footage 🏁
Excellent video . Great explanation about the cartridge and projectile weights & abilities of the cartridge.
I definitely agree with you on the 308 stopping power compared to the 223.
Also the 308s ability to handle shooting through scrub & grasses Infront of the target as happens frequently in the field when compared to lighter cartridges.
It certainly seems like every year a new cartridge is invented and released claiming to be superior over so much else. It definitely generates sales worldwide .
I do laugh at some of the releases. I did back when short and super short magnums hit the scene.
Like moths to a bright light.
I think owners of them are struggling to get factory ammunition as not popular hence not stocked.
Most of my feral animal control conservation hunting is done using 243 Winchester with factory loads 55gr to 100 gr depending on target species.
I do not shoot as fast or volume as you understanding barrel life of the cartridge.
Id like to see a shoot from the chopper using the rifle that defended Australia .303 Short Magazine Lee Enfield full wood, open sights 150 or 180 gr soft points to prove old cartridges do the task . 😉
Interesting info.
I just looked up my standard 300BLK load and it delivers 1070ft/lb at 100m.
What do you use to record your videos?
For the talking. Iphone 15 pro. For the shooting- gopro and the thermal unit (all pulsar).
Great video, but I struggled to hear what you were saying. perhaps a microphone upgrade would solve the problem.
An excellent reminder of the 308's capability and purpose. Its easy to get sucked it the endless hype and marketing of the seemingly endless choice of "better" cartridges being bootlegged, and forget we are pushing a bullet of a selected weight at a speed to get the needed impact energy at a realistic distance. 308 meets 80-90% of shooters needs.
Excellent explanation, big fan of your content sir! Can you please get a better microphone for these? The info is epic, but the audio quality makes it hard to hear. Cheers :)
Certainly. Buying a decent mike this week.
What sight is being used on the chopper shoot?
I'm genuinely curious as to the level of skill required to make these shots from a moving helicopter. You make it seem to effortless and easy. Can someone hired off the street pull this off with a couple months training or is this acquired thru years of practice?
Your remarks on bullet placement are key to any cartridge. A 460 weatherby wont kill if you don't put the bullet in the right place. If you need more power than a 308 another oldie the 3006 might be better. There isn't many game animals in this country that the 308 can't take, if using the right bullet.
hey mate, watched a few of the shorts you published. a question about aerial shooting. how do you go about retrieving the kills? also is it worthwhile lucratively speaking?
Carcasses aren’t recovered. They break down fully in 5-6 days given the heat in Northern Australia and other scavengers such as birds of prey. They have no value from a recovery perspective and it is logistically unworkable given the remote areas where this control is conducted. Financially it is worthwhile but there is not enough of this work out there to conduct only aerial work as a contractor.
Nathan what happens to the hogs after you’ve culled them ????
Their remains are assimilated back into the ecosystem they damaged.
What AR10 is being shot from the chopper? Like what brand?
Wedgetail Industries WT25
Great video
I’m a bit disappointed mate.
Not one tin of VB in sight, no things, not a hint of a shrimp or Barbie! You sure you’re an Aussi?
Outstanding helo shooting. Mate you’re dialled in on that.
Fired a few rounds of 7.62 from my SLR. Great round.
Mostly limited in Australia by laws governing what you must use
There is basically no laws governing what you must use. What you can own, sure, but once you own it you can use whatever it is on whatever you want other than some laws I can think of with Deer and what commonsense should dictate.
great bro 👍🏻👍👍🏻❤
Many better cartridges out there, sadly none that are easier to find in aus both in rifles/ammo availability
Can you hunt crocodiles in Australia?
Not at this point in time
@@FVR375 what if a crocodile snatches a farmers cattle can you dispatch the crocodile.
R.I.P. headphone users.
Got me the first time.
I'm considering crowd funding a lapel mic for this lad 🙉
Voice didn't come through well on my computer. Low volume and too much room reverb. That said, not the only time I had to use CC to keep up with someone, but IIRC a first with FVR375.
@@greatdane3343 Most editing software will have some way to normalise volume.
What rifle are you using?
For the aerial work- a Wedgetail Industries WT25 semi 308. I have a number of different 308s for ground work
Sound level warning @ 01:55 and the rest of your thermal shots, buddy, your audio blew hard.
Yep. Seems to be an issue. Grabbing a new microphone this week.
@@FVR375 Nah, thats just it, your mic actuially caught its dynamics, most don't. Just need to use a limiter in your editing side. It was only in the thermal video, rest were fine.
Great video nathan rgds steve
Yes
And all the spent brass makes .243
Because the free world!
Can we trade jobs?
So the rifle isn't pump action?
There's definitely better cartridges but it still works.
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How about shotgun?
Tiny round, this small 308 is no comparison to the massive deadly 22lr…… anti gun politician somewhere….. 😂
very hard to hear...
super shot successful 👍😎🤌
How can you have that AR 10 in Australia? ?
Cat D Licence as a professional shooter. Only available for business use. 👍
I've noticed a lot of professional hunters in Australia are now packing AR-10s & AR-15s.
@@donwyoming1936 Then getting the permit to own them must not be all that hard to get.
Maybe I need to look into how to reach that kind of guide to sell them my AR 10 uppers in all of the WSM magnums and I hunt with my AR 10 I did in 375WSM a reloader cartridge that is the same as a 375 H&H magnum
@@donwyoming1936Australian licensing is done by State. But generally semi auto rifles are considered Category D. It is a long and administratively heavy process to get a cat D licence with most semis held in customs bond which means you need a state level permit plus an attorney generals permit to buy one. On top of the actual licence.
@@lurebenson7722You have to be conducting an actual business that meets the very narrow requirements including having confirmed pest control clients, a business plan, a registered business and a risk management plan. Then there is the additional requirements once you have got a licence.
Also losing that licence is very easy to do.
Additionally, the Category D weapons cannot be used recreationally. They are for business use only.
He keeps referring to powder capacity indicating he has no idea of types of powders and the burn rates.
For the 308 can use a fast burn rate powder for less powder or a medium burn rate powder that fills case to the case shoulder and both powders you don't want any more than that what the reload data shows for max charge.
I have loaded 308 with 165 grain bullets with 42 grains of H335 or these powders of CFE223 + CFE Black a fast burn rate powder that give 1/4-inch room from the case shoulder or load the 308 with 165 grain bullets using 4350 and 6.5 stable that have the same medium burn rate to the case shoulder so all acceptable power rates for a 165-grain bullet keeping with in top 308 pressures.
308 loads using the 165 grain bullets and 42 grains of H335 are overly loud and fast!
More great powders for the 308 are the Varget - W748 - BLC 2 all of these leave a good space in the case and don't even reach the shoulder of the case for powder.
I have reloaded 1000s of 308 rounds over the years- the video wasn’t about reloading- would’ve been hours long instead of 30 mins. AR2208 is king over my way and can achieve well over 2900 fps with a 150 gr pill and no pressure issues out of a 22 inch barrel. As it currently stands, I dont reload 308 much as most of the time it is used in semi autos and given the volume its not worth doing.
Yeah and you gave amazing examples using only 165 bullet weight and 42 grains, not exactly breaking the laws of physics are you? He was talking about going over 180 grain which unless you're going subsonic is pretty good advice. Which powder do you use when you want 2800fps out of an AR 308 with a 200grain bullet?
@@brettcleveland6335 I have only shot 220 grain Searra brand of Bullets and just 10 of them from the AR 10 with a 19-inch barrel and I never checked the velocity with the chronograph I own.
These bullets came to me from a fishing client of my guide services when another client we all new rode his Harly into a guard rail killing him then his widow gave all of his reloading things away and I got some or it.
I don't even shoot over 180 grain bullets in one of two Weatherby 300s I own.
Just 2 days ago I got back the Weatherby V-5 from Pac Nor barrels with a new 27 inch SS super match barrel in 1-10 Polygonal rifling back to chambered in 300 Wby mag I will shoot today 175 grain PPU bullets with 91 grains of MagPro for powder that should just reach the 3450 FPS mark.
I shoot max bullet weights of 165 that is on the far end of bullet weight for 308.
I never would hunt with a 308 and in my family the worst rifle for causing crippled deer and Elk was grandfathers 308 that I now own and did a barreling and chambering to 6mm-284 Win.
The AR 10 I own was put together for recitational shooting fun so nothing else.
I don't have any reason here in the US to own a suppressor then be listed on Bidens commie ATF and FBI list of class 3 weapons for anytime they want to come to my place to snoop around.
I value my 2nd Amendment rights and my privacy from governments communist overreach.
@@brettcleveland6335 Whatever you may think of powder charges for the 308 I've never found a powder yet that is a compressed load so that BS all over the internet or here the powder charge and bullet can reduce powered capacity is false.
The powders used for the 308 must be a fast to mid range burn rate to get a decent bullet speeds.
If putting a powder into a 308 like LRT or IMR 7828 or MagPro all that will do is make a 308 with a full case of powder to a 30-30 range because these powders are slow burn for large magnums.
I run three .308 rifles for pest control and game hunting for the table. Three very different loads for three different applications.
Browning BLR + Aimpoint H2 red dot: Speer 130gr HP Varmint @ 3,000 ft./sec. Extremely deadly for close range pest goats and pigs. There’s a common misconception that the hollow point varmint construction will “blow up” on shoulders and fail to penetrate. Not true! I’ve used this projectile for a long time (~20 years) and never had an animal hit on the shoulder make it more than a couple of yards. It is an emphatic killer. Very destructive and not a good option if you are meat hunting.
Tikka T3 + Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accupoint: Speer 165gr BTSP @ 2,560 ft./sec. 18” barrel, DPT Hunter chassis, DPT suppressor, Waters Rifleman alloy 6 shot mag. Used for fallow and red deer pest control and general meat hunting for the table. Has a ~1,500 deer tally since new in 2012. Very reliable performer out to ~400m.
Tikka T3 + Zeiss V4 4-16x50: True Flite 1:7” twist, 16” barrel, DPT suppressor, l/a bolt stop, l/a magazine. Used for subsonic stealth deer hunting with a long cast lead HP boolits and LeHigh Controlled Fracture 198gr. Extremely useful in areas holding large animal numbers where excessive muzzle blast causes most animals to exit the valley pronto. Deadly accurate and extremely quiet and effective.
Versatility is the .308s greatest strength.
I’ve found the 130 Speer or 125 tnt drops all fallow on the spot. 48 gn 2206 H